Lifelong Blackburn Rovers fans and top businessman call for Venky's olive branch (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Sorry how many chances are we going give Kean and venkys. Kean out venkys but end off

cheers
BKK

Good luck with this lads - I agree that this could be in all our interests.

Venky's really need to respond positively to this.

If they don't then the consequences will be very dire indeed.

Chicken cooked in olive oil at Bollyewood

Sorry no truce - the Venkys could
only stmach half a match at Wigan and y they expect us to put our hard earned cash into supporting a poor team and abysmal Manager - its about time they put their money where their mouth is!!

We have seen what happened at Sunderland with a change of manager . Kean needs to go and Venkys install a full board and chief Exec to run the club how it used to be run successfully.It is the majority os season ticket holders that want him out not a minority as kean seems to believe come on Venkys sort it or sell it

No, no and more no.

They've had plenty long enough to re-engage the fans.

Actions speak louder than words and we must remember Venky's are clearly as much a part of the problem as Kean.

Instead of hiding away they should man-up, get their backsides over here and sort out the mess they've created - starting with the immediate removal of Kean.

All I can say is don`t hold your breath.
It is going to take an enormous climbdown & loss of face from to many people to turn things around. I feel the only way forward is for the current owners (whoever they may be) to sell the club get rid of Kean and start afresh.
As far as I`m concerned, the Venky`s have my money already for this season, so there is nothing I can do about that, other than refuse to spend another penny on matchdays or gifts from the club shop.
Should Kean still be assosiated with the club in any role (match day marshall even) at the start of next season then for the first time in more years than I can remember, I will not re-new my season ticket or step foot in Ewood again, I have supported the club since 1957 aged 4, and like many of you out there apart from the odd year working away etc; have hardly missed a home game, only God knows how much money I have also spent on away games. I do not want praise or thanking for this love of Rovers, just the same level of committment from the owners, players & particularly the manager whilst they are at the club. They can always move on to other clubs, a luxury we could never contemplate.
A Bolton fan once explained why he supported them and not say Man Utd, he explained that it was like owning a 3 legged dog, you wish it was perfect and had 4 legs but you loved it all the same for it`s affictions and could never change it.
Kean out for Christmas please Santa.

Unfortunately it is already too late. The club is in such a desperate state that there is not the infrastructure in place to make any kind of improvement in January.
Experienced players need to be coming in during the first week in January to make a difference.
There is no experienced management team to make deals and if we believe reports there is no money and at present no indication that Venky's will put money in.
Add to that a manager who is clearly incompetent and out of his depth.
Three weeks to make a difference after 12 months of mis-management and incompetence, forget it. We are already heading for the Championship

It´s a noble piece of self-promotion by local business men but alas after 3hrs with Venkys Battersby should have got their number -they´re simply not interested in true dialogue. They tried the fans trip to India stunt. Fans don´t want a dialogue with Venkys, fans just wanted Venkys to do one fraction of what they promised, but most fans have abandoned that illusion.
Battersby and Wild would be better advised to start planning what to do when Venkys leave and leave us stranded. No Arab is going appear out of the desert to save us, the Rovers only hope is by some kind of local buy-out, a fans based club supported by local business. There are high profile people who could possibly be appealed to to sponsor that kind of thing -Jack Straw MP is a fan, former Hyndburn MP Greg Pope is a fan and so too is former Euro-MP Mike Hindley, former Mayors Bill Taylor and Malcolm Doherty, too.

They came to very few games at Ewood before the trouble started, although they did manage to get to London for a few games !!!!

Having said that I think if Wayne and Ian can start a proper dialogue with the family (not representatives) and feed the information back to the supporters we should back off until we have to hear what they have to say.

Judging from the past I wish you good luck guy's , but I do have faith in Wayne that he will not be sucked in with false promises.

I can understand why someone with an unfortunate connection to the club might come out and say something like this,probably reluctantly i might add. However it is the opinion of the fans who have an emotional connection to the club that counts and that opinion states that the only circumstances venkys will be welcome back in blackburn would be after relieving steve kean of his duties, one fears even this would be but the calm before the storm unfortunately,just the beginning of the end perhaps for our historic club

All the protests and unrest will stop as soon as they sack kean. He has been an absolute shambles and as soon as he goes everyone will start to be more positive

Venkys dont need an olive branch they need a good kick up the smelly hole theirs

Had the protesters not backed the owners into a situation where they could not take the necessary remedial action without losing face Kean would have been sacked ages ago.

Sadly those people who professed to be acting for 'the majority' did not possess the necessary inteliigence or strategic nous to understand this and their self-agrandissement will lead to the relegation of our Club.

Whatever Venkys may be they are not stupid and they would not have tolerated Kean's failures if it had not been for the actions of a small number of fans who have backed them into a corner.

Those fans will need to live with the fact that it is they, as much as Kean, who have led the Club to the brink of the loss of Premier-league status which is unlikely ever to be regained given the inevitable upheaval and financial losses which will ensue.

lusorover wrote:
Had the protesters not backed the owners into a situation where they could not take the necessary remedial action without losing face Kean would have been sacked ages ago.

Sadly those people who professed to be acting for 'the majority' did not possess the necessary inteliigence or strategic nous to understand this and their self-agrandissement will lead to the relegation of our Club.

Whatever Venkys may be they are not stupid and they would not have tolerated Kean's failures if it had not been for the actions of a small number of fans who have backed them into a corner.

Those fans will need to live with the fact that it is they, as much as Kean, who have led the Club to the brink of the loss of Premier-league status which is unlikely ever to be regained given the inevitable upheaval and financial losses which will ensue.

So you are saying the mess we are in is all the protesters fault? Behave yourself and stop posting utter tom$hittery

lusorover wrote:
Had the protesters not backed the owners into a situation where they could not take the necessary remedial action without losing face Kean would have been sacked ages ago. Sadly those people who professed to be acting for 'the majority' did not possess the necessary inteliigence or strategic nous to understand this and their self-agrandissement will lead to the relegation of our Club. Whatever Venkys may be they are not stupid and they would not have tolerated Kean's failures if it had not been for the actions of a small number of fans who have backed them into a corner. Those fans will need to live with the fact that it is they, as much as Kean, who have led the Club to the brink of the loss of Premier-league status which is unlikely ever to be regained given the inevitable upheaval and financial losses which will ensue.

WOW, thats a a shocking comment. i was not a supporter of the protests inside the ground all along but to say something so ludicrous is amazing.

the protests have had absolutely no bearing on Venkys decision to keep Kean on and to suggest that is ridiculous. get real will ye!!

We really needed the manager to have gone this week, with a statement of intent from the owners that they wanted to put this right by appointing a high quality manager to get us out of this mess. Again they have sat on their hands and we can only guess at the reasons why? I am afraid the quality of signings brought in by this regime is pitiful as was on display on sunday. We made Sunderland previously unable (with injuries of their own) to put two passes together look like Barcelona. Moving on to this so called olive branch I am afraid I feel it is too late the damage has been done! Apparently the reason for them leaving early at Wigan was the earbashing they received from Dave Whelan on the way they were running the club. Along with David Pleats quote last night says it all.

Sherwoodforest wrote:

lusorover wrote:
Had the protesters not backed the owners into a situation where they could not take the necessary remedial action without losing face Kean would have been sacked ages ago.

Sadly those people who professed to be acting for 'the majority' did not possess the necessary inteliigence or strategic nous to understand this and their self-agrandissement will lead to the relegation of our Club.

Whatever Venkys may be they are not stupid and they would not have tolerated Kean's failures if it had not been for the actions of a small number of fans who have backed them into a corner.

Those fans will need to live with the fact that it is they, as much as Kean, who have led the Club to the brink of the loss of Premier-league status which is unlikely ever to be regained given the inevitable upheaval and financial losses which will ensue.

So you are saying the mess we are in is all the protesters fault? Behave yourself and stop posting utter tom$hittery

Oh and ffr there isn't three I's in intelligence, learn to spell before throwing stones

lusorover wrote:
Had the protesters not backed the owners into a situation where they could not take the necessary remedial action without losing face Kean would have been sacked ages ago.

Sadly those people who professed to be acting for 'the majority' did not possess the necessary inteliigence or strategic nous to understand this and their self-agrandissement will lead to the relegation of our Club.

Whatever Venkys may be they are not stupid and they would not have tolerated Kean's failures if it had not been for the actions of a small number of fans who have backed them into a corner.

Those fans will need to live with the fact that it is they, as much as Kean, who have led the Club to the brink of the loss of Premier-league status which is unlikely ever to be regained given the inevitable upheaval and financial losses which will ensue.

