Burnley chief executive defends season ticket price rise

Lee Hoos

Lee Hoos

First published in Football Lancashire Telegraph: Photograph of the Author by , Sports reporter

BURNLEY chief executive Lee Hoos has defended the controversial decision to hike season ticket prices following the club’s promotion to the Premier League.

The Clarets froze prices ahead of the early bird deadline on March 31 but have increased them by up to 50 per cent after promotion, with adult season tickets now costing between £499 and £685.

That has angered many supporters, who insist they simply cannot afford the increased prices.

But Burnley had already sold around 12,500 season tickets at early bird prices and between 350 and 400 more were sold yesterday after tickets were put back on sale at the higher price.

The new increased prices include a £100 ‘retainer’, which will be redeemed if fans renew their season ticket for the 2015/16 campaign.

That part of the deal has been particularly controversial, but Hoos insists it was necessary to avoid any repeat of the decline in attendances when the club were relegated after their last season in the Premier League, in 2009/10.

The Clarets had 15,085 season ticket holders in the top flight but that figured dropped dramatically a year later.

“We had 5,030 fans who bought season tickets in 2009/10 when we were in the Premier League who we haven’t seen since,” said Hoos, who joined the club in 2011.

“That was a surprising figure to me. I thought, ‘Wow’. That’s a lot of people.

“So the idea this time was we should try to do a two-year season ticket deal to try to make sure we’re holding on to people.

“We looked at ways of implementing that but it became really complicated to introduce because of changes of category, if someone is going from under 18 to under 22 etc.

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“The idea that came back was what about if we looked round at what other teams are charging in the Premier League. We’ll charge that price but then if people renew we’ll knock £100 off the ticket for the next year.

“I thought that wasn’t a bad idea.

“I’m not saying they will go up, but let’s just say next year the early bird prices go up £20, to £349.

“The renewal price would actually be £249. We’d knock £100 to say thank you for committing to us again.

“The way to look at this is as a two-year deal, which is how it was initially envisaged.

“Don’t just commit to us for one year and then we may never see you again.

“Commit to us for two years and we’ll make sure you’re rewarded.”

When Burnley were last promoted in 2009, then chairman Barry Kilby offered a ‘Premier League pledge’ - giving fans free season tickets in the Premier League as a reward for purchasing tickets in the previous season.

The Clarets will receive a windfall of up to £120m for being promoted to the Premier League this time, but Hoos insists that season ticket revenue remains vital to the club.

“It’s still a substantial portion of revenue,” he said.

“We had a chairman’s pledge last time - that effectively was a player.

“This year if we get the revenue streams right that’s an extra two players and in terms of legacy, the investment into the stadium and particularly the training ground, we really need to leave a lasting legacy.

“The early bird are still getting pretty good value on their tickets.

“We’ve been selling season tickets since December, trying to encourage people, doing 12-month finance deals to make it easy to pay.

“We don’t have that many tickets left to sell, we have less than 3,000 with the uptake we’ve already had.

“Hopefully this time we can get some of those 5,030 people who only showed up for one year to say, ‘Actually I quite enjoyed it, I’m going to stick around for the second year’.

“We’re trying to distinguish between Burnley fans and Premier League fans. If you’re a Burnley fan you’re going to get the benefit.

“If you’re just a Premier League fan you’re paying Premier League prices.

“We’re just putting season tickets on sale for average Premier League prices, but unlike other teams we’re saying stick with us and we’ll knock £100 off the following year.”

Hoos allayed fears of existing season ticket holders who worried that the £100 retainer could become a permanent part of future deals.

“That’s not something we’re looking at,” he said. “We’re just looking at doing that this year to encourage people for next year.”

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11:22am Wed 14 May 14

Super_Clarets says...

“I'm not saying they will go up, but let’s just say next year the early bird prices go up £20, to £349.

“The renewal price would actually be £249. We’d knock £100 to say thank you for committing to us again.


A sensible approach to rewarding the fans who are not simply here for Premier League football.
“I'm not saying they will go up, but let’s just say next year the early bird prices go up £20, to £349. “The renewal price would actually be £249. We’d knock £100 to say thank you for committing to us again. A sensible approach to rewarding the fans who are not simply here for Premier League football. Super_Clarets
  • Score: -2

11:44am Wed 14 May 14

RobH2O says...

CEO defends CEO's advice to the board. That must be a first. A more sensationalist headline would have been "CEO fails to back board-driven price hike".
CEO defends CEO's advice to the board. That must be a first. A more sensationalist headline would have been "CEO fails to back board-driven price hike". RobH2O
  • Score: 6

12:17pm Wed 14 May 14

houseclaret says...

Call me cynical, but do I detect a note of defeatism in Hoos' statement? The extra £100 is being put on in the expectation of losing people after relegation it seems.
Call me cynical, but do I detect a note of defeatism in Hoos' statement? The extra £100 is being put on in the expectation of losing people after relegation it seems. houseclaret
  • Score: 11

12:19pm Wed 14 May 14

AnotherPounding4Burnley says...

I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..
I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement.. AnotherPounding4Burnley
  • Score: 6

12:26pm Wed 14 May 14

Super_Clarets says...

AnotherPounding4Burn
ley
wrote:
I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..
Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley.

How does that sound?
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPounding4Burn ley[/bold] wrote: I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..[/p][/quote]Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley. How does that sound? Super_Clarets
  • Score: -2

12:38pm Wed 14 May 14

flagstone says...

Super_Clarets wrote:
AnotherPounding4Burn

ley
wrote:
I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..
Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley.

How does that sound?
Premier League Champions , League cup winners , only town club ever to play or likely to play in the Champions league ........ how does that read ( not sound ) Muppet
[quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPounding4Burn ley[/bold] wrote: I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..[/p][/quote]Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley. How does that sound?[/p][/quote]Premier League Champions , League cup winners , only town club ever to play or likely to play in the Champions league ........ how does that read ( not sound ) Muppet flagstone
  • Score: 4

12:42pm Wed 14 May 14

George Oghani's Ironing Board says...

Look for Gods sake stop bloody moaning will you and get your hands in your pockets, anyway look on the bright side Dingles its only for one season so whats the problem.
Look for Gods sake stop bloody moaning will you and get your hands in your pockets, anyway look on the bright side Dingles its only for one season so whats the problem. George Oghani's Ironing Board
  • Score: 2

12:43pm Wed 14 May 14

onlyonesimongarner says...

After a great effort on the pitch and a deserved celebration, trust the money men to cash in .They are getting 120 Million minimum next year and this is going to add 1/2 Million max if they sell another 4000 ( Doubtfull) What is all this rubbish about being a burnley Fan or being a Premier league fan . I wonder what the away fans can expect to pay next year???? It all sounds like the board don`t have any thoughts for staying in the prem, no matter how hard the Team, The Fans and the Manager want it. What a meassge to send out
After a great effort on the pitch and a deserved celebration, trust the money men to cash in .They are getting 120 Million minimum next year and this is going to add 1/2 Million max if they sell another 4000 ( Doubtfull) What is all this rubbish about being a burnley Fan or being a Premier league fan . I wonder what the away fans can expect to pay next year???? It all sounds like the board don`t have any thoughts for staying in the prem, no matter how hard the Team, The Fans and the Manager want it. What a meassge to send out onlyonesimongarner
  • Score: 9

12:44pm Wed 14 May 14

MikeMada says...

AnotherPounding4Burn
ley
wrote:
I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..
Except the vast bulk of the income doesn't come from gate receipts! Numpty
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPounding4Burn ley[/bold] wrote: I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..[/p][/quote]Except the vast bulk of the income doesn't come from gate receipts! Numpty MikeMada
  • Score: -3

1:19pm Wed 14 May 14

houseclaret says...

flagstone wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
AnotherPounding4Burn


ley
wrote:
I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..
Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley.

How does that sound?
Premier League Champions , League cup winners , only town club ever to play or likely to play in the Champions league ........ how does that read ( not sound ) Muppet
Burnley have played in the Champions League, only it was correctly titled the European Cup, so have Ipswich (a town). So you are wrong there my Blue friend. And why is it now called the Champions League? A misnomer if ever there was one. The bulk of the teams playing in it aren't champions, and in some cases are never likely to be. At least when we were in it every participant was a champion of their country. Am I right in suspecting that you are of a younger generation who thinks football started with the prem and the CL?
[quote][p][bold]flagstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPounding4Burn ley[/bold] wrote: I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..[/p][/quote]Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley. How does that sound?[/p][/quote]Premier League Champions , League cup winners , only town club ever to play or likely to play in the Champions league ........ how does that read ( not sound ) Muppet[/p][/quote]Burnley have played in the Champions League, only it was correctly titled the European Cup, so have Ipswich (a town). So you are wrong there my Blue friend. And why is it now called the Champions League? A misnomer if ever there was one. The bulk of the teams playing in it aren't champions, and in some cases are never likely to be. At least when we were in it every participant was a champion of their country. Am I right in suspecting that you are of a younger generation who thinks football started with the prem and the CL? houseclaret
  • Score: 5

1:21pm Wed 14 May 14

RobH2O says...

flagstone wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
AnotherPounding4Burn


ley
wrote:
I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..
Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley.

How does that sound?
Premier League Champions , League cup winners , only town club ever to play or likely to play in the Champions league ........ how does that read ( not sound ) Muppet
1912 title bought by Lawrence Cotton. 1914 title bought by Lawrence Cotton.
1995 title bought by Jack Walker.

Rovers = 3 titles purchased, none earned.

How does that read Numpty?
[quote][p][bold]flagstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPounding4Burn ley[/bold] wrote: I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..[/p][/quote]Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley. How does that sound?[/p][/quote]Premier League Champions , League cup winners , only town club ever to play or likely to play in the Champions league ........ how does that read ( not sound ) Muppet[/p][/quote]1912 title bought by Lawrence Cotton. 1914 title bought by Lawrence Cotton. 1995 title bought by Jack Walker. Rovers = 3 titles purchased, none earned. How does that read Numpty? RobH2O
  • Score: 1

1:21pm Wed 14 May 14

FCBurnley says...

