Venky’s hire PR firm to improve image (From Lancashire Telegraph)

A Darener wrote:
"Paul Agnew a PR genius! How would anybody know? his PR efforts have been non existent since he came to the Rovers.

nil bye mouth wrote:
HA HA HA Clueless classless club .A TOTAL LAUGHING STOCK.

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

hasslem hasslem wrote:
Experts in crisis management? Worked on the Muamba case - fair enough, but the stuff about Muamba - was effectively managing a good news story (once he was over the worst). Most of the early stuff surrounded Owen Coyle standing outside the hospital every day giving updates on Muamba's condition.....nobody with any sense or heart wanted anything bad to happen to Fabrice (apart from the obvious trolls and meatheads) Rovers' case is much more complicated and is exacerbated by the fact that outside of a small part of NE Lancs - nobody really gives a toss and are, quite rightly, laughing at us, the club and particularly venkys.....the only sympathy comes from those who realise it could quite easily be them next. all any PR company in this instance (and i write with experience of the medium) can do is, at best, paper over the cracks.- it is not crisis management at rovers, it is damage limitation. are you seriously telling me that the adams family would listen to any advice from a london PR when making (or not making decisions)? why would the Sports PR Company have any more sway than any of the other pretenders that pollute our beloved club? what is needed is not PR - but a radical overhaul of all the key execs who prove that lunatics can not run an asylum, coupled with a much more decisive and strategic decision making process. clearly tweedle dee and dum are replicating the chaos they engendered at PNE and layered on top of that you have the cherry on the cake (or at least the red nose) that is charlie careloli (IS HE STILL WITH US? NOBODY KNOWS) - perhaps that is the first question our expert PR can deal with as others have already mentioned - isn't agnew meant to incorporate PR as his business (in)competencies? WTF has he been doing for the last 26 months then? if the loons in pune feel the need to recruit a PR - then surely it calls into question agnew's role and represents an opportunity to sack him (WITH NO COMPO) for breach of contract and try to let him sue us. realistically what rovers needs right now - is a couple of experienced pragmatic people with a knowledge of how the football game works to come in to the club - do a "drains up" exercise of all things smelly, be empowered to make critical decisions, bang loads of heads together and start to get a grip in making this club a well organised and proud club once more....say someone like tom finn and john williams...just a thought.

hasslem hasslem wrote:
Experts in crisis management?

Worked on the Muamba case - fair enough, but the stuff about Muamba - was effectively managing a good news story (once he was over the worst). Most of the early stuff surrounded Owen Coyle standing outside the hospital every day giving updates on Muamba's condition.....nobody with any sense or heart wanted anything bad to happen to Fabrice (apart from the obvious trolls and meatheads)

Rovers' case is much more complicated and is exacerbated by the fact that outside of a small part of NE Lancs - nobody really gives a toss and are, quite rightly, laughing at us, the club and particularly venkys.....the only sympathy comes from those who realise it could quite easily be them next.

all any PR company in this instance (and i write with experience of the medium) can do is, at best, paper over the cracks.- it is not crisis management at rovers, it is damage limitation.

are you seriously telling me that the adams family would listen to any advice from a london PR when making (or not making decisions)? why would the Sports PR Company have any more sway than any of the other pretenders that pollute our beloved club?

what is needed is not PR - but a radical overhaul of all the key execs who prove that lunatics can not run an asylum, coupled with a much more decisive and strategic decision making process. clearly tweedle dee and dum are replicating the chaos they engendered at PNE and layered on top of that you have the cherry on the cake (or at least the red nose) that is charlie careloli (IS HE STILL WITH US? NOBODY KNOWS) - perhaps that is the first question our expert PR can deal with

as others have already mentioned - isn't agnew meant to incorporate PR as his business (in)competencies? WTF has he been doing for the last 26 months then? if the loons in pune feel the need to recruit a PR - then surely it calls into question agnew's role and represents an opportunity to sack him (WITH NO COMPO) for breach of contract and try to let him sue us.

realistically what rovers needs right now - is a couple of experienced pragmatic people with a knowledge of how the football game works to come in to the club - do a "drains up" exercise of all things smelly, be empowered to make critical decisions, bang loads of heads together and start to get a grip in making this club a well organised and proud club once more....say someone like tom finn and john williams...just a thought.

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

hasslem hasslem wrote:
Experts in crisis management?

Worked on the Muamba case - fair enough, but the stuff about Muamba - was effectively managing a good news story (once he was over the worst). Most of the early stuff surrounded Owen Coyle standing outside the hospital every day giving updates on Muamba's condition.....nobody with any sense or heart wanted anything bad to happen to Fabrice (apart from the obvious trolls and meatheads)

Rovers' case is much more complicated and is exacerbated by the fact that outside of a small part of NE Lancs - nobody really gives a toss and are, quite rightly, laughing at us, the club and particularly venkys.....the only sympathy comes from those who realise it could quite easily be them next.

all any PR company in this instance (and i write with experience of the medium) can do is, at best, paper over the cracks.- it is not crisis management at rovers, it is damage limitation.

are you seriously telling me that the adams family would listen to any advice from a london PR when making (or not making decisions)? why would the Sports PR Company have any more sway than any of the other pretenders that pollute our beloved club?

what is needed is not PR - but a radical overhaul of all the key execs who prove that lunatics can not run an asylum, coupled with a much more decisive and strategic decision making process. clearly tweedle dee and dum are replicating the chaos they engendered at PNE and layered on top of that you have the cherry on the cake (or at least the red nose) that is charlie careloli (IS HE STILL WITH US? NOBODY KNOWS) - perhaps that is the first question our expert PR can deal with

as others have already mentioned - isn't agnew meant to incorporate PR as his business (in)competencies? WTF has he been doing for the last 26 months then? if the loons in pune feel the need to recruit a PR - then surely it calls into question agnew's role and represents an opportunity to sack him (WITH NO COMPO) for breach of contract and try to let him sue us.

realistically what rovers needs right now - is a couple of experienced pragmatic people with a knowledge of how the football game works to come in to the club - do a "drains up" exercise of all things smelly, be empowered to make critical decisions, bang loads of heads together and start to get a grip in making this club a well organised and proud club once more....say someone like tom finn and john williams...just a thought.

dangerous dave wrote:
The best publicity for the Venkys is to 'sack' Shaw Agnew Singh and Hendry then we might see the club going forward with some real professionals put in their place - this lot have with the Venkys support dragged the club to lower depths than ever before out with the lot of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

French Rover wrote:

hasslem hasslem wrote: Experts in crisis management? Worked on the Muamba case - fair enough, but the stuff about Muamba - was effectively managing a good news story (once he was over the worst). Most of the early stuff surrounded Owen Coyle standing outside the hospital every day giving updates on Muamba's condition.....nobody with any sense or heart wanted anything bad to happen to Fabrice (apart from the obvious trolls and meatheads) Rovers' case is much more complicated and is exacerbated by the fact that outside of a small part of NE Lancs - nobody really gives a toss and are, quite rightly, laughing at us, the club and particularly venkys.....the only sympathy comes from those who realise it could quite easily be them next. all any PR company in this instance (and i write with experience of the medium) can do is, at best, paper over the cracks.- it is not crisis management at rovers, it is damage limitation. are you seriously telling me that the adams family would listen to any advice from a london PR when making (or not making decisions)? why would the Sports PR Company have any more sway than any of the other pretenders that pollute our beloved club? what is needed is not PR - but a radical overhaul of all the key execs who prove that lunatics can not run an asylum, coupled with a much more decisive and strategic decision making process. clearly tweedle dee and dum are replicating the chaos they engendered at PNE and layered on top of that you have the cherry on the cake (or at least the red nose) that is charlie careloli (IS HE STILL WITH US? NOBODY KNOWS) - perhaps that is the first question our expert PR can deal with as others have already mentioned - isn't agnew meant to incorporate PR as his business (in)competencies? WTF has he been doing for the last 26 months then? if the loons in pune feel the need to recruit a PR - then surely it calls into question agnew's role and represents an opportunity to sack him (WITH NO COMPO) for breach of contract and try to let him sue us. realistically what rovers needs right now - is a couple of experienced pragmatic people with a knowledge of how the football game works to come in to the club - do a "drains up" exercise of all things smelly, be empowered to make critical decisions, bang loads of heads together and start to get a grip in making this club a well organised and proud club once more....say someone like tom finn and john williams...just a thought.

