Venky's Blackburn Rovers deal on track (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Thought I would re-post this here, just so the numpties might take heed! If anyone isnt quite sure what I am talking about, its the constant barrage of hatred towards our Manager, which is based on false media opinion, and a lack of understanding of modern professional football.
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1. How can anyone call trying to acheive a result in a football game negative? Even if we are tight at the back, and playing 451, It's a positive attempt to secure points
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2. We are in need of results, don't expect us to go gung ho against a team we are expected to beat. I expect us to grind out a result, and we are far more likely to secure 3 points playing a tight game, rather than giving Wigan a chance to counter us with direct football
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3. Martin O' Neill is what I would refer to as a "chicken". Maybe apt, as our new owners would know how to rear him, but too quit your job days before the season starts has, in my humble opinion, blotted his copybook. Also as Ossy says, why would he be interested in us? if he left Villa for a lack of ambition?
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I also wish to get rid of this Nonsense "hoofball" tag, which lots of you guys basically use because the Media told you to! Remember Chelsea's equaliser on saturday? Hoofball? and the Irony is that some of you want O'Neill... to change this!? I quote Arse Wenger from January regarding to Aston Villa; "It was a very difficult game, because they stopped us from playing when we had the ball and when they had the ball, because they played a very long-ball game and closed us down"
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It is about time you numpties get your heads sorted. We have to play the hand we have. We have a great defence, and not a great deal of creative midfielders, hence the lack of chances created. As Ancelotti said on saturday, "If I was the manager of this team, with these players, I would play exactly the same way"
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i see Mateja Kezman has been released on a free.

surely he is worth a quick glance by us even if it is a trail!

I hope they don't "chicken out" at the last minute.

Robbie wrote:
i see Mateja Kezman has been released on a free.

surely he is worth a quick glance by us even if it is a trail!

Not a bad shout. 230 career goals in 13 seasons, is not a bad return at any level. Although it is a long time since the days when he was banging in 40 a season in the dutch league,

"Evidently Chicken Town."
Youtube Christopher Ecclestone's version of the John Cooper Clarke 'toon'.

cantbeleiveyourallso
stupid wrote:
Thought I would re-post this here, just so the numpties might take heed! If anyone isnt quite sure what I am talking about, its the constant barrage of hatred towards our Manager, which is based on false media opinion, and a lack of understanding of modern professional football. + 1. How can anyone call trying to acheive a result in a football game negative? Even if we are tight at the back, and playing 451, It's a positive attempt to secure points + 2. We are in need of results, don't expect us to go gung ho against a team we are expected to beat. I expect us to grind out a result, and we are far more likely to secure 3 points playing a tight game, rather than giving Wigan a chance to counter us with direct football + 3. Martin O' Neill is what I would refer to as a "chicken". Maybe apt, as our new owners would know how to rear him, but too quit your job days before the season starts has, in my humble opinion, blotted his copybook. Also as Ossy says, why would he be interested in us? if he left Villa for a lack of ambition? + I also wish to get rid of this Nonsense "hoofball" tag, which lots of you guys basically use because the Media told you to! Remember Chelsea's equaliser on saturday? Hoofball? and the Irony is that some of you want O'Neill... to change this!? I quote Arse Wenger from January regarding to Aston Villa; "It was a very difficult game, because they stopped us from playing when we had the ball and when they had the ball, because they played a very long-ball game and closed us down" + It is about time you numpties get your heads sorted. We have to play the hand we have. We have a great defence, and not a great deal of creative midfielders, hence the lack of chances created. As Ancelotti said on saturday, "If I was the manager of this team, with these players, I would play exactly the same way" +

Steady on CBYAASS - I dont think anyone really 'hates' Allardyce, certainly I dont hate him.
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I certainly dont like the negativity that he brings to the way the team plays and dont think he is the right person to take the club forward - especially now some much needed and long awaited funds are coming into the club.
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The points you mention are also quite weak actually - to accuse Chelsea of playing 'hoofball' because they score one goal from a long ball 'pass' is ridiculous. The key is in the word 'pass' which is what we do not do - our tactic is a speculative lob of the ball (from a throw or freekick) into the opposition goalmouth area. Hardly what Chelsea did!
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As for the great defence - last season yes, but right now we have started leaking soft goals again and that needs to be remedied quickly.
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As for not having a 'great deal of creative midfielders' - BFS has had two seasons now to put that right and despite signing almost innumerable players - who all seem to be called the next Patrick Veira - he has not done anything to sort out this desperate need.
*As for MO'N being a 'chicken' I think that is a bit of a fowl comment actually.
He felt he couldn't contribute anything more if he had to move ahead on the same basis as current - and certain promises made to him had not been kept - so he had the decency to step aside to allow the club to make a new appointment prior to the season beginning. Decent behavious - not chicken.
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Lastly if - as you advise - we send out a defensive line-up against Wigan then BFS deserves everything he will surely get soon (the sack)! We should be able to play Wigan off the park with the quality of players we have available. If we can't manage to do that then god help us, I didnt think we had sunk that low.....

