Venky’s hire PR firm to improve image

First published in Sport Lancashire Telegraph: Photograph of the Author by , Blackburn Rovers reporter

BLACKBURN Rovers’ under fire owners Venky’s have hired a London public relations firm in an attempt to improve their media coverage.

After a series of PR disasters during their Rovers regime, Venky’s have called on The Sports PR Company to drive the way the club handle the press.

The Sports PR Company were involved in dealing with the publicity surrounding the appointment of new boss Michael Appleton and are understood to have been signed up until the summer initially.

The company’s website boasts of ‘pro active and reactive PR services’, ‘profile building and image protecting’, ‘assistance in seeking sponsorship deals’ and ‘media training for clients’.

Tellingly, they also have experience of ‘crisis management’, including helping handle the coverage of Fabrice Muamba’s heart failure and rugby player Matt Stevens’ drug scandal.

Clients the company have worked with include Didier Drogba, Theo Walcott and former England star David Beckham.

Venky’s are understood to be concerned about the negative press they have been getting over their running of Rovers, with a large section of the Ewood Park faithful angry about their role in the club’s slide into the Championship.

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8:06am Mon 14 Jan 13

A Darener says...

All the publicity in the world will not undo the damage the Venky's have done to the reputation of Blackburn Rovers. The only answer to the problem is for the Venky's to GET OUT!
All the publicity in the world will not undo the damage the Venky's have done to the reputation of Blackburn Rovers. The only answer to the problem is for the Venky's to GET OUT! A Darener
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8:12am Mon 14 Jan 13

greenscreener says...

Isn't Paul Agnew a PR genius with his own PR consultancy ?

How much does it say about our own dog that we have to hire someone elses to bark for us ?
Isn't Paul Agnew a PR genius with his own PR consultancy ? How much does it say about our own dog that we have to hire someone elses to bark for us ? greenscreener
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8:14am Mon 14 Jan 13

A Darener says...

"Paul Agnew a PR genius! How would anybody know? his PR efforts have been non existent since he came to the Rovers.
"Paul Agnew a PR genius! How would anybody know? his PR efforts have been non existent since he came to the Rovers. A Darener
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8:17am Mon 14 Jan 13

greenscreener says...

A Darener wrote:
"Paul Agnew a PR genius! How would anybody know? his PR efforts have been non existent since he came to the Rovers.
Exactly, he probably doesn't know about this announcement yet either !
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: "Paul Agnew a PR genius! How would anybody know? his PR efforts have been non existent since he came to the Rovers.[/p][/quote]Exactly, he probably doesn't know about this announcement yet either ! greenscreener
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8:18am Mon 14 Jan 13

crankitup says...

Thats right hire someone to put a positive spin on the debacle you have caused, put up some cash for players, scabby minge out. C'mon you blues
Thats right hire someone to put a positive spin on the debacle you have caused, put up some cash for players, scabby minge out. C'mon you blues crankitup
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8:18am Mon 14 Jan 13

RobbyRover says...

I'll help you Venky's;

Sack Agnew, Shaw and Singh
Crawl on your hands and knees to John Williams and ask him to come back and run the club. Tom Finn and Martin Goodman would also help.
Apologise to the fans.

You can have that for free!
I'll help you Venky's; Sack Agnew, Shaw and Singh Crawl on your hands and knees to John Williams and ask him to come back and run the club. Tom Finn and Martin Goodman would also help. Apologise to the fans. You can have that for free! RobbyRover
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8:24am Mon 14 Jan 13

Hampshire Rover says...

My horse has bolted but don't worry I've closed the stable door now!
My horse has bolted but don't worry I've closed the stable door now! Hampshire Rover
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8:36am Mon 14 Jan 13

lusorover says...

Good to know that they recognise that they have got problems and that they are doing something about it.

Better late than never.
Good to know that they recognise that they have got problems and that they are doing something about it. Better late than never. lusorover
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8:40am Mon 14 Jan 13

srvp28 says...

I'm just waiting for them to unveil Max Clifford. Kerry Katona will probably be the new face of Venky's...
I'm just waiting for them to unveil Max Clifford. Kerry Katona will probably be the new face of Venky's... srvp28
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8:42am Mon 14 Jan 13

Is Eckersley playing? says...

You really couldn't make it up. They'll spend money on anything, apparently, except what is required - an established manager and decent players. Will they EVER learn? No.
You really couldn't make it up. They'll spend money on anything, apparently, except what is required - an established manager and decent players. Will they EVER learn? No. Is Eckersley playing?
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8:42am Mon 14 Jan 13

hasslem hasslem says...

Experts in crisis management?

Worked on the Muamba case - fair enough, but the stuff about Muamba - was effectively managing a good news story (once he was over the worst). Most of the early stuff surrounded Owen Coyle standing outside the hospital every day giving updates on Muamba's condition.....nobody with any sense or heart wanted anything bad to happen to Fabrice (apart from the obvious trolls and meatheads)

Rovers' case is much more complicated and is exacerbated by the fact that outside of a small part of NE Lancs - nobody really gives a toss and are, quite rightly, laughing at us, the club and particularly venkys.....the only sympathy comes from those who realise it could quite easily be them next.

all any PR company in this instance (and i write with experience of the medium) can do is, at best, paper over the cracks.- it is not crisis management at rovers, it is damage limitation.

are you seriously telling me that the adams family would listen to any advice from a london PR when making (or not making decisions)? why would the Sports PR Company have any more sway than any of the other pretenders that pollute our beloved club?

what is needed is not PR - but a radical overhaul of all the key execs who prove that lunatics can not run an asylum, coupled with a much more decisive and strategic decision making process. clearly tweedle dee and dum are replicating the chaos they engendered at PNE and layered on top of that you have the cherry on the cake (or at least the red nose) that is charlie careloli (IS HE STILL WITH US? NOBODY KNOWS) - perhaps that is the first question our expert PR can deal with

as others have already mentioned - isn't agnew meant to incorporate PR as his business (in)competencies? WTF has he been doing for the last 26 months then? if the loons in pune feel the need to recruit a PR - then surely it calls into question agnew's role and represents an opportunity to sack him (WITH NO COMPO) for breach of contract and try to let him sue us.

realistically what rovers needs right now - is a couple of experienced pragmatic people with a knowledge of how the football game works to come in to the club - do a "drains up" exercise of all things smelly, be empowered to make critical decisions, bang loads of heads together and start to get a grip in making this club a well organised and proud club once more....say someone like tom finn and john williams...just a thought.
Experts in crisis management? Worked on the Muamba case - fair enough, but the stuff about Muamba - was effectively managing a good news story (once he was over the worst). Most of the early stuff surrounded Owen Coyle standing outside the hospital every day giving updates on Muamba's condition.....nobody with any sense or heart wanted anything bad to happen to Fabrice (apart from the obvious trolls and meatheads) Rovers' case is much more complicated and is exacerbated by the fact that outside of a small part of NE Lancs - nobody really gives a toss and are, quite rightly, laughing at us, the club and particularly venkys.....the only sympathy comes from those who realise it could quite easily be them next. all any PR company in this instance (and i write with experience of the medium) can do is, at best, paper over the cracks.- it is not crisis management at rovers, it is damage limitation. are you seriously telling me that the adams family would listen to any advice from a london PR when making (or not making decisions)? why would the Sports PR Company have any more sway than any of the other pretenders that pollute our beloved club? what is needed is not PR - but a radical overhaul of all the key execs who prove that lunatics can not run an asylum, coupled with a much more decisive and strategic decision making process. clearly tweedle dee and dum are replicating the chaos they engendered at PNE and layered on top of that you have the cherry on the cake (or at least the red nose) that is charlie careloli (IS HE STILL WITH US? NOBODY KNOWS) - perhaps that is the first question our expert PR can deal with as others have already mentioned - isn't agnew meant to incorporate PR as his business (in)competencies? WTF has he been doing for the last 26 months then? if the loons in pune feel the need to recruit a PR - then surely it calls into question agnew's role and represents an opportunity to sack him (WITH NO COMPO) for breach of contract and try to let him sue us. realistically what rovers needs right now - is a couple of experienced pragmatic people with a knowledge of how the football game works to come in to the club - do a "drains up" exercise of all things smelly, be empowered to make critical decisions, bang loads of heads together and start to get a grip in making this club a well organised and proud club once more....say someone like tom finn and john williams...just a thought. hasslem hasslem
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8:46am Mon 14 Jan 13

ChrisDeBerg says...

How about hiring a decent scout (NOT SHABBY). Hire a director that doesnt offer manager jobs to mates, but offers jobs to people who are best for the club. Hire a PR director that actually does something (and sack the old one). Simply SACK SHEBBY SINGH, he brings absolutely nothing to the club!.... All things that should be done before you hire a PR company down in London to milk some more money out of you! Sheeesh Venkys, how is your chicken company still running? You have the business knowledge of a 2 year old! No, as a matter of fact, my 2 year old would make better business decisions than you!

RTID
How about hiring a decent scout (NOT SHABBY). Hire a director that doesnt offer manager jobs to mates, but offers jobs to people who are best for the club. Hire a PR director that actually does something (and sack the old one). Simply SACK SHEBBY SINGH, he brings absolutely nothing to the club!.... All things that should be done before you hire a PR company down in London to milk some more money out of you! Sheeesh Venkys, how is your chicken company still running? You have the business knowledge of a 2 year old! No, as a matter of fact, my 2 year old would make better business decisions than you! RTID ChrisDeBerg
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8:54am Mon 14 Jan 13

A Rover 45 years and over says...

What a load of Tosh if they ran the Club like a normal one and stopped making stupid mistakes and shut Shebby up there would be no need for a PR firm. Another crazy idea that other Clubs don't need to employ and they will laugh at this big style.
What a load of Tosh if they ran the Club like a normal one and stopped making stupid mistakes and shut Shebby up there would be no need for a PR firm. Another crazy idea that other Clubs don't need to employ and they will laugh at this big style. A Rover 45 years and over
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8:56am Mon 14 Jan 13

bburnrover says...

Well Karl Oyston has just called Blackburn a "shipwreck" that has affected the stabilityof his club and who could disagree except the poor tangerine supporters who think he should pay a decent wage and retain his players and manager and even attract Barnsleyslowest paid player which he couldn't achieve.
I agree that we are a disaster and a joke football club so wonder how a PR company can change peoples perspective of us unless the team starts winning as respect comes from the way we play and success on the field.Barcelona are the best respected club and its basedon good management.buying top players.attitude.pro
fessionalism,coachin
g etc etc but all that comes from the top and it is the organisation of the club which holds it all together.Unfortunate
ly if Mrs Desai continues to run the club from India in such a fire fighting fashion employing idiots like Shebby she will only reap what she has sown and that is a losing side and a massive financial tombstone.
Well Karl Oyston has just called Blackburn a "shipwreck" that has affected the stabilityof his club and who could disagree except the poor tangerine supporters who think he should pay a decent wage and retain his players and manager and even attract Barnsleyslowest paid player which he couldn't achieve. I agree that we are a disaster and a joke football club so wonder how a PR company can change peoples perspective of us unless the team starts winning as respect comes from the way we play and success on the field.Barcelona are the best respected club and its basedon good management.buying top players.attitude.pro fessionalism,coachin g etc etc but all that comes from the top and it is the organisation of the club which holds it all together.Unfortunate ly if Mrs Desai continues to run the club from India in such a fire fighting fashion employing idiots like Shebby she will only reap what she has sown and that is a losing side and a massive financial tombstone. bburnrover
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9:01am Mon 14 Jan 13

Stone Island: says...

Too little too late, i'm afraid. The damage done is irreparable. They haven't got one major decision right, in over two calamitous years.

I for one can never forgive them, for turning our once proud club into a complete shambles, and laughing stock.
Too little too late, i'm afraid. The damage done is irreparable. They haven't got one major decision right, in over two calamitous years. I for one can never forgive them, for turning our once proud club into a complete shambles, and laughing stock. Stone Island:
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9:03am Mon 14 Jan 13

A Darener says...

The public relations exercise required is for te Venky' to listen to the fans. For the last two years they have ignored every comment made by the fans, either via supporters groups, by email, or on this site.
They have constantly been told....Get rid of Kean, ignored, until it was too late. Get an experienced manager in, ignored. Spend money on players capable of getting us out of this division, ignored. etc. etc.
The public relations exercise required is for te Venky' to listen to the fans. For the last two years they have ignored every comment made by the fans, either via supporters groups, by email, or on this site. They have constantly been told....Get rid of Kean, ignored, until it was too late. Get an experienced manager in, ignored. Spend money on players capable of getting us out of this division, ignored. etc. etc. A Darener
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9:04am Mon 14 Jan 13

katrew says...

Venky's really are idiots. They can hire all the PR firms in the country and there standing with the fans wouldn't improve. They have lost the support of a large section of the supporter base and the town in general. This will not improve and the best thing they could do would be to sell the club and go
Venky's really are idiots. They can hire all the PR firms in the country and there standing with the fans wouldn't improve. They have lost the support of a large section of the supporter base and the town in general. This will not improve and the best thing they could do would be to sell the club and go katrew
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9:11am Mon 14 Jan 13

OnePostThenTheOther says...

Great, professional BS merchants located in a back street of London's West End: promotion is nailed on and it can now only be a matter of time before our assault on European football will commence.
Great, professional BS merchants located in a back street of London's West End: promotion is nailed on and it can now only be a matter of time before our assault on European football will commence. OnePostThenTheOther
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9:12am Mon 14 Jan 13

8 Ball Deluxe says...

Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB. 8 Ball Deluxe
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9:14am Mon 14 Jan 13

nil bye mouth says...

HA HA HA Clueless classless club .A TOTAL LAUGHING STOCK.
HA HA HA Clueless classless club .A TOTAL LAUGHING STOCK. nil bye mouth
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9:23am Mon 14 Jan 13

bring back the good old days says...

LAUGHABLE.

Even now they are trying to mask their ineptness, and actual admission of failure, as a business action!!!

This is obviously a 'consultancy' excercise and for all that have been through these (the modern day phenomena) know what value they hold.
LAUGHABLE. Even now they are trying to mask their ineptness, and actual admission of failure, as a business action!!! This is obviously a 'consultancy' excercise and for all that have been through these (the modern day phenomena) know what value they hold. bring back the good old days
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9:26am Mon 14 Jan 13

bring back the good old days says...

Not under a Jack Walker would this have been necessary.
Not under a Jack Walker would this have been necessary. bring back the good old days
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9:31am Mon 14 Jan 13

Stone Island: says...

nil bye mouth wrote:
HA HA HA Clueless classless club .A TOTAL LAUGHING STOCK.
Hey nil for brains, your on the wrong pages again, you scruffy article!
[quote][p][bold]nil bye mouth[/bold] wrote: HA HA HA Clueless classless club .A TOTAL LAUGHING STOCK.[/p][/quote]Hey nil for brains, your on the wrong pages again, you scruffy article! Stone Island:
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9:34am Mon 14 Jan 13

alphadelta says...

If your window frames are rotting, just paint them, then they'll be fine.
If your window frames are rotting, just paint them, then they'll be fine. alphadelta
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9:34am Mon 14 Jan 13

Riverside 7 says...

From AC's article it is obvious that Venkys do not rate the man they promoted to a Director of Blackburn Rovers FC - our very own Paul Agnew.

My advice to Venkys is simple - try treating the customers of Blackburn Rovers (i.e. the fans) with some respect.

Simple things such as replying to letters and emails should be standard proceedure for all UK businesses.

Over the past year I have written or sent emails to;-
1) Venkys in India,
2) our PR man Paul Agnew,
3) our Global Advisor Shebby Singh,
4) and more recently Blackburn Rovers FC direct,

- and I have not had the curtesy of one reply from any of them.

Is it any wonder why fans have turned their backs on the club when they have been ignored and treated in this way?

The LT should send the comments on this site direct to The Sports PR Company - it will save them a fortune in market research
From AC's article it is obvious that Venkys do not rate the man they promoted to a Director of Blackburn Rovers FC - our very own Paul Agnew. My advice to Venkys is simple - try treating the customers of Blackburn Rovers (i.e. the fans) with some respect. Simple things such as replying to letters and emails should be standard proceedure for all UK businesses. Over the past year I have written or sent emails to;- 1) Venkys in India, 2) our PR man Paul Agnew, 3) our Global Advisor Shebby Singh, 4) and more recently Blackburn Rovers FC direct, - and I have not had the curtesy of one reply from any of them. Is it any wonder why fans have turned their backs on the club when they have been ignored and treated in this way? The LT should send the comments on this site direct to The Sports PR Company - it will save them a fortune in market research Riverside 7
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9:36am Mon 14 Jan 13

Bazzer says...

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
I recall a headline in the early 1960s which said "Ipswich give hope to smaller clubs" - they had just won the League.With very few exceptions, the big City clubs have totally dominated since. Bar Rovers, of course. And the likes of the crazy gang at Wimbledon whose direct style, despite a lack or resources, got right up the noses of the elite.
£62 per ticket at Arsenal? Give me £20 at Wimbledon!
[quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]I recall a headline in the early 1960s which said "Ipswich give hope to smaller clubs" - they had just won the League.With very few exceptions, the big City clubs have totally dominated since. Bar Rovers, of course. And the likes of the crazy gang at Wimbledon whose direct style, despite a lack or resources, got right up the noses of the elite. £62 per ticket at Arsenal? Give me £20 at Wimbledon! Bazzer
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9:42am Mon 14 Jan 13

dangerous dave says...

The best publicity for the Venkys is to 'sack' Shaw Agnew Singh and Hendry then we might see the club going forward with some real professionals put in their place - this lot have with the Venkys support dragged the club to lower depths than ever before out with the lot of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!
The best publicity for the Venkys is to 'sack' Shaw Agnew Singh and Hendry then we might see the club going forward with some real professionals put in their place - this lot have with the Venkys support dragged the club to lower depths than ever before out with the lot of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! dangerous dave
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9:46am Mon 14 Jan 13

arteetlabore says...

PR is little more than lying, or at least concealing the truth. In this case it's like putting lipstick on a pig. Or a chicken.
PR is little more than lying, or at least concealing the truth. In this case it's like putting lipstick on a pig. Or a chicken. arteetlabore
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10:11am Mon 14 Jan 13

Tatts says...

The best and only way to improve PR is to stop making stupid decisions!
The best and only way to improve PR is to stop making stupid decisions! Tatts
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10:11am Mon 14 Jan 13

LittleRonnieHildersley says...

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.
[quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us! There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team. LittleRonnieHildersley
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10:13am Mon 14 Jan 13

Supernova531 says...

Sad really that other chairmen such as Carl Oyston are now highlighting the numerous operational frailties at Rovers, however this is inevitable and to be expected.
The fact that Rovers are engaging another pr firm when we have Agnew on board would be an indication of his impending departure in any other organisation although I am referring to organisation's who know what they are doing and of course Venkys do not fit that profile.
As I have said many times before, the organisational approach employed by Venkys in running the club is no more than a bizzare blend between Saddam Hussain and Frank Spencer.
Until they leave things will not improve no matter how many PR gurus they employ.
Sad really that other chairmen such as Carl Oyston are now highlighting the numerous operational frailties at Rovers, however this is inevitable and to be expected. The fact that Rovers are engaging another pr firm when we have Agnew on board would be an indication of his impending departure in any other organisation although I am referring to organisation's who know what they are doing and of course Venkys do not fit that profile. As I have said many times before, the organisational approach employed by Venkys in running the club is no more than a bizzare blend between Saddam Hussain and Frank Spencer. Until they leave things will not improve no matter how many PR gurus they employ. Supernova531
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10:14am Mon 14 Jan 13

Dan11 says...

The damage has already been done. By treating the fans with contempt and arrogance from the beginning and leading the freefall of the club from midtable in the Premier league to midtable in the Championship. It is a bit late now, to think about the "image" of the club.
The damage has already been done. By treating the fans with contempt and arrogance from the beginning and leading the freefall of the club from midtable in the Premier league to midtable in the Championship. It is a bit late now, to think about the "image" of the club. Dan11
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10:14am Mon 14 Jan 13

Ronaldpetercooper says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
Experts in crisis management? Worked on the Muamba case - fair enough, but the stuff about Muamba - was effectively managing a good news story (once he was over the worst). Most of the early stuff surrounded Owen Coyle standing outside the hospital every day giving updates on Muamba's condition.....nobody with any sense or heart wanted anything bad to happen to Fabrice (apart from the obvious trolls and meatheads) Rovers' case is much more complicated and is exacerbated by the fact that outside of a small part of NE Lancs - nobody really gives a toss and are, quite rightly, laughing at us, the club and particularly venkys.....the only sympathy comes from those who realise it could quite easily be them next. all any PR company in this instance (and i write with experience of the medium) can do is, at best, paper over the cracks.- it is not crisis management at rovers, it is damage limitation. are you seriously telling me that the adams family would listen to any advice from a london PR when making (or not making decisions)? why would the Sports PR Company have any more sway than any of the other pretenders that pollute our beloved club? what is needed is not PR - but a radical overhaul of all the key execs who prove that lunatics can not run an asylum, coupled with a much more decisive and strategic decision making process. clearly tweedle dee and dum are replicating the chaos they engendered at PNE and layered on top of that you have the cherry on the cake (or at least the red nose) that is charlie careloli (IS HE STILL WITH US? NOBODY KNOWS) - perhaps that is the first question our expert PR can deal with as others have already mentioned - isn't agnew meant to incorporate PR as his business (in)competencies? WTF has he been doing for the last 26 months then? if the loons in pune feel the need to recruit a PR - then surely it calls into question agnew's role and represents an opportunity to sack him (WITH NO COMPO) for breach of contract and try to let him sue us. realistically what rovers needs right now - is a couple of experienced pragmatic people with a knowledge of how the football game works to come in to the club - do a "drains up" exercise of all things smelly, be empowered to make critical decisions, bang loads of heads together and start to get a grip in making this club a well organised and proud club once more....say someone like tom finn and john williams...just a thought.
Spot on HH you have summed up our club extremely well. You could have saved the club a few bob if they had asked.
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: Experts in crisis management? Worked on the Muamba case - fair enough, but the stuff about Muamba - was effectively managing a good news story (once he was over the worst). Most of the early stuff surrounded Owen Coyle standing outside the hospital every day giving updates on Muamba's condition.....nobody with any sense or heart wanted anything bad to happen to Fabrice (apart from the obvious trolls and meatheads) Rovers' case is much more complicated and is exacerbated by the fact that outside of a small part of NE Lancs - nobody really gives a toss and are, quite rightly, laughing at us, the club and particularly venkys.....the only sympathy comes from those who realise it could quite easily be them next. all any PR company in this instance (and i write with experience of the medium) can do is, at best, paper over the cracks.- it is not crisis management at rovers, it is damage limitation. are you seriously telling me that the adams family would listen to any advice from a london PR when making (or not making decisions)? why would the Sports PR Company have any more sway than any of the other pretenders that pollute our beloved club? what is needed is not PR - but a radical overhaul of all the key execs who prove that lunatics can not run an asylum, coupled with a much more decisive and strategic decision making process. clearly tweedle dee and dum are replicating the chaos they engendered at PNE and layered on top of that you have the cherry on the cake (or at least the red nose) that is charlie careloli (IS HE STILL WITH US? NOBODY KNOWS) - perhaps that is the first question our expert PR can deal with as others have already mentioned - isn't agnew meant to incorporate PR as his business (in)competencies? WTF has he been doing for the last 26 months then? if the loons in pune feel the need to recruit a PR - then surely it calls into question agnew's role and represents an opportunity to sack him (WITH NO COMPO) for breach of contract and try to let him sue us. realistically what rovers needs right now - is a couple of experienced pragmatic people with a knowledge of how the football game works to come in to the club - do a "drains up" exercise of all things smelly, be empowered to make critical decisions, bang loads of heads together and start to get a grip in making this club a well organised and proud club once more....say someone like tom finn and john williams...just a thought.[/p][/quote]Spot on HH you have summed up our club extremely well. You could have saved the club a few bob if they had asked. Ronaldpetercooper
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10:21am Mon 14 Jan 13

lusorover says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
Experts in crisis management?

Worked on the Muamba case - fair enough, but the stuff about Muamba - was effectively managing a good news story (once he was over the worst). Most of the early stuff surrounded Owen Coyle standing outside the hospital every day giving updates on Muamba's condition.....nobody with any sense or heart wanted anything bad to happen to Fabrice (apart from the obvious trolls and meatheads)

Rovers' case is much more complicated and is exacerbated by the fact that outside of a small part of NE Lancs - nobody really gives a toss and are, quite rightly, laughing at us, the club and particularly venkys.....the only sympathy comes from those who realise it could quite easily be them next.

all any PR company in this instance (and i write with experience of the medium) can do is, at best, paper over the cracks.- it is not crisis management at rovers, it is damage limitation.

are you seriously telling me that the adams family would listen to any advice from a london PR when making (or not making decisions)? why would the Sports PR Company have any more sway than any of the other pretenders that pollute our beloved club?

what is needed is not PR - but a radical overhaul of all the key execs who prove that lunatics can not run an asylum, coupled with a much more decisive and strategic decision making process. clearly tweedle dee and dum are replicating the chaos they engendered at PNE and layered on top of that you have the cherry on the cake (or at least the red nose) that is charlie careloli (IS HE STILL WITH US? NOBODY KNOWS) - perhaps that is the first question our expert PR can deal with

as others have already mentioned - isn't agnew meant to incorporate PR as his business (in)competencies? WTF has he been doing for the last 26 months then? if the loons in pune feel the need to recruit a PR - then surely it calls into question agnew's role and represents an opportunity to sack him (WITH NO COMPO) for breach of contract and try to let him sue us.

realistically what rovers needs right now - is a couple of experienced pragmatic people with a knowledge of how the football game works to come in to the club - do a "drains up" exercise of all things smelly, be empowered to make critical decisions, bang loads of heads together and start to get a grip in making this club a well organised and proud club once more....say someone like tom finn and john williams...just a thought.
HH - it might just be that the PR firm is in place to handle the publicising of just such moves as you refer to and which you rightly say are very necessary.

Fingers crossed!
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: Experts in crisis management? Worked on the Muamba case - fair enough, but the stuff about Muamba - was effectively managing a good news story (once he was over the worst). Most of the early stuff surrounded Owen Coyle standing outside the hospital every day giving updates on Muamba's condition.....nobody with any sense or heart wanted anything bad to happen to Fabrice (apart from the obvious trolls and meatheads) Rovers' case is much more complicated and is exacerbated by the fact that outside of a small part of NE Lancs - nobody really gives a toss and are, quite rightly, laughing at us, the club and particularly venkys.....the only sympathy comes from those who realise it could quite easily be them next. all any PR company in this instance (and i write with experience of the medium) can do is, at best, paper over the cracks.- it is not crisis management at rovers, it is damage limitation. are you seriously telling me that the adams family would listen to any advice from a london PR when making (or not making decisions)? why would the Sports PR Company have any more sway than any of the other pretenders that pollute our beloved club? what is needed is not PR - but a radical overhaul of all the key execs who prove that lunatics can not run an asylum, coupled with a much more decisive and strategic decision making process. clearly tweedle dee and dum are replicating the chaos they engendered at PNE and layered on top of that you have the cherry on the cake (or at least the red nose) that is charlie careloli (IS HE STILL WITH US? NOBODY KNOWS) - perhaps that is the first question our expert PR can deal with as others have already mentioned - isn't agnew meant to incorporate PR as his business (in)competencies? WTF has he been doing for the last 26 months then? if the loons in pune feel the need to recruit a PR - then surely it calls into question agnew's role and represents an opportunity to sack him (WITH NO COMPO) for breach of contract and try to let him sue us. realistically what rovers needs right now - is a couple of experienced pragmatic people with a knowledge of how the football game works to come in to the club - do a "drains up" exercise of all things smelly, be empowered to make critical decisions, bang loads of heads together and start to get a grip in making this club a well organised and proud club once more....say someone like tom finn and john williams...just a thought.[/p][/quote]HH - it might just be that the PR firm is in place to handle the publicising of just such moves as you refer to and which you rightly say are very necessary. Fingers crossed! lusorover
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10:25am Mon 14 Jan 13

lusorover says...

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
Quite so. Reality needs to kick in. Not pleasant but that's the way it is.
[quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]Quite so. Reality needs to kick in. Not pleasant but that's the way it is. lusorover
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10:27am Mon 14 Jan 13

vicn1956 says...

You could sell anything to the loons from poon.
"I've got a pr firm that can totally change the public's perception of your club. Only cost you a few million!"

"!'ve got a formula 1 outfit run from my garage. You could put venkys on the side for a few million.Improve your image no end!"

"My son is a great footballer. You can sign him for £1 million. My fee is only £3 million!"

If venkys ran a private business like this they would go out of business in th UK. Oh..................
!!
You could sell anything to the loons from poon. "I've got a pr firm that can totally change the public's perception of your club. Only cost you a few million!" "!'ve got a formula 1 outfit run from my garage. You could put venkys on the side for a few million.Improve your image no end!" "My son is a great footballer. You can sign him for £1 million. My fee is only £3 million!" If venkys ran a private business like this they would go out of business in th UK. Oh.................. !! vicn1956
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10:32am Mon 14 Jan 13

noddymcleod says...