Hoos clearly has no idea of the havoc he has wreaked with this ill conceived idea. Firstly I cannot believe Hoos actually thought of the retainer idea. Secondly I cannot believe the board bought into it and thirdly I cannot believe they are actually trying to defend it. This is Burnley Mr Hoos, not New York or Los Angeles. Times are hard and money is tight. The fans love their club but you have pushed the limits way too far. This is a cheap American style scam to simply extract an extra 100 pounds. Let me offer you a simple more manageable way of making year 2 fans renew. Buy a 2014/15 season ticket and get a 20 % discount next season when you renew. How difficult was that. Reward the fans dont punish them. You CURRENTLY have a good product to sell and no one is complaining at the increased prices. Next year who knows. Maybe an even better product built on success but maybe back to the Championship and playing second fiddle to our neighbours. I understand the need to build a solid fan base but your Insane retainer idea will not do it. RECONSIDER NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE ! By the way, how many season tickets do we have to sell to pay YOUR salary ? UTC
Hoos clearly has no idea of the havoc he has wreaked with this ill conceived idea. Firstly I cannot believe Hoos actually thought of the retainer idea. Secondly I cannot believe the board bought into it and thirdly I cannot believe they are actually trying to defend it. This is Burnley Mr Hoos, not New York or Los Angeles. Times are hard and money is tight. The fans love their club but you have pushed the limits way too far. This is a cheap American style scam to simply extract an extra 100 pounds. Let me offer you a simple more manageable way of making year 2 fans renew. Buy a 2014/15 season ticket and get a 20 % discount next season when you renew. How difficult was that. Reward the fans dont punish them. You CURRENTLY have a good product to sell and no one is complaining at the increased prices. Next year who knows. Maybe an even better product built on success but maybe back to the Championship and playing second fiddle to our neighbours. I understand the need to build a solid fan base but your Insane retainer idea will not do it. RECONSIDER NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE ! By the way, how many season tickets do we have to sell to pay YOUR salary ? UTC FCBurnley
  • Score: 6

1:35pm Wed 14 May 14

houseclaret says...

FCBurnley wrote:
Hoos clearly has no idea of the havoc he has wreaked with this ill conceived idea. Firstly I cannot believe Hoos actually thought of the retainer idea. Secondly I cannot believe the board bought into it and thirdly I cannot believe they are actually trying to defend it. This is Burnley Mr Hoos, not New York or Los Angeles. Times are hard and money is tight. The fans love their club but you have pushed the limits way too far. This is a cheap American style scam to simply extract an extra 100 pounds. Let me offer you a simple more manageable way of making year 2 fans renew. Buy a 2014/15 season ticket and get a 20 % discount next season when you renew. How difficult was that. Reward the fans dont punish them. You CURRENTLY have a good product to sell and no one is complaining at the increased prices. Next year who knows. Maybe an even better product built on success but maybe back to the Championship and playing second fiddle to our neighbours. I understand the need to build a solid fan base but your Insane retainer idea will not do it. RECONSIDER NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE ! By the way, how many season tickets do we have to sell to pay YOUR salary ? UTC
I'm guessing at least 100 and probably more.
[quote][p][bold]FCBurnley[/bold] wrote: Hoos clearly has no idea of the havoc he has wreaked with this ill conceived idea. Firstly I cannot believe Hoos actually thought of the retainer idea. Secondly I cannot believe the board bought into it and thirdly I cannot believe they are actually trying to defend it. This is Burnley Mr Hoos, not New York or Los Angeles. Times are hard and money is tight. The fans love their club but you have pushed the limits way too far. This is a cheap American style scam to simply extract an extra 100 pounds. Let me offer you a simple more manageable way of making year 2 fans renew. Buy a 2014/15 season ticket and get a 20 % discount next season when you renew. How difficult was that. Reward the fans dont punish them. You CURRENTLY have a good product to sell and no one is complaining at the increased prices. Next year who knows. Maybe an even better product built on success but maybe back to the Championship and playing second fiddle to our neighbours. I understand the need to build a solid fan base but your Insane retainer idea will not do it. RECONSIDER NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE ! By the way, how many season tickets do we have to sell to pay YOUR salary ? UTC[/p][/quote]I'm guessing at least 100 and probably more. houseclaret
  • Score: 2

1:36pm Wed 14 May 14

Super_Clarets says...

flagstone wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
AnotherPounding4Burn


ley
wrote:
I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..
Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley.

How does that sound?
Premier League Champions , League cup winners , only town club ever to play or likely to play in the Champions league ........ how does that read ( not sound ) Muppet
Care to tell us which of these achievements were earned and which were bought? Thought not.

Overspending everyone around you is nothing to be proud of, and the sense of shame that all Blackburn Rovers fans carry with them must be unbearable now that you've been relegated (twice) and have rediscovered your level as a struggling mid-table side in the second tier of English football about to be molested by FFP. And on top of all that, you lost to Burnley!

To put it in perspective, in the time since Blackburn Rovers last won any form of honour fair and square (without a massive financial investment) which was the FA Cup way back in 1928, right up until the time that Jackpot Jack bought the league, you won NOTHING.

67 years worth of nothing.

During the same time period, Burnley won the English league title, reached 2 FA Cup finals, reached the European Cup Quarter Final and won the Charity Shield twice.

So can you explain the 67 years absence of silverware, and the coincidence of its return in conjunction with your club being backed to the tune of £100million? The simple fact is that your club only managed to scrape itself up into a temporary false position due to a massive cash injection.

How does that read?
[quote][p][bold]flagstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPounding4Burn ley[/bold] wrote: I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..[/p][/quote]Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley. How does that sound?[/p][/quote]Premier League Champions , League cup winners , only town club ever to play or likely to play in the Champions league ........ how does that read ( not sound ) Muppet[/p][/quote]Care to tell us which of these achievements were earned and which were bought? Thought not. Overspending everyone around you is nothing to be proud of, and the sense of shame that all Blackburn Rovers fans carry with them must be unbearable now that you've been relegated (twice) and have rediscovered your level as a struggling mid-table side in the second tier of English football about to be molested by FFP. And on top of all that, you lost to Burnley! To put it in perspective, in the time since Blackburn Rovers last won any form of honour fair and square (without a massive financial investment) which was the FA Cup way back in 1928, right up until the time that Jackpot Jack bought the league, you won NOTHING. 67 years worth of nothing. During the same time period, Burnley won the English league title, reached 2 FA Cup finals, reached the European Cup Quarter Final and won the Charity Shield twice. So can you explain the 67 years absence of silverware, and the coincidence of its return in conjunction with your club being backed to the tune of £100million? The simple fact is that your club only managed to scrape itself up into a temporary false position due to a massive cash injection. How does that read? Super_Clarets
  • Score: -2

1:40pm Wed 14 May 14

FCBurnley says...

houseclaret wrote:
FCBurnley wrote:
Hoos clearly has no idea of the havoc he has wreaked with this ill conceived idea. Firstly I cannot believe Hoos actually thought of the retainer idea. Secondly I cannot believe the board bought into it and thirdly I cannot believe they are actually trying to defend it. This is Burnley Mr Hoos, not New York or Los Angeles. Times are hard and money is tight. The fans love their club but you have pushed the limits way too far. This is a cheap American style scam to simply extract an extra 100 pounds. Let me offer you a simple more manageable way of making year 2 fans renew. Buy a 2014/15 season ticket and get a 20 % discount next season when you renew. How difficult was that. Reward the fans dont punish them. You CURRENTLY have a good product to sell and no one is complaining at the increased prices. Next year who knows. Maybe an even better product built on success but maybe back to the Championship and playing second fiddle to our neighbours. I understand the need to build a solid fan base but your Insane retainer idea will not do it. RECONSIDER NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE ! By the way, how many season tickets do we have to sell to pay YOUR salary ? UTC
I'm guessing at least 100 and probably more.
More like a 1000 !!
[quote][p][bold]houseclaret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FCBurnley[/bold] wrote: Hoos clearly has no idea of the havoc he has wreaked with this ill conceived idea. Firstly I cannot believe Hoos actually thought of the retainer idea. Secondly I cannot believe the board bought into it and thirdly I cannot believe they are actually trying to defend it. This is Burnley Mr Hoos, not New York or Los Angeles. Times are hard and money is tight. The fans love their club but you have pushed the limits way too far. This is a cheap American style scam to simply extract an extra 100 pounds. Let me offer you a simple more manageable way of making year 2 fans renew. Buy a 2014/15 season ticket and get a 20 % discount next season when you renew. How difficult was that. Reward the fans dont punish them. You CURRENTLY have a good product to sell and no one is complaining at the increased prices. Next year who knows. Maybe an even better product built on success but maybe back to the Championship and playing second fiddle to our neighbours. I understand the need to build a solid fan base but your Insane retainer idea will not do it. RECONSIDER NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE ! By the way, how many season tickets do we have to sell to pay YOUR salary ? UTC[/p][/quote]I'm guessing at least 100 and probably more.[/p][/quote]More like a 1000 !! FCBurnley
  • Score: 0

1:55pm Wed 14 May 14

oakdale blue 1875 says...

Same old bonley they get to the promised land and then fleece the retards , wait till all the freebies start signing in at t"turf thats when the stoopes vagabonds will boycott games . It will be à toss up between a bag of smack or à day out at the sh#thole of east lancs .
Dyche will walk as did coyle , enjoy your honeymoon period dingles , your board going to wring you out like an old sock and rovers will be laughing at you all the way back to the championship minus dyche , ings and trippier .
Cant wait for next season already .
Bonley , the whipping boys of the prem haha !
Same old bonley they get to the promised land and then fleece the retards , wait till all the freebies start signing in at t"turf thats when the stoopes vagabonds will boycott games . It will be à toss up between a bag of smack or à day out at the sh#thole of east lancs . Dyche will walk as did coyle , enjoy your honeymoon period dingles , your board going to wring you out like an old sock and rovers will be laughing at you all the way back to the championship minus dyche , ings and trippier . Cant wait for next season already . Bonley , the whipping boys of the prem haha ! oakdale blue 1875
  • Score: 4

2:11pm Wed 14 May 14

RobH2O says...

Super_Clarets wrote:
flagstone wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
AnotherPounding4Burn



ley
wrote:
I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..
Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley.

How does that sound?
Premier League Champions , League cup winners , only town club ever to play or likely to play in the Champions league ........ how does that read ( not sound ) Muppet
Care to tell us which of these achievements were earned and which were bought? Thought not.

Overspending everyone around you is nothing to be proud of, and the sense of shame that all Blackburn Rovers fans carry with them must be unbearable now that you've been relegated (twice) and have rediscovered your level as a struggling mid-table side in the second tier of English football about to be molested by FFP. And on top of all that, you lost to Burnley!

To put it in perspective, in the time since Blackburn Rovers last won any form of honour fair and square (without a massive financial investment) which was the FA Cup way back in 1928, right up until the time that Jackpot Jack bought the league, you won NOTHING.

67 years worth of nothing.

