Bowyer: Boos shouldn’t overshadow Rovers’ progress

Lancashire Telegraph: A prone Chris Taylor is treated on the Ewood Park pitch yesterday - he was ‘on his feet’ after the game and will now be monitored by medics A prone Chris Taylor is treated on the Ewood Park pitch yesterday - he was ‘on his feet’ after the game and will now be monitored by medics

BLACKBURN boss Gary Bowyer says the disappointment some fans felt after the 0-0 home draw with Sheffield Wednesday should not overshadow the progress his side have made under his leadership.

Bowyer is bidding to transform Rovers from a team that last season finished just four points above the relegation places into one which can challenge for promotion.

The stalemate with Wednesday moved Rovers – ahead of the evening kick-offs – up to 10th and within three points of the play-off places.

But the fact that their team were unable to stretch their winning run to three matches led to a smattering of supporters booing at the final whistle.

Bowyer said: “The progress we are making is decent.

“That’s six out of the last nine games we have kept a clean sheet and we are now unbeaten in four.

“There’s a chorus of boos around the ground which I can’t quite understand.

“We have to remember where we have come from, where we are now and how much further we can go.”

Struggling Wednesday, under the stewardship of caretaker manager Stuart Gray, forced Simon Eastwood into two good saves.

But it was Rovers who created and wasted the best chances of the match.

Bowyer said: “Points are very hard to come by and we have to respect the point today.

“Sheffield Wednesday are fighting for their lives and are fighting to get Stuart Gray the job – and on that evidence they should give it to him.

“We created some good chances – not enough chances – but we just weren’t ruthless enough in front of goal.

“But I’d be more concerned if we weren’t creating those chances.”

Rovers are now unbeaten in five games at Ewood Park.

But you have to go back to August and to the thumping 4-1 victory over Bolton Wanderers for the last time they won at home by more than a one-goal margin.

Bowyer said: “A lot of teams are coming here and paying us a lot of respect – and that’s a compliment to our group.

“We are finding teams are coming here with different formations to what they usually play in a bid to stop us from playing.

“First and foremost you always try and win the game but if you can’t get the three points then you definitely get the one.”

Chris Taylor was stretchered off wearing a neck brace but Bowyer said the midfielder ‘was back on his feet’ after the match.

Taylor will now be monitored over the next 24 hours.

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9:05am Fri 27 Dec 13

GAZHAY says...

If you don't understand the smattering of boos then play the game back and ask yourself this.
Why take a striker off and put on a defensive midfielder when we need a goal.
Why move our most effective player Cairney back out onto the wing when we have seen for weeks it takes him out of the game.
Why was Rochina not starting or at least given 30 minutes and not 8 minutes like he got.
Also why was Campbell on the bench and not used when we desperately needed a goal.
If you don't understand the smattering of boos then play the game back and ask yourself this. Why take a striker off and put on a defensive midfielder when we need a goal. Why move our most effective player Cairney back out onto the wing when we have seen for weeks it takes him out of the game. Why was Rochina not starting or at least given 30 minutes and not 8 minutes like he got. Also why was Campbell on the bench and not used when we desperately needed a goal. GAZHAY

9:26am Fri 27 Dec 13

Is Eckersley playing? says...

If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.
If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him. Is Eckersley playing?

9:53am Fri 27 Dec 13

Bill Carson says...

Rovers were at home to a bottom 3 side! GB's negative approach secures 1 point in front of an embarrassingly quiet crowd that aren't getting anything to actually sing about. I predicted a top 10 slot at best, but it's painful to watch!!
Rovers were at home to a bottom 3 side! GB's negative approach secures 1 point in front of an embarrassingly quiet crowd that aren't getting anything to actually sing about. I predicted a top 10 slot at best, but it's painful to watch!! Bill Carson

10:09am Fri 27 Dec 13

Tatts says...

Our record in the last 4 games is won 2 and drawn 2 so let's not overreact to yesterday's game. Yes it was a drab affair but we had more chances than Wednesday and kept another clean sheet.
Our record in the last 4 games is won 2 and drawn 2 so let's not overreact to yesterday's game. Yes it was a drab affair but we had more chances than Wednesday and kept another clean sheet. Tatts

10:10am Fri 27 Dec 13

greenscreener says...

Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.
Err, Would that be Derby's Billy Davies, appointed in Feb 2013, I.e. before Bowyer, and Ipswich's Mick McCarthy appointed in 2012, also before Bowyer ?

1 point out of a possible 3 there Eckersley, how ironic, maybe you should boo yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.[/p][/quote]Err, Would that be Derby's Billy Davies, appointed in Feb 2013, I.e. before Bowyer, and Ipswich's Mick McCarthy appointed in 2012, also before Bowyer ? 1 point out of a possible 3 there Eckersley, how ironic, maybe you should boo yourself. greenscreener

10:14am Fri 27 Dec 13

dangerous dave says...

Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.
Exactly. Same old clap trap of excuses from gb but more and more posters coming to same conclusion he s simply not good enough as time will prove
Out with the cowboys and indians
[quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Same old clap trap of excuses from gb but more and more posters coming to same conclusion he s simply not good enough as time will prove Out with the cowboys and indians dangerous dave

10:15am Fri 27 Dec 13

Is Eckersley playing? says...

I stand corrected but the point is there. They were even in a better position when the fool in Brunei left.
I stand corrected but the point is there. They were even in a better position when the fool in Brunei left. Is Eckersley playing?

10:20am Fri 27 Dec 13

greenscreener says...

dangerous dave wrote:
Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.
Exactly. Same old clap trap of excuses from gb but more and more posters coming to same conclusion he s simply not good enough as time will prove
Out with the cowboys and indians
Exactly, Ha Ha ha, , Dave can't wait to jump in there to support erroneous 'facts', priceless !
[quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Same old clap trap of excuses from gb but more and more posters coming to same conclusion he s simply not good enough as time will prove Out with the cowboys and indians[/p][/quote]Exactly, Ha Ha ha, , Dave can't wait to jump in there to support erroneous 'facts', priceless ! greenscreener

10:40am Fri 27 Dec 13

drunken donut says...

GB says you have to remember where we came from, we do. Prior to the idiots from India buying our club we were in the Premier league, that's where we came from. The debacle that was Keans tenure isn't where we came from, thanks to Venky's we are being asked to accept the shambles that they have caused.
GB says you have to remember where we came from, we do. Prior to the idiots from India buying our club we were in the Premier league, that's where we came from. The debacle that was Keans tenure isn't where we came from, thanks to Venky's we are being asked to accept the shambles that they have caused. drunken donut

10:41am Fri 27 Dec 13

brown cow warrior says...

Where is he????????
Where is he???????? brown cow warrior

10:52am Fri 27 Dec 13

cowabunga says...

Bowyer why are you so surprised at the booing ?. The woevers fans boo when there team score.CLUELESS CLASSLESS LAUGHING STOCK OF A CLUB.
Bowyer why are you so surprised at the booing ?. The woevers fans boo when there team score.CLUELESS CLASSLESS LAUGHING STOCK OF A CLUB. cowabunga

10:54am Fri 27 Dec 13

Is Eckersley playing? says...

greenscreener wrote:
dangerous dave wrote:
Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.
Exactly. Same old clap trap of excuses from gb but more and more posters coming to same conclusion he s simply not good enough as time will prove
Out with the cowboys and indians
Exactly, Ha Ha ha, , Dave can't wait to jump in there to support erroneous 'facts', priceless !
Don't blame him, I can admit mistakes. Which is more than can be said for the hierarchy that DD criticises. My point stands, though. The club is riding on a wave of mediocrity from top to bottom, and whilst fans keep on paying their hard eaned money supporting this shambles the status quo will remain. Happy New Year DD, sorry I dropped you in it, but we aren't all stats nerds who can't see the bigger picture, are we?
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Same old clap trap of excuses from gb but more and more posters coming to same conclusion he s simply not good enough as time will prove Out with the cowboys and indians[/p][/quote]Exactly, Ha Ha ha, , Dave can't wait to jump in there to support erroneous 'facts', priceless ![/p][/quote]Don't blame him, I can admit mistakes. Which is more than can be said for the hierarchy that DD criticises. My point stands, though. The club is riding on a wave of mediocrity from top to bottom, and whilst fans keep on paying their hard eaned money supporting this shambles the status quo will remain. Happy New Year DD, sorry I dropped you in it, but we aren't all stats nerds who can't see the bigger picture, are we? Is Eckersley playing?

10:56am Fri 27 Dec 13

A Rover 45 years and over says...

Yes Gary you have done a lot of good work for the Club you have brought some good championship players in, the players put a good shift in every week and you have brought stability back to the club for now but you are not taking advantage of what you have potentially created with some of your game plans and tactics. The fans where booing in frustration that your safety first approach lost us another two points as you decided to abandon a win for a clean sheet when you brought williamson on for Getsede who was causing Wednesday problems at the time. You will not win promotion by playing safe most of the time and relying on Rhodes to nick one playing on his own up front. The financial clock is ticking, time is running out with a transfer embargo looming you have got to get your finger out and go for it before it is too late.
Yes Gary you have done a lot of good work for the Club you have brought some good championship players in, the players put a good shift in every week and you have brought stability back to the club for now but you are not taking advantage of what you have potentially created with some of your game plans and tactics. The fans where booing in frustration that your safety first approach lost us another two points as you decided to abandon a win for a clean sheet when you brought williamson on for Getsede who was causing Wednesday problems at the time. You will not win promotion by playing safe most of the time and relying on Rhodes to nick one playing on his own up front. The financial clock is ticking, time is running out with a transfer embargo looming you have got to get your finger out and go for it before it is too late. A Rover 45 years and over

11:06am Fri 27 Dec 13

crankitup says...

Gary, believe us when we say, we know where we've come from and we know where we've been, but that's no excuse for a lackluster performance by the lads, and you only have to read the above posts about what some of us feel were some bad substitutions, so please don't try and shift the blame to the fans mate.

on the day we were at home against a team lower that us and we should have taken maximum points.

i hate to say this but i can see Brum turning us over and thus reinstate our inconsistencies we've had to endure all season....we're are a bit sick of the hot and cold attitude of the players form....

WHY can't we string wins together?,you say we've a good enough squad, so why is it Gary?
Gary, believe us when we say, we know where we've come from and we know where we've been, but that's no excuse for a lackluster performance by the lads, and you only have to read the above posts about what some of us feel were some bad substitutions, so please don't try and shift the blame to the fans mate. on the day we were at home against a team lower that us and we should have taken maximum points. i hate to say this but i can see Brum turning us over and thus reinstate our inconsistencies we've had to endure all season....we're are a bit sick of the hot and cold attitude of the players form.... WHY can't we string wins together?,you say we've a good enough squad, so why is it Gary? crankitup

11:58am Fri 27 Dec 13

keanoutofrovers says...

0-0 against a team at the bottom of the league. 30 mins to go and we haven't looked like scoring so what do you do.

I have no problem with taking Gestede off as he didn't do much but......

a) Put Rochina up with Rhodes.
b) Put Campbell up with Rhodes (controversial but he is meant to be a striker)
c) Put Rochina out wide and push King into the centre (has done this before)
d) Play Kane in front of Henley and allow King to move up front.
e) Go route one and put Kilgallon on and sick Dann or Hanley up front.

OR

Put on another defensive midfielder

Then with 10 minutes to go and the team creating nothing as a result of ypou last move did we go for any of the options above

No we took off Cairney and put Rochina in his place.

And you don't understand the boos ???????????????
0-0 against a team at the bottom of the league. 30 mins to go and we haven't looked like scoring so what do you do. I have no problem with taking Gestede off as he didn't do much but...... a) Put Rochina up with Rhodes. b) Put Campbell up with Rhodes (controversial but he is meant to be a striker) c) Put Rochina out wide and push King into the centre (has done this before) d) Play Kane in front of Henley and allow King to move up front. e) Go route one and put Kilgallon on and sick Dann or Hanley up front. OR Put on another defensive midfielder Then with 10 minutes to go and the team creating nothing as a result of ypou last move did we go for any of the options above No we took off Cairney and put Rochina in his place. And you don't understand the boos ??????????????? keanoutofrovers

12:09pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Grey Rover says...

Regards pic, Taylor isn't prone. Prone position is with the chest down.
Regards pic, Taylor isn't prone. Prone position is with the chest down. Grey Rover

12:16pm Fri 27 Dec 13

J.C - Rishton says...

A Rover 45 years and over wrote:
Yes Gary you have done a lot of good work for the Club you have brought some good championship players in, the players put a good shift in every week and you have brought stability back to the club for now but you are not taking advantage of what you have potentially created with some of your game plans and tactics. The fans where booing in frustration that your safety first approach lost us another two points as you decided to abandon a win for a clean sheet when you brought williamson on for Getsede who was causing Wednesday problems at the time. You will not win promotion by playing safe most of the time and relying on Rhodes to nick one playing on his own up front. The financial clock is ticking, time is running out with a transfer embargo looming you have got to get your finger out and go for it before it is too late.
Spot on - GB has done a great job at stabilising the club and getting them up the league BUT if anyone seriously hopes that Rovers can get back into the PL again then it has to be this year. Once we get to summer then if we have failed to get up via the playoffs then it will be a fire sale - why ? - because everyone can see the transfer embargo coming then and our best players will want away and Venkys will also want to sell them to recoup some of our loses which will by then be increasing as we lose another £8m per annum in TV money.

Because of this reason its now or never and we aint gonna get into the playoffs playing for a draw at home against a team in the bottom 3. We go away to Leeds in a weeks time and now we can't afford to lose that game as they are one of the teams 3 points above us AND theres 4 other teams between us and the playoffs AND Wigan just below us, with a game in hand.

We all talk about "winning a run of games to shoot up this league" - and it is true and yesterday was taylor made to get us on one of those 6 or 7 winning game streaks you need, like Burnley have had and so have Derby.

IF we're going to get into the playoffs (and its a big if) GB has to be brave and go for it - like he did at Bournemouth.

0-0 draws at home to ave or poor sides will get us NO WHERE at the end of the season.

GB HALF SEASON REPORT - overall done a really good job but if he is to get us into the playoffs then he has to step it up again to another management level and get the players performing and scoring much more consistantly.
[quote][p][bold]A Rover 45 years and over[/bold] wrote: Yes Gary you have done a lot of good work for the Club you have brought some good championship players in, the players put a good shift in every week and you have brought stability back to the club for now but you are not taking advantage of what you have potentially created with some of your game plans and tactics. The fans where booing in frustration that your safety first approach lost us another two points as you decided to abandon a win for a clean sheet when you brought williamson on for Getsede who was causing Wednesday problems at the time. You will not win promotion by playing safe most of the time and relying on Rhodes to nick one playing on his own up front. The financial clock is ticking, time is running out with a transfer embargo looming you have got to get your finger out and go for it before it is too late.[/p][/quote]Spot on - GB has done a great job at stabilising the club and getting them up the league BUT if anyone seriously hopes that Rovers can get back into the PL again then it has to be this year. Once we get to summer then if we have failed to get up via the playoffs then it will be a fire sale - why ? - because everyone can see the transfer embargo coming then and our best players will want away and Venkys will also want to sell them to recoup some of our loses which will by then be increasing as we lose another £8m per annum in TV money. Because of this reason its now or never and we aint gonna get into the playoffs playing for a draw at home against a team in the bottom 3. We go away to Leeds in a weeks time and now we can't afford to lose that game as they are one of the teams 3 points above us AND theres 4 other teams between us and the playoffs AND Wigan just below us, with a game in hand. We all talk about "winning a run of games to shoot up this league" - and it is true and yesterday was taylor made to get us on one of those 6 or 7 winning game streaks you need, like Burnley have had and so have Derby. IF we're going to get into the playoffs (and its a big if) GB has to be brave and go for it - like he did at Bournemouth. 0-0 draws at home to ave or poor sides will get us NO WHERE at the end of the season. GB HALF SEASON REPORT - overall done a really good job but if he is to get us into the playoffs then he has to step it up again to another management level and get the players performing and scoring much more consistantly. J.C - Rishton

12:25pm Fri 27 Dec 13

MxMave says...

