Darwen Heritage Centre meeting fury

First published in News Lancashire Telegraph: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter

A PUBLIC meeting to gauge opinion on the idea of a heritage centre for Darwen ended with people left disappointed.

The town council wants to create the dedicated heritage centre which would be used to attract visitors to the town, and promote Darwen for shopping and leisure.

They had been looking to buy the former HSBC bank in The Circus, but now may have to consider alternative venues after the building was sold off, subject to contract.

The council plans to borrow money to purchase a heritage building, but has promised not to increase the council tax precept to pay for the loan.

While Darwen Town Council would own the building, councillors hope a trust board can be recruited from the town’s people to manage and direct the new centre.

But the plans have not been without controversy, as some residents object to the idea of housing the centre in a dedicated building.

Several people left Thursday night’s meeting at Darwen Aldridge Community Academy feeling unhappy, claiming they had not been properly consulted.

Tony Foster, who attended the meeting, said: “I assumed the meeting had been called in order to obtain people’s views on the centre, but it would seem the organisers only wanted answers to their questions, and therefore there was no two-way dialogue.”

And Lynn Schofield said: “It was disappointed about how it was run. We were expecting a public consultation.

“If that was public consultation, I can walk on the ceiling. It was not a proper consultation.

“They wouldn’t let people ask questions, and my husband and I stood up and left.”

But Darwen town councillor Brian Taylor, who has been leading the project, defended the consultation.

He said: “They sat down in groups for half an hour where they could ask any questions at all.

“Some people wanted to ask questions during the meeting but we didn’t want a free-for-all so asked for questions instead at the end, and I did stay at the end.

“I also said I would respond to emails and that seemed to suffice.

“They had ample opportunity to ask questions both in the groups and to me at the end directly.

“I’m flabbergasted by the vehement opposition. you would think I’m trying to take something away from them. I’m trying to give them something.

“I want to provide a bespoke building for a heritage centre, not a dusty corner of the library.”

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8:02am Sun 16 Feb 14

HelpingDarwen says...

Love the quote from Brian Taylor "I'm trying to GIVE them something". Er, he wants US to take out a mortgage, that we will have to repay plus-cost with OUR money, to fund something that WE clearly don't want.
The concept of giving must have moved on somewhat!
Love the quote from Brian Taylor "I'm trying to GIVE them something". Er, he wants US to take out a mortgage, that we will have to repay plus-cost with OUR money, to fund something that WE clearly don't want. The concept of giving must have moved on somewhat! HelpingDarwen
  • Score: 18

12:02pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Darrenman says...

I thought the whole purpose of asking questions was to obtain answers. We I asked questions in my group I was told that it was not possible to answer questions. This is clearly in conflict to Brian Taylor’s statement. At the end of the meeting he refused to answer questions, stating "I am not answering questions when you are ganging up on me". So Darren1951 is correct.
I thought the whole purpose of asking questions was to obtain answers. We I asked questions in my group I was told that it was not possible to answer questions. This is clearly in conflict to Brian Taylor’s statement. At the end of the meeting he refused to answer questions, stating "I am not answering questions when you are ganging up on me". So Darren1951 is correct. Darrenman
  • Score: 13

12:15pm Sun 16 Feb 14

happycyclist says...

Brian Taylor wants to give us something using our own money? How does that work?
Brian Taylor wants to give us something using our own money? How does that work? happycyclist
  • Score: 13

12:37pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Darwendinal says...

'Dusty corner of the library' Nice of Brian Taylor to start picking on the Library, maybe instead of wanting to spend money on a building they don't even have, they could look at 'cleaning the dust away' from already existing, loved buildings. And these 'questions' he says that were asked in the 'groups' he was not in the groups so no questions were answered by those involved. The meeting just left us with even more questions than we already had to start with and extremely frustrated with the political school yard tactics.
'Dusty corner of the library' Nice of Brian Taylor to start picking on the Library, maybe instead of wanting to spend money on a building they don't even have, they could look at 'cleaning the dust away' from already existing, loved buildings. And these 'questions' he says that were asked in the 'groups' he was not in the groups so no questions were answered by those involved. The meeting just left us with even more questions than we already had to start with and extremely frustrated with the political school yard tactics. Darwendinal
  • Score: 14

5:09pm Sun 16 Feb 14

bilkophil says...

