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Work starts on £5m bus station in Blackburn

Lancashire Telegraph: Work starts on £5m bus station in Blackburn Work starts on £5m bus station in Blackburn

WORK has started on Blackburn’s new £5million bus station.

The start of the work, which has seen part of Ainsworth Street closed, was yesterday greeted as ‘exciting progress’ for the town.

An interim bus station has been opened off Ainsworth Street as the remainder of the area is closed to allow United Utilities to start cabling work.

Coun Maureen Bateson, head of regeneration at Blackburn with Darwen Council, said it was a good time for the town centre.

She said: “It is all happening very quickly. The construction people are all ready to go.

“There will be 14 bays for buses, toilets and an information point. “People will be able to purchase tickets and there will be some sort of refreshments.”

Ainsworth Street will become completely pedestrianised and shoppers and commuters will be able to access the new station from Penny Street, which links to The Mall.

Coun Bateson said: “It is a 38-week build and the completion date we have is in January.

“It is a great time for Blackburn.

“And It is all very exciting.”

The construction of the new facility is the first phase of the Pennine Reach scheme which is a £40 million major transport scheme that the council believes will improve links between Blackburn, Darwen and Accrington.

The Ainsworth Street closure will allow the construction of the bus station on the site of the former six day market and a new pedestrianised area in front of the Mall.

There will be 14 stands which will feature the latest technology to allow passengers to plan their journeys by bus.

It will also be fully manned.

That is in a bid to improve security and provide the travellers with customer information and ticket purchasing facilities.

The work on the £5million state-of-the-art station is due to be completed in January 2015.

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2:20pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Bluelizzy says...

Lets hope the buses don't sink like they did last time.
Lets hope the buses don't sink like they did last time. Bluelizzy
  • Score: 4

3:33pm Tue 4 Mar 14

woolywords says...

Cllr Bateson must have a different type of calculator than the one I got from the Ante-Natal clinic, as mine says, 38 weeks from now is, Tuesday, November 25, 2014 and not January the following year as she indicated.

'Some sort of refreshments' sound really inviting but having read other details of this buildings intentions, am thinking more of a soup kitchen than anything else, so as to cater for all the drop outs from the DWP, around the corner, that are sure to congregate, begging for 20p to go to Darwen, no doubt.
Information is to be provided by screens, that will have all the accuracy of the current bus shelter timetables. (I went to catch a bus at 8:30am today, the first one arrived at 9:03, with the driver telling me that some services had been cancelled in Darwen, as they couldn't maintain the bus schedules, had they run so late! His bus was the 8:44 from that stop.)

'It will be fully manned', is a complete lie from the outset, as there will only be a part-time information office, much as there is now, that will only be 'manned' when there are Inspectors on duty to do so. And then, only if the management chase them out of the office on Penny St. Expect the same dour, unhelpful attitude that characterised the Information office that used to be on Ainsworth St, a few years ago. (I want to use my Rover card to go to Burnley but understand that it will only take me as far as Shuttleworth Mead College, can you tell me how much extra I will have to pay from there? - You'll have to get in touch with Burnley, to find out!)

Am so confident in what I say here that I'm opening a book and taking bets on how long before the whole thing is locked up, with all the info screens turned off by 6pm on weekdays, earlier on Saturdays and none existent on Sundays. As for the toilets, they will be closed, within a month of the thing being opened, with only the bus drivers being able to use them.