cantbeleiveyourallso
stupid wrote:
Thought I would re-post this here, just so the numpties might take heed! If anyone isnt quite sure what I am talking about, its the constant barrage of hatred towards our Manager, which is based on false media opinion, and a lack of understanding of modern professional football.
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1. How can anyone call trying to acheive a result in a football game negative? Even if we are tight at the back, and playing 451, It's a positive attempt to secure points
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2. We are in need of results, don't expect us to go gung ho against a team we are expected to beat. I expect us to grind out a result, and we are far more likely to secure 3 points playing a tight game, rather than giving Wigan a chance to counter us with direct football
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3. Martin O' Neill is what I would refer to as a "chicken". Maybe apt, as our new owners would know how to rear him, but too quit your job days before the season starts has, in my humble opinion, blotted his copybook. Also as Ossy says, why would he be interested in us? if he left Villa for a lack of ambition?
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I also wish to get rid of this Nonsense "hoofball" tag, which lots of you guys basically use because the Media told you to! Remember Chelsea's equaliser on saturday? Hoofball? and the Irony is that some of you want O'Neill... to change this!? I quote Arse Wenger from January regarding to Aston Villa; "It was a very difficult game, because they stopped us from playing when we had the ball and when they had the ball, because they played a very long-ball game and closed us down"
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It is about time you numpties get your heads sorted. We have to play the hand we have. We have a great defence, and not a great deal of creative midfielders, hence the lack of chances created. As Ancelotti said on saturday, "If I was the manager of this team, with these players, I would play exactly the same way"
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No offence but at home against Wigan you want us to sit back let them attack us and play for set pieces. This is why we are in bottom 3 in first place. Just remember what we played againd against Chelsea we actually played with 2 strikers in a 3 with Benjani and and the two dioufs and you know what we actually attacked a the ex champions and except for some poor finishing at times by us I do beleive we would have won that. So do I think we should just sit back and defend every game no because that has caused to struggle why we onyl got a point off sundaerland why liverpool ripped us apart. Why we have let teams get back into games like Fulham and Blackpool. We showed against best team in the leageu that if we attack we can match a team and with more clinical finishing we will be getting more goals. So to beat Wigan we need tog et at them and not let them even have the confidence cause if you let teams attack you they will evetually get a goal.

I’m very middle ground on the Sam issue. I agree that sometimes (not all the time at all) we play some shockingly bad football, however other games I think Sam gets it exactly right.


However, sacking Sam Allardyce now would be the stupidest thing the club would ever have done. We would get relegated, no matter who we brought in. Changing manager mid season is a very dangerous thing to do, unless you have no choice because you are bottom and miles adrift (3 points off 9th!). Despite what some of the fans think, all the players seem very happy with Sam, and even though he has some shortcomings he is a great motivator and gets average footballers playing very well (El Hadji this season for example). Disrupting the players, changing tactical approach mid season would be disastrous.

And I definitely don’t agree with MoN, not that he would ever come to Rovers. He is a quitter and a moaner. He left Villa because they wouldn’t give him all of the Milner money, what would he think of Rovers?!

Doesn’t matter anyway, Sam isn’t going anywhere!

And those who are panicking already because we are in the bottom 3 are pathetic. 2 wins and we could be challenging for Europe!

onlyonesimongarner wrote:

Robbie wrote: i see Mateja Kezman has been released on a free. surely he is worth a quick glance by us even if it is a trail!

Not a bad shout. 230 career goals in 13 seasons, is not a bad return at any level. Although it is a long time since the days when he was banging in 40 a season in the dutch league,

thats true. plus he is 31 so getting on a bit

i would still take him on trail and give him a once over.