What is Councillor Taylor frightened of ? He refused to answer questions on his proposals at the meeting about a heritage centre. This to me means he knows his proposals are flawed and is unwilling to test his ideas via the heat of debate.
His dismissive comment about the library in your article obviously reveals his disdain for what is one of the major jewels in Darwen. This leads me to think that is he the right man to be a councillor representing the views of the people of Darwen?
I hope the voters of his ward Sunnyhurst remember this when re election time comes.
What is Councillor Taylor frightened of ? He refused to answer questions on his proposals at the meeting about a heritage centre. This to me means he knows his proposals are flawed and is unwilling to test his ideas via the heat of debate. His dismissive comment about the library in your article obviously reveals his disdain for what is one of the major jewels in Darwen. This leads me to think that is he the right man to be a councillor representing the views of the people of Darwen? I hope the voters of his ward Sunnyhurst remember this when re election time comes. bilkophil
  • Score: 14

1:29am Mon 17 Feb 14

english rose 1 says...

The comments above are misguided. The Town Council voted to buy the former HSBC (if possible) bank via a mortgage. This would not cost anything on top of the current precept, as DTC has already set money aside. The meeting had to take place as, to borrow dosh from Blackburn with Darwen Council, the Govt insists that a consultation meeting has to take place. The meeting wasn't for those who don't want a Heritage Centre, as the concept had already been decided.
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There has already been 2 bids to the Heritage Lottery for a museum / heritage centre in the Library. Unfortunately these were refused, mainly because of lack of space. The Friends of Darwen Library have already discused having a Heritage Area (NOT a Heritage Centre), which involves moving some shelves and creating some wall space. This would cost nothing, but is a completely separate venture from the Heritage Centre.
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Anyone visiting say the Pendle Heritage Centre cannot be other than impressed. It's a great way to promote a towns heritage, history and culture.
Folk not wanting A Darwen Heritage Centre musn't want to celebrate and promote our town of Darwen.
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The former HSBC building would have been an ideal venue, with easy access, parking and the strong possibility of attracting grant funding being in the Conservation area. Unfortunately someone else wants to buy the building and must have offered more money than DTC. However, even if the building is sold to someone else, then the search for another premises can still go on.
The comments above are misguided. The Town Council voted to buy the former HSBC (if possible) bank via a mortgage. This would not cost anything on top of the current precept, as DTC has already set money aside. The meeting had to take place as, to borrow dosh from Blackburn with Darwen Council, the Govt insists that a consultation meeting has to take place. The meeting wasn't for those who don't want a Heritage Centre, as the concept had already been decided. * There has already been 2 bids to the Heritage Lottery for a museum / heritage centre in the Library. Unfortunately these were refused, mainly because of lack of space. The Friends of Darwen Library have already discused having a Heritage Area (NOT a Heritage Centre), which involves moving some shelves and creating some wall space. This would cost nothing, but is a completely separate venture from the Heritage Centre. * Anyone visiting say the Pendle Heritage Centre cannot be other than impressed. It's a great way to promote a towns heritage, history and culture. Folk not wanting A Darwen Heritage Centre musn't want to celebrate and promote our town of Darwen. * The former HSBC building would have been an ideal venue, with easy access, parking and the strong possibility of attracting grant funding being in the Conservation area. Unfortunately someone else wants to buy the building and must have offered more money than DTC. However, even if the building is sold to someone else, then the search for another premises can still go on. english rose 1
  • Score: -10

6:44am Mon 17 Feb 14

happycyclist says...

