Extra buses for Rossendale routes

Mr Brian Juffs MD is pictured with Mr Robert Hilton MD of Bus and Coach World Ltd, receiving the first of the nine vehicles.

Mr Brian Juffs MD is pictured with Mr Robert Hilton MD of Bus and Coach World Ltd, receiving the first of the nine vehicles.

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NINE buses have been brought into circulation in the Valley by Rossendale Transport Ltd.

Brian Juffs, MD of the firm, said he has ordered the single-deck vehicles to update the fleet and improve the service for passengers.

Mr Juffs said: “Quality passengers require quality vehicles.

“All nine are painted in Glasurit two-pack paint system, and carry a five year gloss retention warranty backed by Glasurit, a brand of BASF, the world-leading chemical company.

“The Rosso-branded livery will eventually be used throughout the entire fleet.

"These are local buses, painted by local people.”

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4:26pm Sun 16 Feb 14

onsidecobra says...

This is not just any old bus, this is a Rossendale Transport Ltd. bus.
This is not just any old bus, this is a Rossendale Transport Ltd. bus. onsidecobra
  • Score: 3

9:26pm Sun 16 Feb 14

gazzandste says...

Where is the money coming from to subsidise them?
Where is the money coming from to subsidise them? gazzandste
  • Score: 2

12:56am Mon 17 Feb 14

soup123 says...

So glad that I now know about the Glasurit two-pack paint system.
So glad that I now know about the Glasurit two-pack paint system. soup123
  • Score: 2

6:12am Mon 17 Feb 14

Loving lances says...

These are quality passengers standing in the rain on a cold Monday morning and waiting for a bus!!!!!
These are quality passengers standing in the rain on a cold Monday morning and waiting for a bus!!!!! Loving lances
  • Score: 4

6:14am Mon 17 Feb 14

Loving lances says...

onsidecobra wrote:
This is not just any old bus, this is a Rossendale Transport Ltd. bus.
This is not just any old baloney, this is Rosso Bus baloney!
[quote][p][bold]onsidecobra[/bold] wrote: This is not just any old bus, this is a Rossendale Transport Ltd. bus.[/p][/quote]This is not just any old baloney, this is Rosso Bus baloney! Loving lances
  • Score: 2

9:08am Mon 17 Feb 14

Copperhead says...

What about information regarding the routes and times of these incredibly well-painted vehicles ?
Or did Glazurit offer discounted paint providing the MD gave them some publicity at every opportunity ?
What about information regarding the routes and times of these incredibly well-painted vehicles ? Or did Glazurit offer discounted paint providing the MD gave them some publicity at every opportunity ? Copperhead
  • Score: 4

12:37pm Mon 17 Feb 14

HelmshoreMan2010 says...

I still think the buses provide a great service at an affordable price, for £20 a week it got me 60 miles to work and back + still had my pass to go shopping at the weekend. At my age and location I couldn't afford to drive for even 1/3 of that.

I also think the coverage is quite big, for one £4.70 pass you could visit Bury, Blackburn, Burnley, Rochdale, Accrington & Todmorden in the same day, which is much bigger than most local passes cover.

All they need to do with the 464 is put on less frequent buses during the day and more late buses for the college people and the workers.

Last time I mentioned I liked the bus I got about 30 thumbs down votes so I don't expect this comment to go down well :)
I still think the buses provide a great service at an affordable price, for £20 a week it got me 60 miles to work and back + still had my pass to go shopping at the weekend. At my age and location I couldn't afford to drive for even 1/3 of that. I also think the coverage is quite big, for one £4.70 pass you could visit Bury, Blackburn, Burnley, Rochdale, Accrington & Todmorden in the same day, which is much bigger than most local passes cover. All they need to do with the 464 is put on less frequent buses during the day and more late buses for the college people and the workers. Last time I mentioned I liked the bus I got about 30 thumbs down votes so I don't expect this comment to go down well :) HelmshoreMan2010
  • Score: 7

8:07pm Mon 17 Feb 14

mysay.com says...

local busses, owned by the local council, and paid for by the local council tax payer, maybe they should concentrate on local service, they do late night local services in Manchester, Blackburn and other areas.

totally agree, less frequent in the daytime, more often late at night, a reliable service,

the main complaints about them is lack of reliability, lack of good customer service, attitude of drivers, "no change" not about the colour of the bus, or they newness.....just how reliable the service is.

I only wish that we could use council tax money to buy new vehicles...but alas, we pay in...with little or no return!!!
local busses, owned by the local council, and paid for by the local council tax payer, maybe they should concentrate on local service, they do late night local services in Manchester, Blackburn and other areas. totally agree, less frequent in the daytime, more often late at night, a reliable service, the main complaints about them is lack of reliability, lack of good customer service, attitude of drivers, "no change" not about the colour of the bus, or they newness.....just how reliable the service is. I only wish that we could use council tax money to buy new vehicles...but alas, we pay in...with little or no return!!! mysay.com
  • Score: 1

9:44pm Mon 17 Feb 14

HelmshoreMan2010 says...

