I'll ask Venky’s for new faces, says Rovers boss Bowyer

I'll ask Venky’s for new faces, says Rovers boss Bowyer

I'll ask Venky’s for new faces, says Rovers boss Bowyer

First published in News Lancashire Telegraph: Photograph of the Author by , Blackburn Rovers reporter

BLACKBURN Rovers boss Gary Bowyer says the versatility of Alex Baptiste and Jason Lowe is going to be crucial if he is unable to recruit the defensive reinforcements his squad desperately require.

Rovers have just four fully fit senior defenders heading into tomorrow’s Capital One Cup clash with Scunthorpe after Matt Kilgallon joined Tommy Spurr on the sidelines.

Bowyer is planning to go back to the board and Venky’s to see if there is any chance he can bring in some much needed back-up.

But if the purse strings cannot be loosened then Bowyer – who fully understands why that could be the case – admits the flexibility of Baptiste and Lowe will take on added significance.

Midfielder Lowe moved to right back after Kilgallon went off at half-time in Friday’s Championship opener with Cardiff with debutant Baptiste, who can also play left back, switching to the centre.

Both impressed in the second half as Rovers, watched by owners Venky’s from the stands, kick started their season with a 1-1 draw against the title favourites.

And Bowyer said: “We might try and go and do something but if not we’ve got people who can go and play anywhere.

“You saw that with Alex Baptiste and Jason Lowe.

“I thought Baptiste made an outstanding debut and showed why we signed him and showed why we need flexibility in the team.

“Jason Lowe was magnificent, too, at right back, after being so dominant in midfield. It was a shame to take him out of there but unfortunately we had an injury to Matt Kilgallon.”

Kilgallon suffered a back spasm after landing heavily following a challenge with Cardiff’s goalscorer Kenwyne Jones.

The centre back will continue to be assessed today to see if he can take his place in the Rovers squad for tomorrow’s cup clash with Scunthorpe at Ewood Park.

But of more concern is Spurr.

The left back missed the final three games of last season and a chunk of pre-season with a groin problem.

But his latest injury, sustained in training on the eve of the Bluebirds clash and which will rule him out for at least a fortnight, is unrelated.

Bowyer, who was impressed by the performance produced by Spurr’s last-minute replacement Markus Olsson, said: “It’s a groin injury again but it’s the other one this time.

“It’s safe to say he’ll be missing a couple of weeks.”

Rovers have so far this summer only been able to sign Baptiste on a season-long loan and strikers Chris Brown and Luke Varney on free transfers as the club, which lost £36.5m in its last published accounts, attempt to meet the Financial Fair Play regulations in the years to come.

And Bowyer said: “I’m going to have to have a conversation with the people above me.

“They’ve been very supportive to me all throughout my time here, and were again in me getting in Alex Baptiste, and I do understand we have to conform with Financial Fair Play and cut our cloth accordingly.”

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9:56am Mon 11 Aug 14

owd nick says...

The key is in the last paragraph;

“They've been very supportive to me all throughout my time here, and were again in me getting in Alex Baptiste, and I do understand we have to conform with Financial Fair Play and cut our cloth accordingly.”

A lot of clubs are struggling to get defenders, there does appear to be a dearth of experienced defenders at this level at this moment in time so clubs are hanging on to what they have got, or charging a premium.

The reality of FFP is kicking in, Rovers have put in an incredible effort to reduce costs in the last 12 months or so, I estimate somewhere in the region of £20 million taken out, but the excesses of the previous 2 years are catching up with us and it will take a couple more seasons before we are on an even keel.

I hope he starts with some of the youngsters tomorrow night with experience on the bench just in case, because there is no way we can flash the cash anymore, we have to bring these kids through.
The key is in the last paragraph; “They've been very supportive to me all throughout my time here, and were again in me getting in Alex Baptiste, and I do understand we have to conform with Financial Fair Play and cut our cloth accordingly.” A lot of clubs are struggling to get defenders, there does appear to be a dearth of experienced defenders at this level at this moment in time so clubs are hanging on to what they have got, or charging a premium. The reality of FFP is kicking in, Rovers have put in an incredible effort to reduce costs in the last 12 months or so, I estimate somewhere in the region of £20 million taken out, but the excesses of the previous 2 years are catching up with us and it will take a couple more seasons before we are on an even keel. I hope he starts with some of the youngsters tomorrow night with experience on the bench just in case, because there is no way we can flash the cash anymore, we have to bring these kids through. owd nick
  • Score: 30

9:59am Mon 11 Aug 14

Its Only a game boy says...

Derek Hobson would do a very good job there......
Derek Hobson would do a very good job there...... Its Only a game boy
  • Score: 1

10:04am Mon 11 Aug 14

yyy's1 says...

The versatility of Jason Lowe and Alex Baptiste? the sooner G.B. stops making Lowe an automatic choice in midfield the better the team will be and while Baptiste had a decent second half against Cardiff his first half performance was to say the least ordinary.
While I am on, why did we only use one sub {forced on us through injury} when for the last twenty minutes it was obvious things needed changing, if we can't use Dunn for a short spell at home when are we going to use him?
The versatility of Jason Lowe and Alex Baptiste? the sooner G.B. stops making Lowe an automatic choice in midfield the better the team will be and while Baptiste had a decent second half against Cardiff his first half performance was to say the least ordinary. While I am on, why did we only use one sub {forced on us through injury} when for the last twenty minutes it was obvious things needed changing, if we can't use Dunn for a short spell at home when are we going to use him? yyy's1
  • Score: 27

10:05am Mon 11 Aug 14

dinglecrusher says...

I don't see what GB sees as far as Lowe is concerned

He is fine at full back but playing him centre mid means we push our best by a mile centre midfielder - i.e. Cairney - out wide where he is nowhere near as effective

GB has a worrying mindset re Lowe; I hope Venkys say "No" and force him to use Lowe at right back
I don't see what GB sees as far as Lowe is concerned He is fine at full back but playing him centre mid means we push our best by a mile centre midfielder - i.e. Cairney - out wide where he is nowhere near as effective GB has a worrying mindset re Lowe; I hope Venkys say "No" and force him to use Lowe at right back dinglecrusher
  • Score: 31

10:14am Mon 11 Aug 14

Bazzer says...

I wonder if new boy Chris Brown has ever turned out as a centre back?
I wonder if new boy Chris Brown has ever turned out as a centre back? Bazzer
  • Score: 5

10:16am Mon 11 Aug 14

Chuck Norris' Roundhouse says...

dinglecrusher wrote:
I don't see what GB sees as far as Lowe is concerned

He is fine at full back but playing him centre mid means we push our best by a mile centre midfielder - i.e. Cairney - out wide where he is nowhere near as effective

GB has a worrying mindset re Lowe; I hope Venkys say "No" and force him to use Lowe at right back
So you want Venkys to interfere in team selection do you?

Righto then.
[quote][p][bold]dinglecrusher[/bold] wrote: I don't see what GB sees as far as Lowe is concerned He is fine at full back but playing him centre mid means we push our best by a mile centre midfielder - i.e. Cairney - out wide where he is nowhere near as effective GB has a worrying mindset re Lowe; I hope Venkys say "No" and force him to use Lowe at right back[/p][/quote]So you want Venkys to interfere in team selection do you? Righto then. Chuck Norris' Roundhouse
  • Score: -14

10:19am Mon 11 Aug 14

kitchener2 says...

Baptiste......we'd be better off with John the baptist, and he did'nt have an head!
Baptiste......we'd be better off with John the baptist, and he did'nt have an head! kitchener2
  • Score: -6

10:23am Mon 11 Aug 14

Its Only a game boy says...

kitchener2 wrote:
Baptiste......we'd be better off with John the baptist, and he did'nt have an head!
another priceless gem -
[quote][p][bold]kitchener2[/bold] wrote: Baptiste......we'd be better off with John the baptist, and he did'nt have an head![/p][/quote]another priceless gem - Its Only a game boy
  • Score: -4

10:33am Mon 11 Aug 14

GAZHAY says...

Bowyer.....although you have steadied the ship and things have improved greatly you still need to stop talking about Lowe as a midfielder. He can't play there simple, his best position by far is right back. When he plays centre mid then Cairney plays out of position, this guy can run the midfield why play him on the right? Everytime Cairney was effective was when he drifted into the middle.
Also like others have mentioned why no subs??? Surely the last 30 mins was crying out for Dunn or King ( who he has been raving on about all pre-season) but negativity rules again.
Glad I have my tickets for Saturday as all sold out already but heres hoping for players in the right positions and a bit more attacking flair!!!!
Bowyer.....although you have steadied the ship and things have improved greatly you still need to stop talking about Lowe as a midfielder. He can't play there simple, his best position by far is right back. When he plays centre mid then Cairney plays out of position, this guy can run the midfield why play him on the right? Everytime Cairney was effective was when he drifted into the middle. Also like others have mentioned why no subs??? Surely the last 30 mins was crying out for Dunn or King ( who he has been raving on about all pre-season) but negativity rules again. Glad I have my tickets for Saturday as all sold out already but heres hoping for players in the right positions and a bit more attacking flair!!!! GAZHAY
  • Score: 18

10:58am Mon 11 Aug 14

Its Only a game boy says...

you will get seasick at the seaside.....
you will get seasick at the seaside..... Its Only a game boy
  • Score: -6

11:03am Mon 11 Aug 14

Pembina says...

Its Only a game boy wrote:
you will get seasick at the seaside.....
Seasick tablets are available aren't they?
[quote][p][bold]Its Only a game boy[/bold] wrote: you will get seasick at the seaside.....[/p][/quote]Seasick tablets are available aren't they? Pembina
  • Score: 3

11:08am Mon 11 Aug 14

Its Only a game boy says...

Mogadon Bowyer markets his own....
Mogadon Bowyer markets his own.... Its Only a game boy
  • Score: 1

11:14am Mon 11 Aug 14

DutchRover1875 says...

Dirk Marcellis?!

3 caps for Holland. Free transfer.
He is a defender
Dirk Marcellis?! 3 caps for Holland. Free transfer. He is a defender DutchRover1875
  • Score: 5

11:16am Mon 11 Aug 14

modan says...

We need another defender keeper and a full back as i believe sixteen players have left the club this summer.We signed three players Baptiste Varney and Chris Brown. We could call Man Utd about the young lad Kean probably for loan for another season.
Our squad looks good but injuries to key players like Rhodes Cairney Conway Hanley and Robinson could be another disaster for Rovers for their promotion campaign .
Venkys are richest owner in Championship league i am sure money is no object as Venkys want Blackburn back in Premier League asap.

The world only superpower is USA by 2030 China, India and Russia will become new superpowers.Four superpowers are better than one.It's called fair play at the United Nation.
Population of
China 1.3 Billion people
India 1.2 Billion people
USA 322 million people
Russia 142 million people
We need another defender keeper and a full back as i believe sixteen players have left the club this summer.We signed three players Baptiste Varney and Chris Brown. We could call Man Utd about the young lad Kean probably for loan for another season. Our squad looks good but injuries to key players like Rhodes Cairney Conway Hanley and Robinson could be another disaster for Rovers for their promotion campaign . Venkys are richest owner in Championship league i am sure money is no object as Venkys want Blackburn back in Premier League asap. The world only superpower is USA by 2030 China, India and Russia will become new superpowers.Four superpowers are better than one.It's called fair play at the United Nation. Population of China 1.3 Billion people India 1.2 Billion people USA 322 million people Russia 142 million people modan
  • Score: -10

11:23am Mon 11 Aug 14

Chuck Norris' Roundhouse says...

modan wrote:
We need another defender keeper and a full back as i believe sixteen players have left the club this summer.We signed three players Baptiste Varney and Chris Brown. We could call Man Utd about the young lad Kean probably for loan for another season.
Our squad looks good but injuries to key players like Rhodes Cairney Conway Hanley and Robinson could be another disaster for Rovers for their promotion campaign .
Venkys are richest owner in Championship league i am sure money is no object as Venkys want Blackburn back in Premier League asap.

The world only superpower is USA by 2030 China, India and Russia will become new superpowers.Four superpowers are better than one.It's called fair play at the United Nation.
Population of
China 1.3 Billion people
India 1.2 Billion people
USA 322 million people
Russia 142 million people
Wow, just what the world needs, a superpower with around half a billion people living below the poverty line.
[quote][p][bold]modan[/bold] wrote: We need another defender keeper and a full back as i believe sixteen players have left the club this summer.We signed three players Baptiste Varney and Chris Brown. We could call Man Utd about the young lad Kean probably for loan for another season. Our squad looks good but injuries to key players like Rhodes Cairney Conway Hanley and Robinson could be another disaster for Rovers for their promotion campaign . Venkys are richest owner in Championship league i am sure money is no object as Venkys want Blackburn back in Premier League asap. The world only superpower is USA by 2030 China, India and Russia will become new superpowers.Four superpowers are better than one.It's called fair play at the United Nation. Population of China 1.3 Billion people India 1.2 Billion people USA 322 million people Russia 142 million people[/p][/quote]Wow, just what the world needs, a superpower with around half a billion people living below the poverty line. Chuck Norris' Roundhouse
  • Score: 8

11:36am Mon 11 Aug 14

Its Only a game boy says...

how many holes are there in blackburn Lancashire?
how many holes are there in blackburn Lancashire? Its Only a game boy
  • Score: -2

11:43am Mon 11 Aug 14

Harwoodstblue says...

Not having a go at Bowyer as he's done far more good than bad. However Baptiste is never a left back and he admits this himself.
Whilst played out of position at Bolton (left back) he committed some real howlers including giving penalties away and being sent off more than once which resulted in him being dropped never to regain his place, hence he's here !!! He's a better central defender.
We've known for the last 12 months that we need a decent right back but nothing has been done to address this, instead making do and mend. The best right back we have on our books is lowe, play him there.
Not having a go at Bowyer as he's done far more good than bad. However Baptiste is never a left back and he admits this himself. Whilst played out of position at Bolton (left back) he committed some real howlers including giving penalties away and being sent off more than once which resulted in him being dropped never to regain his place, hence he's here !!! He's a better central defender. We've known for the last 12 months that we need a decent right back but nothing has been done to address this, instead making do and mend. The best right back we have on our books is lowe, play him there. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 12

11:52am Mon 11 Aug 14

DutchRover1875 says...

DutchRover1875 wrote:
Dirk Marcellis?!

3 caps for Holland. Free transfer.
He is a defender
http://en.m.wikipedi
a.org/wiki/Dirk_Marc
ellis
[quote][p][bold]DutchRover1875[/bold] wrote: Dirk Marcellis?! 3 caps for Holland. Free transfer. He is a defender[/p][/quote]http://en.m.wikipedi a.org/wiki/Dirk_Marc ellis DutchRover1875
  • Score: 0

12:12pm Mon 11 Aug 14

TurfMoor Tom says...

We are in MAJOR trouble if we don't get some quality in asap.

I really fear for our prospects with the current squad and given how very competitive this league is going to be a few bad results puts us out of the picture. It pains me to say it but I just don't see Bowyer being able to turn this group of journeymen footballers into play-off contenders.

PLEASE VENKY'S...... GIVE THE MAN SOME SPENDING MONEY!!!!!
We are in MAJOR trouble if we don't get some quality in asap. I really fear for our prospects with the current squad and given how very competitive this league is going to be a few bad results puts us out of the picture. It pains me to say it but I just don't see Bowyer being able to turn this group of journeymen footballers into play-off contenders. PLEASE VENKY'S...... GIVE THE MAN SOME SPENDING MONEY!!!!! TurfMoor Tom
  • Score: -19

12:12pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Ronaldpetercooper says...

owd nick wrote:
The key is in the last paragraph;

“They've been very supportive to me all throughout my time here, and were again in me getting in Alex Baptiste, and I do understand we have to conform with Financial Fair Play and cut our cloth accordingly.”

