Clayton-le-Moors mum worried about PIP breast implants (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Miss Ashton, I have every sympathy with your plight, but why can't you pay for the implants to be removed yourself, you could afford nearly 5 grand to have them in the first place.
Personally I believe that only mastectomy patients NEED implants.

Don't agree ossy, need and desire are two different things. Women do not NEED breasts in this modern world but they desire them to enhance their own AND other peoples perception of them. If however that procedure causes harm to them they should be treated under the NHS to remove the harm. Much the same way as an infected piercing or tattoo.
Where I do agree is that the implants should be replaced at the expense of the patient or the person originally carrying out the procedure.

Ossy you need to think about what you are saying, do you really believe that if a person who has saved up long and hard to buy themselves some breasts should be treated any different than any other consumer. They have been supplied with counterfeit goods which are potentially toxic and life threatening. The monster who manufactured them has committed fraud on a large scale without a care of the consequences. whether the woman has had her breast enhanced due to vanity or low self esteem does not matter, none of them deserve to have had substandard and dangerous implants, this is not what they paid for !! They should not have to pay for them to be replaced themselves the responsible clinics should be footing the bill and the government should be stepping in to make sure they do.
if you spent 5 grand on a car that was fitted with a counterfeit engine would you like to pay for a replacement engine and the fitting of it, no you would not ! you would take it back and expect a full refund not pay another 5 grand for a replacement.

ossy wrote:
Miss Ashton, I have every sympathy with your plight, but why can't you pay for the implants to be removed yourself, you could afford nearly 5 grand to have them in the first place.
Personally I believe that only mastectomy patients NEED implants.

I agree with you that only mastectomy patients need implants. No-one forced these women to have them, they had them for vanity and not urgent medical reasons.

retired one, have you gone through you life having only what you need ?? I doubt it what kind of a life would that be ?? we all purchase things we just want or desire. and that still does not alter the fact that someone has committed serious fraud on a grand scale and caused harm to thousands of women. just because a woman has had her breast enlarged for vanity does not mean she should be subjected to having to live with these toxic implants nor do they deserve it like people are implying.
Do you also feel the same about those women who have suffered horrific burns following allergic reactions to hair dye, should the NHS have turned them away ? after all do they really NEED to dye their hair. We live in a very visual age and rightly or wrongly people are judged on their appearance and first impression so it is not surprising women are subjecting themselves to enhancing treatments. for goodness sake turn the blame onto the manufacturer and clinics not the women.

isn't it time that insurance has to be taken out when people go in for this sort of thing, to cover eventualities like this?
the companies that carry out this work, making massive profits in the process, should cover these costs not the general public.

bbgal wrote:
Ossy you need to think about what you are saying, do you really believe that if a person who has saved up long and hard to buy themselves some breasts should be treated any different than any other consumer. They have been supplied with counterfeit goods which are potentially toxic and life threatening. The monster who manufactured them has committed fraud on a large scale without a care of the consequences. whether the woman has had her breast enhanced due to vanity or low self esteem does not matter, none of them deserve to have had substandard and dangerous implants, this is not what they paid for !! They should not have to pay for them to be replaced themselves the responsible clinics should be footing the bill and the government should be stepping in to make sure they do.
if you spent 5 grand on a car that was fitted with a counterfeit engine would you like to pay for a replacement engine and the fitting of it, no you would not ! you would take it back and expect a full refund not pay another 5 grand for a replacement.

I fully agree, I would expect a replacement from the person that sold me the faulty goods, but the private clinics are saying they cannot afford nor have the facilities to replace them all. Let the NHS do it and charge them.

bbgal wrote:
Ossy you need to think about what you are saying, do you really believe that if a person who has saved up long and hard to buy themselves some breasts should be treated any different than any other consumer. They have been supplied with counterfeit goods which are potentially toxic and life threatening. The monster who manufactured them has committed fraud on a large scale without a care of the consequences. whether the woman has had her breast enhanced due to vanity or low self esteem does not matter, none of them deserve to have had substandard and dangerous implants, this is not what they paid for !! They should not have to pay for them to be replaced themselves the responsible clinics should be footing the bill and the government should be stepping in to make sure they do.
if you spent 5 grand on a car that was fitted with a counterfeit engine would you like to pay for a replacement engine and the fitting of it, no you would not ! you would take it back and expect a full refund not pay another 5 grand for a replacement.

I fully agree, I would expect a replacement from the person that sold me the faulty goods, but the private clinics are saying they cannot afford nor have the facilities to replace them all. Let the NHS do it and charge them.

frank wrote:
isn't it time that insurance has to be taken out when people go in for this sort of thing, to cover eventualities like this?
the companies that carry out this work, making massive profits in the process, should cover these costs not the general public.

fully agree frank

I know of two women with these implants. One is lucky that she went with a company with morals, hers are being removed and replaced for free. I think the company is MYA cosmetic surgery.