Not on included in the plans was a prayer room, for use by those devout drivers whom wish to take a quick prayer break... Shame really, as it may have served the needs of the passengers too.
Cllr Bateson must have a different type of calculator than the one I got from the Ante-Natal clinic, as mine says, 38 weeks from now is, Tuesday, November 25, 2014 and not January the following year as she indicated. 'Some sort of refreshments' sound really inviting but having read other details of this buildings intentions, am thinking more of a soup kitchen than anything else, so as to cater for all the drop outs from the DWP, around the corner, that are sure to congregate, begging for 20p to go to Darwen, no doubt. Information is to be provided by screens, that will have all the accuracy of the current bus shelter timetables. (I went to catch a bus at 8:30am today, the first one arrived at 9:03, with the driver telling me that some services had been cancelled in Darwen, as they couldn't maintain the bus schedules, had they run so late! His bus was the 8:44 from that stop.) 'It will be fully manned', is a complete lie from the outset, as there will only be a part-time information office, much as there is now, that will only be 'manned' when there are Inspectors on duty to do so. And then, only if the management chase them out of the office on Penny St. Expect the same dour, unhelpful attitude that characterised the Information office that used to be on Ainsworth St, a few years ago. (I want to use my Rover card to go to Burnley but understand that it will only take me as far as Shuttleworth Mead College, can you tell me how much extra I will have to pay from there? - You'll have to get in touch with Burnley, to find out!) Am so confident in what I say here that I'm opening a book and taking bets on how long before the whole thing is locked up, with all the info screens turned off by 6pm on weekdays, earlier on Saturdays and none existent on Sundays. As for the toilets, they will be closed, within a month of the thing being opened, with only the bus drivers being able to use them. Not on included in the plans was a prayer room, for use by those devout drivers whom wish to take a quick prayer break... Shame really, as it may have served the needs of the passengers too. woolywords
  • Score: 4

3:46pm Tue 4 Mar 14

frank says...

are they going to have shelters on this one?
are they going to have shelters on this one? frank
  • Score: 8

4:21pm Tue 4 Mar 14

ashton_9 says...

woolywords wrote:
Cllr Bateson must have a different type of calculator than the one I got from the Ante-Natal clinic, as mine says, 38 weeks from now is, Tuesday, November 25, 2014 and not January the following year as she indicated.

'Some sort of refreshments' sound really inviting but having read other details of this buildings intentions, am thinking more of a soup kitchen than anything else, so as to cater for all the drop outs from the DWP, around the corner, that are sure to congregate, begging for 20p to go to Darwen, no doubt.
Information is to be provided by screens, that will have all the accuracy of the current bus shelter timetables. (I went to catch a bus at 8:30am today, the first one arrived at 9:03, with the driver telling me that some services had been cancelled in Darwen, as they couldn't maintain the bus schedules, had they run so late! His bus was the 8:44 from that stop.)

'It will be fully manned', is a complete lie from the outset, as there will only be a part-time information office, much as there is now, that will only be 'manned' when there are Inspectors on duty to do so. And then, only if the management chase them out of the office on Penny St. Expect the same dour, unhelpful attitude that characterised the Information office that used to be on Ainsworth St, a few years ago. (I want to use my Rover card to go to Burnley but understand that it will only take me as far as Shuttleworth Mead College, can you tell me how much extra I will have to pay from there? - You'll have to get in touch with Burnley, to find out!)

Am so confident in what I say here that I'm opening a book and taking bets on how long before the whole thing is locked up, with all the info screens turned off by 6pm on weekdays, earlier on Saturdays and none existent on Sundays. As for the toilets, they will be closed, within a month of the thing being opened, with only the bus drivers being able to use them.

Not on included in the plans was a prayer room, for use by those devout drivers whom wish to take a quick prayer break... Shame really, as it may have served the needs of the passengers too.
I live in London Monday to Friday but head back to sunny Blackburn every weekend because it's home and I love it.