You were going great guns with that post Hass agreed with everything until you mentioned Williams and Finn....past glories and all that and you know as well as anyone that we have long moved on from then...and them....I suppose you would bring BFS back too...? If only to please Bazzer? :-)

Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
Can I please ask contributors to this site to please refrain from describing people by their intitials? I don't know where this trend has come from but it is most annoying. I sit here thinking who the hell is 'ab', 'de', 'fg' instead of concentrating on what has been contributed. Most annoying fellas. Stop it.

Hampshire Rover wrote:
My horse has bolted but don't worry I've closed the stable door now!

dangerous dave wrote:
The best publicity for the Venkys is to 'sack' Shaw Agnew Singh and Hendry then we might see the club going forward with some real professionals put in their place - this lot have with the Venkys support dragged the club to lower depths than ever before out with the lot of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!

Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
Can I please ask contributors to this site to please refrain from describing people by their intitials? I don't know where this trend has come from but it is most annoying. I sit here thinking who the hell is 'ab', 'de', 'fg' instead of concentrating on what has been contributed. Most annoying fellas. Stop it.

Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
Can I please ask contributors to this site to please refrain from describing people by their intitials? I don't know where this trend has come from but it is most annoying. I sit here thinking who the hell is 'ab', 'de', 'fg' instead of concentrating on what has been contributed. Most annoying fellas. Stop it.

dangerous dave wrote:
The best publicity for the Venkys is to 'sack' Shaw Agnew Singh and Hendry then we might see the club going forward with some real professionals put in their place - this lot have with the Venkys support dragged the club to lower depths than ever before out with the lot of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!

keithnewton2 wrote:
Gross mis-management is the problem - its got nothing to do with PR spin!!!!

Simple solution

1. Replace the three stooges with an experienced chief executive with the authority to get things done and make decisions.
2. Get a proper business plan in place with a three year outlook so investment decisions can be made.
3. Agree the plan with Venkys and let a new professional united board (including independent business people and two fans) get on with running the club, reporting back to Venkys quarterly.
3. Recruit a suitably experienced manager with a track record of promotion and who knows how to work with limited resources and to get the best out of players. Not Appleton....
4. Give him a hard working enthusiastic and stable back room staff.
5. Do a proper review of the team and ensure there are quality players (they dont need to Phil Jones standard) who are motivated, play for each other and know whats expected of them.

It can't be that difficult can it??????

keithnewton2 wrote:
Gross mis-management is the problem - its got nothing to do with PR spin!!!!

Simple solution

1. Replace the three stooges with an experienced chief executive with the authority to get things done and make decisions.
2. Get a proper business plan in place with a three year outlook so investment decisions can be made.
3. Agree the plan with Venkys and let a new professional united board (including independent business people and two fans) get on with running the club, reporting back to Venkys quarterly.
3. Recruit a suitably experienced manager with a track record of promotion and who knows how to work with limited resources and to get the best out of players. Not Appleton....
4. Give him a hard working enthusiastic and stable back room staff.
5. Do a proper review of the team and ensure there are quality players (they dont need to Phil Jones standard) who are motivated, play for each other and know whats expected of them.

It can't be that difficult can it??????

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !

Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot

hasslem hasslem wrote:
frenchie - in fairness i said "someone like" i know there is a not a snowflake's (topical reference for me as there is 6" outside my kitchen door as i type) chance in hades that willams or finn would come back under the current regime - they would not and the venkys would not...so that is a dead duck.

there are other experienced football administrators around who are competent and not afraid to make the correct decisions - it doesn't have to be W&F.

I have had a limited experience of the preston 2 in a previous life when myself and two other directors of the company i worked for were approached to work with PNE on a couple of projects - and found them unprepared for the meetings and (let's be polite) disappointing in their contribution in the discussions. needless to say we turned down the opportunity.

and mr/mrs 8 ball - sure enough there was debt in the club - but that debt was managed and unlike other prem lower league clubs stable (cf fulham, weztam, wigan, bolton, dirties, pompey, leicester, villa, boro wolves and even the likes of everton and liverpool) throughout the 2000-12 period that we were in premiership

regrettably the debt was serviced by the selling off of our jewels but the club traded on this and was able to keep our gearing under control. the key issue was our tunrover/wages percentage which because of the size of the club was too high.....compare this to the turnover/wages ratio now and the way the debt level is and will be spiralling. W&F were even able to manage compo for the management who exited the club (ex Ince) with Souness and Hughes netting good revenue - heaven's to betsy Hughes even managed to play the game by purchasing RSC for an inflated fee to Citeh.....compare that to :
compo for Allardyce, stupid contract and compo for Kean, one assumes the same for F&W (plus other execs), Black, Mimms etc, Berg and a bit to Blackpool for Appleton.

crisis manage that if you can - The Sports PR Company if you can.

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

French Rover wrote:

hasslem hasslem wrote:
frenchie - in fairness i said "someone like" i know there is a not a snowflake's (topical reference for me as there is 6" outside my kitchen door as i type) chance in hades that willams or finn would come back under the current regime - they would not and the venkys would not...so that is a dead duck.

there are other experienced football administrators around who are competent and not afraid to make the correct decisions - it doesn't have to be W&F.

I have had a limited experience of the preston 2 in a previous life when myself and two other directors of the company i worked for were approached to work with PNE on a couple of projects - and found them unprepared for the meetings and (let's be polite) disappointing in their contribution in the discussions. needless to say we turned down the opportunity.

and mr/mrs 8 ball - sure enough there was debt in the club - but that debt was managed and unlike other prem lower league clubs stable (cf fulham, weztam, wigan, bolton, dirties, pompey, leicester, villa, boro wolves and even the likes of everton and liverpool) throughout the 2000-12 period that we were in premiership

regrettably the debt was serviced by the selling off of our jewels but the club traded on this and was able to keep our gearing under control. the key issue was our tunrover/wages percentage which because of the size of the club was too high.....compare this to the turnover/wages ratio now and the way the debt level is and will be spiralling. W&F were even able to manage compo for the management who exited the club (ex Ince) with Souness and Hughes netting good revenue - heaven's to betsy Hughes even managed to play the game by purchasing RSC for an inflated fee to Citeh.....compare that to :
compo for Allardyce, stupid contract and compo for Kean, one assumes the same for F&W (plus other execs), Black, Mimms etc, Berg and a bit to Blackpool for Appleton.

crisis manage that if you can - The Sports PR Company if you can.

Lots of good examples HH and fair comments sir...but instead of bringing in the PR, they should have gone for the top gun and employed me (FR).....I would really have put a positive slant on everything, been doing it for years now! Blue and White goggles come as standard equipment.