During the same time period, Burnley won the English league title, reached 2 FA Cup finals, reached the European Cup Quarter Final and won the Charity Shield twice.

So can you explain the 67 years absence of silverware, and the coincidence of its return in conjunction with your club being backed to the tune of £100million? The simple fact is that your club only managed to scrape itself up into a temporary false position due to a massive cash injection.

How does that read?
And Mr Super_Claret sir, we spent more years in the top flight during that period than they did. We also had more top 3 finishes in the top flight too!

They are not to good at this football lark when life is on a same-for-everyone basis now are they?

I do hope you don't mind me mentioning that!
[quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flagstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPounding4Burn ley[/bold] wrote: I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..[/p][/quote]Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley. How does that sound?[/p][/quote]Premier League Champions , League cup winners , only town club ever to play or likely to play in the Champions league ........ how does that read ( not sound ) Muppet[/p][/quote]Care to tell us which of these achievements were earned and which were bought? Thought not. Overspending everyone around you is nothing to be proud of, and the sense of shame that all Blackburn Rovers fans carry with them must be unbearable now that you've been relegated (twice) and have rediscovered your level as a struggling mid-table side in the second tier of English football about to be molested by FFP. And on top of all that, you lost to Burnley! To put it in perspective, in the time since Blackburn Rovers last won any form of honour fair and square (without a massive financial investment) which was the FA Cup way back in 1928, right up until the time that Jackpot Jack bought the league, you won NOTHING. 67 years worth of nothing. During the same time period, Burnley won the English league title, reached 2 FA Cup finals, reached the European Cup Quarter Final and won the Charity Shield twice. So can you explain the 67 years absence of silverware, and the coincidence of its return in conjunction with your club being backed to the tune of £100million? The simple fact is that your club only managed to scrape itself up into a temporary false position due to a massive cash injection. How does that read?[/p][/quote]And Mr Super_Claret sir, we spent more years in the top flight during that period than they did. We also had more top 3 finishes in the top flight too! They are not to good at this football lark when life is on a same-for-everyone basis now are they? I do hope you don't mind me mentioning that! RobH2O
  • Score: -1

2:25pm Wed 14 May 14

slants says...

jeez the stargazing moron house claret seems to be turning
jeez the stargazing moron house claret seems to be turning slants
  • Score: -4

2:28pm Wed 14 May 14

RobH2O says...

slants wrote:
jeez the stargazing moron house claret seems to be turning
Sorry? What was that? Nigerian Pigeon English? Or was it just illiterate jibber from a mental defective?
[quote][p][bold]slants[/bold] wrote: jeez the stargazing moron house claret seems to be turning[/p][/quote]Sorry? What was that? Nigerian Pigeon English? Or was it just illiterate jibber from a mental defective? RobH2O
  • Score: 1

2:42pm Wed 14 May 14

Bfc341 says...

"Commit to us for two years and we'll make sure your rewarded"

Can somebody please tell me how giving the club £100 extra now and getting it back in a years time is being rewarded??

"Stick with us and we'll knock £100 off the following year""

Your not knocking anything off Mr Hoo's. All your doing is giving me my £100 back.

This is just a scam.
"Commit to us for two years and we'll make sure your rewarded" Can somebody please tell me how giving the club £100 extra now and getting it back in a years time is being rewarded?? "Stick with us and we'll knock £100 off the following year"" Your not knocking anything off Mr Hoo's. All your doing is giving me my £100 back. This is just a scam. Bfc341
  • Score: 4

2:57pm Wed 14 May 14

McClaret says...

“This year if we get the revenue streams right that’s an extra two players "

Really Mr Hoos. Care to elaborate and say how much revenue will be generated and which 2 premier league players can be bought for that amount of money?
That is if you are budgeting to stay in the premier league of course - silly me the season ticket prices clearly reflect that the board is about to heavily invest in the squad and ensure this.
I must have completely misunderstood the reasons for the price hike and am looking forward to the assembly of our multiple million pound squad. Premier league squad for premier season ticket prices it is then. Somehow or other I doubt it.

Grab the cash and run with a crude idea. FCBurnley - spot on, there are other ways this can be achieved and reward not punishment is the right way round if you wish to retain supporters.
UTC
“This year if we get the revenue streams right that’s an extra two players " Really Mr Hoos. Care to elaborate and say how much revenue will be generated and which 2 premier league players can be bought for that amount of money? That is if you are budgeting to stay in the premier league of course - silly me the season ticket prices clearly reflect that the board is about to heavily invest in the squad and ensure this. I must have completely misunderstood the reasons for the price hike and am looking forward to the assembly of our multiple million pound squad. Premier league squad for premier season ticket prices it is then. Somehow or other I doubt it. Grab the cash and run with a crude idea. FCBurnley - spot on, there are other ways this can be achieved and reward not punishment is the right way round if you wish to retain supporters. UTC McClaret
  • Score: 1

2:58pm Wed 14 May 14

Scamp Kingsley says...

I doff my cap to Mr Hoos for targeting the PL glory hunters, the financially illiterate and the sad doubters for not bagging a (nailed on bargain) PL season ticket before the discount deadline, 12 THOUSAND PLUS did!
UTC the CLARETS in the PREMIER LEAGUE.
I doff my cap to Mr Hoos for targeting the PL glory hunters, the financially illiterate and the sad doubters for not bagging a (nailed on bargain) PL season ticket before the discount deadline, 12 THOUSAND PLUS did! UTC the CLARETS in the PREMIER LEAGUE. Scamp Kingsley
  • Score: 1

3:00pm Wed 14 May 14

McClaret says...

Didn't know they had put plastic seats in the cricket field stand? Because if they had that is how you would look sat in it for half of next season Mr Hoop!
Didn't know they had put plastic seats in the cricket field stand? Because if they had that is how you would look sat in it for half of next season Mr Hoop! McClaret
  • Score: 2

3:00pm Wed 14 May 14

RobH2O says...

Scamp Kingsley wrote:
I doff my cap to Mr Hoos for targeting the PL glory hunters, the financially illiterate and the sad doubters for not bagging a (nailed on bargain) PL season ticket before the discount deadline, 12 THOUSAND PLUS did!
UTC the CLARETS in the PREMIER LEAGUE.
Now Scamp, old bean, what if you didn't have the readies before the deadline and you do now? I agree. UTC. But I am a touch brassed off now, to say the least.
[quote][p][bold]Scamp Kingsley[/bold] wrote: I doff my cap to Mr Hoos for targeting the PL glory hunters, the financially illiterate and the sad doubters for not bagging a (nailed on bargain) PL season ticket before the discount deadline, 12 THOUSAND PLUS did! UTC the CLARETS in the PREMIER LEAGUE.[/p][/quote]Now Scamp, old bean, what if you didn't have the readies before the deadline and you do now? I agree. UTC. But I am a touch brassed off now, to say the least. RobH2O
  • Score: 5

3:05pm Wed 14 May 14

houseclaret says...

FCBurnley wrote:
houseclaret wrote:
FCBurnley wrote:
Hoos clearly has no idea of the havoc he has wreaked with this ill conceived idea. Firstly I cannot believe Hoos actually thought of the retainer idea. Secondly I cannot believe the board bought into it and thirdly I cannot believe they are actually trying to defend it. This is Burnley Mr Hoos, not New York or Los Angeles. Times are hard and money is tight. The fans love their club but you have pushed the limits way too far. This is a cheap American style scam to simply extract an extra 100 pounds. Let me offer you a simple more manageable way of making year 2 fans renew. Buy a 2014/15 season ticket and get a 20 % discount next season when you renew. How difficult was that. Reward the fans dont punish them. You CURRENTLY have a good product to sell and no one is complaining at the increased prices. Next year who knows. Maybe an even better product built on success but maybe back to the Championship and playing second fiddle to our neighbours. I understand the need to build a solid fan base but your Insane retainer idea will not do it. RECONSIDER NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE ! By the way, how many season tickets do we have to sell to pay YOUR salary ? UTC
I'm guessing at least 100 and probably more.
More like a 1000 !!
Might be. No idea how much he gets but I was basing my estimate on an extremely modest (in football terms) of 60k plus a year. Realistically could be on at least double that, so 200 tickets. Could be as many as the number lost in the JH stand for Sky. Either way it's a sobering thought.
[quote][p][bold]FCBurnley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]houseclaret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FCBurnley[/bold] wrote: Hoos clearly has no idea of the havoc he has wreaked with this ill conceived idea. Firstly I cannot believe Hoos actually thought of the retainer idea. Secondly I cannot believe the board bought into it and thirdly I cannot believe they are actually trying to defend it. This is Burnley Mr Hoos, not New York or Los Angeles. Times are hard and money is tight. The fans love their club but you have pushed the limits way too far. This is a cheap American style scam to simply extract an extra 100 pounds. Let me offer you a simple more manageable way of making year 2 fans renew. Buy a 2014/15 season ticket and get a 20 % discount next season when you renew. How difficult was that. Reward the fans dont punish them. You CURRENTLY have a good product to sell and no one is complaining at the increased prices. Next year who knows. Maybe an even better product built on success but maybe back to the Championship and playing second fiddle to our neighbours. I understand the need to build a solid fan base but your Insane retainer idea will not do it. RECONSIDER NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE ! By the way, how many season tickets do we have to sell to pay YOUR salary ? UTC[/p][/quote]I'm guessing at least 100 and probably more.[/p][/quote]More like a 1000 !![/p][/quote]Might be. No idea how much he gets but I was basing my estimate on an extremely modest (in football terms) of 60k plus a year. Realistically could be on at least double that, so 200 tickets. Could be as many as the number lost in the JH stand for Sky. Either way it's a sobering thought. houseclaret
  • Score: 0

3:05pm Wed 14 May 14

Super_Clarets says...

RobH2O wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
flagstone wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
AnotherPounding4Burn




ley
wrote:
I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..
Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley.

How does that sound?
Premier League Champions , League cup winners , only town club ever to play or likely to play in the Champions league ........ how does that read ( not sound ) Muppet
Care to tell us which of these achievements were earned and which were bought? Thought not.

Overspending everyone around you is nothing to be proud of, and the sense of shame that all Blackburn Rovers fans carry with them must be unbearable now that you've been relegated (twice) and have rediscovered your level as a struggling mid-table side in the second tier of English football about to be molested by FFP. And on top of all that, you lost to Burnley!

To put it in perspective, in the time since Blackburn Rovers last won any form of honour fair and square (without a massive financial investment) which was the FA Cup way back in 1928, right up until the time that Jackpot Jack bought the league, you won NOTHING.

67 years worth of nothing.