Sell, sell. Venkys aren't that daft, they need PR to polish their image in order to make Rovers a bit more saleable. The only PR they need is to improve their relations with us the fans and they've failed to do that. There was an initial spurt - fans to Pune, sending Shabby to shoot from the hip and con a few gullable fans - but none of it has worked.
What Venkys now need is someone to "bury the bad news" and put a gloss on a sale.
I know the dialogue from a thousand and one PR presentations.
Q. Isn''t Blackburn that rough place up North where they booh there own manager ?
A. Well no, it wasn't quite like that, you see Sheikh the club has great potential, my client Venkys just feel that it's time to move on, bu it's been a wonderful learning experience, blah, blah,etc, etc.
By the way, and I've done the media and PR circuit for yonks, never trust any company who has worked "with" in this case Drogba. Successful PR firms work "for"; working "with" means they probably stood at the back handing out drinks and snacks at some launch where they were sub-contracted.
If they're working for Venkys, they'll be cheapos.
Still, it does seem a move towards a sale.Let's hope we're still in the Championship.
I presume Venkys have told Appleton to do a Pompey, keep his eyes on the pitch and don't ask questions.
Sell, sell. Venkys aren't that daft, they need PR to polish their image in order to make Rovers a bit more saleable. The only PR they need is to improve their relations with us the fans and they've failed to do that. There was an initial spurt - fans to Pune, sending Shabby to shoot from the hip and con a few gullable fans - but none of it has worked. What Venkys now need is someone to "bury the bad news" and put a gloss on a sale. I know the dialogue from a thousand and one PR presentations. Q. Isn''t Blackburn that rough place up North where they booh there own manager ? A. Well no, it wasn't quite like that, you see Sheikh the club has great potential, my client Venkys just feel that it's time to move on, bu it's been a wonderful learning experience, blah, blah,etc, etc. By the way, and I've done the media and PR circuit for yonks, never trust any company who has worked "with" in this case Drogba. Successful PR firms work "for"; working "with" means they probably stood at the back handing out drinks and snacks at some launch where they were sub-contracted. If they're working for Venkys, they'll be cheapos. Still, it does seem a move towards a sale.Let's hope we're still in the Championship. I presume Venkys have told Appleton to do a Pompey, keep his eyes on the pitch and don't ask questions. noddymcleod
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10:42am Mon 14 Jan 13

French Rover says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
Experts in crisis management?

Worked on the Muamba case - fair enough, but the stuff about Muamba - was effectively managing a good news story (once he was over the worst). Most of the early stuff surrounded Owen Coyle standing outside the hospital every day giving updates on Muamba's condition.....nobody with any sense or heart wanted anything bad to happen to Fabrice (apart from the obvious trolls and meatheads)

Rovers' case is much more complicated and is exacerbated by the fact that outside of a small part of NE Lancs - nobody really gives a toss and are, quite rightly, laughing at us, the club and particularly venkys.....the only sympathy comes from those who realise it could quite easily be them next.

all any PR company in this instance (and i write with experience of the medium) can do is, at best, paper over the cracks.- it is not crisis management at rovers, it is damage limitation.

are you seriously telling me that the adams family would listen to any advice from a london PR when making (or not making decisions)? why would the Sports PR Company have any more sway than any of the other pretenders that pollute our beloved club?

what is needed is not PR - but a radical overhaul of all the key execs who prove that lunatics can not run an asylum, coupled with a much more decisive and strategic decision making process. clearly tweedle dee and dum are replicating the chaos they engendered at PNE and layered on top of that you have the cherry on the cake (or at least the red nose) that is charlie careloli (IS HE STILL WITH US? NOBODY KNOWS) - perhaps that is the first question our expert PR can deal with

as others have already mentioned - isn't agnew meant to incorporate PR as his business (in)competencies? WTF has he been doing for the last 26 months then? if the loons in pune feel the need to recruit a PR - then surely it calls into question agnew's role and represents an opportunity to sack him (WITH NO COMPO) for breach of contract and try to let him sue us.

realistically what rovers needs right now - is a couple of experienced pragmatic people with a knowledge of how the football game works to come in to the club - do a "drains up" exercise of all things smelly, be empowered to make critical decisions, bang loads of heads together and start to get a grip in making this club a well organised and proud club once more....say someone like tom finn and john williams...just a thought.
You were going great guns with that post Hass agreed with everything until you mentioned Williams and Finn....past glories and all that and you know as well as anyone that we have long moved on from then...and them....I suppose you would bring BFS back too...? If only to please Bazzer? :-)
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: Experts in crisis management? Worked on the Muamba case - fair enough, but the stuff about Muamba - was effectively managing a good news story (once he was over the worst). Most of the early stuff surrounded Owen Coyle standing outside the hospital every day giving updates on Muamba's condition.....nobody with any sense or heart wanted anything bad to happen to Fabrice (apart from the obvious trolls and meatheads) Rovers' case is much more complicated and is exacerbated by the fact that outside of a small part of NE Lancs - nobody really gives a toss and are, quite rightly, laughing at us, the club and particularly venkys.....the only sympathy comes from those who realise it could quite easily be them next. all any PR company in this instance (and i write with experience of the medium) can do is, at best, paper over the cracks.- it is not crisis management at rovers, it is damage limitation. are you seriously telling me that the adams family would listen to any advice from a london PR when making (or not making decisions)? why would the Sports PR Company have any more sway than any of the other pretenders that pollute our beloved club? what is needed is not PR - but a radical overhaul of all the key execs who prove that lunatics can not run an asylum, coupled with a much more decisive and strategic decision making process. clearly tweedle dee and dum are replicating the chaos they engendered at PNE and layered on top of that you have the cherry on the cake (or at least the red nose) that is charlie careloli (IS HE STILL WITH US? NOBODY KNOWS) - perhaps that is the first question our expert PR can deal with as others have already mentioned - isn't agnew meant to incorporate PR as his business (in)competencies? WTF has he been doing for the last 26 months then? if the loons in pune feel the need to recruit a PR - then surely it calls into question agnew's role and represents an opportunity to sack him (WITH NO COMPO) for breach of contract and try to let him sue us. realistically what rovers needs right now - is a couple of experienced pragmatic people with a knowledge of how the football game works to come in to the club - do a "drains up" exercise of all things smelly, be empowered to make critical decisions, bang loads of heads together and start to get a grip in making this club a well organised and proud club once more....say someone like tom finn and john williams...just a thought.[/p][/quote]You were going great guns with that post Hass agreed with everything until you mentioned Williams and Finn....past glories and all that and you know as well as anyone that we have long moved on from then...and them....I suppose you would bring BFS back too...? If only to please Bazzer? :-) French Rover
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10:55am Mon 14 Jan 13

leitchy says...

More money being thrown away by Venkys....Its amazing how much money they throw at agents, managers pay-offs, Idiots like Shebby and now a PR company.

They are being screwed all over the place by everyone....But they clearly must be earning it to be spending it....But how??

WE SHOULD USE THIS MONEY ON A TOP MANAGER AND BACKROOM STAFF.......OH AND PLAYERS !!
More money being thrown away by Venkys....Its amazing how much money they throw at agents, managers pay-offs, Idiots like Shebby and now a PR company. They are being screwed all over the place by everyone....But they clearly must be earning it to be spending it....But how?? WE SHOULD USE THIS MONEY ON A TOP MANAGER AND BACKROOM STAFF.......OH AND PLAYERS !! leitchy
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10:59am Mon 14 Jan 13

moh says...

dangerous dave wrote:
The best publicity for the Venkys is to 'sack' Shaw Agnew Singh and Hendry then we might see the club going forward with some real professionals put in their place - this lot have with the Venkys support dragged the club to lower depths than ever before out with the lot of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
I thought Agnew was responsible for PR. Is he not confident!!
[quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: The best publicity for the Venkys is to 'sack' Shaw Agnew Singh and Hendry then we might see the club going forward with some real professionals put in their place - this lot have with the Venkys support dragged the club to lower depths than ever before out with the lot of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !![/p][/quote]I thought Agnew was responsible for PR. Is he not confident!! moh
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11:07am Mon 14 Jan 13

Venk Off says...

Well done Venky's that is just what we need now ....... Someone to take the "POSITIVES" out of the cr*p .

Hold on it took us 18 months and £1.2 million to get rid of the last LIAR .

No wonder the Dingles say that Venky's are the gift that keeps giving
Well done Venky's that is just what we need now ....... Someone to take the "POSITIVES" out of the cr*p . Hold on it took us 18 months and £1.2 million to get rid of the last LIAR . No wonder the Dingles say that Venky's are the gift that keeps giving Venk Off
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11:10am Mon 14 Jan 13

Bazzer says...

French Rover wrote:
hasslem hasslem wrote: Experts in crisis management? Worked on the Muamba case - fair enough, but the stuff about Muamba - was effectively managing a good news story (once he was over the worst). Most of the early stuff surrounded Owen Coyle standing outside the hospital every day giving updates on Muamba's condition.....nobody with any sense or heart wanted anything bad to happen to Fabrice (apart from the obvious trolls and meatheads) Rovers' case is much more complicated and is exacerbated by the fact that outside of a small part of NE Lancs - nobody really gives a toss and are, quite rightly, laughing at us, the club and particularly venkys.....the only sympathy comes from those who realise it could quite easily be them next. all any PR company in this instance (and i write with experience of the medium) can do is, at best, paper over the cracks.- it is not crisis management at rovers, it is damage limitation. are you seriously telling me that the adams family would listen to any advice from a london PR when making (or not making decisions)? why would the Sports PR Company have any more sway than any of the other pretenders that pollute our beloved club? what is needed is not PR - but a radical overhaul of all the key execs who prove that lunatics can not run an asylum, coupled with a much more decisive and strategic decision making process. clearly tweedle dee and dum are replicating the chaos they engendered at PNE and layered on top of that you have the cherry on the cake (or at least the red nose) that is charlie careloli (IS HE STILL WITH US? NOBODY KNOWS) - perhaps that is the first question our expert PR can deal with as others have already mentioned - isn't agnew meant to incorporate PR as his business (in)competencies? WTF has he been doing for the last 26 months then? if the loons in pune feel the need to recruit a PR - then surely it calls into question agnew's role and represents an opportunity to sack him (WITH NO COMPO) for breach of contract and try to let him sue us. realistically what rovers needs right now - is a couple of experienced pragmatic people with a knowledge of how the football game works to come in to the club - do a "drains up" exercise of all things smelly, be empowered to make critical decisions, bang loads of heads together and start to get a grip in making this club a well organised and proud club once more....say someone like tom finn and john williams...just a thought.
You were going great guns with that post Hass agreed with everything until you mentioned Williams and Finn....past glories and all that and you know as well as anyone that we have long moved on from then...and them....I suppose you would bring BFS back too...? If only to please Bazzer? :-)
FR...with John Williams shoulder to shoulder with Big Sam in the stands I always thought we were a good bet to stay in the top flight. Others thought otherwise......
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: Experts in crisis management? Worked on the Muamba case - fair enough, but the stuff about Muamba - was effectively managing a good news story (once he was over the worst). Most of the early stuff surrounded Owen Coyle standing outside the hospital every day giving updates on Muamba's condition.....nobody with any sense or heart wanted anything bad to happen to Fabrice (apart from the obvious trolls and meatheads) Rovers' case is much more complicated and is exacerbated by the fact that outside of a small part of NE Lancs - nobody really gives a toss and are, quite rightly, laughing at us, the club and particularly venkys.....the only sympathy comes from those who realise it could quite easily be them next. all any PR company in this instance (and i write with experience of the medium) can do is, at best, paper over the cracks.- it is not crisis management at rovers, it is damage limitation. are you seriously telling me that the adams family would listen to any advice from a london PR when making (or not making decisions)? why would the Sports PR Company have any more sway than any of the other pretenders that pollute our beloved club? what is needed is not PR - but a radical overhaul of all the key execs who prove that lunatics can not run an asylum, coupled with a much more decisive and strategic decision making process. clearly tweedle dee and dum are replicating the chaos they engendered at PNE and layered on top of that you have the cherry on the cake (or at least the red nose) that is charlie careloli (IS HE STILL WITH US? NOBODY KNOWS) - perhaps that is the first question our expert PR can deal with as others have already mentioned - isn't agnew meant to incorporate PR as his business (in)competencies? WTF has he been doing for the last 26 months then? if the loons in pune feel the need to recruit a PR - then surely it calls into question agnew's role and represents an opportunity to sack him (WITH NO COMPO) for breach of contract and try to let him sue us. realistically what rovers needs right now - is a couple of experienced pragmatic people with a knowledge of how the football game works to come in to the club - do a "drains up" exercise of all things smelly, be empowered to make critical decisions, bang loads of heads together and start to get a grip in making this club a well organised and proud club once more....say someone like tom finn and john williams...just a thought.[/p][/quote]You were going great guns with that post Hass agreed with everything until you mentioned Williams and Finn....past glories and all that and you know as well as anyone that we have long moved on from then...and them....I suppose you would bring BFS back too...? If only to please Bazzer? :-)[/p][/quote]FR...with John Williams shoulder to shoulder with Big Sam in the stands I always thought we were a good bet to stay in the top flight. Others thought otherwise...... Bazzer
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11:10am Mon 14 Jan 13

hasslem hasslem says...

frenchie - in fairness i said "someone like" i know there is a not a snowflake's (topical reference for me as there is 6" outside my kitchen door as i type) chance in hades that willams or finn would come back under the current regime - they would not and the venkys would not...so that is a dead duck.

there are other experienced football administrators around who are competent and not afraid to make the correct decisions - it doesn't have to be W&F.

I have had a limited experience of the preston 2 in a previous life when myself and two other directors of the company i worked for were approached to work with PNE on a couple of projects - and found them unprepared for the meetings and (let's be polite) disappointing in their contribution in the discussions. needless to say we turned down the opportunity.

and mr/mrs 8 ball - sure enough there was debt in the club - but that debt was managed and unlike other prem lower league clubs stable (cf fulham, weztam, wigan, bolton, dirties, pompey, leicester, villa, boro wolves and even the likes of everton and liverpool) throughout the 2000-12 period that we were in premiership

regrettably the debt was serviced by the selling off of our jewels but the club traded on this and was able to keep our gearing under control. the key issue was our tunrover/wages percentage which because of the size of the club was too high.....compare this to the turnover/wages ratio now and the way the debt level is and will be spiralling. W&F were even able to manage compo for the management who exited the club (ex Ince) with Souness and Hughes netting good revenue - heaven's to betsy Hughes even managed to play the game by purchasing RSC for an inflated fee to Citeh.....compare that to :
compo for Allardyce, stupid contract and compo for Kean, one assumes the same for F&W (plus other execs), Black, Mimms etc, Berg and a bit to Blackpool for Appleton.

crisis manage that if you can - The Sports PR Company if you can.
frenchie - in fairness i said "someone like" i know there is a not a snowflake's (topical reference for me as there is 6" outside my kitchen door as i type) chance in hades that willams or finn would come back under the current regime - they would not and the venkys would not...so that is a dead duck. there are other experienced football administrators around who are competent and not afraid to make the correct decisions - it doesn't have to be W&F. I have had a limited experience of the preston 2 in a previous life when myself and two other directors of the company i worked for were approached to work with PNE on a couple of projects - and found them unprepared for the meetings and (let's be polite) disappointing in their contribution in the discussions. needless to say we turned down the opportunity. and mr/mrs 8 ball - sure enough there was debt in the club - but that debt was managed and unlike other prem lower league clubs stable (cf fulham, weztam, wigan, bolton, dirties, pompey, leicester, villa, boro wolves and even the likes of everton and liverpool) throughout the 2000-12 period that we were in premiership regrettably the debt was serviced by the selling off of our jewels but the club traded on this and was able to keep our gearing under control. the key issue was our tunrover/wages percentage which because of the size of the club was too high.....compare this to the turnover/wages ratio now and the way the debt level is and will be spiralling. W&F were even able to manage compo for the management who exited the club (ex Ince) with Souness and Hughes netting good revenue - heaven's to betsy Hughes even managed to play the game by purchasing RSC for an inflated fee to Citeh.....compare that to : compo for Allardyce, stupid contract and compo for Kean, one assumes the same for F&W (plus other execs), Black, Mimms etc, Berg and a bit to Blackpool for Appleton. crisis manage that if you can - The Sports PR Company if you can. hasslem hasslem
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11:14am Mon 14 Jan 13

RoversSwiss says...

Hiring a PR firm sends all the wrong messages, it says that Venkys are more concerned about image than they are about taking the club forward. If Agnew can't handle the club's PR then he is surplus to requirements, he should leave along with Shebby. Shebby has contributed nothing but more bad decisions, he would make an excellent member of BRAG.

Before Venkys we were in desperate financial trouble, John Williams had a huge overdraft to handle we couldn't afford, the Walker Family had no interest whatsoever in the club, still don't. We don't generate enough income from attendances to run a big club, we never have. Thanks to people like John Williams and some good management we have punched above our weight for many years. Problem was that it couldn't last forever, we needed a Venkys to survive. Somehow the relationship between the owners and the club/fans has to improve if we are to survive.

Calls for Venkys to sell are ludicrous beyond belief, who on earth would buy the club with our current reputation. Said it many times before, if Venkys leave, BRFC is finished, there wouldn't be enough money to honour present liabilities.

Running a football club is not rocket science, but it depends totally on having a good manager. Success on the pitch would solve everything, here's hoping Appleton can bring about a miracle.
Hiring a PR firm sends all the wrong messages, it says that Venkys are more concerned about image than they are about taking the club forward. If Agnew can't handle the club's PR then he is surplus to requirements, he should leave along with Shebby. Shebby has contributed nothing but more bad decisions, he would make an excellent member of BRAG. Before Venkys we were in desperate financial trouble, John Williams had a huge overdraft to handle we couldn't afford, the Walker Family had no interest whatsoever in the club, still don't. We don't generate enough income from attendances to run a big club, we never have. Thanks to people like John Williams and some good management we have punched above our weight for many years. Problem was that it couldn't last forever, we needed a Venkys to survive. Somehow the relationship between the owners and the club/fans has to improve if we are to survive. Calls for Venkys to sell are ludicrous beyond belief, who on earth would buy the club with our current reputation. Said it many times before, if Venkys leave, BRFC is finished, there wouldn't be enough money to honour present liabilities. Running a football club is not rocket science, but it depends totally on having a good manager. Success on the pitch would solve everything, here's hoping Appleton can bring about a miracle. RoversSwiss
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11:16am Mon 14 Jan 13

juanbbien says...

Trying to improve our image,well Venkys we had a perfectly good one till you lot came along,so now you are spending more money to improve our/your standing with the world and Appleton only has a contract till summer so it's another we will see how it goes situation,it's a pity some of the players were not signed on similar conditions,leaving the question that if some of them don't want to play for the manager they know that they can contribute to exit sooner rather than later,what a bloody shambles,if Venkys want to build some bridges it would be nice to see them have the guts to come over and show their faces and sort this out once and for all,how the hell can you over see an operation like this thousands of miles away and relying on this and that persons view on what's going on,he said this, so and so said that,bloody ridiculous.
Trying to improve our image,well Venkys we had a perfectly good one till you lot came along,so now you are spending more money to improve our/your standing with the world and Appleton only has a contract till summer so it's another we will see how it goes situation,it's a pity some of the players were not signed on similar conditions,leaving the question that if some of them don't want to play for the manager they know that they can contribute to exit sooner rather than later,what a bloody shambles,if Venkys want to build some bridges it would be nice to see them have the guts to come over and show their faces and sort this out once and for all,how the hell can you over see an operation like this thousands of miles away and relying on this and that persons view on what's going on,he said this, so and so said that,bloody ridiculous. juanbbien
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11:27am Mon 14 Jan 13

Rover Pete says...

How on earth can anyone, no matter how much Venky's pay, say anything positive about Venky's ownership of Rovers. Everything they have done since their first move - sacking Sam - has been a disaster. They are living proof of the old adage - do no go into a business you know nothing about. They, and unforunately the supporters, are now universally looked on as idiots and crackpots. We, and them, have become the laughing stock of the football world. The only way out is for them to sell up for anything they can get before the club is valuless like Portsmouth.
How on earth can anyone, no matter how much Venky's pay, say anything positive about Venky's ownership of Rovers. Everything they have done since their first move - sacking Sam - has been a disaster. They are living proof of the old adage - do no go into a business you know nothing about. They, and unforunately the supporters, are now universally looked on as idiots and crackpots. We, and them, have become the laughing stock of the football world. The only way out is for them to sell up for anything they can get before the club is valuless like Portsmouth. Rover Pete
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11:32am Mon 14 Jan 13

Is Eckersley playing? says...

Can I please ask contributors to this site to please refrain from describing people by their intitials? I don't know where this trend has come from but it is most annoying. I sit here thinking who the hell is 'ab', 'de', 'fg' instead of concentrating on what has been contributed. Most annoying fellas. Stop it.
Can I please ask contributors to this site to please refrain from describing people by their intitials? I don't know where this trend has come from but it is most annoying. I sit here thinking who the hell is 'ab', 'de', 'fg' instead of concentrating on what has been contributed. Most annoying fellas. Stop it. Is Eckersley playing?
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11:36am Mon 14 Jan 13

hasslem hasslem says...

Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
Can I please ask contributors to this site to please refrain from describing people by their intitials? I don't know where this trend has come from but it is most annoying. I sit here thinking who the hell is 'ab', 'de', 'fg' instead of concentrating on what has been contributed. Most annoying fellas. Stop it.
Ninny
[quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: Can I please ask contributors to this site to please refrain from describing people by their intitials? I don't know where this trend has come from but it is most annoying. I sit here thinking who the hell is 'ab', 'de', 'fg' instead of concentrating on what has been contributed. Most annoying fellas. Stop it.[/p][/quote]Ninny hasslem hasslem
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11:37am Mon 14 Jan 13

George.White.Bread says...

Hampshire Rover wrote:
My horse has bolted but don't worry I've closed the stable door now!
You see, you lot just can't help going on about horses.......pervert
.
[quote][p][bold]Hampshire Rover[/bold] wrote: My horse has bolted but don't worry I've closed the stable door now![/p][/quote]You see, you lot just can't help going on about horses.......pervert . George.White.Bread
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11:38am Mon 14 Jan 13

flyingv1 says...

The Fire Brigade telephoned Sean Dyche and said "Mr Dyche, there is a fire at Turf Moor"

He replied immediately "save the cups"

The fireman replied " Don't worry, the fire has not reached the canteen yet"
The Fire Brigade telephoned Sean Dyche and said "Mr Dyche, there is a fire at Turf Moor" He replied immediately "save the cups" The fireman replied " Don't worry, the fire has not reached the canteen yet" flyingv1
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11:39am Mon 14 Jan 13

8 Ball Deluxe says...

dangerous dave wrote:
The best publicity for the Venkys is to 'sack' Shaw Agnew Singh and Hendry then we might see the club going forward with some real professionals put in their place - this lot have with the Venkys support dragged the club to lower depths than ever before out with the lot of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!
why you obsessed with sacking everyone, are you a frustrated Santa?
[quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: The best publicity for the Venkys is to 'sack' Shaw Agnew Singh and Hendry then we might see the club going forward with some real professionals put in their place - this lot have with the Venkys support dragged the club to lower depths than ever before out with the lot of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !![/p][/quote]why you obsessed with sacking everyone, are you a frustrated Santa? 8 Ball Deluxe
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11:40am Mon 14 Jan 13

flyingv1 says...

Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
Can I please ask contributors to this site to please refrain from describing people by their intitials? I don't know where this trend has come from but it is most annoying. I sit here thinking who the hell is 'ab', 'de', 'fg' instead of concentrating on what has been contributed. Most annoying fellas. Stop it.
Point taken IEP lol
[quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: Can I please ask contributors to this site to please refrain from describing people by their intitials? I don't know where this trend has come from but it is most annoying. I sit here thinking who the hell is 'ab', 'de', 'fg' instead of concentrating on what has been contributed. Most annoying fellas. Stop it.[/p][/quote]Point taken IEP lol flyingv1
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12:18pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Bazzer says...

Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
Can I please ask contributors to this site to please refrain from describing people by their intitials? I don't know where this trend has come from but it is most annoying. I sit here thinking who the hell is 'ab', 'de', 'fg' instead of concentrating on what has been contributed. Most annoying fellas. Stop it.
I thought CKR was man of the match against Wolves.
[quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: Can I please ask contributors to this site to please refrain from describing people by their intitials? I don't know where this trend has come from but it is most annoying. I sit here thinking who the hell is 'ab', 'de', 'fg' instead of concentrating on what has been contributed. Most annoying fellas. Stop it.[/p][/quote]I thought CKR was man of the match against Wolves. Bazzer
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12:28pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Harwoodstblue says...

dangerous dave wrote:
The best publicity for the Venkys is to 'sack' Shaw Agnew Singh and Hendry then we might see the club going forward with some real professionals put in their place - this lot have with the Venkys support dragged the club to lower depths than ever before out with the lot of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!
" real professionals put in their place "

Real professionals come at a price Dave. It has seemed in the past that Venkys are not prepared to pay that price.
[quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: The best publicity for the Venkys is to 'sack' Shaw Agnew Singh and Hendry then we might see the club going forward with some real professionals put in their place - this lot have with the Venkys support dragged the club to lower depths than ever before out with the lot of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !![/p][/quote]" real professionals put in their place " Real professionals come at a price Dave. It has seemed in the past that Venkys are not prepared to pay that price. Harwoodstblue
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12:32pm Mon 14 Jan 13

keithnewton2 says...

Gross mis-management is the problem - its got nothing to do with PR spin!!!!

Simple solution

1. Replace the three stooges with an experienced chief executive with the authority to get things done and make decisions.
2. Get a proper business plan in place with a three year outlook so investment decisions can be made.
3. Agree the plan with Venkys and let a new professional united board (including independent business people and two fans) get on with running the club, reporting back to Venkys quarterly.
3. Recruit a suitably experienced manager with a track record of promotion and who knows how to work with limited resources and to get the best out of players. Not Appleton....
4. Give him a hard working enthusiastic and stable back room staff.
5. Do a proper review of the team and ensure there are quality players (they dont need to Phil Jones standard) who are motivated, play for each other and know whats expected of them.

It can't be that difficult can it??????
Gross mis-management is the problem - its got nothing to do with PR spin!!!! Simple solution 1. Replace the three stooges with an experienced chief executive with the authority to get things done and make decisions. 2. Get a proper business plan in place with a three year outlook so investment decisions can be made. 3. Agree the plan with Venkys and let a new professional united board (including independent business people and two fans) get on with running the club, reporting back to Venkys quarterly. 3. Recruit a suitably experienced manager with a track record of promotion and who knows how to work with limited resources and to get the best out of players. Not Appleton.... 4. Give him a hard working enthusiastic and stable back room staff. 5. Do a proper review of the team and ensure there are quality players (they dont need to Phil Jones standard) who are motivated, play for each other and know whats expected of them. It can't be that difficult can it?????? keithnewton2
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12:35pm Mon 14 Jan 13

cookyy2k says...

I hope I'm wrong but the recent news around the club seems to point in one direction. First get a manager who's big sucess was with a club in administration then get a PR company specialising in ‘crisis management’. Sounds suspiciously like Venkys are out of patience and gearing up for administration.
I hope I'm wrong but the recent news around the club seems to point in one direction. First get a manager who's big sucess was with a club in administration then get a PR company specialising in ‘crisis management’. Sounds suspiciously like Venkys are out of patience and gearing up for administration. cookyy2k
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12:47pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Stone Island: says...

keithnewton2 wrote:
Gross mis-management is the problem - its got nothing to do with PR spin!!!!

Simple solution

1. Replace the three stooges with an experienced chief executive with the authority to get things done and make decisions.
2. Get a proper business plan in place with a three year outlook so investment decisions can be made.
3. Agree the plan with Venkys and let a new professional united board (including independent business people and two fans) get on with running the club, reporting back to Venkys quarterly.
3. Recruit a suitably experienced manager with a track record of promotion and who knows how to work with limited resources and to get the best out of players. Not Appleton....
4. Give him a hard working enthusiastic and stable back room staff.
5. Do a proper review of the team and ensure there are quality players (they dont need to Phil Jones standard) who are motivated, play for each other and know whats expected of them.

It can't be that difficult can it??????
But all this was in place when they bought the club. Then they systematically destroyed it. The damage they have done is irreparable.
[quote][p][bold]keithnewton2[/bold] wrote: Gross mis-management is the problem - its got nothing to do with PR spin!!!! Simple solution 1. Replace the three stooges with an experienced chief executive with the authority to get things done and make decisions. 2. Get a proper business plan in place with a three year outlook so investment decisions can be made. 3. Agree the plan with Venkys and let a new professional united board (including independent business people and two fans) get on with running the club, reporting back to Venkys quarterly. 3. Recruit a suitably experienced manager with a track record of promotion and who knows how to work with limited resources and to get the best out of players. Not Appleton.... 4. Give him a hard working enthusiastic and stable back room staff. 5. Do a proper review of the team and ensure there are quality players (they dont need to Phil Jones standard) who are motivated, play for each other and know whats expected of them. It can't be that difficult can it??????[/p][/quote]But all this was in place when they bought the club. Then they systematically destroyed it. The damage they have done is irreparable. Stone Island:
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12:49pm Mon 14 Jan 13

8 Ball Deluxe says...

keithnewton2 wrote:
Gross mis-management is the problem - its got nothing to do with PR spin!!!!