So its the protesters fault is it? Oh well, we are all entitled to our opinion.

Poor management has led the fans to make 'mistakes' opinions aren't mistake and everyone has a right to voice an opinion.

Venkys have denied the fans a right to be involved with our club which is just wrong.

Despite all the anger and frustration towards the management and the running of the club, I think they can still pull it back with a few sound business decision (including a change in management) and reinstating communication with the fans and some key additions to the squad.

Do this now Venkys or you won't be known to the football world as honest businessmen but thugs who had one sole intention to destroy our club.

Admit your mistakes most fans will admit booing a celebrating manager was wrong and prove those wrong who were quick to point the finger then we can all move forward from this dark patch in Blackburn history.

For the sake of your father your business reputation and hopefully one day your club as much as ours the impossible can be done as long as we are all on the same page.

Slightly surprised to see Salgado, who went off injured with a suspected broken rib on Sunday, playing 2 days later in a charity match in Hamburg.

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Why is a seemingly important player being allowed to play in fancy showcase matches, when he is supposedly injured, and the team is close to being relegated?

lusorover wrote:
Had the protesters not backed the owners into a situation where they could not take the necessary remedial action without losing face Kean would have been sacked ages ago. Sadly those people who professed to be acting for 'the majority' did not possess the necessary inteliigence or strategic nous to understand this and their self-agrandissement will lead to the relegation of our Club. Whatever Venkys may be they are not stupid and they would not have tolerated Kean's failures if it had not been for the actions of a small number of fans who have backed them into a corner. Those fans will need to live with the fact that it is they, as much as Kean, who have led the Club to the brink of the loss of Premier-league status which is unlikely ever to be regained given the inevitable upheaval and financial losses which will ensue.

Help me out luso, can you explain how allowing a manager to stay on and lead the club to relegation is not 'stupid'.

Also, prefering to not lose face to the great unwashed on the terraces rather than admit their mistake also not a sign of 'stupidity'?

Sherwoodforest wrote:

lusorover wrote:
Had the protesters not backed the owners into a situation where they could not take the necessary remedial action without losing face Kean would have been sacked ages ago.

Sadly those people who professed to be acting for 'the majority' did not possess the necessary inteliigence or strategic nous to understand this and their self-agrandissement will lead to the relegation of our Club.

Whatever Venkys may be they are not stupid and they would not have tolerated Kean's failures if it had not been for the actions of a small number of fans who have backed them into a corner.

Those fans will need to live with the fact that it is they, as much as Kean, who have led the Club to the brink of the loss of Premier-league status which is unlikely ever to be regained given the inevitable upheaval and financial losses which will ensue.

So you are saying the mess we are in is all the protesters fault? Behave yourself and stop posting utter tom$hittery

Of course it is not all the protesters' fault. Nobody can deny that the management of the Club is a shambles.

However, it is clear that Venkys would have sacked Kean ages ago if to do so would not have led to a massive loss of face on their part.

I made the observation after the first protest that the actions of the minority would cause the owners to dig their heels in and that is exactly what they have done.

This was predictable and not inevitable. The protesters need to be big enough to accept the responsbility for the damage their actions have caused. If they choose to continue we will all pay the price.

lusorover wrote:
Had the protesters not backed the owners into a situation where they could not take the necessary remedial action without losing face Kean would have been sacked ages ago. Sadly those people who professed to be acting for 'the majority' did not possess the necessary inteliigence or strategic nous to understand this and their self-agrandissement will lead to the relegation of our Club. Whatever Venkys may be they are not stupid and they would not have tolerated Kean's failures if it had not been for the actions of a small number of fans who have backed them into a corner. Those fans will need to live with the fact that it is they, as much as Kean, who have led the Club to the brink of the loss of Premier-league status which is unlikely ever to be regained given the inevitable upheaval and financial losses which will ensue.

Sanctimonious nonsense of the worst kind. Are you trying to take the moral high ground? The club is disintegrating before our very eyes and has been since the atrocious sacking of Big Sam by Venkys. That was more than a sacking, it was a statement of intent,and it was not good intent.
Venkys have not been pushed into a corner by supporters, they bring it on themselves each and every day.
Up Rovers!

NO-I'm sorry but its too late now. They Venkys have had chance a plenty to rectify their appalling relationship with the fans but have only paid lip service with a few high profile but, ultimately, futile public relations exercises- the whole Pune trip being a total farce.
We Lancashire folk are not so easily conned by carpets baggers such as Kean et al. This area has had a history of being used and exploited- indeed a lot of Rovers fans fore fathers worked long and hard in appalling conditions only to be cast aside when the last piece of coal had been won from the earth or the last yard of cotton had been taken off the loom. These clowns have been given more than a fair chance to prove their worth.They failed. Its time to get shut before we end up in Queer Street.

I have got an olive branch for Venkys it is called- Put Blackburn Rovers up for sale and sell the club now.
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None of the fans like you and none of the fans want you in charge of the club.
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You have taken a well established Premier league club to the verge of administration and championship football inside the space of 1 year.
Amazing work there!!!!
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You have ripped out the heart and soul of the club by sacking the professionals in charge of the club and replacing them with inexperienced puppets.
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VENKYS OUT.
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Your actions are simply not incompetence they hide a more sinister intention.

In today's Telegraph-
in their meeting with Venky's-IN OCTOBER-"She said she wanted us both back within 15 days and go to the next stage with this because this blue print looked really good.But nothing." "We were very optimistic.We had a very good and fair hearing. She had listened intently to constructive criticism and took it on board. She didn't object to what we said because she wanted to uncover it and get it right. SADLY AS WE SIT HERE NOW NOT MUCH OF IT HAS BEEN FOLLOWED UP WITH ACTION." In the same article he asks for a peace from the fans.
Am I missing something here?

Do the Venkys like my olive branch?
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VENKYS OUT!!!

This smacks of sheer DESPERATION its a bloody football club for crying out loud,so what if you get relegated ?.Its not the end of the world you have punched well above your weight for years, i know there aint a lot in t Blackburn to be proud of and i have to admit it is a terrible place to live but just think of the joy us clarets are having at your expense you really have given us a great 12 months your club is a national laughing stock and the thought of relegation absolutley scares you to death because you know it will mean financial oblivion and your£200 season tickets will be a distant memory as i have said before brfc a club with no class now uncle jack has gone and well you know it you skanks.

Sherwoodforest wrote:

Sherwoodforest wrote:

lusorover wrote: Had the protesters not backed the owners into a situation where they could not take the necessary remedial action without losing face Kean would have been sacked ages ago. Sadly those people who professed to be acting for 'the majority' did not possess the necessary inteliigence or strategic nous to understand this and their self-agrandissement will lead to the relegation of our Club. Whatever Venkys may be they are not stupid and they would not have tolerated Kean's failures if it had not been for the actions of a small number of fans who have backed them into a corner. Those fans will need to live with the fact that it is they, as much as Kean, who have led the Club to the brink of the loss of Premier-league status which is unlikely ever to be regained given the inevitable upheaval and financial losses which will ensue.

So you are saying the mess we are in is all the protesters fault? Behave yourself and stop posting utter tom$hittery

Oh and ffr there isn't three I's in intelligence, learn to spell before throwing stones

...there aren't 3 I's.....

lusorover wrote:

Sherwoodforest wrote:

lusorover wrote:
Had the protesters not backed the owners into a situation where they could not take the necessary remedial action without losing face Kean would have been sacked ages ago.

Sadly those people who professed to be acting for 'the majority' did not possess the necessary inteliigence or strategic nous to understand this and their self-agrandissement will lead to the relegation of our Club.

Whatever Venkys may be they are not stupid and they would not have tolerated Kean's failures if it had not been for the actions of a small number of fans who have backed them into a corner.

Those fans will need to live with the fact that it is they, as much as Kean, who have led the Club to the brink of the loss of Premier-league status which is unlikely ever to be regained given the inevitable upheaval and financial losses which will ensue.

So you are saying the mess we are in is all the protesters fault? Behave yourself and stop posting utter tom$hittery

Of course it is not all the protesters' fault. Nobody can deny that the management of the Club is a shambles.

However, it is clear that Venkys would have sacked Kean ages ago if to do so would not have led to a massive loss of face on their part.

I made the observation after the first protest that the actions of the minority would cause the owners to dig their heels in and that is exactly what they have done.

This was predictable and not inevitable. The protesters need to be big enough to accept the responsbility for the damage their actions have caused. If they choose to continue we will all pay the price.

I disagree with you on this, even as someone who isn't actively protesting for Kean to go. Can you explain why it is clear they would have let him go? What about any of their actions since taking over the club has given you am indication they would sack Kean based on performances/results
? I see no evidence of this.