During the same time period, Burnley won the English league title, reached 2 FA Cup finals, reached the European Cup Quarter Final and won the Charity Shield twice.

So can you explain the 67 years absence of silverware, and the coincidence of its return in conjunction with your club being backed to the tune of £100million? The simple fact is that your club only managed to scrape itself up into a temporary false position due to a massive cash injection.

How does that read?
And Mr Super_Claret sir, we spent more years in the top flight during that period than they did. We also had more top 3 finishes in the top flight too!

They are not to good at this football lark when life is on a same-for-everyone basis now are they?

I do hope you don't mind me mentioning that!
Not at all. In fact I forgot to mention that Burnley also won a league title in all four divisions of the English game during this same period. It just goes to show that on a level playing field the no-dads have been well and truly battered for 67 years, a abysmal showing and no mistake.

It is perhaps representative of the intellect of the majority of no-dad's that they fail to acknowledge the existence of the game of football prior to 1995.

Arrogance of the highest order, and fitting that they are now right back where they started, looking up at their Claret and Blue superiors, a team that they can only dream of competing against.
[quote][p][bold]RobH2O[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flagstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPounding4Burn ley[/bold] wrote: I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..[/p][/quote]Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley. How does that sound?[/p][/quote]Premier League Champions , League cup winners , only town club ever to play or likely to play in the Champions league ........ how does that read ( not sound ) Muppet[/p][/quote]Care to tell us which of these achievements were earned and which were bought? Thought not. Overspending everyone around you is nothing to be proud of, and the sense of shame that all Blackburn Rovers fans carry with them must be unbearable now that you've been relegated (twice) and have rediscovered your level as a struggling mid-table side in the second tier of English football about to be molested by FFP. And on top of all that, you lost to Burnley! To put it in perspective, in the time since Blackburn Rovers last won any form of honour fair and square (without a massive financial investment) which was the FA Cup way back in 1928, right up until the time that Jackpot Jack bought the league, you won NOTHING. 67 years worth of nothing. During the same time period, Burnley won the English league title, reached 2 FA Cup finals, reached the European Cup Quarter Final and won the Charity Shield twice. So can you explain the 67 years absence of silverware, and the coincidence of its return in conjunction with your club being backed to the tune of £100million? The simple fact is that your club only managed to scrape itself up into a temporary false position due to a massive cash injection. How does that read?[/p][/quote]And Mr Super_Claret sir, we spent more years in the top flight during that period than they did. We also had more top 3 finishes in the top flight too! They are not to good at this football lark when life is on a same-for-everyone basis now are they? I do hope you don't mind me mentioning that![/p][/quote]Not at all. In fact I forgot to mention that Burnley also won a league title in all four divisions of the English game during this same period. It just goes to show that on a level playing field the no-dads have been well and truly battered for 67 years, a abysmal showing and no mistake. It is perhaps representative of the intellect of the majority of no-dad's that they fail to acknowledge the existence of the game of football prior to 1995. Arrogance of the highest order, and fitting that they are now right back where they started, looking up at their Claret and Blue superiors, a team that they can only dream of competing against. Super_Clarets
  • Score: 3

3:34pm Wed 14 May 14

houseclaret says...

Scamp Kingsley wrote:
I doff my cap to Mr Hoos for targeting the PL glory hunters, the financially illiterate and the sad doubters for not bagging a (nailed on bargain) PL season ticket before the discount deadline, 12 THOUSAND PLUS did!
UTC the CLARETS in the PREMIER LEAGUE.
Oh dear, oh dear. Another "look at me I bought my season at-----" gloater who obviously doesn't want to expand Burnley's fan base so that he can remain one of the faithful few. What is it with you people? You are like someone who has a favourite band that hasn't quite made it then suddenly gets cheesed off when they become popular. It's called "elitism". What would you rather have: a ground 75% full of "genuine" Burnley fans or a full ground with hangers-on, some of whom may stay post-relegation (if it happens)? Every team (and I mean every team) loses support after a relegation, it happens. But if you can gain "converts" from a small percentage of the new ones then that is what is called "growth". It is good business sense. No business can afford to stand still and exist off current customers. Old fans leave the area, fall out with football or just sadly die. What are you intending to replace them with if not newcomers? And what is the way to get new customers? Offer an affordable package in the hope that at least some will stay.
I am proud to be a lifelong Claret but I want a future for my club, a real future investing in new fans, not short termism for a quick fix.
[quote][p][bold]Scamp Kingsley[/bold] wrote: I doff my cap to Mr Hoos for targeting the PL glory hunters, the financially illiterate and the sad doubters for not bagging a (nailed on bargain) PL season ticket before the discount deadline, 12 THOUSAND PLUS did! UTC the CLARETS in the PREMIER LEAGUE.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, oh dear. Another "look at me I bought my season at-----" gloater who obviously doesn't want to expand Burnley's fan base so that he can remain one of the faithful few. What is it with you people? You are like someone who has a favourite band that hasn't quite made it then suddenly gets cheesed off when they become popular. It's called "elitism". What would you rather have: a ground 75% full of "genuine" Burnley fans or a full ground with hangers-on, some of whom may stay post-relegation (if it happens)? Every team (and I mean every team) loses support after a relegation, it happens. But if you can gain "converts" from a small percentage of the new ones then that is what is called "growth". It is good business sense. No business can afford to stand still and exist off current customers. Old fans leave the area, fall out with football or just sadly die. What are you intending to replace them with if not newcomers? And what is the way to get new customers? Offer an affordable package in the hope that at least some will stay. I am proud to be a lifelong Claret but I want a future for my club, a real future investing in new fans, not short termism for a quick fix. houseclaret
  • Score: 1

3:40pm Wed 14 May 14

onlyonesimongarner says...

The Dingles are Revolting !!!!!
The Dingles are Revolting !!!!! onlyonesimongarner
  • Score: -2

3:58pm Wed 14 May 14

houseclaret says...

onlyonesimongarner wrote:
The Dingles are Revolting !!!!!
No, we're having a debate. You lot wouldn't understand that. Nobody is calling for the manager's head, trying to get rid of the board or organising protests. It's called open debate. We are allowed, on our own forum, to have these discussions. Come next season we will all be shouting our team on as one, not gathering around in huddles with our own little agendas or forming "committees" to "get our club back".
Incidentally, how do you smuggle a live chicken into a football ground, especially at a match as high on security as the Burnley game?
[quote][p][bold]onlyonesimongarner[/bold] wrote: The Dingles are Revolting !!!!![/p][/quote]No, we're having a debate. You lot wouldn't understand that. Nobody is calling for the manager's head, trying to get rid of the board or organising protests. It's called open debate. We are allowed, on our own forum, to have these discussions. Come next season we will all be shouting our team on as one, not gathering around in huddles with our own little agendas or forming "committees" to "get our club back". Incidentally, how do you smuggle a live chicken into a football ground, especially at a match as high on security as the Burnley game? houseclaret
  • Score: -3

4:01pm Wed 14 May 14

RobH2O says...

onlyonesimongarner wrote:
The Dingles are Revolting !!!!!
Ooo. A play on words. Aren't you a cover little Woaver. And thank the Lord there're is only one Simon Garner. Mind you, so much ugly juice was used to bend the face of that muppet that there was not enough to create another such challenging fizog.
[quote][p][bold]onlyonesimongarner[/bold] wrote: The Dingles are Revolting !!!!![/p][/quote]Ooo. A play on words. Aren't you a cover little Woaver. And thank the Lord there're is only one Simon Garner. Mind you, so much ugly juice was used to bend the face of that muppet that there was not enough to create another such challenging fizog. RobH2O
  • Score: -2

4:20pm Wed 14 May 14

RobH2O says...

houseclaret wrote:
onlyonesimongarner wrote:
The Dingles are Revolting !!!!!
No, we're having a debate. You lot wouldn't understand that. Nobody is calling for the manager's head, trying to get rid of the board or organising protests. It's called open debate. We are allowed, on our own forum, to have these discussions. Come next season we will all be shouting our team on as one, not gathering around in huddles with our own little agendas or forming "committees" to "get our club back".
Incidentally, how do you smuggle a live chicken into a football ground, especially at a match as high on security as the Burnley game?
On the guest list House Claret. Venky family member! Cousin Tikka I believe.
[quote][p][bold]houseclaret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]onlyonesimongarner[/bold] wrote: The Dingles are Revolting !!!!![/p][/quote]No, we're having a debate. You lot wouldn't understand that. Nobody is calling for the manager's head, trying to get rid of the board or organising protests. It's called open debate. We are allowed, on our own forum, to have these discussions. Come next season we will all be shouting our team on as one, not gathering around in huddles with our own little agendas or forming "committees" to "get our club back". Incidentally, how do you smuggle a live chicken into a football ground, especially at a match as high on security as the Burnley game?[/p][/quote]On the guest list House Claret. Venky family member! Cousin Tikka I believe. RobH2O
  • Score: 2

4:41pm Wed 14 May 14

FCBurnley says...

houseclaret wrote:
FCBurnley wrote:
houseclaret wrote:
FCBurnley wrote:
Hoos clearly has no idea of the havoc he has wreaked with this ill conceived idea. Firstly I cannot believe Hoos actually thought of the retainer idea. Secondly I cannot believe the board bought into it and thirdly I cannot believe they are actually trying to defend it. This is Burnley Mr Hoos, not New York or Los Angeles. Times are hard and money is tight. The fans love their club but you have pushed the limits way too far. This is a cheap American style scam to simply extract an extra 100 pounds. Let me offer you a simple more manageable way of making year 2 fans renew. Buy a 2014/15 season ticket and get a 20 % discount next season when you renew. How difficult was that. Reward the fans dont punish them. You CURRENTLY have a good product to sell and no one is complaining at the increased prices. Next year who knows. Maybe an even better product built on success but maybe back to the Championship and playing second fiddle to our neighbours. I understand the need to build a solid fan base but your Insane retainer idea will not do it. RECONSIDER NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE ! By the way, how many season tickets do we have to sell to pay YOUR salary ? UTC
I'm guessing at least 100 and probably more.
More like a 1000 !!
Might be. No idea how much he gets but I was basing my estimate on an extremely modest (in football terms) of 60k plus a year. Realistically could be on at least double that, so 200 tickets. Could be as many as the number lost in the JH stand for Sky. Either way it's a sobering thought.
His salary will be nearer to 600k than 60k ! Hoos is the CEO of a premier league club whose players earn tens of thousands of pounds a week. He would be picking up his P45 today if I were Chairman.
[quote][p][bold]houseclaret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FCBurnley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]houseclaret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FCBurnley[/bold] wrote: Hoos clearly has no idea of the havoc he has wreaked with this ill conceived idea. Firstly I cannot believe Hoos actually thought of the retainer idea. Secondly I cannot believe the board bought into it and thirdly I cannot believe they are actually trying to defend it. This is Burnley Mr Hoos, not New York or Los Angeles. Times are hard and money is tight. The fans love their club but you have pushed the limits way too far. This is a cheap American style scam to simply extract an extra 100 pounds. Let me offer you a simple more manageable way of making year 2 fans renew. Buy a 2014/15 season ticket and get a 20 % discount next season when you renew. How difficult was that. Reward the fans dont punish them. You CURRENTLY have a good product to sell and no one is complaining at the increased prices. Next year who knows. Maybe an even better product built on success but maybe back to the Championship and playing second fiddle to our neighbours. I understand the need to build a solid fan base but your Insane retainer idea will not do it. RECONSIDER NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE ! By the way, how many season tickets do we have to sell to pay YOUR salary ? UTC[/p][/quote]I'm guessing at least 100 and probably more.[/p][/quote]More like a 1000 !![/p][/quote]Might be. No idea how much he gets but I was basing my estimate on an extremely modest (in football terms) of 60k plus a year. Realistically could be on at least double that, so 200 tickets. Could be as many as the number lost in the JH stand for Sky. Either way it's a sobering thought.[/p][/quote]His salary will be nearer to 600k than 60k ! Hoos is the CEO of a premier league club whose players earn tens of thousands of pounds a week. He would be picking up his P45 today if I were Chairman. FCBurnley
  • Score: 0