“We created some good chances – not enough chances – but we just weren’t ruthless enough in front of goal."

I'm sure that's just a cut and paste job lifted from every single post match article this season.
You dont win promotion on stats like "we got 3 clean sheets this month" unless your scoring a couple of goals each game.
Next game, START with 5 in midfield, ensure one is ruben or dunny. Start king. If were not winning at 65 start throwing strikers on in place of cdm's and defenders. Its pretty much a default strategy for most managers.
“We created some good chances – not enough chances – but we just weren’t ruthless enough in front of goal." I'm sure that's just a cut and paste job lifted from every single post match article this season. You dont win promotion on stats like "we got 3 clean sheets this month" unless your scoring a couple of goals each game. Next game, START with 5 in midfield, ensure one is ruben or dunny. Start king. If were not winning at 65 start throwing strikers on in place of cdm's and defenders. Its pretty much a default strategy for most managers. MxMave

12:31pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Wild Rover says...

Well I agree with GB
The booing was unacceptable and unhelpful, this is a young team and as supporters we should be cheering them on.
The Wednesday supporters showed us how it should be done, they lifted their team..
As I said we wont win every game but it needs a team effort from all of us to make sure we are there at the end of the season, manager, players and supporters in the play offs
Come on TEAM GB
Well I agree with GB The booing was unacceptable and unhelpful, this is a young team and as supporters we should be cheering them on. The Wednesday supporters showed us how it should be done, they lifted their team.. As I said we wont win every game but it needs a team effort from all of us to make sure we are there at the end of the season, manager, players and supporters in the play offs Come on TEAM GB Wild Rover

12:59pm Fri 27 Dec 13

greenscreener says...

Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
greenscreener wrote:
dangerous dave wrote:
Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.
Exactly. Same old clap trap of excuses from gb but more and more posters coming to same conclusion he s simply not good enough as time will prove
Out with the cowboys and indians
Exactly, Ha Ha ha, , Dave can't wait to jump in there to support erroneous 'facts', priceless !
Don't blame him, I can admit mistakes. Which is more than can be said for the hierarchy that DD criticises. My point stands, though. The club is riding on a wave of mediocrity from top to bottom, and whilst fans keep on paying their hard eaned money supporting this shambles the status quo will remain. Happy New Year DD, sorry I dropped you in it, but we aren't all stats nerds who can't see the bigger picture, are we?
Doesn't take a stats nerd to catch you inventing facts to try to justify yourselves.

The club was taken to its knees by incompetent owners and their immoral advisors. After 3 years of being torn apart along comes a decent bloke who starts to restore some semblance of order and sets about rebuilding the team with precious little money. So what help does he get from you ? Does he get even a glimmer of support ? No, he gets abuse, criticism and scorn, if anything is 'a wave of mediocrity' it's the attitude shown by the likes of you and Dave.

You crack on with your boycott, son, hope it makes you feel big and clever, I'm just pleased to know there's a couple of hours a week when I know I'm somewhere there's no chance of meeting the likes of you.
[quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Same old clap trap of excuses from gb but more and more posters coming to same conclusion he s simply not good enough as time will prove Out with the cowboys and indians[/p][/quote]Exactly, Ha Ha ha, , Dave can't wait to jump in there to support erroneous 'facts', priceless ![/p][/quote]Don't blame him, I can admit mistakes. Which is more than can be said for the hierarchy that DD criticises. My point stands, though. The club is riding on a wave of mediocrity from top to bottom, and whilst fans keep on paying their hard eaned money supporting this shambles the status quo will remain. Happy New Year DD, sorry I dropped you in it, but we aren't all stats nerds who can't see the bigger picture, are we?[/p][/quote]Doesn't take a stats nerd to catch you inventing facts to try to justify yourselves. The club was taken to its knees by incompetent owners and their immoral advisors. After 3 years of being torn apart along comes a decent bloke who starts to restore some semblance of order and sets about rebuilding the team with precious little money. So what help does he get from you ? Does he get even a glimmer of support ? No, he gets abuse, criticism and scorn, if anything is 'a wave of mediocrity' it's the attitude shown by the likes of you and Dave. You crack on with your boycott, son, hope it makes you feel big and clever, I'm just pleased to know there's a couple of hours a week when I know I'm somewhere there's no chance of meeting the likes of you. greenscreener

1:09pm Fri 27 Dec 13

krazzi horse says...

A terrible game 2 watch I for one did not boo but then again there was not a great deal to cheer about .come on rovers give us summut 2 shout about.
A terrible game 2 watch I for one did not boo but then again there was not a great deal to cheer about .come on rovers give us summut 2 shout about. krazzi horse

1:41pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Is Eckersley playing? says...

greenscreener wrote:
Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
greenscreener wrote:
dangerous dave wrote:
Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.
Exactly. Same old clap trap of excuses from gb but more and more posters coming to same conclusion he s simply not good enough as time will prove
Out with the cowboys and indians
Exactly, Ha Ha ha, , Dave can't wait to jump in there to support erroneous 'facts', priceless !
Don't blame him, I can admit mistakes. Which is more than can be said for the hierarchy that DD criticises. My point stands, though. The club is riding on a wave of mediocrity from top to bottom, and whilst fans keep on paying their hard eaned money supporting this shambles the status quo will remain. Happy New Year DD, sorry I dropped you in it, but we aren't all stats nerds who can't see the bigger picture, are we?
Doesn't take a stats nerd to catch you inventing facts to try to justify yourselves.

The club was taken to its knees by incompetent owners and their immoral advisors. After 3 years of being torn apart along comes a decent bloke who starts to restore some semblance of order and sets about rebuilding the team with precious little money. So what help does he get from you ? Does he get even a glimmer of support ? No, he gets abuse, criticism and scorn, if anything is 'a wave of mediocrity' it's the attitude shown by the likes of you and Dave.

You crack on with your boycott, son, hope it makes you feel big and clever, I'm just pleased to know there's a couple of hours a week when I know I'm somewhere there's no chance of meeting the likes of you.
Read the posts on this thread, nerd. How many in favour of his tactics, how many against? A lot of unhappy bunnies I'd say.
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Same old clap trap of excuses from gb but more and more posters coming to same conclusion he s simply not good enough as time will prove Out with the cowboys and indians[/p][/quote]Exactly, Ha Ha ha, , Dave can't wait to jump in there to support erroneous 'facts', priceless ![/p][/quote]Don't blame him, I can admit mistakes. Which is more than can be said for the hierarchy that DD criticises. My point stands, though. The club is riding on a wave of mediocrity from top to bottom, and whilst fans keep on paying their hard eaned money supporting this shambles the status quo will remain. Happy New Year DD, sorry I dropped you in it, but we aren't all stats nerds who can't see the bigger picture, are we?[/p][/quote]Doesn't take a stats nerd to catch you inventing facts to try to justify yourselves. The club was taken to its knees by incompetent owners and their immoral advisors. After 3 years of being torn apart along comes a decent bloke who starts to restore some semblance of order and sets about rebuilding the team with precious little money. So what help does he get from you ? Does he get even a glimmer of support ? No, he gets abuse, criticism and scorn, if anything is 'a wave of mediocrity' it's the attitude shown by the likes of you and Dave. You crack on with your boycott, son, hope it makes you feel big and clever, I'm just pleased to know there's a couple of hours a week when I know I'm somewhere there's no chance of meeting the likes of you.[/p][/quote]Read the posts on this thread, nerd. How many in favour of his tactics, how many against? A lot of unhappy bunnies I'd say. Is Eckersley playing?

1:52pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Roverthere says...

what boos? I never heard any at the Darwen End?
what boos? I never heard any at the Darwen End? Roverthere

2:06pm Fri 27 Dec 13

happiness says...

Just read what Bowyer said. The thing was, unlike Reading and Huddersfield who came for a draw and got it by putting ten behind the ball, Wednesday didn't do this. They were trying to win as much as we were. Everytime we had a corner, they had someone in the centre circle in case they won the ball, which they always did. Whereas, everytime they had one, we had our entire team in our own box and every time we won the ball, which we did, we kept punting it up to nobody and it kept coming back. Also, Gestede (Modeste in disguise) played in midfield and wouldn't run for the ball or chase back and the fans were getting on his back. Rovers fans over the decades have never liked lazy players and I think he will be sent back to Cardiff reserves in a couple of weeks. Bowyer is right saying the fans need to look at where we were this time last season but now that we have more stability, we have a good chance to make the play-offs but every home game there are hardly ever any chances created and there is never any goalmouth action. Every home game is the same. The atmosphere is totally dead because all we do week-in-week-out is punt long balls up to Rhodes on his own and it never works. It's so boring. Even people who sit near us who didn't like Allardyce keep saying sarcastically, bring him back all is forgiven. Boring but successful tactics in the Prem have now been relpaced by boring, unsuccessful ones in a division where there is no quality from top to bottom. That's why the poor teams with good managers are doing well. Bowyer needs to play every home game with 2 up front and attack teams. It's the only chance we have of a top 6 place. That's why the fans are getting fed up. The worrying thing is, he wont accept it. Sunday's score prediction - a late goal saves us a crap point against another crap team in another crap boring one up front on his own game, for a 1-1 draw. There, that's all the positives out of the way...!!!
Just read what Bowyer said. The thing was, unlike Reading and Huddersfield who came for a draw and got it by putting ten behind the ball, Wednesday didn't do this. They were trying to win as much as we were. Everytime we had a corner, they had someone in the centre circle in case they won the ball, which they always did. Whereas, everytime they had one, we had our entire team in our own box and every time we won the ball, which we did, we kept punting it up to nobody and it kept coming back. Also, Gestede (Modeste in disguise) played in midfield and wouldn't run for the ball or chase back and the fans were getting on his back. Rovers fans over the decades have never liked lazy players and I think he will be sent back to Cardiff reserves in a couple of weeks. Bowyer is right saying the fans need to look at where we were this time last season but now that we have more stability, we have a good chance to make the play-offs but every home game there are hardly ever any chances created and there is never any goalmouth action. Every home game is the same. The atmosphere is totally dead because all we do week-in-week-out is punt long balls up to Rhodes on his own and it never works. It's so boring. Even people who sit near us who didn't like Allardyce keep saying sarcastically, bring him back all is forgiven. Boring but successful tactics in the Prem have now been relpaced by boring, unsuccessful ones in a division where there is no quality from top to bottom. That's why the poor teams with good managers are doing well. Bowyer needs to play every home game with 2 up front and attack teams. It's the only chance we have of a top 6 place. That's why the fans are getting fed up. The worrying thing is, he wont accept it. Sunday's score prediction - a late goal saves us a crap point against another crap team in another crap boring one up front on his own game, for a 1-1 draw. There, that's all the positives out of the way...!!! happiness

2:10pm Fri 27 Dec 13

ChrisDeBerg says...

Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
greenscreener wrote:
Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
greenscreener wrote:
dangerous dave wrote:
Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.
Exactly. Same old clap trap of excuses from gb but more and more posters coming to same conclusion he s simply not good enough as time will prove
Out with the cowboys and indians
Exactly, Ha Ha ha, , Dave can't wait to jump in there to support erroneous 'facts', priceless !
Don't blame him, I can admit mistakes. Which is more than can be said for the hierarchy that DD criticises. My point stands, though. The club is riding on a wave of mediocrity from top to bottom, and whilst fans keep on paying their hard eaned money supporting this shambles the status quo will remain. Happy New Year DD, sorry I dropped you in it, but we aren't all stats nerds who can't see the bigger picture, are we?
Doesn't take a stats nerd to catch you inventing facts to try to justify yourselves.

The club was taken to its knees by incompetent owners and their immoral advisors. After 3 years of being torn apart along comes a decent bloke who starts to restore some semblance of order and sets about rebuilding the team with precious little money. So what help does he get from you ? Does he get even a glimmer of support ? No, he gets abuse, criticism and scorn, if anything is 'a wave of mediocrity' it's the attitude shown by the likes of you and Dave.

You crack on with your boycott, son, hope it makes you feel big and clever, I'm just pleased to know there's a couple of hours a week when I know I'm somewhere there's no chance of meeting the likes of you.
Read the posts on this thread, nerd. How many in favour of his tactics, how many against? A lot of unhappy bunnies I'd say.
Yeah fair enough, GB didn't make the right substitutions as far as most of us are concerned, but a look at the table shows us 4 points off playoff places and 13 points from a relegation battle! GB has us playing ace defensively, which is why we are a steady ship... He also played 2 up front and an attacking team for most of the game remember... So I say a main factor is the strikers faults for not getting the goals when they had the chances!!

In any case, while we are playing well most games and in a better position than we have been for the last 2 years, booing is just not acceptable... Those who booed were a bunch of idiots and need a slap...
[quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Same old clap trap of excuses from gb but more and more posters coming to same conclusion he s simply not good enough as time will prove Out with the cowboys and indians[/p][/quote]Exactly, Ha Ha ha, , Dave can't wait to jump in there to support erroneous 'facts', priceless ![/p][/quote]Don't blame him, I can admit mistakes. Which is more than can be said for the hierarchy that DD criticises. My point stands, though. The club is riding on a wave of mediocrity from top to bottom, and whilst fans keep on paying their hard eaned money supporting this shambles the status quo will remain. Happy New Year DD, sorry I dropped you in it, but we aren't all stats nerds who can't see the bigger picture, are we?[/p][/quote]Doesn't take a stats nerd to catch you inventing facts to try to justify yourselves. The club was taken to its knees by incompetent owners and their immoral advisors. After 3 years of being torn apart along comes a decent bloke who starts to restore some semblance of order and sets about rebuilding the team with precious little money. So what help does he get from you ? Does he get even a glimmer of support ? No, he gets abuse, criticism and scorn, if anything is 'a wave of mediocrity' it's the attitude shown by the likes of you and Dave. You crack on with your boycott, son, hope it makes you feel big and clever, I'm just pleased to know there's a couple of hours a week when I know I'm somewhere there's no chance of meeting the likes of you.[/p][/quote]Read the posts on this thread, nerd. How many in favour of his tactics, how many against? A lot of unhappy bunnies I'd say.[/p][/quote]Yeah fair enough, GB didn't make the right substitutions as far as most of us are concerned, but a look at the table shows us 4 points off playoff places and 13 points from a relegation battle! GB has us playing ace defensively, which is why we are a steady ship... He also played 2 up front and an attacking team for most of the game remember... So I say a main factor is the strikers faults for not getting the goals when they had the chances!! In any case, while we are playing well most games and in a better position than we have been for the last 2 years, booing is just not acceptable... Those who booed were a bunch of idiots and need a slap... ChrisDeBerg

2:12pm Fri 27 Dec 13

azza234 says...

Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
greenscreener wrote:
Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
greenscreener wrote:
dangerous dave wrote:
Is Eckersley playing? wrote: If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.
Exactly. Same old clap trap of excuses from gb but more and more posters coming to same conclusion he s simply not good enough as time will prove Out with the cowboys and indians
Exactly, Ha Ha ha, , Dave can't wait to jump in there to support erroneous 'facts', priceless !
Don't blame him, I can admit mistakes. Which is more than can be said for the hierarchy that DD criticises. My point stands, though. The club is riding on a wave of mediocrity from top to bottom, and whilst fans keep on paying their hard eaned money supporting this shambles the status quo will remain. Happy New Year DD, sorry I dropped you in it, but we aren't all stats nerds who can't see the bigger picture, are we?
Doesn't take a stats nerd to catch you inventing facts to try to justify yourselves. The club was taken to its knees by incompetent owners and their immoral advisors. After 3 years of being torn apart along comes a decent bloke who starts to restore some semblance of order and sets about rebuilding the team with precious little money. So what help does he get from you ? Does he get even a glimmer of support ? No, he gets abuse, criticism and scorn, if anything is 'a wave of mediocrity' it's the attitude shown by the likes of you and Dave. You crack on with your boycott, son, hope it makes you feel big and clever, I'm just pleased to know there's a couple of hours a week when I know I'm somewhere there's no chance of meeting the likes of you.
Read the posts on this thread, nerd. How many in favour of his tactics, how many against? A lot of unhappy bunnies I'd say.
But your unhappy all the time what if the team goes on from now and win 5 in a row all 1.0 and that would mean unbeaten in 9 and 7 clean sheets you'd still come on here and spout the same crap as u normally do but of course you don't accept improvement do u if you and your bum chum get your wish out with the lot of them ie lot of them meaning players to u 2 going to go then i'll answer that no u wont simple as that..
[quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Same old clap trap of excuses from gb but more and more posters coming to same conclusion he s simply not good enough as time will prove Out with the cowboys and indians[/p][/quote]Exactly, Ha Ha ha, , Dave can't wait to jump in there to support erroneous 'facts', priceless ![/p][/quote]Don't blame him, I can admit mistakes. Which is more than can be said for the hierarchy that DD criticises. My point stands, though. The club is riding on a wave of mediocrity from top to bottom, and whilst fans keep on paying their hard eaned money supporting this shambles the status quo will remain. Happy New Year DD, sorry I dropped you in it, but we aren't all stats nerds who can't see the bigger picture, are we?[/p][/quote]Doesn't take a stats nerd to catch you inventing facts to try to justify yourselves. The club was taken to its knees by incompetent owners and their immoral advisors. After 3 years of being torn apart along comes a decent bloke who starts to restore some semblance of order and sets about rebuilding the team with precious little money. So what help does he get from you ? Does he get even a glimmer of support ? No, he gets abuse, criticism and scorn, if anything is 'a wave of mediocrity' it's the attitude shown by the likes of you and Dave. You crack on with your boycott, son, hope it makes you feel big and clever, I'm just pleased to know there's a couple of hours a week when I know I'm somewhere there's no chance of meeting the likes of you.[/p][/quote]Read the posts on this thread, nerd. How many in favour of his tactics, how many against? A lot of unhappy bunnies I'd say.[/p][/quote]But your unhappy all the time what if the team goes on from now and win 5 in a row all 1.0 and that would mean unbeaten in 9 and 7 clean sheets you'd still come on here and spout the same crap as u normally do but of course you don't accept improvement do u if you and your bum chum get your wish out with the lot of them ie lot of them meaning players to u 2 going to go then i'll answer that no u wont simple as that.. azza234

2:13pm Fri 27 Dec 13

BRFC75 says...

Think it's fair to say , since this time last year ,it's a improvement.

Think also the man deserves a free reign till the last balls kicked end of this season,look around and telll me a club with no issues,and usually about the manager.
GB has come in , settled and eased the anger , he has a football pedigree background , copes with the Venkys, brought in good guys , all KEAN brought in was guys that wanted money , GB has got good guys in that are not just here for money.g
Think it's fair to say , since this time last year ,it's a improvement. Think also the man deserves a free reign till the last balls kicked end of this season,look around and telll me a club with no issues,and usually about the manager. GB has come in , settled and eased the anger , he has a football pedigree background , copes with the Venkys, brought in good guys , all KEAN brought in was guys that wanted money , GB has got good guys in that are not just here for money.g BRFC75

2:15pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Is Eckersley playing? says...

happiness wrote:
Just read what Bowyer said. The thing was, unlike Reading and Huddersfield who came for a draw and got it by putting ten behind the ball, Wednesday didn't do this. They were trying to win as much as we were. Everytime we had a corner, they had someone in the centre circle in case they won the ball, which they always did. Whereas, everytime they had one, we had our entire team in our own box and every time we won the ball, which we did, we kept punting it up to nobody and it kept coming back. Also, Gestede (Modeste in disguise) played in midfield and wouldn't run for the ball or chase back and the fans were getting on his back. Rovers fans over the decades have never liked lazy players and I think he will be sent back to Cardiff reserves in a couple of weeks. Bowyer is right saying the fans need to look at where we were this time last season but now that we have more stability, we have a good chance to make the play-offs but every home game there are hardly ever any chances created and there is never any goalmouth action. Every home game is the same. The atmosphere is totally dead because all we do week-in-week-out is punt long balls up to Rhodes on his own and it never works. It's so boring. Even people who sit near us who didn't like Allardyce keep saying sarcastically, bring him back all is forgiven. Boring but successful tactics in the Prem have now been relpaced by boring, unsuccessful ones in a division where there is no quality from top to bottom. That's why the poor teams with good managers are doing well. Bowyer needs to play every home game with 2 up front and attack teams. It's the only chance we have of a top 6 place. That's why the fans are getting fed up. The worrying thing is, he wont accept it. Sunday's score prediction - a late goal saves us a crap point against another crap team in another crap boring one up front on his own game, for a 1-1 draw. There, that's all the positives out of the way...!!!
Tell me. Why do you bother going? It isn't compulsory, y'know!
[quote][p][bold]happiness[/bold] wrote: Just read what Bowyer said. The thing was, unlike Reading and Huddersfield who came for a draw and got it by putting ten behind the ball, Wednesday didn't do this. They were trying to win as much as we were. Everytime we had a corner, they had someone in the centre circle in case they won the ball, which they always did. Whereas, everytime they had one, we had our entire team in our own box and every time we won the ball, which we did, we kept punting it up to nobody and it kept coming back. Also, Gestede (Modeste in disguise) played in midfield and wouldn't run for the ball or chase back and the fans were getting on his back. Rovers fans over the decades have never liked lazy players and I think he will be sent back to Cardiff reserves in a couple of weeks. Bowyer is right saying the fans need to look at where we were this time last season but now that we have more stability, we have a good chance to make the play-offs but every home game there are hardly ever any chances created and there is never any goalmouth action. Every home game is the same. The atmosphere is totally dead because all we do week-in-week-out is punt long balls up to Rhodes on his own and it never works. It's so boring. Even people who sit near us who didn't like Allardyce keep saying sarcastically, bring him back all is forgiven. Boring but successful tactics in the Prem have now been relpaced by boring, unsuccessful ones in a division where there is no quality from top to bottom. That's why the poor teams with good managers are doing well. Bowyer needs to play every home game with 2 up front and attack teams. It's the only chance we have of a top 6 place. That's why the fans are getting fed up. The worrying thing is, he wont accept it. Sunday's score prediction - a late goal saves us a crap point against another crap team in another crap boring one up front on his own game, for a 1-1 draw. There, that's all the positives out of the way...!!![/p][/quote]Tell me. Why do you bother going? It isn't compulsory, y'know! Is Eckersley playing?

2:28pm Fri 27 Dec 13

happiness says...

Because I'm a Rovers supporter and I never give up hope. I just 'hope' Bowyer, who I think has steadied the ship very well, now has a good opportunity to get us into the play-offs. However, I think his current negative tactics in home games may be holding us back a little an spoiling our chances. It's very frustrating, especially when we are playing a bottom 3 side at home, with just one up front and all our team in our own box when the opposition has a corner. Just think his tactics are negative and holding us back. That's my point. And it's frustrating to see every home game.
Because I'm a Rovers supporter and I never give up hope. I just 'hope' Bowyer, who I think has steadied the ship very well, now has a good opportunity to get us into the play-offs. However, I think his current negative tactics in home games may be holding us back a little an spoiling our chances. It's very frustrating, especially when we are playing a bottom 3 side at home, with just one up front and all our team in our own box when the opposition has a corner. Just think his tactics are negative and holding us back. That's my point. And it's frustrating to see every home game. happiness

2:29pm Fri 27 Dec 13

owd nick says...

GAZHAY wrote:
If you don't understand the smattering of boos then play the game back and ask yourself this.
Why take a striker off and put on a defensive midfielder when we need a goal.
Why move our most effective player Cairney back out onto the wing when we have seen for weeks it takes him out of the game.
Why was Rochina not starting or at least given 30 minutes and not 8 minutes like he got.
Also why was Campbell on the bench and not used when we desperately needed a goal.
More or less what I was going to say.

Wednesday bossed the midfield because they had bigger, stronger, more experienced players in both defence and midfield, and their big yard dog up front was a constant nuisance, holding the ball up brilliantly until their midfield caught up with him.

So lets give credit where it is due Wednesday had a game plan, and it worked.

I don't like criticising Rovers players but GB sees something in Williamson that I don't because there were far better options on the bench.

When you are being overrun in midfield you need to take pressure off the defence, bringing someone on who is basically a defensive minded midfielder invites more pressure, pushing you further back, which is what happened.

So for me an attacking midfielder working behind Rhodes and Gestede (good player btw) would have been a far better option.

Walking along Branch Road on the way home I was chatting to a couple of Wednesday fans, they were chuffed as hell with the point, they thought it was one of their best performances of the season.

So a little perspective, not one of our greatest showings but I have said many times this season, we ain't going to win every game, we didn't loose, and we didn't loose much ground if any on the teams around us.

It's a very young team, Dann was our most experienced player and he is still only 26.

The point about Campbell, in a tight game like this, Rovers being an inexperienced team, if GB had brought him on and there had been a negative reaction, how would the team have reacted?

If we were winning 2 or 3, it wouldn't have been a problem, but 0-0?

Anyway Sunday is another game, 3 points then and everything is back on track.

COYB's.
[quote][p][bold]GAZHAY[/bold] wrote: If you don't understand the smattering of boos then play the game back and ask yourself this. Why take a striker off and put on a defensive midfielder when we need a goal. Why move our most effective player Cairney back out onto the wing when we have seen for weeks it takes him out of the game. Why was Rochina not starting or at least given 30 minutes and not 8 minutes like he got. Also why was Campbell on the bench and not used when we desperately needed a goal.[/p][/quote]More or less what I was going to say. Wednesday bossed the midfield because they had bigger, stronger, more experienced players in both defence and midfield, and their big yard dog up front was a constant nuisance, holding the ball up brilliantly until their midfield caught up with him. So lets give credit where it is due Wednesday had a game plan, and it worked. I don't like criticising Rovers players but GB sees something in Williamson that I don't because there were far better options on the bench. When you are being overrun in midfield you need to take pressure off the defence, bringing someone on who is basically a defensive minded midfielder invites more pressure, pushing you further back, which is what happened. So for me an attacking midfielder working behind Rhodes and Gestede (good player btw) would have been a far better option. Walking along Branch Road on the way home I was chatting to a couple of Wednesday fans, they were chuffed as hell with the point, they thought it was one of their best performances of the season. So a little perspective, not one of our greatest showings but I have said many times this season, we ain't going to win every game, we didn't loose, and we didn't loose much ground if any on the teams around us. It's a very young team, Dann was our most experienced player and he is still only 26. The point about Campbell, in a tight game like this, Rovers being an inexperienced team, if GB had brought him on and there had been a negative reaction, how would the team have reacted? If we were winning 2 or 3, it wouldn't have been a problem, but 0-0? Anyway Sunday is another game, 3 points then and everything is back on track. COYB's. owd nick

2:29pm Fri 27 Dec 13

BRFC75 says...

Wild Rover wrote:
Well I agree with GB
The booing was unacceptable and unhelpful, this is a young team and as supporters we should be cheering them on.
The Wednesday supporters showed us how it should be done, they lifted their team..
As I said we wont win every game but it needs a team effort from all of us to make sure we are there at the end of the season, manager, players and supporters in the play offs
Come on TEAM GB
WiILD ROVERS , THINK WE CAN SEE NOW THAT YOU ARE DEFINATELY ON VENKYS PAYROLL.
WHERE YOU FROM WILD ROVER ,LET ME GUESS,

CHELTENHAM SCHOOL FOR YOUNG LADIES ?
[quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: Well I agree with GB The booing was unacceptable and unhelpful, this is a young team and as supporters we should be cheering them on. The Wednesday supporters showed us how it should be done, they lifted their team.. As I said we wont win every game but it needs a team effort from all of us to make sure we are there at the end of the season, manager, players and supporters in the play offs Come on TEAM GB[/p][/quote]WiILD ROVERS , THINK WE CAN SEE NOW THAT YOU ARE DEFINATELY ON VENKYS PAYROLL. WHERE YOU FROM WILD ROVER ,LET ME GUESS, CHELTENHAM SCHOOL FOR YOUNG LADIES ? BRFC75

2:37pm Fri 27 Dec 13

s4awx123 says...

If after paying my money and watching that sh*t week in week out a'm entitled to boo!
If after paying my money and watching that sh*t week in week out a'm entitled to boo! s4awx123

2:37pm Fri 27 Dec 13

ghost of sceptic says...

Same problem different season. We cant score goals this is why we went down. To many draws, there is no excuses for Bowyer he has all is front players available it is very dissapointing and looks like we will just miss out a play off spot if we keep dropping points lke this.
Same problem different season. We cant score goals this is why we went down. To many draws, there is no excuses for Bowyer he has all is front players available it is very dissapointing and looks like we will just miss out a play off spot if we keep dropping points lke this. ghost of sceptic

2:54pm Fri 27 Dec 13

stick to football says...

The booing was imo a snese of frustration at the outcome of the game and if anything was directed at the Manaher not the players who worked hard throughout.

The substitutions were both surot=rising and disappointing and said to the fans - we have a point lets not give it away ! Football is an entertainment business and I cant see many who were there yesterday queuning up to buy their half season tickets if that is the best on offer.

Yet again yesterday proved David Dunn's quality is missed even his presenece on the park gives the team and fans a lift - could ha not have managed 15 minutes on Boxing Day as a sub?

Yes we have progressed but can we reach the next level I have doubts we have a squad that can match most but they need managed. If I was Venkys and assume they are desparate for promotion - I would go and get Malky MacKay a proven winner to lead Rovers into 2014.

