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85 per cent of East Lancs offenders escape justice

Lancashire Telegraph: Fewer crimes are solved by police Fewer crimes are solved by police

FEWER burglaries were solved by police last year, despite a fall in the number of break-ins, new figures reveal.

More than 85 per cent of offenders in East Lancashire escaped justice in 2013, up from 82 per cent the year before, statistics released under the Freedom of Information Act show.

In the same period, the number of burglaries dropped slightly from 3,946 to 3,914.

The figures have been blamed on sentencing guidelines, which mean captured crooks no longer receive more lenient sentences for admitting other crimes, making it unlikely they will own up to everything they have done once caught.

Det Insp Vinny DeCurtis, from the Eastern Division Target Team, said: “Rightly or wrongly, people would get credit for admitting responsibility for other crimes they had committed to wipe the slate clean.”

In 2012, 143 burglaries were taken into consider-ation compared to 45 last year.

DI Curtis said he had predicted the drop in detection rates, but said 15 per cent was still ‘three times better’ than some forces.

He added: “Certainly the detection rates in Lancashire are superior to other parts of the country.”

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9:29am Thu 29 May 14

The old faithfull says...

Does that mean that the police commissioner is going to resign ?
Does that mean that the police commissioner is going to resign ? The old faithfull
  • Score: 11

11:26am Thu 29 May 14

the beaver says...

I think you will find the drop in burglaries is due to less people having insurance there is no point reporting crimes if you are not covered. I think the opposite has happened burglaries have gone up. And if a burglar only nicks a few hundred pounds of gear with the excess and increase in premiums its not worth reporting. The solution is not crime detection its keeping the crooks locked up or chop their hands off. Another solution is for insurance companies to pay for the thieving scum to be locked up for good. It also stops them breeding!!
I think you will find the drop in burglaries is due to less people having insurance there is no point reporting crimes if you are not covered. I think the opposite has happened burglaries have gone up. And if a burglar only nicks a few hundred pounds of gear with the excess and increase in premiums its not worth reporting. The solution is not crime detection its keeping the crooks locked up or chop their hands off. Another solution is for insurance companies to pay for the thieving scum to be locked up for good. It also stops them breeding!! the beaver
  • Score: 8

12:26pm Thu 29 May 14

zabby says...

Don't believe a word,what the police say and what is fact ,is often miles apart,also most petty crime is not reported these days it's just not worth the hassle,I know from personal experience
Don't believe a word,what the police say and what is fact ,is often miles apart,also most petty crime is not reported these days it's just not worth the hassle,I know from personal experience zabby
  • Score: 4

12:28pm Thu 29 May 14

Manuel Hung says...

Let's start with getting rid of all the Human Rights legislation that criminals use to avoid being prosecuted.
Let's start with getting rid of all the Human Rights legislation that criminals use to avoid being prosecuted. Manuel Hung
  • Score: 6

2:02pm Thu 29 May 14

noddy57 says...

well now, there,s a surprise. l would like to know the detection rates for the past 50 years compared to the previous 50, l would hazard a guess thee old figures were much better in every category .the modern police force is very well equipped but in very short numbers and many less police stations and that is why the force is basically a part time operation. Its a licence to commit crime.
well now, there,s a surprise. l would like to know the detection rates for the past 50 years compared to the previous 50, l would hazard a guess thee old figures were much better in every category .the modern police force is very well equipped but in very short numbers and many less police stations and that is why the force is basically a part time operation. Its a licence to commit crime. noddy57
  • Score: 5

9:32pm Thu 29 May 14

rhodie110961 says...