This smacks of sheer DESPERATION its a bloody football club for crying out loud,so what if you get relegated ?.Its not the end of the world you have punched well above your weight for years, i know there aint a lot in t Blackburn to be proud of and i have to admit it is a terrible place to live but just think of the joy us clarets are having at your expense you really have given us a great 12 months your club is a national laughing stock and the thought of relegation absolutley scares you to death because you know it will mean financial oblivion and your£200 season tickets will be a distant memory as i have said before brfc a club with no class now uncle jack has gone and well you know it you skanks.”

This smacks of sheer DESPERATION its a bloody football club for crying out loud,so what if you get relegated ?.Its not the end of the world you have punched well above your weight for years, i know there aint a lot in t Blackburn to be proud of and i have to admit it is a terrible place to live but just think of the joy us clarets are having at your expense you really have given us a great 12 months your club is a national laughing stock and the thought of relegation absolutley scares you to death because you know it will mean financial oblivion and your£200 season tickets will be a distant memory as i have said before brfc a club with no class now uncle jack has gone and well you know it you skanks.”

samsno2millfan wrote:

Sherwoodforest wrote:

Sherwoodforest wrote:

lusorover wrote: Had the protesters not backed the owners into a situation where they could not take the necessary remedial action without losing face Kean would have been sacked ages ago. Sadly those people who professed to be acting for 'the majority' did not possess the necessary inteliigence or strategic nous to understand this and their self-agrandissement will lead to the relegation of our Club. Whatever Venkys may be they are not stupid and they would not have tolerated Kean's failures if it had not been for the actions of a small number of fans who have backed them into a corner. Those fans will need to live with the fact that it is they, as much as Kean, who have led the Club to the brink of the loss of Premier-league status which is unlikely ever to be regained given the inevitable upheaval and financial losses which will ensue.

So you are saying the mess we are in is all the protesters fault? Behave yourself and stop posting utter tom$hittery

Oh and ffr there isn't three I's in intelligence, learn to spell before throwing stones

...there aren't 3 I's.....

LOL at least it was spelt correctly :)

The best way the owners (Venky's)can get the fans back on their side is to appoint a competent manager as soon as possible. The atmosphere would change overnight and probably the results!

An idea by two astute businessmen, and off everybody goes again with the hate campaign for Venkys.

They have made a complete mess of things through ignorance or being misadvised. No doubt about it, Venkys are stuck with super glue in their corner.

As owners, they do have responsibilities, however, would you attend a match only to face continual abuse, I certainly would not!!

This idea gives Venkys a chance to come out of the corner, backsides spanked, yes, but at the moment I would think they are quite happy to remain stuck in the corner with no action plan, which will stagnate the club and lead to possible demise.

Whilst Rovers are at the wrong end of the table, there is still time to avert this and a bit of unity, and Venkys eating humble (chicken) pie could at least take us into the last chance saloon.

Things are desperate and I feel it worth a chance.

nil bye mouth wrote:
This smacks of sheer DESPERATION its a bloody football club for crying out loud,so what if you get relegated ?.Its not the end of the world you have punched well above your weight for years, i know there aint a lot in t Blackburn to be proud of and i have to admit it is a terrible place to live but just think of the joy us clarets are having at your expense you really have given us a great 12 months your club is a national laughing stock and the thought of relegation absolutley scares you to death because you know it will mean financial oblivion and your£200 season tickets will be a distant memory as i have said before brfc a club with no class now uncle jack has gone and well you know it you skanks.”

Yawn, yawn , yawn u boring dingle change the record.

A noble gesture from very worried supporters but i feel it will fall on deaf ears .Venkys seem to be so arrogant and unaproachable i doubt president Obama would get to speak to them face to face and as for your stupid comments lusorover they ar,nt worth mention.Come the end of the transfer window should we not have strengthened with quality experienced players then we will know where we will be playing next season and that we will be in freefall under venkys for years to come.

And for the idiots above who blame the protests, well enough said! It's thanks to the protest that the owners are perhaps starting to listen.

If Venkys sack Kean and appoint a manager with a "CV" to match the job which Kean never had then the problems will go away.
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A quality manager will require a decent business plan and some funds to invest in Jan along with being allowed to run the football side of the club.
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Venkys can you deliver on this ASAP because nothing else really matters? You have all the ammuntion you need to remove the failed Kean. ACT NOW!
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33rd.........

We need to stop this infighting now. Lusorover, it is NOT the protestors' fault if we get relegated. They acted with passion,in good faith and in all the circumstances with intelligence.
On Saturday, we should ALL get behind the team and act as a 12th man, and that includes the Walker Steel Stand.
We MUST beat West Brom to drag them into the mire with us and to give us the confidence to beat Bolton and condemn them to bottom spot at Christmas.
The protests against Kean can take place after the game but please let's have a complete show of fan power on Saturday to give the players a big boost.
I know Ian B and he's 100% Rovers so I would trust him to do the right thing but this is not time to start negotiating, it's time for the fans to rally together to get 3 points on Saturday.
For ever and ever

karltop wrote:
Slightly surprised to see Salgado, who went off injured with a suspected broken rib on Sunday, playing 2 days later in a charity match in Hamburg. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/sport/footbal l/article-2073838/Ro naldo-Zinedine-Zidan e-join-Didier-Drogba -Match-Against-Pover ty.html Why is a seemingly important player being allowed to play in fancy showcase matches, when he is supposedly injured, and the team is close to being relegated?

If that is the case, it would seem indefensible! Is this another flaw in our incompetent manager?

Are we expecting too much from Venky's? Don't get me wrong, they have certainly made mistakes but what other clubs' owners have dialogue with the fans? Not Man U or Man C, not Chelsea - do any Premiership owners have any meaningful relationship with fans? We have been spolit with Uncle Jack. After, the Walker Trust didn't talk to fans but we were fortunate to have the excellent John Williams who did. But John Williams was really exceptional. Do any other Chief Execs talk to fans? I think the best we can hope for is that they appoint a Chief Exec in the same mould as John Williams and liaise through him.
As for two local businessmen thinking they can negotiate some sort of truce - who do they think they are? No chance. And I am not a protestor.

Less of this claptrap …dialogue my backside…..the word dialogue is just jargon for the words 'investment please' are we really interested in their opinion so long as they invest!!!…. the bottom line is- Venkeys need to invest in the club (mainly the squad which just isn’t good enough) or the club will inevitably/definitel
y be relegated at the end of this season….. it doesn’t matter who the heck the manager is (preferably not Kean) even the very best managers( with all this lack of finance talk around, would the very best managers be interested!) cannot make a successful football club out of loaves and fishes!

lusorover wrote:
Had the protesters not backed the owners into a situation where they could not take the necessary remedial action without losing face Kean would have been sacked ages ago.

Sadly those people who professed to be acting for 'the majority' did not possess the necessary inteliigence or strategic nous to understand this and their self-agrandissement will lead to the relegation of our Club.

Whatever Venkys may be they are not stupid and they would not have tolerated Kean's failures if it had not been for the actions of a small number of fans who have backed them into a corner.

Those fans will need to live with the fact that it is they, as much as Kean, who have led the Club to the brink of the loss of Premier-league status which is unlikely ever to be regained given the inevitable upheaval and financial losses which will ensue.

WHAT!!!!! The protestors backed the owners into what....giving Kean an improved contract not to lose face.... dont talk 5hit!!!

lusorover wrote:
Had the protesters not backed the owners into a situation where they could not take the necessary remedial action without losing face Kean would have been sacked ages ago.

Sadly those people who professed to be acting for 'the majority' did not possess the necessary inteliigence or strategic nous to understand this and their self-agrandissement will lead to the relegation of our Club.

Whatever Venkys may be they are not stupid and they would not have tolerated Kean's failures if it had not been for the actions of a small number of fans who have backed them into a corner.

Those fans will need to live with the fact that it is they, as much as Kean, who have led the Club to the brink of the loss of Premier-league status which is unlikely ever to be regained given the inevitable upheaval and financial losses which will ensue.

I have read some rubbish on here over the last few years, but this takes the biscuit. They only people responsible for our current plight are Venky's. End of!

flyingv 1 its true venkys have been badly advised and have made a complete mess of running the club through ignorance, but to continualy run it with ignorance even though it is plainly obvious that it is being run with ignorance is unforgivable.They have had plenty of time to realise things are not working they are very successful business people yet they continue to drag their feet with an unbelievable arrogance if they cannot run the club properly as a club should be run then they should sell up and call it a day.If they wish to continue and hopefully want to turn things around then they are going to have to work very hard certainly spend heavily during the window, maybe even change the manager but whichever way they choose to go either must be done to save the club.