4:56pm Wed 14 May 14

houseclaret says...

RobH2O wrote:
houseclaret wrote:
onlyonesimongarner wrote:
The Dingles are Revolting !!!!!
No, we're having a debate. You lot wouldn't understand that. Nobody is calling for the manager's head, trying to get rid of the board or organising protests. It's called open debate. We are allowed, on our own forum, to have these discussions. Come next season we will all be shouting our team on as one, not gathering around in huddles with our own little agendas or forming "committees" to "get our club back".
Incidentally, how do you smuggle a live chicken into a football ground, especially at a match as high on security as the Burnley game?
On the guest list House Claret. Venky family member! Cousin Tikka I believe.
Priceless! Love it, Rob, spot on.
[quote][p][bold]RobH2O[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]houseclaret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]onlyonesimongarner[/bold] wrote: The Dingles are Revolting !!!!![/p][/quote]No, we're having a debate. You lot wouldn't understand that. Nobody is calling for the manager's head, trying to get rid of the board or organising protests. It's called open debate. We are allowed, on our own forum, to have these discussions. Come next season we will all be shouting our team on as one, not gathering around in huddles with our own little agendas or forming "committees" to "get our club back". Incidentally, how do you smuggle a live chicken into a football ground, especially at a match as high on security as the Burnley game?[/p][/quote]On the guest list House Claret. Venky family member! Cousin Tikka I believe.[/p][/quote]Priceless! Love it, Rob, spot on. houseclaret
  • Score: -1

4:58pm Wed 14 May 14

houseclaret says...

FCBurnley wrote:
houseclaret wrote:
FCBurnley wrote:
houseclaret wrote:
FCBurnley wrote:
Hoos clearly has no idea of the havoc he has wreaked with this ill conceived idea. Firstly I cannot believe Hoos actually thought of the retainer idea. Secondly I cannot believe the board bought into it and thirdly I cannot believe they are actually trying to defend it. This is Burnley Mr Hoos, not New York or Los Angeles. Times are hard and money is tight. The fans love their club but you have pushed the limits way too far. This is a cheap American style scam to simply extract an extra 100 pounds. Let me offer you a simple more manageable way of making year 2 fans renew. Buy a 2014/15 season ticket and get a 20 % discount next season when you renew. How difficult was that. Reward the fans dont punish them. You CURRENTLY have a good product to sell and no one is complaining at the increased prices. Next year who knows. Maybe an even better product built on success but maybe back to the Championship and playing second fiddle to our neighbours. I understand the need to build a solid fan base but your Insane retainer idea will not do it. RECONSIDER NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE ! By the way, how many season tickets do we have to sell to pay YOUR salary ? UTC
I'm guessing at least 100 and probably more.
More like a 1000 !!
Might be. No idea how much he gets but I was basing my estimate on an extremely modest (in football terms) of 60k plus a year. Realistically could be on at least double that, so 200 tickets. Could be as many as the number lost in the JH stand for Sky. Either way it's a sobering thought.
His salary will be nearer to 600k than 60k ! Hoos is the CEO of a premier league club whose players earn tens of thousands of pounds a week. He would be picking up his P45 today if I were Chairman.
Could be right. Fact is I haven't a clue how much a football club CEO gets. Not as much as players though but a good deal more than me.
[quote][p][bold]FCBurnley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]houseclaret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FCBurnley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]houseclaret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FCBurnley[/bold] wrote: Hoos clearly has no idea of the havoc he has wreaked with this ill conceived idea. Firstly I cannot believe Hoos actually thought of the retainer idea. Secondly I cannot believe the board bought into it and thirdly I cannot believe they are actually trying to defend it. This is Burnley Mr Hoos, not New York or Los Angeles. Times are hard and money is tight. The fans love their club but you have pushed the limits way too far. This is a cheap American style scam to simply extract an extra 100 pounds. Let me offer you a simple more manageable way of making year 2 fans renew. Buy a 2014/15 season ticket and get a 20 % discount next season when you renew. How difficult was that. Reward the fans dont punish them. You CURRENTLY have a good product to sell and no one is complaining at the increased prices. Next year who knows. Maybe an even better product built on success but maybe back to the Championship and playing second fiddle to our neighbours. I understand the need to build a solid fan base but your Insane retainer idea will not do it. RECONSIDER NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE ! By the way, how many season tickets do we have to sell to pay YOUR salary ? UTC[/p][/quote]I'm guessing at least 100 and probably more.[/p][/quote]More like a 1000 !![/p][/quote]Might be. No idea how much he gets but I was basing my estimate on an extremely modest (in football terms) of 60k plus a year. Realistically could be on at least double that, so 200 tickets. Could be as many as the number lost in the JH stand for Sky. Either way it's a sobering thought.[/p][/quote]His salary will be nearer to 600k than 60k ! Hoos is the CEO of a premier league club whose players earn tens of thousands of pounds a week. He would be picking up his P45 today if I were Chairman.[/p][/quote]Could be right. Fact is I haven't a clue how much a football club CEO gets. Not as much as players though but a good deal more than me. houseclaret
  • Score: 0

6:22pm Wed 14 May 14

McClaret says...

Scamp Kingsley wrote:
I doff my cap to Mr Hoos for targeting the PL glory hunters, the financially illiterate and the sad doubters for not bagging a (nailed on bargain) PL season ticket before the discount deadline, 12 THOUSAND PLUS did!
UTC the CLARETS in the PREMIER LEAGUE.
Scamp
Would you keep it the '12,000+ 'Fan club' forever then? Where did 12,000+ come from anyway, go back 20 years and there was less than one sixth of that amount on - how do you work that one out then - did they jump on the bandwagon after the 4th division title. Did they jump on the bandwagon when promoted to the championship and leave again when relegated only to return again when Stan took us up. Off course they did and there are many of those amongst your beloved 13,000 that would soon turn their backs if we went down to lower league football again.
Does that make over 90% of the beloved 12,000+ glory hunters at some stage? For me it doesn't, it simply means that they have the money and time to go and support their favourite team.
I wonder how many true Clarets who for a multitude of reasons have been priced out by this policy?
I live in Cheshire, have 2 small kids and all the cost that comes with that. I can't afford to pay over £400 for their tickets, especially when they will miss night matches etc. What policy does the club have for upgrading these tickets if the can't go to the match - F all is what it has because it scrapped it. So when my kids start supporting City because their class mates do then that is 2 potential fans down the drain. Still as long as we have 12000+ 'Diehards' then all will be fine.
Don't think for the future think for today! Great policy.
UTC
[quote][p][bold]Scamp Kingsley[/bold] wrote: I doff my cap to Mr Hoos for targeting the PL glory hunters, the financially illiterate and the sad doubters for not bagging a (nailed on bargain) PL season ticket before the discount deadline, 12 THOUSAND PLUS did! UTC the CLARETS in the PREMIER LEAGUE.[/p][/quote]Scamp Would you keep it the '12,000+ 'Fan club' forever then? Where did 12,000+ come from anyway, go back 20 years and there was less than one sixth of that amount on - how do you work that one out then - did they jump on the bandwagon after the 4th division title. Did they jump on the bandwagon when promoted to the championship and leave again when relegated only to return again when Stan took us up. Off course they did and there are many of those amongst your beloved 13,000 that would soon turn their backs if we went down to lower league football again. Does that make over 90% of the beloved 12,000+ glory hunters at some stage? For me it doesn't, it simply means that they have the money and time to go and support their favourite team. I wonder how many true Clarets who for a multitude of reasons have been priced out by this policy? I live in Cheshire, have 2 small kids and all the cost that comes with that. I can't afford to pay over £400 for their tickets, especially when they will miss night matches etc. What policy does the club have for upgrading these tickets if the can't go to the match - F all is what it has because it scrapped it. So when my kids start supporting City because their class mates do then that is 2 potential fans down the drain. Still as long as we have 12000+ 'Diehards' then all will be fine. Don't think for the future think for today! Great policy. UTC McClaret
  • Score: 2

6:23pm Wed 14 May 14

hugofakenham says...

flagstone wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
AnotherPounding4Burn


ley
wrote:
I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..
Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley.

How does that sound?
Premier League Champions , League cup winners , only town club ever to play or likely to play in the Champions league ........ how does that read ( not sound ) Muppet
Has beens...............
....................
......how does that sound?
[quote][p][bold]flagstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPounding4Burn ley[/bold] wrote: I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..[/p][/quote]Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley. How does that sound?[/p][/quote]Premier League Champions , League cup winners , only town club ever to play or likely to play in the Champions league ........ how does that read ( not sound ) Muppet[/p][/quote]Has beens............... .................... ......how does that sound? hugofakenham
  • Score: 2

6:30pm Wed 14 May 14

owd nick says...

RobH2O wrote:
flagstone wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
AnotherPounding4Burn



ley
wrote:
I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..
Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley.

How does that sound?
Premier League Champions , League cup winners , only town club ever to play or likely to play in the Champions league ........ how does that read ( not sound ) Muppet
1912 title bought by Lawrence Cotton. 1914 title bought by Lawrence Cotton.
1995 title bought by Jack Walker.