english rose 1 wrote:
The comments above are misguided. The Town Council voted to buy the former HSBC (if possible) bank via a mortgage. This would not cost anything on top of the current precept, as DTC has already set money aside. The meeting had to take place as, to borrow dosh from Blackburn with Darwen Council, the Govt insists that a consultation meeting has to take place. The meeting wasn't for those who don't want a Heritage Centre, as the concept had already been decided.
*
There has already been 2 bids to the Heritage Lottery for a museum / heritage centre in the Library. Unfortunately these were refused, mainly because of lack of space. The Friends of Darwen Library have already discused having a Heritage Area (NOT a Heritage Centre), which involves moving some shelves and creating some wall space. This would cost nothing, but is a completely separate venture from the Heritage Centre.
*
Anyone visiting say the Pendle Heritage Centre cannot be other than impressed. It's a great way to promote a towns heritage, history and culture.
Folk not wanting A Darwen Heritage Centre musn't want to celebrate and promote our town of Darwen.
*
The former HSBC building would have been an ideal venue, with easy access, parking and the strong possibility of attracting grant funding being in the Conservation area. Unfortunately someone else wants to buy the building and must have offered more money than DTC. However, even if the building is sold to someone else, then the search for another premises can still go on.
Insightful post. Thanks, english rose.
[quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: The comments above are misguided. The Town Council voted to buy the former HSBC (if possible) bank via a mortgage. This would not cost anything on top of the current precept, as DTC has already set money aside. The meeting had to take place as, to borrow dosh from Blackburn with Darwen Council, the Govt insists that a consultation meeting has to take place. The meeting wasn't for those who don't want a Heritage Centre, as the concept had already been decided. * There has already been 2 bids to the Heritage Lottery for a museum / heritage centre in the Library. Unfortunately these were refused, mainly because of lack of space. The Friends of Darwen Library have already discused having a Heritage Area (NOT a Heritage Centre), which involves moving some shelves and creating some wall space. This would cost nothing, but is a completely separate venture from the Heritage Centre. * Anyone visiting say the Pendle Heritage Centre cannot be other than impressed. It's a great way to promote a towns heritage, history and culture. Folk not wanting A Darwen Heritage Centre musn't want to celebrate and promote our town of Darwen. * The former HSBC building would have been an ideal venue, with easy access, parking and the strong possibility of attracting grant funding being in the Conservation area. Unfortunately someone else wants to buy the building and must have offered more money than DTC. However, even if the building is sold to someone else, then the search for another premises can still go on.[/p][/quote]Insightful post. Thanks, english rose. happycyclist
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7:57am Mon 17 Feb 14

HelpingDarwen says...

english rose 1 wrote:
The comments above are misguided. The Town Council voted to buy the former HSBC (if possible) bank via a mortgage. This would not cost anything on top of the current precept, as DTC has already set money aside. The meeting had to take place as, to borrow dosh from Blackburn with Darwen Council, the Govt insists that a consultation meeting has to take place. The meeting wasn't for those who don't want a Heritage Centre, as the concept had already been decided.
*
There has already been 2 bids to the Heritage Lottery for a museum / heritage centre in the Library. Unfortunately these were refused, mainly because of lack of space. The Friends of Darwen Library have already discused having a Heritage Area (NOT a Heritage Centre), which involves moving some shelves and creating some wall space. This would cost nothing, but is a completely separate venture from the Heritage Centre.
*
Anyone visiting say the Pendle Heritage Centre cannot be other than impressed. It's a great way to promote a towns heritage, history and culture.
Folk not wanting A Darwen Heritage Centre musn't want to celebrate and promote our town of Darwen.
*
The former HSBC building would have been an ideal venue, with easy access, parking and the strong possibility of attracting grant funding being in the Conservation area. Unfortunately someone else wants to buy the building and must have offered more money than DTC. However, even if the building is sold to someone else, then the search for another premises can still go on.
In your first para you miss the point completely. Just because DTC has "already set money aside" doesn't mean that it is not planning to spend OUR money on something that WE do not view as a priority, and that could be achieved (eg via the Library) at much lower cost anyway.
[quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: The comments above are misguided. The Town Council voted to buy the former HSBC (if possible) bank via a mortgage. This would not cost anything on top of the current precept, as DTC has already set money aside. The meeting had to take place as, to borrow dosh from Blackburn with Darwen Council, the Govt insists that a consultation meeting has to take place. The meeting wasn't for those who don't want a Heritage Centre, as the concept had already been decided. * There has already been 2 bids to the Heritage Lottery for a museum / heritage centre in the Library. Unfortunately these were refused, mainly because of lack of space. The Friends of Darwen Library have already discused having a Heritage Area (NOT a Heritage Centre), which involves moving some shelves and creating some wall space. This would cost nothing, but is a completely separate venture from the Heritage Centre. * Anyone visiting say the Pendle Heritage Centre cannot be other than impressed. It's a great way to promote a towns heritage, history and culture. Folk not wanting A Darwen Heritage Centre musn't want to celebrate and promote our town of Darwen. * The former HSBC building would have been an ideal venue, with easy access, parking and the strong possibility of attracting grant funding being in the Conservation area. Unfortunately someone else wants to buy the building and must have offered more money than DTC. However, even if the building is sold to someone else, then the search for another premises can still go on.[/p][/quote]In your first para you miss the point completely. Just because DTC has "already set money aside" doesn't mean that it is not planning to spend OUR money on something that WE do not view as a priority, and that could be achieved (eg via the Library) at much lower cost anyway. HelpingDarwen
  • Score: 9