A lot of clubs are struggling to get defenders, there does appear to be a dearth of experienced defenders at this level at this moment in time so clubs are hanging on to what they have got, or charging a premium.

The reality of FFP is kicking in, Rovers have put in an incredible effort to reduce costs in the last 12 months or so, I estimate somewhere in the region of £20 million taken out, but the excesses of the previous 2 years are catching up with us and it will take a couple more seasons before we are on an even keel.

I hope he starts with some of the youngsters tomorrow night with experience on the bench just in case, because there is no way we can flash the cash anymore, we have to bring these kids through.
Hi Owd Nick
Once again spot on with the youngsters who surely must be given a chance. On Saturday not one was on the bench and this can be most discouraging. I cannot accept, although GB should know best. that Baptiste is anything but a liability as he was very lucky to remain on the pitch. Yes he can play across the back but we will not win with 10 men.
Please give O' Connell a chance even if only on the bench and at least give other youngsters some encouragement.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: The key is in the last paragraph; “They've been very supportive to me all throughout my time here, and were again in me getting in Alex Baptiste, and I do understand we have to conform with Financial Fair Play and cut our cloth accordingly.” A lot of clubs are struggling to get defenders, there does appear to be a dearth of experienced defenders at this level at this moment in time so clubs are hanging on to what they have got, or charging a premium. The reality of FFP is kicking in, Rovers have put in an incredible effort to reduce costs in the last 12 months or so, I estimate somewhere in the region of £20 million taken out, but the excesses of the previous 2 years are catching up with us and it will take a couple more seasons before we are on an even keel. I hope he starts with some of the youngsters tomorrow night with experience on the bench just in case, because there is no way we can flash the cash anymore, we have to bring these kids through.[/p][/quote]Hi Owd Nick Once again spot on with the youngsters who surely must be given a chance. On Saturday not one was on the bench and this can be most discouraging. I cannot accept, although GB should know best. that Baptiste is anything but a liability as he was very lucky to remain on the pitch. Yes he can play across the back but we will not win with 10 men. Please give O' Connell a chance even if only on the bench and at least give other youngsters some encouragement. Ronaldpetercooper
  • Score: 2

12:21pm Mon 11 Aug 14

juanbbien says...

Can the Telegraph not come up with a more suitable photo Of Mr Bowyer than the one printed, it's bloody awful
Can the Telegraph not come up with a more suitable photo Of Mr Bowyer than the one printed, it's bloody awful juanbbien
  • Score: 3

12:23pm Mon 11 Aug 14

A Darener says...

On Saturday not one was on the bench and this can be most discouraging."
No one was on the pitch either, the game was on Friday!
On Saturday not one was on the bench and this can be most discouraging." No one was on the pitch either, the game was on Friday! A Darener
  • Score: 10

12:26pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Ronaldpetercooper says...

A Darener wrote:
On Saturday not one was on the bench and this can be most discouraging."
No one was on the pitch either, the game was on Friday!
Oops!!
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: On Saturday not one was on the bench and this can be most discouraging." No one was on the pitch either, the game was on Friday![/p][/quote]Oops!! Ronaldpetercooper
  • Score: 4

12:41pm Mon 11 Aug 14

jack went up says...

Interesting comments from Ole

"We defended our goal well, I was pleased with the performance and the attitude of the lads, particularly defensively.

"We have come away against a good team and dug out a good result. Kenwyne Jones worked really hard and is getting his fitness together.

"In the second half we didn't play well with the ball but we sorted out the problems that Tom Cairney, especially, caused us in the first half.

"This is going to be a relentless season. I need a centre back in. We have loads of experience in this league and we had to have this here. Very happy with a point against one of the favourites."


Looking at the sides who have come down none performed particularly well over the weekend or looked like they would have a lot more to give, this is going to be a very open campaign , consistency and belief will play a big part this season.
Interesting comments from Ole "We defended our goal well, I was pleased with the performance and the attitude of the lads, particularly defensively. "We have come away against a good team and dug out a good result. Kenwyne Jones worked really hard and is getting his fitness together. "In the second half we didn't play well with the ball but we sorted out the problems that Tom Cairney, especially, caused us in the first half. "This is going to be a relentless season. I need a centre back in. We have loads of experience in this league and we had to have this here. Very happy with a point against one of the favourites." Looking at the sides who have come down none performed particularly well over the weekend or looked like they would have a lot more to give, this is going to be a very open campaign , consistency and belief will play a big part this season. jack went up
  • Score: 5

1:08pm Mon 11 Aug 14

more bans than ray - brfc lxxv says...

Chuck Norris' Roundhouse wrote:
modan wrote:
We need another defender keeper and a full back as i believe sixteen players have left the club this summer.We signed three players Baptiste Varney and Chris Brown. We could call Man Utd about the young lad Kean probably for loan for another season.
Our squad looks good but injuries to key players like Rhodes Cairney Conway Hanley and Robinson could be another disaster for Rovers for their promotion campaign .
Venkys are richest owner in Championship league i am sure money is no object as Venkys want Blackburn back in Premier League asap.

The world only superpower is USA by 2030 China, India and Russia will become new superpowers.Four superpowers are better than one.It's called fair play at the United Nation.
Population of
China 1.3 Billion people
India 1.2 Billion people
USA 322 million people
Russia 142 million people
Wow, just what the world needs, a superpower with around half a billion people living below the poverty line.
Agree with you on that one chuck. And what the hell the population of China has got to do with Rovers needing a centre half god only knows.
[quote][p][bold]Chuck Norris' Roundhouse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]modan[/bold] wrote: We need another defender keeper and a full back as i believe sixteen players have left the club this summer.We signed three players Baptiste Varney and Chris Brown. We could call Man Utd about the young lad Kean probably for loan for another season. Our squad looks good but injuries to key players like Rhodes Cairney Conway Hanley and Robinson could be another disaster for Rovers for their promotion campaign . Venkys are richest owner in Championship league i am sure money is no object as Venkys want Blackburn back in Premier League asap. The world only superpower is USA by 2030 China, India and Russia will become new superpowers.Four superpowers are better than one.It's called fair play at the United Nation. Population of China 1.3 Billion people India 1.2 Billion people USA 322 million people Russia 142 million people[/p][/quote]Wow, just what the world needs, a superpower with around half a billion people living below the poverty line.[/p][/quote]Agree with you on that one chuck. And what the hell the population of China has got to do with Rovers needing a centre half god only knows. more bans than ray - brfc lxxv
  • Score: 4

1:10pm Mon 11 Aug 14

spike t says...

He could cdertianly do with a new face lol
He could cdertianly do with a new face lol spike t
  • Score: 0

1:12pm Mon 11 Aug 14

jackmetickler says...

first game lads.... still lots to work on; yes....
but GB has worked wonders on a tight budget and he will again ....
He is throwing the decisions squarely at the Venkys...
I agree if we dont strengthen defence we aint going up.... possible play offs if not too many injuries..
we back to loanees it looks like but all the successful championship clubs make good loans....
Still 3 weeks left to strengthen......
first game lads.... still lots to work on; yes.... but GB has worked wonders on a tight budget and he will again .... He is throwing the decisions squarely at the Venkys... I agree if we dont strengthen defence we aint going up.... possible play offs if not too many injuries.. we back to loanees it looks like but all the successful championship clubs make good loans.... Still 3 weeks left to strengthen...... jackmetickler
  • Score: 1

1:22pm Mon 11 Aug 14

tall in the saddle says...

juanbbien wrote:
Can the Telegraph not come up with a more suitable photo Of Mr Bowyer than the one printed, it's bloody awful
Do you know a picture of Donald Duck would even be better.
[quote][p][bold]juanbbien[/bold] wrote: Can the Telegraph not come up with a more suitable photo Of Mr Bowyer than the one printed, it's bloody awful[/p][/quote]Do you know a picture of Donald Duck would even be better. tall in the saddle
  • Score: 0

1:26pm Mon 11 Aug 14

tall in the saddle says...

more bans than ray - brfc lxxv wrote:
Chuck Norris' Roundhouse wrote:
modan wrote:
We need another defender keeper and a full back as i believe sixteen players have left the club this summer.We signed three players Baptiste Varney and Chris Brown. We could call Man Utd about the young lad Kean probably for loan for another season.
Our squad looks good but injuries to key players like Rhodes Cairney Conway Hanley and Robinson could be another disaster for Rovers for their promotion campaign .
Venkys are richest owner in Championship league i am sure money is no object as Venkys want Blackburn back in Premier League asap.

The world only superpower is USA by 2030 China, India and Russia will become new superpowers.Four superpowers are better than one.It's called fair play at the United Nation.
Population of
China 1.3 Billion people
India 1.2 Billion people
USA 322 million people
Russia 142 million people
Wow, just what the world needs, a superpower with around half a billion people living below the poverty line.
Agree with you on that one chuck. And what the hell the population of China has got to do with Rovers needing a centre half god only knows.
Modan really needs to some time with his Guru in a mountain retreat in Northern Pakistan.
[quote][p][bold]more bans than ray - brfc lxxv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chuck Norris' Roundhouse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]modan[/bold] wrote: We need another defender keeper and a full back as i believe sixteen players have left the club this summer.We signed three players Baptiste Varney and Chris Brown. We could call Man Utd about the young lad Kean probably for loan for another season. Our squad looks good but injuries to key players like Rhodes Cairney Conway Hanley and Robinson could be another disaster for Rovers for their promotion campaign . Venkys are richest owner in Championship league i am sure money is no object as Venkys want Blackburn back in Premier League asap. The world only superpower is USA by 2030 China, India and Russia will become new superpowers.Four superpowers are better than one.It's called fair play at the United Nation. Population of China 1.3 Billion people India 1.2 Billion people USA 322 million people Russia 142 million people[/p][/quote]Wow, just what the world needs, a superpower with around half a billion people living below the poverty line.[/p][/quote]Agree with you on that one chuck. And what the hell the population of China has got to do with Rovers needing a centre half god only knows.[/p][/quote]Modan really needs to some time with his Guru in a mountain retreat in Northern Pakistan. tall in the saddle
  • Score: 1

2:04pm Mon 11 Aug 14

noddy57 says...

Gary Bowyer can see we are weak at the back and if we fail to improve on it we will fall flat on our face. Stop gaps are all well and good if you want to finish mid table. We have to get some quality and stability in this vital area and shut out these soft goals "especially at home".
Gary Bowyer can see we are weak at the back and if we fail to improve on it we will fall flat on our face. Stop gaps are all well and good if you want to finish mid table. We have to get some quality and stability in this vital area and shut out these soft goals "especially at home". noddy57
  • Score: 1

2:12pm Mon 11 Aug 14

A Rover 45 years and over says...

Why didn't GB get a defender instead of wasting a good wage on Varney who has been neither use nor ornament since he came. Still can't see why O'Connor and Osongo'o couldn't have been given a chance. Anyway got to trust GB knows what he is doing and in fairness has made some very good signings to date in key areas and hope they let him bring another defender in. But it is time he used his substitutes to full advantage in these situations.
Why didn't GB get a defender instead of wasting a good wage on Varney who has been neither use nor ornament since he came. Still can't see why O'Connor and Osongo'o couldn't have been given a chance. Anyway got to trust GB knows what he is doing and in fairness has made some very good signings to date in key areas and hope they let him bring another defender in. But it is time he used his substitutes to full advantage in these situations. A Rover 45 years and over
  • Score: 5

2:13pm Mon 11 Aug 14

owd nick says...

Bazzer wrote:
I wonder if new boy Chris Brown has ever turned out as a centre back?
Strangely enough I was thinking the same this morning.
[quote][p][bold]Bazzer[/bold] wrote: I wonder if new boy Chris Brown has ever turned out as a centre back?[/p][/quote]Strangely enough I was thinking the same this morning. owd nick
  • Score: -1

2:20pm Mon 11 Aug 14

owd nick says...

Chuck Norris' Roundhouse wrote:
modan wrote:
We need another defender keeper and a full back as i believe sixteen players have left the club this summer.We signed three players Baptiste Varney and Chris Brown. We could call Man Utd about the young lad Kean probably for loan for another season.
Our squad looks good but injuries to key players like Rhodes Cairney Conway Hanley and Robinson could be another disaster for Rovers for their promotion campaign .
Venkys are richest owner in Championship league i am sure money is no object as Venkys want Blackburn back in Premier League asap.

The world only superpower is USA by 2030 China, India and Russia will become new superpowers.Four superpowers are better than one.It's called fair play at the United Nation.
Population of
China 1.3 Billion people
India 1.2 Billion people
USA 322 million people
Russia 142 million people
Wow, just what the world needs, a superpower with around half a billion people living below the poverty line.
Now you are in trouble Chuck, I upset a few Indians on Twitter regarding the Anderson affair, they literally went ape when I pointed out that they still had a caste system and more people in poverty than the rest of the world put together.
[quote][p][bold]Chuck Norris' Roundhouse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]modan[/bold] wrote: We need another defender keeper and a full back as i believe sixteen players have left the club this summer.We signed three players Baptiste Varney and Chris Brown. We could call Man Utd about the young lad Kean probably for loan for another season. Our squad looks good but injuries to key players like Rhodes Cairney Conway Hanley and Robinson could be another disaster for Rovers for their promotion campaign . Venkys are richest owner in Championship league i am sure money is no object as Venkys want Blackburn back in Premier League asap. The world only superpower is USA by 2030 China, India and Russia will become new superpowers.Four superpowers are better than one.It's called fair play at the United Nation. Population of China 1.3 Billion people India 1.2 Billion people USA 322 million people Russia 142 million people[/p][/quote]Wow, just what the world needs, a superpower with around half a billion people living below the poverty line.[/p][/quote]Now you are in trouble Chuck, I upset a few Indians on Twitter regarding the Anderson affair, they literally went ape when I pointed out that they still had a caste system and more people in poverty than the rest of the world put together. owd nick
  • Score: 1

2:38pm Mon 11 Aug 14

dean :-) says...

We definitely need a center back to make sure the defender's have plenty of competition for there spot . And I have to say we played ok against the bookies favorites I just think towards the end we should of gone for the win and for the amount of ball we had we should of done more with it (More crosses ) . Gary just needs to be more ruthless specially at home
We definitely need a center back to make sure the defender's have plenty of competition for there spot . And I have to say we played ok against the bookies favorites I just think towards the end we should of gone for the win and for the amount of ball we had we should of done more with it (More crosses ) . Gary just needs to be more ruthless specially at home dean :-)
  • Score: 1

2:51pm Mon 11 Aug 14

owd nick says...

Back to the story.

I think some points are being missed here guys;

FFP, which both Shaw and GB have said will take at least another season after this to comply with, being the main one.

I think (hope) that what Rovers have done over the last 12 months or so in offloading cost will go a long way to offset any penalties incurred, if we hadn't done anything we would have faced draconian fines and a transfer embargo, that may still be the case but I suspect that because of the work already carried out that any penalties will be suspended provided that agreed targets are met.

Venky's cannot simply throw money for playing staff at the club anymore, FFP stops that action dead in it's tracks, any money for players has to come from within the club, that would simply increase the debt and open us up to harsher sanctions.

Which is a bit daft when you consider all the work done so far to reduce that debt.
Back to the story. I think some points are being missed here guys; FFP, which both Shaw and GB have said will take at least another season after this to comply with, being the main one. I think (hope) that what Rovers have done over the last 12 months or so in offloading cost will go a long way to offset any penalties incurred, if we hadn't done anything we would have faced draconian fines and a transfer embargo, that may still be the case but I suspect that because of the work already carried out that any penalties will be suspended provided that agreed targets are met. Venky's cannot simply throw money for playing staff at the club anymore, FFP stops that action dead in it's tracks, any money for players has to come from within the club, that would simply increase the debt and open us up to harsher sanctions. Which is a bit daft when you consider all the work done so far to reduce that debt. owd nick
  • Score: 0

2:58pm Mon 11 Aug 14

GAZHAY says...

owd nick wrote:
Back to the story.