noddy57 wrote:
well now, there,s a surprise. l would like to know the detection rates for the past 50 years compared to the previous 50, l would hazard a guess thee old figures were much better in every category .the modern police force is very well equipped but in very short numbers and many less police stations and that is why the force is basically a part time operation. Its a licence to commit crime.
Agreed... plus this new police force are absolutely useless. They actively ignore crime because they are too concerned with manipulating figures. I remember when it was reassuring to know the police were just a phone call away, those times are long gone.
[quote][p][bold]noddy57[/bold] wrote: well now, there,s a surprise. l would like to know the detection rates for the past 50 years compared to the previous 50, l would hazard a guess thee old figures were much better in every category .the modern police force is very well equipped but in very short numbers and many less police stations and that is why the force is basically a part time operation. Its a licence to commit crime.[/p][/quote]Agreed... plus this new police force are absolutely useless. They actively ignore crime because they are too concerned with manipulating figures. I remember when it was reassuring to know the police were just a phone call away, those times are long gone. rhodie110961
  • Score: 0

12:49am Fri 30 May 14

Steven Seagull says...

rhodie110961 wrote:
noddy57 wrote:
well now, there,s a surprise. l would like to know the detection rates for the past 50 years compared to the previous 50, l would hazard a guess thee old figures were much better in every category .the modern police force is very well equipped but in very short numbers and many less police stations and that is why the force is basically a part time operation. Its a licence to commit crime.
Agreed... plus this new police force are absolutely useless. They actively ignore crime because they are too concerned with manipulating figures. I remember when it was reassuring to know the police were just a phone call away, those times are long gone.
What new police force?
Do they wear different uniforms and drive different cars and wear different hats?

"They actively ignore crimes because they are too concerned with manipulating the figures"
is that right? Where's your evidence to back this claim up? What's that, you don't have any? Oh yes that's right, you don't have any evidence because you've just made it up haven't you?

Stop believing things you hear in the pub you cretin.
[quote][p][bold]rhodie110961[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noddy57[/bold] wrote: well now, there,s a surprise. l would like to know the detection rates for the past 50 years compared to the previous 50, l would hazard a guess thee old figures were much better in every category .the modern police force is very well equipped but in very short numbers and many less police stations and that is why the force is basically a part time operation. Its a licence to commit crime.[/p][/quote]Agreed... plus this new police force are absolutely useless. They actively ignore crime because they are too concerned with manipulating figures. I remember when it was reassuring to know the police were just a phone call away, those times are long gone.[/p][/quote]What new police force? Do they wear different uniforms and drive different cars and wear different hats? "They actively ignore crimes because they are too concerned with manipulating the figures" is that right? Where's your evidence to back this claim up? What's that, you don't have any? Oh yes that's right, you don't have any evidence because you've just made it up haven't you? Stop believing things you hear in the pub you cretin. Steven Seagull
  • Score: 0

7:33am Fri 30 May 14

BuckoTheMoose says...

"The figures have been blamed on sentencing guidelines, which mean captured crooks no longer receive more lenient sentences for admitting other crimes,"

That just means detection rates are down because less people are admitting crimes. That's rubbish, the police should be out there attending crime scenes and gathering evidence, not waiting for some scrote to own up because he's been nabbed for another crime.

Investigating burglary is much too difficult though, it's better to go after people who say naughty things on Twitter. You don't have to leave the station then, just sit at your computer eating doughnuts and drinking tea.
"The figures have been blamed on sentencing guidelines, which mean captured crooks no longer receive more lenient sentences for admitting other crimes," That just means detection rates are down because less people are admitting crimes. That's rubbish, the police should be out there attending crime scenes and gathering evidence, not waiting for some scrote to own up because he's been nabbed for another crime. Investigating burglary is much too difficult though, it's better to go after people who say naughty things on Twitter. You don't have to leave the station then, just sit at your computer eating doughnuts and drinking tea. BuckoTheMoose
  • Score: 0

7:41am Fri 30 May 14

BuckoTheMoose says...

Steven Seagull wrote:
rhodie110961 wrote:
noddy57 wrote:
well now, there,s a surprise. l would like to know the detection rates for the past 50 years compared to the previous 50, l would hazard a guess thee old figures were much better in every category .the modern police force is very well equipped but in very short numbers and many less police stations and that is why the force is basically a part time operation. Its a licence to commit crime.
Agreed... plus this new police force are absolutely useless. They actively ignore crime because they are too concerned with manipulating figures. I remember when it was reassuring to know the police were just a phone call away, those times are long gone.
What new police force?
Do they wear different uniforms and drive different cars and wear different hats?

