Blackburn Rovers boss has no regrets over departures

11:30am Saturday 2nd February 2013 in Football Photograph of the Author By Andy Cryer, Blackburn Rovers reporter

MICHAEL Appleton insists he has no regrets about allowing an Ewood Park transfer deadline day exodus – after insisting he only wants players desperate to be at Blackburn Rovers.

Sections of Rovers supporters have raised their eyebrows at the decision to allow fans’ favourite Ruben Rochina leave for Real Zaragoza on loan – especially after the club failed to secure their own targets – but Appleton insists he would make the same decision again.

Ahead of this afternoon’s Championship visit of Bristol City, Rochina was joined out of the exit door by Simon Vukcevic, Diogo Rosado and Jordan Slew, with no players coming the other way.

The Rovers boss revealed he had already picked his side for this afternoon’s clash before the last few hours of deadline day drama, in which Rochina didn’t feature.

He said: “I would most definitely have still let the others go. We have more than enough players for tomorrow’s game. I always knew the window would reopen next Thursday, you are only talking about one game.

“It was only Ruben who would have featured anyway and I had picked the team and he would have been on the substitutes bench. The players knew that and maybe that played a part of his decision.

“Did I expect to lose Ruben Rochina at the start of yesterday morning? Probably not. But the decision behind that was he didn’t want to be at the football club and wanted to leave. Obviously that is his choice, I am a little bit disappointed but we are not in a position to keep players at the football cub who don’t want to put the Blackburn shirt on.

“It is important we get back to having players who want to be here. This is a great football club with a great tradition. I want players to come to this club who want to be at this club.

“I have made that message very, very clear to the players. They are aware of what has happened to Ruben over night and I have made it very, very clear if there is anyone else who feels the same, they know where my room is.

“I am sure, I would be amazed if there is not every single Blackburn Rovers fan out there thinking exactly the same.”

While Rovers waved goodbye to several of their squad on Thursday, potential departees Paul Robinson and Gael Givet remain at the club.

A move to West Ham for Robinson broke down, while Givet – who has made clear his desire to leave – had a shortage of realistic suitors.

Appleton said: “Me and Paul have obviously had conversations but not at one time has he said he doesn’t want to play for the football club.

“I’m not saying he is not going to leave the club at some point or he is not going to play. It is important we have a dialogue so I know where he is at.

“I don’t know what will happen.

“Until he is fit and training, I can’t give you a clarification.

“With Gael, It is two fold. Whether someone wants to be at the club or not, ultimately if there is an opportunity for a lad to leave the club, he has to actually really want to leave and you need to find a club that wants to take him.

“And if there is not a football club that wants to take him then there is no point chasing the issue or trying to drum up some interest that is not there. Until we hear differently, Gael is a Blackburn player.”

Bradley Orr returns to the Rovers’ squad for this afternoon’s visit of his former club, but Appleton is yet to decide on the future of Chelsea loanee Todd Kane.

“I have not made my mind up on Todd,” he said. “A lot will depend on what happens next Thursday. I have to get the balance right in the squad. I don’t want a stupid number of people in the building, which is what I had last week in terms of too many bodies.

“It becomes a vicious circle if you have too many bodies. Some managers like having bodies around them, some like working with small groups because you have that competitive side to it.

“I just like working with quality players. If I have 21 or 22 quality players fighting like cats and dogs trying to get in the starting 11 then that is when I am most happy.”

Comments (52)

11:37am Sat 2 Feb 13

upholland rover says...

Mr Cryer----- Rochina afans favouriteA? Not a favourite of anyone who understands football. He has consistently flattered to totally deceive and now we learn he didn't want to be here . Precisely why we have struggled.
Mr Cryer----- Rochina afans favouriteA? Not a favourite of anyone who understands football. He has consistently flattered to totally deceive and now we learn he didn't want to be here . Precisely why we have struggled. upholland rover

11:37am Sat 2 Feb 13

upholland rover says...

Mr Cryer----- Rochina afans favouriteA? Not a favourite of anyone who understands football. He has consistently flattered to totally deceive and now we learn he didn't want to be here . Precisely why we have struggled.
Mr Cryer----- Rochina afans favouriteA? Not a favourite of anyone who understands football. He has consistently flattered to totally deceive and now we learn he didn't want to be here . Precisely why we have struggled. upholland rover

11:39am Sat 2 Feb 13

dallydally says...

Refreshing stuff.
Refreshing stuff. dallydally

11:45am Sat 2 Feb 13

crankitup says...

YAWN!...blah blah blah, one line in the above statement sticks in my throat..." I always knew the window would reopen next Thursday," and that's it in a nut shell....no INTENT to buy, just to build the hopes of the fans and then at the 11th hour pull the rug from under our feet, then hopefully bring in someone on loan....i had big hopes for appy, he made all the right noises, but the more B*lls*it that come out of Ewood the more i can see puppet strings...
YAWN!...blah blah blah, one line in the above statement sticks in my throat..." I always knew the window would reopen next Thursday," and that's it in a nut shell....no INTENT to buy, just to build the hopes of the fans and then at the 11th hour pull the rug from under our feet, then hopefully bring in someone on loan....i had big hopes for appy, he made all the right noises, but the more B*lls*it that come out of Ewood the more i can see puppet strings... crankitup

11:57am Sat 2 Feb 13

fishcake 75 says...

Mr appleton talks a lot of sense,however i implore him to think again regarding givet and robinson,givet is the best defender at the club by a mile work on him to get him back on board, i am not convinced tha jake kean is ready yet,get your new fitness coach to work o robbo hes a couple of stone overweight, if the situation is the same at the end of the season get rid then ,we dont have enough good players to ignore these two,our priority during the loan window should be to get a center half and a grafter in midfield,not two forwards, please listen to the fans
Mr appleton talks a lot of sense,however i implore him to think again regarding givet and robinson,givet is the best defender at the club by a mile work on him to get him back on board, i am not convinced tha jake kean is ready yet,get your new fitness coach to work o robbo hes a couple of stone overweight, if the situation is the same at the end of the season get rid then ,we dont have enough good players to ignore these two,our priority during the loan window should be to get a center half and a grafter in midfield,not two forwards, please listen to the fans fishcake 75

11:58am Sat 2 Feb 13

alfa111 says...

Given the fact that M,appleton said himself publicly in the press that after two weeks in charge of rovers, Venkys had still not been in touch with him on his plans for rovers and transfers in the jan window i believe this is true and the reason why we were slow on the day the jan window opened ,Venkys yet again slack and indecisive which is why we are in this sad position but 100% behind Mr Aplleton,venkys i hope wont turn the fella in to a Mr Simpleton. Remember RAO what ever it takes to get BRFC back in the P/L.Say what you mean ,mean what you say.
Given the fact that M,appleton said himself publicly in the press that after two weeks in charge of rovers, Venkys had still not been in touch with him on his plans for rovers and transfers in the jan window i believe this is true and the reason why we were slow on the day the jan window opened ,Venkys yet again slack and indecisive which is why we are in this sad position but 100% behind Mr Aplleton,venkys i hope wont turn the fella in to a Mr Simpleton. Remember RAO what ever it takes to get BRFC back in the P/L.Say what you mean ,mean what you say. alfa111

12:00pm Sat 2 Feb 13

stephenrover says...