I think people like you would actually prefer Blackburn was left to rot so you can continue to have a good winge and a moan.
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Cllr Bateson must have a different type of calculator than the one I got from the Ante-Natal clinic, as mine says, 38 weeks from now is, Tuesday, November 25, 2014 and not January the following year as she indicated. 'Some sort of refreshments' sound really inviting but having read other details of this buildings intentions, am thinking more of a soup kitchen than anything else, so as to cater for all the drop outs from the DWP, around the corner, that are sure to congregate, begging for 20p to go to Darwen, no doubt. Information is to be provided by screens, that will have all the accuracy of the current bus shelter timetables. (I went to catch a bus at 8:30am today, the first one arrived at 9:03, with the driver telling me that some services had been cancelled in Darwen, as they couldn't maintain the bus schedules, had they run so late! His bus was the 8:44 from that stop.) 'It will be fully manned', is a complete lie from the outset, as there will only be a part-time information office, much as there is now, that will only be 'manned' when there are Inspectors on duty to do so. And then, only if the management chase them out of the office on Penny St. Expect the same dour, unhelpful attitude that characterised the Information office that used to be on Ainsworth St, a few years ago. (I want to use my Rover card to go to Burnley but understand that it will only take me as far as Shuttleworth Mead College, can you tell me how much extra I will have to pay from there? - You'll have to get in touch with Burnley, to find out!) Am so confident in what I say here that I'm opening a book and taking bets on how long before the whole thing is locked up, with all the info screens turned off by 6pm on weekdays, earlier on Saturdays and none existent on Sundays. As for the toilets, they will be closed, within a month of the thing being opened, with only the bus drivers being able to use them. Not on included in the plans was a prayer room, for use by those devout drivers whom wish to take a quick prayer break... Shame really, as it may have served the needs of the passengers too.[/p][/quote]I live in London Monday to Friday but head back to sunny Blackburn every weekend because it's home and I love it. I think people like you would actually prefer Blackburn was left to rot so you can continue to have a good winge and a moan. ashton_9
  • Score: 8

4:47pm Tue 4 Mar 14

jack01 says...

If the above picture is really the best they can do to show people what the new bus station will look like its a poor effort.

Whilst the proposals all sound very good and impressive I echo the opinion that it will only be a matter of time before the toilets are closed to the public (because they cost too much to maintain), the screens will be removed (due to the threat of damage/theft) and unsavoury characters will use the area to congregate all day. Its a shame but unless they employ security to patrol the building it will very quickly become an area that nobody will enjoy going to.

Another shame is that just as soon as construction begins on this new building in the heart of town a couple of hundred yards behind it the centuries old Thwaites brewery will be ceasing operations and moving the majority of its brewing business to the midlands. So we will be left with a huge empty site to welcome passengers to the town.
If the above picture is really the best they can do to show people what the new bus station will look like its a poor effort. Whilst the proposals all sound very good and impressive I echo the opinion that it will only be a matter of time before the toilets are closed to the public (because they cost too much to maintain), the screens will be removed (due to the threat of damage/theft) and unsavoury characters will use the area to congregate all day. Its a shame but unless they employ security to patrol the building it will very quickly become an area that nobody will enjoy going to. Another shame is that just as soon as construction begins on this new building in the heart of town a couple of hundred yards behind it the centuries old Thwaites brewery will be ceasing operations and moving the majority of its brewing business to the midlands. So we will be left with a huge empty site to welcome passengers to the town. jack01
  • Score: 9

8:10pm Tue 4 Mar 14

M.DANNY says...

So there will be 14 bays, toilets ,information points and refreshments .What about shops, cafe, gift shop etc etc
A modern bust station i have seen in many towns have shops, cafe, gift shop hair salon information desk electronic display signs bus arrival and departures times, telephones disable toilets, baby changing room, cctv and security staff.
So there will be 14 bays, toilets ,information points and refreshments .What about shops, cafe, gift shop etc etc A modern bust station i have seen in many towns have shops, cafe, gift shop hair salon information desk electronic display signs bus arrival and departures times, telephones disable toilets, baby changing room, cctv and security staff. M.DANNY
  • Score: 2

8:19pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Copperhead says...