Id like you to point out where it says I want us to sit back and let wigan attack us?
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My point is, a 1-0 is far better than a 2-2. Wigan have some players who can hurt any football team on their days... We have to play to the percentages, stop wigan from creating chances, and take our own. So be it if this means a flick on from a long throw, or a Robbo freekick... On which point I would disagree with you massively, as Robbo is one of the best direct passrs of the ball I haver ever seen. So why not utilise it? We play to our strengths, which is exactly what we should be doing.
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I didnt call chelsea a hoofball team either. No championship winning teams have ever been so one dimensional. The irony is, we got caught on the counter against chelsea, It's my opinion that if we had adopted other tactics after going 1-0 up, at least until half time, we may have won the game, and at least acheived a draw.
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Also... If you can point out an attacking midfielder who has changed hands for less than 10m in the last 2 years, who would be interested in playing for Rovers, then be my guest. Our single most creative player has played less than 100 minutes, I estimate.
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..And you would be suprised how many people hate Allardyce. Most for the wrong reasons. Many blinkered fans who cannot see past the end of their own nose.
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I have to applaud you Marcus, its about time someone gave a fair response to one of my statements, even if I think you are wrong... :)
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Can'tbelieveyouralls
ostupid - after reading your first post I believe you are.

Nice to see you offer a great amount to this discussion Jinky. You must be blessed with intelligence.

cantbeleiveyourallso
stupid wrote:
Id like you to point out where it says I want us to sit back and let wigan attack us?
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My point is, a 1-0 is far better than a 2-2. Wigan have some players who can hurt any football team on their days... We have to play to the percentages, stop wigan from creating chances, and take our own. So be it if this means a flick on from a long throw, or a Robbo freekick... On which point I would disagree with you massively, as Robbo is one of the best direct passrs of the ball I haver ever seen. So why not utilise it? We play to our strengths, which is exactly what we should be doing.
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I didnt call chelsea a hoofball team either. No championship winning teams have ever been so one dimensional. The irony is, we got caught on the counter against chelsea, It's my opinion that if we had adopted other tactics after going 1-0 up, at least until half time, we may have won the game, and at least acheived a draw.
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Also... If you can point out an attacking midfielder who has changed hands for less than 10m in the last 2 years, who would be interested in playing for Rovers, then be my guest. Our single most creative player has played less than 100 minutes, I estimate.
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..And you would be suprised how many people hate Allardyce. Most for the wrong reasons. Many blinkered fans who cannot see past the end of their own nose.
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I have to applaud you Marcus, its about time someone gave a fair response to one of my statements, even if I think you are wrong... :)
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So you think if we defended and let Chelsea have chance after chance that we would have gone away with a point or a win. Just wait didnt we play that same tactic against Liverpool and they just wait beat us 2-1. At the end of the day you listen to Sam Sllardyce a bit to much, how can kicking the ball long be suddenly be us playing to our strengths, we still lot of players that played under Mark Hughes, Emerton, Nelsen, Samba, Dunn and Pedersen. These players can play with the ball on the floor, Samba is great with his feet, when we play long we cant utislise David Dunn our most creative player how does this help us. At end of the day all teams have players that can score, but you do not play a defensive minded game against every team, yes some matches may call for it not all. Against Wigan at home who are prone to ship in goals we need to atatck, instead us playing to their strengths like we did with liverpool we play to get to their weaknesses and that is their defence if we attack that we will score if we dont we will be in trouble. At the end of the day Sam has played a defensive game against nearly every single team and it has not worked. That is why we are where we that is one of the reason we have scored few goals.

Blunt, but quality as ever, Cantbelieve. Nice to see someone on here that actually gets it and gives logical explanations as to what is really happening,rather than just scouring every element for negatives - you should come on more!!

cantbeleiveyourallso
stupid wrote:
Nice to see you offer a great amount to this discussion Jinky. You must be blessed with intelligence.

What are you cooking for the big man's tea today Mrs Allardyce?