George.White.Bread wrote:

French Rover wrote:

hasslem hasslem wrote:
frenchie - in fairness i said "someone like" i know there is a not a snowflake's (topical reference for me as there is 6" outside my kitchen door as i type) chance in hades that willams or finn would come back under the current regime - they would not and the venkys would not...so that is a dead duck.

there are other experienced football administrators around who are competent and not afraid to make the correct decisions - it doesn't have to be W&F.

I have had a limited experience of the preston 2 in a previous life when myself and two other directors of the company i worked for were approached to work with PNE on a couple of projects - and found them unprepared for the meetings and (let's be polite) disappointing in their contribution in the discussions. needless to say we turned down the opportunity.

and mr/mrs 8 ball - sure enough there was debt in the club - but that debt was managed and unlike other prem lower league clubs stable (cf fulham, weztam, wigan, bolton, dirties, pompey, leicester, villa, boro wolves and even the likes of everton and liverpool) throughout the 2000-12 period that we were in premiership

regrettably the debt was serviced by the selling off of our jewels but the club traded on this and was able to keep our gearing under control. the key issue was our tunrover/wages percentage which because of the size of the club was too high.....compare this to the turnover/wages ratio now and the way the debt level is and will be spiralling. W&F were even able to manage compo for the management who exited the club (ex Ince) with Souness and Hughes netting good revenue - heaven's to betsy Hughes even managed to play the game by purchasing RSC for an inflated fee to Citeh.....compare that to :
compo for Allardyce, stupid contract and compo for Kean, one assumes the same for F&W (plus other execs), Black, Mimms etc, Berg and a bit to Blackpool for Appleton.

crisis manage that if you can - The Sports PR Company if you can.

Lots of good examples HH and fair comments sir...but instead of bringing in the PR, they should have gone for the top gun and employed me (FR).....I would really have put a positive slant on everything, been doing it for years now! Blue and White goggles come as standard equipment.

Top gun or top bum ?

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

keithnewton2 wrote: Gross mis-management is the problem - its got nothing to do with PR spin!!!! Simple solution 1. Replace the three stooges with an experienced chief executive with the authority to get things done and make decisions. 2. Get a proper business plan in place with a three year outlook so investment decisions can be made. 3. Agree the plan with Venkys and let a new professional united board (including independent business people and two fans) get on with running the club, reporting back to Venkys quarterly. 3. Recruit a suitably experienced manager with a track record of promotion and who knows how to work with limited resources and to get the best out of players. Not Appleton.... 4. Give him a hard working enthusiastic and stable back room staff. 5. Do a proper review of the team and ensure there are quality players (they dont need to Phil Jones standard) who are motivated, play for each other and know whats expected of them. It can't be that difficult can it??????

BRAG, is that you? I think that welders should stick to welding and sniffing heavy metal fumes, not pretending they are Alan Sugar. If you want to own Rovers, just get yer money out and stop expecting someone to give it you for free. BRAG lost all credibility with their stupid statement about stepping up action having forgotten to return after the last boycott. What next, we don't like the new away top, everyone out, we don't want meat pies, everyone out.

George.White.Bread wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !

Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot

Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right.

burnleyglentoran wrote:
QUESTION - Where did Burnley's parachute money go?

ANSWER - Shebby Singhs salary you know.

Money well spent you know!

SINGH AND WE'RE GRINNING

hasslem hasslem wrote:
my one and only comment about "george whitebread"

once again this site is polluted with knuckle dragging hill monkeys - the most contributions, so far, today come from a yorkie that calls itself "george whitebread",

we know it doesn't go to games and prefers to stay on rovers sites, whilst the team it pretends to support is playing - it takes its name from an obnoxious yorkshire stereotype comedy character and visits other LT stories pretending to be that other stereotypical obnoxious yorkie - keith lemon.

not an original thought in its head the person is highly likely to be very lonely and apart from the samaritans - rovers supporters are probably the only other social group it interacts with each day.

maybe we can arrange for it to be club mascot for the charlton game as it obviously loves all things rovers.

i have many friends who are dingles and none of them are anything like this educationally sub-normal phyto-plankton. in evolutionary terms it is at the stage where the first amino acids were formed. most burnley fans seem pretty reasonable to me but sh.itehead doesn't seem to understand banter or perhaps it doesn't even know what rivalry is as it probably has no interest in the club it pretends to support.

why such idiots come on here is totally beyond me. i guess individuals like them show the true power of the internet and demonstrates the old adage about giving a team of monkeys a keyboard and they will eventually come up with the complete works of Shakespeare.

bburnrover wrote:
What happened to Appleton's press conference?

leitchy wrote:
If we do not go up this season Venkys are off....FACT !!
The financial implications on us not getting promoted are catastrophic!!

The lateest stunt in to try and improve the image so they might be able to sell quicker...THATS ALL !!

A Darener wrote:
"Paul Agnew a PR genius! How would anybody know? his PR efforts have been non existent since he came to the Rovers.

bluenick wrote:

A Darener wrote: "Paul Agnew a PR genius! How would anybody know? his PR efforts have been non existent since he came to the Rovers.

Save on the wage bill! Get rid of Agnew. That would be one of the stooges gone!!

RobbyRover wrote:
I'll help you Venky's; Sack Agnew, Shaw and Singh Crawl on your hands and knees to John Williams and ask him to come back and run the club. Tom Finn and Martin Goodman would also help. Apologise to the fans. You can have that for free!

Harwoodstblue wrote:

leitchy wrote: If we do not go up this season Venkys are off....FACT !! The financial implications on us not getting promoted are catastrophic!! The lateest stunt in to try and improve the image so they might be able to sell quicker...THATS ALL !!

How could they expect to get promoted if they are not prepared to put money in for better players, having sold all our top pros ?

lusorover wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

Quite so. Reality needs to kick in. Not pleasant but that's the way it is.

RoversSwiss wrote:
Hiring a PR firm sends all the wrong messages, it says that Venkys are more concerned about image than they are about taking the club forward. If Agnew can't handle the club's PR then he is surplus to requirements, he should leave along with Shebby. Shebby has contributed nothing but more bad decisions, he would make an excellent member of BRAG.

Before Venkys we were in desperate financial trouble, John Williams had a huge overdraft to handle we couldn't afford, the Walker Family had no interest whatsoever in the club, still don't. We don't generate enough income from attendances to run a big club, we never have. Thanks to people like John Williams and some good management we have punched above our weight for many years. Problem was that it couldn't last forever, we needed a Venkys to survive. Somehow the relationship between the owners and the club/fans has to improve if we are to survive.

Calls for Venkys to sell are ludicrous beyond belief, who on earth would buy the club with our current reputation. Said it many times before, if Venkys leave, BRFC is finished, there wouldn't be enough money to honour present liabilities.

Running a football club is not rocket science, but it depends totally on having a good manager. Success on the pitch would solve everything, here's hoping Appleton can bring about a miracle.

George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !

Oakdale blue wrote:

RobbyRover wrote:
I'll help you Venky's; Sack Agnew, Shaw and Singh Crawl on your hands and knees to John Williams and ask him to come back and run the club. Tom Finn and Martin Goodman would also help. Apologise to the fans. You can have that for free!

Oh dear...change the record

mark anthony wrote:
ive had a haircut to improve my image

Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
I would imagine that this new Public Relations outfit will read this site to get the fans view. So, will you please tell the woman in Pune she should read this site, daily, to understand what her 'customers' think about her and her operation thus far!, ...