Rovers = 3 titles purchased, none earned.

How does that read Numpty?
At least that proves we have people willing to invest in us over a century, unlike your board who are ripping you off.

I could understand them doing this if they were beating Burnley fans off with a stick, but they aren't.
[quote][p][bold]RobH2O[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flagstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPounding4Burn ley[/bold] wrote: I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..[/p][/quote]Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley. How does that sound?[/p][/quote]Premier League Champions , League cup winners , only town club ever to play or likely to play in the Champions league ........ how does that read ( not sound ) Muppet[/p][/quote]1912 title bought by Lawrence Cotton. 1914 title bought by Lawrence Cotton. 1995 title bought by Jack Walker. Rovers = 3 titles purchased, none earned. How does that read Numpty?[/p][/quote]At least that proves we have people willing to invest in us over a century, unlike your board who are ripping you off. I could understand them doing this if they were beating Burnley fans off with a stick, but they aren't. owd nick
  • Score: 2

7:14pm Wed 14 May 14

stevieclaret says...

AnotherPounding4Burn
ley
wrote:
I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..
Better to be an also ran than a non runner ready for the glue factory...
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPounding4Burn ley[/bold] wrote: I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..[/p][/quote]Better to be an also ran than a non runner ready for the glue factory... stevieclaret
  • Score: -1

7:36pm Wed 14 May 14

stevieclaret says...

flagstone wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
AnotherPounding4Burn


ley
wrote:
I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..
Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley.

How does that sound?
Premier League Champions , League cup winners , only town club ever to play or likely to play in the Champions league ........ how does that read ( not sound ) Muppet
We won the top league and got to the quarter finals of the European cup. A far better achievement than yours!! U live in cloud chicken land!!!
[quote][p][bold]flagstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPounding4Burn ley[/bold] wrote: I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..[/p][/quote]Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley. How does that sound?[/p][/quote]Premier League Champions , League cup winners , only town club ever to play or likely to play in the Champions league ........ how does that read ( not sound ) Muppet[/p][/quote]We won the top league and got to the quarter finals of the European cup. A far better achievement than yours!! U live in cloud chicken land!!! stevieclaret
  • Score: -1

8:06pm Wed 14 May 14

RobH2O says...

owd nick wrote:
RobH2O wrote:
flagstone wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
AnotherPounding4Burn




ley
wrote:
I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..
Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley.

How does that sound?
Premier League Champions , League cup winners , only town club ever to play or likely to play in the Champions league ........ how does that read ( not sound ) Muppet
1912 title bought by Lawrence Cotton. 1914 title bought by Lawrence Cotton.
1995 title bought by Jack Walker.

Rovers = 3 titles purchased, none earned.

How does that read Numpty?
At least that proves we have people willing to invest in us over a century, unlike your board who are ripping you off.

I could understand them doing this if they were beating Burnley fans off with a stick, but they aren't.
The definition of Investment is the generation of a a profit from funds speculated. This is NOT what Cotton or Walker were doing. They were lobbing in money in the hope that trophies would be won. They recognised that Rovers would not win anything without it - its why they did it. They bought success. This is not Investment. No profit was drawn as a consequence and payable back to them.

Lobbing in extra money did not occur over a whole century. It occurred over around 14 years in total, in roughly two seven year bursts; the early 1910's and the 1990's.

Our board did not rip us off. They stumped up a loan based on the forward projection of repayment, with interest. They took the training ground and the stadium as security. That's a normal secured loan transaction. They can only take the money back, with interest, if the club has reached a point where the cash is available to do so. That point arrived. They EARNED promotion. The directors received repayment of the loan.

Your last point is a jibe, not some sort of worthy point. We produce a bigger crowd than you do when calculated as a percentage of the home town population.

Anything else? No? Good. Blackburn Rovers - the club with success that wasbought and paid for at the cost of all the other clubs in their division.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RobH2O[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flagstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPounding4Burn ley[/bold] wrote: I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..[/p][/quote]Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley. How does that sound?[/p][/quote]Premier League Champions , League cup winners , only town club ever to play or likely to play in the Champions league ........ how does that read ( not sound ) Muppet[/p][/quote]1912 title bought by Lawrence Cotton. 1914 title bought by Lawrence Cotton. 1995 title bought by Jack Walker. Rovers = 3 titles purchased, none earned. How does that read Numpty?[/p][/quote]At least that proves we have people willing to invest in us over a century, unlike your board who are ripping you off. I could understand them doing this if they were beating Burnley fans off with a stick, but they aren't.[/p][/quote]The definition of Investment is the generation of a a profit from funds speculated. This is NOT what Cotton or Walker were doing. They were lobbing in money in the hope that trophies would be won. They recognised that Rovers would not win anything without it - its why they did it. They bought success. This is not Investment. No profit was drawn as a consequence and payable back to them. Lobbing in extra money did not occur over a whole century. It occurred over around 14 years in total, in roughly two seven year bursts; the early 1910's and the 1990's. Our board did not rip us off. They stumped up a loan based on the forward projection of repayment, with interest. They took the training ground and the stadium as security. That's a normal secured loan transaction. They can only take the money back, with interest, if the club has reached a point where the cash is available to do so. That point arrived. They EARNED promotion. The directors received repayment of the loan. Your last point is a jibe, not some sort of worthy point. We produce a bigger crowd than you do when calculated as a percentage of the home town population. Anything else? No? Good. Blackburn Rovers - the club with success that wasbought and paid for at the cost of all the other clubs in their division. RobH2O
  • Score: -1

8:17pm Wed 14 May 14

sallycinamon says...

Can't see why this is getting any bad press at all. They had the early bird offer and now prices are in line with premier league prices with £100 back for the following season. What's the problem? Good deals and good business sense from the club.
Can't see why this is getting any bad press at all. They had the early bird offer and now prices are in line with premier league prices with £100 back for the following season. What's the problem? Good deals and good business sense from the club. sallycinamon
  • Score: -2

9:47pm Wed 14 May 14

burnleyfan4life says...

I really think many people inc season ticket holders are missing key factors!!

Being a season ticket holder does not define someone as being a fan - For many years I worked on a Saturday afternoon as do many other fans - On holidays I went on a Sat, attended all midweek/sunday games, a few away games and most cup games - I went on the Orient game and have been a true claret all my life!! I was however not a season ticket holder - THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME ANY LESS A FAN NOR A GLORY HUNTER.

Being in the premier league brings a whole new dynamic!! A lot of games (in fact most games) are not played Saturday afternoon anymore when you are in the premier league (TV decides) So allof a sudden instead of only being able to attend 8/9 from 23 games I can now go 14 or so from 19.

Another added fact was learnt from the last time we were in the premier league - I could not always get a ticket - especially if they were big games and if I did it was in the worst positions u can thing off.

So when promotion was confirmed the decision changed from 'a season ticket is wasted on me and i will use flexi tickets or just go on on an ad hoc basis when i could' to ' ' A season ticket now makes sense or actually is a must!!' There are 1000's in this situation from people working to people having family commitments or living away etc etc - It does not make them a premier league glory hunter.

Some season ticket holders seem to hold this naive viewpoint and it seems the board do too!!! These people cannot attend enough of the games in the championship and a season ticket is completely no good for them when we play at that level!! They revert back to going on individual games or using flexi tickets - THEY ARE IN NO WAY ANY LESS A FAN!!!!!!!

Relegation and they are flushing £100 away as they cannot go to Sat afternoon games again!.

Very poor thought and it needs a u turn.

\n.b. I took the gamble and bought but some didn't as they could not afford the risk (and we have blown up before!!!)

The best way to ensure the faNs remain is simple -

STAY IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE.!!! TO DO THAT THEY NEED THE 12TH MAN IN FULL VOICE IN A PACKED TO THE RAFTERS TURF MOOR!¬!!! DO NOT ALIENATE THE FANS AND RISK EMPTY SEATS!!i
I really think many people inc season ticket holders are missing key factors!! Being a season ticket holder does not define someone as being a fan - For many years I worked on a Saturday afternoon as do many other fans - On holidays I went on a Sat, attended all midweek/sunday games, a few away games and most cup games - I went on the Orient game and have been a true claret all my life!! I was however not a season ticket holder - THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME ANY LESS A FAN NOR A GLORY HUNTER. Being in the premier league brings a whole new dynamic!! A lot of games (in fact most games) are not played Saturday afternoon anymore when you are in the premier league (TV decides) So allof a sudden instead of only being able to attend 8/9 from 23 games I can now go 14 or so from 19. Another added fact was learnt from the last time we were in the premier league - I could not always get a ticket - especially if they were big games and if I did it was in the worst positions u can thing off. So when promotion was confirmed the decision changed from 'a season ticket is wasted on me and i will use flexi tickets or just go on on an ad hoc basis when i could' to ' ' A season ticket now makes sense or actually is a must!!' There are 1000's in this situation from people working to people having family commitments or living away etc etc - It does not make them a premier league glory hunter. Some season ticket holders seem to hold this naive viewpoint and it seems the board do too!!! These people cannot attend enough of the games in the championship and a season ticket is completely no good for them when we play at that level!! They revert back to going on individual games or using flexi tickets - THEY ARE IN NO WAY ANY LESS A FAN!!!!!!! Relegation and they are flushing £100 away as they cannot go to Sat afternoon games again!. Very poor thought and it needs a u turn. \n.b. I took the gamble and bought but some didn't as they could not afford the risk (and we have blown up before!!!) The best way to ensure the faNs remain is simple - STAY IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE.!!! TO DO THAT THEY NEED THE 12TH MAN IN FULL VOICE IN A PACKED TO THE RAFTERS TURF MOOR!¬!!! DO NOT ALIENATE THE FANS AND RISK EMPTY SEATS!!i burnleyfan4life
  • Score: 1

9:48pm Wed 14 May 14

wilddog says...

thats 3 times you have removed my comment LET! It was not even offensive! Delete this one ya nobs!
thats 3 times you have removed my comment LET! It was not even offensive! Delete this one ya nobs! wilddog
  • Score: 1

9:54pm Wed 14 May 14

burnleyfan4life says...

sallycinamon wrote:
Can't see why this is getting any bad press at all. They had the early bird offer and now prices are in line with premier league prices with £100 back for the following season. What's the problem? Good deals and good business sense from the club.
Classic blinkered thinking - what about all those who work Saturday afternoons??? Most premiership games are not Sat afternoon so then its worthwhile - In the championship its not a viable purchase - Open your eyes to other peoples circumstances!!!
[quote][p][bold]sallycinamon[/bold] wrote: Can't see why this is getting any bad press at all. They had the early bird offer and now prices are in line with premier league prices with £100 back for the following season. What's the problem? Good deals and good business sense from the club.[/p][/quote]Classic blinkered thinking - what about all those who work Saturday afternoons??? Most premiership games are not Sat afternoon so then its worthwhile - In the championship its not a viable purchase - Open your eyes to other peoples circumstances!!! burnleyfan4life
  • Score: -2

10:05pm Wed 14 May 14

MikeMada says...

burnleyfan4life wrote:
I really think many people inc season ticket holders are missing key factors!!