Simple solution

1. Replace the three stooges with an experienced chief executive with the authority to get things done and make decisions.
2. Get a proper business plan in place with a three year outlook so investment decisions can be made.
3. Agree the plan with Venkys and let a new professional united board (including independent business people and two fans) get on with running the club, reporting back to Venkys quarterly.
3. Recruit a suitably experienced manager with a track record of promotion and who knows how to work with limited resources and to get the best out of players. Not Appleton....
4. Give him a hard working enthusiastic and stable back room staff.
5. Do a proper review of the team and ensure there are quality players (they dont need to Phil Jones standard) who are motivated, play for each other and know whats expected of them.

It can't be that difficult can it??????
BRAG, is that you? I think that welders should stick to welding and sniffing heavy metal fumes, not pretending they are Alan Sugar.
If you want to own Rovers, just get yer money out and stop expecting someone to give it you for free.
BRAG lost all credibility with their stupid statement about stepping up action having forgotten to return after the last boycott.
What next, we don't like the new away top, everyone out, we don't want meat pies, everyone out.
[quote][p][bold]keithnewton2[/bold] wrote: Gross mis-management is the problem - its got nothing to do with PR spin!!!! Simple solution 1. Replace the three stooges with an experienced chief executive with the authority to get things done and make decisions. 2. Get a proper business plan in place with a three year outlook so investment decisions can be made. 3. Agree the plan with Venkys and let a new professional united board (including independent business people and two fans) get on with running the club, reporting back to Venkys quarterly. 3. Recruit a suitably experienced manager with a track record of promotion and who knows how to work with limited resources and to get the best out of players. Not Appleton.... 4. Give him a hard working enthusiastic and stable back room staff. 5. Do a proper review of the team and ensure there are quality players (they dont need to Phil Jones standard) who are motivated, play for each other and know whats expected of them. It can't be that difficult can it??????[/p][/quote]BRAG, is that you? I think that welders should stick to welding and sniffing heavy metal fumes, not pretending they are Alan Sugar. If you want to own Rovers, just get yer money out and stop expecting someone to give it you for free. BRAG lost all credibility with their stupid statement about stepping up action having forgotten to return after the last boycott. What next, we don't like the new away top, everyone out, we don't want meat pies, everyone out. 8 Ball Deluxe
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1:00pm Mon 14 Jan 13

fanny_tickler. says...

Bringing in crisis management experts and employing a league one manager with recent administration experience? Sounds to me like the Rovers are well and truly Donald Ducked. Venky's want out but no one will buy the shambles that remains so administration and points deduction could be a real possibility.
Bringing in crisis management experts and employing a league one manager with recent administration experience? Sounds to me like the Rovers are well and truly Donald Ducked. Venky's want out but no one will buy the shambles that remains so administration and points deduction could be a real possibility. fanny_tickler.
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1:11pm Mon 14 Jan 13

glp says...

All the PR companies in the world could not sugar coat the absolute mess that Venkys Blackburn Rovers as become in the last 2 years. Spend the money on a decent board of directors, Manager and players you clueless Chicken Farmers !!!
All the PR companies in the world could not sugar coat the absolute mess that Venkys Blackburn Rovers as become in the last 2 years. Spend the money on a decent board of directors, Manager and players you clueless Chicken Farmers !!! glp
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1:13pm Mon 14 Jan 13

To.guy says...

Is this because Karl Oyston called Rovers a shipwreck? Venkys have been an image disaster for 2yrs and they've not worried about it. When will somebody tell them that good image starts wth the fans, the media pick up on happy fans/customers. Why do they spend money on stuff like this but not on Salgados wages or Jermaine Jones fee and importantly on a quality manager? Venkys are surely the most stupid business people in all of the Universe.
Is this because Karl Oyston called Rovers a shipwreck? Venkys have been an image disaster for 2yrs and they've not worried about it. When will somebody tell them that good image starts wth the fans, the media pick up on happy fans/customers. Why do they spend money on stuff like this but not on Salgados wages or Jermaine Jones fee and importantly on a quality manager? Venkys are surely the most stupid business people in all of the Universe. To.guy
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1:19pm Mon 14 Jan 13

George.White.Bread says...

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !
Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot
Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right.
[quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd ![/p][/quote]Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right. George.White.Bread
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1:38pm Mon 14 Jan 13

bburnrover says...

What happened to Appleton's press conference?
What happened to Appleton's press conference? bburnrover
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1:38pm Mon 14 Jan 13

French Rover says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
frenchie - in fairness i said "someone like" i know there is a not a snowflake's (topical reference for me as there is 6" outside my kitchen door as i type) chance in hades that willams or finn would come back under the current regime - they would not and the venkys would not...so that is a dead duck.

there are other experienced football administrators around who are competent and not afraid to make the correct decisions - it doesn't have to be W&F.

I have had a limited experience of the preston 2 in a previous life when myself and two other directors of the company i worked for were approached to work with PNE on a couple of projects - and found them unprepared for the meetings and (let's be polite) disappointing in their contribution in the discussions. needless to say we turned down the opportunity.

and mr/mrs 8 ball - sure enough there was debt in the club - but that debt was managed and unlike other prem lower league clubs stable (cf fulham, weztam, wigan, bolton, dirties, pompey, leicester, villa, boro wolves and even the likes of everton and liverpool) throughout the 2000-12 period that we were in premiership

regrettably the debt was serviced by the selling off of our jewels but the club traded on this and was able to keep our gearing under control. the key issue was our tunrover/wages percentage which because of the size of the club was too high.....compare this to the turnover/wages ratio now and the way the debt level is and will be spiralling. W&F were even able to manage compo for the management who exited the club (ex Ince) with Souness and Hughes netting good revenue - heaven's to betsy Hughes even managed to play the game by purchasing RSC for an inflated fee to Citeh.....compare that to :
compo for Allardyce, stupid contract and compo for Kean, one assumes the same for F&W (plus other execs), Black, Mimms etc, Berg and a bit to Blackpool for Appleton.

crisis manage that if you can - The Sports PR Company if you can.
Lots of good examples HH and fair comments sir...but instead of bringing in the PR, they should have gone for the top gun and employed me (FR).....I would really have put a positive slant on everything, been doing it for years now! Blue and White goggles come as standard equipment.
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: frenchie - in fairness i said "someone like" i know there is a not a snowflake's (topical reference for me as there is 6" outside my kitchen door as i type) chance in hades that willams or finn would come back under the current regime - they would not and the venkys would not...so that is a dead duck. there are other experienced football administrators around who are competent and not afraid to make the correct decisions - it doesn't have to be W&F. I have had a limited experience of the preston 2 in a previous life when myself and two other directors of the company i worked for were approached to work with PNE on a couple of projects - and found them unprepared for the meetings and (let's be polite) disappointing in their contribution in the discussions. needless to say we turned down the opportunity. and mr/mrs 8 ball - sure enough there was debt in the club - but that debt was managed and unlike other prem lower league clubs stable (cf fulham, weztam, wigan, bolton, dirties, pompey, leicester, villa, boro wolves and even the likes of everton and liverpool) throughout the 2000-12 period that we were in premiership regrettably the debt was serviced by the selling off of our jewels but the club traded on this and was able to keep our gearing under control. the key issue was our tunrover/wages percentage which because of the size of the club was too high.....compare this to the turnover/wages ratio now and the way the debt level is and will be spiralling. W&F were even able to manage compo for the management who exited the club (ex Ince) with Souness and Hughes netting good revenue - heaven's to betsy Hughes even managed to play the game by purchasing RSC for an inflated fee to Citeh.....compare that to : compo for Allardyce, stupid contract and compo for Kean, one assumes the same for F&W (plus other execs), Black, Mimms etc, Berg and a bit to Blackpool for Appleton. crisis manage that if you can - The Sports PR Company if you can.[/p][/quote]Lots of good examples HH and fair comments sir...but instead of bringing in the PR, they should have gone for the top gun and employed me (FR).....I would really have put a positive slant on everything, been doing it for years now! Blue and White goggles come as standard equipment. French Rover
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1:42pm Mon 14 Jan 13

chickenfarm says...

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
Correct 8 Ball
The Walker Family did not like being told it will be just £5 Million this year and £5 Million next year by John Williams their wanted to sell before it drained them.
All compaines should run within their means.
[quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]Correct 8 Ball The Walker Family did not like being told it will be just £5 Million this year and £5 Million next year by John Williams their wanted to sell before it drained them. All compaines should run within their means. chickenfarm
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1:42pm Mon 14 Jan 13

George.White.Bread says...

French Rover wrote:
hasslem hasslem wrote:
frenchie - in fairness i said "someone like" i know there is a not a snowflake's (topical reference for me as there is 6" outside my kitchen door as i type) chance in hades that willams or finn would come back under the current regime - they would not and the venkys would not...so that is a dead duck.

there are other experienced football administrators around who are competent and not afraid to make the correct decisions - it doesn't have to be W&F.

I have had a limited experience of the preston 2 in a previous life when myself and two other directors of the company i worked for were approached to work with PNE on a couple of projects - and found them unprepared for the meetings and (let's be polite) disappointing in their contribution in the discussions. needless to say we turned down the opportunity.

and mr/mrs 8 ball - sure enough there was debt in the club - but that debt was managed and unlike other prem lower league clubs stable (cf fulham, weztam, wigan, bolton, dirties, pompey, leicester, villa, boro wolves and even the likes of everton and liverpool) throughout the 2000-12 period that we were in premiership

regrettably the debt was serviced by the selling off of our jewels but the club traded on this and was able to keep our gearing under control. the key issue was our tunrover/wages percentage which because of the size of the club was too high.....compare this to the turnover/wages ratio now and the way the debt level is and will be spiralling. W&F were even able to manage compo for the management who exited the club (ex Ince) with Souness and Hughes netting good revenue - heaven's to betsy Hughes even managed to play the game by purchasing RSC for an inflated fee to Citeh.....compare that to :
compo for Allardyce, stupid contract and compo for Kean, one assumes the same for F&W (plus other execs), Black, Mimms etc, Berg and a bit to Blackpool for Appleton.

crisis manage that if you can - The Sports PR Company if you can.
Lots of good examples HH and fair comments sir...but instead of bringing in the PR, they should have gone for the top gun and employed me (FR).....I would really have put a positive slant on everything, been doing it for years now! Blue and White goggles come as standard equipment.
Top gun or top bum ?
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: frenchie - in fairness i said "someone like" i know there is a not a snowflake's (topical reference for me as there is 6" outside my kitchen door as i type) chance in hades that willams or finn would come back under the current regime - they would not and the venkys would not...so that is a dead duck. there are other experienced football administrators around who are competent and not afraid to make the correct decisions - it doesn't have to be W&F. I have had a limited experience of the preston 2 in a previous life when myself and two other directors of the company i worked for were approached to work with PNE on a couple of projects - and found them unprepared for the meetings and (let's be polite) disappointing in their contribution in the discussions. needless to say we turned down the opportunity. and mr/mrs 8 ball - sure enough there was debt in the club - but that debt was managed and unlike other prem lower league clubs stable (cf fulham, weztam, wigan, bolton, dirties, pompey, leicester, villa, boro wolves and even the likes of everton and liverpool) throughout the 2000-12 period that we were in premiership regrettably the debt was serviced by the selling off of our jewels but the club traded on this and was able to keep our gearing under control. the key issue was our tunrover/wages percentage which because of the size of the club was too high.....compare this to the turnover/wages ratio now and the way the debt level is and will be spiralling. W&F were even able to manage compo for the management who exited the club (ex Ince) with Souness and Hughes netting good revenue - heaven's to betsy Hughes even managed to play the game by purchasing RSC for an inflated fee to Citeh.....compare that to : compo for Allardyce, stupid contract and compo for Kean, one assumes the same for F&W (plus other execs), Black, Mimms etc, Berg and a bit to Blackpool for Appleton. crisis manage that if you can - The Sports PR Company if you can.[/p][/quote]Lots of good examples HH and fair comments sir...but instead of bringing in the PR, they should have gone for the top gun and employed me (FR).....I would really have put a positive slant on everything, been doing it for years now! Blue and White goggles come as standard equipment.[/p][/quote]Top gun or top bum ? George.White.Bread
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1:50pm Mon 14 Jan 13

French Rover says...

George.White.Bread wrote:
French Rover wrote:
hasslem hasslem wrote:
frenchie - in fairness i said "someone like" i know there is a not a snowflake's (topical reference for me as there is 6" outside my kitchen door as i type) chance in hades that willams or finn would come back under the current regime - they would not and the venkys would not...so that is a dead duck.

there are other experienced football administrators around who are competent and not afraid to make the correct decisions - it doesn't have to be W&F.

I have had a limited experience of the preston 2 in a previous life when myself and two other directors of the company i worked for were approached to work with PNE on a couple of projects - and found them unprepared for the meetings and (let's be polite) disappointing in their contribution in the discussions. needless to say we turned down the opportunity.

and mr/mrs 8 ball - sure enough there was debt in the club - but that debt was managed and unlike other prem lower league clubs stable (cf fulham, weztam, wigan, bolton, dirties, pompey, leicester, villa, boro wolves and even the likes of everton and liverpool) throughout the 2000-12 period that we were in premiership

regrettably the debt was serviced by the selling off of our jewels but the club traded on this and was able to keep our gearing under control. the key issue was our tunrover/wages percentage which because of the size of the club was too high.....compare this to the turnover/wages ratio now and the way the debt level is and will be spiralling. W&F were even able to manage compo for the management who exited the club (ex Ince) with Souness and Hughes netting good revenue - heaven's to betsy Hughes even managed to play the game by purchasing RSC for an inflated fee to Citeh.....compare that to :
compo for Allardyce, stupid contract and compo for Kean, one assumes the same for F&W (plus other execs), Black, Mimms etc, Berg and a bit to Blackpool for Appleton.

crisis manage that if you can - The Sports PR Company if you can.
Lots of good examples HH and fair comments sir...but instead of bringing in the PR, they should have gone for the top gun and employed me (FR).....I would really have put a positive slant on everything, been doing it for years now! Blue and White goggles come as standard equipment.
Top gun or top bum ?
you would know more about bums than anyone George BROWN Bread...
[quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: frenchie - in fairness i said "someone like" i know there is a not a snowflake's (topical reference for me as there is 6" outside my kitchen door as i type) chance in hades that willams or finn would come back under the current regime - they would not and the venkys would not...so that is a dead duck. there are other experienced football administrators around who are competent and not afraid to make the correct decisions - it doesn't have to be W&F. I have had a limited experience of the preston 2 in a previous life when myself and two other directors of the company i worked for were approached to work with PNE on a couple of projects - and found them unprepared for the meetings and (let's be polite) disappointing in their contribution in the discussions. needless to say we turned down the opportunity. and mr/mrs 8 ball - sure enough there was debt in the club - but that debt was managed and unlike other prem lower league clubs stable (cf fulham, weztam, wigan, bolton, dirties, pompey, leicester, villa, boro wolves and even the likes of everton and liverpool) throughout the 2000-12 period that we were in premiership regrettably the debt was serviced by the selling off of our jewels but the club traded on this and was able to keep our gearing under control. the key issue was our tunrover/wages percentage which because of the size of the club was too high.....compare this to the turnover/wages ratio now and the way the debt level is and will be spiralling. W&F were even able to manage compo for the management who exited the club (ex Ince) with Souness and Hughes netting good revenue - heaven's to betsy Hughes even managed to play the game by purchasing RSC for an inflated fee to Citeh.....compare that to : compo for Allardyce, stupid contract and compo for Kean, one assumes the same for F&W (plus other execs), Black, Mimms etc, Berg and a bit to Blackpool for Appleton. crisis manage that if you can - The Sports PR Company if you can.[/p][/quote]Lots of good examples HH and fair comments sir...but instead of bringing in the PR, they should have gone for the top gun and employed me (FR).....I would really have put a positive slant on everything, been doing it for years now! Blue and White goggles come as standard equipment.[/p][/quote]Top gun or top bum ?[/p][/quote]you would know more about bums than anyone George BROWN Bread... French Rover
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2:06pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Piston_Broke says...

No amount of PR, spin, waffle or just bare-faced lying will change the fact that your new leader is, in fact, Lord Voldemort. Best of luck - you'll need it.
No amount of PR, spin, waffle or just bare-faced lying will change the fact that your new leader is, in fact, Lord Voldemort. Best of luck - you'll need it. Piston_Broke
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2:11pm Mon 14 Jan 13

keithnewton2 says...

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
keithnewton2 wrote: Gross mis-management is the problem - its got nothing to do with PR spin!!!! Simple solution 1. Replace the three stooges with an experienced chief executive with the authority to get things done and make decisions. 2. Get a proper business plan in place with a three year outlook so investment decisions can be made. 3. Agree the plan with Venkys and let a new professional united board (including independent business people and two fans) get on with running the club, reporting back to Venkys quarterly. 3. Recruit a suitably experienced manager with a track record of promotion and who knows how to work with limited resources and to get the best out of players. Not Appleton.... 4. Give him a hard working enthusiastic and stable back room staff. 5. Do a proper review of the team and ensure there are quality players (they dont need to Phil Jones standard) who are motivated, play for each other and know whats expected of them. It can't be that difficult can it??????
BRAG, is that you? I think that welders should stick to welding and sniffing heavy metal fumes, not pretending they are Alan Sugar. If you want to own Rovers, just get yer money out and stop expecting someone to give it you for free. BRAG lost all credibility with their stupid statement about stepping up action having forgotten to return after the last boycott. What next, we don't like the new away top, everyone out, we don't want meat pies, everyone out.
Not BRAG. Just common sense. Oh, and I'm neither a welder nor Alan Sugar.
[quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keithnewton2[/bold] wrote: Gross mis-management is the problem - its got nothing to do with PR spin!!!! Simple solution 1. Replace the three stooges with an experienced chief executive with the authority to get things done and make decisions. 2. Get a proper business plan in place with a three year outlook so investment decisions can be made. 3. Agree the plan with Venkys and let a new professional united board (including independent business people and two fans) get on with running the club, reporting back to Venkys quarterly. 3. Recruit a suitably experienced manager with a track record of promotion and who knows how to work with limited resources and to get the best out of players. Not Appleton.... 4. Give him a hard working enthusiastic and stable back room staff. 5. Do a proper review of the team and ensure there are quality players (they dont need to Phil Jones standard) who are motivated, play for each other and know whats expected of them. It can't be that difficult can it??????[/p][/quote]BRAG, is that you? I think that welders should stick to welding and sniffing heavy metal fumes, not pretending they are Alan Sugar. If you want to own Rovers, just get yer money out and stop expecting someone to give it you for free. BRAG lost all credibility with their stupid statement about stepping up action having forgotten to return after the last boycott. What next, we don't like the new away top, everyone out, we don't want meat pies, everyone out.[/p][/quote]Not BRAG. Just common sense. Oh, and I'm neither a welder nor Alan Sugar. keithnewton2
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2:12pm Mon 14 Jan 13

burnleyglentoran says...

QUESTION - Where did Burnley's parachute money go?

ANSWER - Shebby Singhs salary you know.

Money well spent you know!

SINGH AND WE'RE GRINNING
QUESTION - Where did Burnley's parachute money go? ANSWER - Shebby Singhs salary you know. Money well spent you know! SINGH AND WE'RE GRINNING burnleyglentoran
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2:14pm Mon 14 Jan 13

8 Ball Deluxe says...

George.White.Bread wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !
Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot
Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right.
Thick sliced and dripping in satuarated fat lad, drooling whilst looking at our club will get you nowhere, you need to change your underpants and get yourself a girlie who's not related.
[quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd ![/p][/quote]Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right.[/p][/quote]Thick sliced and dripping in satuarated fat lad, drooling whilst looking at our club will get you nowhere, you need to change your underpants and get yourself a girlie who's not related. 8 Ball Deluxe
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2:15pm Mon 14 Jan 13

hasslem hasslem says...

my one and only comment about "george whitebread"

once again this site is polluted with knuckle dragging hill monkeys - the most contributions, so far, today come from a yorkie that calls itself "george whitebread",

we know it doesn't go to games and prefers to stay on rovers sites, whilst the team it pretends to support is playing - it takes its name from an obnoxious yorkshire stereotype comedy character and visits other LT stories pretending to be that other stereotypical obnoxious yorkie - keith lemon.

not an original thought in its head the person is highly likely to be very lonely and apart from the samaritans - rovers supporters are probably the only other social group it interacts with each day.

maybe we can arrange for it to be club mascot for the charlton game as it obviously loves all things rovers.

i have many friends who are dingles and none of them are anything like this educationally sub-normal phyto-plankton. in evolutionary terms it is at the stage where the first amino acids were formed. most burnley fans seem pretty reasonable to me but sh.itehead doesn't seem to understand banter or perhaps it doesn't even know what rivalry is as it probably has no interest in the club it pretends to support.

why such idiots come on here is totally beyond me. i guess individuals like them show the true power of the internet and demonstrates the old adage about giving a team of monkeys a keyboard and they will eventually come up with the complete works of Shakespeare.
my one and only comment about "george whitebread" once again this site is polluted with knuckle dragging hill monkeys - the most contributions, so far, today come from a yorkie that calls itself "george whitebread", we know it doesn't go to games and prefers to stay on rovers sites, whilst the team it pretends to support is playing - it takes its name from an obnoxious yorkshire stereotype comedy character and visits other LT stories pretending to be that other stereotypical obnoxious yorkie - keith lemon. not an original thought in its head the person is highly likely to be very lonely and apart from the samaritans - rovers supporters are probably the only other social group it interacts with each day. maybe we can arrange for it to be club mascot for the charlton game as it obviously loves all things rovers. i have many friends who are dingles and none of them are anything like this educationally sub-normal phyto-plankton. in evolutionary terms it is at the stage where the first amino acids were formed. most burnley fans seem pretty reasonable to me but sh.itehead doesn't seem to understand banter or perhaps it doesn't even know what rivalry is as it probably has no interest in the club it pretends to support. why such idiots come on here is totally beyond me. i guess individuals like them show the true power of the internet and demonstrates the old adage about giving a team of monkeys a keyboard and they will eventually come up with the complete works of Shakespeare. hasslem hasslem
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2:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13

8 Ball Deluxe says...

burnleyglentoran wrote:
QUESTION - Where did Burnley's parachute money go?

ANSWER - Shebby Singhs salary you know.

Money well spent you know!

SINGH AND WE'RE GRINNING
I'm glad your new chairman has decided to buy your club back for you so you can start to redevelop it. The polish lad Banzkiweiczkicrackon
eoffkakowsky will be able to employ some of his polish brothers to improve your outside WC of a ground. Maybe soon you'll have running water which begs the question, what really happened to all that money as it seems to have gone to the same place as shregar.
[quote][p][bold]burnleyglentoran[/bold] wrote: QUESTION - Where did Burnley's parachute money go? ANSWER - Shebby Singhs salary you know. Money well spent you know! SINGH AND WE'RE GRINNING[/p][/quote]I'm glad your new chairman has decided to buy your club back for you so you can start to redevelop it. The polish lad Banzkiweiczkicrackon eoffkakowsky will be able to employ some of his polish brothers to improve your outside WC of a ground. Maybe soon you'll have running water which begs the question, what really happened to all that money as it seems to have gone to the same place as shregar. 8 Ball Deluxe
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2:30pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Is Eckersley playing? says...

I see Bristol City's new manager, appointed today, appeared on Sky Sports..I think I read somewhere that Venkys had got a new Public Relations company. Erm, where's our manager, then?Are we on the back foot already?
I see Bristol City's new manager, appointed today, appeared on Sky Sports..I think I read somewhere that Venkys had got a new Public Relations company. Erm, where's our manager, then?Are we on the back foot already? Is Eckersley playing?
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2:34pm Mon 14 Jan 13

George.White.Bread says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
my one and only comment about "george whitebread"

once again this site is polluted with knuckle dragging hill monkeys - the most contributions, so far, today come from a yorkie that calls itself "george whitebread",

we know it doesn't go to games and prefers to stay on rovers sites, whilst the team it pretends to support is playing - it takes its name from an obnoxious yorkshire stereotype comedy character and visits other LT stories pretending to be that other stereotypical obnoxious yorkie - keith lemon.

not an original thought in its head the person is highly likely to be very lonely and apart from the samaritans - rovers supporters are probably the only other social group it interacts with each day.

maybe we can arrange for it to be club mascot for the charlton game as it obviously loves all things rovers.

i have many friends who are dingles and none of them are anything like this educationally sub-normal phyto-plankton. in evolutionary terms it is at the stage where the first amino acids were formed. most burnley fans seem pretty reasonable to me but sh.itehead doesn't seem to understand banter or perhaps it doesn't even know what rivalry is as it probably has no interest in the club it pretends to support.

why such idiots come on here is totally beyond me. i guess individuals like them show the true power of the internet and demonstrates the old adage about giving a team of monkeys a keyboard and they will eventually come up with the complete works of Shakespeare.
Right that's it, my feelings are hurt now. I'm never coming on here again!
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: my one and only comment about "george whitebread" once again this site is polluted with knuckle dragging hill monkeys - the most contributions, so far, today come from a yorkie that calls itself "george whitebread", we know it doesn't go to games and prefers to stay on rovers sites, whilst the team it pretends to support is playing - it takes its name from an obnoxious yorkshire stereotype comedy character and visits other LT stories pretending to be that other stereotypical obnoxious yorkie - keith lemon. not an original thought in its head the person is highly likely to be very lonely and apart from the samaritans - rovers supporters are probably the only other social group it interacts with each day. maybe we can arrange for it to be club mascot for the charlton game as it obviously loves all things rovers. i have many friends who are dingles and none of them are anything like this educationally sub-normal phyto-plankton. in evolutionary terms it is at the stage where the first amino acids were formed. most burnley fans seem pretty reasonable to me but sh.itehead doesn't seem to understand banter or perhaps it doesn't even know what rivalry is as it probably has no interest in the club it pretends to support. why such idiots come on here is totally beyond me. i guess individuals like them show the true power of the internet and demonstrates the old adage about giving a team of monkeys a keyboard and they will eventually come up with the complete works of Shakespeare.[/p][/quote]Right that's it, my feelings are hurt now. I'm never coming on here again! George.White.Bread
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2:39pm Mon 14 Jan 13

matt00 says...

If they actually concentrated on running a football club properly in the first place then there would be no need for a PR company. But as they are clueless here we are. This does suggest that they care more about image but if I was advising them I’d say:

1 get on their hands and knees and beg john Williams, Goodman and Finn to come back.
This won’t happen as the above 3 won’t now touch us with a barge pole.
2 number 1 having failed appoint a competent board with the ability to run the club.
3 with proper leadership within the club quickly sack shabby, Shaw and Agnew.
4 go out on to the pitch at ewood in person and apologise, then beg for forgiveness promising never to step foot in the ground again.
5 appoint an actual manager for the first time.
6 start to focus on building a decent balanced team.

If those criteria are fulfilled then that’s a start. But will they do any of that nooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooo!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They’ll just get their last parachute payment then leave the club to rot. Which in fairness won’t be much of difference to how it is now.
If they actually concentrated on running a football club properly in the first place then there would be no need for a PR company. But as they are clueless here we are. This does suggest that they care more about image but if I was advising them I’d say: 1 get on their hands and knees and beg john Williams, Goodman and Finn to come back. This won’t happen as the above 3 won’t now touch us with a barge pole. 2 number 1 having failed appoint a competent board with the ability to run the club. 3 with proper leadership within the club quickly sack shabby, Shaw and Agnew. 4 go out on to the pitch at ewood in person and apologise, then beg for forgiveness promising never to step foot in the ground again. 5 appoint an actual manager for the first time. 6 start to focus on building a decent balanced team. If those criteria are fulfilled then that’s a start. But will they do any of that nooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooo!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They’ll just get their last parachute payment then leave the club to rot. Which in fairness won’t be much of difference to how it is now. matt00
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2:44pm Mon 14 Jan 13

leitchy says...

If we do not go up this season Venkys are off....FACT !!
The financial implications on us not getting promoted are catastrophic!!

The lateest stunt in to try and improve the image so they might be able to sell quicker...THATS ALL !!
If we do not go up this season Venkys are off....FACT !! The financial implications on us not getting promoted are catastrophic!! The lateest stunt in to try and improve the image so they might be able to sell quicker...THATS ALL !! leitchy
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3:03pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Harwoodstblue says...

bburnrover wrote:
What happened to Appleton's press conference?
According to Andy Cryer it's tomorrow.
[quote][p][bold]bburnrover[/bold] wrote: What happened to Appleton's press conference?[/p][/quote]According to Andy Cryer it's tomorrow. Harwoodstblue
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3:06pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Harwoodstblue says...

leitchy wrote:
If we do not go up this season Venkys are off....FACT !!
The financial implications on us not getting promoted are catastrophic!!