All the cosmetic clinic should do the same. Did they not wonder why these implants cost just a fifth of what they'd normally pay?

As for my other friend, well she's been told they're fine and they believe there's no added risk with these implants. If she wants them removed it will cost £1500 and if she wants different implants inserting that will be another £3750+. What a joke!!

Let's not forget men also have pip implants, pec and testicular. This does not just affect women.

Say it Right wrote:
I know of two women with these implants. One is lucky that she went with a company with morals, hers are being removed and replaced for free. I think the company is MYA cosmetic surgery.

All the cosmetic clinic should do the same. Did they not wonder why these implants cost just a fifth of what they'd normally pay?

As for my other friend, well she's been told they're fine and they believe there's no added risk with these implants. If she wants them removed it will cost £1500 and if she wants different implants inserting that will be another £3750+. What a joke!!

Let's not forget men also have pip implants, pec and testicular. This does not just affect women.

This as affected 40,000 women in the UK if you times that by six grand each its only a mere quarter of a million and thats including ten grand for Sat It Rights dodgey PIP balls.
Not even a years salary for a decent Harley St surgeon.But the NHS concluded that there was not enough evidence to recommend their routine removal.
A spokesman for East Lancashire Hospitals NHS Trust said: “We recognise that this will be a worrying time for women with PIP implants and that they need to be properly supported by those that performed the implant surgery.
For those who had surgery for nothing more than vanity i am in favour of them making their own arrangements to have them removed.

What has happened to the clinics need to have Personal Liability insurance like any other company.
Surely these difficulties should be covered by it.
I do think the NHS should remove implants fitted privately where a risk to health has been identified but should not have to bear the cost of new replacements.

Tricky one this...regardless of the reasons why women have breast implants...I do thing the clinics that supplied them, sould stand the cost of removal &/or replacement.

At the end of the day, if you'd paid 5k for a car that didn't drive properly, you'd expect a refund, or if you found out that the car was fitted with illegal parts etc...you would expect them changed. Basically, if you pay for something....it needs to be fit for purpose & that goes for these implants too

It's just another chemical put into our bodies by choice. Alongside nicotine , alcohol , drugs ( legal and illegal) and bigmacs which are put in willingly , we poison our bodies all day every day .

surley you can have them removed private, then sue the company that put them there?

Why has there been no mention of European Law on this issue? The company was French and would come under various laws regarding goods manufactured and supplied being of a standard in accordance with their use as we have in the UK. May be the UK clinics should cover the costs and seek recompense via the French courts citing European Law. PIP must have carried Products Liability insurance in France as part of their licence to manufacture such products. Surely the private clinics checked this before using PIP products and therefore have the insurer details in order to make a claim? If they didn't then a claim under their own professional indemnity insurance is in order. A written complaint to the private clinics by their patients may reveal this information especially if they are threatened with legal action for costs AND compensation.

living the end times in BB1 wrote:

Say it Right wrote:
I know of two women with these implants. One is lucky that she went with a company with morals, hers are being removed and replaced for free. I think the company is MYA cosmetic surgery.

All the cosmetic clinic should do the same. Did they not wonder why these implants cost just a fifth of what they'd normally pay?

As for my other friend, well she's been told they're fine and they believe there's no added risk with these implants. If she wants them removed it will cost £1500 and if she wants different implants inserting that will be another £3750+. What a joke!!

Let's not forget men also have pip implants, pec and testicular. This does not just affect women.

This as affected 40,000 women in the UK if you times that by six grand each its only a mere quarter of a million and thats including ten grand for Sat It Rights dodgey PIP balls.
Not even a years salary for a decent Harley St surgeon.But the NHS concluded that there was not enough evidence to recommend their routine removal.
A spokesman for East Lancashire Hospitals NHS Trust said: “We recognise that this will be a worrying time for women with PIP implants and that they need to be properly supported by those that performed the implant surgery.
For those who had surgery for nothing more than vanity i am in favour of them making their own arrangements to have them removed.

Think you need a maths lesson, 40,000 times 6,000 is quarter of a billion, not quarter of a million !

I f the implants were done privately for their vanity. Why on earth should we the tax payers pay to have them removed . What is wrong with a natural body?