What lefty-wan*ers like Bateson fail to realise is that people don't actually WANT to travel by bus.
We want to use our cars. OK ?
We don't want to be herded onto smelly, late, irregular, unreliable latter-day cattle-trucks just so gobshites like Bateson - who only EVER travel by car ( on expenses of course ) can feel all warm and happy because the peasants are being forced to use " green " public transport ( buses have 14 litre diesel engines which do 6 mpg. GREEN ??? Don't make me laugh !!!!! ) .
It's really all about control.
Commissar Bateson wants to control us all to ensure we all do as we are told and become good little socialists and get rid of our cars so we help her attain her goal of a " green " society - totally controlled and managed by
Stalinistas like her.
That's socialism for you - do as they demand and not what YOU want.
What lefty-wan*ers like Bateson fail to realise is that people don't actually WANT to travel by bus. We want to use our cars. OK ? We don't want to be herded onto smelly, late, irregular, unreliable latter-day cattle-trucks just so gobshites like Bateson - who only EVER travel by car ( on expenses of course ) can feel all warm and happy because the peasants are being forced to use " green " public transport ( buses have 14 litre diesel engines which do 6 mpg. GREEN ??? Don't make me laugh !!!!! ) . It's really all about control. Commissar Bateson wants to control us all to ensure we all do as we are told and become good little socialists and get rid of our cars so we help her attain her goal of a " green " society - totally controlled and managed by Stalinistas like her. That's socialism for you - do as they demand and not what YOU want. Copperhead
  • Score: -4

9:02pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Otherhand says...

Pathetic whinging saddos the lot of you. Always something to complain about. Boo hoo they are building a bus station and its too far to walk from the train station. Lets all have a massive whine on the Internet where we can pretend people actually care.
Pathetic whinging saddos the lot of you. Always something to complain about. Boo hoo they are building a bus station and its too far to walk from the train station. Lets all have a massive whine on the Internet where we can pretend people actually care. Otherhand
  • Score: 6

10:12pm Tue 4 Mar 14

woolywords says...

ashton_9 wrote:
woolywords wrote:
Cllr Bateson must have a different type of calculator than the one I got from the Ante-Natal clinic, as mine says, 38 weeks from now is, Tuesday, November 25, 2014 and not January the following year as she indicated.

'Some sort of refreshments' sound really inviting but having read other details of this buildings intentions, am thinking more of a soup kitchen than anything else, so as to cater for all the drop outs from the DWP, around the corner, that are sure to congregate, begging for 20p to go to Darwen, no doubt.
Information is to be provided by screens, that will have all the accuracy of the current bus shelter timetables. (I went to catch a bus at 8:30am today, the first one arrived at 9:03, with the driver telling me that some services had been cancelled in Darwen, as they couldn't maintain the bus schedules, had they run so late! His bus was the 8:44 from that stop.)

'It will be fully manned', is a complete lie from the outset, as there will only be a part-time information office, much as there is now, that will only be 'manned' when there are Inspectors on duty to do so. And then, only if the management chase them out of the office on Penny St. Expect the same dour, unhelpful attitude that characterised the Information office that used to be on Ainsworth St, a few years ago. (I want to use my Rover card to go to Burnley but understand that it will only take me as far as Shuttleworth Mead College, can you tell me how much extra I will have to pay from there? - You'll have to get in touch with Burnley, to find out!)

Am so confident in what I say here that I'm opening a book and taking bets on how long before the whole thing is locked up, with all the info screens turned off by 6pm on weekdays, earlier on Saturdays and none existent on Sundays. As for the toilets, they will be closed, within a month of the thing being opened, with only the bus drivers being able to use them.

Not on included in the plans was a prayer room, for use by those devout drivers whom wish to take a quick prayer break... Shame really, as it may have served the needs of the passengers too.
I live in London Monday to Friday but head back to sunny Blackburn every weekend because it's home and I love it.