Surely it's a managers job to motivate the most talented players, not to simply say "oh if you're not that keen then leave". Rochina is our second best player. It shows a horrible lack of ambition to give up on his motivation (unsurprising that he's unmotivated given the farce that is our management) and replace him with average players who, unsurprisingly, are more happy to play for us.
Surely it's a managers job to motivate the most talented players, not to simply say "oh if you're not that keen then leave". Rochina is our second best player. It shows a horrible lack of ambition to give up on his motivation (unsurprising that he's unmotivated given the farce that is our management) and replace him with average players who, unsurprisingly, are more happy to play for us. stephenrover

12:06pm Sat 2 Feb 13

RTID says...

I don't know who will supply Rhodes now. We have a serious lack of creativity. Ruben is class. He has been CONSISTENTLY GOOD this season. I have watched most of our games. A lot of the people commenting are judging him on last season. It is the same people who don't realise how well Scott Dann and Grant Hanley have played this season. Givet is not in the team for a reason! Anyway, I worry today that we will not be able to keep the ball and supply Rhodes. Funny thing is, is that I think David Dunn might just surprise a few with a good end to the season. Him and Murphy kept the ball against Derby between them for 10 mins.
I don't know who will supply Rhodes now. We have a serious lack of creativity. Ruben is class. He has been CONSISTENTLY GOOD this season. I have watched most of our games. A lot of the people commenting are judging him on last season. It is the same people who don't realise how well Scott Dann and Grant Hanley have played this season. Givet is not in the team for a reason! Anyway, I worry today that we will not be able to keep the ball and supply Rhodes. Funny thing is, is that I think David Dunn might just surprise a few with a good end to the season. Him and Murphy kept the ball against Derby between them for 10 mins. RTID

12:06pm Sat 2 Feb 13

angryandy says...

crankitup wrote:
YAWN!...blah blah blah, one line in the above statement sticks in my throat..." I always knew the window would reopen next Thursday," and that's it in a nut shell....no INTENT to buy, just to build the hopes of the fans and then at the 11th hour pull the rug from under our feet, then hopefully bring in someone on loan....i had big hopes for appy, he made all the right noises, but the more B*lls*it that come out of Ewood the more i can see puppet strings...
For me it makes perfect sense for him to play the Loan Market so early in his Rovers tenure. This way he can see what we have and take stock in the summer without costing us a small fortune.
The clearout has begun and his squad of people 'who want to be here' is already starting to take shape.
Keep it up Mr Appleton. COYB.
[quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: YAWN!...blah blah blah, one line in the above statement sticks in my throat..." I always knew the window would reopen next Thursday," and that's it in a nut shell....no INTENT to buy, just to build the hopes of the fans and then at the 11th hour pull the rug from under our feet, then hopefully bring in someone on loan....i had big hopes for appy, he made all the right noises, but the more B*lls*it that come out of Ewood the more i can see puppet strings...[/p][/quote]For me it makes perfect sense for him to play the Loan Market so early in his Rovers tenure. This way he can see what we have and take stock in the summer without costing us a small fortune. The clearout has begun and his squad of people 'who want to be here' is already starting to take shape. Keep it up Mr Appleton. COYB. angryandy

12:11pm Sat 2 Feb 13

Jarrod Schulz Bearded Wonder says...

I'm one of the more usual happy clappers but this was a massive let down. No intent, how can you let vueckevic go for nothing because he says he wants to, yet Geal givet has wanted to go for 12 months and he's still here.
Four out, none in, wages down, expect another relegation battle.
I'm one of the more usual happy clappers but this was a massive let down. No intent, how can you let vueckevic go for nothing because he says he wants to, yet Geal givet has wanted to go for 12 months and he's still here. Four out, none in, wages down, expect another relegation battle. Jarrod Schulz Bearded Wonder

12:11pm Sat 2 Feb 13

Captain Dreckley says...

Appleton is right that we need to get a balanced side and the exodus of the Kean era has begun but we have a long way to go to clear out the dead wood. But getting a balanced side doesn't just mean clearing out the deadwood it means bringing in quality where we are weak. What is clear to everyone and their dog is that Rovers problems are in central midfield and defence. What do we do this window? Go for a striker and a winger. Normal service is resumed at Ewood.
Appleton is right that we need to get a balanced side and the exodus of the Kean era has begun but we have a long way to go to clear out the dead wood. But getting a balanced side doesn't just mean clearing out the deadwood it means bringing in quality where we are weak. What is clear to everyone and their dog is that Rovers problems are in central midfield and defence. What do we do this window? Go for a striker and a winger. Normal service is resumed at Ewood. Captain Dreckley

12:14pm Sat 2 Feb 13

lusorover says...

stephenrover wrote:
Surely it's a managers job to motivate the most talented players, not to simply say "oh if you're not that keen then leave". Rochina is our second best player. It shows a horrible lack of ambition to give up on his motivation (unsurprising that he's unmotivated given the farce that is our management) and replace him with average players who, unsurprisingly, are more happy to play for us.
Rochina second best player?

Not in my eyes. We don't need the odd bit of brilliance in the middle of the park we need grafters who can lift the team and the crowd by their never-say-die attitude and application.

What I would give to have have Robbie Savage back at his best.
[quote][p][bold]stephenrover[/bold] wrote: Surely it's a managers job to motivate the most talented players, not to simply say "oh if you're not that keen then leave". Rochina is our second best player. It shows a horrible lack of ambition to give up on his motivation (unsurprising that he's unmotivated given the farce that is our management) and replace him with average players who, unsurprisingly, are more happy to play for us.[/p][/quote]Rochina second best player? Not in my eyes. We don't need the odd bit of brilliance in the middle of the park we need grafters who can lift the team and the crowd by their never-say-die attitude and application. What I would give to have have Robbie Savage back at his best. lusorover

12:14pm Sat 2 Feb 13

angryandy says...

stephenrover wrote:
Surely it's a managers job to motivate the most talented players, not to simply say "oh if you're not that keen then leave". Rochina is our second best player. It shows a horrible lack of ambition to give up on his motivation (unsurprising that he's unmotivated given the farce that is our management) and replace him with average players who, unsurprisingly, are more happy to play for us.
I understand that it is only a loan deal. Rochina does 'flatter to decieve'. Yes he's obviously very skillful but his decision making is not his forte atm. Very frustrating player for me and inconsistent with no end product 90% of the time apart from the odd shot on target and gifting the ball in dangerous positions. Great decision and if he improves while away we can reintroduce him in the summer.
[quote][p][bold]stephenrover[/bold] wrote: Surely it's a managers job to motivate the most talented players, not to simply say "oh if you're not that keen then leave". Rochina is our second best player. It shows a horrible lack of ambition to give up on his motivation (unsurprising that he's unmotivated given the farce that is our management) and replace him with average players who, unsurprisingly, are more happy to play for us.[/p][/quote]I understand that it is only a loan deal. Rochina does 'flatter to decieve'. Yes he's obviously very skillful but his decision making is not his forte atm. Very frustrating player for me and inconsistent with no end product 90% of the time apart from the odd shot on target and gifting the ball in dangerous positions. Great decision and if he improves while away we can reintroduce him in the summer. angryandy

12:21pm Sat 2 Feb 13

PersianRover says...

Thanks for letting our most creative players leave!!!

Lets rely on Lowe and Murphy to supply the strength, creativity and power. The players who were allowed to go compensated their lack of strength with passing and technical ability, they were let down by other players in the team who were stronger but could not keep the ball so it meant everyone constantly had to chase back, and eventually who will concede.

If Barca, has Lowe and Murhpy as their holding players, with players like Orr etc behind them, their 3 attacking mid fielders would not function correctly either .

If you dont player them, of course they will want to go!!!

If you are telling me Barca style of play is not suitable for championship, you are having laugh!!!!