I think some points are being missed here guys;

FFP, which both Shaw and GB have said will take at least another season after this to comply with, being the main one.

I think (hope) that what Rovers have done over the last 12 months or so in offloading cost will go a long way to offset any penalties incurred, if we hadn't done anything we would have faced draconian fines and a transfer embargo, that may still be the case but I suspect that because of the work already carried out that any penalties will be suspended provided that agreed targets are met.

Venky's cannot simply throw money for playing staff at the club anymore, FFP stops that action dead in it's tracks, any money for players has to come from within the club, that would simply increase the debt and open us up to harsher sanctions.

Which is a bit daft when you consider all the work done so far to reduce that debt.
Agreed, but good point made by another poster that the wages that we pay for Varney who will hardly ever feature would have been better spent on a defender.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: Back to the story. I think some points are being missed here guys; FFP, which both Shaw and GB have said will take at least another season after this to comply with, being the main one. I think (hope) that what Rovers have done over the last 12 months or so in offloading cost will go a long way to offset any penalties incurred, if we hadn't done anything we would have faced draconian fines and a transfer embargo, that may still be the case but I suspect that because of the work already carried out that any penalties will be suspended provided that agreed targets are met. Venky's cannot simply throw money for playing staff at the club anymore, FFP stops that action dead in it's tracks, any money for players has to come from within the club, that would simply increase the debt and open us up to harsher sanctions. Which is a bit daft when you consider all the work done so far to reduce that debt.[/p][/quote]Agreed, but good point made by another poster that the wages that we pay for Varney who will hardly ever feature would have been better spent on a defender. GAZHAY
  • Score: 2

3:02pm Mon 11 Aug 14

owd nick says...

GAZHAY wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Back to the story.

I think some points are being missed here guys;

FFP, which both Shaw and GB have said will take at least another season after this to comply with, being the main one.

I think (hope) that what Rovers have done over the last 12 months or so in offloading cost will go a long way to offset any penalties incurred, if we hadn't done anything we would have faced draconian fines and a transfer embargo, that may still be the case but I suspect that because of the work already carried out that any penalties will be suspended provided that agreed targets are met.

Venky's cannot simply throw money for playing staff at the club anymore, FFP stops that action dead in it's tracks, any money for players has to come from within the club, that would simply increase the debt and open us up to harsher sanctions.

Which is a bit daft when you consider all the work done so far to reduce that debt.
Agreed, but good point made by another poster that the wages that we pay for Varney who will hardly ever feature would have been better spent on a defender.
Name a defender?
[quote][p][bold]GAZHAY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: Back to the story. I think some points are being missed here guys; FFP, which both Shaw and GB have said will take at least another season after this to comply with, being the main one. I think (hope) that what Rovers have done over the last 12 months or so in offloading cost will go a long way to offset any penalties incurred, if we hadn't done anything we would have faced draconian fines and a transfer embargo, that may still be the case but I suspect that because of the work already carried out that any penalties will be suspended provided that agreed targets are met. Venky's cannot simply throw money for playing staff at the club anymore, FFP stops that action dead in it's tracks, any money for players has to come from within the club, that would simply increase the debt and open us up to harsher sanctions. Which is a bit daft when you consider all the work done so far to reduce that debt.[/p][/quote]Agreed, but good point made by another poster that the wages that we pay for Varney who will hardly ever feature would have been better spent on a defender.[/p][/quote]Name a defender? owd nick
  • Score: -2

3:10pm Mon 11 Aug 14

greenscreener says...

owd nick wrote:
Bazzer wrote:
I wonder if new boy Chris Brown has ever turned out as a centre back?
Strangely enough I was thinking the same this morning.
Brown has always been a striker but Cory Evans has played Centre Back earlier in his career.

Tomorrow night is the prime time to give the young lads and squad players a run out, League Cup is nothing but a distraction this season.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazzer[/bold] wrote: I wonder if new boy Chris Brown has ever turned out as a centre back?[/p][/quote]Strangely enough I was thinking the same this morning.[/p][/quote]Brown has always been a striker but Cory Evans has played Centre Back earlier in his career. Tomorrow night is the prime time to give the young lads and squad players a run out, League Cup is nothing but a distraction this season. greenscreener
  • Score: 1

3:19pm Mon 11 Aug 14

owd nick says...

GAZHAY wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Back to the story.

I think some points are being missed here guys;

FFP, which both Shaw and GB have said will take at least another season after this to comply with, being the main one.

I think (hope) that what Rovers have done over the last 12 months or so in offloading cost will go a long way to offset any penalties incurred, if we hadn't done anything we would have faced draconian fines and a transfer embargo, that may still be the case but I suspect that because of the work already carried out that any penalties will be suspended provided that agreed targets are met.

Venky's cannot simply throw money for playing staff at the club anymore, FFP stops that action dead in it's tracks, any money for players has to come from within the club, that would simply increase the debt and open us up to harsher sanctions.

Which is a bit daft when you consider all the work done so far to reduce that debt.
Agreed, but good point made by another poster that the wages that we pay for Varney who will hardly ever feature would have been better spent on a defender.
We don't know if Varney will ever feature, he's obviously been brought in for experienced cover and if we get a spate of injuries, suspensions or both then he is likely to feature quite a lot.

It's a 46 game season possibly with three play off games.
[quote][p][bold]GAZHAY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: Back to the story. I think some points are being missed here guys; FFP, which both Shaw and GB have said will take at least another season after this to comply with, being the main one. I think (hope) that what Rovers have done over the last 12 months or so in offloading cost will go a long way to offset any penalties incurred, if we hadn't done anything we would have faced draconian fines and a transfer embargo, that may still be the case but I suspect that because of the work already carried out that any penalties will be suspended provided that agreed targets are met. Venky's cannot simply throw money for playing staff at the club anymore, FFP stops that action dead in it's tracks, any money for players has to come from within the club, that would simply increase the debt and open us up to harsher sanctions. Which is a bit daft when you consider all the work done so far to reduce that debt.[/p][/quote]Agreed, but good point made by another poster that the wages that we pay for Varney who will hardly ever feature would have been better spent on a defender.[/p][/quote]We don't know if Varney will ever feature, he's obviously been brought in for experienced cover and if we get a spate of injuries, suspensions or both then he is likely to feature quite a lot. It's a 46 game season possibly with three play off games. owd nick
  • Score: 0

3:21pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Richard Oakley says...

Jordan Spence

Debt is not the determining factor for FFP. Losses are. Transferring players offloads cost; paying them off does not.

Bowyer does not strike me as a man who plays a weakened team. I think he'll field the strongest team he can for Rovers.

It would be a serious and dangerous mistake to think the Football League is not in deadly earnest about implementing FFP. Penalties will be imposed and not deferred.

Rovers have two players who will be out of contract before the end of the calendar year in Robinson and Williamson. Robinson can't be offered anything like what he was on before and I seriously doubt Williamson's done enough to earn another. It would make sense to look to add cover now ahead of any transfer embargo.
Jordan Spence Debt is not the determining factor for FFP. Losses are. Transferring players offloads cost; paying them off does not. Bowyer does not strike me as a man who plays a weakened team. I think he'll field the strongest team he can for Rovers. It would be a serious and dangerous mistake to think the Football League is not in deadly earnest about implementing FFP. Penalties will be imposed and not deferred. Rovers have two players who will be out of contract before the end of the calendar year in Robinson and Williamson. Robinson can't be offered anything like what he was on before and I seriously doubt Williamson's done enough to earn another. It would make sense to look to add cover now ahead of any transfer embargo. Richard Oakley
  • Score: 3

3:23pm Mon 11 Aug 14

owd nick says...

Just picked up on Twitter that GB has been given permission to make a loan signing.
Just picked up on Twitter that GB has been given permission to make a loan signing. owd nick
  • Score: 0

3:26pm Mon 11 Aug 14

owd nick says...

Richard Oakley wrote:
Jordan Spence

Debt is not the determining factor for FFP. Losses are. Transferring players offloads cost; paying them off does not.

Bowyer does not strike me as a man who plays a weakened team. I think he'll field the strongest team he can for Rovers.

It would be a serious and dangerous mistake to think the Football League is not in deadly earnest about implementing FFP. Penalties will be imposed and not deferred.

Rovers have two players who will be out of contract before the end of the calendar year in Robinson and Williamson. Robinson can't be offered anything like what he was on before and I seriously doubt Williamson's done enough to earn another. It would make sense to look to add cover now ahead of any transfer embargo.
Quite correct, I mixed debt and losses up, my mistake.
[quote][p][bold]Richard Oakley[/bold] wrote: Jordan Spence Debt is not the determining factor for FFP. Losses are. Transferring players offloads cost; paying them off does not. Bowyer does not strike me as a man who plays a weakened team. I think he'll field the strongest team he can for Rovers. It would be a serious and dangerous mistake to think the Football League is not in deadly earnest about implementing FFP. Penalties will be imposed and not deferred. Rovers have two players who will be out of contract before the end of the calendar year in Robinson and Williamson. Robinson can't be offered anything like what he was on before and I seriously doubt Williamson's done enough to earn another. It would make sense to look to add cover now ahead of any transfer embargo.[/p][/quote]Quite correct, I mixed debt and losses up, my mistake. owd nick
  • Score: 0

3:46pm Mon 11 Aug 14

owd nick says...

Richard Oakley wrote:
Jordan Spence

Debt is not the determining factor for FFP. Losses are. Transferring players offloads cost; paying them off does not.

Bowyer does not strike me as a man who plays a weakened team. I think he'll field the strongest team he can for Rovers.

It would be a serious and dangerous mistake to think the Football League is not in deadly earnest about implementing FFP. Penalties will be imposed and not deferred.

Rovers have two players who will be out of contract before the end of the calendar year in Robinson and Williamson. Robinson can't be offered anything like what he was on before and I seriously doubt Williamson's done enough to earn another. It would make sense to look to add cover now ahead of any transfer embargo.
Doesn't matter if the FA is in deadly earnest or not, the precedence has been set regarding deferral of penalties with Manchester City and PSG.

I know they operate in different leagues that are not under the auspices of our pathetic FA which has painted itself into a corner on this one, but somewhere in the region of 70 to 75% of League clubs will fall foul of FFP, it isn't just Rovers.

Even the FA isn't stupid enough (I may regret saying that) to impose fines on clubs that are already in financial turmoil, putting many at risk of going under.

As for transfer embargo's, well, if they are in deadly earnest about imposing them on one club they have to impose them on all the other clubs that fail to comply.

As transfers play a huge part in generating cash flow I leave it to you to think that one through.

Manchester City have just spent £36 million on a player I have never heard of, they have signed 6 players so far this season despite having a nett transfer restriction of just £49 million imposed on them. (for the uninitiated that's a type of transfer embargo allowed).

The fines imposed on them will be taken from any earnings in European competition this coming season, provided that they comply with FFP within a 2 year period they will have between 50 to 60% of those fines returned to them, with interest.

As I said, precedence created.
[quote][p][bold]Richard Oakley[/bold] wrote: Jordan Spence Debt is not the determining factor for FFP. Losses are. Transferring players offloads cost; paying them off does not. Bowyer does not strike me as a man who plays a weakened team. I think he'll field the strongest team he can for Rovers. It would be a serious and dangerous mistake to think the Football League is not in deadly earnest about implementing FFP. Penalties will be imposed and not deferred. Rovers have two players who will be out of contract before the end of the calendar year in Robinson and Williamson. Robinson can't be offered anything like what he was on before and I seriously doubt Williamson's done enough to earn another. It would make sense to look to add cover now ahead of any transfer embargo.[/p][/quote]Doesn't matter if the FA is in deadly earnest or not, the precedence has been set regarding deferral of penalties with Manchester City and PSG. I know they operate in different leagues that are not under the auspices of our pathetic FA which has painted itself into a corner on this one, but somewhere in the region of 70 to 75% of League clubs will fall foul of FFP, it isn't just Rovers. Even the FA isn't stupid enough (I may regret saying that) to impose fines on clubs that are already in financial turmoil, putting many at risk of going under. As for transfer embargo's, well, if they are in deadly earnest about imposing them on one club they have to impose them on all the other clubs that fail to comply. As transfers play a huge part in generating cash flow I leave it to you to think that one through. Manchester City have just spent £36 million on a player I have never heard of, they have signed 6 players so far this season despite having a nett transfer restriction of just £49 million imposed on them. (for the uninitiated that's a type of transfer embargo allowed). The fines imposed on them will be taken from any earnings in European competition this coming season, provided that they comply with FFP within a 2 year period they will have between 50 to 60% of those fines returned to them, with interest. As I said, precedence created. owd nick
  • Score: -1

3:47pm Mon 11 Aug 14

TurfMoor Tom says...

Lets face it come January we are serious trouble. We may have made savings on the wage bill in reducing the squad size by getting rid of mostly bit-part players but that saving is dwarfed by the ridiculous fees we've paid out this year in contract cancellations not to mention the obscenity of a contract that money-grabbing weasel Jordan Rhodes is extracting from us. I've heard talk of a £53,000 a week 5 year contract totalling almost £14million in wages! Do you really see the FFP administrators looking kindly on that sort of business in the second division?

We lost over £35million last season and look likely to surpass that figure this time considering we're a further £8million down on parachute payments.

What a shambles we have become. I am truly ashamed of my club and all that it now stands for.
Lets face it come January we are serious trouble. We may have made savings on the wage bill in reducing the squad size by getting rid of mostly bit-part players but that saving is dwarfed by the ridiculous fees we've paid out this year in contract cancellations not to mention the obscenity of a contract that money-grabbing weasel Jordan Rhodes is extracting from us. I've heard talk of a £53,000 a week 5 year contract totalling almost £14million in wages! Do you really see the FFP administrators looking kindly on that sort of business in the second division? We lost over £35million last season and look likely to surpass that figure this time considering we're a further £8million down on parachute payments. What a shambles we have become. I am truly ashamed of my club and all that it now stands for. TurfMoor Tom
  • Score: -3

3:55pm Mon 11 Aug 14

A Darener says...

I see DD's twin's back.
I see DD's twin's back. A Darener
  • Score: 2

3:57pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Harwoodstblue says...

There are three parties who know what Rhodes earns.
Him, his agent and the club. Confidentiality will be written into the contract.
Those that claim to know otherwise are just bulsh itters. End of...
There are three parties who know what Rhodes earns. Him, his agent and the club. Confidentiality will be written into the contract. Those that claim to know otherwise are just bulsh itters. End of... Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 1

4:00pm Mon 11 Aug 14

TurfMoor Tom says...

owd nick wrote:
Richard Oakley wrote:
Jordan Spence

Debt is not the determining factor for FFP. Losses are. Transferring players offloads cost; paying them off does not.

Bowyer does not strike me as a man who plays a weakened team. I think he'll field the strongest team he can for Rovers.

It would be a serious and dangerous mistake to think the Football League is not in deadly earnest about implementing FFP. Penalties will be imposed and not deferred.

Rovers have two players who will be out of contract before the end of the calendar year in Robinson and Williamson. Robinson can't be offered anything like what he was on before and I seriously doubt Williamson's done enough to earn another. It would make sense to look to add cover now ahead of any transfer embargo.
Doesn't matter if the FA is in deadly earnest or not, the precedence has been set regarding deferral of penalties with Manchester City and PSG.