The lateest stunt in to try and improve the image so they might be able to sell quicker...THATS ALL !!
How could they expect to get promoted if they are not prepared to put money in for better players, having sold all our top pros ?
[quote][p][bold]leitchy[/bold] wrote: If we do not go up this season Venkys are off....FACT !! The financial implications on us not getting promoted are catastrophic!! The lateest stunt in to try and improve the image so they might be able to sell quicker...THATS ALL !![/p][/quote]How could they expect to get promoted if they are not prepared to put money in for better players, having sold all our top pros ? Harwoodstblue
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3:19pm Mon 14 Jan 13

the_iconoclast says...

Should have hired this PR firm a long time ago. Might have helped the Rovers "fans" avoid swallowing all the misinformation in the world.

Think they had too much faith in the common sense of Rovers supporters as a whole. The way Venkys have been treated by the media in the UK and Rovers "fans," they'd be entitled to asset strip the club and sell the land to the Department for Education. Helping Rovers "fans" get an education and hopefully resulting in them becoming less confused souls.
Should have hired this PR firm a long time ago. Might have helped the Rovers "fans" avoid swallowing all the misinformation in the world. Think they had too much faith in the common sense of Rovers supporters as a whole. The way Venkys have been treated by the media in the UK and Rovers "fans," they'd be entitled to asset strip the club and sell the land to the Department for Education. Helping Rovers "fans" get an education and hopefully resulting in them becoming less confused souls. the_iconoclast
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3:26pm Mon 14 Jan 13

cactus rover says...

Why is P.R. spin so important couldn,t people just look at the league table?
Why is P.R. spin so important couldn,t people just look at the league table? cactus rover
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3:26pm Mon 14 Jan 13

cactus rover says...

Why is P.R. spin so important couldn,t people just look at the league table?
Why is P.R. spin so important couldn,t people just look at the league table? cactus rover
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3:26pm Mon 14 Jan 13

cactus rover says...

Why is P.R. spin so important couldn,t people just look at the league table?
Why is P.R. spin so important couldn,t people just look at the league table? cactus rover
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3:26pm Mon 14 Jan 13

cactus rover says...

Why is P.R. spin so important couldn,t people just look at the league table?
Why is P.R. spin so important couldn,t people just look at the league table? cactus rover
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3:33pm Mon 14 Jan 13

jellybiff says...

you can always rely on the jibbs owners to cheer you up on a Monday morning with another moron idea lol the jibbs fans must wonder who is sane in the boardroom hahahaha
you can always rely on the jibbs owners to cheer you up on a Monday morning with another moron idea lol the jibbs fans must wonder who is sane in the boardroom hahahaha jellybiff
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3:38pm Mon 14 Jan 13

bluenick says...

A Darener wrote:
"Paul Agnew a PR genius! How would anybody know? his PR efforts have been non existent since he came to the Rovers.
Save on the wage bill! Get rid of Agnew. That would be one of the stooges gone!!
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: "Paul Agnew a PR genius! How would anybody know? his PR efforts have been non existent since he came to the Rovers.[/p][/quote]Save on the wage bill! Get rid of Agnew. That would be one of the stooges gone!! bluenick
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3:48pm Mon 14 Jan 13

moh says...

bluenick wrote:
A Darener wrote: "Paul Agnew a PR genius! How would anybody know? his PR efforts have been non existent since he came to the Rovers.
Save on the wage bill! Get rid of Agnew. That would be one of the stooges gone!!
Agree, he was promoted by his mate to this position and now finds the job too hot to handle.
[quote][p][bold]bluenick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: "Paul Agnew a PR genius! How would anybody know? his PR efforts have been non existent since he came to the Rovers.[/p][/quote]Save on the wage bill! Get rid of Agnew. That would be one of the stooges gone!![/p][/quote]Agree, he was promoted by his mate to this position and now finds the job too hot to handle. moh
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3:52pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Oakdale blue says...

RobbyRover wrote:
I'll help you Venky's; Sack Agnew, Shaw and Singh Crawl on your hands and knees to John Williams and ask him to come back and run the club. Tom Finn and Martin Goodman would also help. Apologise to the fans. You can have that for free!
Oh dear...change the record
[quote][p][bold]RobbyRover[/bold] wrote: I'll help you Venky's; Sack Agnew, Shaw and Singh Crawl on your hands and knees to John Williams and ask him to come back and run the club. Tom Finn and Martin Goodman would also help. Apologise to the fans. You can have that for free![/p][/quote]Oh dear...change the record Oakdale blue
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3:53pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Iiii1111 says...

keep your gobs shut............send my fee via the post
keep your gobs shut............send my fee via the post Iiii1111
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4:05pm Mon 14 Jan 13

leitchy says...

Harwoodstblue wrote:
leitchy wrote: If we do not go up this season Venkys are off....FACT !! The financial implications on us not getting promoted are catastrophic!! The lateest stunt in to try and improve the image so they might be able to sell quicker...THATS ALL !!
How could they expect to get promoted if they are not prepared to put money in for better players, having sold all our top pros ?
Agreed I don't think we will get promoted we have lost far too many top players..

I looked at the line up on friday night and thought only 2 players would of got into our team 3 years ago.....Martin Olson and Rhodes....Thats how far we have dropped on the pitch and off the pitch is even worse..!!
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]leitchy[/bold] wrote: If we do not go up this season Venkys are off....FACT !! The financial implications on us not getting promoted are catastrophic!! The lateest stunt in to try and improve the image so they might be able to sell quicker...THATS ALL !![/p][/quote]How could they expect to get promoted if they are not prepared to put money in for better players, having sold all our top pros ?[/p][/quote]Agreed I don't think we will get promoted we have lost far too many top players.. I looked at the line up on friday night and thought only 2 players would of got into our team 3 years ago.....Martin Olson and Rhodes....Thats how far we have dropped on the pitch and off the pitch is even worse..!! leitchy
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4:05pm Mon 14 Jan 13

bluenick says...

lusorover wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
Quite so. Reality needs to kick in. Not pleasant but that's the way it is.
We had a financial blueprint with the club being run efficiently. You can't call a good blueprint selling all your best players & replace them with lesser players. Leave out loyal players who want to play because some more money might be due to them,treating them shoddily. Then throw in a load of youngsters when things are not going well. Sacking a steady manager without having a solid relacement lined up. Having no sponsors! I could go on more! Villa or any other club should not follow our example on how to slide down the league & alienate the supporters.
[quote][p][bold]lusorover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]Quite so. Reality needs to kick in. Not pleasant but that's the way it is.[/p][/quote]We had a financial blueprint with the club being run efficiently. You can't call a good blueprint selling all your best players & replace them with lesser players. Leave out loyal players who want to play because some more money might be due to them,treating them shoddily. Then throw in a load of youngsters when things are not going well. Sacking a steady manager without having a solid relacement lined up. Having no sponsors! I could go on more! Villa or any other club should not follow our example on how to slide down the league & alienate the supporters. bluenick
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4:15pm Mon 14 Jan 13

steveblue4you says...

RoversSwiss wrote:
Hiring a PR firm sends all the wrong messages, it says that Venkys are more concerned about image than they are about taking the club forward. If Agnew can't handle the club's PR then he is surplus to requirements, he should leave along with Shebby. Shebby has contributed nothing but more bad decisions, he would make an excellent member of BRAG.

Before Venkys we were in desperate financial trouble, John Williams had a huge overdraft to handle we couldn't afford, the Walker Family had no interest whatsoever in the club, still don't. We don't generate enough income from attendances to run a big club, we never have. Thanks to people like John Williams and some good management we have punched above our weight for many years. Problem was that it couldn't last forever, we needed a Venkys to survive. Somehow the relationship between the owners and the club/fans has to improve if we are to survive.

Calls for Venkys to sell are ludicrous beyond belief, who on earth would buy the club with our current reputation. Said it many times before, if Venkys leave, BRFC is finished, there wouldn't be enough money to honour present liabilities.

Running a football club is not rocket science, but it depends totally on having a good manager. Success on the pitch would solve everything, here's hoping Appleton can bring about a miracle.
In agreement with most of that, has nobody noticed that in the last week other championship side r doing what venkys have done......... reducing number of players, only giving short term deals, offloading players that r on high wages or r 2 old 2 b worth anything. What lets venkys down is that they sacked a manager who would have kept us in the prem , the reasons 4 this was that the football was horrid,he was on 2 much money, had a soft spot for expensive over aged player and wanted a big squad....all the things that venkys want 2 change, and on sacking him they have appointed a caretaker who had one good result (liverpool), allowed him to continue when we lost vital games and it was becoming clear we were going down, appointed ex player with no knowledge of championship football and have now gone for another who lacks experience at this level.
the appointment of a PR company is a joke as venkys have never communicated with the fans and have never outlined what their long term plans for the football club r....... too much stuff going on inside the club with no one too explain why 2 the paying public ..... ie: Nelsen is not fit.... sell him 2 spurs and he plays right away..... Roberts and Salgardo the same..... when its all about age and money .... at least the manager of Bolton has had the guts to let the fans know this ....Petrov.
Message 2 Venkys......... Talk 2 the fans....get rid of the 3 non-communicators .... Singh, Shaw & Agnew and if u r not afraid of people knowing your plans then communicate them.... All we want is honesty
[quote][p][bold]RoversSwiss[/bold] wrote: Hiring a PR firm sends all the wrong messages, it says that Venkys are more concerned about image than they are about taking the club forward. If Agnew can't handle the club's PR then he is surplus to requirements, he should leave along with Shebby. Shebby has contributed nothing but more bad decisions, he would make an excellent member of BRAG. Before Venkys we were in desperate financial trouble, John Williams had a huge overdraft to handle we couldn't afford, the Walker Family had no interest whatsoever in the club, still don't. We don't generate enough income from attendances to run a big club, we never have. Thanks to people like John Williams and some good management we have punched above our weight for many years. Problem was that it couldn't last forever, we needed a Venkys to survive. Somehow the relationship between the owners and the club/fans has to improve if we are to survive. Calls for Venkys to sell are ludicrous beyond belief, who on earth would buy the club with our current reputation. Said it many times before, if Venkys leave, BRFC is finished, there wouldn't be enough money to honour present liabilities. Running a football club is not rocket science, but it depends totally on having a good manager. Success on the pitch would solve everything, here's hoping Appleton can bring about a miracle.[/p][/quote]In agreement with most of that, has nobody noticed that in the last week other championship side r doing what venkys have done......... reducing number of players, only giving short term deals, offloading players that r on high wages or r 2 old 2 b worth anything. What lets venkys down is that they sacked a manager who would have kept us in the prem , the reasons 4 this was that the football was horrid,he was on 2 much money, had a soft spot for expensive over aged player and wanted a big squad....all the things that venkys want 2 change, and on sacking him they have appointed a caretaker who had one good result (liverpool), allowed him to continue when we lost vital games and it was becoming clear we were going down, appointed ex player with no knowledge of championship football and have now gone for another who lacks experience at this level. the appointment of a PR company is a joke as venkys have never communicated with the fans and have never outlined what their long term plans for the football club r....... too much stuff going on inside the club with no one too explain why 2 the paying public ..... ie: Nelsen is not fit.... sell him 2 spurs and he plays right away..... Roberts and Salgardo the same..... when its all about age and money .... at least the manager of Bolton has had the guts to let the fans know this ....Petrov. Message 2 Venkys......... Talk 2 the fans....get rid of the 3 non-communicators .... Singh, Shaw & Agnew and if u r not afraid of people knowing your plans then communicate them.... All we want is honesty steveblue4you
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4:22pm Mon 14 Jan 13

mark anthony says...

ive had a haircut to improve my image
ive had a haircut to improve my image mark anthony
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4:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Is Eckersley playing? says...

I would imagine that this new Public Relations outfit will read this site to get the fans view. So, will you please tell the woman in Pune she should read this site, daily, to understand what her 'customers' think about her and her operation thus far!, ...
I would imagine that this new Public Relations outfit will read this site to get the fans view. So, will you please tell the woman in Pune she should read this site, daily, to understand what her 'customers' think about her and her operation thus far!, ... Is Eckersley playing?
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4:24pm Mon 14 Jan 13

greenscreener says...

George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !
thanks George, I wondered why you dingles never wash !
[quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd ![/p][/quote]thanks George, I wondered why you dingles never wash ! greenscreener
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4:26pm Mon 14 Jan 13

dangerous dave says...

Oakdale blue wrote:
RobbyRover wrote:
I'll help you Venky's; Sack Agnew, Shaw and Singh Crawl on your hands and knees to John Williams and ask him to come back and run the club. Tom Finn and Martin Goodman would also help. Apologise to the fans. You can have that for free!
Oh dear...change the record
Oakdale blue - spot on Shaw Agnew Singh absolute idiots and should be removed from their posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!! And yes Venkys do a bit of groveling with the fans and Messrs Williams/Finn
[quote][p][bold]Oakdale blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RobbyRover[/bold] wrote: I'll help you Venky's; Sack Agnew, Shaw and Singh Crawl on your hands and knees to John Williams and ask him to come back and run the club. Tom Finn and Martin Goodman would also help. Apologise to the fans. You can have that for free![/p][/quote]Oh dear...change the record[/p][/quote]Oakdale blue - spot on Shaw Agnew Singh absolute idiots and should be removed from their posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! And yes Venkys do a bit of groveling with the fans and Messrs Williams/Finn dangerous dave
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4:31pm Mon 14 Jan 13

bluenick says...

mark anthony wrote:
ive had a haircut to improve my image
Take more than a haircut mark anthony! lol!!
[quote][p][bold]mark anthony[/bold] wrote: ive had a haircut to improve my image[/p][/quote]Take more than a haircut mark anthony! lol!! bluenick
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4:40pm Mon 14 Jan 13

A Darener says...

Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
I would imagine that this new Public Relations outfit will read this site to get the fans view. So, will you please tell the woman in Pune she should read this site, daily, to understand what her 'customers' think about her and her operation thus far!, ...
I doubt they will read these pages. They are not interested in the opinions of the fans, only those that can provide the most income. Corporate sponsors, tv. And more importantly anybody with the money to get the Venky's out of the deep hole they have dug for themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: I would imagine that this new Public Relations outfit will read this site to get the fans view. So, will you please tell the woman in Pune she should read this site, daily, to understand what her 'customers' think about her and her operation thus far!, ...[/p][/quote]I doubt they will read these pages. They are not interested in the opinions of the fans, only those that can provide the most income. Corporate sponsors, tv. And more importantly anybody with the money to get the Venky's out of the deep hole they have dug for themselves. A Darener
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4:40pm Mon 14 Jan 13

steveblue4you says...

Congratulations Bolton ...... on hiring a manager who says it like it is......
off loading a player who is 2 old and on 2 much money.....Petrov
Why could venkys not do the same........ Nelsen, Roberts & Salgardo.......
all injured according 2 club sources........ What would your PR company have said?
We do not need a PR company 2 gloss over the facts just simple communication with you paying customers would do, we may not like what you have got 2 say but at least if you had been honest from the start you would have our respect..... whatever happens now you will never gain that. Hopefully others on this website r right and that u r looking 4 a buyer.... WE LIVE IN HOPE!!!!!!
Congratulations Bolton ...... on hiring a manager who says it like it is...... off loading a player who is 2 old and on 2 much money.....Petrov Why could venkys not do the same........ Nelsen, Roberts & Salgardo....... all injured according 2 club sources........ What would your PR company have said? We do not need a PR company 2 gloss over the facts just simple communication with you paying customers would do, we may not like what you have got 2 say but at least if you had been honest from the start you would have our respect..... whatever happens now you will never gain that. Hopefully others on this website r right and that u r looking 4 a buyer.... WE LIVE IN HOPE!!!!!! steveblue4you
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4:42pm Mon 14 Jan 13

LittleRonnieHildersley says...

Blackburn fans love horses wrote:
George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !
Nope, but you can roll the turd in glitter - which is what Venkys are trying to do with the Turd that is now Blackburn Rovers.

Must be a Burnley PR firm - loads of positive press about Venkys at the right end of the M65.
you can roll a turd in glitter! obviosly you'e tried this alreay....maybe you've had one between a couple of slices of George' whitebread.

Now go away you stalking freaks.
[quote][p][bold]Blackburn fans love horses[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd ![/p][/quote]Nope, but you can roll the turd in glitter - which is what Venkys are trying to do with the Turd that is now Blackburn Rovers. Must be a Burnley PR firm - loads of positive press about Venkys at the right end of the M65.[/p][/quote]you can roll a turd in glitter! obviosly you'e tried this alreay....maybe you've had one between a couple of slices of George' whitebread. Now go away you stalking freaks. LittleRonnieHildersley
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4:44pm Mon 14 Jan 13

greenscreener says...

mark anthony wrote:
ive had a haircut to improve my image
You should shave your head completely, theres a crazy woman in india who will give you £1m.
[quote][p][bold]mark anthony[/bold] wrote: ive had a haircut to improve my image[/p][/quote]You should shave your head completely, theres a crazy woman in india who will give you £1m. greenscreener
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4:52pm Mon 14 Jan 13

owd nick says...

First chance I have had to post today, one word.

SPEECHLESS
First chance I have had to post today, one word. SPEECHLESS owd nick
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4:56pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Dublin rover says...

Does my **** look big in this. maybe the pr dept can tell me
Does my **** look big in this. maybe the pr dept can tell me Dublin rover
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5:00pm Mon 14 Jan 13

merlinrabbit says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
my one and only comment about "george whitebread"

once again this site is polluted with knuckle dragging hill monkeys - the most contributions, so far, today come from a yorkie that calls itself "george whitebread",

we know it doesn't go to games and prefers to stay on rovers sites, whilst the team it pretends to support is playing - it takes its name from an obnoxious yorkshire stereotype comedy character and visits other LT stories pretending to be that other stereotypical obnoxious yorkie - keith lemon.

not an original thought in its head the person is highly likely to be very lonely and apart from the samaritans - rovers supporters are probably the only other social group it interacts with each day.

maybe we can arrange for it to be club mascot for the charlton game as it obviously loves all things rovers.

i have many friends who are dingles and none of them are anything like this educationally sub-normal phyto-plankton. in evolutionary terms it is at the stage where the first amino acids were formed. most burnley fans seem pretty reasonable to me but sh.itehead doesn't seem to understand banter or perhaps it doesn't even know what rivalry is as it probably has no interest in the club it pretends to support.

why such idiots come on here is totally beyond me. i guess individuals like them show the true power of the internet and demonstrates the old adage about giving a team of monkeys a keyboard and they will eventually come up with the complete works of Shakespeare.
Same here. I work with Burnley fans and they aren't anything like the four or five flat heads that come on here. This lot are what I call evolutionary deadends, no longer any use, can't adapt to the world and will definitely become extinct. You can see how their language is expiring. Same phrases no matter what the subject. Talk about rovers being embarrassing, these cretin surely are an embarrassment to Burnley FC?
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: my one and only comment about "george whitebread" once again this site is polluted with knuckle dragging hill monkeys - the most contributions, so far, today come from a yorkie that calls itself "george whitebread", we know it doesn't go to games and prefers to stay on rovers sites, whilst the team it pretends to support is playing - it takes its name from an obnoxious yorkshire stereotype comedy character and visits other LT stories pretending to be that other stereotypical obnoxious yorkie - keith lemon. not an original thought in its head the person is highly likely to be very lonely and apart from the samaritans - rovers supporters are probably the only other social group it interacts with each day. maybe we can arrange for it to be club mascot for the charlton game as it obviously loves all things rovers. i have many friends who are dingles and none of them are anything like this educationally sub-normal phyto-plankton. in evolutionary terms it is at the stage where the first amino acids were formed. most burnley fans seem pretty reasonable to me but sh.itehead doesn't seem to understand banter or perhaps it doesn't even know what rivalry is as it probably has no interest in the club it pretends to support. why such idiots come on here is totally beyond me. i guess individuals like them show the true power of the internet and demonstrates the old adage about giving a team of monkeys a keyboard and they will eventually come up with the complete works of Shakespeare.[/p][/quote]Same here. I work with Burnley fans and they aren't anything like the four or five flat heads that come on here. This lot are what I call evolutionary deadends, no longer any use, can't adapt to the world and will definitely become extinct. You can see how their language is expiring. Same phrases no matter what the subject. Talk about rovers being embarrassing, these cretin surely are an embarrassment to Burnley FC? merlinrabbit
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5:01pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Harwoodstblue says...

steveblue4you wrote:
RoversSwiss wrote:
Hiring a PR firm sends all the wrong messages, it says that Venkys are more concerned about image than they are about taking the club forward. If Agnew can't handle the club's PR then he is surplus to requirements, he should leave along with Shebby. Shebby has contributed nothing but more bad decisions, he would make an excellent member of BRAG.

Before Venkys we were in desperate financial trouble, John Williams had a huge overdraft to handle we couldn't afford, the Walker Family had no interest whatsoever in the club, still don't. We don't generate enough income from attendances to run a big club, we never have. Thanks to people like John Williams and some good management we have punched above our weight for many years. Problem was that it couldn't last forever, we needed a Venkys to survive. Somehow the relationship between the owners and the club/fans has to improve if we are to survive.

Calls for Venkys to sell are ludicrous beyond belief, who on earth would buy the club with our current reputation. Said it many times before, if Venkys leave, BRFC is finished, there wouldn't be enough money to honour present liabilities.

Running a football club is not rocket science, but it depends totally on having a good manager. Success on the pitch would solve everything, here's hoping Appleton can bring about a miracle.
In agreement with most of that, has nobody noticed that in the last week other championship side r doing what venkys have done......... reducing number of players, only giving short term deals, offloading players that r on high wages or r 2 old 2 b worth anything. What lets venkys down is that they sacked a manager who would have kept us in the prem , the reasons 4 this was that the football was horrid,he was on 2 much money, had a soft spot for expensive over aged player and wanted a big squad....all the things that venkys want 2 change, and on sacking him they have appointed a caretaker who had one good result (liverpool), allowed him to continue when we lost vital games and it was becoming clear we were going down, appointed ex player with no knowledge of championship football and have now gone for another who lacks experience at this level.
the appointment of a PR company is a joke as venkys have never communicated with the fans and have never outlined what their long term plans for the football club r....... too much stuff going on inside the club with no one too explain why 2 the paying public ..... ie: Nelsen is not fit.... sell him 2 spurs and he plays right away..... Roberts and Salgardo the same..... when its all about age and money .... at least the manager of Bolton has had the guts to let the fans know this ....Petrov.
Message 2 Venkys......... Talk 2 the fans....get rid of the 3 non-communicators .... Singh, Shaw & Agnew and if u r not afraid of people knowing your plans then communicate them.... All we want is honesty
I think they are VERY afraid of us all knowing their plans, hence non communication and a refusal to show their faces. Owned us for well over two years and SHE has been only once and the others a little more.

If they had nothing to hide they would have nothing to be afraid of.
[quote][p][bold]steveblue4you[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RoversSwiss[/bold] wrote: Hiring a PR firm sends all the wrong messages, it says that Venkys are more concerned about image than they are about taking the club forward. If Agnew can't handle the club's PR then he is surplus to requirements, he should leave along with Shebby. Shebby has contributed nothing but more bad decisions, he would make an excellent member of BRAG. Before Venkys we were in desperate financial trouble, John Williams had a huge overdraft to handle we couldn't afford, the Walker Family had no interest whatsoever in the club, still don't. We don't generate enough income from attendances to run a big club, we never have. Thanks to people like John Williams and some good management we have punched above our weight for many years. Problem was that it couldn't last forever, we needed a Venkys to survive. Somehow the relationship between the owners and the club/fans has to improve if we are to survive. Calls for Venkys to sell are ludicrous beyond belief, who on earth would buy the club with our current reputation. Said it many times before, if Venkys leave, BRFC is finished, there wouldn't be enough money to honour present liabilities. Running a football club is not rocket science, but it depends totally on having a good manager. Success on the pitch would solve everything, here's hoping Appleton can bring about a miracle.[/p][/quote]In agreement with most of that, has nobody noticed that in the last week other championship side r doing what venkys have done......... reducing number of players, only giving short term deals, offloading players that r on high wages or r 2 old 2 b worth anything. What lets venkys down is that they sacked a manager who would have kept us in the prem , the reasons 4 this was that the football was horrid,he was on 2 much money, had a soft spot for expensive over aged player and wanted a big squad....all the things that venkys want 2 change, and on sacking him they have appointed a caretaker who had one good result (liverpool), allowed him to continue when we lost vital games and it was becoming clear we were going down, appointed ex player with no knowledge of championship football and have now gone for another who lacks experience at this level. the appointment of a PR company is a joke as venkys have never communicated with the fans and have never outlined what their long term plans for the football club r....... too much stuff going on inside the club with no one too explain why 2 the paying public ..... ie: Nelsen is not fit.... sell him 2 spurs and he plays right away..... Roberts and Salgardo the same..... when its all about age and money .... at least the manager of Bolton has had the guts to let the fans know this ....Petrov. Message 2 Venkys......... Talk 2 the fans....get rid of the 3 non-communicators .... Singh, Shaw & Agnew and if u r not afraid of people knowing your plans then communicate them.... All we want is honesty[/p][/quote]I think they are VERY afraid of us all knowing their plans, hence non communication and a refusal to show their faces. Owned us for well over two years and SHE has been only once and the others a little more. If they had nothing to hide they would have nothing to be afraid of. Harwoodstblue
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5:09pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Colne lads back says...

LittleRonnieHildersl
ey
wrote:
Blackburn fans love horses wrote:
George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !
Nope, but you can roll the turd in glitter - which is what Venkys are trying to do with the Turd that is now Blackburn Rovers.

Must be a Burnley PR firm - loads of positive press about Venkys at the right end of the M65.
you can roll a turd in glitter! obviosly you'e tried this alreay....maybe you've had one between a couple of slices of George' whitebread.

Now go away you stalking freaks.
Stop dribbling on your keyboard LRH,all the keys are sticking,or are you doing something that your not supposed to do
[quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn fans love horses[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd ![/p][/quote]Nope, but you can roll the turd in glitter - which is what Venkys are trying to do with the Turd that is now Blackburn Rovers. Must be a Burnley PR firm - loads of positive press about Venkys at the right end of the M65.[/p][/quote]you can roll a turd in glitter! obviosly you'e tried this alreay....maybe you've had one between a couple of slices of George' whitebread. Now go away you stalking freaks.[/p][/quote]Stop dribbling on your keyboard LRH,all the keys are sticking,or are you doing something that your not supposed to do Colne lads back
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5:10pm Mon 14 Jan 13

leitchy says...

SHEBBY.....HELLO SHEBBY......I CANT HEAR YOU.....WOW YOUR SILENCE IS DEFINING ME !!!

HA ! ARE YOU COOKING UP A PLAN TO GET SHAW/AGNEW BACK ! !

HIRE STUART RIPLEY AS STRIKER COACH!!! LOL
SHEBBY.....HELLO SHEBBY......I CANT HEAR YOU.....WOW YOUR SILENCE IS DEFINING ME !!! HA ! ARE YOU COOKING UP A PLAN TO GET SHAW/AGNEW BACK ! ! HIRE STUART RIPLEY AS STRIKER COACH!!! LOL leitchy
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5:13pm Mon 14 Jan 13

forever blue and white says...

leitchy wrote:
Harwoodstblue wrote:
leitchy wrote: If we do not go up this season Venkys are off....FACT !! The financial implications on us not getting promoted are catastrophic!! The lateest stunt in to try and improve the image so they might be able to sell quicker...THATS ALL !!
How could they expect to get promoted if they are not prepared to put money in for better players, having sold all our top pros ?
Agreed I don't think we will get promoted we have lost far too many top players..

I looked at the line up on friday night and thought only 2 players would of got into our team 3 years ago.....Martin Olson and Rhodes....Thats how far we have dropped on the pitch and off the pitch is even worse..!!
What proof have you got?? You say it is fact. Please prove your statement.
[quote][p][bold]leitchy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]leitchy[/bold] wrote: If we do not go up this season Venkys are off....FACT !! The financial implications on us not getting promoted are catastrophic!! The lateest stunt in to try and improve the image so they might be able to sell quicker...THATS ALL !![/p][/quote]How could they expect to get promoted if they are not prepared to put money in for better players, having sold all our top pros ?[/p][/quote]Agreed I don't think we will get promoted we have lost far too many top players.. I looked at the line up on friday night and thought only 2 players would of got into our team 3 years ago.....Martin Olson and Rhodes....Thats how far we have dropped on the pitch and off the pitch is even worse..!![/p][/quote]What proof have you got?? You say it is fact. Please prove your statement. forever blue and white
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5:22pm Mon 14 Jan 13

fanny_tickler. says...

Kean out, Hendry out, Black out, Berg out, Singh out, Appleton out, Shaw out, Agnew out, Venky's out.. etc.

This is going to have to be one hell of a PR firm to change the image of this shambolic disgrace to English football.

There's more chance of Max Clifford getting Gary Glitter presenting on Cbeebies.