Marcus28 wrote:

cantbeleiveyourallso stupid wrote: Id like you to point out where it says I want us to sit back and let wigan attack us? + My point is, a 1-0 is far better than a 2-2. Wigan have some players who can hurt any football team on their days... We have to play to the percentages, stop wigan from creating chances, and take our own. So be it if this means a flick on from a long throw, or a Robbo freekick... On which point I would disagree with you massively, as Robbo is one of the best direct passrs of the ball I haver ever seen. So why not utilise it? We play to our strengths, which is exactly what we should be doing. + I didnt call chelsea a hoofball team either. No championship winning teams have ever been so one dimensional. The irony is, we got caught on the counter against chelsea, It's my opinion that if we had adopted other tactics after going 1-0 up, at least until half time, we may have won the game, and at least acheived a draw. + Also... If you can point out an attacking midfielder who has changed hands for less than 10m in the last 2 years, who would be interested in playing for Rovers, then be my guest. Our single most creative player has played less than 100 minutes, I estimate. + ..And you would be suprised how many people hate Allardyce. Most for the wrong reasons. Many blinkered fans who cannot see past the end of their own nose. + I have to applaud you Marcus, its about time someone gave a fair response to one of my statements, even if I think you are wrong... :) +

So you think if we defended and let Chelsea have chance after chance that we would have gone away with a point or a win. Just wait didnt we play that same tactic against Liverpool and they just wait beat us 2-1. At the end of the day you listen to Sam Sllardyce a bit to much, how can kicking the ball long be suddenly be us playing to our strengths, we still lot of players that played under Mark Hughes, Emerton, Nelsen, Samba, Dunn and Pedersen. These players can play with the ball on the floor, Samba is great with his feet, when we play long we cant utislise David Dunn our most creative player how does this help us. At end of the day all teams have players that can score, but you do not play a defensive minded game against every team, yes some matches may call for it not all. Against Wigan at home who are prone to ship in goals we need to atatck, instead us playing to their strengths like we did with liverpool we play to get to their weaknesses and that is their defence if we attack that we will score if we dont we will be in trouble. At the end of the day Sam has played a defensive game against nearly every single team and it has not worked. That is why we are where we that is one of the reason we have scored few goals.

Agree entirely Marcus......good post sir! It's not rocket science - it is just common sense really! Not sure why the big chap called Sam cant see that?

Can't beleive you actually believe all this. A loss is a "result" but not one we woant. A draw is a "result" but not one you want against Wigan. You say we have to play the hand we've been dealt. EXACTLY what a lot of supporters want Allardyce to do! PLAY the game - simple. As for grinding out results etc. I can understand that attitude from amnager or players on occasions but supporters pay hard earned money for this dross and much more then Allardyce will be sat in a cold draughty empty stadium trying to convince himself this his "perception" is the only one that counts. Isn't that what the king with no clothes did?
Rovers against Chelsea did show that they have decent footballers that are better suited to passing the ball rather than hoofing it. The greatest criticism of Allardyce is that he wants to play one way but hasn't signed anybody in 2 years to enable us to do it. That's nothing to do with money - Kalinic, Benjani, Mame Diouf are not re-incarnations of Kevin Davies. If Alardyce played Samba up front at least that would make sense. Supporters wouldn't like it but at least it would be logical.
As I said earlier Saturday's game is huge for Rovers season but HUGE for Allardyce's career.
Last chance saloon Mr Allardyce.

cantbeleiveyourallso
stupid wrote:
Thought I would re-post this here, just so the numpties might take heed! If anyone isnt quite sure what I am talking about, its the constant barrage of hatred towards our Manager, which is based on false media opinion, and a lack of understanding of modern professional football.
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1. How can anyone call trying to acheive a result in a football game negative? Even if we are tight at the back, and playing 451, It's a positive attempt to secure points
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2. We are in need of results, don't expect us to go gung ho against a team we are expected to beat. I expect us to grind out a result, and we are far more likely to secure 3 points playing a tight game, rather than giving Wigan a chance to counter us with direct football
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3. Martin O' Neill is what I would refer to as a "chicken". Maybe apt, as our new owners would know how to rear him, but too quit your job days before the season starts has, in my humble opinion, blotted his copybook. Also as Ossy says, why would he be interested in us? if he left Villa for a lack of ambition?
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I also wish to get rid of this Nonsense "hoofball" tag, which lots of you guys basically use because the Media told you to! Remember Chelsea's equaliser on saturday? Hoofball? and the Irony is that some of you want O'Neill... to change this!? I quote Arse Wenger from January regarding to Aston Villa; "It was a very difficult game, because they stopped us from playing when we had the ball and when they had the ball, because they played a very long-ball game and closed us down"
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It is about time you numpties get your heads sorted. We have to play the hand we have. We have a great defence, and not a great deal of creative midfielders, hence the lack of chances created. As Ancelotti said on saturday, "If I was the manager of this team, with these players, I would play exactly the same way"
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bulls''t!! great defence??? is that why nearly every goal we let in the defence is totally out of position and the goalscorer totally unmarked?? (liverpool, chelsea to name but two.

cantbeleiveyourallso
stupid wrote:
Nice to see you offer a great amount to this discussion Jinky. You must be blessed with intelligence.