True_Blue wrote:

lusorover wrote:
Had the protesters not backed the owners into a situation where they could not take the necessary remedial action without losing face Kean would have been sacked ages ago.

Sadly those people who professed to be acting for 'the majority' did not possess the necessary inteliigence or strategic nous to understand this and their self-agrandissement will lead to the relegation of our Club.

Whatever Venkys may be they are not stupid and they would not have tolerated Kean's failures if it had not been for the actions of a small number of fans who have backed them into a corner.

Those fans will need to live with the fact that it is they, as much as Kean, who have led the Club to the brink of the loss of Premier-league status which is unlikely ever to be regained given the inevitable upheaval and financial losses which will ensue.

WHAT!!!!! The protestors backed the owners into what....giving Kean an improved contract not to lose face.... dont talk 5hit!!!

And he has done feck all in a year running up to the protests, your as bad as them if not one of them, like the others have mentioned everyone's entitled to their opinion but when they think before they speak, 4fs!!

good words by the 2 fans and lets hope its opens the door and the venkys will talk to the fans.I hope Steve Kean is removed and something needs to be done badly to save BRFC badly.

Stone Island wrote:

lusorover wrote: Had the protesters not backed the owners into a situation where they could not take the necessary remedial action without losing face Kean would have been sacked ages ago. Sadly those people who professed to be acting for 'the majority' did not possess the necessary inteliigence or strategic nous to understand this and their self-agrandissement will lead to the relegation of our Club. Whatever Venkys may be they are not stupid and they would not have tolerated Kean's failures if it had not been for the actions of a small number of fans who have backed them into a corner. Those fans will need to live with the fact that it is they, as much as Kean, who have led the Club to the brink of the loss of Premier-league status which is unlikely ever to be regained given the inevitable upheaval and financial losses which will ensue.

I have read some rubbish on here over the last few years, but this takes the biscuit. They only people responsible for our current plight are Venky's. End of!

Who forced out John Williams and replaced him with an inexperienced puppet?
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Who appointed the kit man as manager and then kept him this season as manager, when any other club would have sacked him at the end of last season.
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Who made stupid statements about marque signings and high profile names, and spending big money and backed it up by selling Phil Jones and not replacing him.
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I really do not need to list all of the instances of how the Venkys are to blame and should sell now as no one wants them here anymore. Other posters have done a far better job than me in exposing all of the mistakes the Venkys have made!

Who forced out John Williams and replaced him with an inexperienced puppet?
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Who appointed the kit man as manager and then kept him this season as manager, when any other club would have sacked him at the end of last season.
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Who made stupid statements about marque signings and high profile names, and spending big money and backed it up by selling Phil Jones and not replacing him.
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I really do not need to list all of the instances of how the Venkys are to blame and should sell now as no one wants them here anymore. Other posters have done a far better job than me in exposing all of the mistakes the Venkys have made!

Well done Ian and Wayne - at least somebody is trying to be pro-active .

Come on Andy Cryer and LET try something similar - why not offer an open invitation for the Venky's to meet the fans at a pre set time and date in Jan .

if the Venky's agree , then the protestors should also agree to rein in the protests until after the meeting .

At the end of the day we all want the same thing - Rovers to stay up - do n't we ? .

As many people have already said the Venky's have now retreated back into the distance and their only response is to turn the media against the protestors which basically builds a bigger gap between the parties .

Come on LET - think of the national headlines if you could bring the 2 parties together .

With all this vitriol, abuse and obscenities, is it any wonder Venky’s are ‘holed up’ in India, paralysed and unable to do anything?
They are relying entirely on their adviser Jerome Anderson and as long as this situation exists, Anderson is calling the shots. Remember, they know nothing about football, almost certainly will not understand what is happening and will be blindly going along with what Anderson tells them.
He got them into this mess, so he is not going to tell them he got it all wrong.
They may well be asking Anderson: “Why all this trouble?” What yarn will he be spinning them?
I know Ian Battersby, but do not know Wayne Wild. They are right in what they say and they are the only supporters to have come up with something sensible and constructive.
Earlier this week I called for an Ewood delegation to go to India to explain to Venky’s why we are in this mess and suggest a plan of action, so I feel encouraged that at least Ian and Wayne have stepped in. I think their first meeting, if they can pull it off, may have to take place elsewhere, because I doubt they will get Venky’s to come to Blackburn with all this anger.
If they can come here with a positive and constructive message, then the atmosphere would be totally different.
One thing worries me. They say the owners need to put in significant cash in January. That’s all very well, but the crucial thing is who will be spending it? If it is Anderson, with his vested interests, and Kean, forget it. And they must not sell, unless they have to let Hoilett go with his contractual problems.
I have said it repeatedly and I have written to Mrs Desai, they HAVE to appoint a ceo with complete control along with an experienced manager and let them get on with pulling this catastrophic situation around. I am sure Ian and Wayne understand this.
If Venky’s can come to Ewood without delay with the message that these two appointments are going to be made and how they plan to do it, then I think we may have a glimmer of hope.
An appointment that would set the club alight and every supporter buzzing would be the reappointment of John Williams as chairman/ceo. I understand Robert Coar is still on the board. Would he be able to broker this? And maybe the return of managing director Tom Finn, too. They know this club inside out and they are experienced football administrators.
There is no doubt in my mind that Anderson had Allardyce fired and then outed John Williams and I have frequently posted my reasons for that belief. What other explanation could there be for Venky’s to categorically state they would keep the management structure intact on their takeover and then get rid of these two crucial leaders within weeks? They know nothing about football, remember. In my view, going forward, Anderson has no place in this structure.
So, in the sole interests of the club, maybe John could forgive Venky’s gullibility and ride to our rescue. With these two positions filled without delay, then we could spend any money in January wisely and well.
I’m sure the bank would look on that favourably!
But is there time? I fear it may now be too late.

Same Old same Old, Venkys have set out their stall as follows:

Sack experienced manager and Install Inexperienced manager.
Poor decision making at board level, assuming someone making decisions.
Allow inexperienced manage to become mouth piece.
Allow a huge amount of bad publicity to engulf the club.
Allow fans to be so dispassionate that they start questioning the owners.

Well done Venkys great first year in charge, Championship here we come!

How to succeed from here:

Sack Inexperienced manager
Sell club onto new owners that show they care.
Start walking the walk if you are to stay in control.
Bring bring back John Williams or someone of Similar Elk to re-stabilise the club.
Engage with the fans to stop the rot.

We all love our club and we hate to see what Venkys are doing here, they are proving to be surely the worst owners that you could ever imaging.

Come on Rovers!!!!


All I know is I am Rovers till I die can Venkys ever have the same passion,


I doubt it!

lusorover wrote:

Sherwoodforest wrote:

lusorover wrote: Had the protesters not backed the owners into a situation where they could not take the necessary remedial action without losing face Kean would have been sacked ages ago. Sadly those people who professed to be acting for 'the majority' did not possess the necessary inteliigence or strategic nous to understand this and their self-agrandissement will lead to the relegation of our Club. Whatever Venkys may be they are not stupid and they would not have tolerated Kean's failures if it had not been for the actions of a small number of fans who have backed them into a corner. Those fans will need to live with the fact that it is they, as much as Kean, who have led the Club to the brink of the loss of Premier-league status which is unlikely ever to be regained given the inevitable upheaval and financial losses which will ensue.

So you are saying the mess we are in is all the protesters fault? Behave yourself and stop posting utter tom$hittery

Of course it is not all the protesters' fault. Nobody can deny that the management of the Club is a shambles. However, it is clear that Venkys would have sacked Kean ages ago if to do so would not have led to a massive loss of face on their part. I made the observation after the first protest that the actions of the minority would cause the owners to dig their heels in and that is exactly what they have done. This was predictable and not inevitable. The protesters need to be big enough to accept the responsbility for the damage their actions have caused. If they choose to continue we will all pay the price.

I would be interested to know on what basis is it "clear that Venky's would have been sacked Kean ages ago"? There is nothing to suggest this unless you believe the supposedly dreaded votes of confidence SK has received ad nauseum are the standard precursor to him being axed.

No,the owners are not stupid nor are they, as you suggest, acting out of spite because of the protests. It is ridiculous to suggest they have gone against their better judgement just to "save face". Just how much better would their image have been had they sacked the man they hired after only a few months?

You acknowledge the shambolic management of the club. This, from the owners down, is the reason we are in this state, not the the protests.