"They actively ignore crimes because they are too concerned with manipulating the figures"
is that right? Where's your evidence to back this claim up? What's that, you don't have any? Oh yes that's right, you don't have any evidence because you've just made it up haven't you?

Stop believing things you hear in the pub you cretin.
"What new police force? Do they wear different uniforms and drive different cars and wear different hats? "

Yes they do. They wear high vis jackets rather than the navy blue uniforms of old. They wear American style hats rather than helmets. They drive cars covered in day glo yellow and orange with American sirens rather than white cars with two tone horns. They wear Batman utility belts with extendable batons and pepper spays and tazers rather than handcuffs and a truncheon.

And the biggest difference? Rather than being a police force who are dedicated to preventing and detecting crime and protecting the public while following the Peelian principals, they have become the political correctness enforcement arm of the government who go for soft targets for box ticking purposes while leaving the difficult targets alone and complaining of cuts to their equality and diversity officers.

What new police force? That one.

And please don't ask if I have evidence. I have way too much for one newspaper comment, but in reality, all you need to do is open your eyes and you'll see the evidence all around you.
[quote][p][bold]Steven Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rhodie110961[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noddy57[/bold] wrote: well now, there,s a surprise. l would like to know the detection rates for the past 50 years compared to the previous 50, l would hazard a guess thee old figures were much better in every category .the modern police force is very well equipped but in very short numbers and many less police stations and that is why the force is basically a part time operation. Its a licence to commit crime.[/p][/quote]Agreed... plus this new police force are absolutely useless. They actively ignore crime because they are too concerned with manipulating figures. I remember when it was reassuring to know the police were just a phone call away, those times are long gone.[/p][/quote]What new police force? Do they wear different uniforms and drive different cars and wear different hats? "They actively ignore crimes because they are too concerned with manipulating the figures" is that right? Where's your evidence to back this claim up? What's that, you don't have any? Oh yes that's right, you don't have any evidence because you've just made it up haven't you? Stop believing things you hear in the pub you cretin.[/p][/quote]"What new police force? Do they wear different uniforms and drive different cars and wear different hats? " Yes they do. They wear high vis jackets rather than the navy blue uniforms of old. They wear American style hats rather than helmets. They drive cars covered in day glo yellow and orange with American sirens rather than white cars with two tone horns. They wear Batman utility belts with extendable batons and pepper spays and tazers rather than handcuffs and a truncheon. And the biggest difference? Rather than being a police force who are dedicated to preventing and detecting crime and protecting the public while following the Peelian principals, they have become the political correctness enforcement arm of the government who go for soft targets for box ticking purposes while leaving the difficult targets alone and complaining of cuts to their equality and diversity officers. What new police force? That one. And please don't ask if I have evidence. I have way too much for one newspaper comment, but in reality, all you need to do is open your eyes and you'll see the evidence all around you. BuckoTheMoose
  • Score: -1

8:33am Fri 30 May 14

Steven Seagull says...

BuckoTheMoose wrote:
Steven Seagull wrote:
rhodie110961 wrote:
noddy57 wrote:
well now, there,s a surprise. l would like to know the detection rates for the past 50 years compared to the previous 50, l would hazard a guess thee old figures were much better in every category .the modern police force is very well equipped but in very short numbers and many less police stations and that is why the force is basically a part time operation. Its a licence to commit crime.
Agreed... plus this new police force are absolutely useless. They actively ignore crime because they are too concerned with manipulating figures. I remember when it was reassuring to know the police were just a phone call away, those times are long gone.
What new police force?
Do they wear different uniforms and drive different cars and wear different hats?

"They actively ignore crimes because they are too concerned with manipulating the figures"
is that right? Where's your evidence to back this claim up? What's that, you don't have any? Oh yes that's right, you don't have any evidence because you've just made it up haven't you?

Stop believing things you hear in the pub you cretin.
"What new police force? Do they wear different uniforms and drive different cars and wear different hats? "

Yes they do. They wear high vis jackets rather than the navy blue uniforms of old. They wear American style hats rather than helmets. They drive cars covered in day glo yellow and orange with American sirens rather than white cars with two tone horns. They wear Batman utility belts with extendable batons and pepper spays and tazers rather than handcuffs and a truncheon.