Being a season ticket holder does not define someone as being a fan - For many years I worked on a Saturday afternoon as do many other fans - On holidays I went on a Sat, attended all midweek/sunday games, a few away games and most cup games - I went on the Orient game and have been a true claret all my life!! I was however not a season ticket holder - THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME ANY LESS A FAN NOR A GLORY HUNTER.

Being in the premier league brings a whole new dynamic!! A lot of games (in fact most games) are not played Saturday afternoon anymore when you are in the premier league (TV decides) So allof a sudden instead of only being able to attend 8/9 from 23 games I can now go 14 or so from 19.

Another added fact was learnt from the last time we were in the premier league - I could not always get a ticket - especially if they were big games and if I did it was in the worst positions u can thing off.

So when promotion was confirmed the decision changed from 'a season ticket is wasted on me and i will use flexi tickets or just go on on an ad hoc basis when i could' to ' ' A season ticket now makes sense or actually is a must!!' There are 1000's in this situation from people working to people having family commitments or living away etc etc - It does not make them a premier league glory hunter.

Some season ticket holders seem to hold this naive viewpoint and it seems the board do too!!! These people cannot attend enough of the games in the championship and a season ticket is completely no good for them when we play at that level!! They revert back to going on individual games or using flexi tickets - THEY ARE IN NO WAY ANY LESS A FAN!!!!!!!

Relegation and they are flushing £100 away as they cannot go to Sat afternoon games again!.

Very poor thought and it needs a u turn.

\n.b. I took the gamble and bought but some didn't as they could not afford the risk (and we have blown up before!!!)

The best way to ensure the faNs remain is simple -

STAY IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE.!!! TO DO THAT THEY NEED THE 12TH MAN IN FULL VOICE IN A PACKED TO THE RAFTERS TURF MOOR!¬!!! DO NOT ALIENATE THE FANS AND RISK EMPTY SEATS!!i
Like the swing of your argument - well done!
[quote][p][bold]burnleyfan4life[/bold] wrote: I really think many people inc season ticket holders are missing key factors!! Being a season ticket holder does not define someone as being a fan - For many years I worked on a Saturday afternoon as do many other fans - On holidays I went on a Sat, attended all midweek/sunday games, a few away games and most cup games - I went on the Orient game and have been a true claret all my life!! I was however not a season ticket holder - THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME ANY LESS A FAN NOR A GLORY HUNTER. Being in the premier league brings a whole new dynamic!! A lot of games (in fact most games) are not played Saturday afternoon anymore when you are in the premier league (TV decides) So allof a sudden instead of only being able to attend 8/9 from 23 games I can now go 14 or so from 19. Another added fact was learnt from the last time we were in the premier league - I could not always get a ticket - especially if they were big games and if I did it was in the worst positions u can thing off. So when promotion was confirmed the decision changed from 'a season ticket is wasted on me and i will use flexi tickets or just go on on an ad hoc basis when i could' to ' ' A season ticket now makes sense or actually is a must!!' There are 1000's in this situation from people working to people having family commitments or living away etc etc - It does not make them a premier league glory hunter. Some season ticket holders seem to hold this naive viewpoint and it seems the board do too!!! These people cannot attend enough of the games in the championship and a season ticket is completely no good for them when we play at that level!! They revert back to going on individual games or using flexi tickets - THEY ARE IN NO WAY ANY LESS A FAN!!!!!!! Relegation and they are flushing £100 away as they cannot go to Sat afternoon games again!. Very poor thought and it needs a u turn. \n.b. I took the gamble and bought but some didn't as they could not afford the risk (and we have blown up before!!!) The best way to ensure the faNs remain is simple - STAY IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE.!!! TO DO THAT THEY NEED THE 12TH MAN IN FULL VOICE IN A PACKED TO THE RAFTERS TURF MOOR!¬!!! DO NOT ALIENATE THE FANS AND RISK EMPTY SEATS!!i[/p][/quote]Like the swing of your argument - well done! MikeMada
  • Score: -1

11:36pm Wed 14 May 14

owd nick says...

RobH2O wrote:
owd nick wrote:
RobH2O wrote:
flagstone wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
AnotherPounding4Burn





ley
wrote:
I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..
Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley.

How does that sound?
Premier League Champions , League cup winners , only town club ever to play or likely to play in the Champions league ........ how does that read ( not sound ) Muppet
1912 title bought by Lawrence Cotton. 1914 title bought by Lawrence Cotton.
1995 title bought by Jack Walker.

Rovers = 3 titles purchased, none earned.

How does that read Numpty?
At least that proves we have people willing to invest in us over a century, unlike your board who are ripping you off.

I could understand them doing this if they were beating Burnley fans off with a stick, but they aren't.
The definition of Investment is the generation of a a profit from funds speculated. This is NOT what Cotton or Walker were doing. They were lobbing in money in the hope that trophies would be won. They recognised that Rovers would not win anything without it - its why they did it. They bought success. This is not Investment. No profit was drawn as a consequence and payable back to them.

Lobbing in extra money did not occur over a whole century. It occurred over around 14 years in total, in roughly two seven year bursts; the early 1910's and the 1990's.

Our board did not rip us off. They stumped up a loan based on the forward projection of repayment, with interest. They took the training ground and the stadium as security. That's a normal secured loan transaction. They can only take the money back, with interest, if the club has reached a point where the cash is available to do so. That point arrived. They EARNED promotion. The directors received repayment of the loan.

Your last point is a jibe, not some sort of worthy point. We produce a bigger crowd than you do when calculated as a percentage of the home town population.

Anything else? No? Good. Blackburn Rovers - the club with success that wasbought and paid for at the cost of all the other clubs in their division.
I am not saying you didn't earn promotion, you did, you were the second best team in the league, no argument there at all, the table never, ever lies whatever division you are in.


Actually, jack Walker bought Rovers because because he was a fan and didn't like the way the club was being run at the time, he thought he could do better and he did, he had the money, the drive and ambition to try and make something of the club he supported.

So again I ask the same question;

"If Jack Walker had been a Burnley fan and his money had "bought" you the title, would you have told him to f**k off we don't want to do it that way?".

Or would you have settled for that one incredible season with the name of Burnley FC indelibly there on the trophy and forever in the record books as Premier League Champions?

Personally I can't think of one football fan, supporting any team, anywhere in the country who would turn that down, can you?

And I don't go by the "bigger crowd than you based on a percentage of population, that's a load of statistical **** and you know it, people put bums on seats not statisticians.

It's like Rovers comparing their support to that of, say, Man Utd because Blackburn is smaller than Manchester, that is **** as well, but it's been done and I derided that rank stupidity in the past and will do so again if necessary.
[quote][p][bold]RobH2O[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RobH2O[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flagstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnotherPounding4Burn ley[/bold] wrote: I think the prices should be doubled, the most expensive should fall inline with Arsenal and Chelsea, That way we can afford to pay decent world class players and start to win some trophies like Rovers did. Until then we will be also ran wall flowers who just make up the numbers. I suppose if they don't the impending relegation battle will at least bring some excitement..[/p][/quote]Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley. How does that sound?[/p][/quote]Premier League Champions , League cup winners , only town club ever to play or likely to play in the Champions league ........ how does that read ( not sound ) Muppet[/p][/quote]1912 title bought by Lawrence Cotton. 1914 title bought by Lawrence Cotton. 1995 title bought by Jack Walker. Rovers = 3 titles purchased, none earned. How does that read Numpty?[/p][/quote]At least that proves we have people willing to invest in us over a century, unlike your board who are ripping you off. I could understand them doing this if they were beating Burnley fans off with a stick, but they aren't.[/p][/quote]The definition of Investment is the generation of a a profit from funds speculated. This is NOT what Cotton or Walker were doing. They were lobbing in money in the hope that trophies would be won. They recognised that Rovers would not win anything without it - its why they did it. They bought success. This is not Investment. No profit was drawn as a consequence and payable back to them. Lobbing in extra money did not occur over a whole century. It occurred over around 14 years in total, in roughly two seven year bursts; the early 1910's and the 1990's. Our board did not rip us off. They stumped up a loan based on the forward projection of repayment, with interest. They took the training ground and the stadium as security. That's a normal secured loan transaction. They can only take the money back, with interest, if the club has reached a point where the cash is available to do so. That point arrived. They EARNED promotion. The directors received repayment of the loan. Your last point is a jibe, not some sort of worthy point. We produce a bigger crowd than you do when calculated as a percentage of the home town population. Anything else? No? Good. Blackburn Rovers - the club with success that wasbought and paid for at the cost of all the other clubs in their division.[/p][/quote]I am not saying you didn't earn promotion, you did, you were the second best team in the league, no argument there at all, the table never, ever lies whatever division you are in. Actually, jack Walker bought Rovers because because he was a fan and didn't like the way the club was being run at the time, he thought he could do better and he did, he had the money, the drive and ambition to try and make something of the club he supported. So again I ask the same question; "If Jack Walker had been a Burnley fan and his money had "bought" you the title, would you have told him to f**k off we don't want to do it that way?". Or would you have settled for that one incredible season with the name of Burnley FC indelibly there on the trophy and forever in the record books as Premier League Champions? Personally I can't think of one football fan, supporting any team, anywhere in the country who would turn that down, can you? And I don't go by the "bigger crowd than you based on a percentage of population, that's a load of statistical **** and you know it, people put bums on seats not statisticians. It's like Rovers comparing their support to that of, say, Man Utd because Blackburn is smaller than Manchester, that is **** as well, but it's been done and I derided that rank stupidity in the past and will do so again if necessary. owd nick
  • Score: 2

5:54am Thu 15 May 14

RobH2O says...

Owd Nick 11.36pm yesterday 14th May.

We could go on for ever about this. I hope this puts this into proper perspective for you.

I do not think, for one moment, that when Bill Fox met with Jack Walker and did the deal, that they both knew they were about screw over all of football. This was not malice aforethought. However, it did.have this effect. They were this pioneer of this phenomenon, pertinent to this generation.