MacKay sacking at Cardiff is worse than Big Sams here - these egos have Big Egos but little sense
The booing was imo a snese of frustration at the outcome of the game and if anything was directed at the Manaher not the players who worked hard throughout. The substitutions were both surot=rising and disappointing and said to the fans - we have a point lets not give it away ! Football is an entertainment business and I cant see many who were there yesterday queuning up to buy their half season tickets if that is the best on offer. Yet again yesterday proved David Dunn's quality is missed even his presenece on the park gives the team and fans a lift - could ha not have managed 15 minutes on Boxing Day as a sub? Yes we have progressed but can we reach the next level I have doubts we have a squad that can match most but they need managed. If I was Venkys and assume they are desparate for promotion - I would go and get Malky MacKay a proven winner to lead Rovers into 2014. MacKay sacking at Cardiff is worse than Big Sams here - these egos have Big Egos but little sense stick to football

3:19pm Fri 27 Dec 13

dangerous dave says...

Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
greenscreener wrote:
dangerous dave wrote:
Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.
Exactly. Same old clap trap of excuses from gb but more and more posters coming to same conclusion he s simply not good enough as time will prove
Out with the cowboys and indians
Exactly, Ha Ha ha, , Dave can't wait to jump in there to support erroneous 'facts', priceless !
Don't blame him, I can admit mistakes. Which is more than can be said for the hierarchy that DD criticises. My point stands, though. The club is riding on a wave of mediocrity from top to bottom, and whilst fans keep on paying their hard eaned money supporting this shambles the status quo will remain. Happy New Year DD, sorry I dropped you in it, but we aren't all stats nerds who can't see the bigger picture, are we?
All the best to you as well - no probs - I'm no 'shrinking violet' - just say it as I see it without 'blue and white' spectacles like a few who post on here!!!
You have to be realistic so they say and I would be if we didnt have cowboys and indians running the club!!!!
OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM
[quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Same old clap trap of excuses from gb but more and more posters coming to same conclusion he s simply not good enough as time will prove Out with the cowboys and indians[/p][/quote]Exactly, Ha Ha ha, , Dave can't wait to jump in there to support erroneous 'facts', priceless ![/p][/quote]Don't blame him, I can admit mistakes. Which is more than can be said for the hierarchy that DD criticises. My point stands, though. The club is riding on a wave of mediocrity from top to bottom, and whilst fans keep on paying their hard eaned money supporting this shambles the status quo will remain. Happy New Year DD, sorry I dropped you in it, but we aren't all stats nerds who can't see the bigger picture, are we?[/p][/quote]All the best to you as well - no probs - I'm no 'shrinking violet' - just say it as I see it without 'blue and white' spectacles like a few who post on here!!! You have to be realistic so they say and I would be if we didnt have cowboys and indians running the club!!!! OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM dangerous dave

3:29pm Fri 27 Dec 13

dangerous dave says...

ChrisDeBerg wrote:
Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
greenscreener wrote:
Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
greenscreener wrote:
dangerous dave wrote:
Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.
Exactly. Same old clap trap of excuses from gb but more and more posters coming to same conclusion he s simply not good enough as time will prove
Out with the cowboys and indians
Exactly, Ha Ha ha, , Dave can't wait to jump in there to support erroneous 'facts', priceless !
Don't blame him, I can admit mistakes. Which is more than can be said for the hierarchy that DD criticises. My point stands, though. The club is riding on a wave of mediocrity from top to bottom, and whilst fans keep on paying their hard eaned money supporting this shambles the status quo will remain. Happy New Year DD, sorry I dropped you in it, but we aren't all stats nerds who can't see the bigger picture, are we?
Doesn't take a stats nerd to catch you inventing facts to try to justify yourselves.

The club was taken to its knees by incompetent owners and their immoral advisors. After 3 years of being torn apart along comes a decent bloke who starts to restore some semblance of order and sets about rebuilding the team with precious little money. So what help does he get from you ? Does he get even a glimmer of support ? No, he gets abuse, criticism and scorn, if anything is 'a wave of mediocrity' it's the attitude shown by the likes of you and Dave.

You crack on with your boycott, son, hope it makes you feel big and clever, I'm just pleased to know there's a couple of hours a week when I know I'm somewhere there's no chance of meeting the likes of you.
Read the posts on this thread, nerd. How many in favour of his tactics, how many against? A lot of unhappy bunnies I'd say.
Yeah fair enough, GB didn't make the right substitutions as far as most of us are concerned, but a look at the table shows us 4 points off playoff places and 13 points from a relegation battle! GB has us playing ace defensively, which is why we are a steady ship... He also played 2 up front and an attacking team for most of the game remember... So I say a main factor is the strikers faults for not getting the goals when they had the chances!!

In any case, while we are playing well most games and in a better position than we have been for the last 2 years, booing is just not acceptable... Those who booed were a bunch of idiots and need a slap...
the 'lady in the red dress' is back wanting to hand out 'slaps' to the paying fans that are entitled to vent their views when rubbish is served up - perhaps someone out there would like to slap the thighs of the 'lady in the red' - think I'll give it a miss
OUT WITH THE COWBOYS AND INDIANS
[quote][p][bold]ChrisDeBerg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Same old clap trap of excuses from gb but more and more posters coming to same conclusion he s simply not good enough as time will prove Out with the cowboys and indians[/p][/quote]Exactly, Ha Ha ha, , Dave can't wait to jump in there to support erroneous 'facts', priceless ![/p][/quote]Don't blame him, I can admit mistakes. Which is more than can be said for the hierarchy that DD criticises. My point stands, though. The club is riding on a wave of mediocrity from top to bottom, and whilst fans keep on paying their hard eaned money supporting this shambles the status quo will remain. Happy New Year DD, sorry I dropped you in it, but we aren't all stats nerds who can't see the bigger picture, are we?[/p][/quote]Doesn't take a stats nerd to catch you inventing facts to try to justify yourselves. The club was taken to its knees by incompetent owners and their immoral advisors. After 3 years of being torn apart along comes a decent bloke who starts to restore some semblance of order and sets about rebuilding the team with precious little money. So what help does he get from you ? Does he get even a glimmer of support ? No, he gets abuse, criticism and scorn, if anything is 'a wave of mediocrity' it's the attitude shown by the likes of you and Dave. You crack on with your boycott, son, hope it makes you feel big and clever, I'm just pleased to know there's a couple of hours a week when I know I'm somewhere there's no chance of meeting the likes of you.[/p][/quote]Read the posts on this thread, nerd. How many in favour of his tactics, how many against? A lot of unhappy bunnies I'd say.[/p][/quote]Yeah fair enough, GB didn't make the right substitutions as far as most of us are concerned, but a look at the table shows us 4 points off playoff places and 13 points from a relegation battle! GB has us playing ace defensively, which is why we are a steady ship... He also played 2 up front and an attacking team for most of the game remember... So I say a main factor is the strikers faults for not getting the goals when they had the chances!! In any case, while we are playing well most games and in a better position than we have been for the last 2 years, booing is just not acceptable... Those who booed were a bunch of idiots and need a slap...[/p][/quote]the 'lady in the red dress' is back wanting to hand out 'slaps' to the paying fans that are entitled to vent their views when rubbish is served up - perhaps someone out there would like to slap the thighs of the 'lady in the red' - think I'll give it a miss OUT WITH THE COWBOYS AND INDIANS dangerous dave

3:29pm Fri 27 Dec 13

owd nick says...

McKay is a far better manager than Allardyce, his sides play good football for one and I would have him down at Ewood anytime, he has gut's, integrity and honesty.

Allardyce just has one of those three attributes.

I agree with the comments about owners ego's though, but the sad fact is that these days if you want to get anywhere near the top flight let alone in it you need a "sugar daddy" willing to chuck millions into the club without asking questions.

Sadly these guys are all more or less self made billionaires which makes them extremely unlikely to listen.

Some clubs are lucky, Man City, Southampton, etc; some like Cardiff are teetering on the brink, others like Rovers and Portsmouth really get the **** end of the stick.

All part of football's rich tapestry, I suppose that's why we love it so much.
McKay is a far better manager than Allardyce, his sides play good football for one and I would have him down at Ewood anytime, he has gut's, integrity and honesty. Allardyce just has one of those three attributes. I agree with the comments about owners ego's though, but the sad fact is that these days if you want to get anywhere near the top flight let alone in it you need a "sugar daddy" willing to chuck millions into the club without asking questions. Sadly these guys are all more or less self made billionaires which makes them extremely unlikely to listen. Some clubs are lucky, Man City, Southampton, etc; some like Cardiff are teetering on the brink, others like Rovers and Portsmouth really get the **** end of the stick. All part of football's rich tapestry, I suppose that's why we love it so much. owd nick

3:52pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Wild Rover says...

BRFC75 wrote:
Wild Rover wrote:
Well I agree with GB
The booing was unacceptable and unhelpful, this is a young team and as supporters we should be cheering them on.
The Wednesday supporters showed us how it should be done, they lifted their team..
As I said we wont win every game but it needs a team effort from all of us to make sure we are there at the end of the season, manager, players and supporters in the play offs
Come on TEAM GB
WiILD ROVERS , THINK WE CAN SEE NOW THAT YOU ARE DEFINATELY ON VENKYS PAYROLL.
WHERE YOU FROM WILD ROVER ,LET ME GUESS,

CHELTENHAM SCHOOL FOR YOUNG LADIES ?
Well, if it were so I would at least have learnt my grammar, unlike you
Obviously the School for Bipolar Stalkers is not big on English grammar
However if you wish to discuss futher regarding my loyalties come and see me on Sunday in the Craven Heifer, Darwen.12.30 onwards
Happy to chat...
[quote][p][bold]BRFC75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: Well I agree with GB The booing was unacceptable and unhelpful, this is a young team and as supporters we should be cheering them on. The Wednesday supporters showed us how it should be done, they lifted their team.. As I said we wont win every game but it needs a team effort from all of us to make sure we are there at the end of the season, manager, players and supporters in the play offs Come on TEAM GB[/p][/quote]WiILD ROVERS , THINK WE CAN SEE NOW THAT YOU ARE DEFINATELY ON VENKYS PAYROLL. WHERE YOU FROM WILD ROVER ,LET ME GUESS, CHELTENHAM SCHOOL FOR YOUNG LADIES ?[/p][/quote]Well, if it were so I would at least have learnt my grammar, unlike you Obviously the School for Bipolar Stalkers is not big on English grammar However if you wish to discuss futher regarding my loyalties come and see me on Sunday in the Craven Heifer, Darwen.12.30 onwards Happy to chat... Wild Rover

4:41pm Fri 27 Dec 13

garyintandem says...

Gaz, please play Rochina from the start against Birmingham then there won't be excuses for boos. And stop saying Rochina needs to learn his defensive duties. He's a natural talent and just give him the freedom of the front quarter of the pitch, he will cause havoc in this division with his skill and speed and is just the player to unlock defences. I don't see Messi helping out the back four or Suarez .Just give him extra training so his right foot becomes at least half as good as his left
Gaz, please play Rochina from the start against Birmingham then there won't be excuses for boos. And stop saying Rochina needs to learn his defensive duties. He's a natural talent and just give him the freedom of the front quarter of the pitch, he will cause havoc in this division with his skill and speed and is just the player to unlock defences. I don't see Messi helping out the back four or Suarez .Just give him extra training so his right foot becomes at least half as good as his left garyintandem

6:25pm Fri 27 Dec 13

flowersorseaman? says...

MxMave wrote:
“We created some good chances – not enough chances – but we just weren’t ruthless enough in front of goal."

I'm sure that's just a cut and paste job lifted from every single post match article this season.
You dont win promotion on stats like "we got 3 clean sheets this month" unless your scoring a couple of goals each game.
Next game, START with 5 in midfield, ensure one is ruben or dunny. Start king. If were not winning at 65 start throwing strikers on in place of cdm's and defenders. Its pretty much a default strategy for most managers.
Hear, hear!

Spot on, not rocket science this management lark. Our best performances this year have come from 451, and as long as that 5 includes Dunny or Rochina then Rhodes will get the ball in front of him. King has to start but on the right. Job done, now someone please tell GB and let's go get some points.
[quote][p][bold]MxMave[/bold] wrote: “We created some good chances – not enough chances – but we just weren’t ruthless enough in front of goal." I'm sure that's just a cut and paste job lifted from every single post match article this season. You dont win promotion on stats like "we got 3 clean sheets this month" unless your scoring a couple of goals each game. Next game, START with 5 in midfield, ensure one is ruben or dunny. Start king. If were not winning at 65 start throwing strikers on in place of cdm's and defenders. Its pretty much a default strategy for most managers.[/p][/quote]Hear, hear! Spot on, not rocket science this management lark. Our best performances this year have come from 451, and as long as that 5 includes Dunny or Rochina then Rhodes will get the ball in front of him. King has to start but on the right. Job done, now someone please tell GB and let's go get some points. flowersorseaman?

6:36pm Fri 27 Dec 13

flowersorseaman? says...

garyintandem wrote:
Gaz, please play Rochina from the start against Birmingham then there won't be excuses for boos. And stop saying Rochina needs to learn his defensive duties. He's a natural talent and just give him the freedom of the front quarter of the pitch, he will cause havoc in this division with his skill and speed and is just the player to unlock defences. I don't see Messi helping out the back four or Suarez .Just give him extra training so his right foot becomes at least half as good as his left
i think 95% of Rovers fans would agree!
[quote][p][bold]garyintandem[/bold] wrote: Gaz, please play Rochina from the start against Birmingham then there won't be excuses for boos. And stop saying Rochina needs to learn his defensive duties. He's a natural talent and just give him the freedom of the front quarter of the pitch, he will cause havoc in this division with his skill and speed and is just the player to unlock defences. I don't see Messi helping out the back four or Suarez .Just give him extra training so his right foot becomes at least half as good as his left[/p][/quote]i think 95% of Rovers fans would agree! flowersorseaman?

7:05pm Fri 27 Dec 13

tweeter and the monkey man says...

Hh
Hh tweeter and the monkey man

7:47pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Riverside 7 says...

GAZHAY wrote:
If you don't understand the smattering of boos then play the game back and ask yourself this.
Why take a striker off and put on a defensive midfielder when we need a goal.
Why move our most effective player Cairney back out onto the wing when we have seen for weeks it takes him out of the game.
Why was Rochina not starting or at least given 30 minutes and not 8 minutes like he got.
Also why was Campbell on the bench and not used when we desperately needed a goal.
Well said Gaz,

It appeared as though GB had settled for a point after just 60 minutes when he took off Gestede and brought on a 2nd defensive / holding midfielder.

This was a home match against a team in the bottom 3 for heaven's sake.
If we have any ambition to win promotion this year, then surely we ought to be looking to win these sort of games.

It is not good enough for GB to say 'look where we have come from' because he has now been in charge of team affairs since 19 March.

The entertainment value at home games this season has been very, very poor and the fans had every right to voice their opinions

Finally, why was Gestede played 'in the hole' behind Rhodes.
He was far too deep, and he should have led the line up alongside Rhodes.