Damage is done now. Samba, Hoilett, Fomica, Rochina... most of the players that were instrumental in us beating Arsenal and Man UTD last seaons are out. I still feel if Kean didnt take off our creative players last season when we were leading where we then ended up losing points because we kept dropping deep because we could pass the ball and keep it, we would have stayed up. Now we have to play these so called stronger players who are unable to retain the ball from the start.
Thanks for letting our most creative players leave!!! Lets rely on Lowe and Murphy to supply the strength, creativity and power. The players who were allowed to go compensated their lack of strength with passing and technical ability, they were let down by other players in the team who were stronger but could not keep the ball so it meant everyone constantly had to chase back, and eventually who will concede. If Barca, has Lowe and Murhpy as their holding players, with players like Orr etc behind them, their 3 attacking mid fielders would not function correctly either . If you dont player them, of course they will want to go!!! If you are telling me Barca style of play is not suitable for championship, you are having laugh!!!! Damage is done now. Samba, Hoilett, Fomica, Rochina... most of the players that were instrumental in us beating Arsenal and Man UTD last seaons are out. I still feel if Kean didnt take off our creative players last season when we were leading where we then ended up losing points because we kept dropping deep because we could pass the ball and keep it, we would have stayed up. Now we have to play these so called stronger players who are unable to retain the ball from the start. PersianRover

12:29pm Sat 2 Feb 13

flowersorseaman? says...

angryandy wrote:
stephenrover wrote:
Surely it's a managers job to motivate the most talented players, not to simply say "oh if you're not that keen then leave". Rochina is our second best player. It shows a horrible lack of ambition to give up on his motivation (unsurprising that he's unmotivated given the farce that is our management) and replace him with average players who, unsurprisingly, are more happy to play for us.
I understand that it is only a loan deal. Rochina does 'flatter to decieve'. Yes he's obviously very skillful but his decision making is not his forte atm. Very frustrating player for me and inconsistent with no end product 90% of the time apart from the odd shot on target and gifting the ball in dangerous positions. Great decision and if he improves while away we can reintroduce him in the summer.
Would sooner have Ruben than hoillet, now he could run down blind alleys. That was frustration. Point being if Ruben was given better direction and helped with his game he'd be a real asset for selling on, but we'll get fa for himnow.
[quote][p][bold]angryandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stephenrover[/bold] wrote: Surely it's a managers job to motivate the most talented players, not to simply say "oh if you're not that keen then leave". Rochina is our second best player. It shows a horrible lack of ambition to give up on his motivation (unsurprising that he's unmotivated given the farce that is our management) and replace him with average players who, unsurprisingly, are more happy to play for us.[/p][/quote]I understand that it is only a loan deal. Rochina does 'flatter to decieve'. Yes he's obviously very skillful but his decision making is not his forte atm. Very frustrating player for me and inconsistent with no end product 90% of the time apart from the odd shot on target and gifting the ball in dangerous positions. Great decision and if he improves while away we can reintroduce him in the summer.[/p][/quote]Would sooner have Ruben than hoillet, now he could run down blind alleys. That was frustration. Point being if Ruben was given better direction and helped with his game he'd be a real asset for selling on, but we'll get fa for himnow. flowersorseaman?

12:31pm Sat 2 Feb 13

cboyer says...

fishcake 75 wrote:
Mr appleton talks a lot of sense,however i implore him to think again regarding givet and robinson,givet is the best defender at the club by a mile work on him to get him back on board, i am not convinced tha jake kean is ready yet,get your new fitness coach to work o robbo hes a couple of stone overweight, if the situation is the same at the end of the season get rid then ,we dont have enough good players to ignore these two,our priority during the loan window should be to get a center half and a grafter in midfield,not two forwards, please listen to the fans
robbo shouldnt have let himself get in the shape he has and for that reason kean deserves that spot more than robbo and in my opinion kean has done a good job as for givet he is a brilliant [player but we have had to many players that dont to play for us and it affects the rest of the players dann and hanley do seam to be getting betterr every week and have looked pretty solid recently
[quote][p][bold]fishcake 75[/bold] wrote: Mr appleton talks a lot of sense,however i implore him to think again regarding givet and robinson,givet is the best defender at the club by a mile work on him to get him back on board, i am not convinced tha jake kean is ready yet,get your new fitness coach to work o robbo hes a couple of stone overweight, if the situation is the same at the end of the season get rid then ,we dont have enough good players to ignore these two,our priority during the loan window should be to get a center half and a grafter in midfield,not two forwards, please listen to the fans[/p][/quote]robbo shouldnt have let himself get in the shape he has and for that reason kean deserves that spot more than robbo and in my opinion kean has done a good job as for givet he is a brilliant [player but we have had to many players that dont to play for us and it affects the rest of the players dann and hanley do seam to be getting betterr every week and have looked pretty solid recently cboyer

12:32pm Sat 2 Feb 13

steve18gls says...

upholland rover wrote:
Mr Cryer----- Rochina afans favouriteA? Not a favourite of anyone who understands football. He has consistently flattered to totally deceive and now we learn he didn't want to be here . Precisely why we have struggled.
Glad he has gone to be honest.Was quite good with the ball at times but absolutely terible in front of goal most of the time as well. I can really see why he was playing for blackburn rovers and not barcelona where we got him from. we can do much better.
[quote][p][bold]upholland rover[/bold] wrote: Mr Cryer----- Rochina afans favouriteA? Not a favourite of anyone who understands football. He has consistently flattered to totally deceive and now we learn he didn't want to be here . Precisely why we have struggled.[/p][/quote]Glad he has gone to be honest.Was quite good with the ball at times but absolutely terible in front of goal most of the time as well. I can really see why he was playing for blackburn rovers and not barcelona where we got him from. we can do much better. steve18gls

12:36pm Sat 2 Feb 13

PersianRover says...

He was a third top scorer last season, and he played far less games than others. Similar this season too.

WHY DO PEOPLE SAY HE IS BAD IN FRONT OF GOAL.
He was a third top scorer last season, and he played far less games than others. Similar this season too. WHY DO PEOPLE SAY HE IS BAD IN FRONT OF GOAL. PersianRover

12:42pm Sat 2 Feb 13

steve18gls says...

PersianRover wrote:
He was a third top scorer last season, and he played far less games than others. Similar this season too.

WHY DO PEOPLE SAY HE IS BAD IN FRONT OF GOAL.
Because he is bad. just another jason roberts, 15 shots at goal to score a goal !!
[quote][p][bold]PersianRover[/bold] wrote: He was a third top scorer last season, and he played far less games than others. Similar this season too. WHY DO PEOPLE SAY HE IS BAD IN FRONT OF GOAL.[/p][/quote]Because he is bad. just another jason roberts, 15 shots at goal to score a goal !! steve18gls

12:46pm Sat 2 Feb 13

madrover says...

Rochina average at best flashes of class and then disappears for long periods for me a poor team player and his reaction to ma telling him a few home truths says we are better off without him . Goes to show that Kean signed players with bad attitudes and poor discipline
Rochina average at best flashes of class and then disappears for long periods for me a poor team player and his reaction to ma telling him a few home truths says we are better off without him . Goes to show that Kean signed players with bad attitudes and poor discipline madrover

12:56pm Sat 2 Feb 13

PersianRover says...

steve18gls wrote:
PersianRover wrote:
He was a third top scorer last season, and he played far less games than others. Similar this season too.