I know they operate in different leagues that are not under the auspices of our pathetic FA which has painted itself into a corner on this one, but somewhere in the region of 70 to 75% of League clubs will fall foul of FFP, it isn't just Rovers.

Even the FA isn't stupid enough (I may regret saying that) to impose fines on clubs that are already in financial turmoil, putting many at risk of going under.

As for transfer embargo's, well, if they are in deadly earnest about imposing them on one club they have to impose them on all the other clubs that fail to comply.

As transfers play a huge part in generating cash flow I leave it to you to think that one through.

Manchester City have just spent £36 million on a player I have never heard of, they have signed 6 players so far this season despite having a nett transfer restriction of just £49 million imposed on them. (for the uninitiated that's a type of transfer embargo allowed).

The fines imposed on them will be taken from any earnings in European competition this coming season, provided that they comply with FFP within a 2 year period they will have between 50 to 60% of those fines returned to them, with interest.

As I said, precedence created.
The trouble is we have had plenty of notice to get our house in order, a full two seasons since the agreements were made to bring in FFP, and we have simply failed to curb our spending. Many other clubs have reduced their wage bills and restructured as necessary during this preparation period but our lot have either not understood the implications or even worse assumed that the proposed sanctions would not go ahead.

Make no mistake we are now drifting down sh*t creek with only one paddle, and when our accounts are made public in December we'll be a laughingstock.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richard Oakley[/bold] wrote: Jordan Spence Debt is not the determining factor for FFP. Losses are. Transferring players offloads cost; paying them off does not. Bowyer does not strike me as a man who plays a weakened team. I think he'll field the strongest team he can for Rovers. It would be a serious and dangerous mistake to think the Football League is not in deadly earnest about implementing FFP. Penalties will be imposed and not deferred. Rovers have two players who will be out of contract before the end of the calendar year in Robinson and Williamson. Robinson can't be offered anything like what he was on before and I seriously doubt Williamson's done enough to earn another. It would make sense to look to add cover now ahead of any transfer embargo.[/p][/quote]Doesn't matter if the FA is in deadly earnest or not, the precedence has been set regarding deferral of penalties with Manchester City and PSG. I know they operate in different leagues that are not under the auspices of our pathetic FA which has painted itself into a corner on this one, but somewhere in the region of 70 to 75% of League clubs will fall foul of FFP, it isn't just Rovers. Even the FA isn't stupid enough (I may regret saying that) to impose fines on clubs that are already in financial turmoil, putting many at risk of going under. As for transfer embargo's, well, if they are in deadly earnest about imposing them on one club they have to impose them on all the other clubs that fail to comply. As transfers play a huge part in generating cash flow I leave it to you to think that one through. Manchester City have just spent £36 million on a player I have never heard of, they have signed 6 players so far this season despite having a nett transfer restriction of just £49 million imposed on them. (for the uninitiated that's a type of transfer embargo allowed). The fines imposed on them will be taken from any earnings in European competition this coming season, provided that they comply with FFP within a 2 year period they will have between 50 to 60% of those fines returned to them, with interest. As I said, precedence created.[/p][/quote]The trouble is we have had plenty of notice to get our house in order, a full two seasons since the agreements were made to bring in FFP, and we have simply failed to curb our spending. Many other clubs have reduced their wage bills and restructured as necessary during this preparation period but our lot have either not understood the implications or even worse assumed that the proposed sanctions would not go ahead. Make no mistake we are now drifting down sh*t creek with only one paddle, and when our accounts are made public in December we'll be a laughingstock. TurfMoor Tom
  • Score: -4

4:02pm Mon 11 Aug 14

A Darener says...

FFP....so we may have a transfer embargo. So what? We still have enough players to raise a team. End of!
FFP....so we may have a transfer embargo. So what? We still have enough players to raise a team. End of! A Darener
  • Score: 0

4:06pm Mon 11 Aug 14

owd nick says...

TurfMoor Tom wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Richard Oakley wrote:
Jordan Spence

Debt is not the determining factor for FFP. Losses are. Transferring players offloads cost; paying them off does not.

Bowyer does not strike me as a man who plays a weakened team. I think he'll field the strongest team he can for Rovers.

It would be a serious and dangerous mistake to think the Football League is not in deadly earnest about implementing FFP. Penalties will be imposed and not deferred.

Rovers have two players who will be out of contract before the end of the calendar year in Robinson and Williamson. Robinson can't be offered anything like what he was on before and I seriously doubt Williamson's done enough to earn another. It would make sense to look to add cover now ahead of any transfer embargo.
Doesn't matter if the FA is in deadly earnest or not, the precedence has been set regarding deferral of penalties with Manchester City and PSG.

I know they operate in different leagues that are not under the auspices of our pathetic FA which has painted itself into a corner on this one, but somewhere in the region of 70 to 75% of League clubs will fall foul of FFP, it isn't just Rovers.

Even the FA isn't stupid enough (I may regret saying that) to impose fines on clubs that are already in financial turmoil, putting many at risk of going under.

As for transfer embargo's, well, if they are in deadly earnest about imposing them on one club they have to impose them on all the other clubs that fail to comply.

As transfers play a huge part in generating cash flow I leave it to you to think that one through.

Manchester City have just spent £36 million on a player I have never heard of, they have signed 6 players so far this season despite having a nett transfer restriction of just £49 million imposed on them. (for the uninitiated that's a type of transfer embargo allowed).

The fines imposed on them will be taken from any earnings in European competition this coming season, provided that they comply with FFP within a 2 year period they will have between 50 to 60% of those fines returned to them, with interest.

As I said, precedence created.
The trouble is we have had plenty of notice to get our house in order, a full two seasons since the agreements were made to bring in FFP, and we have simply failed to curb our spending. Many other clubs have reduced their wage bills and restructured as necessary during this preparation period but our lot have either not understood the implications or even worse assumed that the proposed sanctions would not go ahead.

Make no mistake we are now drifting down sh*t creek with only one paddle, and when our accounts are made public in December we'll be a laughingstock.
I was talking to the organ grinder, not the monkey.
[quote][p][bold]TurfMoor Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richard Oakley[/bold] wrote: Jordan Spence Debt is not the determining factor for FFP. Losses are. Transferring players offloads cost; paying them off does not. Bowyer does not strike me as a man who plays a weakened team. I think he'll field the strongest team he can for Rovers. It would be a serious and dangerous mistake to think the Football League is not in deadly earnest about implementing FFP. Penalties will be imposed and not deferred. Rovers have two players who will be out of contract before the end of the calendar year in Robinson and Williamson. Robinson can't be offered anything like what he was on before and I seriously doubt Williamson's done enough to earn another. It would make sense to look to add cover now ahead of any transfer embargo.[/p][/quote]Doesn't matter if the FA is in deadly earnest or not, the precedence has been set regarding deferral of penalties with Manchester City and PSG. I know they operate in different leagues that are not under the auspices of our pathetic FA which has painted itself into a corner on this one, but somewhere in the region of 70 to 75% of League clubs will fall foul of FFP, it isn't just Rovers. Even the FA isn't stupid enough (I may regret saying that) to impose fines on clubs that are already in financial turmoil, putting many at risk of going under. As for transfer embargo's, well, if they are in deadly earnest about imposing them on one club they have to impose them on all the other clubs that fail to comply. As transfers play a huge part in generating cash flow I leave it to you to think that one through. Manchester City have just spent £36 million on a player I have never heard of, they have signed 6 players so far this season despite having a nett transfer restriction of just £49 million imposed on them. (for the uninitiated that's a type of transfer embargo allowed). The fines imposed on them will be taken from any earnings in European competition this coming season, provided that they comply with FFP within a 2 year period they will have between 50 to 60% of those fines returned to them, with interest. As I said, precedence created.[/p][/quote]The trouble is we have had plenty of notice to get our house in order, a full two seasons since the agreements were made to bring in FFP, and we have simply failed to curb our spending. Many other clubs have reduced their wage bills and restructured as necessary during this preparation period but our lot have either not understood the implications or even worse assumed that the proposed sanctions would not go ahead. Make no mistake we are now drifting down sh*t creek with only one paddle, and when our accounts are made public in December we'll be a laughingstock.[/p][/quote]I was talking to the organ grinder, not the monkey. owd nick
  • Score: 5

4:11pm Mon 11 Aug 14

owd nick says...

A Darener wrote:
FFP....so we may have a transfer embargo. So what? We still have enough players to raise a team. End of!
I transfer embargo can take several shapes.

- an outright embargo on buying players.
- an instruction to sell players.
- daft as it may sound an embargo on selling players.
- a restriction on spending to a set (nett) level.

I suspect the latter is the most likely outcome for most.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: FFP....so we may have a transfer embargo. So what? We still have enough players to raise a team. End of![/p][/quote]I transfer embargo can take several shapes. - an outright embargo on buying players. - an instruction to sell players. - daft as it may sound an embargo on selling players. - a restriction on spending to a set (nett) level. I suspect the latter is the most likely outcome for most. owd nick
  • Score: 1

4:16pm Mon 11 Aug 14

TurfMoor Tom says...

A Darener wrote:
FFP....so we may have a transfer embargo. So what? We still have enough players to raise a team. End of!
Oh dear, it appears you dont understand the severity of our current position.

We do have a team, but we also have to act to reduce our losses in order to be taken out of the transfer embargo, which means that our team will be further weakened from its already flimsy state.

Why bury your head in the sand?

We needed to act two years ago. Its too late to escape punishment now and we'll be a completely different club by the time we reach the other side.

The club needs to clarify our position. Do they even know whats heading our way?
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: FFP....so we may have a transfer embargo. So what? We still have enough players to raise a team. End of![/p][/quote]Oh dear, it appears you dont understand the severity of our current position. We do have a team, but we also have to act to reduce our losses in order to be taken out of the transfer embargo, which means that our team will be further weakened from its already flimsy state. Why bury your head in the sand? We needed to act two years ago. Its too late to escape punishment now and we'll be a completely different club by the time we reach the other side. The club needs to clarify our position. Do they even know whats heading our way? TurfMoor Tom
  • Score: -2

4:18pm Mon 11 Aug 14

A Darener says...

As long as we have eleven players to play that is all that matters, be it in this division or lower. What really needs to happen is the Venky's sell up ASAP.
As long as we have eleven players to play that is all that matters, be it in this division or lower. What really needs to happen is the Venky's sell up ASAP. A Darener
  • Score: -3

4:19pm Mon 11 Aug 14

darwen1946 says...

You could nt invent this !!!!!!!! One game in and Bowyer says " I will have ask owners for new faces " FFS
You could nt invent this !!!!!!!! One game in and Bowyer says " I will have ask owners for new faces " FFS darwen1946
  • Score: 3

4:21pm Mon 11 Aug 14

TurfMoor Tom says...

owd nick wrote:
A Darener wrote:
FFP....so we may have a transfer embargo. So what? We still have enough players to raise a team. End of!
I transfer embargo can take several shapes.

- an outright embargo on buying players.
- an instruction to sell players.
- daft as it may sound an embargo on selling players.
- a restriction on spending to a set (nett) level.

I suspect the latter is the most likely outcome for most.
Its already been defined. We can no longer buy players until we have reduced our losses from £35m to a maximum of £3m. How many seasons will that take?

In short, we are f@#ked.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: FFP....so we may have a transfer embargo. So what? We still have enough players to raise a team. End of![/p][/quote]I transfer embargo can take several shapes. - an outright embargo on buying players. - an instruction to sell players. - daft as it may sound an embargo on selling players. - a restriction on spending to a set (nett) level. I suspect the latter is the most likely outcome for most.[/p][/quote]Its already been defined. We can no longer buy players until we have reduced our losses from £35m to a maximum of £3m. How many seasons will that take? In short, we are f@#ked. TurfMoor Tom
  • Score: -3

4:25pm Mon 11 Aug 14

A Darener says...

The FA seem to have no idea as to the hornets nest they have disturbed.
An embargo on a club will have a ripple affect on all clubs, be they in profit or in loss. If you cannot buy a player then other teams cannot sell so all clubs will be penalised, to the detriment of all.
The FA seem to have no idea as to the hornets nest they have disturbed. An embargo on a club will have a ripple affect on all clubs, be they in profit or in loss. If you cannot buy a player then other teams cannot sell so all clubs will be penalised, to the detriment of all. A Darener
  • Score: 1

4:27pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Stone Island: says...

TurfMoor Tom wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Richard Oakley wrote:
Jordan Spence

Debt is not the determining factor for FFP. Losses are. Transferring players offloads cost; paying them off does not.

Bowyer does not strike me as a man who plays a weakened team. I think he'll field the strongest team he can for Rovers.

It would be a serious and dangerous mistake to think the Football League is not in deadly earnest about implementing FFP. Penalties will be imposed and not deferred.

Rovers have two players who will be out of contract before the end of the calendar year in Robinson and Williamson. Robinson can't be offered anything like what he was on before and I seriously doubt Williamson's done enough to earn another. It would make sense to look to add cover now ahead of any transfer embargo.
Doesn't matter if the FA is in deadly earnest or not, the precedence has been set regarding deferral of penalties with Manchester City and PSG.

I know they operate in different leagues that are not under the auspices of our pathetic FA which has painted itself into a corner on this one, but somewhere in the region of 70 to 75% of League clubs will fall foul of FFP, it isn't just Rovers.

Even the FA isn't stupid enough (I may regret saying that) to impose fines on clubs that are already in financial turmoil, putting many at risk of going under.

As for transfer embargo's, well, if they are in deadly earnest about imposing them on one club they have to impose them on all the other clubs that fail to comply.

As transfers play a huge part in generating cash flow I leave it to you to think that one through.

Manchester City have just spent £36 million on a player I have never heard of, they have signed 6 players so far this season despite having a nett transfer restriction of just £49 million imposed on them. (for the uninitiated that's a type of transfer embargo allowed).

The fines imposed on them will be taken from any earnings in European competition this coming season, provided that they comply with FFP within a 2 year period they will have between 50 to 60% of those fines returned to them, with interest.

As I said, precedence created.
The trouble is we have had plenty of notice to get our house in order, a full two seasons since the agreements were made to bring in FFP, and we have simply failed to curb our spending. Many other clubs have reduced their wage bills and restructured as necessary during this preparation period but our lot have either not understood the implications or even worse assumed that the proposed sanctions would not go ahead.