Blackburn fans love horses wrote:

George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !

Nope, but you can roll the turd in glitter - which is what Venkys are trying to do with the Turd that is now Blackburn Rovers.

Must be a Burnley PR firm - loads of positive press about Venkys at the right end of the M65.

mark anthony wrote:
ive had a haircut to improve my image

hasslem hasslem wrote:
my one and only comment about "george whitebread"

once again this site is polluted with knuckle dragging hill monkeys - the most contributions, so far, today come from a yorkie that calls itself "george whitebread",

we know it doesn't go to games and prefers to stay on rovers sites, whilst the team it pretends to support is playing - it takes its name from an obnoxious yorkshire stereotype comedy character and visits other LT stories pretending to be that other stereotypical obnoxious yorkie - keith lemon.

not an original thought in its head the person is highly likely to be very lonely and apart from the samaritans - rovers supporters are probably the only other social group it interacts with each day.

maybe we can arrange for it to be club mascot for the charlton game as it obviously loves all things rovers.

i have many friends who are dingles and none of them are anything like this educationally sub-normal phyto-plankton. in evolutionary terms it is at the stage where the first amino acids were formed. most burnley fans seem pretty reasonable to me but sh.itehead doesn't seem to understand banter or perhaps it doesn't even know what rivalry is as it probably has no interest in the club it pretends to support.

why such idiots come on here is totally beyond me. i guess individuals like them show the true power of the internet and demonstrates the old adage about giving a team of monkeys a keyboard and they will eventually come up with the complete works of Shakespeare.

steveblue4you wrote:

RoversSwiss wrote:
Hiring a PR firm sends all the wrong messages, it says that Venkys are more concerned about image than they are about taking the club forward. If Agnew can't handle the club's PR then he is surplus to requirements, he should leave along with Shebby. Shebby has contributed nothing but more bad decisions, he would make an excellent member of BRAG.

Before Venkys we were in desperate financial trouble, John Williams had a huge overdraft to handle we couldn't afford, the Walker Family had no interest whatsoever in the club, still don't. We don't generate enough income from attendances to run a big club, we never have. Thanks to people like John Williams and some good management we have punched above our weight for many years. Problem was that it couldn't last forever, we needed a Venkys to survive. Somehow the relationship between the owners and the club/fans has to improve if we are to survive.

Calls for Venkys to sell are ludicrous beyond belief, who on earth would buy the club with our current reputation. Said it many times before, if Venkys leave, BRFC is finished, there wouldn't be enough money to honour present liabilities.

Running a football club is not rocket science, but it depends totally on having a good manager. Success on the pitch would solve everything, here's hoping Appleton can bring about a miracle.

In agreement with most of that, has nobody noticed that in the last week other championship side r doing what venkys have done......... reducing number of players, only giving short term deals, offloading players that r on high wages or r 2 old 2 b worth anything. What lets venkys down is that they sacked a manager who would have kept us in the prem , the reasons 4 this was that the football was horrid,he was on 2 much money, had a soft spot for expensive over aged player and wanted a big squad....all the things that venkys want 2 change, and on sacking him they have appointed a caretaker who had one good result (liverpool), allowed him to continue when we lost vital games and it was becoming clear we were going down, appointed ex player with no knowledge of championship football and have now gone for another who lacks experience at this level.
the appointment of a PR company is a joke as venkys have never communicated with the fans and have never outlined what their long term plans for the football club r....... too much stuff going on inside the club with no one too explain why 2 the paying public ..... ie: Nelsen is not fit.... sell him 2 spurs and he plays right away..... Roberts and Salgardo the same..... when its all about age and money .... at least the manager of Bolton has had the guts to let the fans know this ....Petrov.
Message 2 Venkys......... Talk 2 the fans....get rid of the 3 non-communicators .... Singh, Shaw & Agnew and if u r not afraid of people knowing your plans then communicate them.... All we want is honesty

LittleRonnieHildersl
ey wrote:

Blackburn fans love horses wrote:

George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !

Nope, but you can roll the turd in glitter - which is what Venkys are trying to do with the Turd that is now Blackburn Rovers.

Must be a Burnley PR firm - loads of positive press about Venkys at the right end of the M65.

you can roll a turd in glitter! obviosly you'e tried this alreay....maybe you've had one between a couple of slices of George' whitebread.

Now go away you stalking freaks.

leitchy wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

leitchy wrote: If we do not go up this season Venkys are off....FACT !! The financial implications on us not getting promoted are catastrophic!! The lateest stunt in to try and improve the image so they might be able to sell quicker...THATS ALL !!

How could they expect to get promoted if they are not prepared to put money in for better players, having sold all our top pros ?

Agreed I don't think we will get promoted we have lost far too many top players..

I looked at the line up on friday night and thought only 2 players would of got into our team 3 years ago.....Martin Olson and Rhodes....Thats how far we have dropped on the pitch and off the pitch is even worse..!!

fanny_tickler. wrote:
Kean out, Hendry out, Black out, Berg out, Singh out, Appleton out, Shaw out, Agnew out, Venky's out.. etc. This is going to have to be one hell of a PR firm to change the image of this shambolic disgrace to English football. There's more chance of Max Clifford getting Gary Glitter presenting on Cbeebies. Each and every Blackburn fan attending under the Venky's reign is complicit in destroying Jack Walkers legacy. Shame on you.

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

LittleRonnieHildersl
ey wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.

LittleRonnieHildersl
ey wrote:

Blackburn fans love horses wrote:

George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !

Nope, but you can roll the turd in glitter - which is what Venkys are trying to do with the Turd that is now Blackburn Rovers.

Must be a Burnley PR firm - loads of positive press about Venkys at the right end of the M65.

you can roll a turd in glitter! obviosly you'e tried this alreay....maybe you've had one between a couple of slices of George' whitebread.

Now go away you stalking freaks.

bluenick wrote:

lusorover wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

Quite so. Reality needs to kick in. Not pleasant but that's the way it is.

We had a financial blueprint with the club being run efficiently. You can't call a good blueprint selling all your best players & replace them with lesser players. Leave out loyal players who want to play because some more money might be due to them,treating them shoddily. Then throw in a load of youngsters when things are not going well. Sacking a steady manager without having a solid relacement lined up. Having no sponsors! I could go on more! Villa or any other club should not follow our example on how to slide down the league & alienate the supporters.

Colne lads back wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl

ey wrote:

Blackburn fans love horses wrote:

George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !

Nope, but you can roll the turd in glitter - which is what Venkys are trying to do with the Turd that is now Blackburn Rovers.

Must be a Burnley PR firm - loads of positive press about Venkys at the right end of the M65.

you can roll a turd in glitter! obviosly you'e tried this alreay....maybe you've had one between a couple of slices of George' whitebread.

Now go away you stalking freaks.

Stop dribbling on your keyboard LRH,all the keys are sticking,or are you doing something that your not supposed to do

gleechy wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

When you say we, is Desai your Mum?

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl

ey wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.

Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.

leitchy wrote:
SHEBBY.....HELLO SHEBBY......I CANT HEAR YOU.....WOW YOUR SILENCE IS DEFINING ME !!!

HA ! ARE YOU COOKING UP A PLAN TO GET SHAW/AGNEW BACK ! !

HIRE STUART RIPLEY AS STRIKER COACH!!! LOL

gleechy wrote:
So they use JA who turns the club into a disaster, they bring in many poor players and give them lucrative contracts with do doubt massive agent's fees, and one good player.