9:41am Mon 17 Feb 14

Angusam says...

I can see both sides to this.

On one hand, Darwen has a unique rich history, one that I think should be developed so that people can really see what has gone on in this lovely town over the years. Just look at the Darwen Days website, this has only scratched the surface on the history of this town.

I can also see the positives of a building not being left empty and derilict in the town centre and there is always the worry about what will end up going into this building.

However on the other hand, would the money for this project be better spent at this time of cutts for things that are more important to the town?.

For example would any of the historical buildings in the town benefit from this money being spent on them for restoration ect?
I can see both sides to this. On one hand, Darwen has a unique rich history, one that I think should be developed so that people can really see what has gone on in this lovely town over the years. Just look at the Darwen Days website, this has only scratched the surface on the history of this town. I can also see the positives of a building not being left empty and derilict in the town centre and there is always the worry about what will end up going into this building. However on the other hand, would the money for this project be better spent at this time of cutts for things that are more important to the town?. For example would any of the historical buildings in the town benefit from this money being spent on them for restoration ect? Angusam
  • Score: 5

10:02am Mon 17 Feb 14

louderfasterlonger says...

Angusam wrote:
I can see both sides to this.

On one hand, Darwen has a unique rich history, one that I think should be developed so that people can really see what has gone on in this lovely town over the years. Just look at the Darwen Days website, this has only scratched the surface on the history of this town.

I can also see the positives of a building not being left empty and derilict in the town centre and there is always the worry about what will end up going into this building.

However on the other hand, would the money for this project be better spent at this time of cutts for things that are more important to the town?.

For example would any of the historical buildings in the town benefit from this money being spent on them for restoration ect?
It has been mooted that a Heritage Centre in Darwen Library will help preserve the status of Darwen Library and I can understand people's concerns. But the closing of Darwen Library has never been on the agenda for BwDBC and I would hope never will be. Indeed the concept of a Heritage Centre has been on the BwDBC forward plan for Darwen Town Centre for a number of years. Brian is trying to turn that concept into a reality and is working hard to raise funding.

The money used in buying a building will mean that Darwen Town Council will not only have a great heritage centre, it will also own estate which one would hope would increase in value. Should the heritage centre fail, the building would be retained as a community asset.

The heritage centre would attract a grant of up to £150,000 for set-up and running costs, outside investment in our town's culture and heritage that cannot be overlooked.

The £150,000 is only the tip of the iceberg. Town Councillors are meeting with Heritage Lottery Fund to discuss other projects including repair and enhancement of iconic public buildings within the Town Centre heritage area.
[quote][p][bold]Angusam[/bold] wrote: I can see both sides to this. On one hand, Darwen has a unique rich history, one that I think should be developed so that people can really see what has gone on in this lovely town over the years. Just look at the Darwen Days website, this has only scratched the surface on the history of this town. I can also see the positives of a building not being left empty and derilict in the town centre and there is always the worry about what will end up going into this building. However on the other hand, would the money for this project be better spent at this time of cutts for things that are more important to the town?. For example would any of the historical buildings in the town benefit from this money being spent on them for restoration ect?[/p][/quote]It has been mooted that a Heritage Centre in Darwen Library will help preserve the status of Darwen Library and I can understand people's concerns. But the closing of Darwen Library has never been on the agenda for BwDBC and I would hope never will be. Indeed the concept of a Heritage Centre has been on the BwDBC forward plan for Darwen Town Centre for a number of years. Brian is trying to turn that concept into a reality and is working hard to raise funding. The money used in buying a building will mean that Darwen Town Council will not only have a great heritage centre, it will also own estate which one would hope would increase in value. Should the heritage centre fail, the building would be retained as a community asset. The heritage centre would attract a grant of up to £150,000 for set-up and running costs, outside investment in our town's culture and heritage that cannot be overlooked. The £150,000 is only the tip of the iceberg. Town Councillors are meeting with Heritage Lottery Fund to discuss other projects including repair and enhancement of iconic public buildings within the Town Centre heritage area. louderfasterlonger
  • Score: 2