I conducted a poll of fellow fans in the pub after the game and not one thought GB was the man to lead us to promotion.
[quote][p][bold]GAZHAY[/bold] wrote: If you don't understand the smattering of boos then play the game back and ask yourself this. Why take a striker off and put on a defensive midfielder when we need a goal. Why move our most effective player Cairney back out onto the wing when we have seen for weeks it takes him out of the game. Why was Rochina not starting or at least given 30 minutes and not 8 minutes like he got. Also why was Campbell on the bench and not used when we desperately needed a goal.[/p][/quote]Well said Gaz, It appeared as though GB had settled for a point after just 60 minutes when he took off Gestede and brought on a 2nd defensive / holding midfielder. This was a home match against a team in the bottom 3 for heaven's sake. If we have any ambition to win promotion this year, then surely we ought to be looking to win these sort of games. It is not good enough for GB to say 'look where we have come from' because he has now been in charge of team affairs since 19 March. The entertainment value at home games this season has been very, very poor and the fans had every right to voice their opinions Finally, why was Gestede played 'in the hole' behind Rhodes. He was far too deep, and he should have led the line up alongside Rhodes. I conducted a poll of fellow fans in the pub after the game and not one thought GB was the man to lead us to promotion. Riverside 7

8:12pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Wild Rover says...

flowersorseaman? wrote:
MxMave wrote:
“We created some good chances – not enough chances – but we just weren’t ruthless enough in front of goal."

I'm sure that's just a cut and paste job lifted from every single post match article this season.
You dont win promotion on stats like "we got 3 clean sheets this month" unless your scoring a couple of goals each game.
Next game, START with 5 in midfield, ensure one is ruben or dunny. Start king. If were not winning at 65 start throwing strikers on in place of cdm's and defenders. Its pretty much a default strategy for most managers.
Hear, hear!

Spot on, not rocket science this management lark. Our best performances this year have come from 451, and as long as that 5 includes Dunny or Rochina then Rhodes will get the ball in front of him. King has to start but on the right. Job done, now someone please tell GB and let's go get some points.
Well one of you best get your name down for manager then. Obviously these football pro's don't have clue
Same armchair managers that moan when we concede goals moan when we don't!
What will you say if he plays Rochina and he gives the ball away again in midfield leading to goals against? The lad has obviously not learnt anything or he would be in the side
GB sees these lads all week long in training, he knows who is delivering and who is not
And finally you guys were saying we had no chance with GB in charge right from the off and that we were tied on for relegation with him charge?
Don't look that way to me
We might not get promoted this time round? And so what? It would be a miraculous turn round if we did
Give the guy a chance
[quote][p][bold]flowersorseaman?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MxMave[/bold] wrote: “We created some good chances – not enough chances – but we just weren’t ruthless enough in front of goal." I'm sure that's just a cut and paste job lifted from every single post match article this season. You dont win promotion on stats like "we got 3 clean sheets this month" unless your scoring a couple of goals each game. Next game, START with 5 in midfield, ensure one is ruben or dunny. Start king. If were not winning at 65 start throwing strikers on in place of cdm's and defenders. Its pretty much a default strategy for most managers.[/p][/quote]Hear, hear! Spot on, not rocket science this management lark. Our best performances this year have come from 451, and as long as that 5 includes Dunny or Rochina then Rhodes will get the ball in front of him. King has to start but on the right. Job done, now someone please tell GB and let's go get some points.[/p][/quote]Well one of you best get your name down for manager then. Obviously these football pro's don't have clue Same armchair managers that moan when we concede goals moan when we don't! What will you say if he plays Rochina and he gives the ball away again in midfield leading to goals against? The lad has obviously not learnt anything or he would be in the side GB sees these lads all week long in training, he knows who is delivering and who is not And finally you guys were saying we had no chance with GB in charge right from the off and that we were tied on for relegation with him charge? Don't look that way to me We might not get promoted this time round? And so what? It would be a miraculous turn round if we did Give the guy a chance Wild Rover

8:12pm Fri 27 Dec 13

baldie says...

dangerous dave wrote:
Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.
Exactly. Same old clap trap of excuses from gb but more and more posters coming to same conclusion he s simply not good enough as time will prove
Out with the cowboys and indians
Get a room
[quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: If he wants to see progress he should look at Derby, Ipswich and Forest. All managers appointed after him.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Same old clap trap of excuses from gb but more and more posters coming to same conclusion he s simply not good enough as time will prove Out with the cowboys and indians[/p][/quote]Get a room baldie

8:29pm Fri 27 Dec 13

baldie says...

Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
happiness wrote:
Just read what Bowyer said. The thing was, unlike Reading and Huddersfield who came for a draw and got it by putting ten behind the ball, Wednesday didn't do this. They were trying to win as much as we were. Everytime we had a corner, they had someone in the centre circle in case they won the ball, which they always did. Whereas, everytime they had one, we had our entire team in our own box and every time we won the ball, which we did, we kept punting it up to nobody and it kept coming back. Also, Gestede (Modeste in disguise) played in midfield and wouldn't run for the ball or chase back and the fans were getting on his back. Rovers fans over the decades have never liked lazy players and I think he will be sent back to Cardiff reserves in a couple of weeks. Bowyer is right saying the fans need to look at where we were this time last season but now that we have more stability, we have a good chance to make the play-offs but every home game there are hardly ever any chances created and there is never any goalmouth action. Every home game is the same. The atmosphere is totally dead because all we do week-in-week-out is punt long balls up to Rhodes on his own and it never works. It's so boring. Even people who sit near us who didn't like Allardyce keep saying sarcastically, bring him back all is forgiven. Boring but successful tactics in the Prem have now been relpaced by boring, unsuccessful ones in a division where there is no quality from top to bottom. That's why the poor teams with good managers are doing well. Bowyer needs to play every home game with 2 up front and attack teams. It's the only chance we have of a top 6 place. That's why the fans are getting fed up. The worrying thing is, he wont accept it. Sunday's score prediction - a late goal saves us a crap point against another crap team in another crap boring one up front on his own game, for a 1-1 draw. There, that's all the positives out of the way...!!!
Tell me. Why do you bother going? It isn't compulsory, y'know!
I suppose your last comment sums our differences up in a nutshell.
[quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]happiness[/bold] wrote: Just read what Bowyer said. The thing was, unlike Reading and Huddersfield who came for a draw and got it by putting ten behind the ball, Wednesday didn't do this. They were trying to win as much as we were. Everytime we had a corner, they had someone in the centre circle in case they won the ball, which they always did. Whereas, everytime they had one, we had our entire team in our own box and every time we won the ball, which we did, we kept punting it up to nobody and it kept coming back. Also, Gestede (Modeste in disguise) played in midfield and wouldn't run for the ball or chase back and the fans were getting on his back. Rovers fans over the decades have never liked lazy players and I think he will be sent back to Cardiff reserves in a couple of weeks. Bowyer is right saying the fans need to look at where we were this time last season but now that we have more stability, we have a good chance to make the play-offs but every home game there are hardly ever any chances created and there is never any goalmouth action. Every home game is the same. The atmosphere is totally dead because all we do week-in-week-out is punt long balls up to Rhodes on his own and it never works. It's so boring. Even people who sit near us who didn't like Allardyce keep saying sarcastically, bring him back all is forgiven. Boring but successful tactics in the Prem have now been relpaced by boring, unsuccessful ones in a division where there is no quality from top to bottom. That's why the poor teams with good managers are doing well. Bowyer needs to play every home game with 2 up front and attack teams. It's the only chance we have of a top 6 place. That's why the fans are getting fed up. The worrying thing is, he wont accept it. Sunday's score prediction - a late goal saves us a crap point against another crap team in another crap boring one up front on his own game, for a 1-1 draw. There, that's all the positives out of the way...!!![/p][/quote]Tell me. Why do you bother going? It isn't compulsory, y'know![/p][/quote]I suppose your last comment sums our differences up in a nutshell. baldie

9:31pm Fri 27 Dec 13

digitusjonfred says...

7 points out of 9..pretty good to me, hoping 3 points against Brum for a good month. GO ROVERS
7 points out of 9..pretty good to me, hoping 3 points against Brum for a good month. GO ROVERS digitusjonfred

11:22pm Fri 27 Dec 13

A Rover 45 years and over says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
A Rover 45 years and over wrote: Yes Gary you have done a lot of good work for the Club you have brought some good championship players in, the players put a good shift in every week and you have brought stability back to the club for now but you are not taking advantage of what you have potentially created with some of your game plans and tactics. The fans where booing in frustration that your safety first approach lost us another two points as you decided to abandon a win for a clean sheet when you brought williamson on for Getsede who was causing Wednesday problems at the time. You will not win promotion by playing safe most of the time and relying on Rhodes to nick one playing on his own up front. The financial clock is ticking, time is running out with a transfer embargo looming you have got to get your finger out and go for it before it is too late.
Spot on - GB has done a great job at stabilising the club and getting them up the league BUT if anyone seriously hopes that Rovers can get back into the PL again then it has to be this year. Once we get to summer then if we have failed to get up via the playoffs then it will be a fire sale - why ? - because everyone can see the transfer embargo coming then and our best players will want away and Venkys will also want to sell them to recoup some of our loses which will by then be increasing as we lose another £8m per annum in TV money. Because of this reason its now or never and we aint gonna get into the playoffs playing for a draw at home against a team in the bottom 3. We go away to Leeds in a weeks time and now we can't afford to lose that game as they are one of the teams 3 points above us AND theres 4 other teams between us and the playoffs AND Wigan just below us, with a game in hand. We all talk about "winning a run of games to shoot up this league" - and it is true and yesterday was taylor made to get us on one of those 6 or 7 winning game streaks you need, like Burnley have had and so have Derby. IF we're going to get into the playoffs (and its a big if) GB has to be brave and go for it - like he did at Bournemouth. 0-0 draws at home to ave or poor sides will get us NO WHERE at the end of the season. GB HALF SEASON REPORT - overall done a really good job but if he is to get us into the playoffs then he has to step it up again to another management level and get the players performing and scoring much more consistantly.
Very well said
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Rover 45 years and over[/bold] wrote: Yes Gary you have done a lot of good work for the Club you have brought some good championship players in, the players put a good shift in every week and you have brought stability back to the club for now but you are not taking advantage of what you have potentially created with some of your game plans and tactics. The fans where booing in frustration that your safety first approach lost us another two points as you decided to abandon a win for a clean sheet when you brought williamson on for Getsede who was causing Wednesday problems at the time. You will not win promotion by playing safe most of the time and relying on Rhodes to nick one playing on his own up front. The financial clock is ticking, time is running out with a transfer embargo looming you have got to get your finger out and go for it before it is too late.[/p][/quote]Spot on - GB has done a great job at stabilising the club and getting them up the league BUT if anyone seriously hopes that Rovers can get back into the PL again then it has to be this year. Once we get to summer then if we have failed to get up via the playoffs then it will be a fire sale - why ? - because everyone can see the transfer embargo coming then and our best players will want away and Venkys will also want to sell them to recoup some of our loses which will by then be increasing as we lose another £8m per annum in TV money. Because of this reason its now or never and we aint gonna get into the playoffs playing for a draw at home against a team in the bottom 3. We go away to Leeds in a weeks time and now we can't afford to lose that game as they are one of the teams 3 points above us AND theres 4 other teams between us and the playoffs AND Wigan just below us, with a game in hand. We all talk about "winning a run of games to shoot up this league" - and it is true and yesterday was taylor made to get us on one of those 6 or 7 winning game streaks you need, like Burnley have had and so have Derby. IF we're going to get into the playoffs (and its a big if) GB has to be brave and go for it - like he did at Bournemouth. 0-0 draws at home to ave or poor sides will get us NO WHERE at the end of the season. GB HALF SEASON REPORT - overall done a really good job but if he is to get us into the playoffs then he has to step it up again to another management level and get the players performing and scoring much more consistantly.[/p][/quote]Very well said A Rover 45 years and over

1:14am Sat 28 Dec 13

Kean out says...

Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
happiness wrote:
Just read what Bowyer said. The thing was, unlike Reading and Huddersfield who came for a draw and got it by putting ten behind the ball, Wednesday didn't do this. They were trying to win as much as we were. Everytime we had a corner, they had someone in the centre circle in case they won the ball, which they always did. Whereas, everytime they had one, we had our entire team in our own box and every time we won the ball, which we did, we kept punting it up to nobody and it kept coming back. Also, Gestede (Modeste in disguise) played in midfield and wouldn't run for the ball or chase back and the fans were getting on his back. Rovers fans over the decades have never liked lazy players and I think he will be sent back to Cardiff reserves in a couple of weeks. Bowyer is right saying the fans need to look at where we were this time last season but now that we have more stability, we have a good chance to make the play-offs but every home game there are hardly ever any chances created and there is never any goalmouth action. Every home game is the same. The atmosphere is totally dead because all we do week-in-week-out is punt long balls up to Rhodes on his own and it never works. It's so boring. Even people who sit near us who didn't like Allardyce keep saying sarcastically, bring him back all is forgiven. Boring but successful tactics in the Prem have now been relpaced by boring, unsuccessful ones in a division where there is no quality from top to bottom. That's why the poor teams with good managers are doing well. Bowyer needs to play every home game with 2 up front and attack teams. It's the only chance we have of a top 6 place. That's why the fans are getting fed up. The worrying thing is, he wont accept it. Sunday's score prediction - a late goal saves us a crap point against another crap team in another crap boring one up front on his own game, for a 1-1 draw. There, that's all the positives out of the way...!!!
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[quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]happiness[/bold] wrote: Just read what Bowyer said. The thing was, unlike Reading and Huddersfield who came for a draw and got it by putting ten behind the ball, Wednesday didn't do this. They were trying to win as much as we were. Everytime we had a corner, they had someone in the centre circle in case they won the ball, which they always did. Whereas, everytime they had one, we had our entire team in our own box and every time we won the ball, which we did, we kept punting it up to nobody and it kept coming back. Also, Gestede (Modeste in disguise) played in midfield and wouldn't run for the ball or chase back and the fans were getting on his back. Rovers fans over the decades have never liked lazy players and I think he will be sent back to Cardiff reserves in a couple of weeks. Bowyer is right saying the fans need to look at where we were this time last season but now that we have more stability, we have a good chance to make the play-offs but every home game there are hardly ever any chances created and there is never any goalmouth action. Every home game is the same. The atmosphere is totally dead because all we do week-in-week-out is punt long balls up to Rhodes on his own and it never works. It's so boring. Even people who sit near us who didn't like Allardyce keep saying sarcastically, bring him back all is forgiven. Boring but successful tactics in the Prem have now been relpaced by boring, unsuccessful ones in a division where there is no quality from top to bottom. That's why the poor teams with good managers are doing well. Bowyer needs to play every home game with 2 up front and attack teams. It's the only chance we have of a top 6 place. That's why the fans are getting fed up. The worrying thing is, he wont accept it. Sunday's score prediction - a late goal saves us a crap point against another crap team in another crap boring one up front on his own game, for a 1-1 draw. There, that's all the positives out of the way...!!![/p][/quote]Tell me. Why do you bother going? It isn't compulsory, y'know![/p][/quote]Tell me. Why do you bother posting on here? It isn't compulsory, y'know! Kean out

2:13am Sat 28 Dec 13

champs95 says...