Make no mistake we are now drifting down sh*t creek with only one paddle, and when our accounts are made public in December we'll be a laughingstock.
Knob head.
[quote][p][bold]TurfMoor Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richard Oakley[/bold] wrote: Jordan Spence Debt is not the determining factor for FFP. Losses are. Transferring players offloads cost; paying them off does not. Bowyer does not strike me as a man who plays a weakened team. I think he'll field the strongest team he can for Rovers. It would be a serious and dangerous mistake to think the Football League is not in deadly earnest about implementing FFP. Penalties will be imposed and not deferred. Rovers have two players who will be out of contract before the end of the calendar year in Robinson and Williamson. Robinson can't be offered anything like what he was on before and I seriously doubt Williamson's done enough to earn another. It would make sense to look to add cover now ahead of any transfer embargo.[/p][/quote]Doesn't matter if the FA is in deadly earnest or not, the precedence has been set regarding deferral of penalties with Manchester City and PSG. I know they operate in different leagues that are not under the auspices of our pathetic FA which has painted itself into a corner on this one, but somewhere in the region of 70 to 75% of League clubs will fall foul of FFP, it isn't just Rovers. Even the FA isn't stupid enough (I may regret saying that) to impose fines on clubs that are already in financial turmoil, putting many at risk of going under. As for transfer embargo's, well, if they are in deadly earnest about imposing them on one club they have to impose them on all the other clubs that fail to comply. As transfers play a huge part in generating cash flow I leave it to you to think that one through. Manchester City have just spent £36 million on a player I have never heard of, they have signed 6 players so far this season despite having a nett transfer restriction of just £49 million imposed on them. (for the uninitiated that's a type of transfer embargo allowed). The fines imposed on them will be taken from any earnings in European competition this coming season, provided that they comply with FFP within a 2 year period they will have between 50 to 60% of those fines returned to them, with interest. As I said, precedence created.[/p][/quote]The trouble is we have had plenty of notice to get our house in order, a full two seasons since the agreements were made to bring in FFP, and we have simply failed to curb our spending. Many other clubs have reduced their wage bills and restructured as necessary during this preparation period but our lot have either not understood the implications or even worse assumed that the proposed sanctions would not go ahead. Make no mistake we are now drifting down sh*t creek with only one paddle, and when our accounts are made public in December we'll be a laughingstock.[/p][/quote]Knob head. Stone Island:
  • Score: 7

4:32pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Harwoodstblue says...

darwen1946 wrote:
You could nt invent this !!!!!!!! One game in and Bowyer says " I will have ask owners for new faces " FFS
Yes, we have had plenty of time to get the defence sorted. We all knew we were short if we got any injuries.. Now, here we are and only one game in.
[quote][p][bold]darwen1946[/bold] wrote: You could nt invent this !!!!!!!! One game in and Bowyer says " I will have ask owners for new faces " FFS[/p][/quote]Yes, we have had plenty of time to get the defence sorted. We all knew we were short if we got any injuries.. Now, here we are and only one game in. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 1

5:07pm Mon 11 Aug 14

J.C - Rishton says...

owd nick wrote:
Back to the story.

I think some points are being missed here guys;

FFP, which both Shaw and GB have said will take at least another season after this to comply with, being the main one.

I think (hope) that what Rovers have done over the last 12 months or so in offloading cost will go a long way to offset any penalties incurred, if we hadn't done anything we would have faced draconian fines and a transfer embargo, that may still be the case but I suspect that because of the work already carried out that any penalties will be suspended provided that agreed targets are met.

Venky's cannot simply throw money for playing staff at the club anymore, FFP stops that action dead in it's tracks, any money for players has to come from within the club, that would simply increase the debt and open us up to harsher sanctions.

Which is a bit daft when you consider all the work done so far to reduce that debt.
No NIck, the work done so far has NOT been to reduce the debt - the DEBT is ever INCREASING.

The offloading of the players so far has been to reduce the LOSSESS - which are still on going.

We lost £36m last year - this year we have reduced our posses to (only!!) £20m - thats still around £20m we have ADDED to our club debt.

Therefore if we don't get promoted this season (if we lost about £20m this year) we might have to find another £30m (THIRTY MILLION POUNDS) in savings over the next 15 months just to stay out of/get out of a transfer embarbo on 1st Jan 2016.

For months you and fans like you have blithly ingored or belittled fans who have been warning about the possible medium/longterm financial meltdown of Rovers - that day gets ever nearer whilst, after all our culling of all our deadwood we are still losing about £400,000 per week.

If the Venkys are so rich and we are their "Baby" then why do they "loan" the money to the club rather than just "gift" the club the money??

The ONLY possible response is that they intend to recoup all these "loans" (because that is what loan means) at some point in the future - ie they don't intend THEIR mis-management to cost them anything.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: Back to the story. I think some points are being missed here guys; FFP, which both Shaw and GB have said will take at least another season after this to comply with, being the main one. I think (hope) that what Rovers have done over the last 12 months or so in offloading cost will go a long way to offset any penalties incurred, if we hadn't done anything we would have faced draconian fines and a transfer embargo, that may still be the case but I suspect that because of the work already carried out that any penalties will be suspended provided that agreed targets are met. Venky's cannot simply throw money for playing staff at the club anymore, FFP stops that action dead in it's tracks, any money for players has to come from within the club, that would simply increase the debt and open us up to harsher sanctions. Which is a bit daft when you consider all the work done so far to reduce that debt.[/p][/quote]No NIck, the work done so far has NOT been to reduce the debt - the DEBT is ever INCREASING. The offloading of the players so far has been to reduce the LOSSESS - which are still on going. We lost £36m last year - this year we have reduced our posses to (only!!) £20m - thats still around £20m we have ADDED to our club debt. Therefore if we don't get promoted this season (if we lost about £20m this year) we might have to find another £30m (THIRTY MILLION POUNDS) in savings over the next 15 months just to stay out of/get out of a transfer embarbo on 1st Jan 2016. For months you and fans like you have blithly ingored or belittled fans who have been warning about the possible medium/longterm financial meltdown of Rovers - that day gets ever nearer whilst, after all our culling of all our deadwood we are still losing about £400,000 per week. If the Venkys are so rich and we are their "Baby" then why do they "loan" the money to the club rather than just "gift" the club the money?? The ONLY possible response is that they intend to recoup all these "loans" (because that is what loan means) at some point in the future - ie they don't intend THEIR mis-management to cost them anything. J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 3

5:09pm Mon 11 Aug 14

J.C - Rishton says...

A Darener wrote:
The FA seem to have no idea as to the hornets nest they have disturbed.
An embargo on a club will have a ripple affect on all clubs, be they in profit or in loss. If you cannot buy a player then other teams cannot sell so all clubs will be penalised, to the detriment of all.
It has nothing to do with the FA - every club in the championship had a vote on introducing FFP and they voted for it. Its called DEMOCRACY.

If we don't want to abide by the league democracy then we can always choose to leave and join another league.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: The FA seem to have no idea as to the hornets nest they have disturbed. An embargo on a club will have a ripple affect on all clubs, be they in profit or in loss. If you cannot buy a player then other teams cannot sell so all clubs will be penalised, to the detriment of all.[/p][/quote]It has nothing to do with the FA - every club in the championship had a vote on introducing FFP and they voted for it. Its called DEMOCRACY. If we don't want to abide by the league democracy then we can always choose to leave and join another league. J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 1

5:23pm Mon 11 Aug 14

A Darener says...

The rovers had no voice, opinion or say in the setting up of the FOOTBALL LEAGUE rules on FFP. They were agreed before we were relegated. We and other clubs affected tried to get some amendments incorporated, but were overruled by other clubs. This may be democratic, but it doesn't make it right.
The rovers had no voice, opinion or say in the setting up of the FOOTBALL LEAGUE rules on FFP. They were agreed before we were relegated. We and other clubs affected tried to get some amendments incorporated, but were overruled by other clubs. This may be democratic, but it doesn't make it right. A Darener
  • Score: 1

5:42pm Mon 11 Aug 14

jussy1307 says...

Chuck Norris' Roundhouse wrote:
dinglecrusher wrote:
I don't see what GB sees as far as Lowe is concerned

He is fine at full back but playing him centre mid means we push our best by a mile centre midfielder - i.e. Cairney - out wide where he is nowhere near as effective

GB has a worrying mindset re Lowe; I hope Venkys say "No" and force him to use Lowe at right back
So you want Venkys to interfere in team selection do you?

Righto then.
You really are the biggest tool on here!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Chuck Norris' Roundhouse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dinglecrusher[/bold] wrote: I don't see what GB sees as far as Lowe is concerned He is fine at full back but playing him centre mid means we push our best by a mile centre midfielder - i.e. Cairney - out wide where he is nowhere near as effective GB has a worrying mindset re Lowe; I hope Venkys say "No" and force him to use Lowe at right back[/p][/quote]So you want Venkys to interfere in team selection do you? Righto then.[/p][/quote]You really are the biggest tool on here!!!! jussy1307
  • Score: 1

5:43pm Mon 11 Aug 14

oggy 56 says...

Its Only a game boy wrote:
how many holes are there in blackburn Lancashire?
we know how many holes there are in burnley. one as its one bi sh.t hole.
[quote][p][bold]Its Only a game boy[/bold] wrote: how many holes are there in blackburn Lancashire?[/p][/quote]we know how many holes there are in burnley. one as its one bi sh.t hole. oggy 56
  • Score: 3

5:59pm Mon 11 Aug 14

oggy 56 says...

oggy 56 wrote:
Its Only a game boy wrote:
how many holes are there in blackburn Lancashire?
we know how many holes there are in burnley. one as its one bi sh.t hole.
that's big **** hole
[quote][p][bold]oggy 56[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Its Only a game boy[/bold] wrote: how many holes are there in blackburn Lancashire?[/p][/quote]we know how many holes there are in burnley. one as its one bi sh.t hole.[/p][/quote]that's big **** hole oggy 56
  • Score: 2

6:41pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Maxrus says...

A Darener wrote:
The rovers had no voice, opinion or say in the setting up of the FOOTBALL LEAGUE rules on FFP. They were agreed before we were relegated. We and other clubs affected tried to get some amendments incorporated, but were overruled by other clubs. This may be democratic, but it doesn't make it right.
Top comment Darener, still wondering whether Rovers and some other clubs (eg. QPR) will decide to try their cases in the high courts on this, it has been and still is the most ill conceived, idiotic regulation ever and eventually will only favour the bigger clubs who can always command 40k+ attendances, and I'm still convinced it will send some clubs to the wall - well done Football League, hope you're proud of yourselves.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: The rovers had no voice, opinion or say in the setting up of the FOOTBALL LEAGUE rules on FFP. They were agreed before we were relegated. We and other clubs affected tried to get some amendments incorporated, but were overruled by other clubs. This may be democratic, but it doesn't make it right.[/p][/quote]Top comment Darener, still wondering whether Rovers and some other clubs (eg. QPR) will decide to try their cases in the high courts on this, it has been and still is the most ill conceived, idiotic regulation ever and eventually will only favour the bigger clubs who can always command 40k+ attendances, and I'm still convinced it will send some clubs to the wall - well done Football League, hope you're proud of yourselves. Maxrus
  • Score: 2

7:00pm Mon 11 Aug 14

J.C - Rishton says...

A Darener wrote:
The rovers had no voice, opinion or say in the setting up of the FOOTBALL LEAGUE rules on FFP. They were agreed before we were relegated. We and other clubs affected tried to get some amendments incorporated, but were overruled by other clubs. This may be democratic, but it doesn't make it right.
Yes you are correct, we (BRFC) didnt get a vote as we were in the PL when that vote was taken - however, once relegated from the PL we could have refused to enter into the championship if we disagreed so strongly with FFP and tried to join a league further down the football league pyramid.

However, we chose to join the championship and therefore by proxy we agreed to accept the decision on the vote on FFP.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: The rovers had no voice, opinion or say in the setting up of the FOOTBALL LEAGUE rules on FFP. They were agreed before we were relegated. We and other clubs affected tried to get some amendments incorporated, but were overruled by other clubs. This may be democratic, but it doesn't make it right.[/p][/quote]Yes you are correct, we (BRFC) didnt get a vote as we were in the PL when that vote was taken - however, once relegated from the PL we could have refused to enter into the championship if we disagreed so strongly with FFP and tried to join a league further down the football league pyramid. However, we chose to join the championship and therefore by proxy we agreed to accept the decision on the vote on FFP. J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 0

7:07pm Mon 11 Aug 14

A Darener says...

As you say by joining the division we agreed to all the rules. But! That doesn't stop the club from trying to change the rules from within. The league need to listen to the concerns of all the clubs, not just those that voted for FFP. Those that voted for were only interested in their situation not the consequences for other clubs Now that faults in the system has been highlighted it should be possible to amend the rules. Only time will tell what will happen. But you can bet it won't be for the benefit of the small clubs.
As you say by joining the division we agreed to all the rules. But! That doesn't stop the club from trying to change the rules from within. The league need to listen to the concerns of all the clubs, not just those that voted for FFP. Those that voted for were only interested in their situation not the consequences for other clubs Now that faults in the system has been highlighted it should be possible to amend the rules. Only time will tell what will happen. But you can bet it won't be for the benefit of the small clubs. A Darener
  • Score: -1

7:08pm Mon 11 Aug 14

J.C - Rishton says...

Maxrus wrote:
A Darener wrote:
The rovers had no voice, opinion or say in the setting up of the FOOTBALL LEAGUE rules on FFP. They were agreed before we were relegated. We and other clubs affected tried to get some amendments incorporated, but were overruled by other clubs. This may be democratic, but it doesn't make it right.
Top comment Darener, still wondering whether Rovers and some other clubs (eg. QPR) will decide to try their cases in the high courts on this, it has been and still is the most ill conceived, idiotic regulation ever and eventually will only favour the bigger clubs who can always command 40k+ attendances, and I'm still convinced it will send some clubs to the wall - well done Football League, hope you're proud of yourselves.
What utter rubbish.

Its called DEMOCRACY - 20 football league clubs voted it in.

Also, whats it got to do with QPR ??? - they won't have a problem as they got promoted only 1 season after relegation and are therefore exempt from FFP sanctions.

Also, what clubs are talking about chalenging FFP in court - er, NON, infact, again only today GB is talking about our need to "comply with FFP regulations".

Also, its about time that Rovers fans on here realise that the FFP regulations were voted in so clubs with moronic, irresponsible owners (like the Venkys) who don't know how to run a football can't completely RUIN and BANKRUPT IT !!!!

ie it is there to protect clubs like BRFC from owners like Venkys!!!!

It has nothing to do with helping "bigger clubs" - infact many of the clubs that pushed FFP implementation were well run, British owned smaller budget clubs like Burnley and Bournemouth.
[quote][p][bold]Maxrus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: The rovers had no voice, opinion or say in the setting up of the FOOTBALL LEAGUE rules on FFP. They were agreed before we were relegated. We and other clubs affected tried to get some amendments incorporated, but were overruled by other clubs. This may be democratic, but it doesn't make it right.[/p][/quote]Top comment Darener, still wondering whether Rovers and some other clubs (eg. QPR) will decide to try their cases in the high courts on this, it has been and still is the most ill conceived, idiotic regulation ever and eventually will only favour the bigger clubs who can always command 40k+ attendances, and I'm still convinced it will send some clubs to the wall - well done Football League, hope you're proud of yourselves.[/p][/quote]What utter rubbish. Its called DEMOCRACY - 20 football league clubs voted it in. Also, whats it got to do with QPR ??? - they won't have a problem as they got promoted only 1 season after relegation and are therefore exempt from FFP sanctions. Also, what clubs are talking about chalenging FFP in court - er, NON, infact, again only today GB is talking about our need to "comply with FFP regulations". Also, its about time that Rovers fans on here realise that the FFP regulations were voted in so clubs with moronic, irresponsible owners (like the Venkys) who don't know how to run a football can't completely RUIN and BANKRUPT IT !!!! ie it is there to protect clubs like BRFC from owners like Venkys!!!! It has nothing to do with helping "bigger clubs" - infact many of the clubs that pushed FFP implementation were well run, British owned smaller budget clubs like Burnley and Bournemouth. J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 1

7:20pm Mon 11 Aug 14

J.C - Rishton says...

A Darener wrote:
As you say by joining the division we agreed to all the rules. But! That doesn't stop the club from trying to change the rules from within. The league need to listen to the concerns of all the clubs, not just those that voted for FFP. Those that voted for were only interested in their situation not the consequences for other clubs Now that faults in the system has been highlighted it should be possible to amend the rules. Only time will tell what will happen. But you can bet it won't be for the benefit of the small clubs.
Stop yer whinging - Venkys are killing this club and FFP maybe the only way to curb them.

When they took over we had a £23m overdraft/debt and approx £60m assets in player values. We were losing approx £4m per year.

Today we have around £80m debt/overdraft, player asset values of only £15-£20m and we are losing £16-£20m & (if we don't go up this season) we'll lose another £8m in parachute payments next summer.

And you are **** about the implementation of FFP ?????

Think about it - this could be the only thing that MAKES those cretins in India balance our books - or would you be happy if BRFC were forced to close forever?????