And the biggest difference? Rather than being a police force who are dedicated to preventing and detecting crime and protecting the public while following the Peelian principals, they have become the political correctness enforcement arm of the government who go for soft targets for box ticking purposes while leaving the difficult targets alone and complaining of cuts to their equality and diversity officers.

What new police force? That one.

And please don't ask if I have evidence. I have way too much for one newspaper comment, but in reality, all you need to do is open your eyes and you'll see the evidence all around you.
Well you bang on about the raft of evidence you are in possession of so let's see it rather than you simply coming out with ridiculously wild statements.

The police force you described existed 50 years ago. I'm sorry to have to be the one to break the news to you but it's 2014 now, times have changed and therefore so does the approach to dealing with new issues that pose problems in today's society.

You are basically just another nut job conspiracy theorist that does nothing but trawl the Internet for "reaserch", believing every incomprehensible story put on their by other like minded individuals.

This isn't science fiction film, there's no big conspiracy theories so just accept it and maybe go out and find a girlfriend or a hobby. (or boyfriend whatever)
[quote][p][bold]BuckoTheMoose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steven Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rhodie110961[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noddy57[/bold] wrote: well now, there,s a surprise. l would like to know the detection rates for the past 50 years compared to the previous 50, l would hazard a guess thee old figures were much better in every category .the modern police force is very well equipped but in very short numbers and many less police stations and that is why the force is basically a part time operation. Its a licence to commit crime.[/p][/quote]Agreed... plus this new police force are absolutely useless. They actively ignore crime because they are too concerned with manipulating figures. I remember when it was reassuring to know the police were just a phone call away, those times are long gone.[/p][/quote]What new police force? Do they wear different uniforms and drive different cars and wear different hats? "They actively ignore crimes because they are too concerned with manipulating the figures" is that right? Where's your evidence to back this claim up? What's that, you don't have any? Oh yes that's right, you don't have any evidence because you've just made it up haven't you? Stop believing things you hear in the pub you cretin.[/p][/quote]"What new police force? Do they wear different uniforms and drive different cars and wear different hats? " Yes they do. They wear high vis jackets rather than the navy blue uniforms of old. They wear American style hats rather than helmets. They drive cars covered in day glo yellow and orange with American sirens rather than white cars with two tone horns. They wear Batman utility belts with extendable batons and pepper spays and tazers rather than handcuffs and a truncheon. And the biggest difference? Rather than being a police force who are dedicated to preventing and detecting crime and protecting the public while following the Peelian principals, they have become the political correctness enforcement arm of the government who go for soft targets for box ticking purposes while leaving the difficult targets alone and complaining of cuts to their equality and diversity officers. What new police force? That one. And please don't ask if I have evidence. I have way too much for one newspaper comment, but in reality, all you need to do is open your eyes and you'll see the evidence all around you.[/p][/quote]Well you bang on about the raft of evidence you are in possession of so let's see it rather than you simply coming out with ridiculously wild statements. The police force you described existed 50 years ago. I'm sorry to have to be the one to break the news to you but it's 2014 now, times have changed and therefore so does the approach to dealing with new issues that pose problems in today's society. You are basically just another nut job conspiracy theorist that does nothing but trawl the Internet for "reaserch", believing every incomprehensible story put on their by other like minded individuals. This isn't science fiction film, there's no big conspiracy theories so just accept it and maybe go out and find a girlfriend or a hobby. (or boyfriend whatever) Steven Seagull
  • Score: 0

10:23am Fri 30 May 14

Old age pensioner says...

Now look son we need to get our crime rates down can you except responsibility for these other 45 burglaries then we say we caught you, it's a win win, we give you the same sentence and we get our crime figures down!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now look son we need to get our crime rates down can you except responsibility for these other 45 burglaries then we say we caught you, it's a win win, we give you the same sentence and we get our crime figures down!!!!!!!!!!!!! Old age pensioner
  • Score: 1

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