All rumours point to Rovers needing experience to keep afloat, so they get inexperience, then sack him and get more inexperience, whilst having to pay off other clubs and use money for bad decisions.

Then they want someone to make up good stories to tell everybody to get them happy.
We have people with very poor reputations in very high places, it's even more impossible than getting promoted in a tough league with an inexperienced manager with a poor track record.

Well if they're trying to get all the failures under one roof they're doing a **** good job

There is definately worse to come.

Iiii1111 wrote:
keep your gobs shut............send my fee via the post

George.White.Bread wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl

ey wrote:

Blackburn fans love horses wrote:

George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !

Nope, but you can roll the turd in glitter - which is what Venkys are trying to do with the Turd that is now Blackburn Rovers.

Must be a Burnley PR firm - loads of positive press about Venkys at the right end of the M65.

you can roll a turd in glitter! obviosly you'e tried this alreay....maybe you've had one between a couple of slices of George' whitebread.

Now go away you stalking freaks.

That's actually quite funny! :)

LittleRonnieHildersl
ey wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl


ey wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.

Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.

Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

When you say we, is Desai your Mum?

Are you Billy BRAG?

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl

ey wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl



ey wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.

Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.

Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?

Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl

ey wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl



ey wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.

Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.

Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?

Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:
So they use JA who turns the club into a disaster, they bring in many poor players and give them lucrative contracts with do doubt massive agent's fees, and one good player.

All rumours point to Rovers needing experience to keep afloat, so they get inexperience, then sack him and get more inexperience, whilst having to pay off other clubs and use money for bad decisions.

Then they want someone to make up good stories to tell everybody to get them happy.
We have people with very poor reputations in very high places, it's even more impossible than getting promoted in a tough league with an inexperienced manager with a poor track record.

Well if they're trying to get all the failures under one roof they're doing a **** good job

There is definately worse to come.

Hello Victor

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl


ey wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl




ey wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.

Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.

Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?

Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.

I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash?
I feel for your incapacity, bless you.

gleechy wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:
So they use JA who turns the club into a disaster, they bring in many poor players and give them lucrative contracts with do doubt massive agent's fees, and one good player.

All rumours point to Rovers needing experience to keep afloat, so they get inexperience, then sack him and get more inexperience, whilst having to pay off other clubs and use money for bad decisions.

Then they want someone to make up good stories to tell everybody to get them happy.
We have people with very poor reputations in very high places, it's even more impossible than getting promoted in a tough league with an inexperienced manager with a poor track record.

Well if they're trying to get all the failures under one roof they're doing a **** good job

There is definately worse to come.

Hello Victor

Hi master desai - bator.

Colne lads back wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl

ey wrote:

Blackburn fans love horses wrote:

George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !

Nope, but you can roll the turd in glitter - which is what Venkys are trying to do with the Turd that is now Blackburn Rovers.

Must be a Burnley PR firm - loads of positive press about Venkys at the right end of the M65.

you can roll a turd in glitter! obviosly you'e tried this alreay....maybe you've had one between a couple of slices of George' whitebread.

Now go away you stalking freaks.

Stop dribbling on your keyboard LRH,all the keys are sticking,or are you doing something that your not supposed to do

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:
So they use JA who turns the club into a disaster, they bring in many poor players and give them lucrative contracts with do doubt massive agent's fees, and one good player.

All rumours point to Rovers needing experience to keep afloat, so they get inexperience, then sack him and get more inexperience, whilst having to pay off other clubs and use money for bad decisions.

Then they want someone to make up good stories to tell everybody to get them happy.
We have people with very poor reputations in very high places, it's even more impossible than getting promoted in a tough league with an inexperienced manager with a poor track record.

Well if they're trying to get all the failures under one roof they're doing a **** good job

There is definately worse to come.

Hello Victor

Hi master desai - bator.

Hello mr leach, you a bit off colour tonight, you are usually sucking on dangerous daves post, hasall that blood gone rushing to your head? :0)

gleechy wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl



ey wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl





ey wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.

Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.

Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?

Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.

I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash?
I feel for your incapacity, bless you.

There's no need to go tangent surfing.
Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up?

You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.

Colne lads back wrote:
Just been on sky news that Carl Pilkington has applied for the PR job.

Yet on other IDIOT abroad.... Only at Comedy Central


K L U
U T C

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl




ey wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl






ey wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.

Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.

Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?

Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.

I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash?
I feel for your incapacity, bless you.

There's no need to go tangent surfing.
Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up?

You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.

This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment.
These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp.
1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ
2 This once proud club is now an XYZ
3 The Venkys are asset stripping
4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out
5 They are a bunch of Shysters
6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign)
7Rovers have been systematically destroyed.
Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.

LittleRonnieHildersl
ey wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl





ey wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl







ey wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.

Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.

Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?

Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.

I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash?
I feel for your incapacity, bless you.

There's no need to go tangent surfing.
Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up?

You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.

This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment.
These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp.
1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ
2 This once proud club is now an XYZ
3 The Venkys are asset stripping
4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out
5 They are a bunch of Shysters
6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign)
7Rovers have been systematically destroyed.
Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.

You're putting words into my mouth, when did I say it was good to run a club with a spiralling debt problem? I'm saying we're not a lot different to other clubs err with spiralling debt problems! you seem to think that we're an exception - where as I like to live in the real world.

merlinrabbit wrote:

Colne lads back wrote:
Just been on sky news that Carl Pilkington has applied for the PR job.

Yet on other IDIOT abroad.... Only at Comedy Central


K L U
U T C

Brian Lowes. Your real name. Born in Blackburn. Own up Colne Lad. I know who you are.

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl




ey wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl






ey wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.

Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.

Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?

Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.

I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash?
I feel for your incapacity, bless you.

There's no need to go tangent surfing.
Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up?

You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.

This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment.
These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp.
1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ
2 This once proud club is now an XYZ
3 The Venkys are asset stripping
4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out
5 They are a bunch of Shysters
6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign)
7Rovers have been systematically destroyed.
Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.

Colne lads back wrote:

merlinrabbit wrote:

Colne lads back wrote:
Just been on sky news that Carl Pilkington has applied for the PR job.

Yet on other IDIOT abroad.... Only at Comedy Central


K L U
U T C

Brian Lowes. Your real name. Born in Blackburn. Own up Colne Lad. I know who you are.

You weren't the chap dressed as Father Christmas in 1979 in the centre o BLACKBUM were you?

Why did you ask me if I wanted to look at your jimmy Saville fix it badge,a bit strange me thinks when all I wanted was train set.

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl

ey wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl






ey wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl








ey wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.

Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.

Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?

Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.

I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash?
I feel for your incapacity, bless you.

There's no need to go tangent surfing.
Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up?

You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.

This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment.
These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp.
1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ
2 This once proud club is now an XYZ
3 The Venkys are asset stripping
4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out
5 They are a bunch of Shysters
6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign)
7Rovers have been systematically destroyed.
Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.

You're putting words into my mouth, when did I say it was good to run a club with a spiralling debt problem? I'm saying we're not a lot different to other clubs err with spiralling debt problems! you seem to think that we're an exception - where as I like to live in the real world.

The reply was to gleechy who seems to think its okay.

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl

ey wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl






ey wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl








ey wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.

Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.

Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?

Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.

I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash?
I feel for your incapacity, bless you.

There's no need to go tangent surfing.
Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up?

You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.

This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment.
These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp.
1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ
2 This once proud club is now an XYZ
3 The Venkys are asset stripping
4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out
5 They are a bunch of Shysters
6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign)
7Rovers have been systematically destroyed.
Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.