Don't get me started on "No change" on the bus! Back when the weekly rover ticket was £19 the bus drivers ALWAYS run out of £1 coins on a Monday morning and it was as though they couldn't work out why! I was actually glad when they finally put the ticket up to £20!

Still it serves a purpose and works for me, leaving the money I have saved by not driving to enjoy myself a little bit.
Don't get me started on "No change" on the bus! Back when the weekly rover ticket was £19 the bus drivers ALWAYS run out of £1 coins on a Monday morning and it was as though they couldn't work out why! I was actually glad when they finally put the ticket up to £20! Still it serves a purpose and works for me, leaving the money I have saved by not driving to enjoy myself a little bit. HelmshoreMan2010
  • Score: 2

7:15am Tue 18 Feb 14

mysay.com says...

I am not disputing the fact that it works for those who use them, (reliability questionable and complained about all the time though) my gripe is that those who do not use them are paying for the service anyway through council tax.
I am not disputing the fact that it works for those who use them, (reliability questionable and complained about all the time though) my gripe is that those who do not use them are paying for the service anyway through council tax. mysay.com
  • Score: 2

12:15pm Tue 18 Feb 14

GAC says...

mysay.com wrote:
I am not disputing the fact that it works for those who use them, (reliability questionable and complained about all the time though) my gripe is that those who do not use them are paying for the service anyway through council tax.
im not sure the buses get any council tax money as it is a private business.

they do get subsidies by lancashire county council, as do many other private bus companies for running unprofitable routes. so you could argue thats where they get council tax money, but as for rossendale council supporting them, its the other way around as rosso makes a profit and has done for many a year, which makes rbc idea of selling it off all the time more idiotic.
[quote][p][bold]mysay.com[/bold] wrote: I am not disputing the fact that it works for those who use them, (reliability questionable and complained about all the time though) my gripe is that those who do not use them are paying for the service anyway through council tax.[/p][/quote]im not sure the buses get any council tax money as it is a private business. they do get subsidies by lancashire county council, as do many other private bus companies for running unprofitable routes. so you could argue thats where they get council tax money, but as for rossendale council supporting them, its the other way around as rosso makes a profit and has done for many a year, which makes rbc idea of selling it off all the time more idiotic. GAC
  • Score: 1

12:34pm Tue 18 Feb 14

HelmshoreMan2010 says...

I just see council tax as one big pot for them to dish out as they see fit anyway. I have paid council tax since 18 (25 now) and don't have children but paid for schools for 7 years :)
I just see council tax as one big pot for them to dish out as they see fit anyway. I have paid council tax since 18 (25 now) and don't have children but paid for schools for 7 years :) HelmshoreMan2010
  • Score: -1

3:12pm Tue 18 Feb 14

mysay.com says...

Good point Helmshoreman, but it is still a point, nor do they have age restrictions put on them, but they are more than happy to put age restrictions on taxis which undergo the same rigorous testing and is controlled by the owners of the bus company,

GAC Rossendale council don't just support them, they own the company, and many employee of rosso will tell you that they have been running at a massive loss for years, which is why they keep threatening to withdraw services, in order to get even more tax payers money this information can easily be sourced from previous reports from this very paper.
Good point Helmshoreman, but it is still a point, nor do they have age restrictions put on them, but they are more than happy to put age restrictions on taxis which undergo the same rigorous testing and is controlled by the owners of the bus company, GAC Rossendale council don't just support them, they own the company, and many employee of rosso will tell you that they have been running at a massive loss for years, which is why they keep threatening to withdraw services, in order to get even more tax payers money this information can easily be sourced from previous reports from this very paper. mysay.com
  • Score: 2

3:32pm Tue 18 Feb 14

HelmshoreMan2010 says...

I'm not sure if it's run at a loss or not but lets for argument sake say they sell it to somebody like Stagecoach. With the way the valley is shaped and spread out there is bound to be some routes that get binned instantly cutting off a lot of the community who count on it (mainly young and old).

That in my eyes means it's fine to run it at a loss. A hospital, school, library, street cleaning team etc runs at a loss but it provides a service that improves the place. It would be like trying to get the NHS to make money by throwing out old women and doing breast implants all day....and if that happens give me a dress and call me matron!
I'm not sure if it's run at a loss or not but lets for argument sake say they sell it to somebody like Stagecoach. With the way the valley is shaped and spread out there is bound to be some routes that get binned instantly cutting off a lot of the community who count on it (mainly young and old). That in my eyes means it's fine to run it at a loss. A hospital, school, library, street cleaning team etc runs at a loss but it provides a service that improves the place. It would be like trying to get the NHS to make money by throwing out old women and doing breast implants all day....and if that happens give me a dress and call me matron! HelmshoreMan2010
  • Score: -3

3:43pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Loving lances says...