WHY DO PEOPLE SAY HE IS BAD IN FRONT OF GOAL.
Because he is bad. just another jason roberts, 15 shots at goal to score a goal !!
I'd rather he shoot then pass the ball backward. He was not our third top goal scorer last season for nothing, having player far less than others. How can you compare him to Jason Roberts!!!
[quote][p][bold]steve18gls[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PersianRover[/bold] wrote: He was a third top scorer last season, and he played far less games than others. Similar this season too. WHY DO PEOPLE SAY HE IS BAD IN FRONT OF GOAL.[/p][/quote]Because he is bad. just another jason roberts, 15 shots at goal to score a goal !![/p][/quote]I'd rather he shoot then pass the ball backward. He was not our third top goal scorer last season for nothing, having player far less than others. How can you compare him to Jason Roberts!!! PersianRover

12:58pm Sat 2 Feb 13

1952 rover says...

crankitup wrote:
YAWN!...blah blah blah, one line in the above statement sticks in my throat..." I always knew the window would reopen next Thursday," and that's it in a nut shell....no INTENT to buy, just to build the hopes of the fans and then at the 11th hour pull the rug from under our feet, then hopefully bring in someone on loan....i had big hopes for appy, he made all the right noises, but the more B*lls*it that come out of Ewood the more i can see puppet strings...
Oh for God's sake give it a rest, it is getting very boring. You are staring to sound like a DINGLE!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: YAWN!...blah blah blah, one line in the above statement sticks in my throat..." I always knew the window would reopen next Thursday," and that's it in a nut shell....no INTENT to buy, just to build the hopes of the fans and then at the 11th hour pull the rug from under our feet, then hopefully bring in someone on loan....i had big hopes for appy, he made all the right noises, but the more B*lls*it that come out of Ewood the more i can see puppet strings...[/p][/quote]Oh for God's sake give it a rest, it is getting very boring. You are staring to sound like a DINGLE!!!!!!!!!! 1952 rover

1:08pm Sat 2 Feb 13

steve18gls says...

PersianRover wrote:
steve18gls wrote:
PersianRover wrote:
He was a third top scorer last season, and he played far less games than others. Similar this season too.

WHY DO PEOPLE SAY HE IS BAD IN FRONT OF GOAL.
Because he is bad. just another jason roberts, 15 shots at goal to score a goal !!
I'd rather he shoot then pass the ball backward. He was not our third top goal scorer last season for nothing, having player far less than others. How can you compare him to Jason Roberts!!!
Too many shots at goal just to score one, thats exactly like jason roberts used to be. sorry pal but i do not like what i see from him overall and yes i agree he is a skilfull player at times but he is far to inconsistant for us at the moment. i would love to see him return from his loan spell a better player but i have my doubts that he will!
[quote][p][bold]PersianRover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steve18gls[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PersianRover[/bold] wrote: He was a third top scorer last season, and he played far less games than others. Similar this season too. WHY DO PEOPLE SAY HE IS BAD IN FRONT OF GOAL.[/p][/quote]Because he is bad. just another jason roberts, 15 shots at goal to score a goal !![/p][/quote]I'd rather he shoot then pass the ball backward. He was not our third top goal scorer last season for nothing, having player far less than others. How can you compare him to Jason Roberts!!![/p][/quote]Too many shots at goal just to score one, thats exactly like jason roberts used to be. sorry pal but i do not like what i see from him overall and yes i agree he is a skilfull player at times but he is far to inconsistant for us at the moment. i would love to see him return from his loan spell a better player but i have my doubts that he will! steve18gls

1:08pm Sat 2 Feb 13

Is Eckersley playing? says...

I sometimes despair at the naivity on here even allowing for fans natural optimism. This clubs hierachy say they want us back up there. No chance. Compare and contrast the QPR owner with this shower. Now here's a man who is trying his best. Costing a fortune but doi ng his damndest. Now look at our lot. Since almost day one , with an occasional exception, absolute bloody rubbish signings of officials, managers and players . What is the point of the Pooners (or any-one else) flaunting their wealth if they are not prepared to spend it. Its not rocket science is it? If they have (allegedly) billions then surely they could do better than they have done thus far? Bloody moronic shysters either put some money in the place or sod off- preferably the latter.
I sometimes despair at the naivity on here even allowing for fans natural optimism. This clubs hierachy say they want us back up there. No chance. Compare and contrast the QPR owner with this shower. Now here's a man who is trying his best. Costing a fortune but doi ng his damndest. Now look at our lot. Since almost day one , with an occasional exception, absolute bloody rubbish signings of officials, managers and players . What is the point of the Pooners (or any-one else) flaunting their wealth if they are not prepared to spend it. Its not rocket science is it? If they have (allegedly) billions then surely they could do better than they have done thus far? Bloody moronic shysters either put some money in the place or sod off- preferably the latter. Is Eckersley playing?

1:14pm Sat 2 Feb 13

steve18gls says...

PersianRover wrote:
steve18gls wrote:
PersianRover wrote:
He was a third top scorer last season, and he played far less games than others. Similar this season too.

WHY DO PEOPLE SAY HE IS BAD IN FRONT OF GOAL.
Because he is bad. just another jason roberts, 15 shots at goal to score a goal !!
I'd rather he shoot then pass the ball backward. He was not our third top goal scorer last season for nothing, having player far less than others. How can you compare him to Jason Roberts!!!
Too many shots at goal just to score one, thats exactly like jason roberts used to be. sorry pal but i do not like what i see from him overall and yes i agree he is a skilfull player at times but he is far to inconsistant for us at the moment. i would love to see him return from his loan spell a better player but i have my doubts that he will!
[quote][p][bold]PersianRover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steve18gls[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PersianRover[/bold] wrote: He was a third top scorer last season, and he played far less games than others. Similar this season too. WHY DO PEOPLE SAY HE IS BAD IN FRONT OF GOAL.[/p][/quote]Because he is bad. just another jason roberts, 15 shots at goal to score a goal !![/p][/quote]I'd rather he shoot then pass the ball backward. He was not our third top goal scorer last season for nothing, having player far less than others. How can you compare him to Jason Roberts!!![/p][/quote]Too many shots at goal just to score one, thats exactly like jason roberts used to be. sorry pal but i do not like what i see from him overall and yes i agree he is a skilfull player at times but he is far to inconsistant for us at the moment. i would love to see him return from his loan spell a better player but i have my doubts that he will! steve18gls

1:17pm Sat 2 Feb 13

fishcake 75 says...

Captain Dreckley wrote:
Appleton is right that we need to get a balanced side and the exodus of the Kean era has begun but we have a long way to go to clear out the dead wood. But getting a balanced side doesn't just mean clearing out the deadwood it means bringing in quality where we are weak. What is clear to everyone and their dog is that Rovers problems are in central midfield and defence. What do we do this window? Go for a striker and a winger. Normal service is resumed at Ewood.
Absolutely spot on why cant they see this?
[quote][p][bold]Captain Dreckley[/bold] wrote: Appleton is right that we need to get a balanced side and the exodus of the Kean era has begun but we have a long way to go to clear out the dead wood. But getting a balanced side doesn't just mean clearing out the deadwood it means bringing in quality where we are weak. What is clear to everyone and their dog is that Rovers problems are in central midfield and defence. What do we do this window? Go for a striker and a winger. Normal service is resumed at Ewood.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on why cant they see this? fishcake 75

1:26pm Sat 2 Feb 13

owd nick says...

Its all about money with Givet, he plays when he feels like it, which isn't all that often and has been sulking since he took a pay cut following relegation.

I agree Rochina has potential but for someone to say he is consistent suggests that person hasn't been down to Ewood for a while, or they forgot to put "In" in front of consistent. Truth is Rovers have been playing with 10 men 4 games out of 5 when he has played.

Vucevic never let us down but can anyone remember him ever playing a full game?