Each and every Blackburn fan attending under the Venky's reign is complicit in destroying Jack Walkers legacy. Shame on you.
Kean out, Hendry out, Black out, Berg out, Singh out, Appleton out, Shaw out, Agnew out, Venky's out.. etc. This is going to have to be one hell of a PR firm to change the image of this shambolic disgrace to English football. There's more chance of Max Clifford getting Gary Glitter presenting on Cbeebies. Each and every Blackburn fan attending under the Venky's reign is complicit in destroying Jack Walkers legacy. Shame on you. fanny_tickler.
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5:27pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Terrier man says...

fanny_tickler. wrote:
Kean out, Hendry out, Black out, Berg out, Singh out, Appleton out, Shaw out, Agnew out, Venky's out.. etc. This is going to have to be one hell of a PR firm to change the image of this shambolic disgrace to English football. There's more chance of Max Clifford getting Gary Glitter presenting on Cbeebies. Each and every Blackburn fan attending under the Venky's reign is complicit in destroying Jack Walkers legacy. Shame on you.
34 years
[quote][p][bold]fanny_tickler.[/bold] wrote: Kean out, Hendry out, Black out, Berg out, Singh out, Appleton out, Shaw out, Agnew out, Venky's out.. etc. This is going to have to be one hell of a PR firm to change the image of this shambolic disgrace to English football. There's more chance of Max Clifford getting Gary Glitter presenting on Cbeebies. Each and every Blackburn fan attending under the Venky's reign is complicit in destroying Jack Walkers legacy. Shame on you.[/p][/quote]34 years Terrier man
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6:03pm Mon 14 Jan 13

gleechy says...

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
When you say we, is Desai your Mum?
[quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]When you say we, is Desai your Mum? gleechy
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6:07pm Mon 14 Jan 13

gleechy says...

LittleRonnieHildersl
ey
wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.
Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.
[quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us! There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.[/p][/quote]Please don't drink and write it fogs reality. gleechy
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6:11pm Mon 14 Jan 13

George.White.Bread says...

LittleRonnieHildersl
ey
wrote:
Blackburn fans love horses wrote:
George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !
Nope, but you can roll the turd in glitter - which is what Venkys are trying to do with the Turd that is now Blackburn Rovers.

Must be a Burnley PR firm - loads of positive press about Venkys at the right end of the M65.
you can roll a turd in glitter! obviosly you'e tried this alreay....maybe you've had one between a couple of slices of George' whitebread.

Now go away you stalking freaks.
That's actually quite funny! :)
[quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn fans love horses[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd ![/p][/quote]Nope, but you can roll the turd in glitter - which is what Venkys are trying to do with the Turd that is now Blackburn Rovers. Must be a Burnley PR firm - loads of positive press about Venkys at the right end of the M65.[/p][/quote]you can roll a turd in glitter! obviosly you'e tried this alreay....maybe you've had one between a couple of slices of George' whitebread. Now go away you stalking freaks.[/p][/quote]That's actually quite funny! :) George.White.Bread
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6:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13

gleechy says...

So they use JA who turns the club into a disaster, they bring in many poor players and give them lucrative contracts with do doubt massive agent's fees, and one good player.

All rumours point to Rovers needing experience to keep afloat, so they get inexperience, then sack him and get more inexperience, whilst having to pay off other clubs and use money for bad decisions.

Then they want someone to make up good stories to tell everybody to get them happy.
We have people with very poor reputations in very high places, it's even more impossible than getting promoted in a tough league with an inexperienced manager with a poor track record.

Well if they're trying to get all the failures under one roof they're doing a **** good job

There is definately worse to come.
So they use JA who turns the club into a disaster, they bring in many poor players and give them lucrative contracts with do doubt massive agent's fees, and one good player. All rumours point to Rovers needing experience to keep afloat, so they get inexperience, then sack him and get more inexperience, whilst having to pay off other clubs and use money for bad decisions. Then they want someone to make up good stories to tell everybody to get them happy. We have people with very poor reputations in very high places, it's even more impossible than getting promoted in a tough league with an inexperienced manager with a poor track record. Well if they're trying to get all the failures under one roof they're doing a **** good job There is definately worse to come. gleechy
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6:24pm Mon 14 Jan 13

8 Ball Deluxe says...

bluenick wrote:
lusorover wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
Quite so. Reality needs to kick in. Not pleasant but that's the way it is.
We had a financial blueprint with the club being run efficiently. You can't call a good blueprint selling all your best players & replace them with lesser players. Leave out loyal players who want to play because some more money might be due to them,treating them shoddily. Then throw in a load of youngsters when things are not going well. Sacking a steady manager without having a solid relacement lined up. Having no sponsors! I could go on more! Villa or any other club should not follow our example on how to slide down the league & alienate the supporters.
I'll give you a business tip.
You should always work for someone else! This is because if you think it is sound business sense to run with 24 million pounds debt that increases year on year, you can't possibly run your own company, you haven't got the grey matter. On the other hand you could be Chancellor of the labour party
[quote][p][bold]bluenick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lusorover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]Quite so. Reality needs to kick in. Not pleasant but that's the way it is.[/p][/quote]We had a financial blueprint with the club being run efficiently. You can't call a good blueprint selling all your best players & replace them with lesser players. Leave out loyal players who want to play because some more money might be due to them,treating them shoddily. Then throw in a load of youngsters when things are not going well. Sacking a steady manager without having a solid relacement lined up. Having no sponsors! I could go on more! Villa or any other club should not follow our example on how to slide down the league & alienate the supporters.[/p][/quote]I'll give you a business tip. You should always work for someone else! This is because if you think it is sound business sense to run with 24 million pounds debt that increases year on year, you can't possibly run your own company, you haven't got the grey matter. On the other hand you could be Chancellor of the labour party 8 Ball Deluxe
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6:33pm Mon 14 Jan 13

8 Ball Deluxe says...

Colne lads back wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl

ey
wrote:
Blackburn fans love horses wrote:
George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !
Nope, but you can roll the turd in glitter - which is what Venkys are trying to do with the Turd that is now Blackburn Rovers.

Must be a Burnley PR firm - loads of positive press about Venkys at the right end of the M65.
you can roll a turd in glitter! obviosly you'e tried this alreay....maybe you've had one between a couple of slices of George' whitebread.

Now go away you stalking freaks.
Stop dribbling on your keyboard LRH,all the keys are sticking,or are you doing something that your not supposed to do
I think its better the inbreds come on here, and leave their poor sisters alone, like colne lad here, can you imagine, even his sister is disappointed she's related
[quote][p][bold]Colne lads back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn fans love horses[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd ![/p][/quote]Nope, but you can roll the turd in glitter - which is what Venkys are trying to do with the Turd that is now Blackburn Rovers. Must be a Burnley PR firm - loads of positive press about Venkys at the right end of the M65.[/p][/quote]you can roll a turd in glitter! obviosly you'e tried this alreay....maybe you've had one between a couple of slices of George' whitebread. Now go away you stalking freaks.[/p][/quote]Stop dribbling on your keyboard LRH,all the keys are sticking,or are you doing something that your not supposed to do[/p][/quote]I think its better the inbreds come on here, and leave their poor sisters alone, like colne lad here, can you imagine, even his sister is disappointed she's related 8 Ball Deluxe
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6:34pm Mon 14 Jan 13

8 Ball Deluxe says...

gleechy wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
When you say we, is Desai your Mum?
Are you Billy BRAG?
[quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]When you say we, is Desai your Mum?[/p][/quote]Are you Billy BRAG? 8 Ball Deluxe
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6:35pm Mon 14 Jan 13

LittleRonnieHildersley says...

gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl

ey
wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.
Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.
Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?
[quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us! There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.[/p][/quote]Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.[/p][/quote]Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted? LittleRonnieHildersley
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6:37pm Mon 14 Jan 13

8 Ball Deluxe says...

leitchy wrote:
SHEBBY.....HELLO SHEBBY......I CANT HEAR YOU.....WOW YOUR SILENCE IS DEFINING ME !!!

HA ! ARE YOU COOKING UP A PLAN TO GET SHAW/AGNEW BACK ! !

HIRE STUART RIPLEY AS STRIKER COACH!!! LOL
Wow thats deep man, Shebby's silence is DEFINING you.
[quote][p][bold]leitchy[/bold] wrote: SHEBBY.....HELLO SHEBBY......I CANT HEAR YOU.....WOW YOUR SILENCE IS DEFINING ME !!! HA ! ARE YOU COOKING UP A PLAN TO GET SHAW/AGNEW BACK ! ! HIRE STUART RIPLEY AS STRIKER COACH!!! LOL[/p][/quote]Wow thats deep man, Shebby's silence is DEFINING you. 8 Ball Deluxe
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6:39pm Mon 14 Jan 13

8 Ball Deluxe says...

gleechy wrote:
So they use JA who turns the club into a disaster, they bring in many poor players and give them lucrative contracts with do doubt massive agent's fees, and one good player.

All rumours point to Rovers needing experience to keep afloat, so they get inexperience, then sack him and get more inexperience, whilst having to pay off other clubs and use money for bad decisions.

Then they want someone to make up good stories to tell everybody to get them happy.
We have people with very poor reputations in very high places, it's even more impossible than getting promoted in a tough league with an inexperienced manager with a poor track record.

Well if they're trying to get all the failures under one roof they're doing a **** good job

There is definately worse to come.
Hello Victor
[quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: So they use JA who turns the club into a disaster, they bring in many poor players and give them lucrative contracts with do doubt massive agent's fees, and one good player. All rumours point to Rovers needing experience to keep afloat, so they get inexperience, then sack him and get more inexperience, whilst having to pay off other clubs and use money for bad decisions. Then they want someone to make up good stories to tell everybody to get them happy. We have people with very poor reputations in very high places, it's even more impossible than getting promoted in a tough league with an inexperienced manager with a poor track record. Well if they're trying to get all the failures under one roof they're doing a **** good job There is definately worse to come.[/p][/quote]Hello Victor 8 Ball Deluxe
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6:39pm Mon 14 Jan 13

eddie the eagle says...

Iiii1111 wrote:
keep your gobs shut............send my fee via the post
If you add this post to Haslem's excellent offering you have got an excellent summary of the problems at Rovers.no need for a report from some PR company it's all there in easy to understand english. So why can Venkys not understand without resorting to another smoke screen.
It seems that shebby has recieved the same treatment as Keen, his tongue has been cut out and he has been cast into the wilderness,or is that tooo simple.
[quote][p][bold]Iiii1111[/bold] wrote: keep your gobs shut............send my fee via the post[/p][/quote]If you add this post to Haslem's excellent offering you have got an excellent summary of the problems at Rovers.no need for a report from some PR company it's all there in easy to understand english. So why can Venkys not understand without resorting to another smoke screen. It seems that shebby has recieved the same treatment as Keen, his tongue has been cut out and he has been cast into the wilderness,or is that tooo simple. eddie the eagle
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6:41pm Mon 14 Jan 13

LittleRonnieHildersley says...

George.White.Bread wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl

ey
wrote:
Blackburn fans love horses wrote:
George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !
Nope, but you can roll the turd in glitter - which is what Venkys are trying to do with the Turd that is now Blackburn Rovers.

Must be a Burnley PR firm - loads of positive press about Venkys at the right end of the M65.
you can roll a turd in glitter! obviosly you'e tried this alreay....maybe you've had one between a couple of slices of George' whitebread.

Now go away you stalking freaks.
That's actually quite funny! :)
I try! It's better than moaning.

Ps you're still a knob ;)
[quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn fans love horses[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd ![/p][/quote]Nope, but you can roll the turd in glitter - which is what Venkys are trying to do with the Turd that is now Blackburn Rovers. Must be a Burnley PR firm - loads of positive press about Venkys at the right end of the M65.[/p][/quote]you can roll a turd in glitter! obviosly you'e tried this alreay....maybe you've had one between a couple of slices of George' whitebread. Now go away you stalking freaks.[/p][/quote]That's actually quite funny! :)[/p][/quote]I try! It's better than moaning. Ps you're still a knob ;) LittleRonnieHildersley
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6:44pm Mon 14 Jan 13

gleechy says...

LittleRonnieHildersl
ey
wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl


ey
wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.
Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.
Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?
Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.
[quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us! There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.[/p][/quote]Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.[/p][/quote]Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?[/p][/quote]Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check" "yes we're run by iditots" You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you. gleechy
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6:46pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Colne lads back says...

8 boll@cker's trying to get a response from someone bless.

White ball down 4 point penalty
8 boll@cker's trying to get a response from someone bless. White ball down 4 point penalty Colne lads back
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6:52pm Mon 14 Jan 13

gleechy says...

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
When you say we, is Desai your Mum?
Are you Billy BRAG?
Someone has to be.
Now that you've made yourself protector of evil, what else will you feed to your Loons who don't follow you?
[quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]When you say we, is Desai your Mum?[/p][/quote]Are you Billy BRAG?[/p][/quote]Someone has to be. Now that you've made yourself protector of evil, what else will you feed to your Loons who don't follow you? gleechy
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6:52pm Mon 14 Jan 13

LittleRonnieHildersley says...

gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl

ey
wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl



ey
wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.
Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.
Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?
Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.
At the moment we are owned by idiots, in the absence of anyone else buying out the club then what is wrong with wanting them to do the right thing?

I'm also saying that we're not a lot different from lots of clubs who are and have been through difficult times.

I choose to try to be positive, others choose differently. I don't condone 'calling' fans with different opinions to mine so sorry if it came across like that.
[quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us! There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.[/p][/quote]Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.[/p][/quote]Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?[/p][/quote]Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check" "yes we're run by iditots" You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.[/p][/quote]At the moment we are owned by idiots, in the absence of anyone else buying out the club then what is wrong with wanting them to do the right thing? I'm also saying that we're not a lot different from lots of clubs who are and have been through difficult times. I choose to try to be positive, others choose differently. I don't condone 'calling' fans with different opinions to mine so sorry if it came across like that. LittleRonnieHildersley
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6:52pm Mon 14 Jan 13

8 Ball Deluxe says...

gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl

ey
wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl



ey
wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.
Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.
Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?
Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.
I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash?
I feel for your incapacity, bless you.
[quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us! There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.[/p][/quote]Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.[/p][/quote]Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?[/p][/quote]Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check" "yes we're run by iditots" You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.[/p][/quote]I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash? I feel for your incapacity, bless you. 8 Ball Deluxe
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7:00pm Mon 14 Jan 13

gleechy says...

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
So they use JA who turns the club into a disaster, they bring in many poor players and give them lucrative contracts with do doubt massive agent's fees, and one good player.

All rumours point to Rovers needing experience to keep afloat, so they get inexperience, then sack him and get more inexperience, whilst having to pay off other clubs and use money for bad decisions.

Then they want someone to make up good stories to tell everybody to get them happy.
We have people with very poor reputations in very high places, it's even more impossible than getting promoted in a tough league with an inexperienced manager with a poor track record.

Well if they're trying to get all the failures under one roof they're doing a **** good job

There is definately worse to come.
Hello Victor
Hi master desai - bator.
[quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: So they use JA who turns the club into a disaster, they bring in many poor players and give them lucrative contracts with do doubt massive agent's fees, and one good player. All rumours point to Rovers needing experience to keep afloat, so they get inexperience, then sack him and get more inexperience, whilst having to pay off other clubs and use money for bad decisions. Then they want someone to make up good stories to tell everybody to get them happy. We have people with very poor reputations in very high places, it's even more impossible than getting promoted in a tough league with an inexperienced manager with a poor track record. Well if they're trying to get all the failures under one roof they're doing a **** good job There is definately worse to come.[/p][/quote]Hello Victor[/p][/quote]Hi master desai - bator. gleechy
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7:10pm Mon 14 Jan 13

gleechy says...

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl


ey
wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl




ey
wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.
Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.
Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?
Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.
I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash?
I feel for your incapacity, bless you.
There's no need to go tangent surfing.
Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up?

You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.
[quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us! There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.[/p][/quote]Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.[/p][/quote]Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?[/p][/quote]Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check" "yes we're run by iditots" You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.[/p][/quote]I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash? I feel for your incapacity, bless you.[/p][/quote]There's no need to go tangent surfing. Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up? You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you. gleechy
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7:10pm Mon 14 Jan 13

8 Ball Deluxe says...

gleechy wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
So they use JA who turns the club into a disaster, they bring in many poor players and give them lucrative contracts with do doubt massive agent's fees, and one good player.

All rumours point to Rovers needing experience to keep afloat, so they get inexperience, then sack him and get more inexperience, whilst having to pay off other clubs and use money for bad decisions.

Then they want someone to make up good stories to tell everybody to get them happy.
We have people with very poor reputations in very high places, it's even more impossible than getting promoted in a tough league with an inexperienced manager with a poor track record.

Well if they're trying to get all the failures under one roof they're doing a **** good job

There is definately worse to come.
Hello Victor
Hi master desai - bator.
Hello mr leach, you a bit off colour tonight, you are usually sucking on dangerous daves post, hasall that blood gone rushing to your head? :0)
[quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: So they use JA who turns the club into a disaster, they bring in many poor players and give them lucrative contracts with do doubt massive agent's fees, and one good player. All rumours point to Rovers needing experience to keep afloat, so they get inexperience, then sack him and get more inexperience, whilst having to pay off other clubs and use money for bad decisions. Then they want someone to make up good stories to tell everybody to get them happy. We have people with very poor reputations in very high places, it's even more impossible than getting promoted in a tough league with an inexperienced manager with a poor track record. Well if they're trying to get all the failures under one roof they're doing a **** good job There is definately worse to come.[/p][/quote]Hello Victor[/p][/quote]Hi master desai - bator.[/p][/quote]Hello mr leach, you a bit off colour tonight, you are usually sucking on dangerous daves post, hasall that blood gone rushing to your head? :0) 8 Ball Deluxe
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7:12pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Colne lads back says...

Just been on sky news that Carl Pilkington has applied for the PR job.

Yet on other IDIOT abroad.... Only at Comedy Central


K L U
U T C
Just been on sky news that Carl Pilkington has applied for the PR job. Yet on other IDIOT abroad.... Only at Comedy Central K L U U T C Colne lads back
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7:15pm Mon 14 Jan 13

merlinrabbit says...

Colne lads back wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl

ey
wrote:
Blackburn fans love horses wrote:
George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !
Nope, but you can roll the turd in glitter - which is what Venkys are trying to do with the Turd that is now Blackburn Rovers.

Must be a Burnley PR firm - loads of positive press about Venkys at the right end of the M65.
you can roll a turd in glitter! obviosly you'e tried this alreay....maybe you've had one between a couple of slices of George' whitebread.

Now go away you stalking freaks.
Stop dribbling on your keyboard LRH,all the keys are sticking,or are you doing something that your not supposed to do
Colne Lad alias Brian originally from Blackburn. Why do you persist in this pretense. You are from Blackburn so just admit it and join us..
[quote][p][bold]Colne lads back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn fans love horses[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd ![/p][/quote]Nope, but you can roll the turd in glitter - which is what Venkys are trying to do with the Turd that is now Blackburn Rovers. Must be a Burnley PR firm - loads of positive press about Venkys at the right end of the M65.[/p][/quote]you can roll a turd in glitter! obviosly you'e tried this alreay....maybe you've had one between a couple of slices of George' whitebread. Now go away you stalking freaks.[/p][/quote]Stop dribbling on your keyboard LRH,all the keys are sticking,or are you doing something that your not supposed to do[/p][/quote]Colne Lad alias Brian originally from Blackburn. Why do you persist in this pretense. You are from Blackburn so just admit it and join us.. merlinrabbit
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7:20pm Mon 14 Jan 13

gleechy says...

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
So they use JA who turns the club into a disaster, they bring in many poor players and give them lucrative contracts with do doubt massive agent's fees, and one good player.

All rumours point to Rovers needing experience to keep afloat, so they get inexperience, then sack him and get more inexperience, whilst having to pay off other clubs and use money for bad decisions.

Then they want someone to make up good stories to tell everybody to get them happy.
We have people with very poor reputations in very high places, it's even more impossible than getting promoted in a tough league with an inexperienced manager with a poor track record.

Well if they're trying to get all the failures under one roof they're doing a **** good job

There is definately worse to come.
Hello Victor
Hi master desai - bator.
Hello mr leach, you a bit off colour tonight, you are usually sucking on dangerous daves post, hasall that blood gone rushing to your head? :0)
I think your mum has been putting something in your bedtime bottle, I'm sure nobody has a clue what you are on about.
[quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: So they use JA who turns the club into a disaster, they bring in many poor players and give them lucrative contracts with do doubt massive agent's fees, and one good player. All rumours point to Rovers needing experience to keep afloat, so they get inexperience, then sack him and get more inexperience, whilst having to pay off other clubs and use money for bad decisions. Then they want someone to make up good stories to tell everybody to get them happy. We have people with very poor reputations in very high places, it's even more impossible than getting promoted in a tough league with an inexperienced manager with a poor track record. Well if they're trying to get all the failures under one roof they're doing a **** good job There is definately worse to come.[/p][/quote]Hello Victor[/p][/quote]Hi master desai - bator.[/p][/quote]Hello mr leach, you a bit off colour tonight, you are usually sucking on dangerous daves post, hasall that blood gone rushing to your head? :0)[/p][/quote]I think your mum has been putting something in your bedtime bottle, I'm sure nobody has a clue what you are on about. gleechy
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7:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13

whittaker0 says...

All I can say is that the Sports PR companies reputation could well be in shatters after associating themselves with the Venkys!
All I can say is that the Sports PR companies reputation could well be in shatters after associating themselves with the Venkys! whittaker0
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7:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13

merlinrabbit says...

Does it really take a PR company to tell them what they need to do? The whole country is telling them. Instead of seeing the press coverage as negative, why dont they listen to whats being said and then respond to it? They could start by having a presence in the running of the club, not necessarily physical but vocally would show they are interested and involved. Making statements for instance. Has anybody ever heard Mrs Desai speak? Iv heard Bilaji talking about how we will finish 8th next season (as we were heading down the PL) and then Venkatash rambling on about how he couldnt eat his tea two nights when we got relegated. I know they arent English but quite honestly, Indians of their standing usually have a good grasp of English. Our club is in the hands of one mute woman and her simpleton brothers. Stand up you cowards and speak up. We want to hear you not your stupid cronies.
Does it really take a PR company to tell them what they need to do? The whole country is telling them. Instead of seeing the press coverage as negative, why dont they listen to whats being said and then respond to it? They could start by having a presence in the running of the club, not necessarily physical but vocally would show they are interested and involved. Making statements for instance. Has anybody ever heard Mrs Desai speak? Iv heard Bilaji talking about how we will finish 8th next season (as we were heading down the PL) and then Venkatash rambling on about how he couldnt eat his tea two nights when we got relegated. I know they arent English but quite honestly, Indians of their standing usually have a good grasp of English. Our club is in the hands of one mute woman and her simpleton brothers. Stand up you cowards and speak up. We want to hear you not your stupid cronies. merlinrabbit
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7:24pm Mon 14 Jan 13

8 Ball Deluxe says...

gleechy wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl



ey
wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl





ey
wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.
Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.
Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?
Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.
I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash?
I feel for your incapacity, bless you.
There's no need to go tangent surfing.
Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up?

You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.
This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment.
These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp.
1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ
2 This once proud club is now an XYZ
3 The Venkys are asset stripping
4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out
5 They are a bunch of Shysters
6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign)
7Rovers have been systematically destroyed.
Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.
[quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us! There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.[/p][/quote]Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.[/p][/quote]Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?[/p][/quote]Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check" "yes we're run by iditots" You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.[/p][/quote]I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash? I feel for your incapacity, bless you.[/p][/quote]There's no need to go tangent surfing. Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up? You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.[/p][/quote]This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment. These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp. 1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ 2 This once proud club is now an XYZ 3 The Venkys are asset stripping 4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out 5 They are a bunch of Shysters 6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign) 7Rovers have been systematically destroyed. Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward. 8 Ball Deluxe
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7:25pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Phoenix From The Ashes says...

"BLACKBURN Rovers’ under fire owners Venky’s have hired a London public relations firm in an attempt to improve their media coverage."

Well that should work wonders... but why London? And shouldn't they start by trying to improve their image to their club's actual supporters - you don't need to hire some snooty divisive metropolitan firm to do that.

"After a series of PR disasters during their Rovers regime, Venky’s have called on The Sports PR Company to drive the way the club handle the press."

Oh, so what your saying is they just want to change how the press is portraying them and not actually improve the way they run things at all. By my own judgement it would appear that the press have been very light on them considering the barracking Rovers fans have had in recent years.
"BLACKBURN Rovers’ under fire owners Venky’s have hired a London public relations firm in an attempt to improve their media coverage." Well that should work wonders... but why London? And shouldn't they start by trying to improve their image to their club's actual supporters - you don't need to hire some snooty divisive metropolitan firm to do that. "After a series of PR disasters during their Rovers regime, Venky’s have called on The Sports PR Company to drive the way the club handle the press." Oh, so what your saying is they just want to change how the press is portraying them and not actually improve the way they run things at all. By my own judgement it would appear that the press have been very light on them considering the barracking Rovers fans have had in recent years. Phoenix From The Ashes
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7:26pm Mon 14 Jan 13

merlinrabbit says...

Colne lads back wrote:
Just been on sky news that Carl Pilkington has applied for the PR job.

Yet on other IDIOT abroad.... Only at Comedy Central


K L U
U T C
Brian Lowes. Your real name. Born in Blackburn. Own up Colne Lad. I know who you are.
[quote][p][bold]Colne lads back[/bold] wrote: Just been on sky news that Carl Pilkington has applied for the PR job. Yet on other IDIOT abroad.... Only at Comedy Central K L U U T C[/p][/quote]Brian Lowes. Your real name. Born in Blackburn. Own up Colne Lad. I know who you are. merlinrabbit
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7:31pm Mon 14 Jan 13

LittleRonnieHildersley says...

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl




ey
wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl






ey
wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.
Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.
Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?
Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.
I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash?
I feel for your incapacity, bless you.
There's no need to go tangent surfing.
Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up?

You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.
This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment.
These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp.
1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ
2 This once proud club is now an XYZ
3 The Venkys are asset stripping
4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out
5 They are a bunch of Shysters
6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign)
7Rovers have been systematically destroyed.
Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.
You're putting words into my mouth, when did I say it was good to run a club with a spiralling debt problem? I'm saying we're not a lot different to other clubs err with spiralling debt problems! you seem to think that we're an exception - where as I like to live in the real world.
[quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us! There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.[/p][/quote]Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.[/p][/quote]Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?[/p][/quote]Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check" "yes we're run by iditots" You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.[/p][/quote]I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash? I feel for your incapacity, bless you.[/p][/quote]There's no need to go tangent surfing. Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up? You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.[/p][/quote]This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment. These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp. 1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ 2 This once proud club is now an XYZ 3 The Venkys are asset stripping 4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out 5 They are a bunch of Shysters 6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign) 7Rovers have been systematically destroyed. Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.[/p][/quote]You're putting words into my mouth, when did I say it was good to run a club with a spiralling debt problem? I'm saying we're not a lot different to other clubs err with spiralling debt problems! you seem to think that we're an exception - where as I like to live in the real world. LittleRonnieHildersley
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7:32pm Mon 14 Jan 13

8 Ball Deluxe says...

LittleRonnieHildersl
ey
wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl





ey
wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl







ey
wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.
Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.
Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?
Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.
I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash?
I feel for your incapacity, bless you.
There's no need to go tangent surfing.
Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up?

You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.
This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment.
These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp.
1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ
2 This once proud club is now an XYZ
3 The Venkys are asset stripping
4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out
5 They are a bunch of Shysters
6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign)
7Rovers have been systematically destroyed.
Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.
You're putting words into my mouth, when did I say it was good to run a club with a spiralling debt problem? I'm saying we're not a lot different to other clubs err with spiralling debt problems! you seem to think that we're an exception - where as I like to live in the real world.
The reply was to gleechy who seems to think its okay.
[quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us! There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.[/p][/quote]Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.[/p][/quote]Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?[/p][/quote]Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check" "yes we're run by iditots" You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.[/p][/quote]I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash? I feel for your incapacity, bless you.[/p][/quote]There's no need to go tangent surfing. Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up? You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.[/p][/quote]This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment. These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp. 1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ 2 This once proud club is now an XYZ 3 The Venkys are asset stripping 4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out 5 They are a bunch of Shysters 6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign) 7Rovers have been systematically destroyed. Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.[/p][/quote]You're putting words into my mouth, when did I say it was good to run a club with a spiralling debt problem? I'm saying we're not a lot different to other clubs err with spiralling debt problems! you seem to think that we're an exception - where as I like to live in the real world.[/p][/quote]The reply was to gleechy who seems to think its okay. 8 Ball Deluxe
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7:35pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Colne lads back says...

merlinrabbit wrote:
Colne lads back wrote:
Just been on sky news that Carl Pilkington has applied for the PR job.

Yet on other IDIOT abroad.... Only at Comedy Central


K L U
U T C
Brian Lowes. Your real name. Born in Blackburn. Own up Colne Lad. I know who you are.
You weren't the chap dressed as Father Christmas in 1979 in the centre o BLACKBUM were you?