Kean out wrote:
Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
happiness wrote:
Just read what Bowyer said. The thing was, unlike Reading and Huddersfield who came for a draw and got it by putting ten behind the ball, Wednesday didn't do this. They were trying to win as much as we were. Everytime we had a corner, they had someone in the centre circle in case they won the ball, which they always did. Whereas, everytime they had one, we had our entire team in our own box and every time we won the ball, which we did, we kept punting it up to nobody and it kept coming back. Also, Gestede (Modeste in disguise) played in midfield and wouldn't run for the ball or chase back and the fans were getting on his back. Rovers fans over the decades have never liked lazy players and I think he will be sent back to Cardiff reserves in a couple of weeks. Bowyer is right saying the fans need to look at where we were this time last season but now that we have more stability, we have a good chance to make the play-offs but every home game there are hardly ever any chances created and there is never any goalmouth action. Every home game is the same. The atmosphere is totally dead because all we do week-in-week-out is punt long balls up to Rhodes on his own and it never works. It's so boring. Even people who sit near us who didn't like Allardyce keep saying sarcastically, bring him back all is forgiven. Boring but successful tactics in the Prem have now been relpaced by boring, unsuccessful ones in a division where there is no quality from top to bottom. That's why the poor teams with good managers are doing well. Bowyer needs to play every home game with 2 up front and attack teams. It's the only chance we have of a top 6 place. That's why the fans are getting fed up. The worrying thing is, he wont accept it. Sunday's score prediction - a late goal saves us a crap point against another crap team in another crap boring one up front on his own game, for a 1-1 draw. There, that's all the positives out of the way...!!!
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Because he loves a disappointing result. If you we win against Birmingham you wont here a word from him. I pity the fool.......
[quote][p][bold]Kean out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]happiness[/bold] wrote: Just read what Bowyer said. The thing was, unlike Reading and Huddersfield who came for a draw and got it by putting ten behind the ball, Wednesday didn't do this. They were trying to win as much as we were. Everytime we had a corner, they had someone in the centre circle in case they won the ball, which they always did. Whereas, everytime they had one, we had our entire team in our own box and every time we won the ball, which we did, we kept punting it up to nobody and it kept coming back. Also, Gestede (Modeste in disguise) played in midfield and wouldn't run for the ball or chase back and the fans were getting on his back. Rovers fans over the decades have never liked lazy players and I think he will be sent back to Cardiff reserves in a couple of weeks. Bowyer is right saying the fans need to look at where we were this time last season but now that we have more stability, we have a good chance to make the play-offs but every home game there are hardly ever any chances created and there is never any goalmouth action. Every home game is the same. The atmosphere is totally dead because all we do week-in-week-out is punt long balls up to Rhodes on his own and it never works. It's so boring. Even people who sit near us who didn't like Allardyce keep saying sarcastically, bring him back all is forgiven. Boring but successful tactics in the Prem have now been relpaced by boring, unsuccessful ones in a division where there is no quality from top to bottom. That's why the poor teams with good managers are doing well. Bowyer needs to play every home game with 2 up front and attack teams. It's the only chance we have of a top 6 place. That's why the fans are getting fed up. The worrying thing is, he wont accept it. Sunday's score prediction - a late goal saves us a crap point against another crap team in another crap boring one up front on his own game, for a 1-1 draw. There, that's all the positives out of the way...!!![/p][/quote]Tell me. Why do you bother going? It isn't compulsory, y'know![/p][/quote]Tell me. Why do you bother posting on here? It isn't compulsory, y'know![/p][/quote]Because he loves a disappointing result. If you we win against Birmingham you wont here a word from him. I pity the fool....... champs95

2:14am Sat 28 Dec 13

champs95 says...

*hear
*hear champs95

7:31am Sat 28 Dec 13

forever blue and white says...

I firmly believe that with the squad we have we should be in the top 3 or 4 easily. I agree with most of the posters that GB has done an excellent job at stopping the turmoil and steadying the ship. However, it is performances like the one against Sheffield Wed that will continually let us down. I don't mean team performance I mean the managers performance. I suspect I blind man could see that as good as Rhodes is, he can't play up front on his own. We also surely do not need to play 2 defensive midfielders in the same team when we are at home. These continual mistakes in my opinion could cost us a play off spot. With this squad of players, that is poor management I am afraid. We have a very good young team put together by GB but he must play them to the teams strengths and stop playing safe. Particularly at home. I don't like to slate the manager but I think if we had a Malky Mackay in charge of exactly the same squad we would be top of the league or certainly a lot closer than we are today. I really hope GB proves me wrong though.
I firmly believe that with the squad we have we should be in the top 3 or 4 easily. I agree with most of the posters that GB has done an excellent job at stopping the turmoil and steadying the ship. However, it is performances like the one against Sheffield Wed that will continually let us down. I don't mean team performance I mean the managers performance. I suspect I blind man could see that as good as Rhodes is, he can't play up front on his own. We also surely do not need to play 2 defensive midfielders in the same team when we are at home. These continual mistakes in my opinion could cost us a play off spot. With this squad of players, that is poor management I am afraid. We have a very good young team put together by GB but he must play them to the teams strengths and stop playing safe. Particularly at home. I don't like to slate the manager but I think if we had a Malky Mackay in charge of exactly the same squad we would be top of the league or certainly a lot closer than we are today. I really hope GB proves me wrong though. forever blue and white

8:34am Sat 28 Dec 13

greenscreener says...

forever blue and white wrote:
I firmly believe that with the squad we have we should be in the top 3 or 4 easily. I agree with most of the posters that GB has done an excellent job at stopping the turmoil and steadying the ship. However, it is performances like the one against Sheffield Wed that will continually let us down. I don't mean team performance I mean the managers performance. I suspect I blind man could see that as good as Rhodes is, he can't play up front on his own. We also surely do not need to play 2 defensive midfielders in the same team when we are at home. These continual mistakes in my opinion could cost us a play off spot. With this squad of players, that is poor management I am afraid. We have a very good young team put together by GB but he must play them to the teams strengths and stop playing safe. Particularly at home. I don't like to slate the manager but I think if we had a Malky Mackay in charge of exactly the same squad we would be top of the league or certainly a lot closer than we are today. I really hope GB proves me wrong though.
Funny you mention Malky, There were a number of callers to TalkSport last night saying that Makay was not going to be missed at Cardiff because his football was dull and negative, they were far more upset about the club colours changing from blue to red.

West Ham fans are also increasingly grumbling that Big Sam has run out of ideas, and struggling to make his system work without Carroll !

Be careful what you wish for.
[quote][p][bold]forever blue and white[/bold] wrote: I firmly believe that with the squad we have we should be in the top 3 or 4 easily. I agree with most of the posters that GB has done an excellent job at stopping the turmoil and steadying the ship. However, it is performances like the one against Sheffield Wed that will continually let us down. I don't mean team performance I mean the managers performance. I suspect I blind man could see that as good as Rhodes is, he can't play up front on his own. We also surely do not need to play 2 defensive midfielders in the same team when we are at home. These continual mistakes in my opinion could cost us a play off spot. With this squad of players, that is poor management I am afraid. We have a very good young team put together by GB but he must play them to the teams strengths and stop playing safe. Particularly at home. I don't like to slate the manager but I think if we had a Malky Mackay in charge of exactly the same squad we would be top of the league or certainly a lot closer than we are today. I really hope GB proves me wrong though.[/p][/quote]Funny you mention Malky, There were a number of callers to TalkSport last night saying that Makay was not going to be missed at Cardiff because his football was dull and negative, they were far more upset about the club colours changing from blue to red. West Ham fans are also increasingly grumbling that Big Sam has run out of ideas, and struggling to make his system work without Carroll ! Be careful what you wish for. greenscreener

8:59am Sat 28 Dec 13

Captain Dreckley says...

GB needs to realise that the boos are pure frustration because we know this squad is capable of so much more and one major factor holding the team back on the park are his tactics. GB works on the principle of getting ahead then closing the game down and claiming 3 points, he is obviously a fan of George Graham at Arsenal. But this is the championship and we dont have that Arsenal squad so it ain't gonna work. G B has done a lot of good and brought much needed credibility back to the club and has demonstrated that a Rovers manager can last longer than an English ashes batsman. He has also kept Shebby away and I worry that if venkys hear the boos it may bring the return of the snake like one and the chaos he brings. GB is a coach and lacks a managers tactical understanding and that is his weakness. None of us want to see a repeat of last years manager fiasco where GB was a modern day Tony Parks (interestingly Tony never took the job permanently) so maybe an option to support GB is to bring in a mentor to support him around tactics in training and during games until the end of the season. Plenty of managers with bags of experience out there who have done it at this level, a certain Mr Souness comes to mind
GB needs to realise that the boos are pure frustration because we know this squad is capable of so much more and one major factor holding the team back on the park are his tactics. GB works on the principle of getting ahead then closing the game down and claiming 3 points, he is obviously a fan of George Graham at Arsenal. But this is the championship and we dont have that Arsenal squad so it ain't gonna work. G B has done a lot of good and brought much needed credibility back to the club and has demonstrated that a Rovers manager can last longer than an English ashes batsman. He has also kept Shebby away and I worry that if venkys hear the boos it may bring the return of the snake like one and the chaos he brings. GB is a coach and lacks a managers tactical understanding and that is his weakness. None of us want to see a repeat of last years manager fiasco where GB was a modern day Tony Parks (interestingly Tony never took the job permanently) so maybe an option to support GB is to bring in a mentor to support him around tactics in training and during games until the end of the season. Plenty of managers with bags of experience out there who have done it at this level, a certain Mr Souness comes to mind Captain Dreckley

9:30am Sat 28 Dec 13

forever blue and white says...

greenscreener wrote:
forever blue and white wrote:
I firmly believe that with the squad we have we should be in the top 3 or 4 easily. I agree with most of the posters that GB has done an excellent job at stopping the turmoil and steadying the ship. However, it is performances like the one against Sheffield Wed that will continually let us down. I don't mean team performance I mean the managers performance. I suspect I blind man could see that as good as Rhodes is, he can't play up front on his own. We also surely do not need to play 2 defensive midfielders in the same team when we are at home. These continual mistakes in my opinion could cost us a play off spot. With this squad of players, that is poor management I am afraid. We have a very good young team put together by GB but he must play them to the teams strengths and stop playing safe. Particularly at home. I don't like to slate the manager but I think if we had a Malky Mackay in charge of exactly the same squad we would be top of the league or certainly a lot closer than we are today. I really hope GB proves me wrong though.
Funny you mention Malky, There were a number of callers to TalkSport last night saying that Makay was not going to be missed at Cardiff because his football was dull and negative, they were far more upset about the club colours changing from blue to red.

West Ham fans are also increasingly grumbling that Big Sam has run out of ideas, and struggling to make his system work without Carroll !

Be careful what you wish for.
I suggest you watch at 5.30 today just to see how many people are protesting at the treatment Malky has received from the owner. I think you will find he was very popular. My point is that Malky is a winner and whilst I think GB has done a good job I just have my doubts as to if he has the winning attitude to take them up. At the minute there has been to many negative moves in a game rather than positive. I hope going forward GB gets it right as what I wish for is him to succeed. I didn't wish for anything else, you may want to consider that before you put words in my mouth.
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forever blue and white[/bold] wrote: I firmly believe that with the squad we have we should be in the top 3 or 4 easily. I agree with most of the posters that GB has done an excellent job at stopping the turmoil and steadying the ship. However, it is performances like the one against Sheffield Wed that will continually let us down. I don't mean team performance I mean the managers performance. I suspect I blind man could see that as good as Rhodes is, he can't play up front on his own. We also surely do not need to play 2 defensive midfielders in the same team when we are at home. These continual mistakes in my opinion could cost us a play off spot. With this squad of players, that is poor management I am afraid. We have a very good young team put together by GB but he must play them to the teams strengths and stop playing safe. Particularly at home. I don't like to slate the manager but I think if we had a Malky Mackay in charge of exactly the same squad we would be top of the league or certainly a lot closer than we are today. I really hope GB proves me wrong though.[/p][/quote]Funny you mention Malky, There were a number of callers to TalkSport last night saying that Makay was not going to be missed at Cardiff because his football was dull and negative, they were far more upset about the club colours changing from blue to red. West Ham fans are also increasingly grumbling that Big Sam has run out of ideas, and struggling to make his system work without Carroll ! Be careful what you wish for.[/p][/quote]I suggest you watch at 5.30 today just to see how many people are protesting at the treatment Malky has received from the owner. I think you will find he was very popular. My point is that Malky is a winner and whilst I think GB has done a good job I just have my doubts as to if he has the winning attitude to take them up. At the minute there has been to many negative moves in a game rather than positive. I hope going forward GB gets it right as what I wish for is him to succeed. I didn't wish for anything else, you may want to consider that before you put words in my mouth. forever blue and white

9:40am Sat 28 Dec 13

greenscreener says...

Captain Dreckley wrote:
GB needs to realise that the boos are pure frustration because we know this squad is capable of so much more and one major factor holding the team back on the park are his tactics. GB works on the principle of getting ahead then closing the game down and claiming 3 points, he is obviously a fan of George Graham at Arsenal. But this is the championship and we dont have that Arsenal squad so it ain't gonna work. G B has done a lot of good and brought much needed credibility back to the club and has demonstrated that a Rovers manager can last longer than an English ashes batsman. He has also kept Shebby away and I worry that if venkys hear the boos it may bring the return of the snake like one and the chaos he brings. GB is a coach and lacks a managers tactical understanding and that is his weakness. None of us want to see a repeat of last years manager fiasco where GB was a modern day Tony Parks (interestingly Tony never took the job permanently) so maybe an option to support GB is to bring in a mentor to support him around tactics in training and during games until the end of the season. Plenty of managers with bags of experience out there who have done it at this level, a certain Mr Souness comes to mind
Excellent points there Captain, and I think the stability that we were screaming for last season has been the priority item on GBs list for this first half of the season.

Personally I believe that GB has been around pro football to understand more about football tactics and strategy than most of us, and to bring some stability on the field he has shored up the defence with a more solid midfield and has made substitutions with an eye to pragmatism rather than adventure. With hindsight, had we won a couple of our draws but lost the others he would have been crucified by now. As a fan it's not what I want to watch but in his position, early in the process of building a young team and trying to rebuild the club, maybe it's understandable.

I will reserve my judgement on the half season until after Sunday but I think that being where we are now is something I would have taken back in August. GB can meet the owners in Jan and tell them he has delivered massive improvement, something the bullshitter Kean never could.