Blessed with a certain amount of intelligence but not the time or energy to share it with a witless individual with such an obvious agenda.

Deal sorted out in the next couple of weeks? Why O why is this taking so long?

BJS wrote:
Deal sorted out in the next couple of weeks? Why O why is this taking so long?

...because it does.
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whether you agree with the deal, or not - none of this is simple.
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my guess (and it is a guess) is both the club and Venky would have preferred to keep details quiet until it was signed sealed and delivered. However, there was probably a leak either from Rovers side or Venkey's, or more likely the corporate financiers being less than discreet....therefor
e, rovers opted to reveal their hand.
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the only deal which went through instantly (that i can think of) was ashle buying barcodes without any due diligence - and we all know what a cow's arse that turned out to be.
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Think of it as buying a house - despite wanting to exchange, complete and move in next to no time - it invariably takes longer than you had hoped.

alright lets look forward, we have money to spend in January, whether we want to loan or buy players we are now in a position we havent seen in a long time.
We need to set a marker now and get in some big landmark signings in January, would personally love to see a loan move for Robbie Keane and maybe a good young full back, some more pace on the left wing would also help us out a hell of a lot.

its time to get excited lads, the deal is done apart from the i's to be dotted and t's to be crossed

COME ON ROVERS!!!!

Can't believe you Dingles are basing so much hope on 5 million. Ok the new investment, if it happens will maybe clear the debt but you will still be left near the bottom of the table and really you can't get one decent player for 5million.I really can't see what difference the new investment is going to make. Virtually every club in the premiership has an amount of debt, So maybe Rovers won't have for the time being but how long will that last. In fact how much longer can a small club that's been punching above it's weight for years survive amongst the big boys,

jeppo wrote:
Blunt, but quality as ever, Cantbelieve. Nice to see someone on here that actually gets it and gives logical explanations as to what is really happening,rather than just scouring every element for negatives - you should come on more!!

Predictable Jeppo!

The ball is round so pass it! wrote:

jeppo wrote: Blunt, but quality as ever, Cantbelieve. Nice to see someone on here that actually gets it and gives logical explanations as to what is really happening,rather than just scouring every element for negatives - you should come on more!!

Predictable Jeppo!

Like a needle stuck on a record. He still thinks the music is OK repeating whilst the rest of us want to scream!

Sam must go wrote:
Can't beleive you actually believe all this. A loss is a "result" but not one we woant. A draw is a "result" but not one you want against Wigan. You say we have to play the hand we've been dealt. EXACTLY what a lot of supporters want Allardyce to do! PLAY the game - simple. As for grinding out results etc. I can understand that attitude from amnager or players on occasions but supporters pay hard earned money for this dross and much more then Allardyce will be sat in a cold draughty empty stadium trying to convince himself this his "perception" is the only one that counts. Isn't that what the king with no clothes did?
Rovers against Chelsea did show that they have decent footballers that are better suited to passing the ball rather than hoofing it. The greatest criticism of Allardyce is that he wants to play one way but hasn't signed anybody in 2 years to enable us to do it. That's nothing to do with money - Kalinic, Benjani, Mame Diouf are not re-incarnations of Kevin Davies. If Alardyce played Samba up front at least that would make sense. Supporters wouldn't like it but at least it would be logical.
As I said earlier Saturday's game is huge for Rovers season but HUGE for Allardyce's career.
Last chance saloon Mr Allardyce.

Quality SMG!

onlyonesimongarner wrote:

Robbie wrote:
i see Mateja Kezman has been released on a free.

surely he is worth a quick glance by us even if it is a trail!

Not a bad shout. 230 career goals in 13 seasons, is not a bad return at any level. Although it is a long time since the days when he was banging in 40 a season in the dutch league,

He was playing for Paris Saint Germain for a while and hardly set the Parc des Princes alight!
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(Having said that, the manager didn't really want him in the first place so Kezman never got much of a look-in.)
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Why not trial him?

everythings on track. what a shame one can only hope it goes t**s up.

think i have seen rovers prospective new owners at clitheroe auction markets fur and feather sale yesterday.

ghost of sceptic wrote:
everythings on track. what a shame one can only hope it goes t**s up.