Technically the club is massively insolvent already - a fact that never seems to bother you and fans (???) like owd Nick (although how you can class yourself as a "fan" then not give a toss about the medium or longterm future of the club amazes me).

Make no mistake, if we don't go up (and no one can bank on that) then we are on the verge of financial breakdown - yes we are reducing our losses but no where near as fast as they need to - it is very likely we could and up like Portsmouth in the next 2 or 3 seasons (and thats by no means the worst case senario).

Stop moaning about FFP (something that could help our club) and focus on something that really matters to the club like our huge DEPT and our massive (unsustainable) LOSSESS !!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: As you say by joining the division we agreed to all the rules. But! That doesn't stop the club from trying to change the rules from within. The league need to listen to the concerns of all the clubs, not just those that voted for FFP. Those that voted for were only interested in their situation not the consequences for other clubs Now that faults in the system has been highlighted it should be possible to amend the rules. Only time will tell what will happen. But you can bet it won't be for the benefit of the small clubs.[/p][/quote]Stop yer whinging - Venkys are killing this club and FFP maybe the only way to curb them. When they took over we had a £23m overdraft/debt and approx £60m assets in player values. We were losing approx £4m per year. Today we have around £80m debt/overdraft, player asset values of only £15-£20m and we are losing £16-£20m & (if we don't go up this season) we'll lose another £8m in parachute payments next summer. And you are **** about the implementation of FFP ????? Think about it - this could be the only thing that MAKES those cretins in India balance our books - or would you be happy if BRFC were forced to close forever????? Technically the club is massively insolvent already - a fact that never seems to bother you and fans (???) like owd Nick (although how you can class yourself as a "fan" then not give a toss about the medium or longterm future of the club amazes me). Make no mistake, if we don't go up (and no one can bank on that) then we are on the verge of financial breakdown - yes we are reducing our losses but no where near as fast as they need to - it is very likely we could and up like Portsmouth in the next 2 or 3 seasons (and thats by no means the worst case senario). Stop moaning about FFP (something that could help our club) and focus on something that really matters to the club like our huge DEPT and our massive (unsustainable) LOSSESS !!!!!! J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 1

7:25pm Mon 11 Aug 14

A Darener says...

There is only one way we will be debt free and that is for the owners to pay it all off, sell up and get out.
There is only one way we will be debt free and that is for the owners to pay it all off, sell up and get out. A Darener
  • Score: -1

7:36pm Mon 11 Aug 14

J.C - Rishton says...

A Darener wrote:
There is only one way we will be debt free and that is for the owners to pay it all off, sell up and get out.
Yes, but those are much more important matters than FFP which could help us !!

Don't you get it ???? - If FFP isnt implemented then Venkys has free run to keep mismanaging Rovers, increasing the losses and therefore increasing OUR debt.

Then one day (1 yr, 2 yrs, 5 yrs 10 yrs) they'll bugger off when we're in a division or 2 lower than we are now and the club will have so much debt it may well not be able to carry on - is that a senario that any Rovers fan on here wants to risk???

Can you imagine in 10 years time, never being able to to watch Rovers on a Saturday afternoon or having to watch them play in the NW counties - the more our losses continue and our debts rise then these senarios become ever more likely.

If Venkys continue to refuse to take HARD financial decisions then FFP must be introduced to FORCE them to manage our affairs responsibly and sustainably
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: There is only one way we will be debt free and that is for the owners to pay it all off, sell up and get out.[/p][/quote]Yes, but those are much more important matters than FFP which could help us !! Don't you get it ???? - If FFP isnt implemented then Venkys has free run to keep mismanaging Rovers, increasing the losses and therefore increasing OUR debt. Then one day (1 yr, 2 yrs, 5 yrs 10 yrs) they'll bugger off when we're in a division or 2 lower than we are now and the club will have so much debt it may well not be able to carry on - is that a senario that any Rovers fan on here wants to risk??? Can you imagine in 10 years time, never being able to to watch Rovers on a Saturday afternoon or having to watch them play in the NW counties - the more our losses continue and our debts rise then these senarios become ever more likely. If Venkys continue to refuse to take HARD financial decisions then FFP must be introduced to FORCE them to manage our affairs responsibly and sustainably J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 2

7:40pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Angry From Accrington says...

owd nick wrote:
Chuck Norris' Roundhouse wrote:
modan wrote:
We need another defender keeper and a full back as i believe sixteen players have left the club this summer.We signed three players Baptiste Varney and Chris Brown. We could call Man Utd about the young lad Kean probably for loan for another season.
Our squad looks good but injuries to key players like Rhodes Cairney Conway Hanley and Robinson could be another disaster for Rovers for their promotion campaign .
Venkys are richest owner in Championship league i am sure money is no object as Venkys want Blackburn back in Premier League asap.

The world only superpower is USA by 2030 China, India and Russia will become new superpowers.Four superpowers are better than one.It's called fair play at the United Nation.
Population of
China 1.3 Billion people
India 1.2 Billion people
USA 322 million people
Russia 142 million people
Wow, just what the world needs, a superpower with around half a billion people living below the poverty line.
Now you are in trouble Chuck, I upset a few Indians on Twitter regarding the Anderson affair, they literally went ape when I pointed out that they still had a caste system and more people in poverty than the rest of the world put together.
I am surprised that they haven't gone ape at your suggestion that they went ape!
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chuck Norris' Roundhouse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]modan[/bold] wrote: We need another defender keeper and a full back as i believe sixteen players have left the club this summer.We signed three players Baptiste Varney and Chris Brown. We could call Man Utd about the young lad Kean probably for loan for another season. Our squad looks good but injuries to key players like Rhodes Cairney Conway Hanley and Robinson could be another disaster for Rovers for their promotion campaign . Venkys are richest owner in Championship league i am sure money is no object as Venkys want Blackburn back in Premier League asap. The world only superpower is USA by 2030 China, India and Russia will become new superpowers.Four superpowers are better than one.It's called fair play at the United Nation. Population of China 1.3 Billion people India 1.2 Billion people USA 322 million people Russia 142 million people[/p][/quote]Wow, just what the world needs, a superpower with around half a billion people living below the poverty line.[/p][/quote]Now you are in trouble Chuck, I upset a few Indians on Twitter regarding the Anderson affair, they literally went ape when I pointed out that they still had a caste system and more people in poverty than the rest of the world put together.[/p][/quote]I am surprised that they haven't gone ape at your suggestion that they went ape! Angry From Accrington
  • Score: 1

7:46pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Angry From Accrington says...

TurfMoor Tom wrote:
Lets face it come January we are serious trouble. We may have made savings on the wage bill in reducing the squad size by getting rid of mostly bit-part players but that saving is dwarfed by the ridiculous fees we've paid out this year in contract cancellations not to mention the obscenity of a contract that money-grabbing weasel Jordan Rhodes is extracting from us. I've heard talk of a £53,000 a week 5 year contract totalling almost £14million in wages! Do you really see the FFP administrators looking kindly on that sort of business in the second division?

We lost over £35million last season and look likely to surpass that figure this time considering we're a further £8million down on parachute payments.

What a shambles we have become. I am truly ashamed of my club and all that it now stands for.
You are not funny any more............in fact, you never were. I can't even be bothered with a sarcastic or ironic response so just **** off will you?
[quote][p][bold]TurfMoor Tom[/bold] wrote: Lets face it come January we are serious trouble. We may have made savings on the wage bill in reducing the squad size by getting rid of mostly bit-part players but that saving is dwarfed by the ridiculous fees we've paid out this year in contract cancellations not to mention the obscenity of a contract that money-grabbing weasel Jordan Rhodes is extracting from us. I've heard talk of a £53,000 a week 5 year contract totalling almost £14million in wages! Do you really see the FFP administrators looking kindly on that sort of business in the second division? We lost over £35million last season and look likely to surpass that figure this time considering we're a further £8million down on parachute payments. What a shambles we have become. I am truly ashamed of my club and all that it now stands for.[/p][/quote]You are not funny any more............in fact, you never were. I can't even be bothered with a sarcastic or ironic response so just **** off will you? Angry From Accrington
  • Score: 2

7:48pm Mon 11 Aug 14

A Darener says...

As others before me have said, the debt is mostly owed to the Venky's. They will be using the debt as a tax incentive to lower their tax liabilities. So it is of no consequence how much the debt is at this stage. They could get rid of it tomorrow if they wished. FFP is to do with income and expenditure, not debt. I agree that this must be controlled but not at the expense of hogtieing the club.
As others before me have said, the debt is mostly owed to the Venky's. They will be using the debt as a tax incentive to lower their tax liabilities. So it is of no consequence how much the debt is at this stage. They could get rid of it tomorrow if they wished. FFP is to do with income and expenditure, not debt. I agree that this must be controlled but not at the expense of hogtieing the club. A Darener
  • Score: 0

7:51pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Angry From Accrington says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
A Darener wrote:
As you say by joining the division we agreed to all the rules. But! That doesn't stop the club from trying to change the rules from within. The league need to listen to the concerns of all the clubs, not just those that voted for FFP. Those that voted for were only interested in their situation not the consequences for other clubs Now that faults in the system has been highlighted it should be possible to amend the rules. Only time will tell what will happen. But you can bet it won't be for the benefit of the small clubs.
Stop yer whinging - Venkys are killing this club and FFP maybe the only way to curb them.

When they took over we had a £23m overdraft/debt and approx £60m assets in player values. We were losing approx £4m per year.

Today we have around £80m debt/overdraft, player asset values of only £15-£20m and we are losing £16-£20m & (if we don't go up this season) we'll lose another £8m in parachute payments next summer.

And you are **** about the implementation of FFP ?????

Think about it - this could be the only thing that MAKES those cretins in India balance our books - or would you be happy if BRFC were forced to close forever?????

Technically the club is massively insolvent already - a fact that never seems to bother you and fans (???) like owd Nick (although how you can class yourself as a "fan" then not give a toss about the medium or longterm future of the club amazes me).

Make no mistake, if we don't go up (and no one can bank on that) then we are on the verge of financial breakdown - yes we are reducing our losses but no where near as fast as they need to - it is very likely we could and up like Portsmouth in the next 2 or 3 seasons (and thats by no means the worst case senario).

Stop moaning about FFP (something that could help our club) and focus on something that really matters to the club like our huge DEPT and our massive (unsustainable) LOSSESS !!!!!!
And your solution is?
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: As you say by joining the division we agreed to all the rules. But! That doesn't stop the club from trying to change the rules from within. The league need to listen to the concerns of all the clubs, not just those that voted for FFP. Those that voted for were only interested in their situation not the consequences for other clubs Now that faults in the system has been highlighted it should be possible to amend the rules. Only time will tell what will happen. But you can bet it won't be for the benefit of the small clubs.[/p][/quote]Stop yer whinging - Venkys are killing this club and FFP maybe the only way to curb them. When they took over we had a £23m overdraft/debt and approx £60m assets in player values. We were losing approx £4m per year. Today we have around £80m debt/overdraft, player asset values of only £15-£20m and we are losing £16-£20m & (if we don't go up this season) we'll lose another £8m in parachute payments next summer. And you are **** about the implementation of FFP ????? Think about it - this could be the only thing that MAKES those cretins in India balance our books - or would you be happy if BRFC were forced to close forever????? Technically the club is massively insolvent already - a fact that never seems to bother you and fans (???) like owd Nick (although how you can class yourself as a "fan" then not give a toss about the medium or longterm future of the club amazes me). Make no mistake, if we don't go up (and no one can bank on that) then we are on the verge of financial breakdown - yes we are reducing our losses but no where near as fast as they need to - it is very likely we could and up like Portsmouth in the next 2 or 3 seasons (and thats by no means the worst case senario). Stop moaning about FFP (something that could help our club) and focus on something that really matters to the club like our huge DEPT and our massive (unsustainable) LOSSESS !!!!!![/p][/quote]And your solution is? Angry From Accrington
  • Score: 0

8:54pm Mon 11 Aug 14

TurfMoor Tom says...

A Darener wrote:
As others before me have said, the debt is mostly owed to the Venky's. They will be using the debt as a tax incentive to lower their tax liabilities. So it is of no consequence how much the debt is at this stage. They could get rid of it tomorrow if they wished. FFP is to do with income and expenditure, not debt. I agree that this must be controlled but not at the expense of hogtieing the club.
"They will be using the debt as a tax incentive to lower their tax liabilities. So it is of no consequence how much the debt is at this stage"

Oh dear me. Deary deary me.

This is exactly why our club is going to go under. Your understanding of the severity of the position we are in is absolutely zero.

As our learned friend JC Rishton has clearly pointed out in terms that you should be capable of understanding, we as a club are finished if something isn't done immediately.

To say an £80million debt has no bearing is deluded nonsense. We are paying a fortune just to service the debt annually, some of the loan is interest free, some is not. We need to rid ourselves of the debt and begin to operate within our means or we are quite simply history. If we act now this will take many years to achieve, if we don't act then we may never recover.

We will make Portsmouth look like Manchester City in a few years such is the level of mismanagement going on at our club. To think otherwise is just burying your head in the sand, which is all you and many other contributors on here do at the moment.

We cant hide from it. FFP is not here to damage us, its here to prevent us from further damaging ourselves.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: As others before me have said, the debt is mostly owed to the Venky's. They will be using the debt as a tax incentive to lower their tax liabilities. So it is of no consequence how much the debt is at this stage. They could get rid of it tomorrow if they wished. FFP is to do with income and expenditure, not debt. I agree that this must be controlled but not at the expense of hogtieing the club.[/p][/quote]"They will be using the debt as a tax incentive to lower their tax liabilities. So it is of no consequence how much the debt is at this stage" Oh dear me. Deary deary me. This is exactly why our club is going to go under. Your understanding of the severity of the position we are in is absolutely zero. As our learned friend JC Rishton has clearly pointed out in terms that you should be capable of understanding, we as a club are finished if something isn't done immediately. To say an £80million debt has no bearing is deluded nonsense. We are paying a fortune just to service the debt annually, some of the loan is interest free, some is not. We need to rid ourselves of the debt and begin to operate within our means or we are quite simply history. If we act now this will take many years to achieve, if we don't act then we may never recover. We will make Portsmouth look like Manchester City in a few years such is the level of mismanagement going on at our club. To think otherwise is just burying your head in the sand, which is all you and many other contributors on here do at the moment. We cant hide from it. FFP is not here to damage us, its here to prevent us from further damaging ourselves. TurfMoor Tom
  • Score: 0

8:59pm Mon 11 Aug 14

modan says...

Chuck Norris' Roundhouse wrote:
modan wrote:
We need another defender keeper and a full back as i believe sixteen players have left the club this summer.We signed three players Baptiste Varney and Chris Brown. We could call Man Utd about the young lad Kean probably for loan for another season.
Our squad looks good but injuries to key players like Rhodes Cairney Conway Hanley and Robinson could be another disaster for Rovers for their promotion campaign .
Venkys are richest owner in Championship league i am sure money is no object as Venkys want Blackburn back in Premier League asap.