With support of the owners, and the fans, GB can then look to push on in the second half of the season and I hope have the confidence to make the bolder decisions we want from him.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Dreckley[/bold] wrote: GB needs to realise that the boos are pure frustration because we know this squad is capable of so much more and one major factor holding the team back on the park are his tactics. GB works on the principle of getting ahead then closing the game down and claiming 3 points, he is obviously a fan of George Graham at Arsenal. But this is the championship and we dont have that Arsenal squad so it ain't gonna work. G B has done a lot of good and brought much needed credibility back to the club and has demonstrated that a Rovers manager can last longer than an English ashes batsman. He has also kept Shebby away and I worry that if venkys hear the boos it may bring the return of the snake like one and the chaos he brings. GB is a coach and lacks a managers tactical understanding and that is his weakness. None of us want to see a repeat of last years manager fiasco where GB was a modern day Tony Parks (interestingly Tony never took the job permanently) so maybe an option to support GB is to bring in a mentor to support him around tactics in training and during games until the end of the season. Plenty of managers with bags of experience out there who have done it at this level, a certain Mr Souness comes to mind[/p][/quote]Excellent points there Captain, and I think the stability that we were screaming for last season has been the priority item on GBs list for this first half of the season. Personally I believe that GB has been around pro football to understand more about football tactics and strategy than most of us, and to bring some stability on the field he has shored up the defence with a more solid midfield and has made substitutions with an eye to pragmatism rather than adventure. With hindsight, had we won a couple of our draws but lost the others he would have been crucified by now. As a fan it's not what I want to watch but in his position, early in the process of building a young team and trying to rebuild the club, maybe it's understandable. I will reserve my judgement on the half season until after Sunday but I think that being where we are now is something I would have taken back in August. GB can meet the owners in Jan and tell them he has delivered massive improvement, something the bullshitter Kean never could. With support of the owners, and the fans, GB can then look to push on in the second half of the season and I hope have the confidence to make the bolder decisions we want from him. greenscreener

9:51am Sat 28 Dec 13

greenscreener says...

forever blue and white wrote:
greenscreener wrote:
forever blue and white wrote:
I firmly believe that with the squad we have we should be in the top 3 or 4 easily. I agree with most of the posters that GB has done an excellent job at stopping the turmoil and steadying the ship. However, it is performances like the one against Sheffield Wed that will continually let us down. I don't mean team performance I mean the managers performance. I suspect I blind man could see that as good as Rhodes is, he can't play up front on his own. We also surely do not need to play 2 defensive midfielders in the same team when we are at home. These continual mistakes in my opinion could cost us a play off spot. With this squad of players, that is poor management I am afraid. We have a very good young team put together by GB but he must play them to the teams strengths and stop playing safe. Particularly at home. I don't like to slate the manager but I think if we had a Malky Mackay in charge of exactly the same squad we would be top of the league or certainly a lot closer than we are today. I really hope GB proves me wrong though.
Funny you mention Malky, There were a number of callers to TalkSport last night saying that Makay was not going to be missed at Cardiff because his football was dull and negative, they were far more upset about the club colours changing from blue to red.

West Ham fans are also increasingly grumbling that Big Sam has run out of ideas, and struggling to make his system work without Carroll !

Be careful what you wish for.
I suggest you watch at 5.30 today just to see how many people are protesting at the treatment Malky has received from the owner. I think you will find he was very popular. My point is that Malky is a winner and whilst I think GB has done a good job I just have my doubts as to if he has the winning attitude to take them up. At the minute there has been to many negative moves in a game rather than positive. I hope going forward GB gets it right as what I wish for is him to succeed. I didn't wish for anything else, you may want to consider that before you put words in my mouth.
Sorry Forever, point taken, I wasn't being confrontational there, just noting something I picked up on the radio, it surprised me too. I think I've just read too many posts from those who think a change of manager fixes everything, yours is not one of them!
[quote][p][bold]forever blue and white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forever blue and white[/bold] wrote: I firmly believe that with the squad we have we should be in the top 3 or 4 easily. I agree with most of the posters that GB has done an excellent job at stopping the turmoil and steadying the ship. However, it is performances like the one against Sheffield Wed that will continually let us down. I don't mean team performance I mean the managers performance. I suspect I blind man could see that as good as Rhodes is, he can't play up front on his own. We also surely do not need to play 2 defensive midfielders in the same team when we are at home. These continual mistakes in my opinion could cost us a play off spot. With this squad of players, that is poor management I am afraid. We have a very good young team put together by GB but he must play them to the teams strengths and stop playing safe. Particularly at home. I don't like to slate the manager but I think if we had a Malky Mackay in charge of exactly the same squad we would be top of the league or certainly a lot closer than we are today. I really hope GB proves me wrong though.[/p][/quote]Funny you mention Malky, There were a number of callers to TalkSport last night saying that Makay was not going to be missed at Cardiff because his football was dull and negative, they were far more upset about the club colours changing from blue to red. West Ham fans are also increasingly grumbling that Big Sam has run out of ideas, and struggling to make his system work without Carroll ! Be careful what you wish for.[/p][/quote]I suggest you watch at 5.30 today just to see how many people are protesting at the treatment Malky has received from the owner. I think you will find he was very popular. My point is that Malky is a winner and whilst I think GB has done a good job I just have my doubts as to if he has the winning attitude to take them up. At the minute there has been to many negative moves in a game rather than positive. I hope going forward GB gets it right as what I wish for is him to succeed. I didn't wish for anything else, you may want to consider that before you put words in my mouth.[/p][/quote]Sorry Forever, point taken, I wasn't being confrontational there, just noting something I picked up on the radio, it surprised me too. I think I've just read too many posts from those who think a change of manager fixes everything, yours is not one of them! greenscreener

10:25am Sat 28 Dec 13

Harwoodstblue says...

greenscreener wrote:
forever blue and white wrote:
greenscreener wrote:
forever blue and white wrote:
I firmly believe that with the squad we have we should be in the top 3 or 4 easily. I agree with most of the posters that GB has done an excellent job at stopping the turmoil and steadying the ship. However, it is performances like the one against Sheffield Wed that will continually let us down. I don't mean team performance I mean the managers performance. I suspect I blind man could see that as good as Rhodes is, he can't play up front on his own. We also surely do not need to play 2 defensive midfielders in the same team when we are at home. These continual mistakes in my opinion could cost us a play off spot. With this squad of players, that is poor management I am afraid. We have a very good young team put together by GB but he must play them to the teams strengths and stop playing safe. Particularly at home. I don't like to slate the manager but I think if we had a Malky Mackay in charge of exactly the same squad we would be top of the league or certainly a lot closer than we are today. I really hope GB proves me wrong though.
Funny you mention Malky, There were a number of callers to TalkSport last night saying that Makay was not going to be missed at Cardiff because his football was dull and negative, they were far more upset about the club colours changing from blue to red.

West Ham fans are also increasingly grumbling that Big Sam has run out of ideas, and struggling to make his system work without Carroll !

Be careful what you wish for.
I suggest you watch at 5.30 today just to see how many people are protesting at the treatment Malky has received from the owner. I think you will find he was very popular. My point is that Malky is a winner and whilst I think GB has done a good job I just have my doubts as to if he has the winning attitude to take them up. At the minute there has been to many negative moves in a game rather than positive. I hope going forward GB gets it right as what I wish for is him to succeed. I didn't wish for anything else, you may want to consider that before you put words in my mouth.
Sorry Forever, point taken, I wasn't being confrontational there, just noting something I picked up on the radio, it surprised me too. I think I've just read too many posts from those who think a change of manager fixes everything, yours is not one of them!
Although I still say GB needs more time it's frustrating that he seems more concerned about losing than taking the game by the scruff of the neck and going all out for the win. It's been a pattern for a while now and has cost us points in some games.
I hope he can find the confidence, in himself and the team, to really have a go at these teams that (with our squad ) we really should be beating at home.
We still need some proper support for Rhodes, a combative midfield general and to play people in their proper positions ( Cairney) to progress.
I'm still prepared to give Bowyer more time though as I would have taken a top half finish before the start of the season after the turmoil of the last couple of years.
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forever blue and white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forever blue and white[/bold] wrote: I firmly believe that with the squad we have we should be in the top 3 or 4 easily. I agree with most of the posters that GB has done an excellent job at stopping the turmoil and steadying the ship. However, it is performances like the one against Sheffield Wed that will continually let us down. I don't mean team performance I mean the managers performance. I suspect I blind man could see that as good as Rhodes is, he can't play up front on his own. We also surely do not need to play 2 defensive midfielders in the same team when we are at home. These continual mistakes in my opinion could cost us a play off spot. With this squad of players, that is poor management I am afraid. We have a very good young team put together by GB but he must play them to the teams strengths and stop playing safe. Particularly at home. I don't like to slate the manager but I think if we had a Malky Mackay in charge of exactly the same squad we would be top of the league or certainly a lot closer than we are today. I really hope GB proves me wrong though.[/p][/quote]Funny you mention Malky, There were a number of callers to TalkSport last night saying that Makay was not going to be missed at Cardiff because his football was dull and negative, they were far more upset about the club colours changing from blue to red. West Ham fans are also increasingly grumbling that Big Sam has run out of ideas, and struggling to make his system work without Carroll ! Be careful what you wish for.[/p][/quote]I suggest you watch at 5.30 today just to see how many people are protesting at the treatment Malky has received from the owner. I think you will find he was very popular. My point is that Malky is a winner and whilst I think GB has done a good job I just have my doubts as to if he has the winning attitude to take them up. At the minute there has been to many negative moves in a game rather than positive. I hope going forward GB gets it right as what I wish for is him to succeed. I didn't wish for anything else, you may want to consider that before you put words in my mouth.[/p][/quote]Sorry Forever, point taken, I wasn't being confrontational there, just noting something I picked up on the radio, it surprised me too. I think I've just read too many posts from those who think a change of manager fixes everything, yours is not one of them![/p][/quote]Although I still say GB needs more time it's frustrating that he seems more concerned about losing than taking the game by the scruff of the neck and going all out for the win. It's been a pattern for a while now and has cost us points in some games. I hope he can find the confidence, in himself and the team, to really have a go at these teams that (with our squad ) we really should be beating at home. We still need some proper support for Rhodes, a combative midfield general and to play people in their proper positions ( Cairney) to progress. I'm still prepared to give Bowyer more time though as I would have taken a top half finish before the start of the season after the turmoil of the last couple of years. Harwoodstblue

11:19am Sat 28 Dec 13

BRFC75 says...

Wild Rover wrote:
BRFC75 wrote:
Wild Rover wrote:
Well I agree with GB
The booing was unacceptable and unhelpful, this is a young team and as supporters we should be cheering them on.
The Wednesday supporters showed us how it should be done, they lifted their team..
As I said we wont win every game but it needs a team effort from all of us to make sure we are there at the end of the season, manager, players and supporters in the play offs
Come on TEAM GB
WiILD ROVERS , THINK WE CAN SEE NOW THAT YOU ARE DEFINATELY ON VENKYS PAYROLL.
WHERE YOU FROM WILD ROVER ,LET ME GUESS,

CHELTENHAM SCHOOL FOR YOUNG LADIES ?
Well, if it were so I would at least have learnt my grammar, unlike you
Obviously the School for Bipolar Stalkers is not big on English grammar
However if you wish to discuss futher regarding my loyalties come and see me on Sunday in the Craven Heifer, Darwen.12.30 onwards
Happy to chat...
Thanks for the invitation , see you soon , Mano el Mano.
[quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BRFC75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: Well I agree with GB The booing was unacceptable and unhelpful, this is a young team and as supporters we should be cheering them on. The Wednesday supporters showed us how it should be done, they lifted their team.. As I said we wont win every game but it needs a team effort from all of us to make sure we are there at the end of the season, manager, players and supporters in the play offs Come on TEAM GB[/p][/quote]WiILD ROVERS , THINK WE CAN SEE NOW THAT YOU ARE DEFINATELY ON VENKYS PAYROLL. WHERE YOU FROM WILD ROVER ,LET ME GUESS, CHELTENHAM SCHOOL FOR YOUNG LADIES ?[/p][/quote]Well, if it were so I would at least have learnt my grammar, unlike you Obviously the School for Bipolar Stalkers is not big on English grammar However if you wish to discuss futher regarding my loyalties come and see me on Sunday in the Craven Heifer, Darwen.12.30 onwards Happy to chat...[/p][/quote]Thanks for the invitation , see you soon , Mano el Mano. BRFC75

11:47am Sat 28 Dec 13

Is Eckersley playing? says...

Kean out wrote:
Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
happiness wrote:
Just read what Bowyer said. The thing was, unlike Reading and Huddersfield who came for a draw and got it by putting ten behind the ball, Wednesday didn't do this. They were trying to win as much as we were. Everytime we had a corner, they had someone in the centre circle in case they won the ball, which they always did. Whereas, everytime they had one, we had our entire team in our own box and every time we won the ball, which we did, we kept punting it up to nobody and it kept coming back. Also, Gestede (Modeste in disguise) played in midfield and wouldn't run for the ball or chase back and the fans were getting on his back. Rovers fans over the decades have never liked lazy players and I think he will be sent back to Cardiff reserves in a couple of weeks. Bowyer is right saying the fans need to look at where we were this time last season but now that we have more stability, we have a good chance to make the play-offs but every home game there are hardly ever any chances created and there is never any goalmouth action. Every home game is the same. The atmosphere is totally dead because all we do week-in-week-out is punt long balls up to Rhodes on his own and it never works. It's so boring. Even people who sit near us who didn't like Allardyce keep saying sarcastically, bring him back all is forgiven. Boring but successful tactics in the Prem have now been relpaced by boring, unsuccessful ones in a division where there is no quality from top to bottom. That's why the poor teams with good managers are doing well. Bowyer needs to play every home game with 2 up front and attack teams. It's the only chance we have of a top 6 place. That's why the fans are getting fed up. The worrying thing is, he wont accept it. Sunday's score prediction - a late goal saves us a crap point against another crap team in another crap boring one up front on his own game, for a 1-1 draw. There, that's all the positives out of the way...!!!
Tell me. Why do you bother going? It isn't compulsory, y'know!
Tell me. Why do you bother posting on here? It isn't compulsory, y'know!
Because,having supported the club for over 60 years I feel I am entitled to an opinion, right or wrong, as you are. It is simply that whilst the present owners are in post, all talk of different managers, players, tactics etc etc etc is simply moving the deck chairs around. The elephants in the room are the Venkys. Have you all forgotten? Or haven't you noticed?.
[quote][p][bold]Kean out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]happiness[/bold] wrote: Just read what Bowyer said. The thing was, unlike Reading and Huddersfield who came for a draw and got it by putting ten behind the ball, Wednesday didn't do this. They were trying to win as much as we were. Everytime we had a corner, they had someone in the centre circle in case they won the ball, which they always did. Whereas, everytime they had one, we had our entire team in our own box and every time we won the ball, which we did, we kept punting it up to nobody and it kept coming back. Also, Gestede (Modeste in disguise) played in midfield and wouldn't run for the ball or chase back and the fans were getting on his back. Rovers fans over the decades have never liked lazy players and I think he will be sent back to Cardiff reserves in a couple of weeks. Bowyer is right saying the fans need to look at where we were this time last season but now that we have more stability, we have a good chance to make the play-offs but every home game there are hardly ever any chances created and there is never any goalmouth action. Every home game is the same. The atmosphere is totally dead because all we do week-in-week-out is punt long balls up to Rhodes on his own and it never works. It's so boring. Even people who sit near us who didn't like Allardyce keep saying sarcastically, bring him back all is forgiven. Boring but successful tactics in the Prem have now been relpaced by boring, unsuccessful ones in a division where there is no quality from top to bottom. That's why the poor teams with good managers are doing well. Bowyer needs to play every home game with 2 up front and attack teams. It's the only chance we have of a top 6 place. That's why the fans are getting fed up. The worrying thing is, he wont accept it. Sunday's score prediction - a late goal saves us a crap point against another crap team in another crap boring one up front on his own game, for a 1-1 draw. There, that's all the positives out of the way...!!![/p][/quote]Tell me. Why do you bother going? It isn't compulsory, y'know![/p][/quote]Tell me. Why do you bother posting on here? It isn't compulsory, y'know![/p][/quote]Because,having supported the club for over 60 years I feel I am entitled to an opinion, right or wrong, as you are. It is simply that whilst the present owners are in post, all talk of different managers, players, tactics etc etc etc is simply moving the deck chairs around. The elephants in the room are the Venkys. Have you all forgotten? Or haven't you noticed?. Is Eckersley playing?