3:48pm Mon 17 Feb 14

english rose 1 says...

HelpingDarwen states ''In your first para you miss the point completely. Just because DTC has "already set money aside" doesn't mean that it is not planning to spend OUR money on something that WE do not view as a priority, and that could be achieved (eg via the Library) at much lower cost anyway.''
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I don't want MY money used for nuclear weapons or giving £millionaires a tax cut. But unfortunately that will happen with MY money ! I would rather see an empty building in OUR town centre used for a Heritage Centre. Who is this 'WE' anyway ?? Some folk will disagree with a Heritage Centre, but a lot will want one. Have a visit to the one in Barrowford - it is terrific.
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The Friends of Darwen Library are NOT proposing a Heritage Centre. They are proposing a heritage area by moving shelves around and finding som wall space. That will cost nothing, but it isn't a Heritage Centre. The 2 ideas are not mutually exclusive - I hope that BOTH happen ! And neither will cost me an extra penny on what I already pay !
HelpingDarwen states ''In your first para you miss the point completely. Just because DTC has "already set money aside" doesn't mean that it is not planning to spend OUR money on something that WE do not view as a priority, and that could be achieved (eg via the Library) at much lower cost anyway.'' * I don't want MY money used for nuclear weapons or giving £millionaires a tax cut. But unfortunately that will happen with MY money ! I would rather see an empty building in OUR town centre used for a Heritage Centre. Who is this 'WE' anyway ?? Some folk will disagree with a Heritage Centre, but a lot will want one. Have a visit to the one in Barrowford - it is terrific. * The Friends of Darwen Library are NOT proposing a Heritage Centre. They are proposing a heritage area by moving shelves around and finding som wall space. That will cost nothing, but it isn't a Heritage Centre. The 2 ideas are not mutually exclusive - I hope that BOTH happen ! And neither will cost me an extra penny on what I already pay ! english rose 1
  • Score: 2

4:15pm Mon 17 Feb 14

hasslem hasslem says...

english rose 1 wrote:
HelpingDarwen states ''In your first para you miss the point completely. Just because DTC has "already set money aside" doesn't mean that it is not planning to spend OUR money on something that WE do not view as a priority, and that could be achieved (eg via the Library) at much lower cost anyway.''
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I don't want MY money used for nuclear weapons or giving £millionaires a tax cut. But unfortunately that will happen with MY money ! I would rather see an empty building in OUR town centre used for a Heritage Centre. Who is this 'WE' anyway ?? Some folk will disagree with a Heritage Centre, but a lot will want one. Have a visit to the one in Barrowford - it is terrific.
*
The Friends of Darwen Library are NOT proposing a Heritage Centre. They are proposing a heritage area by moving shelves around and finding som wall space. That will cost nothing, but it isn't a Heritage Centre. The 2 ideas are not mutually exclusive - I hope that BOTH happen ! And neither will cost me an extra penny on what I already pay !
just using all the accrued precept - is that rome burning over the moors
[quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: HelpingDarwen states ''In your first para you miss the point completely. Just because DTC has "already set money aside" doesn't mean that it is not planning to spend OUR money on something that WE do not view as a priority, and that could be achieved (eg via the Library) at much lower cost anyway.'' * I don't want MY money used for nuclear weapons or giving £millionaires a tax cut. But unfortunately that will happen with MY money ! I would rather see an empty building in OUR town centre used for a Heritage Centre. Who is this 'WE' anyway ?? Some folk will disagree with a Heritage Centre, but a lot will want one. Have a visit to the one in Barrowford - it is terrific. * The Friends of Darwen Library are NOT proposing a Heritage Centre. They are proposing a heritage area by moving shelves around and finding som wall space. That will cost nothing, but it isn't a Heritage Centre. The 2 ideas are not mutually exclusive - I hope that BOTH happen ! And neither will cost me an extra penny on what I already pay ![/p][/quote]just using all the accrued precept - is that rome burning over the moors hasslem hasslem
  • Score: 2