Is their a Dingle in our midst?

Blue-army wrote:

ghost of sceptic wrote: everythings on track. what a shame one can only hope it goes t**s up.

Is their a Dingle in our midst?

how dare you! cheeky bar-steward. deluded i am not and a dingle never, as the name says i am a sceptic and no fan of the chicken pluckers takeover we are doomed watch this space.

Brainwashed Knob.Allardyce out!

cantbeleiveyourallso
stupid wrote:
Thought I would re-post this here, just so the numpties might take heed! If anyone isnt quite sure what I am talking about, its the constant barrage of hatred towards our Manager, which is based on false media opinion, and a lack of understanding of modern professional football. + 1. How can anyone call trying to acheive a result in a football game negative? Even if we are tight at the back, and playing 451, It's a positive attempt to secure points + 2. We are in need of results, don't expect us to go gung ho against a team we are expected to beat. I expect us to grind out a result, and we are far more likely to secure 3 points playing a tight game, rather than giving Wigan a chance to counter us with direct football + 3. Martin O' Neill is what I would refer to as a "chicken". Maybe apt, as our new owners would know how to rear him, but too quit your job days before the season starts has, in my humble opinion, blotted his copybook. Also as Ossy says, why would he be interested in us? if he left Villa for a lack of ambition? + I also wish to get rid of this Nonsense "hoofball" tag, which lots of you guys basically use because the Media told you to! Remember Chelsea's equaliser on saturday? Hoofball? and the Irony is that some of you want O'Neill... to change this!? I quote Arse Wenger from January regarding to Aston Villa; "It was a very difficult game, because they stopped us from playing when we had the ball and when they had the ball, because they played a very long-ball game and closed us down" + It is about time you numpties get your heads sorted. We have to play the hand we have. We have a great defence, and not a great deal of creative midfielders, hence the lack of chances created. As Ancelotti said on saturday, "If I was the manager of this team, with these players, I would play exactly the same way" +

Deluded!

ghost of sceptic wrote:

Blue-army wrote:

ghost of sceptic wrote: everythings on track. what a shame one can only hope it goes t**s up.

Is their a Dingle in our midst?

how dare you! cheeky bar-steward. deluded i am not and a dingle never, as the name says i am a sceptic and no fan of the chicken pluckers takeover we are doomed watch this space.

Sceptics normally never have an alternative to what it is they are objecting to, maybe you do, please enlighten me cause I can't see one.

Lets face it, nobody on here knows anything about what will happen once the takeover goes through!

So just wait and see.

You should only worry about things within your control! Its not your right to say what the Walker family should do with their money and their club!

Plus i really wish people would shut up moaning, Sam isnt going anywhere no matter what any of you say, so get over it and support your team!

We certainly shouldnt change manager half way through a season anyway, recipe for disaster!

cantbeleiveyourallso
stupid wrote:
Id like you to point out where it says I want us to sit back and let wigan attack us?
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My point is, a 1-0 is far better than a 2-2. Wigan have some players who can hurt any football team on their days... We have to play to the percentages, stop wigan from creating chances, and take our own. So be it if this means a flick on from a long throw, or a Robbo freekick... On which point I would disagree with you massively, as Robbo is one of the best direct passrs of the ball I haver ever seen. So why not utilise it? We play to our strengths, which is exactly what we should be doing.
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I didnt call chelsea a hoofball team either. No championship winning teams have ever been so one dimensional. The irony is, we got caught on the counter against chelsea, It's my opinion that if we had adopted other tactics after going 1-0 up, at least until half time, we may have won the game, and at least acheived a draw.
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Also... If you can point out an attacking midfielder who has changed hands for less than 10m in the last 2 years, who would be interested in playing for Rovers, then be my guest. Our single most creative player has played less than 100 minutes, I estimate.
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..And you would be suprised how many people hate Allardyce. Most for the wrong reasons. Many blinkered fans who cannot see past the end of their own nose.
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I have to applaud you Marcus, its about time someone gave a fair response to one of my statements, even if I think you are wrong... :)
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why the hell do we have to play the percentages?! we have players who can hurt any team on their day?!as for your comment about getting an attacking midfielder for less than $10m, you can find players anywhere these days for less than £10m, you just have to look hard enough.maybe sam needs to remove height > 6ft4" from his search filter on football manager and he'll find someone. hughes was a wizard in the transfer market, allardyce has spent what roque and benni cost on one player who has doesnt even fit the style of football were playing.