12:52pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Wild Rover says...

BRFC75 wrote:
Wild Rover wrote:
BRFC75 wrote:
Wild Rover wrote:
Well I agree with GB
The booing was unacceptable and unhelpful, this is a young team and as supporters we should be cheering them on.
The Wednesday supporters showed us how it should be done, they lifted their team..
As I said we wont win every game but it needs a team effort from all of us to make sure we are there at the end of the season, manager, players and supporters in the play offs
Come on TEAM GB
WiILD ROVERS , THINK WE CAN SEE NOW THAT YOU ARE DEFINATELY ON VENKYS PAYROLL.
WHERE YOU FROM WILD ROVER ,LET ME GUESS,

CHELTENHAM SCHOOL FOR YOUNG LADIES ?
Well, if it were so I would at least have learnt my grammar, unlike you
Obviously the School for Bipolar Stalkers is not big on English grammar
However if you wish to discuss futher regarding my loyalties come and see me on Sunday in the Craven Heifer, Darwen.12.30 onwards
Happy to chat...
Thanks for the invitation , see you soon , Mano el Mano.
Just head to the Pool table and ask for the Wild Rover, I will know who you are then
Looking forward to it
[quote][p][bold]BRFC75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BRFC75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: Well I agree with GB The booing was unacceptable and unhelpful, this is a young team and as supporters we should be cheering them on. The Wednesday supporters showed us how it should be done, they lifted their team.. As I said we wont win every game but it needs a team effort from all of us to make sure we are there at the end of the season, manager, players and supporters in the play offs Come on TEAM GB[/p][/quote]WiILD ROVERS , THINK WE CAN SEE NOW THAT YOU ARE DEFINATELY ON VENKYS PAYROLL. WHERE YOU FROM WILD ROVER ,LET ME GUESS, CHELTENHAM SCHOOL FOR YOUNG LADIES ?[/p][/quote]Well, if it were so I would at least have learnt my grammar, unlike you Obviously the School for Bipolar Stalkers is not big on English grammar However if you wish to discuss futher regarding my loyalties come and see me on Sunday in the Craven Heifer, Darwen.12.30 onwards Happy to chat...[/p][/quote]Thanks for the invitation , see you soon , Mano el Mano.[/p][/quote]Just head to the Pool table and ask for the Wild Rover, I will know who you are then Looking forward to it Wild Rover

1:26pm Sat 28 Dec 13

RobH2O says...

Oooh, I do like this! Two inbreds vying for the title of bigger inbred.
Oooh, I do like this! Two inbreds vying for the title of bigger inbred. RobH2O

3:28pm Sat 28 Dec 13

flowersorseaman? says...

Wild Rover wrote:
flowersorseaman? wrote:
MxMave wrote:
“We created some good chances – not enough chances – but we just weren’t ruthless enough in front of goal."

I'm sure that's just a cut and paste job lifted from every single post match article this season.
You dont win promotion on stats like "we got 3 clean sheets this month" unless your scoring a couple of goals each game.
Next game, START with 5 in midfield, ensure one is ruben or dunny. Start king. If were not winning at 65 start throwing strikers on in place of cdm's and defenders. Its pretty much a default strategy for most managers.
Hear, hear!

Spot on, not rocket science this management lark. Our best performances this year have come from 451, and as long as that 5 includes Dunny or Rochina then Rhodes will get the ball in front of him. King has to start but on the right. Job done, now someone please tell GB and let's go get some points.
Well one of you best get your name down for manager then. Obviously these football pro's don't have clue
Same armchair managers that moan when we concede goals moan when we don't!
What will you say if he plays Rochina and he gives the ball away again in midfield leading to goals against? The lad has obviously not learnt anything or he would be in the side
GB sees these lads all week long in training, he knows who is delivering and who is not
And finally you guys were saying we had no chance with GB in charge right from the off and that we were tied on for relegation with him charge?
Don't look that way to me
We might not get promoted this time round? And so what? It would be a miraculous turn round if we did
Give the guy a chance
I wouldn't quite say armchair like some posters, I do go to the games. I actually don't disagree, I'd be upset if GB was replaced it'd be a terrible decision. He inherited a side in turmoil, low on confidence and has for the most turned it around, great spirit, work ethic etc., he's got defense and midfield organised and stopped shipping goals, so pretty much thumbs up all the way. I just feel that he gets one player wrong, either in selection or where he deploys him, which seems to be the general consensus too. Again mindful about not losing as opposed to winning. If we go away from home playing 4411 create 18 chances and win, why change formation. Rochina is a shoe in for Dunny and keep the same formation and get some consistency in our style. That's something I think we've lacked mainly due to injuries but that part an parcel. I still recall the opening game of the season where Rochina bossed it for 35 mins, surely it's worth letting him do his thing especially at home in a role where his lack of defensive mindset might not just hurt us. Hey I remember the goal he gifted Peterborough last season and that is a concern but he really shouldn't be operating in our half. Oh and I've backed GB ever since his caretaker days, always had the team playing for him, that hasn't changed.
[quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flowersorseaman?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MxMave[/bold] wrote: “We created some good chances – not enough chances – but we just weren’t ruthless enough in front of goal." I'm sure that's just a cut and paste job lifted from every single post match article this season. You dont win promotion on stats like "we got 3 clean sheets this month" unless your scoring a couple of goals each game. Next game, START with 5 in midfield, ensure one is ruben or dunny. Start king. If were not winning at 65 start throwing strikers on in place of cdm's and defenders. Its pretty much a default strategy for most managers.[/p][/quote]Hear, hear! Spot on, not rocket science this management lark. Our best performances this year have come from 451, and as long as that 5 includes Dunny or Rochina then Rhodes will get the ball in front of him. King has to start but on the right. Job done, now someone please tell GB and let's go get some points.[/p][/quote]Well one of you best get your name down for manager then. Obviously these football pro's don't have clue Same armchair managers that moan when we concede goals moan when we don't! What will you say if he plays Rochina and he gives the ball away again in midfield leading to goals against? The lad has obviously not learnt anything or he would be in the side GB sees these lads all week long in training, he knows who is delivering and who is not And finally you guys were saying we had no chance with GB in charge right from the off and that we were tied on for relegation with him charge? Don't look that way to me We might not get promoted this time round? And so what? It would be a miraculous turn round if we did Give the guy a chance[/p][/quote]I wouldn't quite say armchair like some posters, I do go to the games. I actually don't disagree, I'd be upset if GB was replaced it'd be a terrible decision. He inherited a side in turmoil, low on confidence and has for the most turned it around, great spirit, work ethic etc., he's got defense and midfield organised and stopped shipping goals, so pretty much thumbs up all the way. I just feel that he gets one player wrong, either in selection or where he deploys him, which seems to be the general consensus too. Again mindful about not losing as opposed to winning. If we go away from home playing 4411 create 18 chances and win, why change formation. Rochina is a shoe in for Dunny and keep the same formation and get some consistency in our style. That's something I think we've lacked mainly due to injuries but that part an parcel. I still recall the opening game of the season where Rochina bossed it for 35 mins, surely it's worth letting him do his thing especially at home in a role where his lack of defensive mindset might not just hurt us. Hey I remember the goal he gifted Peterborough last season and that is a concern but he really shouldn't be operating in our half. Oh and I've backed GB ever since his caretaker days, always had the team playing for him, that hasn't changed. flowersorseaman?

5:32pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Angry From Accrington says...

rom Accrington says...

We are right to expect to win and we have the right to feel disappointed we don't. We don't, however, have the right to win and probably more often than not, we won't. GB is still learning his trade but he needs to learn fast.
Clearly he has been let down buy the likes of Best, Campbell, Etuhu and others so he must focus on those players he can rely on and mould them. The absolute priority is a second striker alongside Rhodes. For me, that player is Rochina. The defence is improving and whilst I prefer Kane to Henley I understand the need to not be over reliant on loan players. Dann is still suspect but Hanley is growing to compensate. We need to play King regularly. He is our best wide player. Cairney is also a must but GB then has the challenge of selecting his least mediocre midfielders.
I can understand, but not condone the booing. Proper supporters are not perfect but certainly preferential to the ones who can only whinge from a distance and shout insults in BLOCK CAPITALS.
Tomorrow will be another tough one but we can do our part by getting and staying behind the team
rom Accrington says... We are right to expect to win and we have the right to feel disappointed we don't. We don't, however, have the right to win and probably more often than not, we won't. GB is still learning his trade but he needs to learn fast. Clearly he has been let down buy the likes of Best, Campbell, Etuhu and others so he must focus on those players he can rely on and mould them. The absolute priority is a second striker alongside Rhodes. For me, that player is Rochina. The defence is improving and whilst I prefer Kane to Henley I understand the need to not be over reliant on loan players. Dann is still suspect but Hanley is growing to compensate. We need to play King regularly. He is our best wide player. Cairney is also a must but GB then has the challenge of selecting his least mediocre midfielders. I can understand, but not condone the booing. Proper supporters are not perfect but certainly preferential to the ones who can only whinge from a distance and shout insults in BLOCK CAPITALS. Tomorrow will be another tough one but we can do our part by getting and staying behind the team Angry From Accrington

6:32pm Sat 28 Dec 13

owd nick says...

greenscreener wrote:
Captain Dreckley wrote:
GB needs to realise that the boos are pure frustration because we know this squad is capable of so much more and one major factor holding the team back on the park are his tactics. GB works on the principle of getting ahead then closing the game down and claiming 3 points, he is obviously a fan of George Graham at Arsenal. But this is the championship and we dont have that Arsenal squad so it ain't gonna work. G B has done a lot of good and brought much needed credibility back to the club and has demonstrated that a Rovers manager can last longer than an English ashes batsman. He has also kept Shebby away and I worry that if venkys hear the boos it may bring the return of the snake like one and the chaos he brings. GB is a coach and lacks a managers tactical understanding and that is his weakness. None of us want to see a repeat of last years manager fiasco where GB was a modern day Tony Parks (interestingly Tony never took the job permanently) so maybe an option to support GB is to bring in a mentor to support him around tactics in training and during games until the end of the season. Plenty of managers with bags of experience out there who have done it at this level, a certain Mr Souness comes to mind
Excellent points there Captain, and I think the stability that we were screaming for last season has been the priority item on GBs list for this first half of the season.

Personally I believe that GB has been around pro football to understand more about football tactics and strategy than most of us, and to bring some stability on the field he has shored up the defence with a more solid midfield and has made substitutions with an eye to pragmatism rather than adventure. With hindsight, had we won a couple of our draws but lost the others he would have been crucified by now. As a fan it's not what I want to watch but in his position, early in the process of building a young team and trying to rebuild the club, maybe it's understandable.

I will reserve my judgement on the half season until after Sunday but I think that being where we are now is something I would have taken back in August. GB can meet the owners in Jan and tell them he has delivered massive improvement, something the bullshitter Kean never could.

With support of the owners, and the fans, GB can then look to push on in the second half of the season and I hope have the confidence to make the bolder decisions we want from him.
Two excellent posts.

I have pointed out on another thread that as far back as I can remember, 44 years as a paying Rovers fan, nearly every time we have draw or lost a game at home the has been booing of varying volumes.

99% of the time it's simply disappointment and frustration, nothing more.

And anyone who watches football knows it happens at every club, great or small, it isn't unique to Rovers.

GB is doing fine by me, lets not forget what Mark Hughes did when he first took over, he stopped us leaking goals for fun, which we have done far too often.

He shows his inexperience sometimes, especially in this particular game and I suspect that there were at least 16,000 better managers in the stands, myself included, who could have done a better job on the day. :-) I was furious when he took off Gestede and brought on Williamson.

Lets see where we are at the end of the year and then take each game as it comes.
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Dreckley[/bold] wrote: GB needs to realise that the boos are pure frustration because we know this squad is capable of so much more and one major factor holding the team back on the park are his tactics. GB works on the principle of getting ahead then closing the game down and claiming 3 points, he is obviously a fan of George Graham at Arsenal. But this is the championship and we dont have that Arsenal squad so it ain't gonna work. G B has done a lot of good and brought much needed credibility back to the club and has demonstrated that a Rovers manager can last longer than an English ashes batsman. He has also kept Shebby away and I worry that if venkys hear the boos it may bring the return of the snake like one and the chaos he brings. GB is a coach and lacks a managers tactical understanding and that is his weakness. None of us want to see a repeat of last years manager fiasco where GB was a modern day Tony Parks (interestingly Tony never took the job permanently) so maybe an option to support GB is to bring in a mentor to support him around tactics in training and during games until the end of the season. Plenty of managers with bags of experience out there who have done it at this level, a certain Mr Souness comes to mind[/p][/quote]Excellent points there Captain, and I think the stability that we were screaming for last season has been the priority item on GBs list for this first half of the season. Personally I believe that GB has been around pro football to understand more about football tactics and strategy than most of us, and to bring some stability on the field he has shored up the defence with a more solid midfield and has made substitutions with an eye to pragmatism rather than adventure. With hindsight, had we won a couple of our draws but lost the others he would have been crucified by now. As a fan it's not what I want to watch but in his position, early in the process of building a young team and trying to rebuild the club, maybe it's understandable. I will reserve my judgement on the half season until after Sunday but I think that being where we are now is something I would have taken back in August. GB can meet the owners in Jan and tell them he has delivered massive improvement, something the bullshitter Kean never could. With support of the owners, and the fans, GB can then look to push on in the second half of the season and I hope have the confidence to make the bolder decisions we want from him.[/p][/quote]Two excellent posts. I have pointed out on another thread that as far back as I can remember, 44 years as a paying Rovers fan, nearly every time we have draw or lost a game at home the has been booing of varying volumes. 99% of the time it's simply disappointment and frustration, nothing more. And anyone who watches football knows it happens at every club, great or small, it isn't unique to Rovers. GB is doing fine by me, lets not forget what Mark Hughes did when he first took over, he stopped us leaking goals for fun, which we have done far too often. He shows his inexperience sometimes, especially in this particular game and I suspect that there were at least 16,000 better managers in the stands, myself included, who could have done a better job on the day. :-) I was furious when he took off Gestede and brought on Williamson. Lets see where we are at the end of the year and then take each game as it comes. owd nick

7:44pm Sat 28 Dec 13

kazluvsrovers says...

Roverthere wrote:
what boos? I never heard any at the Darwen End?
I sit in the Blackburn end next to the Riverside and I didn't hear any either.
Where is the booing coming from, its probably the dug out. ha ha!!
[quote][p][bold]Roverthere[/bold] wrote: what boos? I never heard any at the Darwen End?[/p][/quote]I sit in the Blackburn end next to the Riverside and I didn't hear any either. Where is the booing coming from, its probably the dug out. ha ha!! kazluvsrovers

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