FFP is flawed in its structure. But the underpinning philosophy it is based on is a recognition of the fact that the whole of a sport can be shunted out of true, when unearned/non-self-ge
nerated money is pumped it at the arbitrary wish of a wealthy individual.

If money was offered to Burnley FC in this manner, and the board accepted the offer,I would walk away from the club. Yes, you read that right. I would be bloody devastated. Especially now the effects of this action are now fully understood. That would be painful for me and this family. My great grandfather was there at the opening fixture in 1888. My grandfather saw the FA Cup winning side of 1914, and the title winning sides of 1921 and 1960. My father took me on from the age of 7. My daughter is 11 and has a season ticket along with me.

I disagree about statistical evidence of fanaticism. Rovers too are hugely well supported. It gives an indication of just how important football is to that community proportionally. FFP has a role to play in protecting that wider cultural moray too - though not in its current construct, I would readily admit.

Finally, regarding Rovers, you need to appreciate what some of the predecessors to Walker did. Not enough time here to cover that. Suffice it to say, you'll be doing something morally intact if you erect a statue to Bill Fox. You wouldn't have been here today without him.
Owd Nick 11.36pm yesterday 14th May. We could go on for ever about this. I hope this puts this into proper perspective for you. I do not think, for one moment, that when Bill Fox met with Jack Walker and did the deal, that they both knew they were about screw over all of football. This was not malice aforethought. However, it did.have this effect. They were this pioneer of this phenomenon, pertinent to this generation. FFP is flawed in its structure. But the underpinning philosophy it is based on is a recognition of the fact that the whole of a sport can be shunted out of true, when unearned/non-self-ge nerated money is pumped it at the arbitrary wish of a wealthy individual. If money was offered to Burnley FC in this manner, and the board accepted the offer,I would walk away from the club. Yes, you read that right. I would be bloody devastated. Especially now the effects of this action are now fully understood. That would be painful for me and this family. My great grandfather was there at the opening fixture in 1888. My grandfather saw the FA Cup winning side of 1914, and the title winning sides of 1921 and 1960. My father took me on from the age of 7. My daughter is 11 and has a season ticket along with me. I disagree about statistical evidence of fanaticism. Rovers too are hugely well supported. It gives an indication of just how important football is to that community proportionally. FFP has a role to play in protecting that wider cultural moray too - though not in its current construct, I would readily admit. Finally, regarding Rovers, you need to appreciate what some of the predecessors to Walker did. Not enough time here to cover that. Suffice it to say, you'll be doing something morally intact if you erect a statue to Bill Fox. You wouldn't have been here today without him. RobH2O
  • Score: -1

12:22pm Thu 15 May 14

slants says...

RobH2O wrote:
slants wrote:
jeez the stargazing moron house claret seems to be turning
Sorry? What was that? Nigerian Pigeon English? Or was it just illiterate jibber from a mental defective?
Jeez I defy anyone to understand this morons statements.
[quote][p][bold]RobH2O[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slants[/bold] wrote: jeez the stargazing moron house claret seems to be turning[/p][/quote]Sorry? What was that? Nigerian Pigeon English? Or was it just illiterate jibber from a mental defective?[/p][/quote]Jeez I defy anyone to understand this morons statements. slants
  • Score: -2

12:30pm Thu 15 May 14

slants says...

RobH2O wrote:
onlyonesimongarner wrote:
The Dingles are Revolting !!!!!
Ooo. A play on words. Aren't you a cover little Woaver. And thank the Lord there're is only one Simon Garner. Mind you, so much ugly juice was used to bend the face of that muppet that there was not enough to create another such challenging fizog.
and here's another illiterate gem from the uneducated moron.Love the word 'there're' says a lot for our education system.
[quote][p][bold]RobH2O[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]onlyonesimongarner[/bold] wrote: The Dingles are Revolting !!!!![/p][/quote]Ooo. A play on words. Aren't you a cover little Woaver. And thank the Lord there're is only one Simon Garner. Mind you, so much ugly juice was used to bend the face of that muppet that there was not enough to create another such challenging fizog.[/p][/quote]and here's another illiterate gem from the uneducated moron.Love the word 'there're' says a lot for our education system. slants
  • Score: 0

2:21pm Thu 15 May 14

Scamp Kingsley says...

burnleyfan4life wrote:
sallycinamon wrote:
Can't see why this is getting any bad press at all. They had the early bird offer and now prices are in line with premier league prices with £100 back for the following season. What's the problem? Good deals and good business sense from the club.
Classic blinkered thinking - what about all those who work Saturday afternoons??? Most premiership games are not Sat afternoon so then its worthwhile - In the championship its not a viable purchase - Open your eyes to other peoples circumstances!!!
Why does the world revolve around you?
[quote][p][bold]burnleyfan4life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sallycinamon[/bold] wrote: Can't see why this is getting any bad press at all. They had the early bird offer and now prices are in line with premier league prices with £100 back for the following season. What's the problem? Good deals and good business sense from the club.[/p][/quote]Classic blinkered thinking - what about all those who work Saturday afternoons??? Most premiership games are not Sat afternoon so then its worthwhile - In the championship its not a viable purchase - Open your eyes to other peoples circumstances!!![/p][/quote]Why does the world revolve around you? Scamp Kingsley
  • Score: 1

3:01pm Thu 15 May 14

RobH2O says...

slants wrote:
RobH2O wrote:
slants wrote:
jeez the stargazing moron house claret seems to be turning
Sorry? What was that? Nigerian Pigeon English? Or was it just illiterate jibber from a mental defective?
Jeez I defy anyone to understand this morons statements.
No, everyone else understands; its just you who doesn't. Mr Special Needs 2014. Jibber-monkey! English as a foreign language.
[quote][p][bold]slants[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RobH2O[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slants[/bold] wrote: jeez the stargazing moron house claret seems to be turning[/p][/quote]Sorry? What was that? Nigerian Pigeon English? Or was it just illiterate jibber from a mental defective?[/p][/quote]Jeez I defy anyone to understand this morons statements.[/p][/quote]No, everyone else understands; its just you who doesn't. Mr Special Needs 2014. Jibber-monkey! English as a foreign language. RobH2O
  • Score: 3

7:55pm Thu 15 May 14

burnleyfan4life says...

Scamp Kingsley wrote:
burnleyfan4life wrote:
sallycinamon wrote:
Can't see why this is getting any bad press at all. They had the early bird offer and now prices are in line with premier league prices with £100 back for the following season. What's the problem? Good deals and good business sense from the club.
Classic blinkered thinking - what about all those who work Saturday afternoons??? Most premiership games are not Sat afternoon so then its worthwhile - In the championship its not a viable purchase - Open your eyes to other peoples circumstances!!!
Why does the world revolve around you?
It doesnt I don;t work Saturdays anymore - haven't for years - but I know many that do!!- I got my cheapo season tickets - thats not the point!
[quote][p][bold]Scamp Kingsley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]burnleyfan4life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sallycinamon[/bold] wrote: Can't see why this is getting any bad press at all. They had the early bird offer and now prices are in line with premier league prices with £100 back for the following season. What's the problem? Good deals and good business sense from the club.[/p][/quote]Classic blinkered thinking - what about all those who work Saturday afternoons??? Most premiership games are not Sat afternoon so then its worthwhile - In the championship its not a viable purchase - Open your eyes to other peoples circumstances!!![/p][/quote]Why does the world revolve around you?[/p][/quote]It doesnt I don;t work Saturdays anymore - haven't for years - but I know many that do!!- I got my cheapo season tickets - thats not the point! burnleyfan4life
  • Score: -1

8:46am Fri 16 May 14

Tatts says...

Nice work Agent Hoos!
Nice work Agent Hoos! Tatts
  • Score: 1

4:26pm Sat 17 May 14

slants says...

RobH2O wrote:
slants wrote:
RobH2O wrote:
slants wrote:
jeez the stargazing moron house claret seems to be turning
Sorry? What was that? Nigerian Pigeon English? Or was it just illiterate jibber from a mental defective?
Jeez I defy anyone to understand this morons statements.
No, everyone else understands; its just you who doesn't. Mr Special Needs 2014. Jibber-monkey! English as a foreign language.
I have seen and read some morons but this diickhead takes the biscuit .Does anyone apart from this moron know what a jibber-monkey is ??and I don't believe he has kids !! jeez they must be in a specials chool with this fool as a father.
[quote][p][bold]RobH2O[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slants[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RobH2O[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slants[/bold] wrote: jeez the stargazing moron house claret seems to be turning[/p][/quote]Sorry? What was that? Nigerian Pigeon English? Or was it just illiterate jibber from a mental defective?[/p][/quote]Jeez I defy anyone to understand this morons statements.[/p][/quote]No, everyone else understands; its just you who doesn't. Mr Special Needs 2014. Jibber-monkey! English as a foreign language.[/p][/quote]I have seen and read some morons but this diickhead takes the biscuit .Does anyone apart from this moron know what a jibber-monkey is ??and I don't believe he has kids !! jeez they must be in a specials chool with this fool as a father. slants
  • Score: -2

5:15pm Sat 17 May 14

RobH2O says...

slants wrote:
RobH2O wrote:
slants wrote:
RobH2O wrote:
slants wrote:
jeez the stargazing moron house claret seems to be turning
Sorry? What was that? Nigerian Pigeon English? Or was it just illiterate jibber from a mental defective?
Jeez I defy anyone to understand this morons statements.
No, everyone else understands; its just you who doesn't. Mr Special Needs 2014. Jibber-monkey! English as a foreign language.
I have seen and read some morons but this diickhead takes the biscuit .Does anyone apart from this moron know what a jibber-monkey is ??and I don't believe he has kids !! jeez they must be in a specials chool with this fool as a father.
Translation please someone. Special-needs jibber.
[quote][p][bold]slants[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RobH2O[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slants[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RobH2O[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slants[/bold] wrote: jeez the stargazing moron house claret seems to be turning[/p][/quote]Sorry? What was that? Nigerian Pigeon English? Or was it just illiterate jibber from a mental defective?[/p][/quote]Jeez I defy anyone to understand this morons statements.[/p][/quote]No, everyone else understands; its just you who doesn't. Mr Special Needs 2014. Jibber-monkey! English as a foreign language.[/p][/quote]I have seen and read some morons but this diickhead takes the biscuit .Does anyone apart from this moron know what a jibber-monkey is ??and I don't believe he has kids !! jeez they must be in a specials chool with this fool as a father.[/p][/quote]Translation please someone. Special-needs jibber. RobH2O
  • Score: 2

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