The world only superpower is USA by 2030 China, India and Russia will become new superpowers.Four superpowers are better than one.It's called fair play at the United Nation.
Population of
China 1.3 Billion people
India 1.2 Billion people
USA 322 million people
Russia 142 million people
Wow, just what the world needs, a superpower with around half a billion people living below the poverty line.
There will be no poverty in China India and Russia by 2030 as the economy in 2030
China's GNP 53 Trillion Dollars
USA GNP 38 Trillion Dollars
India GNP 15 Trillion Dollars
Japan GNP 9 Trillion Dollars
The world will live four superpowers and EU is just club of small countries in Europe.
There are three football clubs owned by three billionaires from Indian subcontinent
QPR FC is owned by Indian Billionaire Laxmi Mittal worth £10 Billion
Blackburn Rovers FC owners Venkys of India worth £3 Billion
Fulham owner Pakistani Billionaire Shahid Khan worth £1.9 Billion.
[quote][p][bold]Chuck Norris' Roundhouse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]modan[/bold] wrote: We need another defender keeper and a full back as i believe sixteen players have left the club this summer.We signed three players Baptiste Varney and Chris Brown. We could call Man Utd about the young lad Kean probably for loan for another season. Our squad looks good but injuries to key players like Rhodes Cairney Conway Hanley and Robinson could be another disaster for Rovers for their promotion campaign . Venkys are richest owner in Championship league i am sure money is no object as Venkys want Blackburn back in Premier League asap. The world only superpower is USA by 2030 China, India and Russia will become new superpowers.Four superpowers are better than one.It's called fair play at the United Nation. Population of China 1.3 Billion people India 1.2 Billion people USA 322 million people Russia 142 million people[/p][/quote]Wow, just what the world needs, a superpower with around half a billion people living below the poverty line.[/p][/quote]There will be no poverty in China India and Russia by 2030 as the economy in 2030 China's GNP 53 Trillion Dollars USA GNP 38 Trillion Dollars India GNP 15 Trillion Dollars Japan GNP 9 Trillion Dollars The world will live four superpowers and EU is just club of small countries in Europe. There are three football clubs owned by three billionaires from Indian subcontinent QPR FC is owned by Indian Billionaire Laxmi Mittal worth £10 Billion Blackburn Rovers FC owners Venkys of India worth £3 Billion Fulham owner Pakistani Billionaire Shahid Khan worth £1.9 Billion. modan
  • Score: 0

9:05pm Mon 11 Aug 14

A Darener says...

FFP is designed to get the rich clubs richer and the rest nowhere. The top four or five clubs in this country and the top clubs in Europe could wipe out the debts of all the other clubs in every league in the blink of an eye.
FFP is designed to get the rich clubs richer and the rest nowhere. The top four or five clubs in this country and the top clubs in Europe could wipe out the debts of all the other clubs in every league in the blink of an eye. A Darener
  • Score: 1

9:13pm Mon 11 Aug 14

TurfMoor Tom says...

A Darener wrote:
FFP is designed to get the rich clubs richer and the rest nowhere. The top four or five clubs in this country and the top clubs in Europe could wipe out the debts of all the other clubs in every league in the blink of an eye.
Wrong.

FFP rules were brought in to prevent professional football clubs spending more than they earn in the pursuit of success and in doing so getting into financial problems which might threaten their long term survival.

This is a good thing for the long term future of the game. It's a bad thing however for clubs like us that have been mismanaged and overspent obscenely for years. We now have to pay up.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: FFP is designed to get the rich clubs richer and the rest nowhere. The top four or five clubs in this country and the top clubs in Europe could wipe out the debts of all the other clubs in every league in the blink of an eye.[/p][/quote]Wrong. FFP rules were brought in to prevent professional football clubs spending more than they earn in the pursuit of success and in doing so getting into financial problems which might threaten their long term survival. This is a good thing for the long term future of the game. It's a bad thing however for clubs like us that have been mismanaged and overspent obscenely for years. We now have to pay up. TurfMoor Tom
  • Score: 0

9:20pm Mon 11 Aug 14

A Darener says...

That was a party political broadcast on behalf of the FFP party.

We have not been mismanaged for years. We were an example to all clubs on how to be managed as a small town club. No other club of our size could have achieved what we did. Only the rich clubs can now win the PL, how is that fair?
Plus It is only since the Venky's bought the club and listened to advice from people who only had their own interests at heart that things went pear shaped.
That was a party political broadcast on behalf of the FFP party. We have not been mismanaged for years. We were an example to all clubs on how to be managed as a small town club. No other club of our size could have achieved what we did. Only the rich clubs can now win the PL, how is that fair? Plus It is only since the Venky's bought the club and listened to advice from people who only had their own interests at heart that things went pear shaped. A Darener
  • Score: 2

9:28pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Maxrus says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
A Darener wrote:
As you say by joining the division we agreed to all the rules. But! That doesn't stop the club from trying to change the rules from within. The league need to listen to the concerns of all the clubs, not just those that voted for FFP. Those that voted for were only interested in their situation not the consequences for other clubs Now that faults in the system has been highlighted it should be possible to amend the rules. Only time will tell what will happen. But you can bet it won't be for the benefit of the small clubs.
Stop yer whinging - Venkys are killing this club and FFP maybe the only way to curb them.

When they took over we had a £23m overdraft/debt and approx £60m assets in player values. We were losing approx £4m per year.

Today we have around £80m debt/overdraft, player asset values of only £15-£20m and we are losing £16-£20m & (if we don't go up this season) we'll lose another £8m in parachute payments next summer.

And you are **** about the implementation of FFP ?????

Think about it - this could be the only thing that MAKES those cretins in India balance our books - or would you be happy if BRFC were forced to close forever?????

Technically the club is massively insolvent already - a fact that never seems to bother you and fans (???) like owd Nick (although how you can class yourself as a "fan" then not give a toss about the medium or longterm future of the club amazes me).

Make no mistake, if we don't go up (and no one can bank on that) then we are on the verge of financial breakdown - yes we are reducing our losses but no where near as fast as they need to - it is very likely we could and up like Portsmouth in the next 2 or 3 seasons (and thats by no means the worst case senario).

Stop moaning about FFP (something that could help our club) and focus on something that really matters to the club like our huge DEPT and our massive (unsustainable) LOSSESS !!!!!!
Jeez, would hate to be at the same party as you JC.

You seem to revel in your Armageddon appraisal of all things FFP.

YOU, like us have no idea how the Venky's are going to tackle this, so don't go thinking you have a crystal ball on such matters.

The way you are banging on 'the end is nigh' you'd even put the 'expert' Dingle trolls to shame!

And what gives you the right to question true fan's loyalties to their club???? Yes, I too can tap in lots of question marks.

Go take a bloody chill pill and have a lie down until of course FFP raises it's head again.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: As you say by joining the division we agreed to all the rules. But! That doesn't stop the club from trying to change the rules from within. The league need to listen to the concerns of all the clubs, not just those that voted for FFP. Those that voted for were only interested in their situation not the consequences for other clubs Now that faults in the system has been highlighted it should be possible to amend the rules. Only time will tell what will happen. But you can bet it won't be for the benefit of the small clubs.[/p][/quote]Stop yer whinging - Venkys are killing this club and FFP maybe the only way to curb them. When they took over we had a £23m overdraft/debt and approx £60m assets in player values. We were losing approx £4m per year. Today we have around £80m debt/overdraft, player asset values of only £15-£20m and we are losing £16-£20m & (if we don't go up this season) we'll lose another £8m in parachute payments next summer. And you are **** about the implementation of FFP ????? Think about it - this could be the only thing that MAKES those cretins in India balance our books - or would you be happy if BRFC were forced to close forever????? Technically the club is massively insolvent already - a fact that never seems to bother you and fans (???) like owd Nick (although how you can class yourself as a "fan" then not give a toss about the medium or longterm future of the club amazes me). Make no mistake, if we don't go up (and no one can bank on that) then we are on the verge of financial breakdown - yes we are reducing our losses but no where near as fast as they need to - it is very likely we could and up like Portsmouth in the next 2 or 3 seasons (and thats by no means the worst case senario). Stop moaning about FFP (something that could help our club) and focus on something that really matters to the club like our huge DEPT and our massive (unsustainable) LOSSESS !!!!!![/p][/quote]Jeez, would hate to be at the same party as you JC. You seem to revel in your Armageddon appraisal of all things FFP. YOU, like us have no idea how the Venky's are going to tackle this, so don't go thinking you have a crystal ball on such matters. The way you are banging on 'the end is nigh' you'd even put the 'expert' Dingle trolls to shame! And what gives you the right to question true fan's loyalties to their club???? Yes, I too can tap in lots of question marks. Go take a bloody chill pill and have a lie down until of course FFP raises it's head again. Maxrus
  • Score: 0

9:31pm Mon 11 Aug 14

TurfMoor Tom says...

A Darener wrote:
That was a party political broadcast on behalf of the FFP party.

We have not been mismanaged for years. We were an example to all clubs on how to be managed as a small town club. No other club of our size could have achieved what we did. Only the rich clubs can now win the PL, how is that fair?
Plus It is only since the Venky's bought the club and listened to advice from people who only had their own interests at heart that things went pear shaped.
"We have not been mismanaged for years"

Then why are we now in the second division, approximately £80million in debt, losing over £35million a season, having sold or paid off all of our assets of value, and facing a transfer embargo for non-compliance with the financial rules that apply to all clubs who agree to membership of the football league?

Does that not qualify as mismanagement to you?

We are up sh*t creek my friend.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: That was a party political broadcast on behalf of the FFP party. We have not been mismanaged for years. We were an example to all clubs on how to be managed as a small town club. No other club of our size could have achieved what we did. Only the rich clubs can now win the PL, how is that fair? Plus It is only since the Venky's bought the club and listened to advice from people who only had their own interests at heart that things went pear shaped.[/p][/quote]"We have not been mismanaged for years" Then why are we now in the second division, approximately £80million in debt, losing over £35million a season, having sold or paid off all of our assets of value, and facing a transfer embargo for non-compliance with the financial rules that apply to all clubs who agree to membership of the football league? Does that not qualify as mismanagement to you? We are up sh*t creek my friend. TurfMoor Tom
  • Score: -1

9:34pm Mon 11 Aug 14

A Darener says...

We have only been mismanaged since the Venky's bought us!
We have only been mismanaged since the Venky's bought us! A Darener
  • Score: -1

9:47pm Mon 11 Aug 14

TurfMoor Tom says...

A Darener wrote:
We have only been mismanaged since the Venky's bought us!
They bought us in November 2010, almost 4 years ago. Hence we have been mismanaged for years.

The real damage however was done long before, all those years of overspending are now coming back to bite us on the behind, all those years of living beyond our means thinking we were better than everyone else. All those years living out of the pocket of Jack Walker and then the Walker Trust who continued to fund our false position.

We as a club never paid for any of that, we never earn't it, it was all given to us. That my friend is also mismanagement. How can you expect a club to become self sufficient when you've funded it completely for so many years and then decide to pull the plug.

Everything we had was bought and paid for by Walker.

And then who sold us to the Venky's? You guessed it, the very same Walker family that considered us such a drain on their finances that they would rather see old Jack's pride and joy turned over to a bunch of Indian Chicken farmers.

Let's face it we're on a one way trip to the lower leagues when we finally make sufficient adjustments in order to comply with FFP. But it must be done if we are to survive longer term, there is no point hiding from it.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: We have only been mismanaged since the Venky's bought us![/p][/quote]They bought us in November 2010, almost 4 years ago. Hence we have been mismanaged for years. The real damage however was done long before, all those years of overspending are now coming back to bite us on the behind, all those years of living beyond our means thinking we were better than everyone else. All those years living out of the pocket of Jack Walker and then the Walker Trust who continued to fund our false position. We as a club never paid for any of that, we never earn't it, it was all given to us. That my friend is also mismanagement. How can you expect a club to become self sufficient when you've funded it completely for so many years and then decide to pull the plug. Everything we had was bought and paid for by Walker. And then who sold us to the Venky's? You guessed it, the very same Walker family that considered us such a drain on their finances that they would rather see old Jack's pride and joy turned over to a bunch of Indian Chicken farmers. Let's face it we're on a one way trip to the lower leagues when we finally make sufficient adjustments in order to comply with FFP. But it must be done if we are to survive longer term, there is no point hiding from it. TurfMoor Tom
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9:52pm Mon 11 Aug 14

A Darener says...

TM T...you obviously are a Rovers fan of the modern era. You don't realise how lucky you are to have see the Rovers in the last twenty years.
I can remember when they didn't even have enough money to pay the milk bill. When we had to use outside loos open to the elements. When there was no cover over the stands. And we got soaked. When they trained in a public park or on a cinder pitch full of cat muck. When the river rose and drains backed up and flooded the pitch. When braziers had to be used to nuthatch a frozen pitch. When fans shovelled snow off the ground to get a game on.
You don't think we are bothered about a little thing like FFP. We have seen it all over the years and we are still here. We will still be here many years in the future. It may not be at the top but it will be somewhere.
TM T...you obviously are a Rovers fan of the modern era. You don't realise how lucky you are to have see the Rovers in the last twenty years. I can remember when they didn't even have enough money to pay the milk bill. When we had to use outside loos open to the elements. When there was no cover over the stands. And we got soaked. When they trained in a public park or on a cinder pitch full of cat muck. When the river rose and drains backed up and flooded the pitch. When braziers had to be used to nuthatch a frozen pitch. When fans shovelled snow off the ground to get a game on. You don't think we are bothered about a little thing like FFP. We have seen it all over the years and we are still here. We will still be here many years in the future. It may not be at the top but it will be somewhere. A Darener
  • Score: 0

9:55pm Mon 11 Aug 14

A Darener says...

Sorry I thought you were a Rovers fan but you are just a Dingle troll. My mistake. No true Rovers fan would defame the name of Uncle Jack. Now clear off these pages and crawl back in under your stone.
Sorry I thought you were a Rovers fan but you are just a Dingle troll. My mistake. No true Rovers fan would defame the name of Uncle Jack. Now clear off these pages and crawl back in under your stone. A Darener
  • Score: 1

10:02pm Mon 11 Aug 14

TurfMoor Tom says...

A Darener wrote:
TM T...you obviously are a Rovers fan of the modern era. You don't realise how lucky you are to have see the Rovers in the last twenty years.
I can remember when they didn't even have enough money to pay the milk bill. When we had to use outside loos open to the elements. When there was no cover over the stands. And we got soaked. When they trained in a public park or on a cinder pitch full of cat muck. When the river rose and drains backed up and flooded the pitch. When braziers had to be used to nuthatch a frozen pitch. When fans shovelled snow off the ground to get a game on.
You don't think we are bothered about a little thing like FFP. We have seen it all over the years and we are still here. We will still be here many years in the future. It may not be at the top but it will be somewhere.
And we shall soon return to this if action isn't taken.

The question is, do you trust the Venky's to handle to most critical spell in the history of our club?
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: TM T...you obviously are a Rovers fan of the modern era. You don't realise how lucky you are to have see the Rovers in the last twenty years. I can remember when they didn't even have enough money to pay the milk bill. When we had to use outside loos open to the elements. When there was no cover over the stands. And we got soaked. When they trained in a public park or on a cinder pitch full of cat muck. When the river rose and drains backed up and flooded the pitch. When braziers had to be used to nuthatch a frozen pitch. When fans shovelled snow off the ground to get a game on. You don't think we are bothered about a little thing like FFP. We have seen it all over the years and we are still here. We will still be here many years in the future. It may not be at the top but it will be somewhere.[/p][/quote]And we shall soon return to this if action isn't taken. The question is, do you trust the Venky's to handle to most critical spell in the history of our club? TurfMoor Tom
  • Score: -1

10:06pm Mon 11 Aug 14

A Darener says...

I wouldn't trust the Venky's to tell me whether the sky is blue. That is why I want them out ASAP. But we are stuck with them, so all we can hope is that they continue to learn from their mistakes and keep us going until a better owner is forthcoming.
I wouldn't trust the Venky's to tell me whether the sky is blue. That is why I want them out ASAP. But we are stuck with them, so all we can hope is that they continue to learn from their mistakes and keep us going until a better owner is forthcoming. A Darener
  • Score: 1

10:12pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Still a Wild Rover says...