Robbo worked his socks off for us last season but has been "missing" all of this, truth is he still thinks he is a PL player, unfortunately his body doesn't agree with him.

OK managers have to kid, cajole, cuddle and encourage players to a certain extent but when a player constantly makes it clear he wants to leave there has to be a limit to what a manager can be expected to do.

We have asked for strong management, we are getting it.

We have asked for clear communication, we are getting it.

Now I don't know about the rest of you but I have watched enough dross over the last couple of years and am fed up to the back teeth with players dictating, demanding, pretending to be injured and refusing to play.

In Appleton's position not only would I be encouraging them to go I would be paying their taxi fares.

That shirt means everything to me as a Rovers fan, I don't want any player wearing it that doesn't want to, whatever the reason.
Its all about money with Givet, he plays when he feels like it, which isn't all that often and has been sulking since he took a pay cut following relegation. I agree Rochina has potential but for someone to say he is consistent suggests that person hasn't been down to Ewood for a while, or they forgot to put "In" in front of consistent. Truth is Rovers have been playing with 10 men 4 games out of 5 when he has played. Vucevic never let us down but can anyone remember him ever playing a full game? Robbo worked his socks off for us last season but has been "missing" all of this, truth is he still thinks he is a PL player, unfortunately his body doesn't agree with him. OK managers have to kid, cajole, cuddle and encourage players to a certain extent but when a player constantly makes it clear he wants to leave there has to be a limit to what a manager can be expected to do. We have asked for strong management, we are getting it. We have asked for clear communication, we are getting it. Now I don't know about the rest of you but I have watched enough dross over the last couple of years and am fed up to the back teeth with players dictating, demanding, pretending to be injured and refusing to play. In Appleton's position not only would I be encouraging them to go I would be paying their taxi fares. That shirt means everything to me as a Rovers fan, I don't want any player wearing it that doesn't want to, whatever the reason. owd nick

1:27pm Sat 2 Feb 13

crankitup says...

1952 rover wrote:
crankitup wrote:
YAWN!...blah blah blah, one line in the above statement sticks in my throat..." I always knew the window would reopen next Thursday," and that's it in a nut shell....no INTENT to buy, just to build the hopes of the fans and then at the 11th hour pull the rug from under our feet, then hopefully bring in someone on loan....i had big hopes for appy, he made all the right noises, but the more B*lls*it that come out of Ewood the more i can see puppet strings...
Oh for God's sake give it a rest, it is getting very boring. You are staring to sound like a DINGLE!!!!!!!!!!
i have the right to have an opinion and that is my opinion....to be honest i bet you were one of those "give kean a chance crew" and look where that's got us....give me some positive news that has come out of ewood in recent weeks!....i bet you think we'll be in the play-offs....i cant see it myself
[quote][p][bold]1952 rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: YAWN!...blah blah blah, one line in the above statement sticks in my throat..." I always knew the window would reopen next Thursday," and that's it in a nut shell....no INTENT to buy, just to build the hopes of the fans and then at the 11th hour pull the rug from under our feet, then hopefully bring in someone on loan....i had big hopes for appy, he made all the right noises, but the more B*lls*it that come out of Ewood the more i can see puppet strings...[/p][/quote]Oh for God's sake give it a rest, it is getting very boring. You are staring to sound like a DINGLE!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]i have the right to have an opinion and that is my opinion....to be honest i bet you were one of those "give kean a chance crew" and look where that's got us....give me some positive news that has come out of ewood in recent weeks!....i bet you think we'll be in the play-offs....i cant see it myself crankitup

1:35pm Sat 2 Feb 13

owd nick says...

crankitup wrote:
1952 rover wrote:
crankitup wrote:
YAWN!...blah blah blah, one line in the above statement sticks in my throat..." I always knew the window would reopen next Thursday," and that's it in a nut shell....no INTENT to buy, just to build the hopes of the fans and then at the 11th hour pull the rug from under our feet, then hopefully bring in someone on loan....i had big hopes for appy, he made all the right noises, but the more B*lls*it that come out of Ewood the more i can see puppet strings...
Oh for God's sake give it a rest, it is getting very boring. You are staring to sound like a DINGLE!!!!!!!!!!
i have the right to have an opinion and that is my opinion....to be honest i bet you were one of those "give kean a chance crew" and look where that's got us....give me some positive news that has come out of ewood in recent weeks!....i bet you think we'll be in the play-offs....i cant see it myself
Will you be at Ewood at 3.00pm?

I will.

If you are there then you have a right, as a paying fan who actually supports the club through thick and thin to have a say.

If not then you simply dont have any right to criticise any longer.
[quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1952 rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: YAWN!...blah blah blah, one line in the above statement sticks in my throat..." I always knew the window would reopen next Thursday," and that's it in a nut shell....no INTENT to buy, just to build the hopes of the fans and then at the 11th hour pull the rug from under our feet, then hopefully bring in someone on loan....i had big hopes for appy, he made all the right noises, but the more B*lls*it that come out of Ewood the more i can see puppet strings...[/p][/quote]Oh for God's sake give it a rest, it is getting very boring. You are staring to sound like a DINGLE!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]i have the right to have an opinion and that is my opinion....to be honest i bet you were one of those "give kean a chance crew" and look where that's got us....give me some positive news that has come out of ewood in recent weeks!....i bet you think we'll be in the play-offs....i cant see it myself[/p][/quote]Will you be at Ewood at 3.00pm? I will. If you are there then you have a right, as a paying fan who actually supports the club through thick and thin to have a say. If not then you simply dont have any right to criticise any longer. owd nick

1:38pm Sat 2 Feb 13

French Rover says...

Captain Dreckley wrote:
Appleton is right that we need to get a balanced side and the exodus of the Kean era has begun but we have a long way to go to clear out the dead wood. But getting a balanced side doesn't just mean clearing out the deadwood it means bringing in quality where we are weak. What is clear to everyone and their dog is that Rovers problems are in central midfield and defence. What do we do this window? Go for a striker and a winger. Normal service is resumed at Ewood.
fair points captain - it is a common feeling among Rovers fans that we desperately need to tighten the defense up - but in reality we don't have anywhere near the worst defense in the division - in fact I think that only 5 teams have conceded less goals that the Rovers. So maybe MA is bringing the players in where he can see what and who we need - and not bringing players in to please the fans. Would be nice to have both BTW....
[quote][p][bold]Captain Dreckley[/bold] wrote: Appleton is right that we need to get a balanced side and the exodus of the Kean era has begun but we have a long way to go to clear out the dead wood. But getting a balanced side doesn't just mean clearing out the deadwood it means bringing in quality where we are weak. What is clear to everyone and their dog is that Rovers problems are in central midfield and defence. What do we do this window? Go for a striker and a winger. Normal service is resumed at Ewood.[/p][/quote]fair points captain - it is a common feeling among Rovers fans that we desperately need to tighten the defense up - but in reality we don't have anywhere near the worst defense in the division - in fact I think that only 5 teams have conceded less goals that the Rovers. So maybe MA is bringing the players in where he can see what and who we need - and not bringing players in to please the fans. Would be nice to have both BTW.... French Rover

1:39pm Sat 2 Feb 13

tiojo says...

The club is obviously being set up for the long term in the championship. High earning, older, internationals shown the door, journeymen championship players targets for coming in. With disillusioned fans and lower gates it's the obvious future for the club. And still it remains a puzzle why Venky's bought the Rovers and continue to cling on to it. They show no sign of ambition for their purchase.
The club is obviously being set up for the long term in the championship. High earning, older, internationals shown the door, journeymen championship players targets for coming in. With disillusioned fans and lower gates it's the obvious future for the club. And still it remains a puzzle why Venky's bought the Rovers and continue to cling on to it. They show no sign of ambition for their purchase. tiojo

1:59pm Sat 2 Feb 13

M4CCY says...