Exactly.

maxcollie wrote:
I f the implants were done privately for their vanity. Why on earth should we the tax payers pay to have them removed . What is wrong with a natural body?

maxcollie and retired one, you have no idea what some women must feel like when their self esteem is so low because they hate the way they look. stop being so judgemental. Having breast implants can transform a womans life. and stop playing the vanity card it makes no difference and does not alter the facts that they have got what they paid for and should not have to pay again. The government has not supported these women their statement regarding the safety of these implants was a cop out. If the NHS are going to remove them from all the women who have had then done on the NHS then they must believe there is a risk to health. The government needs to enforce that the clinics take responsibility.

they should all be removed by the nhs as soon as possible, who can begrudge that as its a health risk,

bbgal wrote:

maxcollie wrote: I f the implants were done privately for their vanity. Why on earth should we the tax payers pay to have them removed . What is wrong with a natural body?

maxcollie and retired one, you have no idea what some women must feel like when their self esteem is so low because they hate the way they look. stop being so judgemental. Having breast implants can transform a womans life. and stop playing the vanity card it makes no difference and does not alter the facts that they have got what they paid for and should not have to pay again. The government has not supported these women their statement regarding the safety of these implants was a cop out. If the NHS are going to remove them from all the women who have had then done on the NHS then they must believe there is a risk to health. The government needs to enforce that the clinics take responsibility.

Quarter of a million pounds it will cost to remove all the pip inplants.

so money is more important than these girls health?

vanity it is, but the only way vanity will be balanced is for it to go extreme and effect many so they wise up and realise its not all about looks its about people.

Everyone suffers the barrage of sex, vanity, fashion and grading the human accordingly, the test is therefore, do you fall for it?

without a strong self identity you follow the most in your face stimuli, when you have a respect for who you are then there are lines you don't cross, regardless of the pressure. We exist the best we can always trying to improve because that is a good example to set, deregulation of the TV and the introduction of XXX mainsteam destroyed the morality lines, this is the result.

Girls the doctors are not interested in your wellbeing, they want cash, status, or they would advise you at all times never to change what you where born with without the effort required.

the boys are going to suffer i the coming years for the same reason, they want big muscles without the effort and take steroids, best advice to you chaps is to have your children before you reach 30 or forget it....

living the end times in BB1 wrote:

bbgal wrote:

maxcollie wrote: I f the implants were done privately for their vanity. Why on earth should we the tax payers pay to have them removed . What is wrong with a natural body?

maxcollie and retired one, you have no idea what some women must feel like when their self esteem is so low because they hate the way they look. stop being so judgemental. Having breast implants can transform a womans life. and stop playing the vanity card it makes no difference and does not alter the facts that they have got what they paid for and should not have to pay again. The government has not supported these women their statement regarding the safety of these implants was a cop out. If the NHS are going to remove them from all the women who have had then done on the NHS then they must believe there is a risk to health. The government needs to enforce that the clinics take responsibility.

Quarter of a million pounds it will cost to remove all the pip inplants.

£6000 x 40,000 ppl = £240,000,000 - that is 240 million pounds not a quarter of a million!

It,s not their breasts that need attention its their brains - any woman daft enoughto undergo surgery just to have bigger t$ts need their heads examaning or phsyciatric help !!
If they paid for them putting in then they should pay for them taking out !!
End of story..

peely wrote:
It,s not their breasts that need attention its their brains - any woman daft enoughto undergo surgery just to have bigger t$ts need their heads examaning or phsyciatric help !!
If they paid for them putting in then they should pay for them taking out !!
End of story..

Spot on.
I was a victim of a scam to pay for a pair of inplants and it turns out that they are a pair of industrial pip t1ts.As she was having her t1ts done i was having a tatoo done on my back shoulder and chest and just to finish with i had the yin yang sign tatooed on the back of my hand.
I am not expecting her t1ts to blow up but this goes a long way to proving my beliefs in yin yang.

This might be a silly question, but is there not a simpler procedure where the liquid is removed and replaced ?

jimmypetter1 wrote:
they should all be removed by the nhs as soon as possible, who can begrudge that as its a health risk,

Talking of useless t*ts.

bbgal wrote:

maxcollie wrote: I f the implants were done privately for their vanity. Why on earth should we the tax payers pay to have them removed . What is wrong with a natural body?

maxcollie and retired one, you have no idea what some women must feel like when their self esteem is so low because they hate the way they look. stop being so judgemental. Having breast implants can transform a womans life. and stop playing the vanity card it makes no difference and does not alter the facts that they have got what they paid for and should not have to pay again. The government has not supported these women their statement regarding the safety of these implants was a cop out. If the NHS are going to remove them from all the women who have had then done on the NHS then they must believe there is a risk to health. The government needs to enforce that the clinics take responsibility.

I think you will find that bbgal, maxcollie and myself are not being judgemental. The females that have chosen to mess with nature are the ones who are judgemental - they think that we all judge by their standards which are low and shallow - no self esteem? Do something good for someone else and stop being selfish. That is what builds self esteem not being an Essex lookalike.

WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU WANT FALSE BOOBS MY X GF WANTED HERS DONE I GOT SHUT OF THE BINT NOW SHE HAS HAD THEM DONE SHE WANTS US TO PAY FOR THEN YE OK COURSE WE WILL GET A LIFE SHE IS PROBABLY ONE OF THESE BARBY DOLLS WAT A COMPLETE BOOB HEAD HAHAHHAH

i like breasts.............
.........real ones. any size, shape, must be real.