Last year Rossendale BC voted a £20k subsidy for late buses on the 464 route.
Last year Rossendale BC voted a £20k subsidy for late buses on the 464 route. Loving lances
  • Score: 3

11:24pm Tue 18 Feb 14

mysay.com says...

a good point well made helmshoreman, but, in all honesty,, transdev, who operate the x43, have never threatened to remove this service, in actual fact, they have added more services to our area, without RBC funding it or owning it.

Rosso however, have threatened to remove services and gained £20k as loving lances says, (so in essence, they paid themselves an extra £20k of council tax money) to keep it running to provide the vital service as you quite rightly state.

SO with this in mind, and the comparison between the two companies, and the funding given, I am not convinced that selling it off would be a bad thing to be honest, it may actually work in the favour of the residents and travellers who depend on the service.
a good point well made helmshoreman, but, in all honesty,, transdev, who operate the x43, have never threatened to remove this service, in actual fact, they have added more services to our area, without RBC funding it or owning it. Rosso however, have threatened to remove services and gained £20k as loving lances says, (so in essence, they paid themselves an extra £20k of council tax money) to keep it running to provide the vital service as you quite rightly state. SO with this in mind, and the comparison between the two companies, and the funding given, I am not convinced that selling it off would be a bad thing to be honest, it may actually work in the favour of the residents and travellers who depend on the service. mysay.com
  • Score: 3

8:09am Wed 19 Feb 14

Loving lances says...

When the Conservative council sought buyers a few years ago the asking price was too high. The unions had a charm offensive backed by Labour activists, but the end result was that some staff went to Transdev and got better terms. None of the Rosso board have real world jobs except one councillor who runs a taxi firm, the rest are the usual suspects from the public or voluntary sectors. Customer service is non-existent. The company's Facebook and twitter feeds show how angry customers are. Rosso is an amateur firm with many good staff but led by incompetent board members and needs a kick in the pants.
When the Conservative council sought buyers a few years ago the asking price was too high. The unions had a charm offensive backed by Labour activists, but the end result was that some staff went to Transdev and got better terms. None of the Rosso board have real world jobs except one councillor who runs a taxi firm, the rest are the usual suspects from the public or voluntary sectors. Customer service is non-existent. The company's Facebook and twitter feeds show how angry customers are. Rosso is an amateur firm with many good staff but led by incompetent board members and needs a kick in the pants. Loving lances
  • Score: 4

11:51am Wed 19 Feb 14

GAC says...

not sure on the loss/profit as iv been told by a couple of people i know at rosso that they have been doing ok for many a year.

as for the £20k il be honest id forgoten about that one. when it was given to them it seemed odd as i remember myself and others telling rosso they needed to sort out the day time routes that have no one on them rather tham cut late buses to save cash.

il agree about the way its run though, this rebranding which is a joke as to me it smells like another way of trying to set it up to be sold off yet again, something the chief exec has said isnt happening, guess we'l wait and see.

rosso buses just needs someone to go in ride on all the routes over a few months and start tweaking the time tables. the 464 has been one which has been tweaked for the better hence they went from every 10 mins to every 15 mins which if by the look of the buses has made them more efficient at least with more passengers per bus.

im sure theres many others where this could be done also but its having the balls to do it and follow through as we all know councilors will be coming out of the wood work in some area's.
not sure on the loss/profit as iv been told by a couple of people i know at rosso that they have been doing ok for many a year. as for the £20k il be honest id forgoten about that one. when it was given to them it seemed odd as i remember myself and others telling rosso they needed to sort out the day time routes that have no one on them rather tham cut late buses to save cash. il agree about the way its run though, this rebranding which is a joke as to me it smells like another way of trying to set it up to be sold off yet again, something the chief exec has said isnt happening, guess we'l wait and see. rosso buses just needs someone to go in ride on all the routes over a few months and start tweaking the time tables. the 464 has been one which has been tweaked for the better hence they went from every 10 mins to every 15 mins which if by the look of the buses has made them more efficient at least with more passengers per bus. im sure theres many others where this could be done also but its having the balls to do it and follow through as we all know councilors will be coming out of the wood work in some area's. GAC
  • Score: 1

12:59pm Wed 19 Feb 14

mysay.com says...