Why did you ask me if I wanted to look at your jimmy Saville fix it badge,a bit strange me thinks when all I wanted was train set.
[quote][p][bold]merlinrabbit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colne lads back[/bold] wrote: Just been on sky news that Carl Pilkington has applied for the PR job. Yet on other IDIOT abroad.... Only at Comedy Central K L U U T C[/p][/quote]Brian Lowes. Your real name. Born in Blackburn. Own up Colne Lad. I know who you are.[/p][/quote]You weren't the chap dressed as Father Christmas in 1979 in the centre o BLACKBUM were you? Why did you ask me if I wanted to look at your jimmy Saville fix it badge,a bit strange me thinks when all I wanted was train set. Colne lads back
  • Score: 0

7:37pm Mon 14 Jan 13

gleechy says...

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl




ey
wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl






ey
wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.
Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.
Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?
Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.
I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash?
I feel for your incapacity, bless you.
There's no need to go tangent surfing.
Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up?

You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.
This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment.
These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp.
1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ
2 This once proud club is now an XYZ
3 The Venkys are asset stripping
4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out
5 They are a bunch of Shysters
6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign)
7Rovers have been systematically destroyed.
Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.
So you come on here telling everybody who dosen't do as you that they are loons and then you tell me what I think and at the end of it that I'll be going to the loony ward..

MIRROR MIRROR MIRROR alert alert uncover your mirrors

If you don't follow football, and (judging by your obscure tangent waffles you haven't been near the Rovers very long) why do you bother coming on a football forum, are you lost?
[quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us! There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.[/p][/quote]Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.[/p][/quote]Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?[/p][/quote]Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check" "yes we're run by iditots" You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.[/p][/quote]I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash? I feel for your incapacity, bless you.[/p][/quote]There's no need to go tangent surfing. Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up? You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.[/p][/quote]This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment. These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp. 1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ 2 This once proud club is now an XYZ 3 The Venkys are asset stripping 4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out 5 They are a bunch of Shysters 6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign) 7Rovers have been systematically destroyed. Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.[/p][/quote]So you come on here telling everybody who dosen't do as you that they are loons and then you tell me what I think and at the end of it that I'll be going to the loony ward.. MIRROR MIRROR MIRROR alert alert uncover your mirrors If you don't follow football, and (judging by your obscure tangent waffles you haven't been near the Rovers very long) why do you bother coming on a football forum, are you lost? gleechy
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7:37pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Colne lads back says...

Colne lads back wrote:
merlinrabbit wrote:
Colne lads back wrote:
Just been on sky news that Carl Pilkington has applied for the PR job.

Yet on other IDIOT abroad.... Only at Comedy Central


K L U
U T C
Brian Lowes. Your real name. Born in Blackburn. Own up Colne Lad. I know who you are.
You weren't the chap dressed as Father Christmas in 1979 in the centre o BLACKBUM were you?

Why did you ask me if I wanted to look at your jimmy Saville fix it badge,a bit strange me thinks when all I wanted was train set.
Now who's stalking who

WEIRDO
[quote][p][bold]Colne lads back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merlinrabbit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colne lads back[/bold] wrote: Just been on sky news that Carl Pilkington has applied for the PR job. Yet on other IDIOT abroad.... Only at Comedy Central K L U U T C[/p][/quote]Brian Lowes. Your real name. Born in Blackburn. Own up Colne Lad. I know who you are.[/p][/quote]You weren't the chap dressed as Father Christmas in 1979 in the centre o BLACKBUM were you? Why did you ask me if I wanted to look at your jimmy Saville fix it badge,a bit strange me thinks when all I wanted was train set.[/p][/quote]Now who's stalking who WEIRDO Colne lads back
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7:38pm Mon 14 Jan 13

LittleRonnieHildersley says...

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl

ey
wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl






ey
wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl








ey
wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.
Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.
Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?
Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.
I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash?
I feel for your incapacity, bless you.
There's no need to go tangent surfing.
Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up?

You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.
This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment.
These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp.
1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ
2 This once proud club is now an XYZ
3 The Venkys are asset stripping
4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out
5 They are a bunch of Shysters
6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign)
7Rovers have been systematically destroyed.
Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.
You're putting words into my mouth, when did I say it was good to run a club with a spiralling debt problem? I'm saying we're not a lot different to other clubs err with spiralling debt problems! you seem to think that we're an exception - where as I like to live in the real world.
The reply was to gleechy who seems to think its okay.
Yeah, sorry I was replying to him and not you.
[quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us! There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.[/p][/quote]Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.[/p][/quote]Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?[/p][/quote]Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check" "yes we're run by iditots" You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.[/p][/quote]I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash? I feel for your incapacity, bless you.[/p][/quote]There's no need to go tangent surfing. Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up? You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.[/p][/quote]This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment. These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp. 1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ 2 This once proud club is now an XYZ 3 The Venkys are asset stripping 4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out 5 They are a bunch of Shysters 6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign) 7Rovers have been systematically destroyed. Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.[/p][/quote]You're putting words into my mouth, when did I say it was good to run a club with a spiralling debt problem? I'm saying we're not a lot different to other clubs err with spiralling debt problems! you seem to think that we're an exception - where as I like to live in the real world.[/p][/quote]The reply was to gleechy who seems to think its okay.[/p][/quote]Yeah, sorry I was replying to him and not you. LittleRonnieHildersley
  • Score: 0

7:48pm Mon 14 Jan 13

gleechy says...

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl

ey
wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl






ey
wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl








ey
wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.
Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.
Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?
Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.
I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash?
I feel for your incapacity, bless you.
There's no need to go tangent surfing.
Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up?

You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.
This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment.
These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp.
1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ
2 This once proud club is now an XYZ
3 The Venkys are asset stripping
4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out
5 They are a bunch of Shysters
6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign)
7Rovers have been systematically destroyed.
Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.
You're putting words into my mouth, when did I say it was good to run a club with a spiralling debt problem? I'm saying we're not a lot different to other clubs err with spiralling debt problems! you seem to think that we're an exception - where as I like to live in the real world.
The reply was to gleechy who seems to think its okay.
No, after you.
Gleechy seems to think it's ok? I'm on the other side you are the one who hates anybody for dissliking poor management.
[quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us! There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.[/p][/quote]Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.[/p][/quote]Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?[/p][/quote]Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check" "yes we're run by iditots" You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.[/p][/quote]I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash? I feel for your incapacity, bless you.[/p][/quote]There's no need to go tangent surfing. Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up? You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.[/p][/quote]This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment. These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp. 1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ 2 This once proud club is now an XYZ 3 The Venkys are asset stripping 4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out 5 They are a bunch of Shysters 6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign) 7Rovers have been systematically destroyed. Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.[/p][/quote]You're putting words into my mouth, when did I say it was good to run a club with a spiralling debt problem? I'm saying we're not a lot different to other clubs err with spiralling debt problems! you seem to think that we're an exception - where as I like to live in the real world.[/p][/quote]The reply was to gleechy who seems to think its okay.[/p][/quote]No, after you. Gleechy seems to think it's ok? I'm on the other side you are the one who hates anybody for dissliking poor management. gleechy
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7:48pm Mon 14 Jan 13

gleechy says...

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl

ey
wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl






ey
wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl








ey
wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.
Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.
Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?
Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.
I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash?
I feel for your incapacity, bless you.
There's no need to go tangent surfing.
Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up?

You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.
This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment.
These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp.
1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ
2 This once proud club is now an XYZ
3 The Venkys are asset stripping
4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out
5 They are a bunch of Shysters
6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign)
7Rovers have been systematically destroyed.
Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.
You're putting words into my mouth, when did I say it was good to run a club with a spiralling debt problem? I'm saying we're not a lot different to other clubs err with spiralling debt problems! you seem to think that we're an exception - where as I like to live in the real world.
The reply was to gleechy who seems to think its okay.
No, after you.
Gleechy seems to think it's ok? I'm on the other side you are the one who hates anybody for dissliking poor management.
[quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us! There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.[/p][/quote]Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.[/p][/quote]Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?[/p][/quote]Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check" "yes we're run by iditots" You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.[/p][/quote]I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash? I feel for your incapacity, bless you.[/p][/quote]There's no need to go tangent surfing. Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up? You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.[/p][/quote]This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment. These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp. 1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ 2 This once proud club is now an XYZ 3 The Venkys are asset stripping 4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out 5 They are a bunch of Shysters 6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign) 7Rovers have been systematically destroyed. Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.[/p][/quote]You're putting words into my mouth, when did I say it was good to run a club with a spiralling debt problem? I'm saying we're not a lot different to other clubs err with spiralling debt problems! you seem to think that we're an exception - where as I like to live in the real world.[/p][/quote]The reply was to gleechy who seems to think its okay.[/p][/quote]No, after you. Gleechy seems to think it's ok? I'm on the other side you are the one who hates anybody for dissliking poor management. gleechy
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7:56pm Mon 14 Jan 13

hasslem hasslem says...

whilst there are a couple rowing on here - jus thought those who continue to read this thread...

michael appleton is a client of the sports pr company.

not judging - just saying
whilst there are a couple rowing on here - jus thought those who continue to read this thread... michael appleton is a client of the sports pr company. not judging - just saying hasslem hasslem
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8:01pm Mon 14 Jan 13

chrssgreen says...

flyingv1 wrote:
The Fire Brigade telephoned Sean Dyche and said "Mr Dyche, there is a fire at Turf Moor" He replied immediately "save the cups" The fireman replied " Don't worry, the fire has not reached the canteen yet"
The film rights to the debacle at that club will be worth a fortune... "Carry On Down The Leagues".. Would win an Oscar for sure..
[quote][p][bold]flyingv1[/bold] wrote: The Fire Brigade telephoned Sean Dyche and said "Mr Dyche, there is a fire at Turf Moor" He replied immediately "save the cups" The fireman replied " Don't worry, the fire has not reached the canteen yet"[/p][/quote]The film rights to the debacle at that club will be worth a fortune... "Carry On Down The Leagues".. Would win an Oscar for sure.. chrssgreen
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8:09pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Is Eckersley playing? says...

whittaker0 wrote:
All I can say is that the Sports PR companies reputation could well be in shatters after associating themselves with the Venkys!
I've heard her, Merlin, I've heard her. She was on Radio Lancs a couple of weeks after the take-over. I have two memories of the conversation. (1) She was asked how long she had been interested in football. She said had a passing interest but then she said, quote " But my brothers know a lot about football "(2) She was asked about finance and she talked about players they were interested in. (Not by name) Every time she mentioned money it was in Euros. She said they were looking at buying a player soon for 3 million euros and she kept on mentioning the"EPL" instead of Premier League. Me, I hate that Indian woman so much I will never mention her name.. .
[quote][p][bold]whittaker0[/bold] wrote: All I can say is that the Sports PR companies reputation could well be in shatters after associating themselves with the Venkys![/p][/quote]I've heard her, Merlin, I've heard her. She was on Radio Lancs a couple of weeks after the take-over. I have two memories of the conversation. (1) She was asked how long she had been interested in football. She said had a passing interest but then she said, quote " But my brothers know a lot about football "(2) She was asked about finance and she talked about players they were interested in. (Not by name) Every time she mentioned money it was in Euros. She said they were looking at buying a player soon for 3 million euros and she kept on mentioning the"EPL" instead of Premier League. Me, I hate that Indian woman so much I will never mention her name.. . Is Eckersley playing?
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8:13pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Is Eckersley playing? says...

merlinrabbit wrote:
Does it really take a PR company to tell them what they need to do? The whole country is telling them. Instead of seeing the press coverage as negative, why dont they listen to whats being said and then respond to it? They could start by having a presence in the running of the club, not necessarily physical but vocally would show they are interested and involved. Making statements for instance. Has anybody ever heard Mrs Desai speak? Iv heard Bilaji talking about how we will finish 8th next season (as we were heading down the PL) and then Venkatash rambling on about how he couldnt eat his tea two nights when we got relegated. I know they arent English but quite honestly, Indians of their standing usually have a good grasp of English. Our club is in the hands of one mute woman and her simpleton brothers. Stand up you cowards and speak up. We want to hear you not your stupid cronies.
Sorry, hit the wrong button. The above refers to my post a few mins ago
[quote][p][bold]merlinrabbit[/bold] wrote: Does it really take a PR company to tell them what they need to do? The whole country is telling them. Instead of seeing the press coverage as negative, why dont they listen to whats being said and then respond to it? They could start by having a presence in the running of the club, not necessarily physical but vocally would show they are interested and involved. Making statements for instance. Has anybody ever heard Mrs Desai speak? Iv heard Bilaji talking about how we will finish 8th next season (as we were heading down the PL) and then Venkatash rambling on about how he couldnt eat his tea two nights when we got relegated. I know they arent English but quite honestly, Indians of their standing usually have a good grasp of English. Our club is in the hands of one mute woman and her simpleton brothers. Stand up you cowards and speak up. We want to hear you not your stupid cronies.[/p][/quote]Sorry, hit the wrong button. The above refers to my post a few mins ago Is Eckersley playing?
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8:13pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Harwoodstblue says...

" Venky’s hire PR firm to improve image "

I would prefer for Venkys to spend the money on the team if they have money to spare rather than spend it on their ' image. ' They have ruined that themselves, along with everything Blackburn Rovers.
" Venky’s hire PR firm to improve image " I would prefer for Venkys to spend the money on the team if they have money to spare rather than spend it on their ' image. ' They have ruined that themselves, along with everything Blackburn Rovers. Harwoodstblue
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8:15pm Mon 14 Jan 13

silverstan says...

Stone Island: wrote:
nil bye mouth wrote:
HA HA HA Clueless classless club .A TOTAL LAUGHING STOCK.
Hey nil for brains, your on the wrong pages again, you scruffy article!
Isn't your sister / aunt / mother in need of some fondling ???
[quote][p][bold]Stone Island:[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nil bye mouth[/bold] wrote: HA HA HA Clueless classless club .A TOTAL LAUGHING STOCK.[/p][/quote]Hey nil for brains, your on the wrong pages again, you scruffy article![/p][/quote]Isn't your sister / aunt / mother in need of some fondling ??? silverstan
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8:21pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Harwoodstblue says...

Colne lads back wrote:
Colne lads back wrote:
merlinrabbit wrote:
Colne lads back wrote:
Just been on sky news that Carl Pilkington has applied for the PR job.

Yet on other IDIOT abroad.... Only at Comedy Central


K L U
U T C
Brian Lowes. Your real name. Born in Blackburn. Own up Colne Lad. I know who you are.
You weren't the chap dressed as Father Christmas in 1979 in the centre o BLACKBUM were you?

Why did you ask me if I wanted to look at your jimmy Saville fix it badge,a bit strange me thinks when all I wanted was train set.
Now who's stalking who

WEIRDO
Hello Brian.......Weirdo.
[quote][p][bold]Colne lads back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colne lads back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merlinrabbit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colne lads back[/bold] wrote: Just been on sky news that Carl Pilkington has applied for the PR job. Yet on other IDIOT abroad.... Only at Comedy Central K L U U T C[/p][/quote]Brian Lowes. Your real name. Born in Blackburn. Own up Colne Lad. I know who you are.[/p][/quote]You weren't the chap dressed as Father Christmas in 1979 in the centre o BLACKBUM were you? Why did you ask me if I wanted to look at your jimmy Saville fix it badge,a bit strange me thinks when all I wanted was train set.[/p][/quote]Now who's stalking who WEIRDO[/p][/quote]Hello Brian.......Weirdo. Harwoodstblue
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8:30pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Colne lads back says...

What's the difference between shabby doooo and God?

God doesn't think he's shabby doooo
What's the difference between shabby doooo and God? God doesn't think he's shabby doooo Colne lads back
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8:36pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Colne lads back says...

What do you get if you offer a wrovers fan a penny for his thoughts?

Change
What do you get if you offer a wrovers fan a penny for his thoughts? Change Colne lads back
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8:43pm Mon 14 Jan 13

8 Ball Deluxe says...

gleechy wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl


ey
wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl







ey
wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl









ey
wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.
Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.
Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?
Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.
I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash?
I feel for your incapacity, bless you.
There's no need to go tangent surfing.
Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up?

You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.
This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment.
These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp.
1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ
2 This once proud club is now an XYZ
3 The Venkys are asset stripping
4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out
5 They are a bunch of Shysters
6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign)
7Rovers have been systematically destroyed.
Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.
You're putting words into my mouth, when did I say it was good to run a club with a spiralling debt problem? I'm saying we're not a lot different to other clubs err with spiralling debt problems! you seem to think that we're an exception - where as I like to live in the real world.
The reply was to gleechy who seems to think its okay.
No, after you.
Gleechy seems to think it's ok? I'm on the other side you are the one who hates anybody for dissliking poor management.
So in gleechys world of business, good management is racking up 24 million in debt and operating in a market that you can no longer sustain.
Ever thougt of working for Poly Peck?
You are obviously a POLY PECK GENIUS
[quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us! There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.[/p][/quote]Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.[/p][/quote]Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?[/p][/quote]Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check" "yes we're run by iditots" You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.[/p][/quote]I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash? I feel for your incapacity, bless you.[/p][/quote]There's no need to go tangent surfing. Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up? You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.[/p][/quote]This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment. These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp. 1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ 2 This once proud club is now an XYZ 3 The Venkys are asset stripping 4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out 5 They are a bunch of Shysters 6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign) 7Rovers have been systematically destroyed. Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.[/p][/quote]You're putting words into my mouth, when did I say it was good to run a club with a spiralling debt problem? I'm saying we're not a lot different to other clubs err with spiralling debt problems! you seem to think that we're an exception - where as I like to live in the real world.[/p][/quote]The reply was to gleechy who seems to think its okay.[/p][/quote]No, after you. Gleechy seems to think it's ok? I'm on the other side you are the one who hates anybody for dissliking poor management.[/p][/quote]So in gleechys world of business, good management is racking up 24 million in debt and operating in a market that you can no longer sustain. Ever thougt of working for Poly Peck? You are obviously a POLY PECK GENIUS 8 Ball Deluxe
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8:47pm Mon 14 Jan 13

kazluvsrovers says...

merlinrabbit wrote:
Does it really take a PR company to tell them what they need to do? The whole country is telling them. Instead of seeing the press coverage as negative, why dont they listen to whats being said and then respond to it? They could start by having a presence in the running of the club, not necessarily physical but vocally would show they are interested and involved. Making statements for instance. Has anybody ever heard Mrs Desai speak? Iv heard Bilaji talking about how we will finish 8th next season (as we were heading down the PL) and then Venkatash rambling on about how he couldnt eat his tea two nights when we got relegated. I know they arent English but quite honestly, Indians of their standing usually have a good grasp of English. Our club is in the hands of one mute woman and her simpleton brothers. Stand up you cowards and speak up. We want to hear you not your stupid cronies.
Well said Merlinrabbit!!!
[quote][p][bold]merlinrabbit[/bold] wrote: Does it really take a PR company to tell them what they need to do? The whole country is telling them. Instead of seeing the press coverage as negative, why dont they listen to whats being said and then respond to it? They could start by having a presence in the running of the club, not necessarily physical but vocally would show they are interested and involved. Making statements for instance. Has anybody ever heard Mrs Desai speak? Iv heard Bilaji talking about how we will finish 8th next season (as we were heading down the PL) and then Venkatash rambling on about how he couldnt eat his tea two nights when we got relegated. I know they arent English but quite honestly, Indians of their standing usually have a good grasp of English. Our club is in the hands of one mute woman and her simpleton brothers. Stand up you cowards and speak up. We want to hear you not your stupid cronies.[/p][/quote]Well said Merlinrabbit!!! kazluvsrovers
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9:05pm Mon 14 Jan 13

RoversMCMLXXV says...

George.White.Bread wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !
Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot
Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right.
You should know about polishing turds Georgina - you daft tw4ts have been attempting to polish turds and invisible trophies for decades.

At least there's the 'We dominated possession against Rovers' trophy you presented yourselves with

just a bunch of shiny faced tobacco chewing dreamers.....
[quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd ![/p][/quote]Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right.[/p][/quote]You should know about polishing turds Georgina - you daft tw4ts have been attempting to polish turds and invisible trophies for decades. At least there's the 'We dominated possession against Rovers' trophy you presented yourselves with just a bunch of shiny faced tobacco chewing dreamers..... RoversMCMLXXV
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9:21pm Mon 14 Jan 13

gleechy says...

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl



ey
wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl








ey
wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl










ey
wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us!

There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.
Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.
Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?
Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check"
"yes we're run by iditots"

You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.
I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash?
I feel for your incapacity, bless you.
There's no need to go tangent surfing.
Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up?

You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.
This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment.
These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp.
1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ
2 This once proud club is now an XYZ
3 The Venkys are asset stripping
4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out
5 They are a bunch of Shysters
6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign)
7Rovers have been systematically destroyed.
Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.
You're putting words into my mouth, when did I say it was good to run a club with a spiralling debt problem? I'm saying we're not a lot different to other clubs err with spiralling debt problems! you seem to think that we're an exception - where as I like to live in the real world.
The reply was to gleechy who seems to think its okay.
No, after you.
Gleechy seems to think it's ok? I'm on the other side you are the one who hates anybody for dissliking poor management.
So in gleechys world of business, good management is racking up 24 million in debt and operating in a market that you can no longer sustain.
Ever thougt of working for Poly Peck?
You are obviously a POLY PECK GENIUS
Did you use my words? I don't think so genius.

Just for your childish mind, Rovers had a good value for money club with excellent history. Decisions were made and the club was very well respected and was managing it's debt and nobody feared for it's future.

Your Mum came along and loving cricket but needing to further her business name in Europe she used some spare cash to buy the club and called it her baby.

Made massive cost cutting measures ,(this is probably about the time that you became interested in football) and sold anything that was valuable. I bet you had a lovely pram. There hasn't been a single important positive decision since regarding the benefit of the football club, which has moved irreversibly backwards.

You don't have to be a banker or business proffessional to see the neglect and utter deriliction of duties performed by the owners, just common sense. But from your posts this seems to be in short supply.

For your information, they haven't finished yet, and nobody knows the outcome, but even the public who slated Rovers fans last year are now biting their tongue and uttering their astonishment at the circus that is Rovers.
[quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]8 Ball - spot on, we need a reality check that we are no different to any other club. There are very few well run clubs (Swansea - 20% fan ownership, West Brom). Why should we think we are any different or any better than anyone else. Some clubs have been through far worse - yes we're run by iditots and it could potentially get a lot worse. At the moment we've not been through what some clubs have e.g. Portsmouth, Darlington, Leeds, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Brighton etc we could be but at least for a lot of those clubs the fans still turn up and support the team 20k wolves fans and they're below us! There is so much momentum behind being negative, I can understand why it's then difficult to be positive. But now is the time to get behind Appleton and the team.[/p][/quote]Please don't drink and write it fogs reality.[/p][/quote]Can you be more specific, what is not reality about what I posted?[/p][/quote]Yes, here we go; "spot on, we need a reality check" "yes we're run by iditots" You pointed out that we are run by idiots, what more is there to say? You want idiots to do the right thing. And you condone calling geniune Rovers fans for knowing what you know and being more angry than you.[/p][/quote]I don't expect you to understand that running a business with a spiralling debt problem is not good. People tasked and running with that level of debt you seem to think are good at running a business and you hold them in such high regard. Tell me, did you work in the banking sector just before the crash? I feel for your incapacity, bless you.[/p][/quote]There's no need to go tangent surfing. Rovers well run, now being drained and taken down at the same time, nothing to do with banking crash, are you keeping up? You are seeing the destruction of a mighty club, and you are calling people who don't like it being torn apart,in turn allowing your Mrs Desai's team more time to squeeze any remaining publicity from their destruction. But you probably want to get back to your game of pool, don't let anyone stop you.[/p][/quote]This club isn't mighty, its a small town club in lancashire, its not even in a big city. I think you need to lay down. It could rub shoulders with the best when Jack was propping it up, but he aint propping no more and no amount of you having a tizzy fit will get that kind of investment. These appear to be the statements you have to have in your locker from the BRAG camp. 1 Jack Walker will be spinning in his grave because of XYZ 2 This once proud club is now an XYZ 3 The Venkys are asset stripping 4 Shaw agnew shebby and XYZ out 5 They are a bunch of Shysters 6 If they appoint XYZ we will step up the campaign ( what campaign would that be, the GET THE PREMIER LEAGUE GLORY HUNTERS BACK TO EWOOD campaign) 7Rovers have been systematically destroyed. Please feel free to use these statements in no particular order, as the more you type them, the more likely you will get the club given to you for free, just before entering the looney toon ward.[/p][/quote]You're putting words into my mouth, when did I say it was good to run a club with a spiralling debt problem? I'm saying we're not a lot different to other clubs err with spiralling debt problems! you seem to think that we're an exception - where as I like to live in the real world.[/p][/quote]The reply was to gleechy who seems to think its okay.[/p][/quote]No, after you. Gleechy seems to think it's ok? I'm on the other side you are the one who hates anybody for dissliking poor management.[/p][/quote]So in gleechys world of business, good management is racking up 24 million in debt and operating in a market that you can no longer sustain. Ever thougt of working for Poly Peck? You are obviously a POLY PECK GENIUS[/p][/quote]Did you use my words? I don't think so genius. Just for your childish mind, Rovers had a good value for money club with excellent history. Decisions were made and the club was very well respected and was managing it's debt and nobody feared for it's future. Your Mum came along and loving cricket but needing to further her business name in Europe she used some spare cash to buy the club and called it her baby. Made massive cost cutting measures ,(this is probably about the time that you became interested in football) and sold anything that was valuable. I bet you had a lovely pram. There hasn't been a single important positive decision since regarding the benefit of the football club, which has moved irreversibly backwards. You don't have to be a banker or business proffessional to see the neglect and utter deriliction of duties performed by the owners, just common sense. But from your posts this seems to be in short supply. For your information, they haven't finished yet, and nobody knows the outcome, but even the public who slated Rovers fans last year are now biting their tongue and uttering their astonishment at the circus that is Rovers. gleechy
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9:31pm Mon 14 Jan 13

LittleRonnieHildersley says...

Gleechy your interpretation of these posts is quite bizarre - no one is suggesting that running a club unsustainably is a good idea despite a large debt being run up under the walker trust.
Gleechy your interpretation of these posts is quite bizarre - no one is suggesting that running a club unsustainably is a good idea despite a large debt being run up under the walker trust. LittleRonnieHildersley
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9:51pm Mon 14 Jan 13

gleechy says...

LittleRonnieHildersl
ey
wrote:
Gleechy your interpretation of these posts is quite bizarre - no one is suggesting that running a club unsustainably is a good idea despite a large debt being run up under the walker trust.
24 mill a large debt?
By any standards certainly more sustainable whilst you have quality working for your club.

Now there is no quality and figures are unpredictable until they are finished,but on the surface they are nose diving the club, what is so bizarre?
[quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: Gleechy your interpretation of these posts is quite bizarre - no one is suggesting that running a club unsustainably is a good idea despite a large debt being run up under the walker trust.[/p][/quote]24 mill a large debt? By any standards certainly more sustainable whilst you have quality working for your club. Now there is no quality and figures are unpredictable until they are finished,but on the surface they are nose diving the club, what is so bizarre? gleechy
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10:06pm Mon 14 Jan 13

LittleRonnieHildersley says...

gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl

ey
wrote:
Gleechy your interpretation of these posts is quite bizarre - no one is suggesting that running a club unsustainably is a good idea despite a large debt being run up under the walker trust.
24 mill a large debt?
By any standards certainly more sustainable whilst you have quality working for your club.

Now there is no quality and figures are unpredictable until they are finished,but on the surface they are nose diving the club, what is so bizarre?
What's bizarre is that you think myself and 8 ball are saying that what Venkys are doing is good and secondly that you seem to think that we're the only club that this has happened to. No doubt a misinterpretation and broken record response will follow.
[quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: Gleechy your interpretation of these posts is quite bizarre - no one is suggesting that running a club unsustainably is a good idea despite a large debt being run up under the walker trust.[/p][/quote]24 mill a large debt? By any standards certainly more sustainable whilst you have quality working for your club. Now there is no quality and figures are unpredictable until they are finished,but on the surface they are nose diving the club, what is so bizarre?[/p][/quote]What's bizarre is that you think myself and 8 ball are saying that what Venkys are doing is good and secondly that you seem to think that we're the only club that this has happened to. No doubt a misinterpretation and broken record response will follow. LittleRonnieHildersley
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10:12pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Angry From Accrington says...

And when their job is done at Ewood they have contracts with Robert Mugabe, President Hassan of Syria and Peter Sutcliffe to help them wind down.
And when their job is done at Ewood they have contracts with Robert Mugabe, President Hassan of Syria and Peter Sutcliffe to help them wind down. Angry From Accrington
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10:21pm Mon 14 Jan 13

BulgarianRover84 says...