Myself & my family have been going to Ewood Park (3 generations) for 100 years but I will not be going back until Venkys & Kean are gone!
We have the worst run & managed club in the PL & relegation this season is almost inevitable.
Venkys bought Rovers for one reason only - to make money. They know nothing about football but knew they were getting a bargain at only £23m. Mrs Desai apparently thought at the time that the club would be self financing & that they wouldn't even need to worry about the £20m debt they were taking on.
There is only one way to get rid of them now. Don't go to future games & they will soon get the message & sell. If you keep going along to the games & pay your money then you are just lining their pockets & we will end up in freefall as we drop down through the divisions like a stone.
If you have a favouite local pub & it is then sold & you don't like the new owners/manager & what they have done to the pub then what do you do? STAY AWAY OR GO ELSEWHERE!!
I know that many will say I am not a true supporter but believe it or not I am a shareholder in BRFC & have the best interests of the Club at heart. However the only way out of this mess now is to take a stand & if people stop going to the games then they will soon get the message. These protests are a waste of time as Venkys have just carried on in their own sweet way. Something radical has to be done NOW or many of us older fans we probably never see Rovers again in the PL in our lifetime after this season.

Morst The 88th Min Heartbreaker of Dingles! wrote:
If Venkys sack Kean and appoint a manager with a "CV" to match the job which Kean never had then the problems will go away. . A quality manager will require a decent business plan and some funds to invest in Jan along with being allowed to run the football side of the club. . Venkys can you deliver on this ASAP because nothing else really matters? You have all the ammuntion you need to remove the failed Kean. ACT NOW! . 33rd.........

I agree but what manager in their right mind would want to work at the Rovers. As if working for the Venkys isn't bad enough, you have all the media speculation about not being able to pay wages. On top of that, you have our perilous league position.

Whilst pretty much any manager would be an improvement over Kean, I can't see any top class manager applying!

Chasalbert wrote:
We have seen what happened at Sunderland with a change of manager . Kean needs to go and Venkys install a full board and chief Exec to run the club how it used to be run successfully.It is the majority os season ticket holders that want him out not a minority as kean seems to believe come on Venkys sort it or sell it

I think we need a Chairman and Chief Exec in place prior to sacking Kean. Do we really trust Venky's to identify a suitable replacement?

Mike Costa says:

There is absolutely no point trying to get the Chicken Pluckers to do anything positive about the current situation. They have their own agenda, and it doesnt include moving the club forward. Only downwards. I wouldn't trust the little sooties as far as I could throw them.

They have had ample opportunity to show how much they care for Rovers and the answer is plain for all to see. The club is sliding towards relegation with bad owners, a crap manager and a weak squad. If people want to got to Pune and brown nose then that's their business. As far as I'm concerned there will be not truce as I think the club will be better off when Venky's Fcuk off ant take Kean with them

Taking all the recent reports from the media in to account and blindly separating the wheat from the chaff, I think no matter what we want Kean will be with us in to the new year and beyond regardless.

Not long ago Keanious was given a new contract, then someone suggested there would be 10 million in January for transfers, then someone suggested Barclays want 10 million paying in to them before January.

So all things considered they need to fork out 20 million for players and the bank, and to then get rid of keanious they will probably have to pay out a couple of million to pay up his contract, with another few million thrown in to bring in a new manager....

It's not going to happen is it.

I'm left dreaming of a Kean free christmas!

a worthy attempt by ian and wayne to act as go-betweens and appeal for peace to break out between the owners and the supporters. however, regrettably i think we are well past that and if the relationship is ever to improve.....the venkys need to start delivering rather than obfuscating and dithering.
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as for the appeal for peace a simple to questions to ian and wayne
1) ian - what feedback have you had from mrs desai following on from your meeting that suggests that there is an improvement in overall management of our beloved club?

2) waye - have you had any DIRECT feedback from tweedle dee and dum and alice in wonderland following on from your request a few weeks back (ie not Veneeth or the Hunts)

In terms of an olive branche - i would suggest that most rovers supporters could think of an appropriate place to stick it. the reality is that if anybody is to offer an olive branch it is the owners to the supporters - realistically what have the supporters done wrong apart from vent their frustrations (and i am not a protestor).
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many club directors refer to supporters as customers (ugh!). i come from a service background in retail and i know that if rovers were a shop and had treated its customers like this - the customers would have long departed the store and the shop manager would have been fired forthwith.
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finally ian the club is not in a state of paralysis - the patient is deteriorating rapidlly and needs urgent surgery if it is to have a chance of making a recovery...rest assured if we do recover, we will bear the scars for a long time yet.

Peaceful Protests never achieve anything!

Just ask Mao Tse Tung

Unfortunately as stated in the article the Venkys have absolutely no idea how to run a football club. Consequently a lot of people are telling them what to do. Their response appears to be to smile, shake heads in agreement, promise to do something but ultimately do nothing.

The problem for the Rovers is that they listened to the wrong people when they bought the club and thought they could just sit back and watch the money role in. Even the smallest amount of due diligence would have told them that this was not true. Therefore they do not have a plan B and because they don't understand football and because they can't tell good advice from bad advice they appear to be burying their heads in the sand.

So they don't understand what they are doing, they can't take criticism or advice and they don't want to come to Blackburn because of the response they might get. I would say that is a pretty good message that they should quit and sell up. Yes they might lose face but the effect won't as great now as it will be at the end of the season when we get relegated. Not only will that affect the Rovers but it will also affect their grand Venky Express expansion plans and developing football in India

As for the Rovers it is now too late to avoid relegation. Putting things right will need more than a sticking plaster. The whole club is rotten, dysfunctional and run by owners and senior managers who are at best inexperienced but probably not competent to do what is required. Add to the mix the fact we have an incompetent manager who is clearly out of his depth.

There is not s structure in place to be able to sign the players required and the rumours about money problems almost certainly means players will be sold before they are bought. This will lead to panic signings of inexperienced players or players past their sell by date. (Probably on loans or cut price deals).

What has happened at Rovers in the space of 12 months will take years to repair and that will only be possible with new owners who know what to do and go about putting the structure back in place. My biggets worry is that we could become another Portsmouth passing between foreign owners like a childs toy.

As for giving the Venkys and Kean some slack, having a 'truce', that will never work for the following reasons
1. The Venkys are probably not even thinking about coming over.
2. No 'protest' is planned for the next two games anyway.
3. Does anyone really think that if we are 2-0 down against WBA with half an hour to go all the fans will sit on their hands and keep smiling.
4. Rather than respect a fans show of unity all Kean will do is spin it round and say he has finally won the support of all the fans.

And that last point is probably why most fans would not keep quiet

Dan11 wrote:
I have got an olive branch for Venkys it is called- Put Blackburn Rovers up for sale and sell the club now.
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None of the fans like you and none of the fans want you in charge of the club.
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You have taken a well established Premier league club to the verge of administration and championship football inside the space of 1 year.
Amazing work there!!!!
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You have ripped out the heart and soul of the club by sacking the professionals in charge of the club and replacing them with inexperienced puppets.
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VENKYS OUT.
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Your actions are simply not incompetence they hide a more sinister intention.

Hear! Hear! Good post

GameRoverMan wrote:

Morst The 88th Min Heartbreaker of Dingles! wrote:
If Venkys sack Kean and appoint a manager with a "CV" to match the job which Kean never had then the problems will go away. . A quality manager will require a decent business plan and some funds to invest in Jan along with being allowed to run the football side of the club. . Venkys can you deliver on this ASAP because nothing else really matters? You have all the ammuntion you need to remove the failed Kean. ACT NOW! . 33rd.........

I agree but what manager in their right mind would want to work at the Rovers. As if working for the Venkys isn't bad enough, you have all the media speculation about not being able to pay wages. On top of that, you have our perilous league position.

Whilst pretty much any manager would be an improvement over Kean, I can't see any top class manager applying!

Good point - which is why I keep saying they will have to have a professional business plan to impress a quality manager - which must be the NO1 aim at this point? If they do have money and plans for Rovers then there is no escape for them if they don't cough up in the current situation to fund a new manager and support him in the Jan transfer market.
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I think the crwod will go ballistic on Saturday with "Kean Out" chants unless if we go behind or play badly until they solve this one simple issue.
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33rd...........

showbiz wrote:
No, no and more no. They've had plenty long enough to re-engage the fans. Actions speak louder than words and we must remember Venky's are clearly as much a part of the problem as Kean. Instead of hiding away they should man-up, get their backsides over here and sort out the mess they've created - starting with the immediate removal of Kean.

Well said, that man! Too little too late, as far as I'm concerned.
The current regime has lost the fans and NO WAY will I accept them now or ever. GET OUT NOW!