5:36pm Mon 17 Feb 14

HelpingDarwen says...

english rose 1 wrote:
HelpingDarwen states ''In your first para you miss the point completely. Just because DTC has "already set money aside" doesn't mean that it is not planning to spend OUR money on something that WE do not view as a priority, and that could be achieved (eg via the Library) at much lower cost anyway.''
*
I don't want MY money used for nuclear weapons or giving £millionaires a tax cut. But unfortunately that will happen with MY money ! I would rather see an empty building in OUR town centre used for a Heritage Centre. Who is this 'WE' anyway ?? Some folk will disagree with a Heritage Centre, but a lot will want one. Have a visit to the one in Barrowford - it is terrific.
*
The Friends of Darwen Library are NOT proposing a Heritage Centre. They are proposing a heritage area by moving shelves around and finding som wall space. That will cost nothing, but it isn't a Heritage Centre. The 2 ideas are not mutually exclusive - I hope that BOTH happen ! And neither will cost me an extra penny on what I already pay !
Haha English Rose, I was thinking Darwen Council might spend it on creating more jobs, bringing the parks back to life etc, rather than building a nuclear bomb!!

Most people will not appreciate your distinction between a Heritage AREA (free) and a Heritage CENTRE (guess at £250k plus annual running costs of say £75k).

They have already cost you, because they squirreled it away from your previous payments, without telling you (until now)
[quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: HelpingDarwen states ''In your first para you miss the point completely. Just because DTC has "already set money aside" doesn't mean that it is not planning to spend OUR money on something that WE do not view as a priority, and that could be achieved (eg via the Library) at much lower cost anyway.'' * I don't want MY money used for nuclear weapons or giving £millionaires a tax cut. But unfortunately that will happen with MY money ! I would rather see an empty building in OUR town centre used for a Heritage Centre. Who is this 'WE' anyway ?? Some folk will disagree with a Heritage Centre, but a lot will want one. Have a visit to the one in Barrowford - it is terrific. * The Friends of Darwen Library are NOT proposing a Heritage Centre. They are proposing a heritage area by moving shelves around and finding som wall space. That will cost nothing, but it isn't a Heritage Centre. The 2 ideas are not mutually exclusive - I hope that BOTH happen ! And neither will cost me an extra penny on what I already pay ![/p][/quote]Haha English Rose, I was thinking Darwen Council might spend it on creating more jobs, bringing the parks back to life etc, rather than building a nuclear bomb!! Most people will not appreciate your distinction between a Heritage AREA (free) and a Heritage CENTRE (guess at £250k plus annual running costs of say £75k). They have already cost you, because they squirreled it away from your previous payments, without telling you (until now) HelpingDarwen
  • Score: 3

1:54am Tue 18 Feb 14

bilkophil says...

Scandalous that English Rose reveals that the money for this scheme is already allocated. How can she look the poor and unemployed of Darwen in the eye and say this money has already been squirelled away unused when it should have been used to relieve their problems. . If that is the case what a dereliction of duty and if I was poor or unemployed I would n't be voting them back onto power.
We are seeing the words mortgage, loans and grants bandied about willy nilly which is muddying the waters. A loan or mortgage has to be repaid. If the scheme fails the repayments fall onto DTC pure and simple. Thus there is less money to spend in the future.
The Pendle Centre is a good example of a tightly and modestly run organisation. It depends mainly on NW heritage lottery finance I believe but before they started the building was already owned and converted into the Heritage Centre. Thus no large capital commitment was required. Unlike the Darwen scheme!
In a perfect world we would all love a Heritage centre to celebrate our history and individuality BUT in the present economic climate it is a pure extravagance. In the meantime the library would be a secure base to start off this scheme and as things grow and the economy improves (hopefully) then the collection can move on to other dedicated premises.
Scandalous that English Rose reveals that the money for this scheme is already allocated. How can she look the poor and unemployed of Darwen in the eye and say this money has already been squirelled away unused when it should have been used to relieve their problems. . If that is the case what a dereliction of duty and if I was poor or unemployed I would n't be voting them back onto power. We are seeing the words mortgage, loans and grants bandied about willy nilly which is muddying the waters. A loan or mortgage has to be repaid. If the scheme fails the repayments fall onto DTC pure and simple. Thus there is less money to spend in the future. The Pendle Centre is a good example of a tightly and modestly run organisation. It depends mainly on NW heritage lottery finance I believe but before they started the building was already owned and converted into the Heritage Centre. Thus no large capital commitment was required. Unlike the Darwen scheme! In a perfect world we would all love a Heritage centre to celebrate our history and individuality BUT in the present economic climate it is a pure extravagance. In the meantime the library would be a secure base to start off this scheme and as things grow and the economy improves (hopefully) then the collection can move on to other dedicated premises. bilkophil
  • Score: 4