SouthernRover wrote:
Lets face it, nobody on here knows anything about what will happen once the takeover goes through! So just wait and see. You should only worry about things within your control! Its not your right to say what the Walker family should do with their money and their club! Plus i really wish people would shut up moaning, Sam isnt going anywhere no matter what any of you say, so get over it and support your team! We certainly shouldnt change manager half way through a season anyway, recipe for disaster!

The bottom line is this:-

The Walkers family would have to but money in of their OWN and NOT the Walker trust in order to move the Rovers on, and there is only ONE that would do that, the others ARE NOT INTERESTED. End of the Walker's involvement.

I don't like SA view of how football should be played and believe we should play on the front foot in most if not all games, because we don't have the players to play SA way.

Successful Counter attacking team have to have real quality players to play that way and we don't have those players.

The only way I see it, is to play a lot further up the park with more fluidity as we did against Chelsea, with the likes of Emerton bursting from midfield, M. Diouf, El-Hadji Diouf and Benjani pushing on the defenders and also closing down the oppositions midfield.

I don't think we should sack AS at least not yet ( even though I don't like his views on how the game should be played) because as you say, it could be a disaster, on the other hand a change to a top manager, money and availability permitting sometimes has a miraculous effect on a team.

cantbeleiveyourallso
stupid wrote:
Thought I would re-post this here, just so the numpties might take heed! If anyone isnt quite sure what I am talking about, its the constant barrage of hatred towards our Manager, which is based on false media opinion, and a lack of understanding of modern professional football. + 1. How can anyone call trying to acheive a result in a football game negative? Even if we are tight at the back, and playing 451, It's a positive attempt to secure points + 2. We are in need of results, don't expect us to go gung ho against a team we are expected to beat. I expect us to grind out a result, and we are far more likely to secure 3 points playing a tight game, rather than giving Wigan a chance to counter us with direct football + 3. Martin O' Neill is what I would refer to as a "chicken". Maybe apt, as our new owners would know how to rear him, but too quit your job days before the season starts has, in my humble opinion, blotted his copybook. Also as Ossy says, why would he be interested in us? if he left Villa for a lack of ambition? + I also wish to get rid of this Nonsense "hoofball" tag, which lots of you guys basically use because the Media told you to! Remember Chelsea's equaliser on saturday? Hoofball? and the Irony is that some of you want O'Neill... to change this!? I quote Arse Wenger from January regarding to Aston Villa; "It was a very difficult game, because they stopped us from playing when we had the ball and when they had the ball, because they played a very long-ball game and closed us down" + It is about time you numpties get your heads sorted. We have to play the hand we have. We have a great defence, and not a great deal of creative midfielders, hence the lack of chances created. As Ancelotti said on saturday, "If I was the manager of this team, with these players, I would play exactly the same way" +

cantbeleiveyourallso
stupid, Everything you say is true and thats the whole point,the only thing most fans are saying is we/I dont want to and dont have to pay to watch this crap, Rovers are in the entertainment industry and no this brand of football is certainly NOT entertaining, and have you looked at the league table recently, this kind of football has got us there, enough said.

Lancs Pensioner has hit the nail on the head here. If ugly long ball football works and we are winning games then there is a real argument for it. As it is, we are in the relegation zone playing this way whilst the likes of West Brom and Blackpool are above us playing a more entertaining style. I believe if we revert to our usual style and fail to beat Wigan tomorrow then a few more people will join the doubters.

cantbeleiveyourallso
stupid wrote:
Thought I would re-post this here, just so the numpties might take heed! If anyone isnt quite sure what I am talking about, its the constant barrage of hatred towards our Manager, which is based on false media opinion, and a lack of understanding of modern professional football. + 1. How can anyone call trying to acheive a result in a football game negative? Even if we are tight at the back, and playing 451, It's a positive attempt to secure points + 2. We are in need of results, don't expect us to go gung ho against a team we are expected to beat. I expect us to grind out a result, and we are far more likely to secure 3 points playing a tight game, rather than giving Wigan a chance to counter us with direct football + 3. Martin O' Neill is what I would refer to as a "chicken". Maybe apt, as our new owners would know how to rear him, but too quit your job days before the season starts has, in my humble opinion, blotted his copybook. Also as Ossy says, why would he be interested in us? if he left Villa for a lack of ambition? + I also wish to get rid of this Nonsense "hoofball" tag, which lots of you guys basically use because the Media told you to! Remember Chelsea's equaliser on saturday? Hoofball? and the Irony is that some of you want O'Neill... to change this!? I quote Arse Wenger from January regarding to Aston Villa; "It was a very difficult game, because they stopped us from playing when we had the ball and when they had the ball, because they played a very long-ball game and closed us down" + It is about time you numpties get your heads sorted. We have to play the hand we have. We have a great defence, and not a great deal of creative midfielders, hence the lack of chances created. As Ancelotti said on saturday, "If I was the manager of this team, with these players, I would play exactly the same way" +