It is pointless fans stating Kean out Venkeys out isnt it? Who is going to purchase the club if the Venkeys try to sell it now?
I am a realist and the only way forward is to hope Mr Battersby and his partner can get through to the Venkeys to take the action required to turn things around.

All of those saying Venkys out have to ask themselves, who do they think would buy the club? The Walker Trust found it difficult when it was a well run concern. There may be some group ready to move in and strip out what cash value remains. I don't know. Kean out. Again, who would be desperate enough to come? I'm sure Phil Brown would throw his hat in the ring and there could be others, Steve Bruce(perhaps), Steve McLaren (perhaps), ..... Would that make the fans happy? The club needs stabilising. I don't know whether or not the present regime can do that. I can't predict the future unlike some who write on here. It's a nice try lads, but a few reasonable results are the key to improving matters and that's down to the players and coaching staff.

It would be better if Venkys said now that if Rovers do not get another 8 points on the board by 2nd January the Manager will be replaced - no ifs and buts

That would allow the supporters to cheer the team on in three winnable home games. If the Manager team can not do that then change the Manager immediately.

Protests are dividing the fans and not serving the clubs best interests. We all want Rovers in the Premier League next season so let us try a Christmas truce and give Venkys no reason to doubt the loyalty and best intentions of all supporters.

NO NO NO
No truce. These clowns and their puppet Kean have brought everything on themselves.
From the moment Sam was shown the door nothing they have done has been positive.
It has all been rubbish and lies. Not one statement or promise that has been made has been kept, either by them or Kean the puppet. There has never been any meaningful dialogue with anybody. They have shown incompetence and treated the fans as an irritant from day one. Kean is the only member of Rovers staff who has any authority to open his mouth (God help us!) so no one at the club can help to improve communications with supporters. And on top of that they have spent less than they received for Phil Jones. Nothing that they or Kean say will ever be seen as truth.

100% for the players

0% for Kean and Venky's

What company does Ian Battersby have ?

Just wanted to know ?

If venkys want to start again and run this football club properly they will have to start by making a major gesture to try and start restoring confidence and that is to remove Steve Kean as manager with immediate effect. Nothing less is acceptable. Then they need to rebuild a credible infrastructure that understands this club and the supporter base. I would love to see john Williams back at the helm. In relation to a new manager who would come here with venkys current performance and credibility in the football world? We need a true friend and servant of our club to come in with some investment to get the team playing and winning again. My best Christmas present would be to see a true rovers man in that dug out - tony parks

lusorover wrote:
Had the protesters not backed the owners into a situation where they could not take the necessary remedial action without losing face Kean would have been sacked ages ago.

Sadly those people who professed to be acting for 'the majority' did not possess the necessary inteliigence or strategic nous to understand this and their self-agrandissement will lead to the relegation of our Club.

Whatever Venkys may be they are not stupid and they would not have tolerated Kean's failures if it had not been for the actions of a small number of fans who have backed them into a corner.

Those fans will need to live with the fact that it is they, as much as Kean, who have led the Club to the brink of the loss of Premier-league status which is unlikely ever to be regained given the inevitable upheaval and financial losses which will ensue.

Get well soon !

Facts are

Venkys do not have to listen to anyone - it is their business what they do with Rovers - like it or not

Football differs from other service industries in that the football fan is a fan of a particlar club - how many here wouold swap supporting Rovers and switch to Burnley

Do not get me wrong I am not happy I would like to see changes but the reality is that can only come through Venkys . Will Venkys be there on Saturday and Tuesday I think not. If you were Venkys and you were getting poor press would you bend over backwards to and out money into Rovers?

We are in limbo until Venkys act or Rovers go out of business and then would the protests have achieve what we want? the nightmare is Venkys but they hold the purse strings!!

Why should we listen to either of these two!?! If they were that big Rovers fans they wouldn't be using this crisis as an excuse to put themselves and their business in to the public eye! Keep going to games and keep protesting I say! Kean must go! Venky's must go! And I am not having it that the protests affect matters on the pitch because the two times the protests have been loudest we got our only two league wins of the season!

If Venkys do actually own the club, this is a summary of their tenure so far........

1...Buy Rovers and tell the fans they are paying off the clubs debt.

2......Tell said fans we are going for Beckham or Ronaldiniho as a marquee signing, and that we are aiming for the Champions League.

3.....Ruthlessly sack a proven respected premier league manager with a wealth of premier league experience, sack all of his backroom staff at a massive cost

4......Employ Coach with no managerial experience whatsoever and bring in a assistant that has never met said coach.

5........Force out both the CEO and secretary.

6........After narrowly avoiding relegation sell/release or send back to parent club 14 players, saving millions per season on wages and bringing in 24million plus (Jones is now worth 30million plus and Kalinic has scored 9 goals in twelve games)

7.....Replace these players with the likes of Myles Anderson and Ribero at a fraction of the cost

8......say that Steve Kean is "unsackable" and after a shocking run of results give him a pay rise

9 ......Allow Mr Kean to goad the fans and then ridicule and belittle them in the media.

10....Sit back and do nothing, let the fans turn against one another and allow the club to slip into chaos.

Well done, you have managed to ruin a very well run club in only 12 months.

You have not invested any money, weakend both our boardroom and playing staff, not paid off the debt you promised you would and have given us the worst manager in our history.


Merry Christmas...........
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Sherwoodforest wrote:
If Venkys do actually own the club, this is a summary of their tenure so far........

1...Buy Rovers and tell the fans they are paying off the clubs debt.

2......Tell said fans we are going for Beckham or Ronaldiniho as a marquee signing, and that we are aiming for the Champions League.

3.....Ruthlessly sack a proven respected premier league manager with a wealth of premier league experience, sack all of his backroom staff at a massive cost

4......Employ Coach with no managerial experience whatsoever and bring in a assistant that has never met said coach.

5........Force out both the CEO and secretary.

6........After narrowly avoiding relegation sell/release or send back to parent club 14 players, saving millions per season on wages and bringing in 24million plus (Jones is now worth 30million plus and Kalinic has scored 9 goals in twelve games)

7.....Replace these players with the likes of Myles Anderson and Ribero at a fraction of the cost

8......say that Steve Kean is "unsackable" and after a shocking run of results give him a pay rise

9 ......Allow Mr Kean to goad the fans and then ridicule and belittle them in the media.

10....Sit back and do nothing, let the fans turn against one another and allow the club to slip into chaos.

Well done, you have managed to ruin a very well run club in only 12 months.

You have not invested any money, weakend both our boardroom and playing staff, not paid off the debt you promised you would and have given us the worst manager in our history.


Merry Christmas...........

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Pretty damning, but accurate assessment of the last 12 calamitous months.

kean will be sacked just give it,the rao brother are not to blame its MRS D.

Dukes wrote:
kean will be sacked just give it,the rao brother are not to blame its MRS D.

kean will be sacked just give it TIME,the rao brother are not to blame its MRS D.

Olive branch? As always there's a simple solution.

SACK THE KIT MAN.

Why is everyone beating around the bush? The biggest issue we have is failing to get wins in the Premier League. Install a real manager. Everything else is secondary.
-D.K.O

I'd like to take an olive branch, and stick it right up their arses! Then pull it back out!

oreilly21 wrote:

lusorover wrote:
Had the protesters not backed the owners into a situation where they could not take the necessary remedial action without losing face Kean would have been sacked ages ago. Sadly those people who professed to be acting for 'the majority' did not possess the necessary inteliigence or strategic nous to understand this and their self-agrandissement will lead to the relegation of our Club. Whatever Venkys may be they are not stupid and they would not have tolerated Kean's failures if it had not been for the actions of a small number of fans who have backed them into a corner. Those fans will need to live with the fact that it is they, as much as Kean, who have led the Club to the brink of the loss of Premier-league status which is unlikely ever to be regained given the inevitable upheaval and financial losses which will ensue.

WOW, thats a a shocking comment. i was not a supporter of the protests inside the ground all along but to say something so ludicrous is amazing.

the protests have had absolutely no bearing on Venkys decision to keep Kean on and to suggest that is ridiculous. get real will ye!!

I totally agree with you morons, the best way to get the relegation that we require is to continue booing the arse off the players as soon as they come out of the tunnel, so long may the protests continue. I think that if we all pull together and annihilate your teams confidence as soon as they come out. We can break their will and guarantee relegation, but for this to happen, we need the protests to continue. I know I will be doing my bit to send you into Burnleys open and waiting arms, for your first drubbiing by us in three decades.
Boooooooooo
Ivan the terrible

mgh567 wrote:
Why should we listen to either of these two!?! If they were that big Rovers fans they wouldn't be using this crisis as an excuse to put themselves and their business in to the public eye! Keep going to games and keep protesting I say! Kean must go! Venky's must go! And I am not having it that the protests affect matters on the pitch because the two times the protests have been loudest we got our only two league wins of the season!