I read a book in which it is stated that the long term debt of a company should be not more than the net revenue for 3 years. Even though the Venky's have worked on the debt aspect, the Revenue aspect is getting gradually more worrying. Our revenue gates are decreasing - we have average attendance of less than 46% of capacity. And when you think that in the beginning Venky's were talking about increasing the stadium capacity, it's really sad...We are going to receive the last parachute payments on TV rights and then if we don't get back to the Premier league soon, it gets very difficult.
The fans want three things: results, attractive football and their opinion being heard (as pointed out in an earlier post, receiving a reply to an e-mail is at least something).
In my opinion Venky's have to simplify the executive structure, hire an experienced manager with his own backroom staff, who would straighten up the defence, increase the pass success ratio and start getting positive results. We need more defenders in this transfer window and to get rid of surplus midfield players that don't even get used as substitutes!...
I wish Appleton success, but I am furthermore puzzled at the latest appointment. Our last three managers (Kean, Berg and Appleton) don't have a win ratio of more than 40%. For me there were good candidates available, but we missed the opportunity.
At the moment there are two available that in my opinion would at least take us to the playoff zone: Curbishley and Billy Davies. I suppose Venky's didn't opt for them, because they are known for standing firm for their own opinion.
Finally, as someone else pointed out, the only way forward is either a radical overhaul in the structure and/or change of ownership that would again lead to that radical overhaul. I am sure many fans would love to own a share of their favourite club and have voting rights.
I read a book in which it is stated that the long term debt of a company should be not more than the net revenue for 3 years. Even though the Venky's have worked on the debt aspect, the Revenue aspect is getting gradually more worrying. Our revenue gates are decreasing - we have average attendance of less than 46% of capacity. And when you think that in the beginning Venky's were talking about increasing the stadium capacity, it's really sad...We are going to receive the last parachute payments on TV rights and then if we don't get back to the Premier league soon, it gets very difficult. The fans want three things: results, attractive football and their opinion being heard (as pointed out in an earlier post, receiving a reply to an e-mail is at least something). In my opinion Venky's have to simplify the executive structure, hire an experienced manager with his own backroom staff, who would straighten up the defence, increase the pass success ratio and start getting positive results. We need more defenders in this transfer window and to get rid of surplus midfield players that don't even get used as substitutes!... I wish Appleton success, but I am furthermore puzzled at the latest appointment. Our last three managers (Kean, Berg and Appleton) don't have a win ratio of more than 40%. For me there were good candidates available, but we missed the opportunity. At the moment there are two available that in my opinion would at least take us to the playoff zone: Curbishley and Billy Davies. I suppose Venky's didn't opt for them, because they are known for standing firm for their own opinion. Finally, as someone else pointed out, the only way forward is either a radical overhaul in the structure and/or change of ownership that would again lead to that radical overhaul. I am sure many fans would love to own a share of their favourite club and have voting rights. BulgarianRover84
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10:43pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Heidenreicher says...

BRING BACK JOHN, BRING BACK JOHN, BRING BACK JOHN ~ ♫
BRING BACK JOHN, BRING BACK JOHN, BRING BACK JOHN ~ ♫ Heidenreicher
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10:43pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Heidenreicher says...

BRING BACK JOHN, BRING BACK JOHN, BRING BACK JOHN ~ ♫
BRING BACK JOHN, BRING BACK JOHN, BRING BACK JOHN ~ ♫ Heidenreicher
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10:48pm Mon 14 Jan 13

George.White.Bread says...

RoversMCMLXXV wrote:
George.White.Bread wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !
Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot
Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right.
You should know about polishing turds Georgina - you daft tw4ts have been attempting to polish turds and invisible trophies for decades.

At least there's the 'We dominated possession against Rovers' trophy you presented yourselves with

just a bunch of shiny faced tobacco chewing dreamers.....
Oi Listen, artist formerly known as Rovers75, kiss my hairy bean bag, the only reason why you're having a nibble and getting so worked up is because you know I'm right.

I'm afraid that you're just another soup stained Rovers dreamer who insists on living in the past. Instead of getting your lemon and brown stained ripped Y fronts in a twist why not build yourself a flux capacitor, fit it to a Delorian and crank it up to 88 mph, that's the only way your ever gonna see the glory days again down at the Ewood and Bucket comedy club (soon to be the biggest Lidl in East Lancs).

I'm sure you and the thousands of other loyal "supporters" will be down at AFC Darwen, where you'll be ground sharing in a couple of years time, to watch the newly formed AFC
Blackburn Rovers playing Barnoldswick Town in the Dr Martin cheese and onion crisp league 1 reserves.
[quote][p][bold]RoversMCMLXXV[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd ![/p][/quote]Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right.[/p][/quote]You should know about polishing turds Georgina - you daft tw4ts have been attempting to polish turds and invisible trophies for decades. At least there's the 'We dominated possession against Rovers' trophy you presented yourselves with just a bunch of shiny faced tobacco chewing dreamers.....[/p][/quote]Oi Listen, artist formerly known as Rovers75, kiss my hairy bean bag, the only reason why you're having a nibble and getting so worked up is because you know I'm right. I'm afraid that you're just another soup stained Rovers dreamer who insists on living in the past. Instead of getting your lemon and brown stained ripped Y fronts in a twist why not build yourself a flux capacitor, fit it to a Delorian and crank it up to 88 mph, that's the only way your ever gonna see the glory days again down at the Ewood and Bucket comedy club (soon to be the biggest Lidl in East Lancs). I'm sure you and the thousands of other loyal "supporters" will be down at AFC Darwen, where you'll be ground sharing in a couple of years time, to watch the newly formed AFC Blackburn Rovers playing Barnoldswick Town in the Dr Martin cheese and onion crisp league 1 reserves. George.White.Bread
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10:51pm Mon 14 Jan 13

gleechy says...

LittleRonnieHildersl
ey
wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl


ey
wrote:
Gleechy your interpretation of these posts is quite bizarre - no one is suggesting that running a club unsustainably is a good idea despite a large debt being run up under the walker trust.
24 mill a large debt?
By any standards certainly more sustainable whilst you have quality working for your club.

Now there is no quality and figures are unpredictable until they are finished,but on the surface they are nose diving the club, what is so bizarre?
What's bizarre is that you think myself and 8 ball are saying that what Venkys are doing is good and secondly that you seem to think that we're the only club that this has happened to. No doubt a misinterpretation and broken record response will follow.
I only speak for my club, you can waffle on about others who you don't know the history of, but I don't appreciate others knocking Rover's fans when they don't have the story and don't intend to do the same to them.
[quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: Gleechy your interpretation of these posts is quite bizarre - no one is suggesting that running a club unsustainably is a good idea despite a large debt being run up under the walker trust.[/p][/quote]24 mill a large debt? By any standards certainly more sustainable whilst you have quality working for your club. Now there is no quality and figures are unpredictable until they are finished,but on the surface they are nose diving the club, what is so bizarre?[/p][/quote]What's bizarre is that you think myself and 8 ball are saying that what Venkys are doing is good and secondly that you seem to think that we're the only club that this has happened to. No doubt a misinterpretation and broken record response will follow.[/p][/quote]I only speak for my club, you can waffle on about others who you don't know the history of, but I don't appreciate others knocking Rover's fans when they don't have the story and don't intend to do the same to them. gleechy
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11:06pm Mon 14 Jan 13

blueblooded says...

BulgarianRover84 wrote:
I read a book in which it is stated that the long term debt of a company should be not more than the net revenue for 3 years. Even though the Venky's have worked on the debt aspect, the Revenue aspect is getting gradually more worrying. Our revenue gates are decreasing - we have average attendance of less than 46% of capacity. And when you think that in the beginning Venky's were talking about increasing the stadium capacity, it's really sad...We are going to receive the last parachute payments on TV rights and then if we don't get back to the Premier league soon, it gets very difficult.
The fans want three things: results, attractive football and their opinion being heard (as pointed out in an earlier post, receiving a reply to an e-mail is at least something).
In my opinion Venky's have to simplify the executive structure, hire an experienced manager with his own backroom staff, who would straighten up the defence, increase the pass success ratio and start getting positive results. We need more defenders in this transfer window and to get rid of surplus midfield players that don't even get used as substitutes!...
I wish Appleton success, but I am furthermore puzzled at the latest appointment. Our last three managers (Kean, Berg and Appleton) don't have a win ratio of more than 40%. For me there were good candidates available, but we missed the opportunity.
At the moment there are two available that in my opinion would at least take us to the playoff zone: Curbishley and Billy Davies. I suppose Venky's didn't opt for them, because they are known for standing firm for their own opinion.
Finally, as someone else pointed out, the only way forward is either a radical overhaul in the structure and/or change of ownership that would again lead to that radical overhaul. I am sure many fans would love to own a share of their favourite club and have voting rights.
Your last paragraph is the elephant in the room where the true agendas of so called supporters, groups and individuals lie, that few want to talk about or admit to. Whenever and wherever such suggestions are made, they are met with a tirade of offensive insults and caps lock hate bullets that end any chance of a meaningful discussion.

This hatred for Venky's that is portrayed by some and voiced with a will to fall on their sword and watch Rovers tumble into non-league status to be rid of them before they would return to Ewood, at the same time damning those who attend as traitors lining Venky's pockets is the divide between two very distinct camps.

I don't lose sleep seeing the empty seats at Ewood. I've been around long enough to know that if Venky's pulled off the unimaginable and got us back to the premiership, in large, a lot of that would resolve itself despite what many like to think and verbalise frequently.
What I do find worrying is the emotive language used to deflect any suggestion of conspiracy on the part of those who openly without hesitation or need of factual evidence, are happy to accuse Venky's of corruption.
[quote][p][bold]BulgarianRover84[/bold] wrote: I read a book in which it is stated that the long term debt of a company should be not more than the net revenue for 3 years. Even though the Venky's have worked on the debt aspect, the Revenue aspect is getting gradually more worrying. Our revenue gates are decreasing - we have average attendance of less than 46% of capacity. And when you think that in the beginning Venky's were talking about increasing the stadium capacity, it's really sad...We are going to receive the last parachute payments on TV rights and then if we don't get back to the Premier league soon, it gets very difficult. The fans want three things: results, attractive football and their opinion being heard (as pointed out in an earlier post, receiving a reply to an e-mail is at least something). In my opinion Venky's have to simplify the executive structure, hire an experienced manager with his own backroom staff, who would straighten up the defence, increase the pass success ratio and start getting positive results. We need more defenders in this transfer window and to get rid of surplus midfield players that don't even get used as substitutes!... I wish Appleton success, but I am furthermore puzzled at the latest appointment. Our last three managers (Kean, Berg and Appleton) don't have a win ratio of more than 40%. For me there were good candidates available, but we missed the opportunity. At the moment there are two available that in my opinion would at least take us to the playoff zone: Curbishley and Billy Davies. I suppose Venky's didn't opt for them, because they are known for standing firm for their own opinion. Finally, as someone else pointed out, the only way forward is either a radical overhaul in the structure and/or change of ownership that would again lead to that radical overhaul. I am sure many fans would love to own a share of their favourite club and have voting rights.[/p][/quote]Your last paragraph is the elephant in the room where the true agendas of so called supporters, groups and individuals lie, that few want to talk about or admit to. Whenever and wherever such suggestions are made, they are met with a tirade of offensive insults and caps lock hate bullets that end any chance of a meaningful discussion. This hatred for Venky's that is portrayed by some and voiced with a will to fall on their sword and watch Rovers tumble into non-league status to be rid of them before they would return to Ewood, at the same time damning those who attend as traitors lining Venky's pockets is the divide between two very distinct camps. I don't lose sleep seeing the empty seats at Ewood. I've been around long enough to know that if Venky's pulled off the unimaginable and got us back to the premiership, in large, a lot of that would resolve itself despite what many like to think and verbalise frequently. What I do find worrying is the emotive language used to deflect any suggestion of conspiracy on the part of those who openly without hesitation or need of factual evidence, are happy to accuse Venky's of corruption. blueblooded
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11:11pm Mon 14 Jan 13

chrssgreen says...

George.White.Bread wrote:
RoversMCMLXXV wrote:
George.White.Bread wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
George.White.Bread wrote: Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !
Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot
Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right.
You should know about polishing turds Georgina - you daft tw4ts have been attempting to polish turds and invisible trophies for decades. At least there's the 'We dominated possession against Rovers' trophy you presented yourselves with just a bunch of shiny faced tobacco chewing dreamers.....
Oi Listen, artist formerly known as Rovers75, kiss my hairy bean bag, the only reason why you're having a nibble and getting so worked up is because you know I'm right. I'm afraid that you're just another soup stained Rovers dreamer who insists on living in the past. Instead of getting your lemon and brown stained ripped Y fronts in a twist why not build yourself a flux capacitor, fit it to a Delorian and crank it up to 88 mph, that's the only way your ever gonna see the glory days again down at the Ewood and Bucket comedy club (soon to be the biggest Lidl in East Lancs). I'm sure you and the thousands of other loyal "supporters" will be down at AFC Darwen, where you'll be ground sharing in a couple of years time, to watch the newly formed AFC Blackburn Rovers playing Barnoldswick Town in the Dr Martin cheese and onion crisp league 1 reserves.
Excuse me Sir.. Please do not associate the splendid "Barlick Town" with the future Shadsworth Rovers Dons.. As we have a reputation to keep..
[quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RoversMCMLXXV[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd ![/p][/quote]Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right.[/p][/quote]You should know about polishing turds Georgina - you daft tw4ts have been attempting to polish turds and invisible trophies for decades. At least there's the 'We dominated possession against Rovers' trophy you presented yourselves with just a bunch of shiny faced tobacco chewing dreamers.....[/p][/quote]Oi Listen, artist formerly known as Rovers75, kiss my hairy bean bag, the only reason why you're having a nibble and getting so worked up is because you know I'm right. I'm afraid that you're just another soup stained Rovers dreamer who insists on living in the past. Instead of getting your lemon and brown stained ripped Y fronts in a twist why not build yourself a flux capacitor, fit it to a Delorian and crank it up to 88 mph, that's the only way your ever gonna see the glory days again down at the Ewood and Bucket comedy club (soon to be the biggest Lidl in East Lancs). I'm sure you and the thousands of other loyal "supporters" will be down at AFC Darwen, where you'll be ground sharing in a couple of years time, to watch the newly formed AFC Blackburn Rovers playing Barnoldswick Town in the Dr Martin cheese and onion crisp league 1 reserves.[/p][/quote]Excuse me Sir.. Please do not associate the splendid "Barlick Town" with the future Shadsworth Rovers Dons.. As we have a reputation to keep.. chrssgreen
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11:59pm Mon 14 Jan 13

JPainter90 says...

If they want to improve their image they can do one back to India.
If they want to improve their image they can do one back to India. JPainter90
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12:03am Tue 15 Jan 13

JPainter90 says...

George.White.Bread wrote:
RoversMCMLXXV wrote:
George.White.Bread wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
George.White.Bread wrote:
Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !
Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot
Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right.
You should know about polishing turds Georgina - you daft tw4ts have been attempting to polish turds and invisible trophies for decades.

At least there's the 'We dominated possession against Rovers' trophy you presented yourselves with

just a bunch of shiny faced tobacco chewing dreamers.....
Oi Listen, artist formerly known as Rovers75, kiss my hairy bean bag, the only reason why you're having a nibble and getting so worked up is because you know I'm right.

I'm afraid that you're just another soup stained Rovers dreamer who insists on living in the past. Instead of getting your lemon and brown stained ripped Y fronts in a twist why not build yourself a flux capacitor, fit it to a Delorian and crank it up to 88 mph, that's the only way your ever gonna see the glory days again down at the Ewood and Bucket comedy club (soon to be the biggest Lidl in East Lancs).

I'm sure you and the thousands of other loyal "supporters" will be down at AFC Darwen, where you'll be ground sharing in a couple of years time, to watch the newly formed AFC
Blackburn Rovers playing Barnoldswick Town in the Dr Martin cheese and onion crisp league 1 reserves.
And yet still, you can't beat us. We are at our lowest point for decades and you inbread chimps still can't beat us at your own ground.
[quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RoversMCMLXXV[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd ![/p][/quote]Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right.[/p][/quote]You should know about polishing turds Georgina - you daft tw4ts have been attempting to polish turds and invisible trophies for decades. At least there's the 'We dominated possession against Rovers' trophy you presented yourselves with just a bunch of shiny faced tobacco chewing dreamers.....[/p][/quote]Oi Listen, artist formerly known as Rovers75, kiss my hairy bean bag, the only reason why you're having a nibble and getting so worked up is because you know I'm right. I'm afraid that you're just another soup stained Rovers dreamer who insists on living in the past. Instead of getting your lemon and brown stained ripped Y fronts in a twist why not build yourself a flux capacitor, fit it to a Delorian and crank it up to 88 mph, that's the only way your ever gonna see the glory days again down at the Ewood and Bucket comedy club (soon to be the biggest Lidl in East Lancs). I'm sure you and the thousands of other loyal "supporters" will be down at AFC Darwen, where you'll be ground sharing in a couple of years time, to watch the newly formed AFC Blackburn Rovers playing Barnoldswick Town in the Dr Martin cheese and onion crisp league 1 reserves.[/p][/quote]And yet still, you can't beat us. We are at our lowest point for decades and you inbread chimps still can't beat us at your own ground. JPainter90
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12:18am Tue 15 Jan 13

Kiwihead says...

Anyone bored with all this now? I know I most certainly am. Roll on summer and no football for a couple of months.
Anyone bored with all this now? I know I most certainly am. Roll on summer and no football for a couple of months. Kiwihead
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12:22am Tue 15 Jan 13

8 Ball Deluxe says...

gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl

ey
wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl



ey
wrote:
Gleechy your interpretation of these posts is quite bizarre - no one is suggesting that running a club unsustainably is a good idea despite a large debt being run up under the walker trust.
24 mill a large debt?
By any standards certainly more sustainable whilst you have quality working for your club.

Now there is no quality and figures are unpredictable until they are finished,but on the surface they are nose diving the club, what is so bizarre?
What's bizarre is that you think myself and 8 ball are saying that what Venkys are doing is good and secondly that you seem to think that we're the only club that this has happened to. No doubt a misinterpretation and broken record response will follow.
I only speak for my club, you can waffle on about others who you don't know the history of, but I don't appreciate others knocking Rover's fans when they don't have the story and don't intend to do the same to them.
Oh lord now he's using the I ONLY SPEAK FOR MY CLUB cheese sandwhich.All you need now is to walk in slow motion towards a camera with a big explosion in the background for the ultimate in Chuck Norris o vision football supporter.
Having been going to rovers since well before the walker era when the riverside and nuttall were made of wood, some of it must have splintered off and lodged between your ears. So don't talk to me about history and pretend to get all glassy eyed. The club existed before the walker era and when it came out it was 24 million in debt. Obviously it was being so well run that the debt doesn't matter in Gleechy's world of finance.
Lets talk about how well run it was shall we. The facts that we had to sell RSC Bentley, Duff, Bellamy, etc etc etc and we were still 24 million in debt. So we are now not in as much debt but they did the same as the walker trust and sold all the saleable assets, so what has changed. Er nothing really except we got relegated.
Deal with it you blubbering wet arse or just FO and stop boring everyone with your Adrain Rocky speach FFS grow some knackers some of us support the club no matter who owns it. Did anyone really care who owned it before Jack? Not really so whats your point, do you think if you blubb hard enough you will get us back to the glory days?
TOOL
[quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: Gleechy your interpretation of these posts is quite bizarre - no one is suggesting that running a club unsustainably is a good idea despite a large debt being run up under the walker trust.[/p][/quote]24 mill a large debt? By any standards certainly more sustainable whilst you have quality working for your club. Now there is no quality and figures are unpredictable until they are finished,but on the surface they are nose diving the club, what is so bizarre?[/p][/quote]What's bizarre is that you think myself and 8 ball are saying that what Venkys are doing is good and secondly that you seem to think that we're the only club that this has happened to. No doubt a misinterpretation and broken record response will follow.[/p][/quote]I only speak for my club, you can waffle on about others who you don't know the history of, but I don't appreciate others knocking Rover's fans when they don't have the story and don't intend to do the same to them.[/p][/quote]Oh lord now he's using the I ONLY SPEAK FOR MY CLUB cheese sandwhich.All you need now is to walk in slow motion towards a camera with a big explosion in the background for the ultimate in Chuck Norris o vision football supporter. Having been going to rovers since well before the walker era when the riverside and nuttall were made of wood, some of it must have splintered off and lodged between your ears. So don't talk to me about history and pretend to get all glassy eyed. The club existed before the walker era and when it came out it was 24 million in debt. Obviously it was being so well run that the debt doesn't matter in Gleechy's world of finance. Lets talk about how well run it was shall we. The facts that we had to sell RSC Bentley, Duff, Bellamy, etc etc etc and we were still 24 million in debt. So we are now not in as much debt but they did the same as the walker trust and sold all the saleable assets, so what has changed. Er nothing really except we got relegated. Deal with it you blubbering wet arse or just FO and stop boring everyone with your Adrain Rocky speach FFS grow some knackers some of us support the club no matter who owns it. Did anyone really care who owned it before Jack? Not really so whats your point, do you think if you blubb hard enough you will get us back to the glory days? TOOL 8 Ball Deluxe
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12:26am Tue 15 Jan 13

8 Ball Deluxe says...

blueblooded wrote:
BulgarianRover84 wrote:
I read a book in which it is stated that the long term debt of a company should be not more than the net revenue for 3 years. Even though the Venky's have worked on the debt aspect, the Revenue aspect is getting gradually more worrying. Our revenue gates are decreasing - we have average attendance of less than 46% of capacity. And when you think that in the beginning Venky's were talking about increasing the stadium capacity, it's really sad...We are going to receive the last parachute payments on TV rights and then if we don't get back to the Premier league soon, it gets very difficult.
The fans want three things: results, attractive football and their opinion being heard (as pointed out in an earlier post, receiving a reply to an e-mail is at least something).
In my opinion Venky's have to simplify the executive structure, hire an experienced manager with his own backroom staff, who would straighten up the defence, increase the pass success ratio and start getting positive results. We need more defenders in this transfer window and to get rid of surplus midfield players that don't even get used as substitutes!...
I wish Appleton success, but I am furthermore puzzled at the latest appointment. Our last three managers (Kean, Berg and Appleton) don't have a win ratio of more than 40%. For me there were good candidates available, but we missed the opportunity.
At the moment there are two available that in my opinion would at least take us to the playoff zone: Curbishley and Billy Davies. I suppose Venky's didn't opt for them, because they are known for standing firm for their own opinion.
Finally, as someone else pointed out, the only way forward is either a radical overhaul in the structure and/or change of ownership that would again lead to that radical overhaul. I am sure many fans would love to own a share of their favourite club and have voting rights.
Your last paragraph is the elephant in the room where the true agendas of so called supporters, groups and individuals lie, that few want to talk about or admit to. Whenever and wherever such suggestions are made, they are met with a tirade of offensive insults and caps lock hate bullets that end any chance of a meaningful discussion.

This hatred for Venky's that is portrayed by some and voiced with a will to fall on their sword and watch Rovers tumble into non-league status to be rid of them before they would return to Ewood, at the same time damning those who attend as traitors lining Venky's pockets is the divide between two very distinct camps.

I don't lose sleep seeing the empty seats at Ewood. I've been around long enough to know that if Venky's pulled off the unimaginable and got us back to the premiership, in large, a lot of that would resolve itself despite what many like to think and verbalise frequently.
What I do find worrying is the emotive language used to deflect any suggestion of conspiracy on the part of those who openly without hesitation or need of factual evidence, are happy to accuse Venky's of corruption.
Same here, where is the dossier of distruction now that Brag are IN BED WITH SHEBBY
[quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BulgarianRover84[/bold] wrote: I read a book in which it is stated that the long term debt of a company should be not more than the net revenue for 3 years. Even though the Venky's have worked on the debt aspect, the Revenue aspect is getting gradually more worrying. Our revenue gates are decreasing - we have average attendance of less than 46% of capacity. And when you think that in the beginning Venky's were talking about increasing the stadium capacity, it's really sad...We are going to receive the last parachute payments on TV rights and then if we don't get back to the Premier league soon, it gets very difficult. The fans want three things: results, attractive football and their opinion being heard (as pointed out in an earlier post, receiving a reply to an e-mail is at least something). In my opinion Venky's have to simplify the executive structure, hire an experienced manager with his own backroom staff, who would straighten up the defence, increase the pass success ratio and start getting positive results. We need more defenders in this transfer window and to get rid of surplus midfield players that don't even get used as substitutes!... I wish Appleton success, but I am furthermore puzzled at the latest appointment. Our last three managers (Kean, Berg and Appleton) don't have a win ratio of more than 40%. For me there were good candidates available, but we missed the opportunity. At the moment there are two available that in my opinion would at least take us to the playoff zone: Curbishley and Billy Davies. I suppose Venky's didn't opt for them, because they are known for standing firm for their own opinion. Finally, as someone else pointed out, the only way forward is either a radical overhaul in the structure and/or change of ownership that would again lead to that radical overhaul. I am sure many fans would love to own a share of their favourite club and have voting rights.[/p][/quote]Your last paragraph is the elephant in the room where the true agendas of so called supporters, groups and individuals lie, that few want to talk about or admit to. Whenever and wherever such suggestions are made, they are met with a tirade of offensive insults and caps lock hate bullets that end any chance of a meaningful discussion. This hatred for Venky's that is portrayed by some and voiced with a will to fall on their sword and watch Rovers tumble into non-league status to be rid of them before they would return to Ewood, at the same time damning those who attend as traitors lining Venky's pockets is the divide between two very distinct camps. I don't lose sleep seeing the empty seats at Ewood. I've been around long enough to know that if Venky's pulled off the unimaginable and got us back to the premiership, in large, a lot of that would resolve itself despite what many like to think and verbalise frequently. What I do find worrying is the emotive language used to deflect any suggestion of conspiracy on the part of those who openly without hesitation or need of factual evidence, are happy to accuse Venky's of corruption.[/p][/quote]Same here, where is the dossier of distruction now that Brag are IN BED WITH SHEBBY 8 Ball Deluxe
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1:58am Tue 15 Jan 13

Hairboy says...

Won't need any PR when the on-field issues have been sorted.... just bring in some decent players, get everyone pulling in the same direction. Get us back to the Premier League - that's something that can only happen on the field and not in the papers.

Once we're back and stabilised, you can be certain good PR - and attendances - will follow.

And maybe, just maybe, Venkys need to accept that a football club is rarely a profitable business. All the best ones are huge cash-pits! So if you're not planning to open the purse strings then GTFO!!!
Won't need any PR when the on-field issues have been sorted.... just bring in some decent players, get everyone pulling in the same direction. Get us back to the Premier League - that's something that can only happen on the field and not in the papers. Once we're back and stabilised, you can be certain good PR - and attendances - will follow. And maybe, just maybe, Venkys need to accept that a football club is rarely a profitable business. All the best ones are huge cash-pits! So if you're not planning to open the purse strings then GTFO!!! Hairboy
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5:55am Tue 15 Jan 13

whappen says...

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
Virtually every club in the PL and Championship is in debt (and those below, I'll bet). It's a case of managing it. £24m is not actually that much in comparison to some in the PL - and I'm not talking about the big boys. Problem is, we ain't in the PL anymore and have lost over £25m at stroke as a result; over £50m next year.

I seem to recall Kean saying Venkys had to get rid of the debt, hence them doing what they did last year. The recent accounts showed despite all the cost cutting and player sales, the club is still £20m in debt. Whaddya know? Another porky from the owners rolled out by their puppet.

We made a £5m last year due to a massive profit on player sales. So where does that leave us now all the players worth a bean have gone? Up sh!t creek, that's where. Don't try and make out Venkys actions were necessary for the survival of the club because what they have done has resulted in the distinct possibility the exact opposite may happen.

No amount of PR can put that right or help them get out of the deep hole they've dug for themselves. Managing to put a positive spin on the total disaster Venkys have overseen would be an achievement of biblical proportions.

They may be able to convince the media if they can be bothered to listen. Given the recent support for the fans' situation amidst the chaos at the club, I would like to think they could see through any spin. But no PR bu!!$hit will ever convince the fans. You can fool some of the people some of the time etc etc.
[quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]Virtually every club in the PL and Championship is in debt (and those below, I'll bet). It's a case of managing it. £24m is not actually that much in comparison to some in the PL - and I'm not talking about the big boys. Problem is, we ain't in the PL anymore and have lost over £25m at stroke as a result; over £50m next year. I seem to recall Kean saying Venkys had to get rid of the debt, hence them doing what they did last year. The recent accounts showed despite all the cost cutting and player sales, the club is still £20m in debt. Whaddya know? Another porky from the owners rolled out by their puppet. We made a £5m last year due to a massive profit on player sales. So where does that leave us now all the players worth a bean have gone? Up sh!t creek, that's where. Don't try and make out Venkys actions were necessary for the survival of the club because what they have done has resulted in the distinct possibility the exact opposite may happen. No amount of PR can put that right or help them get out of the deep hole they've dug for themselves. Managing to put a positive spin on the total disaster Venkys have overseen would be an achievement of biblical proportions. They may be able to convince the media if they can be bothered to listen. Given the recent support for the fans' situation amidst the chaos at the club, I would like to think they could see through any spin. But no PR bu!!$hit will ever convince the fans. You can fool some of the people some of the time etc etc. whappen
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8:03am Tue 15 Jan 13

gleechy says...