8:31am Tue 18 Feb 14

HelpingDarwen says...

bilkophil wrote:
Scandalous that English Rose reveals that the money for this scheme is already allocated. How can she look the poor and unemployed of Darwen in the eye and say this money has already been squirelled away unused when it should have been used to relieve their problems. . If that is the case what a dereliction of duty and if I was poor or unemployed I would n't be voting them back onto power.
We are seeing the words mortgage, loans and grants bandied about willy nilly which is muddying the waters. A loan or mortgage has to be repaid. If the scheme fails the repayments fall onto DTC pure and simple. Thus there is less money to spend in the future.
The Pendle Centre is a good example of a tightly and modestly run organisation. It depends mainly on NW heritage lottery finance I believe but before they started the building was already owned and converted into the Heritage Centre. Thus no large capital commitment was required. Unlike the Darwen scheme!
In a perfect world we would all love a Heritage centre to celebrate our history and individuality BUT in the present economic climate it is a pure extravagance. In the meantime the library would be a secure base to start off this scheme and as things grow and the economy improves (hopefully) then the collection can move on to other dedicated premises.
+1
[quote][p][bold]bilkophil[/bold] wrote: Scandalous that English Rose reveals that the money for this scheme is already allocated. How can she look the poor and unemployed of Darwen in the eye and say this money has already been squirelled away unused when it should have been used to relieve their problems. . If that is the case what a dereliction of duty and if I was poor or unemployed I would n't be voting them back onto power. We are seeing the words mortgage, loans and grants bandied about willy nilly which is muddying the waters. A loan or mortgage has to be repaid. If the scheme fails the repayments fall onto DTC pure and simple. Thus there is less money to spend in the future. The Pendle Centre is a good example of a tightly and modestly run organisation. It depends mainly on NW heritage lottery finance I believe but before they started the building was already owned and converted into the Heritage Centre. Thus no large capital commitment was required. Unlike the Darwen scheme! In a perfect world we would all love a Heritage centre to celebrate our history and individuality BUT in the present economic climate it is a pure extravagance. In the meantime the library would be a secure base to start off this scheme and as things grow and the economy improves (hopefully) then the collection can move on to other dedicated premises.[/p][/quote]+1 HelpingDarwen
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12:33pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Darrenman says...