I think people like you would actually prefer Blackburn was left to rot so you can continue to have a good winge and a moan.
Nothing could be further from the truth in what you say and you, of all people, should understand the needs for, in any town or city, an integrated transport system, much as is provided by TfL in London. Where you can walk out of a railway station and there is, within a short walking distance, either a taxi or a bus. Compare that to Blackburn, if you possibly can.
We have a covered railways exit that is cluttered with vehicles that belong to either the Police or railway staff, when it should be an open ended cab rank. Yet to the rear of the railway station, a short walk through a tunnel, many a car parking space that could be utilised, that are empty and with no cabs on a rank, either.
In London, the age and condition of taxis is controlled, with the needs of the user being paramount. Here in Blackburn, cabs are out of date, so not fit for purpose and over-priced. Where each cab is supposed to have a minimum width of door, to enable the modern powered wheelchair, easy access, with ramps carried as part of the vehicle kit. Many of the cabs in Blackburn don't comply with this, many don't have the necessary ramps and are driven by people with bad backs, who cannot assist any passenger.
How often do you hear that are there disagreement between customers and taxi drivers, over the fares that they being charged?
The solution would be for the Council to legislate that ALL taxis on the roads have to be fitted with meters, that are regulated by the authority.
That each taxi proprietor (cab company owner) runs one Hackney style cab, for the purposes of disabled users in the town and that it is available 24/7. That all cars be registered as Hackney cabs, permitting them to pick up anywhere, when hailed.
That any driver that receives 3 customer complaints against them in any month, have their badge revoked.
That any vehicle found not to be roadworthy on two occasions, has it's local authority plate, removed immediately.
So you see, I have put a little bit of thought into what I write here and am not some grumpy old man whose sole aim in life is to denigrate this town. I want the Council to make a positive statement of intent to bring Blackburn taxis, kicking and screaming if they must, into the 21st century. After all they are prepared to regulate the fees that they charge companies and drivers of this town.
And, if the current owner/operators can't find it within themselves to comply, there are thousands upon thousands of other people, equally as capable of doing it, probably to an higher standard than at present.
When next you visit Blackburn, canvass peoples opinions about the taxis here. See if any of the following gets a mention...not on time, the vehicle stank of either tobacco smoke or BO, had some Asian music playing that the driver refused to turn off, was over-charged for a journey that I make many times.
All of the above is based upon my personal experience and anecdotal evidence from people whose words, I trust, implicitly but seem to not be something that the Council seeks to do anything about. So who is wrong here, me or them?
[quote][p][bold]ashton_9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Cllr Bateson must have a different type of calculator than the one I got from the Ante-Natal clinic, as mine says, 38 weeks from now is, Tuesday, November 25, 2014 and not January the following year as she indicated. 'Some sort of refreshments' sound really inviting but having read other details of this buildings intentions, am thinking more of a soup kitchen than anything else, so as to cater for all the drop outs from the DWP, around the corner, that are sure to congregate, begging for 20p to go to Darwen, no doubt. Information is to be provided by screens, that will have all the accuracy of the current bus shelter timetables. (I went to catch a bus at 8:30am today, the first one arrived at 9:03, with the driver telling me that some services had been cancelled in Darwen, as they couldn't maintain the bus schedules, had they run so late! His bus was the 8:44 from that stop.) 'It will be fully manned', is a complete lie from the outset, as there will only be a part-time information office, much as there is now, that will only be 'manned' when there are Inspectors on duty to do so. And then, only if the management chase them out of the office on Penny St. Expect the same dour, unhelpful attitude that characterised the Information office that used to be on Ainsworth St, a few years ago. (I want to use my Rover card to go to Burnley but understand that it will only take me as far as Shuttleworth Mead College, can you tell me how much extra I will have to pay from there? - You'll have to get in touch with Burnley, to find out!) Am so confident in what I say here that I'm opening a book and taking bets on how long before the whole thing is locked up, with all the info screens turned off by 6pm on weekdays, earlier on Saturdays and none existent on Sundays. As for the toilets, they will be closed, within a month of the thing being opened, with only the bus drivers being able to use them. Not on included in the plans was a prayer room, for use by those devout drivers whom wish to take a quick prayer break... Shame really, as it may have served the needs of the passengers too.[/p][/quote]I live in London Monday to Friday but head back to sunny Blackburn every weekend because it's home and I love it. I think people like you would actually prefer Blackburn was left to rot so you can continue to have a good winge and a moan.[/p][/quote]Nothing could be further from the truth in what you say and you, of all people, should understand the needs for, in any town or city, an integrated transport system, much as is provided by TfL in London. Where you can walk out of a railway station and there is, within a short walking distance, either a taxi or a bus. Compare that to Blackburn, if you possibly can. We have a covered railways exit that is cluttered with vehicles that belong to either the Police or railway staff, when it should be an open ended cab rank. Yet to the rear of the railway station, a short walk through a tunnel, many a car parking space that could be utilised, that are empty and with no cabs on a rank, either. In London, the age and condition of taxis is controlled, with the needs of the user being paramount. Here in Blackburn, cabs are out of date, so not fit for purpose and over-priced. Where each cab is supposed to have a minimum width of door, to enable the modern powered wheelchair, easy access, with ramps carried as part of the vehicle kit. Many of the cabs in Blackburn don't comply with this, many don't have the necessary ramps and are driven by people with bad backs, who cannot assist any passenger. How often do you hear that are there disagreement between customers and taxi drivers, over the fares that they being charged? The solution would be for the Council to legislate that ALL taxis on the roads have to be fitted with meters, that are regulated by the authority. That each taxi proprietor (cab company owner) runs one Hackney style cab, for the purposes of disabled users in the town and that it is available 24/7. That all cars be registered as Hackney cabs, permitting them to pick up anywhere, when hailed. That any driver that receives 3 customer complaints against them in any month, have their badge revoked. That any vehicle found not to be roadworthy on two occasions, has it's local authority plate, removed immediately. So you see, I have put a little bit of thought into what I write here and am not some grumpy old man whose sole aim in life is to denigrate this town. I want the Council to make a positive statement of intent to bring Blackburn taxis, kicking and screaming if they must, into the 21st century. After all they are prepared to regulate the fees that they charge companies and drivers of this town. And, if the current owner/operators can't find it within themselves to comply, there are thousands upon thousands of other people, equally as capable of doing it, probably to an higher standard than at present. When next you visit Blackburn, canvass peoples opinions about the taxis here. See if any of the following gets a mention...not on time, the vehicle stank of either tobacco smoke or BO, had some Asian music playing that the driver refused to turn off, was over-charged for a journey that I make many times. All of the above is based upon my personal experience and anecdotal evidence from people whose words, I trust, implicitly but seem to not be something that the Council seeks to do anything about. So who is wrong here, me or them? woolywords
  • Score: 3