You're putting words into my mouth, when did I say it was good to run a club with a spiralling debt problem? I'm saying we're not a lot different to other clubs err with spiralling debt problems! you seem to think that we're an exception - where as I like to live in the real world.

The reply was to gleechy who seems to think its okay.

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl

ey wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl






ey wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl








ey wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.

Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.

Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?

Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.

I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash?
I feel for your incapacity, bless you.

There's no need to go tangent surfing.
Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up?

You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.

This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment.
These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp.
1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ
2 This once proud club is now an XYZ
3 The Venkys are asset stripping
4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out
5 They are a bunch of Shysters
6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign)
7Rovers have been systematically destroyed.
Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.

You're putting words into my mouth, when did I say it was good to run a club with a spiralling debt problem? I'm saying we're not a lot different to other clubs err with spiralling debt problems! you seem to think that we're an exception - where as I like to live in the real world.

The reply was to gleechy who seems to think its okay.

flyingv1 wrote:
The Fire Brigade telephoned Sean Dyche and said "Mr Dyche, there is a fire at Turf Moor" He replied immediately "save the cups" The fireman replied " Don't worry, the fire has not reached the canteen yet"

whittaker0 wrote:
All I can say is that the Sports PR companies reputation could well be in shatters after associating themselves with the Venkys!

merlinrabbit wrote:
Does it really take a PR company to tell them what they need to do? The whole country is telling them. Instead of seeing the press coverage as negative, why dont they listen to whats being said and then respond to it? They could start by having a presence in the running of the club, not necessarily physical but vocally would show they are interested and involved. Making statements for instance. Has anybody ever heard Mrs Desai speak? Iv heard Bilaji talking about how we will finish 8th next season (as we were heading down the PL) and then Venkatash rambling on about how he couldnt eat his tea two nights when we got relegated. I know they arent English but quite honestly, Indians of their standing usually have a good grasp of English. Our club is in the hands of one mute woman and her simpleton brothers. Stand up you cowards and speak up. We want to hear you not your stupid cronies.

Stone Island: wrote:

nil bye mouth wrote:
HA HA HA Clueless classless club .A TOTAL LAUGHING STOCK.

Hey nil for brains, your on the wrong pages again, you scruffy article!

Colne lads back wrote:

Colne lads back wrote:

merlinrabbit wrote:

Colne lads back wrote:
Just been on sky news that Carl Pilkington has applied for the PR job.

Yet on other IDIOT abroad.... Only at Comedy Central


K L U
U T C

Brian Lowes. Your real name. Born in Blackburn. Own up Colne Lad. I know who you are.

You weren't the chap dressed as Father Christmas in 1979 in the centre o BLACKBUM were you?

Why did you ask me if I wanted to look at your jimmy Saville fix it badge,a bit strange me thinks when all I wanted was train set.

Now who's stalking who

WEIRDO

gleechy wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl


ey wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl







ey wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl









ey wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.

Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.

Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?

Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.

I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash?
I feel for your incapacity, bless you.

There's no need to go tangent surfing.
Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up?

You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.

This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment.
These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp.
1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ
2 This once proud club is now an XYZ
3 The Venkys are asset stripping
4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out
5 They are a bunch of Shysters
6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign)
7Rovers have been systematically destroyed.
Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.

You're putting words into my mouth, when did I say it was good to run a club with a spiralling debt problem? I'm saying we're not a lot different to other clubs err with spiralling debt problems! you seem to think that we're an exception - where as I like to live in the real world.

The reply was to gleechy who seems to think its okay.

No, after you.
Gleechy seems to think it's ok? I'm on the other side you are the one who hates anybody for dissliking poor management.

merlinrabbit wrote:
Does it really take a PR company to tell them what they need to do? The whole country is telling them. Instead of seeing the press coverage as negative, why dont they listen to whats being said and then respond to it? They could start by having a presence in the running of the club, not necessarily physical but vocally would show they are interested and involved. Making statements for instance. Has anybody ever heard Mrs Desai speak? Iv heard Bilaji talking about how we will finish 8th next season (as we were heading down the PL) and then Venkatash rambling on about how he couldnt eat his tea two nights when we got relegated. I know they arent English but quite honestly, Indians of their standing usually have a good grasp of English. Our club is in the hands of one mute woman and her simpleton brothers. Stand up you cowards and speak up. We want to hear you not your stupid cronies.

George.White.Bread wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !

Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot

Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right.

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl



ey wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl








ey wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl










ey wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.

Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.

Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?

Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.

I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash?
I feel for your incapacity, bless you.

There's no need to go tangent surfing.
Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up?

You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.

This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment.
These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp.
1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ
2 This once proud club is now an XYZ
3 The Venkys are asset stripping
4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out
5 They are a bunch of Shysters
6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign)
7Rovers have been systematically destroyed.
Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.

You're putting words into my mouth, when did I say it was good to run a club with a spiralling debt problem? I'm saying we're not a lot different to other clubs err with spiralling debt problems! you seem to think that we're an exception - where as I like to live in the real world.

The reply was to gleechy who seems to think its okay.

No, after you.
Gleechy seems to think it's ok? I'm on the other side you are the one who hates anybody for dissliking poor management.

So in gleechys world of business, good management is racking up 24 million in debt and operating in a market that you can no longer sustain.
Ever thougt of working for Poly Peck?
You are obviously a POLY PECK GENIUS

LittleRonnieHildersl
ey wrote:
Gleechy your interpretation of these posts is quite bizarre - no one is suggesting that running a club unsustainably is a good idea despite a large debt being run up under the walker trust.

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl

ey wrote:
Gleechy your interpretation of these posts is quite bizarre - no one is suggesting that running a club unsustainably is a good idea despite a large debt being run up under the walker trust.

24 mill a large debt?
By any standards certainly more sustainable whilst you have quality working for your club.

Now there is no quality and figures are unpredictable until they are finished,but on the surface they are nose diving the club, what is so bizarre?

RoversMCMLXXV wrote:

George.White.Bread wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !

Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot

Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right.

You should know about polishing turds Georgina - you daft tw4ts have been attempting to polish turds and invisible trophies for decades.

At least there's the 'We dominated possession against Rovers' trophy you presented yourselves with

just a bunch of shiny faced tobacco chewing dreamers.....

LittleRonnieHildersl
ey wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl


ey wrote:
Gleechy your interpretation of these posts is quite bizarre - no one is suggesting that running a club unsustainably is a good idea despite a large debt being run up under the walker trust.

24 mill a large debt?
By any standards certainly more sustainable whilst you have quality working for your club.

Now there is no quality and figures are unpredictable until they are finished,but on the surface they are nose diving the club, what is so bizarre?

What's bizarre is that you think myself and 8 ball are saying that what Venkys are doing is good and secondly that you seem to think that we're the only club that this has happened to. No doubt a misinterpretation and broken record response will follow.