I agree with you, me and my Burnley mates are coming to join in and ramp up the protests, thus guaranteeing relegation for your broken willed players.
Keep up the good work, you are doing a fine job. Maybe, between us we can ensure you are relegated come new years day, to bring in the new year, so to speak
Brilliant

Stone Island wrote:
I'd like to take an olive branch, and stick it right up their arses! Then pull it back out!

greene king - buys fernhurst

IvanDobsky wrote:

mgh567 wrote:
Why should we listen to either of these two!?! If they were that big Rovers fans they wouldn't be using this crisis as an excuse to put themselves and their business in to the public eye! Keep going to games and keep protesting I say! Kean must go! Venky's must go! And I am not having it that the protests affect matters on the pitch because the two times the protests have been loudest we got our only two league wins of the season!

I agree with you, me and my Burnley mates are coming to join in and ramp up the protests, thus guaranteeing relegation for your broken willed players.
Keep up the good work, you are doing a fine job. Maybe, between us we can ensure you are relegated come new years day, to bring in the new year, so to speak
Brilliant

shut up dumb arse

kazz wrote:
All the protests and unrest will stop as soon as they sack kean. He has been an absolute shambles and as soon as he goes everyone will start to be more positive Venkys dont need an olive branch they need a good kick up the smelly hole theirs

well said i think venkys owe fans amassive apology they have totally ignored fans, MP jack straw, local business people and ex pros like S,garner,collin hendry etc who showed concern at the way rovers were being run, an olive branch is not needed,sack kean and things may work for the better in the long term, the damage has been done now. At the beginning we all fell for the softly spoken indian accents of venkys and the dreamy story of the exciting future that lay ahead for BRFC Venkys had the blackburn public in there hands ready and willing to take these peoples words as truthful,honest but it was really nothing more than an indian snake charmers work at hand as i have said for awhile and a very professional one at that.There is no naivety from venkys just cool calculated business people running the show. Please no more of the venky butterfinger excuses. Lets face it we have been well and truly duped.We are almost at the point now were we will accept anything venkys say or do just to see some change for the better no matter how small it is anything to take this pain away. Sometimes i wonder, have venkys been playing it this way deliberately. there is a little rule that the rich and elite tend to play or create somtimes, its called Hegelian, dialectic or Paradigm, and that is Problem?-cause one,then blame it on others, Reaction?-wait for the peoples desperate reaction wait for the collapse. Then solution?-resolve the problem, by this time you will agree to anything put in front of you and you willingly forget the issue or problem you were protesting about, they offer a solution to a problem that they had originally caused. One thing for sure venkys have caused this crisis and they have left the fans to suffer for near on twelve months now, they never communicated from the very beginning,funny now we have the olive branch to cling onto hopeful venkys may come with good tidings and maybe they will offer us the solution, could we really take there word as truthful and honest again?

hasslem hasslem wrote:

Stone Island wrote:
I'd like to take an olive branch, and stick it right up their arses! Then pull it back out!

greene king - buys fernhurst

I believe so.

johnny rover wrote:
Are we expecting too much from Venky's? Don't get me wrong, they have certainly made mistakes but what other clubs' owners have dialogue with the fans? Not Man U or Man C, not Chelsea - do any Premiership owners have any meaningful relationship with fans? We have been spolit with Uncle Jack. After, the Walker Trust didn't talk to fans but we were fortunate to have the excellent John Williams who did. But John Williams was really exceptional. Do any other Chief Execs talk to fans? I think the best we can hope for is that they appoint a Chief Exec in the same mould as John Williams and liaise through him.
As for two local businessmen thinking they can negotiate some sort of truce - who do they think they are? No chance. And I am not a protestor.

At least SOMEBODY is trying to do SOMETHING. These two are well-positioned supporters and they probably have the best chance of anyone to get something done.
But, I keep saying it, Venky's are in the grip of adviser Jerome Anderson.
He's calling all the shots.

Nice self-promotion by the interviewee! I think the Venky's have had long enough. If they're are too scared to come to Ewood then they only have themselves to blame. Cowards and Liars who are only in it for the publicity and self-promotion, who employed a complete idiot as manager and now won't sack him. The day they leave the club will be a great day. Even if it means we are in League 2.

Gaz M wrote:
flyingv 1 its true venkys have been badly advised and have made a complete mess of running the club through ignorance, but to continualy run it with ignorance even though it is plainly obvious that it is being run with ignorance is unforgivable.They have had plenty of time to realise things are not working they are very successful business people yet they continue to drag their feet with an unbelievable arrogance if they cannot run the club properly as a club should be run then they should sell up and call it a day.If they wish to continue and hopefully want to turn things around then they are going to have to work very hard certainly spend heavily during the window, maybe even change the manager but whichever way they choose to go either must be done to save the club.

I keep saying it - Venky's are in the grip of adviser Jerome Anderson. He's calling all the shots.
They know absolutely nothing about football let alone running a football club

lusorover wrote:

Sherwoodforest wrote:

lusorover wrote: Had the protesters not backed the owners into a situation where they could not take the necessary remedial action without losing face Kean would have been sacked ages ago. Sadly those people who professed to be acting for 'the majority' did not possess the necessary inteliigence or strategic nous to understand this and their self-agrandissement will lead to the relegation of our Club. Whatever Venkys may be they are not stupid and they would not have tolerated Kean's failures if it had not been for the actions of a small number of fans who have backed them into a corner. Those fans will need to live with the fact that it is they, as much as Kean, who have led the Club to the brink of the loss of Premier-league status which is unlikely ever to be regained given the inevitable upheaval and financial losses which will ensue.

So you are saying the mess we are in is all the protesters fault? Behave yourself and stop posting utter tom$hittery

Of course it is not all the protesters' fault. Nobody can deny that the management of the Club is a shambles. However, it is clear that Venkys would have sacked Kean ages ago if to do so would not have led to a massive loss of face on their part. I made the observation after the first protest that the actions of the minority would cause the owners to dig their heels in and that is exactly what they have done. This was predictable and not inevitable. The protesters need to be big enough to accept the responsbility for the damage their actions have caused. If they choose to continue we will all pay the price.

Utter nonesense.
You seem to be in the inner circle to 'declare' without reservation that they would have sacked him earlier.
Sorry, but that does not wash.
If they had had anything of the sort in mind he would have gone in May/June.
The fact that, as you claim, 'pride' is in the way of doing the right thing. Again I am sorry but I have no faith or respect in anyone in the position they are in to let that get in the way of correct business critical decisions.
That says: 'hamstrung', or 'weak'.

roverfor60years wrote:

Gaz M wrote:
flyingv 1 its true venkys have been badly advised and have made a complete mess of running the club through ignorance, but to continualy run it with ignorance even though it is plainly obvious that it is being run with ignorance is unforgivable.They have had plenty of time to realise things are not working they are very successful business people yet they continue to drag their feet with an unbelievable arrogance if they cannot run the club properly as a club should be run then they should sell up and call it a day.If they wish to continue and hopefully want to turn things around then they are going to have to work very hard certainly spend heavily during the window, maybe even change the manager but whichever way they choose to go either must be done to save the club.

I keep saying it - Venky's are in the grip of adviser Jerome Anderson. He's calling all the shots.
They know absolutely nothing about football let alone running a football club

spot on

oreilly21 wrote:

lusorover wrote:
Had the protesters not backed the owners into a situation where they could not take the necessary remedial action without losing face Kean would have been sacked ages ago. Sadly those people who professed to be acting for 'the majority' did not possess the necessary inteliigence or strategic nous to understand this and their self-agrandissement will lead to the relegation of our Club. Whatever Venkys may be they are not stupid and they would not have tolerated Kean's failures if it had not been for the actions of a small number of fans who have backed them into a corner. Those fans will need to live with the fact that it is they, as much as Kean, who have led the Club to the brink of the loss of Premier-league status which is unlikely ever to be regained given the inevitable upheaval and financial losses which will ensue.

WOW, thats a a shocking comment. i was not a supporter of the protests inside the ground all along but to say something so ludicrous is amazing.

the protests have had absolutely no bearing on Venkys decision to keep Kean on and to suggest that is ridiculous. get real will ye!!

Not really, he has a point. A concerted effort may have been all the difference to make the Venkys listen. Your refusal to participate in the protests along with others could well be the deciding factor that keeps Kean his job, and the reason we eventually go down.