10:49pm Tue 4 Mar 14

woolywords says...

Roads..
Where any utility company that digs up a road, is responsible for ensuring that they reinstate the road to it's original condition and maintain it so, until that road is resurfaced.
That any roads that are laid within the Borough's area are fit for purpose, that is, are structurally sound enough to bear the loads that are placed upon them, that they have a wearing course, which is guaranteed for a set period of time.
These are clauses, which are not unreasonable, that our Borough Engineers seem utterly incapable of writing into contracts, as a preventative measure, to ensure that claims against the Authority, for damage to persons or vehicles, are reduced, drastically, from their current levels.
Again, am I wrong in my thinking that such measures cannot be implemented and maintained? Strange how other counties and countries even, can manage such relatively simple steps.
I was recently at Catterick Garrison and happened to mention that I was part of the construction team that laid the tarmac for the Chieftain tank, road testing area. Originally designed to cope with the 52 tonne Chieftain, it's still being used for the 60+ tons of Challenger 2 Main Battle tank, without the need of being repaired in over 30 years, so feel that I'm somewhat qualified in my opinions.
Roads.. Where any utility company that digs up a road, is responsible for ensuring that they reinstate the road to it's original condition and maintain it so, until that road is resurfaced. That any roads that are laid within the Borough's area are fit for purpose, that is, are structurally sound enough to bear the loads that are placed upon them, that they have a wearing course, which is guaranteed for a set period of time. These are clauses, which are not unreasonable, that our Borough Engineers seem utterly incapable of writing into contracts, as a preventative measure, to ensure that claims against the Authority, for damage to persons or vehicles, are reduced, drastically, from their current levels. Again, am I wrong in my thinking that such measures cannot be implemented and maintained? Strange how other counties and countries even, can manage such relatively simple steps. I was recently at Catterick Garrison and happened to mention that I was part of the construction team that laid the tarmac for the Chieftain tank, road testing area. Originally designed to cope with the 52 tonne Chieftain, it's still being used for the 60+ tons of Challenger 2 Main Battle tank, without the need of being repaired in over 30 years, so feel that I'm somewhat qualified in my opinions. woolywords
  • Score: 0

11:19pm Tue 4 Mar 14

sean_brfc says...