BulgarianRover84 wrote:
I read a book in which it is stated that the long term debt of a company should be not more than the net revenue for 3 years. Even though the Venky's have worked on the debt aspect, the Revenue aspect is getting gradually more worrying. Our revenue gates are decreasing - we have average attendance of less than 46% of capacity. And when you think that in the beginning Venky's were talking about increasing the stadium capacity, it's really sad...We are going to receive the last parachute payments on TV rights and then if we don't get back to the Premier league soon, it gets very difficult.
The fans want three things: results, attractive football and their opinion being heard (as pointed out in an earlier post, receiving a reply to an e-mail is at least something).
In my opinion Venky's have to simplify the executive structure, hire an experienced manager with his own backroom staff, who would straighten up the defence, increase the pass success ratio and start getting positive results. We need more defenders in this transfer window and to get rid of surplus midfield players that don't even get used as substitutes!...
I wish Appleton success, but I am furthermore puzzled at the latest appointment. Our last three managers (Kean, Berg and Appleton) don't have a win ratio of more than 40%. For me there were good candidates available, but we missed the opportunity.
At the moment there are two available that in my opinion would at least take us to the playoff zone: Curbishley and Billy Davies. I suppose Venky's didn't opt for them, because they are known for standing firm for their own opinion.
Finally, as someone else pointed out, the only way forward is either a radical overhaul in the structure and/or change of ownership that would again lead to that radical overhaul. I am sure many fans would love to own a share of their favourite club and have voting rights.

George.White.Bread wrote:

RoversMCMLXXV wrote:

George.White.Bread wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

George.White.Bread wrote: Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !

Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot

Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right.

You should know about polishing turds Georgina - you daft tw4ts have been attempting to polish turds and invisible trophies for decades. At least there's the 'We dominated possession against Rovers' trophy you presented yourselves with just a bunch of shiny faced tobacco chewing dreamers.....

Oi Listen, artist formerly known as Rovers75, kiss my hairy bean bag, the only reason why you're having a nibble and getting so worked up is because you know I'm right. I'm afraid that you're just another soup stained Rovers dreamer who insists on living in the past. Instead of getting your lemon and brown stained ripped Y fronts in a twist why not build yourself a flux capacitor, fit it to a Delorian and crank it up to 88 mph, that's the only way your ever gonna see the glory days again down at the Ewood and Bucket comedy club (soon to be the biggest Lidl in East Lancs). I'm sure you and the thousands of other loyal "supporters" will be down at AFC Darwen, where you'll be ground sharing in a couple of years time, to watch the newly formed AFC Blackburn Rovers playing Barnoldswick Town in the Dr Martin cheese and onion crisp league 1 reserves.

George.White.Bread wrote:

RoversMCMLXXV wrote:

George.White.Bread wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !

Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot

Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right.

You should know about polishing turds Georgina - you daft tw4ts have been attempting to polish turds and invisible trophies for decades.

At least there's the 'We dominated possession against Rovers' trophy you presented yourselves with

just a bunch of shiny faced tobacco chewing dreamers.....

Oi Listen, artist formerly known as Rovers75, kiss my hairy bean bag, the only reason why you're having a nibble and getting so worked up is because you know I'm right.

I'm afraid that you're just another soup stained Rovers dreamer who insists on living in the past. Instead of getting your lemon and brown stained ripped Y fronts in a twist why not build yourself a flux capacitor, fit it to a Delorian and crank it up to 88 mph, that's the only way your ever gonna see the glory days again down at the Ewood and Bucket comedy club (soon to be the biggest Lidl in East Lancs).

I'm sure you and the thousands of other loyal "supporters" will be down at AFC Darwen, where you'll be ground sharing in a couple of years time, to watch the newly formed AFC
Blackburn Rovers playing Barnoldswick Town in the Dr Martin cheese and onion crisp league 1 reserves.

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl

ey wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl



ey wrote:
Gleechy your interpretation of these posts is quite bizarre - no one is suggesting that running a club unsustainably is a good idea despite a large debt being run up under the walker trust.

24 mill a large debt?
By any standards certainly more sustainable whilst you have quality working for your club.

Now there is no quality and figures are unpredictable until they are finished,but on the surface they are nose diving the club, what is so bizarre?

What's bizarre is that you think myself and 8 ball are saying that what Venkys are doing is good and secondly that you seem to think that we're the only club that this has happened to. No doubt a misinterpretation and broken record response will follow.

I only speak for my club, you can waffle on about others who you don't know the history of, but I don't appreciate others knocking Rover's fans when they don't have the story and don't intend to do the same to them.

blueblooded wrote:

BulgarianRover84 wrote:
I read a book in which it is stated that the long term debt of a company should be not more than the net revenue for 3 years. Even though the Venky's have worked on the debt aspect, the Revenue aspect is getting gradually more worrying. Our revenue gates are decreasing - we have average attendance of less than 46% of capacity. And when you think that in the beginning Venky's were talking about increasing the stadium capacity, it's really sad...We are going to receive the last parachute payments on TV rights and then if we don't get back to the Premier league soon, it gets very difficult.
The fans want three things: results, attractive football and their opinion being heard (as pointed out in an earlier post, receiving a reply to an e-mail is at least something).
In my opinion Venky's have to simplify the executive structure, hire an experienced manager with his own backroom staff, who would straighten up the defence, increase the pass success ratio and start getting positive results. We need more defenders in this transfer window and to get rid of surplus midfield players that don't even get used as substitutes!...
I wish Appleton success, but I am furthermore puzzled at the latest appointment. Our last three managers (Kean, Berg and Appleton) don't have a win ratio of more than 40%. For me there were good candidates available, but we missed the opportunity.
At the moment there are two available that in my opinion would at least take us to the playoff zone: Curbishley and Billy Davies. I suppose Venky's didn't opt for them, because they are known for standing firm for their own opinion.
Finally, as someone else pointed out, the only way forward is either a radical overhaul in the structure and/or change of ownership that would again lead to that radical overhaul. I am sure many fans would love to own a share of their favourite club and have voting rights.

Your last paragraph is the elephant in the room where the true agendas of so called supporters, groups and individuals lie, that few want to talk about or admit to. Whenever and wherever such suggestions are made, they are met with a tirade of offensive insults and caps lock hate bullets that end any chance of a meaningful discussion.

This hatred for Venky's that is portrayed by some and voiced with a will to fall on their sword and watch Rovers tumble into non-league status to be rid of them before they would return to Ewood, at the same time damning those who attend as traitors lining Venky's pockets is the divide between two very distinct camps.

I don't lose sleep seeing the empty seats at Ewood. I've been around long enough to know that if Venky's pulled off the unimaginable and got us back to the premiership, in large, a lot of that would resolve itself despite what many like to think and verbalise frequently.
What I do find worrying is the emotive language used to deflect any suggestion of conspiracy on the part of those who openly without hesitation or need of factual evidence, are happy to accuse Venky's of corruption.

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl


ey wrote:

gleechy wrote:

LittleRonnieHildersl




ey wrote:
Gleechy your interpretation of these posts is quite bizarre - no one is suggesting that running a club unsustainably is a good idea despite a large debt being run up under the walker trust.

24 mill a large debt?
By any standards certainly more sustainable whilst you have quality working for your club.

Now there is no quality and figures are unpredictable until they are finished,but on the surface they are nose diving the club, what is so bizarre?

What's bizarre is that you think myself and 8 ball are saying that what Venkys are doing is good and secondly that you seem to think that we're the only club that this has happened to. No doubt a misinterpretation and broken record response will follow.

I only speak for my club, you can waffle on about others who you don't know the history of, but I don't appreciate others knocking Rover's fans when they don't have the story and don't intend to do the same to them.