I'm in agreement with MA! Would you rather see players who want to fight for this club or players who just don't care! Well, i choose the former option! For the first time in a very long time I have seen some fight at Ewood! I am genuinely looking forward to the game today. There are still 'fans' and I use that term loosely who have hit self destruction button and almost want us to fail in order to prove a point. The team needs the fan's support; a positive atmosphere will help break this cycle! COME ON YOU BLUES!
I'm in agreement with MA! Would you rather see players who want to fight for this club or players who just don't care! Well, i choose the former option! For the first time in a very long time I have seen some fight at Ewood! I am genuinely looking forward to the game today. There are still 'fans' and I use that term loosely who have hit self destruction button and almost want us to fail in order to prove a point. The team needs the fan's support; a positive atmosphere will help break this cycle! COME ON YOU BLUES! M4CCY

2:07pm Sat 2 Feb 13

owd nick says...

tiojo wrote:
The club is obviously being set up for the long term in the championship. High earning, older, internationals shown the door, journeymen championship players targets for coming in. With disillusioned fans and lower gates it's the obvious future for the club. And still it remains a puzzle why Venky's bought the Rovers and continue to cling on to it. They show no sign of ambition for their purchase.
No ambition? lol.

Just how much have we spent on strikers this season?

And we haven't seen the best one yet.

How many other Championship clubs have spent as much as we have?

And please don't give me that "We have had to sell before we can buy drivel", the vast majority of clubs, even in the PL have to work that way.

YCMIU. lol. lol.
[quote][p][bold]tiojo[/bold] wrote: The club is obviously being set up for the long term in the championship. High earning, older, internationals shown the door, journeymen championship players targets for coming in. With disillusioned fans and lower gates it's the obvious future for the club. And still it remains a puzzle why Venky's bought the Rovers and continue to cling on to it. They show no sign of ambition for their purchase.[/p][/quote]No ambition? lol. Just how much have we spent on strikers this season? And we haven't seen the best one yet. How many other Championship clubs have spent as much as we have? And please don't give me that "We have had to sell before we can buy drivel", the vast majority of clubs, even in the PL have to work that way. YCMIU. lol. lol. owd nick

2:08pm Sat 2 Feb 13

owd nick says...

owd nick wrote:
tiojo wrote:
The club is obviously being set up for the long term in the championship. High earning, older, internationals shown the door, journeymen championship players targets for coming in. With disillusioned fans and lower gates it's the obvious future for the club. And still it remains a puzzle why Venky's bought the Rovers and continue to cling on to it. They show no sign of ambition for their purchase.
No ambition? lol.

Just how much have we spent on strikers this season?

And we haven't seen the best one yet.

How many other Championship clubs have spent as much as we have?

And please don't give me that "We have had to sell before we can buy drivel", the vast majority of clubs, even in the PL have to work that way.

YCMIU. lol. lol.
Off to Ewood now...bye! COYB.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tiojo[/bold] wrote: The club is obviously being set up for the long term in the championship. High earning, older, internationals shown the door, journeymen championship players targets for coming in. With disillusioned fans and lower gates it's the obvious future for the club. And still it remains a puzzle why Venky's bought the Rovers and continue to cling on to it. They show no sign of ambition for their purchase.[/p][/quote]No ambition? lol. Just how much have we spent on strikers this season? And we haven't seen the best one yet. How many other Championship clubs have spent as much as we have? And please don't give me that "We have had to sell before we can buy drivel", the vast majority of clubs, even in the PL have to work that way. YCMIU. lol. lol.[/p][/quote]Off to Ewood now...bye! COYB. owd nick

2:28pm Sat 2 Feb 13

kenbro says...

Getting off the subject a bit lads, but today we entertain a Bristol club. Any of you old timers remember Bristol Rovers coming to Ewood on Feb 5th 1955 ?
That day, in the old Div 2 in front of 24,760 fans we walloped them 8 - 3.
Tommy Briggs scored a record 7 goals that day and we went mad. It seemed that every time Tommy touched the ball it went in the net.
Late in the match, we got a penalty. Bobby Langton had been our ace penalty taker - what a left foot he had - but they gave the ball to Briggs and he didn't miss.
I think it will be a long time before we see goal scoring events like those days. Very happy memories.
Incidentally, two young lads made their debut in a Rovers first team shirt that season. Derek Leaver who later opened Leavers Pie Shop, and a small skinny lad named Bryan Douglas.
Getting off the subject a bit lads, but today we entertain a Bristol club. Any of you old timers remember Bristol Rovers coming to Ewood on Feb 5th 1955 ? That day, in the old Div 2 in front of 24,760 fans we walloped them 8 - 3. Tommy Briggs scored a record 7 goals that day and we went mad. It seemed that every time Tommy touched the ball it went in the net. Late in the match, we got a penalty. Bobby Langton had been our ace penalty taker - what a left foot he had - but they gave the ball to Briggs and he didn't miss. I think it will be a long time before we see goal scoring events like those days. Very happy memories. Incidentally, two young lads made their debut in a Rovers first team shirt that season. Derek Leaver who later opened Leavers Pie Shop, and a small skinny lad named Bryan Douglas. kenbro

2:41pm Sat 2 Feb 13

Is Eckersley playing? says...

Hey, Kenbro, I wuz there! If memory serves he got most of the goals at the Darwen end - certainly the penalty. He was a big, bustling lad was Tommy, but I didn't realise it was Duggys first game. Eee happy days, eh - and that was in t' second division.
Hey, Kenbro, I wuz there! If memory serves he got most of the goals at the Darwen end - certainly the penalty. He was a big, bustling lad was Tommy, but I didn't realise it was Duggys first game. Eee happy days, eh - and that was in t' second division. Is Eckersley playing?

2:58pm Sat 2 Feb 13

kenbro says...

Yes, the penalty was at the Darren end. From memory, the pitch was a mudhole compared to todays pitch.
We scored 114 goals that season, far more than any other team. Briggs had 33 and Eddie Quigley 28. Derek Leaver only played 2 games but scored once.
Highest attendance v Doncaster on Dec 27th - 36,273. Most of them, like me, standing up, and cold.
Yes, the penalty was at the Darren end. From memory, the pitch was a mudhole compared to todays pitch. We scored 114 goals that season, far more than any other team. Briggs had 33 and Eddie Quigley 28. Derek Leaver only played 2 games but scored once. Highest attendance v Doncaster on Dec 27th - 36,273. Most of them, like me, standing up, and cold. kenbro

3:52pm Sat 2 Feb 13

Is Eckersley playing? says...

Those weret' days when they would put thalf times scores up in t' corners. Letters A- R or so. Everybody got their programmes out to decipher t'scores. And by time we got home Pink was nearly pushed through your door wi't full times.. How did they do that? Printed and delivered before 6o'clock! Better stop now, or t'kids on here will get bored. Happy days, Kenbro. We'll have another reminisce soon.
Those weret' days when they would put thalf times scores up in t' corners. Letters A- R or so. Everybody got their programmes out to decipher t'scores. And by time we got home Pink was nearly pushed through your door wi't full times.. How did they do that? Printed and delivered before 6o'clock! Better stop now, or t'kids on here will get bored. Happy days, Kenbro. We'll have another reminisce soon. Is Eckersley playing?

5:27pm Sat 2 Feb 13

richieBCN says...

Firstly, great win today. You can only play as well as the opposition in front of you!