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl


ey
wrote:
gleechy wrote:
LittleRonnieHildersl




ey
wrote:
Gleechy your interpretation of these posts is quite bizarre - no one is suggesting that running a club unsustainably is a good idea despite a large debt being run up under the walker trust.
24 mill a large debt?
By any standards certainly more sustainable whilst you have quality working for your club.

Now there is no quality and figures are unpredictable until they are finished,but on the surface they are nose diving the club, what is so bizarre?
What's bizarre is that you think myself and 8 ball are saying that what Venkys are doing is good and secondly that you seem to think that we're the only club that this has happened to. No doubt a misinterpretation and broken record response will follow.
I only speak for my club, you can waffle on about others who you don't know the history of, but I don't appreciate others knocking Rover's fans when they don't have the story and don't intend to do the same to them.
Oh lord now he's using the I ONLY SPEAK FOR MY CLUB cheese sandwhich.All you need now is to walk in slow motion towards a camera with a big explosion in the background for the ultimate in Chuck Norris o vision football supporter.
Having been going to rovers since well before the walker era when the riverside and nuttall were made of wood, some of it must have splintered off and lodged between your ears. So don't talk to me about history and pretend to get all glassy eyed. The club existed before the walker era and when it came out it was 24 million in debt. Obviously it was being so well run that the debt doesn't matter in Gleechy's world of finance.
Lets talk about how well run it was shall we. The facts that we had to sell RSC Bentley, Duff, Bellamy, etc etc etc and we were still 24 million in debt. So we are now not in as much debt but they did the same as the walker trust and sold all the saleable assets, so what has changed. Er nothing really except we got relegated.
Deal with it you blubbering wet arse or just FO and stop boring everyone with your Adrain Rocky speach FFS grow some knackers some of us support the club no matter who owns it. Did anyone really care who owned it before Jack? Not really so whats your point, do you think if you blubb hard enough you will get us back to the glory days?
TOOL
Well you got your "misinterpretation and broken record" response from your own buddy !
Are you two part of the problem Shaw and Agnew part perhaps?
You both seem very good at miss cueing.
Your Mum never sold Bently or any of the others you waffle about, they were tactical and player's preference. When yourMum took over all top players wanted to move to get out of the circus she caused, in case you hadn't noticed, that's bad for business.

Your insults are pathetic and underrline the fact that you care nothing about my great club. Go back to Preston and help dig them out of the mire you put them in.
[quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LittleRonnieHildersl ey[/bold] wrote: Gleechy your interpretation of these posts is quite bizarre - no one is suggesting that running a club unsustainably is a good idea despite a large debt being run up under the walker trust.[/p][/quote]24 mill a large debt? By any standards certainly more sustainable whilst you have quality working for your club. Now there is no quality and figures are unpredictable until they are finished,but on the surface they are nose diving the club, what is so bizarre?[/p][/quote]What's bizarre is that you think myself and 8 ball are saying that what Venkys are doing is good and secondly that you seem to think that we're the only club that this has happened to. No doubt a misinterpretation and broken record response will follow.[/p][/quote]I only speak for my club, you can waffle on about others who you don't know the history of, but I don't appreciate others knocking Rover's fans when they don't have the story and don't intend to do the same to them.[/p][/quote]Oh lord now he's using the I ONLY SPEAK FOR MY CLUB cheese sandwhich.All you need now is to walk in slow motion towards a camera with a big explosion in the background for the ultimate in Chuck Norris o vision football supporter. Having been going to rovers since well before the walker era when the riverside and nuttall were made of wood, some of it must have splintered off and lodged between your ears. So don't talk to me about history and pretend to get all glassy eyed. The club existed before the walker era and when it came out it was 24 million in debt. Obviously it was being so well run that the debt doesn't matter in Gleechy's world of finance. Lets talk about how well run it was shall we. The facts that we had to sell RSC Bentley, Duff, Bellamy, etc etc etc and we were still 24 million in debt. So we are now not in as much debt but they did the same as the walker trust and sold all the saleable assets, so what has changed. Er nothing really except we got relegated. Deal with it you blubbering wet arse or just FO and stop boring everyone with your Adrain Rocky speach FFS grow some knackers some of us support the club no matter who owns it. Did anyone really care who owned it before Jack? Not really so whats your point, do you think if you blubb hard enough you will get us back to the glory days? TOOL[/p][/quote]Well you got your "misinterpretation and broken record" response from your own buddy ! Are you two part of the problem Shaw and Agnew part perhaps? You both seem very good at miss cueing. Your Mum never sold Bently or any of the others you waffle about, they were tactical and player's preference. When yourMum took over all top players wanted to move to get out of the circus she caused, in case you hadn't noticed, that's bad for business. Your insults are pathetic and underrline the fact that you care nothing about my great club. Go back to Preston and help dig them out of the mire you put them in. gleechy
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8:09am Tue 15 Jan 13

8 Ball Deluxe says...

whappen wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
Virtually every club in the PL and Championship is in debt (and those below, I'll bet). It's a case of managing it. £24m is not actually that much in comparison to some in the PL - and I'm not talking about the big boys. Problem is, we ain't in the PL anymore and have lost over £25m at stroke as a result; over £50m next year.

I seem to recall Kean saying Venkys had to get rid of the debt, hence them doing what they did last year. The recent accounts showed despite all the cost cutting and player sales, the club is still £20m in debt. Whaddya know? Another porky from the owners rolled out by their puppet.

We made a £5m last year due to a massive profit on player sales. So where does that leave us now all the players worth a bean have gone? Up sh!t creek, that's where. Don't try and make out Venkys actions were necessary for the survival of the club because what they have done has resulted in the distinct possibility the exact opposite may happen.

No amount of PR can put that right or help them get out of the deep hole they've dug for themselves. Managing to put a positive spin on the total disaster Venkys have overseen would be an achievement of biblical proportions.

They may be able to convince the media if they can be bothered to listen. Given the recent support for the fans' situation amidst the chaos at the club, I would like to think they could see through any spin. But no PR bu!!$hit will ever convince the fans. You can fool some of the people some of the time etc etc.
Funny, I seem to recall the financial fair play rule coming in so clubs had to sort out their accounts. Must have been mistaken. Fans are what fans are, fickle, when Man united got relegated their last home match was attended by about 22.000. You go and watch whats on the table, if you don't like it, you don't go. Hence only 5500 in the cup. All these so called loyal supporters have gone with excuse after excuse. Time to grow some and get on with it. You never know, when the protesters are informed that kean has gone they will come back adding another 10000 on the gate, or are they now saying when Venky's have gone there will be another 10000 coming back. Please, get over your delusion, the missing 10000 are just glory hunting nobodies
[quote][p][bold]whappen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]Virtually every club in the PL and Championship is in debt (and those below, I'll bet). It's a case of managing it. £24m is not actually that much in comparison to some in the PL - and I'm not talking about the big boys. Problem is, we ain't in the PL anymore and have lost over £25m at stroke as a result; over £50m next year. I seem to recall Kean saying Venkys had to get rid of the debt, hence them doing what they did last year. The recent accounts showed despite all the cost cutting and player sales, the club is still £20m in debt. Whaddya know? Another porky from the owners rolled out by their puppet. We made a £5m last year due to a massive profit on player sales. So where does that leave us now all the players worth a bean have gone? Up sh!t creek, that's where. Don't try and make out Venkys actions were necessary for the survival of the club because what they have done has resulted in the distinct possibility the exact opposite may happen. No amount of PR can put that right or help them get out of the deep hole they've dug for themselves. Managing to put a positive spin on the total disaster Venkys have overseen would be an achievement of biblical proportions. They may be able to convince the media if they can be bothered to listen. Given the recent support for the fans' situation amidst the chaos at the club, I would like to think they could see through any spin. But no PR bu!!$hit will ever convince the fans. You can fool some of the people some of the time etc etc.[/p][/quote]Funny, I seem to recall the financial fair play rule coming in so clubs had to sort out their accounts. Must have been mistaken. Fans are what fans are, fickle, when Man united got relegated their last home match was attended by about 22.000. You go and watch whats on the table, if you don't like it, you don't go. Hence only 5500 in the cup. All these so called loyal supporters have gone with excuse after excuse. Time to grow some and get on with it. You never know, when the protesters are informed that kean has gone they will come back adding another 10000 on the gate, or are they now saying when Venky's have gone there will be another 10000 coming back. Please, get over your delusion, the missing 10000 are just glory hunting nobodies 8 Ball Deluxe
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8:24am Tue 15 Jan 13

reiko082 says...

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
In your continual blind intent to disagree with "doom mongers" at all costs, you are either missing or ignoring the point.

Granted you are correct in that Blackburn were in debt, and yes that debt was slowly increasing - but in no way unusually to any other similar club in the league. And for your information, nothing has changed, those 2 facts still stand today.

But here's what has changed...

The club has replaced experienced players on high salaries with.... newer, less talented ones on higher wages like Gomes and Murphy. And is breaking transfer records AFTER we've just been relegated.

We no longer have an astute manager. Souness, Allardyce and Hughes all kept Blackburn competitive by spotting a bargain or developing one of our own and inevitably selling them once their values had increased - Santa Cruz, Bentley, Warnock, Bellamy, etc.

And in not having a quality manager, we've been relegated. We're about to miss out on the most lucrative TV deal in premier league history.

So when people talk about the club being previously run well, it was - unless you're in denial. And to somehow suggest we're making better decisions, either on or off the field, under this regime is simply outrageous.
[quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]In your continual blind intent to disagree with "doom mongers" at all costs, you are either missing or ignoring the point. Granted you are correct in that Blackburn were in debt, and yes that debt was slowly increasing - but in no way unusually to any other similar club in the league. And for your information, nothing has changed, those 2 facts still stand today. But here's what has changed... The club has replaced experienced players on high salaries with.... newer, less talented ones on higher wages like Gomes and Murphy. And is breaking transfer records AFTER we've just been relegated. We no longer have an astute manager. Souness, Allardyce and Hughes all kept Blackburn competitive by spotting a bargain or developing one of our own and inevitably selling them once their values had increased - Santa Cruz, Bentley, Warnock, Bellamy, etc. And in not having a quality manager, we've been relegated. We're about to miss out on the most lucrative TV deal in premier league history. So when people talk about the club being previously run well, it was - unless you're in denial. And to somehow suggest we're making better decisions, either on or off the field, under this regime is simply outrageous. reiko082
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8:33am Tue 15 Jan 13

Cumbrian Blue says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
Experts in crisis management?

Worked on the Muamba case - fair enough, but the stuff about Muamba - was effectively managing a good news story (once he was over the worst). Most of the early stuff surrounded Owen Coyle standing outside the hospital every day giving updates on Muamba's condition.....nobody with any sense or heart wanted anything bad to happen to Fabrice (apart from the obvious trolls and meatheads)

Rovers' case is much more complicated and is exacerbated by the fact that outside of a small part of NE Lancs - nobody really gives a toss and are, quite rightly, laughing at us, the club and particularly venkys.....the only sympathy comes from those who realise it could quite easily be them next.

all any PR company in this instance (and i write with experience of the medium) can do is, at best, paper over the cracks.- it is not crisis management at rovers, it is damage limitation.

are you seriously telling me that the adams family would listen to any advice from a london PR when making (or not making decisions)? why would the Sports PR Company have any more sway than any of the other pretenders that pollute our beloved club?

what is needed is not PR - but a radical overhaul of all the key execs who prove that lunatics can not run an asylum, coupled with a much more decisive and strategic decision making process. clearly tweedle dee and dum are replicating the chaos they engendered at PNE and layered on top of that you have the cherry on the cake (or at least the red nose) that is charlie careloli (IS HE STILL WITH US? NOBODY KNOWS) - perhaps that is the first question our expert PR can deal with

as others have already mentioned - isn't agnew meant to incorporate PR as his business (in)competencies? WTF has he been doing for the last 26 months then? if the loons in pune feel the need to recruit a PR - then surely it calls into question agnew's role and represents an opportunity to sack him (WITH NO COMPO) for breach of contract and try to let him sue us.

realistically what rovers needs right now - is a couple of experienced pragmatic people with a knowledge of how the football game works to come in to the club - do a "drains up" exercise of all things smelly, be empowered to make critical decisions, bang loads of heads together and start to get a grip in making this club a well organised and proud club once more....say someone like tom finn and john williams...just a thought.
Very well put in fact it's a story of too little too late.

The club needs leadership. Every successful business/organisatio
n does!

I cannot see a return for Williams et al ever being on the cards.

Those who hope for this do so in vain IMHO. Venkys were the reason they departed in the first instance. Williams left in a dignified manner - no doubt wrapped up in a Compromise Agreement too - but there was no smoke without fire.

We all sensed something was awry at the time and then lo and behold the triumvirate's letter to Mrs Desai was leaked by Nick Harris from Sporting Intelligence and we were given a little insight into the goings on behind the scene.

BRFC desperately needs leadership at board level and a managerial level. Could Williams et al deliver? Absolutely. Would they want to? I very much doubt whilst Venkys are involved.

More frustratingly perhaps, will Venkys move to appoint others. No. And even if they did would anyone want the job? Well, anyone worth their salt wouldn't. Venkys' reputation is too tarnished. They have let it go too far. Too little too late.
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: Experts in crisis management? Worked on the Muamba case - fair enough, but the stuff about Muamba - was effectively managing a good news story (once he was over the worst). Most of the early stuff surrounded Owen Coyle standing outside the hospital every day giving updates on Muamba's condition.....nobody with any sense or heart wanted anything bad to happen to Fabrice (apart from the obvious trolls and meatheads) Rovers' case is much more complicated and is exacerbated by the fact that outside of a small part of NE Lancs - nobody really gives a toss and are, quite rightly, laughing at us, the club and particularly venkys.....the only sympathy comes from those who realise it could quite easily be them next. all any PR company in this instance (and i write with experience of the medium) can do is, at best, paper over the cracks.- it is not crisis management at rovers, it is damage limitation. are you seriously telling me that the adams family would listen to any advice from a london PR when making (or not making decisions)? why would the Sports PR Company have any more sway than any of the other pretenders that pollute our beloved club? what is needed is not PR - but a radical overhaul of all the key execs who prove that lunatics can not run an asylum, coupled with a much more decisive and strategic decision making process. clearly tweedle dee and dum are replicating the chaos they engendered at PNE and layered on top of that you have the cherry on the cake (or at least the red nose) that is charlie careloli (IS HE STILL WITH US? NOBODY KNOWS) - perhaps that is the first question our expert PR can deal with as others have already mentioned - isn't agnew meant to incorporate PR as his business (in)competencies? WTF has he been doing for the last 26 months then? if the loons in pune feel the need to recruit a PR - then surely it calls into question agnew's role and represents an opportunity to sack him (WITH NO COMPO) for breach of contract and try to let him sue us. realistically what rovers needs right now - is a couple of experienced pragmatic people with a knowledge of how the football game works to come in to the club - do a "drains up" exercise of all things smelly, be empowered to make critical decisions, bang loads of heads together and start to get a grip in making this club a well organised and proud club once more....say someone like tom finn and john williams...just a thought.[/p][/quote]Very well put in fact it's a story of too little too late. The club needs leadership. Every successful business/organisatio n does! I cannot see a return for Williams et al ever being on the cards. Those who hope for this do so in vain IMHO. Venkys were the reason they departed in the first instance. Williams left in a dignified manner - no doubt wrapped up in a Compromise Agreement too - but there was no smoke without fire. We all sensed something was awry at the time and then lo and behold the triumvirate's letter to Mrs Desai was leaked by Nick Harris from Sporting Intelligence and we were given a little insight into the goings on behind the scene. BRFC desperately needs leadership at board level and a managerial level. Could Williams et al deliver? Absolutely. Would they want to? I very much doubt whilst Venkys are involved. More frustratingly perhaps, will Venkys move to appoint others. No. And even if they did would anyone want the job? Well, anyone worth their salt wouldn't. Venkys' reputation is too tarnished. They have let it go too far. Too little too late. Cumbrian Blue
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10:36am Tue 15 Jan 13

George.White.Bread says...

chrssgreen wrote:
George.White.Bread wrote:
RoversMCMLXXV wrote:
George.White.Bread wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
George.White.Bread wrote: Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !
Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot
Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right.
You should know about polishing turds Georgina - you daft tw4ts have been attempting to polish turds and invisible trophies for decades. At least there's the 'We dominated possession against Rovers' trophy you presented yourselves with just a bunch of shiny faced tobacco chewing dreamers.....
Oi Listen, artist formerly known as Rovers75, kiss my hairy bean bag, the only reason why you're having a nibble and getting so worked up is because you know I'm right. I'm afraid that you're just another soup stained Rovers dreamer who insists on living in the past. Instead of getting your lemon and brown stained ripped Y fronts in a twist why not build yourself a flux capacitor, fit it to a Delorian and crank it up to 88 mph, that's the only way your ever gonna see the glory days again down at the Ewood and Bucket comedy club (soon to be the biggest Lidl in East Lancs). I'm sure you and the thousands of other loyal "supporters" will be down at AFC Darwen, where you'll be ground sharing in a couple of years time, to watch the newly formed AFC Blackburn Rovers playing Barnoldswick Town in the Dr Martin cheese and onion crisp league 1 reserves.
Excuse me Sir.. Please do not associate the splendid "Barlick Town" with the future Shadsworth Rovers Dons.. As we have a reputation to keep..
Sir, I apologise unreservedly, Barlick is indeed a fine place that should not be associated with the black sinkhole of Calcutta.
[quote][p][bold]chrssgreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RoversMCMLXXV[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd ![/p][/quote]Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right.[/p][/quote]You should know about polishing turds Georgina - you daft tw4ts have been attempting to polish turds and invisible trophies for decades. At least there's the 'We dominated possession against Rovers' trophy you presented yourselves with just a bunch of shiny faced tobacco chewing dreamers.....[/p][/quote]Oi Listen, artist formerly known as Rovers75, kiss my hairy bean bag, the only reason why you're having a nibble and getting so worked up is because you know I'm right. I'm afraid that you're just another soup stained Rovers dreamer who insists on living in the past. Instead of getting your lemon and brown stained ripped Y fronts in a twist why not build yourself a flux capacitor, fit it to a Delorian and crank it up to 88 mph, that's the only way your ever gonna see the glory days again down at the Ewood and Bucket comedy club (soon to be the biggest Lidl in East Lancs). I'm sure you and the thousands of other loyal "supporters" will be down at AFC Darwen, where you'll be ground sharing in a couple of years time, to watch the newly formed AFC Blackburn Rovers playing Barnoldswick Town in the Dr Martin cheese and onion crisp league 1 reserves.[/p][/quote]Excuse me Sir.. Please do not associate the splendid "Barlick Town" with the future Shadsworth Rovers Dons.. As we have a reputation to keep..[/p][/quote]Sir, I apologise unreservedly, Barlick is indeed a fine place that should not be associated with the black sinkhole of Calcutta. George.White.Bread
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11:03am Tue 15 Jan 13

blueblooded says...

George.White.Bread wrote:
chrssgreen wrote:
George.White.Bread wrote:
RoversMCMLXXV wrote:
George.White.Bread wrote:
8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
George.White.Bread wrote: Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd !
Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot
Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right.
You should know about polishing turds Georgina - you daft tw4ts have been attempting to polish turds and invisible trophies for decades. At least there's the 'We dominated possession against Rovers' trophy you presented yourselves with just a bunch of shiny faced tobacco chewing dreamers.....
Oi Listen, artist formerly known as Rovers75, kiss my hairy bean bag, the only reason why you're having a nibble and getting so worked up is because you know I'm right. I'm afraid that you're just another soup stained Rovers dreamer who insists on living in the past. Instead of getting your lemon and brown stained ripped Y fronts in a twist why not build yourself a flux capacitor, fit it to a Delorian and crank it up to 88 mph, that's the only way your ever gonna see the glory days again down at the Ewood and Bucket comedy club (soon to be the biggest Lidl in East Lancs). I'm sure you and the thousands of other loyal "supporters" will be down at AFC Darwen, where you'll be ground sharing in a couple of years time, to watch the newly formed AFC Blackburn Rovers playing Barnoldswick Town in the Dr Martin cheese and onion crisp league 1 reserves.
Excuse me Sir.. Please do not associate the splendid "Barlick Town" with the future Shadsworth Rovers Dons.. As we have a reputation to keep..
Sir, I apologise unreservedly, Barlick is indeed a fine place that should not be associated with the black sinkhole of Calcutta.
Nelson?
[quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chrssgreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RoversMCMLXXV[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George.White.Bread[/bold] wrote: Hasn't anybody told the Venkys that you just can't polish a turd ![/p][/quote]Dick van Dyke seems to be getting a sheen on your place, oh sorry forgot, you haven't bought the turd yet so you are in fact getting a sheen on someone elses turd. Typical Dingle maggot[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha, moan all you like 8 B0llocks you know I'm right.[/p][/quote]You should know about polishing turds Georgina - you daft tw4ts have been attempting to polish turds and invisible trophies for decades. At least there's the 'We dominated possession against Rovers' trophy you presented yourselves with just a bunch of shiny faced tobacco chewing dreamers.....[/p][/quote]Oi Listen, artist formerly known as Rovers75, kiss my hairy bean bag, the only reason why you're having a nibble and getting so worked up is because you know I'm right. I'm afraid that you're just another soup stained Rovers dreamer who insists on living in the past. Instead of getting your lemon and brown stained ripped Y fronts in a twist why not build yourself a flux capacitor, fit it to a Delorian and crank it up to 88 mph, that's the only way your ever gonna see the glory days again down at the Ewood and Bucket comedy club (soon to be the biggest Lidl in East Lancs). I'm sure you and the thousands of other loyal "supporters" will be down at AFC Darwen, where you'll be ground sharing in a couple of years time, to watch the newly formed AFC Blackburn Rovers playing Barnoldswick Town in the Dr Martin cheese and onion crisp league 1 reserves.[/p][/quote]Excuse me Sir.. Please do not associate the splendid "Barlick Town" with the future Shadsworth Rovers Dons.. As we have a reputation to keep..[/p][/quote]Sir, I apologise unreservedly, Barlick is indeed a fine place that should not be associated with the black sinkhole of Calcutta.[/p][/quote]Nelson? blueblooded
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6:41pm Tue 15 Jan 13

roverstillidie83 says...

8 Ball Deluxe wrote:
Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality.
Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year.
So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense?
The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players.
But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print.
I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are.
Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't.
And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.
Finally someone who tells it like it is,I'm fed up of listening to all the rubbish people say on here about a club they say they "support" this is what happen's when you get sugar daddy's running football club's which is what jack walker was you get idiots who jump on the bandwagon and lose all sense of reality that is the best post I've seen on here for age's.
[quote][p][bold]8 Ball Deluxe[/bold] wrote: Probably get slated here but some of these doomongers and naysayers need to get a grip on reality. Get John Williams back??? He works at Man city, the richest football club in the world and also, when he was in charge weren't we in debt by 24 million? Thats a well run business aint it, 24 million in debt and growing year on year. So they decide to sell off some assets to pay off the debt. Isn't that just good business sense? The loons on here need to realise that everyone in football wants a sugar daddy, an abramovic to write off mounds and mounds of debt every year so they can keep buying the worlds best players. But we can't do that, we have gone back to the pre walker days except we have a better ground and training facilities. Now we have to deal with running the club within its own finacial foot print. I have no doubt the torch bearing lynch mob don't want to hear the truth and will continue to think we are bigger than we are. Can you honestly think of three smaller and worse clubs/teams than us in the premier league, I can't. And it looks like Villa will be following our lead because they are going the same way, they too are no longer a BIG CLUB.[/p][/quote]Finally someone who tells it like it is,I'm fed up of listening to all the rubbish people say on here about a club they say they "support" this is what happen's when you get sugar daddy's running football club's which is what jack walker was you get idiots who jump on the bandwagon and lose all sense of reality that is the best post I've seen on here for age's. roverstillidie83
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12:25am Wed 16 Jan 13

noddy57 says...

just a reminder for all the folks who are still unnaware of the current climate surrounding uk clubs,,first of all, only the self sustaining clubs can survive ,,the lesser clubs will fold without a benefactor propping them up.tv has killed the game and there is no way back for the small town clubs, and those like brfc are im afraid destined for the scrapheap brought about prematurely by the antics of its current owners,,apart from shieks and oil billionaires who can bankroll the clubs for the foreseable future but even that has a shelf life, we better start realising that all sport perticularly football is living on borrowed time,
just a reminder for all the folks who are still unnaware of the current climate surrounding uk clubs,,first of all, only the self sustaining clubs can survive ,,the lesser clubs will fold without a benefactor propping them up.tv has killed the game and there is no way back for the small town clubs, and those like brfc are im afraid destined for the scrapheap brought about prematurely by the antics of its current owners,,apart from shieks and oil billionaires who can bankroll the clubs for the foreseable future but even that has a shelf life, we better start realising that all sport perticularly football is living on borrowed time, noddy57
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2:45am Wed 16 Jan 13

Hairboy says...

noddy57 wrote:
just a reminder for all the folks who are still unnaware of the current climate surrounding uk clubs,,first of all, only the self sustaining clubs can survive ,,the lesser clubs will fold without a benefactor propping them up.tv has killed the game and there is no way back for the small town clubs, and those like brfc are im afraid destined for the scrapheap brought about prematurely by the antics of its current owners,,apart from shieks and oil billionaires who can bankroll the clubs for the foreseable future but even that has a shelf life, we better start realising that all sport perticularly football is living on borrowed time,
I'd disagree with the use of the words "all sport" in your final sentence. The biggest problem with football is that the players are *massively* overpaid!

Sure... when a player is exceptionally talented and brings 10,000 fans to the stadium just to watch him perform (ie Shearer in 93-94-95), then they're worth big bucks. Maybe even a salary twice the average in the team.

But overall, players shouldn't be earning 20-50k a week for being a first teamer....it's a recipe doomed to fail unless income from merchandise can match that sort of squad cost.

Aussie Rules Football has a great business model that not only evens out the competition (to a reasonable extent) but also means that almost all clubs run at a profit. There's a salary cap on each club of about $9m per year player payments.... and any third party sponsorships for individual players go through an independent governing body for approval. The end result is that teams tend to be far more even across the competition...and it's quite possible for a team finishing lower on the table one season to burst into contention the next. Very good model
[quote][p][bold]noddy57[/bold] wrote: just a reminder for all the folks who are still unnaware of the current climate surrounding uk clubs,,first of all, only the self sustaining clubs can survive ,,the lesser clubs will fold without a benefactor propping them up.tv has killed the game and there is no way back for the small town clubs, and those like brfc are im afraid destined for the scrapheap brought about prematurely by the antics of its current owners,,apart from shieks and oil billionaires who can bankroll the clubs for the foreseable future but even that has a shelf life, we better start realising that all sport perticularly football is living on borrowed time,[/p][/quote]I'd disagree with the use of the words "all sport" in your final sentence. The biggest problem with football is that the players are *massively* overpaid! Sure... when a player is exceptionally talented and brings 10,000 fans to the stadium just to watch him perform (ie Shearer in 93-94-95), then they're worth big bucks. Maybe even a salary twice the average in the team. But overall, players shouldn't be earning 20-50k a week for being a first teamer....it's a recipe doomed to fail unless income from merchandise can match that sort of squad cost. Aussie Rules Football has a great business model that not only evens out the competition (to a reasonable extent) but also means that almost all clubs run at a profit. There's a salary cap on each club of about $9m per year player payments.... and any third party sponsorships for individual players go through an independent governing body for approval. The end result is that teams tend to be far more even across the competition...and it's quite possible for a team finishing lower on the table one season to burst into contention the next. Very good model Hairboy
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12:41pm Wed 16 Jan 13

roverinmanchstr says...

A Darener wrote:
All the publicity in the world will not undo the damage the Venky's have done to the reputation of Blackburn Rovers. The only answer to the problem is for the Venky's to GET OUT!
Couldn't have put it better except that this isn't going to cost money in the Transfer Market,...What a disgrace they are....I've seen so much poo written here by people stating 'Get behind the Team and embrace the Venky's'...What utter Cr*p..now over 2 years of Broken Promises, excuse after excuse,.relegation and now this amazing 'side step'..Yes, no new signings..just another Poo spurting department
Those Venky lovers should WAKE UP.......
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[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: All the publicity in the world will not undo the damage the Venky's have done to the reputation of Blackburn Rovers. The only answer to the problem is for the Venky's to GET OUT![/p][/quote]Couldn't have put it better except that this isn't going to cost money in the Transfer Market,...What a disgrace they are....I've seen so much poo written here by people stating 'Get behind the Team and embrace the Venky's'...What utter Cr*p..now over 2 years of Broken Promises, excuse after excuse,.relegation and now this amazing 'side step'..Yes, no new signings..just another Poo spurting department Those Venky lovers should WAKE UP....... . roverinmanchstr
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6:00am Sun 20 Jan 13

hunter3062 says...

nice to see the clarets above the chicken lickers...BRING ON THE DERBY.
nice to see the clarets above the chicken lickers...BRING ON THE DERBY. hunter3062
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