Oh lord now he's using the I ONLY SPEAK FOR MY CLUB cheese sandwhich.All you need now is to walk in slow motion towards a camera with a big explosion in the background for the ultimate in Chuck Norris o vision football supporter.
Having been going to rovers since well before the walker era when the riverside and nuttall were made of wood, some of it must have splintered off and lodged between your ears. So don't talk to me about history and pretend to get all glassy eyed. The club existed before the walker era and when it came out it was 24 million in debt. Obviously it was being so well run that the debt doesn't matter in Gleechy's world of finance.
Lets talk about how well run it was shall we. The facts that we had to sell RSC Bentley, Duff, Bellamy, etc etc etc and we were still 24 million in debt. So we are now not in as much debt but they did the same as the walker trust and sold all the saleable assets, so what has changed. Er nothing really except we got relegated.
Deal with it you blubbering wet arse or just FO and stop boring everyone with your Adrain Rocky speach FFS grow some knackers some of us support the club no matter who owns it. Did anyone really care who owned it before Jack? Not really so whats your point, do you think if you blubb hard enough you will get us back to the glory days?
TOOL

whappen wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

Virtually every club in the PL and Championship is in debt (and those below, I'll bet). It's a case of managing it. £24m is not actually that much in comparison to some in the PL - and I'm not talking about the big boys. Problem is, we ain't in the PL anymore and have lost over £25m at stroke as a result; over £50m next year.

I seem to recall Kean saying Venkys had to get rid of the debt, hence them doing what they did last year. The recent accounts showed despite all the cost cutting and player sales, the club is still £20m in debt. Whaddya know? Another porky from the owners rolled out by their puppet.

We made a £5m last year due to a massive profit on player sales. So where does that leave us now all the players worth a bean have gone? Up sh!t creek, that's where. Don't try and make out Venkys actions were necessary for the survival of the club because what they have done has resulted in the distinct possibility the exact opposite may happen.

No amount of PR can put that right or help them get out of the deep hole they've dug for themselves. Managing to put a positive spin on the total disaster Venkys have overseen would be an achievement of biblical proportions.

They may be able to convince the media if they can be bothered to listen. Given the recent support for the fans' situation amidst the chaos at the club, I would like to think they could see through any spin. But no PR bu!!$hit will ever convince the fans. You can fool some of the people some of the time etc etc.

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

hasslem hasslem wrote:
Experts in crisis management?

Worked on the Muamba case - fair enough, but the stuff about Muamba - was effectively managing a good news story (once he was over the worst). Most of the early stuff surrounded Owen Coyle standing outside the hospital every day giving updates on Muamba's condition.....nobody with any sense or heart wanted anything bad to happen to Fabrice (apart from the obvious trolls and meatheads)

Rovers' case is much more complicated and is exacerbated by the fact that outside of a small part of NE Lancs - nobody really gives a toss and are, quite rightly, laughing at us, the club and particularly venkys.....the only sympathy comes from those who realise it could quite easily be them next.

all any PR company in this instance (and i write with experience of the medium) can do is, at best, paper over the cracks.- it is not crisis management at rovers, it is damage limitation.

are you seriously telling me that the adams family would listen to any advice from a london PR when making (or not making decisions)? why would the Sports PR Company have any more sway than any of the other pretenders that pollute our beloved club?

what is needed is not PR - but a radical overhaul of all the key execs who prove that lunatics can not run an asylum, coupled with a much more decisive and strategic decision making process. clearly tweedle dee and dum are replicating the chaos they engendered at PNE and layered on top of that you have the cherry on the cake (or at least the red nose) that is charlie careloli (IS HE STILL WITH US? NOBODY KNOWS) - perhaps that is the first question our expert PR can deal with

as others have already mentioned - isn't agnew meant to incorporate PR as his business (in)competencies? WTF has he been doing for the last 26 months then? if the loons in pune feel the need to recruit a PR - then surely it calls into question agnew's role and represents an opportunity to sack him (WITH NO COMPO) for breach of contract and try to let him sue us.

realistically what rovers needs right now - is a couple of experienced pragmatic people with a knowledge of how the football game works to come in to the club - do a "drains up" exercise of all things smelly, be empowered to make critical decisions, bang loads of heads together and start to get a grip in making this club a well organised and proud club once more....say someone like tom finn and john williams...just a thought.

chrssgreen wrote:

George.White.Bread wrote:

RoversMCMLXXV wrote:

George.White.Bread wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

George.White.Bread wrote: Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !

Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot

Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right.

You should know about polishing turds Georgina - you daft tw4ts have been attempting to polish turds and invisible trophies for decades. At least there's the 'We dominated possession against Rovers' trophy you presented yourselves with just a bunch of shiny faced tobacco chewing dreamers.....

Oi Listen, artist formerly known as Rovers75, kiss my hairy bean bag, the only reason why you're having a nibble and getting so worked up is because you know I'm right. I'm afraid that you're just another soup stained Rovers dreamer who insists on living in the past. Instead of getting your lemon and brown stained ripped Y fronts in a twist why not build yourself a flux capacitor, fit it to a Delorian and crank it up to 88 mph, that's the only way your ever gonna see the glory days again down at the Ewood and Bucket comedy club (soon to be the biggest Lidl in East Lancs). I'm sure you and the thousands of other loyal "supporters" will be down at AFC Darwen, where you'll be ground sharing in a couple of years time, to watch the newly formed AFC Blackburn Rovers playing Barnoldswick Town in the Dr Martin cheese and onion crisp league 1 reserves.

Excuse me Sir.. Please do not associate the splendid "Barlick Town" with the future Shadsworth Rovers Dons.. As we have a reputation to keep..

George.White.Bread wrote:

chrssgreen wrote:

George.White.Bread wrote:

RoversMCMLXXV wrote:

George.White.Bread wrote:

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:

George.White.Bread wrote: Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !

Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot

Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right.

You should know about polishing turds Georgina - you daft tw4ts have been attempting to polish turds and invisible trophies for decades. At least there's the 'We dominated possession against Rovers' trophy you presented yourselves with just a bunch of shiny faced tobacco chewing dreamers.....

Oi Listen, artist formerly known as Rovers75, kiss my hairy bean bag, the only reason why you're having a nibble and getting so worked up is because you know I'm right. I'm afraid that you're just another soup stained Rovers dreamer who insists on living in the past. Instead of getting your lemon and brown stained ripped Y fronts in a twist why not build yourself a flux capacitor, fit it to a Delorian and crank it up to 88 mph, that's the only way your ever gonna see the glory days again down at the Ewood and Bucket comedy club (soon to be the biggest Lidl in East Lancs). I'm sure you and the thousands of other loyal "supporters" will be down at AFC Darwen, where you'll be ground sharing in a couple of years time, to watch the newly formed AFC Blackburn Rovers playing Barnoldswick Town in the Dr Martin cheese and onion crisp league 1 reserves.

Excuse me Sir.. Please do not associate the splendid "Barlick Town" with the future Shadsworth Rovers Dons.. As we have a reputation to keep..

Sir, I apologise unreservedly, Barlick is indeed a fine place that should not be associated with the black sinkhole of Calcutta.

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.

noddy57 wrote:
just a reminder for all the folks who are still unnaware of the current climate surrounding uk clubs,,first of all, only the self sustaining clubs can survive ,,the lesser clubs will fold without a benefactor propping them up.tv has killed the game and there is no way back for the small town clubs, and those like brfc are im afraid destined for the scrapheap brought about prematurely by the antics of its current owners,,apart from shieks and oil billionaires who can bankroll the clubs for the foreseable future but even that has a shelf life, we better start realising that all sport perticularly football is living on borrowed time,

A Darener wrote:
All the publicity in the world will not undo the damage the Venky's have done to the reputation of Blackburn Rovers. The only answer to the problem is for the Venky's to GET OUT!