Anyhow, living over in Barcelona and just looked at Rochina's interview with Zaragoza from yesterday. Pretty sure he said, ''It was a strange thing. I got the message from them and everything happened really quickly.''

Would lead me to believe he wasn't looking to initially leave so maybe he was offloaded with a view to easing the wage bill for when the new arrivals were supposed to sign on deadline day.
Firstly, great win today. You can only play as well as the opposition in front of you! Anyhow, living over in Barcelona and just looked at Rochina's interview with Zaragoza from yesterday. Pretty sure he said, ''It was a strange thing. I got the message from them and everything happened really quickly.'' Would lead me to believe he wasn't looking to initially leave so maybe he was offloaded with a view to easing the wage bill for when the new arrivals were supposed to sign on deadline day. richieBCN

6:10pm Sat 2 Feb 13

dangerous dave says...

crankitup wrote:
YAWN!...blah blah blah, one line in the above statement sticks in my throat..." I always knew the window would reopen next Thursday," and that's it in a nut shell....no INTENT to buy, just to build the hopes of the fans and then at the 11th hour pull the rug from under our feet, then hopefully bring in someone on loan....i had big hopes for appy, he made all the right noises, but the more B*lls*it that come out of Ewood the more i can see puppet strings...
absolutely spot on - the paper work for the outs went through ok - no intention of buying anyone set of liars
OUT WITH SHAW AGNEW SINGH HENDRY COAR VENKYS
[quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: YAWN!...blah blah blah, one line in the above statement sticks in my throat..." I always knew the window would reopen next Thursday," and that's it in a nut shell....no INTENT to buy, just to build the hopes of the fans and then at the 11th hour pull the rug from under our feet, then hopefully bring in someone on loan....i had big hopes for appy, he made all the right noises, but the more B*lls*it that come out of Ewood the more i can see puppet strings...[/p][/quote]absolutely spot on - the paper work for the outs went through ok - no intention of buying anyone set of liars OUT WITH SHAW AGNEW SINGH HENDRY COAR VENKYS dangerous dave

6:28pm Sat 2 Feb 13

Roverthere says...

Well done MA, get the deadwood out
Well done MA, get the deadwood out Roverthere

6:39pm Sat 2 Feb 13

greenscreener says...

Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
Those weret' days when they would put thalf times scores up in t' corners. Letters A- R or so. Everybody got their programmes out to decipher t'scores. And by time we got home Pink was nearly pushed through your door wi't full times.. How did they do that? Printed and delivered before 6o'clock! Better stop now, or t'kids on here will get bored. Happy days, Kenbro. We'll have another reminisce soon.
Not old enough to have been at that one but I remember the letters at half time and the Pink was brilliant.
[quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: Those weret' days when they would put thalf times scores up in t' corners. Letters A- R or so. Everybody got their programmes out to decipher t'scores. And by time we got home Pink was nearly pushed through your door wi't full times.. How did they do that? Printed and delivered before 6o'clock! Better stop now, or t'kids on here will get bored. Happy days, Kenbro. We'll have another reminisce soon.[/p][/quote]Not old enough to have been at that one but I remember the letters at half time and the Pink was brilliant. greenscreener

8:04pm Sat 2 Feb 13

moh says...

stephenrover wrote:
Surely it's a managers job to motivate the most talented players, not to simply say "oh if you're not that keen then leave". Rochina is our second best player. It shows a horrible lack of ambition to give up on his motivation (unsurprising that he's unmotivated given the farce that is our management) and replace him with average players who, unsurprisingly, are more happy to play for us.
completely agree, rochina is one of the few players who can take players on and show some quality. he has not been consistent but in some games he showed how good he was at dribbling and turning players round. You need someone like him in some stages of some games.
[quote][p][bold]stephenrover[/bold] wrote: Surely it's a managers job to motivate the most talented players, not to simply say "oh if you're not that keen then leave". Rochina is our second best player. It shows a horrible lack of ambition to give up on his motivation (unsurprising that he's unmotivated given the farce that is our management) and replace him with average players who, unsurprisingly, are more happy to play for us.[/p][/quote]completely agree, rochina is one of the few players who can take players on and show some quality. he has not been consistent but in some games he showed how good he was at dribbling and turning players round. You need someone like him in some stages of some games. moh

8:43pm Sat 2 Feb 13

blueblooded says...

Jarrod Schulz Bearded Wonder wrote:
I'm one of the more usual happy clappers but this was a massive let down. No intent, how can you let vueckevic go for nothing because he says he wants to, yet Geal givet has wanted to go for 12 months and he's still here.
Four out, none in, wages down, expect another relegation battle.
I think he said it plainly enough.

Givet wants to go but no-one wants him.
[quote][p][bold]Jarrod Schulz Bearded Wonder[/bold] wrote: I'm one of the more usual happy clappers but this was a massive let down. No intent, how can you let vueckevic go for nothing because he says he wants to, yet Geal givet has wanted to go for 12 months and he's still here. Four out, none in, wages down, expect another relegation battle.[/p][/quote]I think he said it plainly enough. Givet wants to go but no-one wants him. blueblooded

8:50pm Sat 2 Feb 13

blueblooded says...

PersianRover wrote:
Thanks for letting our most creative players leave!!!

Lets rely on Lowe and Murphy to supply the strength, creativity and power. The players who were allowed to go compensated their lack of strength with passing and technical ability, they were let down by other players in the team who were stronger but could not keep the ball so it meant everyone constantly had to chase back, and eventually who will concede.

If Barca, has Lowe and Murhpy as their holding players, with players like Orr etc behind them, their 3 attacking mid fielders would not function correctly either .

If you dont player them, of course they will want to go!!!

If you are telling me Barca style of play is not suitable for championship, you are having laugh!!!!

Damage is done now. Samba, Hoilett, Fomica, Rochina... most of the players that were instrumental in us beating Arsenal and Man UTD last seaons are out. I still feel if Kean didnt take off our creative players last season when we were leading where we then ended up losing points because we kept dropping deep because we could pass the ball and keep it, we would have stayed up. Now we have to play these so called stronger players who are unable to retain the ball from the start.
Samba, Hoillett, Formica and Rochina all had one thing in common.

They didn't want to be here and MA is dead right. We need committed players who want to play for Rovers and compete for first team places, not over-paid, under-achieving divas who think they're too good to be here.

Speaking of Hoillett and Samba... sorry.. cant help enjoying watching these divas go from Rovers heroes to Premiership zeroes.. now wouldn't it be devilishly delightful if QPR went down as we went up lol.
[quote][p][bold]PersianRover[/bold] wrote: Thanks for letting our most creative players leave!!! Lets rely on Lowe and Murphy to supply the strength, creativity and power. The players who were allowed to go compensated their lack of strength with passing and technical ability, they were let down by other players in the team who were stronger but could not keep the ball so it meant everyone constantly had to chase back, and eventually who will concede. If Barca, has Lowe and Murhpy as their holding players, with players like Orr etc behind them, their 3 attacking mid fielders would not function correctly either . If you dont player them, of course they will want to go!!! If you are telling me Barca style of play is not suitable for championship, you are having laugh!!!! Damage is done now. Samba, Hoilett, Fomica, Rochina... most of the players that were instrumental in us beating Arsenal and Man UTD last seaons are out. I still feel if Kean didnt take off our creative players last season when we were leading where we then ended up losing points because we kept dropping deep because we could pass the ball and keep it, we would have stayed up. Now we have to play these so called stronger players who are unable to retain the ball from the start.[/p][/quote]Samba, Hoillett, Formica and Rochina all had one thing in common. They didn't want to be here and MA is dead right. We need committed players who want to play for Rovers and compete for first team places, not over-paid, under-achieving divas who think they're too good to be here. Speaking of Hoillett and Samba... sorry.. cant help enjoying watching these divas go from Rovers heroes to Premiership zeroes.. now wouldn't it be devilishly delightful if QPR went down as we went up lol. blueblooded

9:19pm Sat 2 Feb 13

kazluvsrovers says...

owd nick wrote:
Its all about money with Givet, he plays when he feels like it, which isn't all that often and has been sulking since he took a pay cut following relegation.