not entirely sure that councillor Kenyon is on the board for rosso, but I know councillors Gill and Cheetham are, both of whom are also on the committee for taxi licensing, (smells a bit if you ask me) but to be fair, they do talk quite a lot of sense when it comes to it, (well one of them does anyway) and both of whom are also magistrates.

don't forget though, that the £20k was to fund the late night bus only, and was for a period of only 3 months......so was to pay for 90 runs from Rochdale to haslingden, (works out at £222.22 per run) a bit steep, which is the reason why the cost to council tax payers niggles me a bit.
not entirely sure that councillor Kenyon is on the board for rosso, but I know councillors Gill and Cheetham are, both of whom are also on the committee for taxi licensing, (smells a bit if you ask me) but to be fair, they do talk quite a lot of sense when it comes to it, (well one of them does anyway) and both of whom are also magistrates. don't forget though, that the £20k was to fund the late night bus only, and was for a period of only 3 months......so was to pay for 90 runs from Rochdale to haslingden, (works out at £222.22 per run) a bit steep, which is the reason why the cost to council tax payers niggles me a bit. mysay.com
  • Score: 1

4:02pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Loving lances says...

The grumble was that bingo players and teenage clubbers needed a late bus from Rochdale. All subsidised from the council tax.
Since the council offices and council meetings at Futures Park, it should be policy that councillors and senuir staff should be encouraged to travel there on the 464. There have been grumbles from councillors that the police have to travel by bus from Waterfoot station to their beat at Accrington, apparently taking two hours a day and implying that the 464 service is no good. Well, if councillors started using it and gave up the mayoral motor they would see the service that the peasants put up with.
The grumble was that bingo players and teenage clubbers needed a late bus from Rochdale. All subsidised from the council tax. Since the council offices and council meetings at Futures Park, it should be policy that councillors and senuir staff should be encouraged to travel there on the 464. There have been grumbles from councillors that the police have to travel by bus from Waterfoot station to their beat at Accrington, apparently taking two hours a day and implying that the 464 service is no good. Well, if councillors started using it and gave up the mayoral motor they would see the service that the peasants put up with. Loving lances
  • Score: 1

9:26pm Wed 19 Feb 14

mysay.com says...

well put loving lances, although, to be fair, it was more that people working in Rochdale area didn't finish work in time to catch the proposed last bus, which would have meant it costing them more to get home from work, rendering it financially unviable to work there any more, and I am not sure that Rossendale police would have been travelling to Hyndburn force, waterfoot police are for haslingden (which is still open) rawtenstall and bacup and surrounding areas on the beat.

Don't get me wrong, I am not disputing your comments, merely that the source of the information (councillors) may well be mere propaganda and exaggerations.

But I totally agree, councillors should have to travel on their own transport network, to and from these meetings, maybe then the level of service would improve. since some of these meetings go on until after the last bus lol
well put loving lances, although, to be fair, it was more that people working in Rochdale area didn't finish work in time to catch the proposed last bus, which would have meant it costing them more to get home from work, rendering it financially unviable to work there any more, and I am not sure that Rossendale police would have been travelling to Hyndburn force, waterfoot police are for haslingden (which is still open) rawtenstall and bacup and surrounding areas on the beat. Don't get me wrong, I am not disputing your comments, merely that the source of the information (councillors) may well be mere propaganda and exaggerations. But I totally agree, councillors should have to travel on their own transport network, to and from these meetings, maybe then the level of service would improve. since some of these meetings go on until after the last bus lol mysay.com
  • Score: 1

9:43pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Loving lances says...

Thanks, MySay. The comments about bingo and clubbers were the cases quoted by protesters in the local media when cuts were threatened.
And travrlling bsck from Rochdale on a late bus myself, I can vouch that a large proportion of the passengers catching the 464 came out of the Mecca and got off the bus along the route to Whitworth. Not that many on board after Bacup passengers disboarded.
Thanks to the LT reporting staff for their deep research on this story
which has provided this entertaining blog. Thanks to Mr Juffs whose photo above seems to show that he can "hold his own" in the face of criticism!
I bet some of the drivers have pinned this PR garbage on
their notice board. Rosso remind me of the naff managers in
On the Buses!
Thanks, MySay. The comments about bingo and clubbers were the cases quoted by protesters in the local media when cuts were threatened. And travrlling bsck from Rochdale on a late bus myself, I can vouch that a large proportion of the passengers catching the 464 came out of the Mecca and got off the bus along the route to Whitworth. Not that many on board after Bacup passengers disboarded. Thanks to the LT reporting staff for their deep research on this story which has provided this entertaining blog. Thanks to Mr Juffs whose photo above seems to show that he can "hold his own" in the face of criticism! I bet some of the drivers have pinned this PR garbage on their notice board. Rosso remind me of the naff managers in On the Buses! Loving lances
  • Score: 1

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