JC is and always has been one of the Troll identities, End Of
Funny how the doom mongering troll goes into overdrive when ever we look like making progress
FFP will kill the league not just Rovers.Transfers make the world go round in football and the FL have not thought this through
meanwhile, GB is doing a cracking job
JC is and always has been one of the Troll identities, End Of Funny how the doom mongering troll goes into overdrive when ever we look like making progress FFP will kill the league not just Rovers.Transfers make the world go round in football and the FL have not thought this through meanwhile, GB is doing a cracking job Still a Wild Rover
  • Score: 0

10:16pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Bazzer says...

greenscreener wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Bazzer wrote: I wonder if new boy Chris Brown has ever turned out as a centre back?
Strangely enough I was thinking the same this morning.
Brown has always been a striker but Cory Evans has played Centre Back earlier in his career. Tomorrow night is the prime time to give the young lads and squad players a run out, League Cup is nothing but a distraction this season.
You are right about youngsters having a run out. In particular O'Connell. But I am not surprised we were outdone by Cardiff by their big lad up front and from a set piece.
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazzer[/bold] wrote: I wonder if new boy Chris Brown has ever turned out as a centre back?[/p][/quote]Strangely enough I was thinking the same this morning.[/p][/quote]Brown has always been a striker but Cory Evans has played Centre Back earlier in his career. Tomorrow night is the prime time to give the young lads and squad players a run out, League Cup is nothing but a distraction this season.[/p][/quote]You are right about youngsters having a run out. In particular O'Connell. But I am not surprised we were outdone by Cardiff by their big lad up front and from a set piece. Bazzer
  • Score: 0

10:17pm Mon 11 Aug 14

A Darener says...

Well that passed a few hours. Now we have gone off sensible debate and degenerated into trolling. I will bid goodnight.
Looking forward to a good game tomorrow night.

Get into em!
Well that passed a few hours. Now we have gone off sensible debate and degenerated into trolling. I will bid goodnight. Looking forward to a good game tomorrow night. Get into em! A Darener
  • Score: 0

10:19pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Still a Wild Rover says...

A Darener wrote:
Sorry I thought you were a Rovers fan but you are just a Dingle troll. My mistake. No true Rovers fan would defame the name of Uncle Jack. Now clear off these pages and crawl back in under your stone.
????? Darrener thought that the super troll posting as TTM was a Rover _ REALLY
Come on now Darrener get a grip
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Sorry I thought you were a Rovers fan but you are just a Dingle troll. My mistake. No true Rovers fan would defame the name of Uncle Jack. Now clear off these pages and crawl back in under your stone.[/p][/quote]????? Darrener thought that the super troll posting as TTM was a Rover _ REALLY Come on now Darrener get a grip Still a Wild Rover
  • Score: 0

10:21pm Mon 11 Aug 14

A Darener says...

SWR...I know it's been a long day old age creeps on, sorry!
SWR...I know it's been a long day old age creeps on, sorry! A Darener
  • Score: 0

10:23pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Maxrus says...

Still a Wild Rover wrote:
A Darener wrote:
Sorry I thought you were a Rovers fan but you are just a Dingle troll. My mistake. No true Rovers fan would defame the name of Uncle Jack. Now clear off these pages and crawl back in under your stone.
????? Darrener thought that the super troll posting as TTM was a Rover _ REALLY
Come on now Darrener get a grip
Believe that was a bit of sarcasm there from Darrener :)
[quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Sorry I thought you were a Rovers fan but you are just a Dingle troll. My mistake. No true Rovers fan would defame the name of Uncle Jack. Now clear off these pages and crawl back in under your stone.[/p][/quote]????? Darrener thought that the super troll posting as TTM was a Rover _ REALLY Come on now Darrener get a grip[/p][/quote]Believe that was a bit of sarcasm there from Darrener :) Maxrus
  • Score: 0

10:32pm Mon 11 Aug 14

TurfMoor Tom says...

Unfortunately we're all Rovers fans here.

The fact that some of us have accepted the reality of the situation, myself and JC Rishton included, while others continue to live in a blue and white fantasy world of fairy-tales and make believe, is neither here nor there.

The fact is FFP is real, it's here, and we have to comply with it. We therefore have to restructure as necessary, which will ultimately mean the sale of several of our better players. We will be subject to a Transfer Embargo and this will remain in place until we have reduced our losses by somewhere in the region of £30million. This may take two or three season to achieve, during which time we cannot bring players into the club and will have lost our final parachute payment to offset the losses. Is this not a worry to some?

FFP will not kill the league, it will prevent more and more clubs from going the same way as Portsmouth, and thereby save the league.

If we have to drop into League One to rid ourselves of the Venky's and restructure on a smaller scale then so be it.
Unfortunately we're all Rovers fans here. The fact that some of us have accepted the reality of the situation, myself and JC Rishton included, while others continue to live in a blue and white fantasy world of fairy-tales and make believe, is neither here nor there. The fact is FFP is real, it's here, and we have to comply with it. We therefore have to restructure as necessary, which will ultimately mean the sale of several of our better players. We will be subject to a Transfer Embargo and this will remain in place until we have reduced our losses by somewhere in the region of £30million. This may take two or three season to achieve, during which time we cannot bring players into the club and will have lost our final parachute payment to offset the losses. Is this not a worry to some? FFP will not kill the league, it will prevent more and more clubs from going the same way as Portsmouth, and thereby save the league. If we have to drop into League One to rid ourselves of the Venky's and restructure on a smaller scale then so be it. TurfMoor Tom
  • Score: -1

10:38pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Maxrus says...

TurfMoor Tom wrote:
Unfortunately we're all Rovers fans here.

The fact that some of us have accepted the reality of the situation, myself and JC Rishton included, while others continue to live in a blue and white fantasy world of fairy-tales and make believe, is neither here nor there.

The fact is FFP is real, it's here, and we have to comply with it. We therefore have to restructure as necessary, which will ultimately mean the sale of several of our better players. We will be subject to a Transfer Embargo and this will remain in place until we have reduced our losses by somewhere in the region of £30million. This may take two or three season to achieve, during which time we cannot bring players into the club and will have lost our final parachute payment to offset the losses. Is this not a worry to some?

FFP will not kill the league, it will prevent more and more clubs from going the same way as Portsmouth, and thereby save the league.

If we have to drop into League One to rid ourselves of the Venky's and restructure on a smaller scale then so be it.
And if you end up disappearing up your own backside, then so be it.
[quote][p][bold]TurfMoor Tom[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately we're all Rovers fans here. The fact that some of us have accepted the reality of the situation, myself and JC Rishton included, while others continue to live in a blue and white fantasy world of fairy-tales and make believe, is neither here nor there. The fact is FFP is real, it's here, and we have to comply with it. We therefore have to restructure as necessary, which will ultimately mean the sale of several of our better players. We will be subject to a Transfer Embargo and this will remain in place until we have reduced our losses by somewhere in the region of £30million. This may take two or three season to achieve, during which time we cannot bring players into the club and will have lost our final parachute payment to offset the losses. Is this not a worry to some? FFP will not kill the league, it will prevent more and more clubs from going the same way as Portsmouth, and thereby save the league. If we have to drop into League One to rid ourselves of the Venky's and restructure on a smaller scale then so be it.[/p][/quote]And if you end up disappearing up your own backside, then so be it. Maxrus
  • Score: 2

10:48pm Mon 11 Aug 14

greenscreener says...

Tough call on what's the most tedious message of the evening, difficult to decide between Modan and 'another irrelevant list of third world economic forecasts' or Turf Moor Troll and J.C Rishtons visionary warning 'Apocalypse will be caused by Venkys owing money to err... Venkys'.

I didn't think anything could make the Cup game interesting, then I read the posts on here and suddenly it doesn't seem so bad.
Tough call on what's the most tedious message of the evening, difficult to decide between Modan and 'another irrelevant list of third world economic forecasts' or Turf Moor Troll and J.C Rishtons visionary warning 'Apocalypse will be caused by Venkys owing money to err... Venkys'. I didn't think anything could make the Cup game interesting, then I read the posts on here and suddenly it doesn't seem so bad. greenscreener
  • Score: 3

11:34pm Mon 11 Aug 14

owd nick says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Back to the story.

I think some points are being missed here guys;

FFP, which both Shaw and GB have said will take at least another season after this to comply with, being the main one.

I think (hope) that what Rovers have done over the last 12 months or so in offloading cost will go a long way to offset any penalties incurred, if we hadn't done anything we would have faced draconian fines and a transfer embargo, that may still be the case but I suspect that because of the work already carried out that any penalties will be suspended provided that agreed targets are met.

Venky's cannot simply throw money for playing staff at the club anymore, FFP stops that action dead in it's tracks, any money for players has to come from within the club, that would simply increase the debt and open us up to harsher sanctions.

Which is a bit daft when you consider all the work done so far to reduce that debt.
No NIck, the work done so far has NOT been to reduce the debt - the DEBT is ever INCREASING.

The offloading of the players so far has been to reduce the LOSSESS - which are still on going.

We lost £36m last year - this year we have reduced our posses to (only!!) £20m - thats still around £20m we have ADDED to our club debt.

Therefore if we don't get promoted this season (if we lost about £20m this year) we might have to find another £30m (THIRTY MILLION POUNDS) in savings over the next 15 months just to stay out of/get out of a transfer embarbo on 1st Jan 2016.

For months you and fans like you have blithly ingored or belittled fans who have been warning about the possible medium/longterm financial meltdown of Rovers - that day gets ever nearer whilst, after all our culling of all our deadwood we are still losing about £400,000 per week.

If the Venkys are so rich and we are their "Baby" then why do they "loan" the money to the club rather than just "gift" the club the money??

The ONLY possible response is that they intend to recoup all these "loans" (because that is what loan means) at some point in the future - ie they don't intend THEIR mis-management to cost them anything.
And if you bother to actually read FFP it works on a season by season basis, the previous seasons losses of £36 million are irrelevant, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT AFFECTED BY FFP.

FFP does not come into contention until this season, it's what the losses are for last season that matter in this context.

Rovers have cleared a significant amount of cost out of the club in the last 12 months in preparation for this but there is no denying that it's enough, it was never going to be.

Yes there will still be losses, yes they are going to take the hit this season, no doubt about that whatsoever.

That's what the people actually dealing with the situation, Venky's, Shaw and GB meant when they said it will take two seasons (Including this one) to get back on an even keel.

PS, again you need to read FFP. Venky's cannot "loan", or even invest anymore than a figure of somewhere between £5 million to £8 million in the club annually, this is based on our annual income figure, the more income we have, the more they can invest.

It isn't rocket science, you just need to look at it from a cold, dispassionate point of view and take the fact you hate Venky's out of the equation.

That's why Manchester City can spend well over £60 million on 6 players so far this season despite being restricted to a nett transfer budget of £49 million, so far they have only recouped £2 million of that (Gareth Barry to Everton).

Reason for that? They have an exponentially growing income base and that's why their owners can invest more than ours can based on that.

I say again, Fair Play it aint, it's designed to make the rich clubs richer and to hell in a handcart with the rest.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: Back to the story. I think some points are being missed here guys; FFP, which both Shaw and GB have said will take at least another season after this to comply with, being the main one. I think (hope) that what Rovers have done over the last 12 months or so in offloading cost will go a long way to offset any penalties incurred, if we hadn't done anything we would have faced draconian fines and a transfer embargo, that may still be the case but I suspect that because of the work already carried out that any penalties will be suspended provided that agreed targets are met. Venky's cannot simply throw money for playing staff at the club anymore, FFP stops that action dead in it's tracks, any money for players has to come from within the club, that would simply increase the debt and open us up to harsher sanctions. Which is a bit daft when you consider all the work done so far to reduce that debt.[/p][/quote]No NIck, the work done so far has NOT been to reduce the debt - the DEBT is ever INCREASING. The offloading of the players so far has been to reduce the LOSSESS - which are still on going. We lost £36m last year - this year we have reduced our posses to (only!!) £20m - thats still around £20m we have ADDED to our club debt. Therefore if we don't get promoted this season (if we lost about £20m this year) we might have to find another £30m (THIRTY MILLION POUNDS) in savings over the next 15 months just to stay out of/get out of a transfer embarbo on 1st Jan 2016. For months you and fans like you have blithly ingored or belittled fans who have been warning about the possible medium/longterm financial meltdown of Rovers - that day gets ever nearer whilst, after all our culling of all our deadwood we are still losing about £400,000 per week. If the Venkys are so rich and we are their "Baby" then why do they "loan" the money to the club rather than just "gift" the club the money?? The ONLY possible response is that they intend to recoup all these "loans" (because that is what loan means) at some point in the future - ie they don't intend THEIR mis-management to cost them anything.[/p][/quote]And if you bother to actually read FFP it works on a season by season basis, the previous seasons losses of £36 million are irrelevant, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT AFFECTED BY FFP. FFP does not come into contention until this season, it's what the losses are for last season that matter in this context. Rovers have cleared a significant amount of cost out of the club in the last 12 months in preparation for this but there is no denying that it's enough, it was never going to be. Yes there will still be losses, yes they are going to take the hit this season, no doubt about that whatsoever. That's what the people actually dealing with the situation, Venky's, Shaw and GB meant when they said it will take two seasons (Including this one) to get back on an even keel. PS, again you need to read FFP. Venky's cannot "loan", or even invest anymore than a figure of somewhere between £5 million to £8 million in the club annually, this is based on our annual income figure, the more income we have, the more they can invest. It isn't rocket science, you just need to look at it from a cold, dispassionate point of view and take the fact you hate Venky's out of the equation. That's why Manchester City can spend well over £60 million on 6 players so far this season despite being restricted to a nett transfer budget of £49 million, so far they have only recouped £2 million of that (Gareth Barry to Everton). Reason for that? They have an exponentially growing income base and that's why their owners can invest more than ours can based on that. I say again, Fair Play it aint, it's designed to make the rich clubs richer and to hell in a handcart with the rest. owd nick
  • Score: 1

11:46pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Maxrus says...

modan wrote:
We need another defender keeper and a full back as i believe sixteen players have left the club this summer.We signed three players Baptiste Varney and Chris Brown. We could call Man Utd about the young lad Kean probably for loan for another season.
Our squad looks good but injuries to key players like Rhodes Cairney Conway Hanley and Robinson could be another disaster for Rovers for their promotion campaign .
Venkys are richest owner in Championship league i am sure money is no object as Venkys want Blackburn back in Premier League asap.

The world only superpower is USA by 2030 China, India and Russia will become new superpowers.Four superpowers are better than one.It's called fair play at the United Nation.
Population of
China 1.3 Billion people
India 1.2 Billion people
USA 322 million people
Russia 142 million people
And there are an estimated 30 - 40 million nomads on this planet - if they are all like you, then god help the rest of us.
[quote][p][bold]modan[/bold] wrote: We need another defender keeper and a full back as i believe sixteen players have left the club this summer.We signed three players Baptiste Varney and Chris Brown. We could call Man Utd about the young lad Kean probably for loan for another season. Our squad looks good but injuries to key players like Rhodes Cairney Conway Hanley and Robinson could be another disaster for Rovers for their promotion campaign . Venkys are richest owner in Championship league i am sure money is no object as Venkys want Blackburn back in Premier League asap. The world only superpower is USA by 2030 China, India and Russia will become new superpowers.Four superpowers are better than one.It's called fair play at the United Nation. Population of China 1.3 Billion people India 1.2 Billion people USA 322 million people Russia 142 million people[/p][/quote]And there are an estimated 30 - 40 million nomads on this planet - if they are all like you, then god help the rest of us. Maxrus
  • Score: 2

4:16pm Tue 12 Aug 14

mark anthony says...

I get it!! Mm...Keith chegwin? Mike yarwood? Jim Davidson? Les Dawson? To name but a few
I get it!! Mm...Keith chegwin? Mike yarwood? Jim Davidson? Les Dawson? To name but a few mark anthony
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