I agree Rochina has potential but for someone to say he is consistent suggests that person hasn't been down to Ewood for a while, or they forgot to put "In" in front of consistent. Truth is Rovers have been playing with 10 men 4 games out of 5 when he has played.

Vucevic never let us down but can anyone remember him ever playing a full game?

Robbo worked his socks off for us last season but has been "missing" all of this, truth is he still thinks he is a PL player, unfortunately his body doesn't agree with him.

OK managers have to kid, cajole, cuddle and encourage players to a certain extent but when a player constantly makes it clear he wants to leave there has to be a limit to what a manager can be expected to do.

We have asked for strong management, we are getting it.

We have asked for clear communication, we are getting it.

Now I don't know about the rest of you but I have watched enough dross over the last couple of years and am fed up to the back teeth with players dictating, demanding, pretending to be injured and refusing to play.

In Appleton's position not only would I be encouraging them to go I would be paying their taxi fares.

That shirt means everything to me as a Rovers fan, I don't want any player wearing it that doesn't want to, whatever the reason.
Well said Owd Nick, about time someone came on this site and said it like it is, been paying too many deadlegs too much money.
If they dont want to give 100% let them go.....
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: Its all about money with Givet, he plays when he feels like it, which isn't all that often and has been sulking since he took a pay cut following relegation. I agree Rochina has potential but for someone to say he is consistent suggests that person hasn't been down to Ewood for a while, or they forgot to put "In" in front of consistent. Truth is Rovers have been playing with 10 men 4 games out of 5 when he has played. Vucevic never let us down but can anyone remember him ever playing a full game? Robbo worked his socks off for us last season but has been "missing" all of this, truth is he still thinks he is a PL player, unfortunately his body doesn't agree with him. OK managers have to kid, cajole, cuddle and encourage players to a certain extent but when a player constantly makes it clear he wants to leave there has to be a limit to what a manager can be expected to do. We have asked for strong management, we are getting it. We have asked for clear communication, we are getting it. Now I don't know about the rest of you but I have watched enough dross over the last couple of years and am fed up to the back teeth with players dictating, demanding, pretending to be injured and refusing to play. In Appleton's position not only would I be encouraging them to go I would be paying their taxi fares. That shirt means everything to me as a Rovers fan, I don't want any player wearing it that doesn't want to, whatever the reason.[/p][/quote]Well said Owd Nick, about time someone came on this site and said it like it is, been paying too many deadlegs too much money. If they dont want to give 100% let them go..... kazluvsrovers

11:14am Sun 3 Feb 13

noddymcleod says...

A manager who wanted to build his reputation and who took over a brilliant and erratic and indisciplined player like Rochina might think, "I'll get his lad playing to his full potential" But as the Spanish interview shows it is much more likely that Apple is unloading under orders expensive players and replacing them with "never-will-bes" like DJ Campbell, Thomas and freebies.
When you're in bad shape you simply have to get some points on the board and I give credit to Apple for doing that. At best we'll stabilise but I still hold the view that Apple is in on and part of Venkys' exit strategy. Once we fail to go up - and if we went up with this squad and Venkys are not going to spend any more, we'd do a Burnley or Derby - Venkys will sell our only bankable assets (primarily Rhodes) and close up.
A manager who wanted to build his reputation and who took over a brilliant and erratic and indisciplined player like Rochina might think, "I'll get his lad playing to his full potential" But as the Spanish interview shows it is much more likely that Apple is unloading under orders expensive players and replacing them with "never-will-bes" like DJ Campbell, Thomas and freebies. When you're in bad shape you simply have to get some points on the board and I give credit to Apple for doing that. At best we'll stabilise but I still hold the view that Apple is in on and part of Venkys' exit strategy. Once we fail to go up - and if we went up with this squad and Venkys are not going to spend any more, we'd do a Burnley or Derby - Venkys will sell our only bankable assets (primarily Rhodes) and close up. noddymcleod

12:02pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Angry From Accrington says...

This statement simply reinforces my view that Michael Appleton feels much more secure and comfortable in surrounding himself with middle aged mediocrity than face up to the challenge of harnessing flair and talent of bright young prospects.
This statement simply reinforces my view that Michael Appleton feels much more secure and comfortable in surrounding himself with middle aged mediocrity than face up to the challenge of harnessing flair and talent of bright young prospects. Angry From Accrington

12:14pm Sun 3 Feb 13

MatthewCA says...

We may get Hoillite on loan for left wing ........! any try.
We may get Hoillite on loan for left wing ........! any try. MatthewCA

12:14pm Sun 3 Feb 13

MatthewCA says...

We may get Hoillite on loan for left wing ........! any try.
We may get Hoillite on loan for left wing ........! any try. MatthewCA

12:14pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Harwoodstblue says...

noddymcleod wrote:
A manager who wanted to build his reputation and who took over a brilliant and erratic and indisciplined player like Rochina might think, "I'll get his lad playing to his full potential" But as the Spanish interview shows it is much more likely that Apple is unloading under orders expensive players and replacing them with "never-will-bes" like DJ Campbell, Thomas and freebies.
When you're in bad shape you simply have to get some points on the board and I give credit to Apple for doing that. At best we'll stabilise but I still hold the view that Apple is in on and part of Venkys' exit strategy. Once we fail to go up - and if we went up with this squad and Venkys are not going to spend any more, we'd do a Burnley or Derby - Venkys will sell our only bankable assets (primarily Rhodes) and close up.
Good post and I agree with all. Some of us are perceptive some of us are not.
I still don't believe Venkys are honorable or are here for the right reasons.
[quote][p][bold]noddymcleod[/bold] wrote: A manager who wanted to build his reputation and who took over a brilliant and erratic and indisciplined player like Rochina might think, "I'll get his lad playing to his full potential" But as the Spanish interview shows it is much more likely that Apple is unloading under orders expensive players and replacing them with "never-will-bes" like DJ Campbell, Thomas and freebies. When you're in bad shape you simply have to get some points on the board and I give credit to Apple for doing that. At best we'll stabilise but I still hold the view that Apple is in on and part of Venkys' exit strategy. Once we fail to go up - and if we went up with this squad and Venkys are not going to spend any more, we'd do a Burnley or Derby - Venkys will sell our only bankable assets (primarily Rhodes) and close up.[/p][/quote]Good post and I agree with all. Some of us are perceptive some of us are not. I still don't believe Venkys are honorable or are here for the right reasons. Harwoodstblue

12:18pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Roverthere says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
This statement simply reinforces my view that Michael Appleton feels much more secure and comfortable in surrounding himself with middle aged mediocrity than face up to the challenge of harnessing flair and talent of bright young prospects.
The bright young prospects released failed to impress! Championship needs hardworking warehorses.
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: This statement simply reinforces my view that Michael Appleton feels much more secure and comfortable in surrounding himself with middle aged mediocrity than face up to the challenge of harnessing flair and talent of bright young prospects.[/p][/quote]The bright young prospects released failed to impress! Championship needs hardworking warehorses. Roverthere

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