Action speaks volumes i hear the fans tell Venkys.. But this applies to the fans too. A concerted effort the protests were not, the ones who dont participate are contributing to Keans defense.

mgh567 wrote:
Why should we listen to either of these two!?! If they were that big Rovers fans they wouldn't be using this crisis as an excuse to put themselves and their business in to the public eye! Keep going to games and keep protesting I say! Kean must go! Venky's must go! And I am not having it that the protests affect matters on the pitch because the two times the protests have been loudest we got our only two league wins of the season!

Agree with you, to late for me and probably afew others. Why didnt we get a full brief on this meeting with venkys when they traveled to india in october?

bring back the good old days wrote:

lusorover wrote:

Sherwoodforest wrote:

lusorover wrote: Had the protesters not backed the owners into a situation where they could not take the necessary remedial action without losing face Kean would have been sacked ages ago. Sadly those people who professed to be acting for 'the majority' did not possess the necessary inteliigence or strategic nous to understand this and their self-agrandissement will lead to the relegation of our Club. Whatever Venkys may be they are not stupid and they would not have tolerated Kean's failures if it had not been for the actions of a small number of fans who have backed them into a corner. Those fans will need to live with the fact that it is they, as much as Kean, who have led the Club to the brink of the loss of Premier-league status which is unlikely ever to be regained given the inevitable upheaval and financial losses which will ensue.

So you are saying the mess we are in is all the protesters fault? Behave yourself and stop posting utter tom$hittery

Of course it is not all the protesters' fault. Nobody can deny that the management of the Club is a shambles. However, it is clear that Venkys would have sacked Kean ages ago if to do so would not have led to a massive loss of face on their part. I made the observation after the first protest that the actions of the minority would cause the owners to dig their heels in and that is exactly what they have done. This was predictable and not inevitable. The protesters need to be big enough to accept the responsbility for the damage their actions have caused. If they choose to continue we will all pay the price.

Utter nonesense.
You seem to be in the inner circle to 'declare' without reservation that they would have sacked him earlier.
Sorry, but that does not wash.
If they had had anything of the sort in mind he would have gone in May/June.
The fact that, as you claim, 'pride' is in the way of doing the right thing. Again I am sorry but I have no faith or respect in anyone in the position they are in to let that get in the way of correct business critical decisions.
That says: 'hamstrung', or 'weak'.

I believe lusorover was one of the staunchest members of the Steve Kean fanclub and still has a bit of an axe to grind with those who were critical of him (correctly, as history has shown).

It is simply ludicrous to blame our current mess on the protesters or any section of the fans. Look at our results before the protests begun. Just as bad if not worse.
-D.K.O

lusorover wrote:

Sherwoodforest wrote:

lusorover wrote:
Had the protesters not backed the owners into a situation where they could not take the necessary remedial action without losing face Kean would have been sacked ages ago.

Sadly those people who professed to be acting for 'the majority' did not possess the necessary inteliigence or strategic nous to understand this and their self-agrandissement will lead to the relegation of our Club.

Whatever Venkys may be they are not stupid and they would not have tolerated Kean's failures if it had not been for the actions of a small number of fans who have backed them into a corner.

Those fans will need to live with the fact that it is they, as much as Kean, who have led the Club to the brink of the loss of Premier-league status which is unlikely ever to be regained given the inevitable upheaval and financial losses which will ensue.

So you are saying the mess we are in is all the protesters fault? Behave yourself and stop posting utter tom$hittery

Of course it is not all the protesters' fault. Nobody can deny that the management of the Club is a shambles.

However, it is clear that Venkys would have sacked Kean ages ago if to do so would not have led to a massive loss of face on their part.

I made the observation after the first protest that the actions of the minority would cause the owners to dig their heels in and that is exactly what they have done.

This was predictable and not inevitable. The protesters need to be big enough to accept the responsbility for the damage their actions have caused. If they choose to continue we will all pay the price.

All you have confimrmed if your assumptions are correct is Venkys are stubborn as well as stupid.

nil bye mouth wrote:
This smacks of sheer DESPERATION its a bloody football club for crying out loud,so what if you get relegated ?.Its not the end of the world you have punched well above your weight for years, i know there aint a lot in t Blackburn to be proud of and i have to admit it is a terrible place to live but just think of the joy us clarets are having at your expense you really have given us a great 12 months your club is a national laughing stock and the thought of relegation absolutley scares you to death because you know it will mean financial oblivion and your£200 season tickets will be a distant memory as i have said before brfc a club with no class now uncle jack has gone and well you know it you skanks.

Another for the ditty,
nil bye mouth,
He's a DINGLE DANGLE DINGLE, with a floppy claret hat, he talks alot of s#*t and he is a proper tw@t.

mgh567 wrote:
Why should we listen to either of these two!?! If they were that big Rovers fans they wouldn't be using this crisis as an excuse to put themselves and their business in to the public eye! Keep going to games and keep protesting I say! Kean must go! Venky's must go! And I am not having it that the protests affect matters on the pitch because the two times the protests have been loudest we got our only two league wins of the season!

Good point about the protests not effecting the outcome of the games, I think the Kean out venkys out chants during a game will take care of them self depending on how the game is panning out a lot of fans are a bit uneasy in joining in the chants because they don't want confrontation with other fans but when you get a situation where lets say WBA take the lead the normal response is of anger and you don't give a sh*t if your upsetting anyone and thats why its at it's loudest IMO

You would have thought that had the owners had any intentions (or know-how) of running the club in a professional manner fitting of a Premier league they would have made the neccessary moves over the last 12 months.
It sure is wishful thinking in the season of peace & goodwill...yet I cannot see them coming through with
1) "cash" to make the Bank(s) happy
2) "cash" to introduce 2/3 player in January that will provide an "INSTANT" impact so desperately needed now
3) through "action" be seen to be listening to the fans and club sponsors.
4) Instantly give credit and clear intentions by getting rid the club of our super twit "Muffet Man" Kean.
5) RETAINING THE QUALITY PLAYERS AND GETTING RID OF THE "NO HOPERS".
Thinking along the lines of Roberts, Dunn, Grella etc.....imagine the savings on the wage bill that could be better spent !!!!

People on here will look silly in February, when we are in the top 10. Also, where have all you muppets come from who don't even live in Blackburn. Support your local teams you glory hunters.

Yep the mind boggles, Kean also stated he wants new players in early to be hitting the ground running not a cat in hells chance.

Livesey rover wrote:
People on here will look silly in February, when we are in the top 10. Also, where have all you muppets come from who don't even live in Blackburn. Support your local teams you glory hunters.

sk go to bed you have a long day tomoz

Friends Blackburnians, citizens! Lend me your ears,
I come to bury Kean and Venkeys not to praise them,
The evil that men do lives after them,
The good is often interred with their bones.
So let it be with Kean and Venkeys.
(aside: for there was not enough good to shove under one Ewood turf).
The noble Kean has told you that Venkeys were ambitious.
If it were so (for Rovers) it would have been no bad thing.
Here, not under leave of Kean and the rest
For Kean is an honourable man
So are they all. all honourable men (and woman).
Come, I speak in the lead up to Rovers’ funeral
Rovers was our Club, faithful and true to fans.
It was our club.
But Keane said Venkeys were ambitious
And Kean is an honourable man.
They promised many glories home to Rovers
Which coffers did the promises fill?
Did this in Kean seem ambitious?
When the poor (fans) have cried
Did not Venkeys weep?
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff!
You all did see that on Ewood’s fair soil
We thrice (at least) presented them a chance to rule well.
Which they did thrice (at least) refuse. Was this ambition?
Yet Kean says they are ambitious ..
And, sure, he is an honourable man.
I speak not to disprove what Venkeys spoke,
But here I am to speak what I know.
You all did love Rovers once,
What cause withholds you then to mourn the club?
O judgement, thou art fled to brutish beasts (and money men)
And men have lost their reason. Bear with me!
My heart is in the coffin, there with Rovers
And I must pause til it comes back to me.

(Apologies to Bill Shakspeare.)

Sorry about misspelling Venky's. Hope they don't mind.

Morst The 88th Min Heartbreaker of Dingles! wrote:
If Venkys sack Kean and appoint a manager with a "CV" to match the job which Kean never had then the problems will go away.
.
A quality manager will require a decent business plan and some funds to invest in Jan along with being allowed to run the football side of the club.
.
Venkys can you deliver on this ASAP because nothing else really matters? You have all the ammuntion you need to remove the failed Kean. ACT NOW!
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33rd.........

Who then? C'mon who should be our next manager?