Look at the league table. It does not lie and we deserve to be where we are. That is down to Sam and his tactics.

Being someone who goes to watch every home game and approximately 50% away, I can tell you that the football is not good.

The two best Rovers performances of the season have both ended in home defeats, namely the Arsenal and the Chelsea games.

Tomorrow's game against Wigan is an acid test for me. Either we play like we did against Arsenal and Chelsea,
or we return to the turgid rubbish that has so far only yeilded us a place in the bottom three.

Defence is good? Not this season it isn't. When we get three or four clean sheets on the trot, then you can start to say the defence is performing, but right now it isn't.

If we go back to the same rubbish tomorrow against Wigan I will be one of those shouting for Allardyces head.
You might lack ambition, but I don't, I never have and I never will.
I'm not saying we can topple the best of the best, but our manager has everything required at his disposal
to put together a team capable of finishing in the top eight of this division, without fail and anything else is simply not good enough. Once more you delusional fool, look at the league table IT DOES NOT LIE!!!!

Big Sam, you're on notice, improve or my dissent will cease to be quiet.

And as for you 'Cantbelieve' you're just a drone. You doff yer cap lad...hehe, you know your place don't you! If you looked up the word loser in a dictionary, it would sum you up perfectly. You defeatist no hoper!
If it was left to people like you, we'd all be speaking German now.

No one 'hates' Sam Allardyce. It's just that the supporters who like entertainment think he is limited and that we can do better.....TUGAY, you are my Turkish Delight, as our next manager you'd be right.... you are my Turkish delight

SouthernRover wrote:
Lets face it, nobody on here knows anything about what will happen once the takeover goes through! So just wait and see. You should only worry about things within your control! Its not your right to say what the Walker family should do with their money and their club! Plus i really wish people would shut up moaning, Sam isnt going anywhere no matter what any of you say, so get over it and support your team! We certainly shouldnt change manager half way through a season anyway, recipe for disaster!

We did with Ince..sacked him around this time. what’s the difference in sacking Ally dice now? well, we had more points on the table with Ince for a start! All you deluded luvvies say Ally dice saved the club so, was changing the manager a “ recipe for disaster!”
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Some of you need to get real ..if it hadn’t been for bad referring decisions, goalkeeping mistakes etc etc..we’d be bottom of the league adrift, wake up for Allah sake. cantbeleivejepposost
upid:)

Re percentage football.
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Tugay used to play percentage football - like if you pass to a team mate in the right areas often enough you will not only entertain but get points by scoring goals. BS percentage game does none of the former and little of the latter this season.

Good call Beamo the ball is your friend . Why would you want to keep giving it away by hoofing/lumping etc down the field . A decent level of entertainment and results can easily go hand in hand .
Come on you blues .Give the players a chance Sam .

i am objecting to people from the other side of the world taking over the football club that i have supported for the best part of 35 years because they have no vested interest in BRFC in my view. only to promote and get a foot in the door for thier halal poultry. from an ethical point of view i cannot support animal cruelty in the form of a buy out from venkys. i will bide my time this lot will not hang about and when they are gone although i fear the damage to rovers will be done by then i will be back one day.

The Curator wrote:
Good call Beamo the ball is your friend . Why would you want to keep giving it away by hoofing/lumping etc down the field . A decent level of entertainment and results can easily go hand in hand .
Come on you blues .Give the players a chance Sam .

Good shout - I hope with 20m Indian TV customers to attract for our future income to keep us at the top of World Football that even BS has realised hoofball won't be the future even if self preservation is his motive!

Sam's the man to take us forward. Well said 'Cantbelieveyouralls
ostupid' We need another midfielder with the 5 mill. Re Martin O'Neill a loser with a ego problem - no thanks! Stick with Sam.

Come you blues.