All sounds fantastic. Just one problem: they stopped subsidising the bus service from Hoddlesden (and most other villages). So car it will have to be unfortunately.
All sounds fantastic. Just one problem: they stopped subsidising the bus service from Hoddlesden (and most other villages). So car it will have to be unfortunately. sean_brfc
  • Score: 2

11:36pm Tue 4 Mar 14

fireonthemountain says...

Some utterly brilliant comments on here !

Too many to praise individually .

So I will pinch and paraphrase some , mixed in with my own experience .

Today I nipped to Leeds to bring one of our kiddywinks back from his flat , as he is moving to another job in Birmingham . I drive a large estate car .

It was full !! - Obviously kiddywink came back with me .
Cost ? About £35 in petrol .

How could that be done by public transport ?
It's £25 on the train singe fare !!

Anyway , I was chatting to a mate - he came up with a very interesting theory.....

He reckons that it is deliberate Government policy , and not just this Government , to destroy public transport of any kind .

Why so ? - because trains lose massive amounts of money , and have to be subsidised by Central Government (there goes my tax) .

Many bus routes have to be subsidised (there goes my council tax) .

Whereas the motorist is a cash cow .

Opinions please .

One last point -

The new bus station - yes , a magnet for the dossers .

Would you walk into a public loo there ? - Me neither .

How sad .
Some utterly brilliant comments on here ! Too many to praise individually . So I will pinch and paraphrase some , mixed in with my own experience . Today I nipped to Leeds to bring one of our kiddywinks back from his flat , as he is moving to another job in Birmingham . I drive a large estate car . It was full !! - Obviously kiddywink came back with me . Cost ? About £35 in petrol . How could that be done by public transport ? It's £25 on the train singe fare !! Anyway , I was chatting to a mate - he came up with a very interesting theory..... He reckons that it is deliberate Government policy , and not just this Government , to destroy public transport of any kind . Why so ? - because trains lose massive amounts of money , and have to be subsidised by Central Government (there goes my tax) . Many bus routes have to be subsidised (there goes my council tax) . Whereas the motorist is a cash cow . Opinions please . One last point - The new bus station - yes , a magnet for the dossers . Would you walk into a public loo there ? - Me neither . How sad . fireonthemountain
  • Score: 0

6:32am Wed 5 Mar 14

dean555 says...

Toilets???? What the hell are those? I thought you went for a wee or to be sick in one of those metal things with 3 sides made of glass..bus shelters I think there called. And light refreshments = vending machine..

In all seriousness, I have spent the last two days in Edinburgh, roughly 4 mile out of the city! There is a flat rate of £1.50 for the busses regardless of distance! I did however use a car park and got charged £2 for an hour!

The thing is, there are things I want to see in Edinburgh, and it's shopping centre is very good! Blackburn on the other hand....well, what can I say, busses expensive, car park expensive, full of pound shops etc..

Until they make it more appealing people will go to preston, with the park and ride a brilliant idea! It's a shame really, as the potential is there, but as always, the council pander to certain groups!
Toilets???? What the hell are those? I thought you went for a wee or to be sick in one of those metal things with 3 sides made of glass..bus shelters I think there called. And light refreshments = vending machine.. In all seriousness, I have spent the last two days in Edinburgh, roughly 4 mile out of the city! There is a flat rate of £1.50 for the busses regardless of distance! I did however use a car park and got charged £2 for an hour! The thing is, there are things I want to see in Edinburgh, and it's shopping centre is very good! Blackburn on the other hand....well, what can I say, busses expensive, car park expensive, full of pound shops etc.. Until they make it more appealing people will go to preston, with the park and ride a brilliant idea! It's a shame really, as the potential is there, but as always, the council pander to certain groups! dean555
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7:09am Wed 5 Mar 14

happycyclist says...

"It will also be fully manned."

Remember that one.
"It will also be fully manned." Remember that one. happycyclist
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