english rose 1 wrote:
The comments above are misguided. The Town Council voted to buy the former HSBC (if possible) bank via a mortgage. This would not cost anything on top of the current precept, as DTC has already set money aside. The meeting had to take place as, to borrow dosh from Blackburn with Darwen Council, the Govt insists that a consultation meeting has to take place. The meeting wasn't for those who don't want a Heritage Centre, as the concept had already been decided.
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There has already been 2 bids to the Heritage Lottery for a museum / heritage centre in the Library. Unfortunately these were refused, mainly because of lack of space. The Friends of Darwen Library have already discused having a Heritage Area (NOT a Heritage Centre), which involves moving some shelves and creating some wall space. This would cost nothing, but is a completely separate venture from the Heritage Centre.
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Anyone visiting say the Pendle Heritage Centre cannot be other than impressed. It's a great way to promote a towns heritage, history and culture.
Folk not wanting A Darwen Heritage Centre musn't want to celebrate and promote our town of Darwen.
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The former HSBC building would have been an ideal venue, with easy access, parking and the strong possibility of attracting grant funding being in the Conservation area. Unfortunately someone else wants to buy the building and must have offered more money than DTC. However, even if the building is sold to someone else, then the search for another premises can still go on.
According to English Rose 1 the Government consultation meeting. It is a pity Brian Taylor not have told us this at the meeting as it was left to the rep from the Heritage Fund to provide the information. It was at a meeting between the "Council" and the Heritage Fund in early October when the "Council were informed that a consultation meeting had to take place. I am left to wonder as to why it took so long to arrange the meeting and interested local heritage organisation were not formally invited to attend.
[quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: The comments above are misguided. The Town Council voted to buy the former HSBC (if possible) bank via a mortgage. This would not cost anything on top of the current precept, as DTC has already set money aside. The meeting had to take place as, to borrow dosh from Blackburn with Darwen Council, the Govt insists that a consultation meeting has to take place. The meeting wasn't for those who don't want a Heritage Centre, as the concept had already been decided. * There has already been 2 bids to the Heritage Lottery for a museum / heritage centre in the Library. Unfortunately these were refused, mainly because of lack of space. The Friends of Darwen Library have already discused having a Heritage Area (NOT a Heritage Centre), which involves moving some shelves and creating some wall space. This would cost nothing, but is a completely separate venture from the Heritage Centre. * Anyone visiting say the Pendle Heritage Centre cannot be other than impressed. It's a great way to promote a towns heritage, history and culture. Folk not wanting A Darwen Heritage Centre musn't want to celebrate and promote our town of Darwen. * The former HSBC building would have been an ideal venue, with easy access, parking and the strong possibility of attracting grant funding being in the Conservation area. Unfortunately someone else wants to buy the building and must have offered more money than DTC. However, even if the building is sold to someone else, then the search for another premises can still go on.[/p][/quote]According to English Rose 1 the Government consultation meeting. It is a pity Brian Taylor not have told us this at the meeting as it was left to the rep from the Heritage Fund to provide the information. It was at a meeting between the "Council" and the Heritage Fund in early October when the "Council were informed that a consultation meeting had to take place. I am left to wonder as to why it took so long to arrange the meeting and interested local heritage organisation were not formally invited to attend. Darrenman
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''The Pendle Centre is a good example of a tightly and modestly run organisation. It depends mainly on NW heritage lottery finance I believe but before they started the building was already owned and converted into the Heritage Centre. Thus no large capital commitment was required. Unlike the Darwen scheme!'' (Posted by 'Helping Darwen')

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Well why wouldn't a Darwen Heritage centre be a good example of a tightly and modestly run organisation ?? Why wouldn't a DHC attract NW Heritage Lottery Finance too ?? The figures quoted in previous posts to purchase and run the building are way off the mark.
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DTC can easily afford a mortgage on this building (with no extra costs for the taxpayer), plus the building can be sold on if the venture fails. There is very little risk indeed.
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If you are so against modest investment to enhance our heritage, history and town centre then we wouldn't have had a Library (prob costing much more than a modest Heritage Centre), Leisure Centre (c £30m repayments over 25 years), Library Theatre (£35k per year), Town Hall, Market Halls, and all the other civic buildings that go to make up a thriving, living, town.
''The Pendle Centre is a good example of a tightly and modestly run organisation. It depends mainly on NW heritage lottery finance I believe but before they started the building was already owned and converted into the Heritage Centre. Thus no large capital commitment was required. Unlike the Darwen scheme!'' (Posted by 'Helping Darwen') * Well why wouldn't a Darwen Heritage centre be a good example of a tightly and modestly run organisation ?? Why wouldn't a DHC attract NW Heritage Lottery Finance too ?? The figures quoted in previous posts to purchase and run the building are way off the mark. * DTC can easily afford a mortgage on this building (with no extra costs for the taxpayer), plus the building can be sold on if the venture fails. There is very little risk indeed. * If you are so against modest investment to enhance our heritage, history and town centre then we wouldn't have had a Library (prob costing much more than a modest Heritage Centre), Leisure Centre (c £30m repayments over 25 years), Library Theatre (£35k per year), Town Hall, Market Halls, and all the other civic buildings that go to make up a thriving, living, town. english rose 1
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