East Lancashire firefighters in New Year's Eve strike

Lancashire Telegraph: Officers will walk out between 6.30pm on New Year’s Eve and 12.30am on New Year’s Day Officers will walk out between 6.30pm on New Year’s Eve and 12.30am on New Year’s Day

FIREFIGHTERS will go on strike tonight over pension changes.

Officers will walk out between 6.30pm on New Year’s Eve and 12.30am on New Year’s Day in their long-running dispute with the government over pensions.

Fire Brigades Union General Secretary, Matt Wrack, said: “Christmas is just an ordinary working time for firefighters, and our members have been on the front line dealing with storms, floods and other emergencies every day.

“None of us wanted these strikes, but firefighters on duty over the festive period don’t have much to celebrate this year as they are being priced out of their pensions and face the sack because the government’s can’t accept that 60-year-old men and women can’t meet the same fitness standards as 20-year-olds.”

Another strike is scheduled for 6.30am and 8.30am on Friday, January 3.

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11:37am Tue 31 Dec 13

Rich Riley says...

So what, nobody cares. The fire service have inundated the telegraph news desk with bits of non stories in the last few days in an attempt to drum up public support but I'm afraid it doesn't work. Times have changed and we no longer need a full time service. As for the pension situation you can always opt out of doing the job and find employment elsewhere.
So what, nobody cares. The fire service have inundated the telegraph news desk with bits of non stories in the last few days in an attempt to drum up public support but I'm afraid it doesn't work. Times have changed and we no longer need a full time service. As for the pension situation you can always opt out of doing the job and find employment elsewhere. Rich Riley

12:15pm Tue 31 Dec 13

burner says...

Who on earth, in these times, believes that ANY industrial action will result in a pay-rise, or an improvement in pension rights or . . . . ANYTHING ??? Times is wot times is . . . FACT !!
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But, the point is, instead of us, say, having to child-mind, or do without a bus, PEOPLE'S LIVES AND PROPERTY ARE AT RISK . . . IT'S WRONG !!!
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Their Union is dreaming in the 1970s.
Who on earth, in these times, believes that ANY industrial action will result in a pay-rise, or an improvement in pension rights or . . . . ANYTHING ??? Times is wot times is . . . FACT !! . But, the point is, instead of us, say, having to child-mind, or do without a bus, PEOPLE'S LIVES AND PROPERTY ARE AT RISK . . . IT'S WRONG !!! , Their Union is dreaming in the 1970s. burner

2:01pm Tue 31 Dec 13

baldy999 says...

Rich Riley wrote:
So what, nobody cares. The fire service have inundated the telegraph news desk with bits of non stories in the last few days in an attempt to drum up public support but I'm afraid it doesn't work. Times have changed and we no longer need a full time service. As for the pension situation you can always opt out of doing the job and find employment elsewhere.
The fire service do not inundate the Telegraph with non stories, the Telegraph ring Fire stations every 3 hours for details of incidents attended to fill their paper. We no longer need a full time service? What do you know of the work of the fire service or the risks in a small town such as Accrington? You're right times have changed, so have risks. High deprivation levels, increase road use, 2 top tier COMAH sites, one of highest level of child pedestrian casualties in country. And that's just in Accrington which is losing a full time fire engine in April. By the sounds of this and many other of your previous comments about the fire service you have never needed their services, I genuinely hope you never do, but I suspect if you did then you'd want a professional, well trained, fast response, would you not?
[quote][p][bold]Rich Riley[/bold] wrote: So what, nobody cares. The fire service have inundated the telegraph news desk with bits of non stories in the last few days in an attempt to drum up public support but I'm afraid it doesn't work. Times have changed and we no longer need a full time service. As for the pension situation you can always opt out of doing the job and find employment elsewhere.[/p][/quote]The fire service do not inundate the Telegraph with non stories, the Telegraph ring Fire stations every 3 hours for details of incidents attended to fill their paper. We no longer need a full time service? What do you know of the work of the fire service or the risks in a small town such as Accrington? You're right times have changed, so have risks. High deprivation levels, increase road use, 2 top tier COMAH sites, one of highest level of child pedestrian casualties in country. And that's just in Accrington which is losing a full time fire engine in April. By the sounds of this and many other of your previous comments about the fire service you have never needed their services, I genuinely hope you never do, but I suspect if you did then you'd want a professional, well trained, fast response, would you not? baldy999

3:01pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Chuck-Norris says...

Who will notice? They'd be playing snooker or sleeping anyway !!
Who will notice? They'd be playing snooker or sleeping anyway !! Chuck-Norris

3:07pm Tue 31 Dec 13

phil kernot says...

If your trying to blackmail the public into the sympathy vote your going in the other direction , , you have a choice opt,out,and get a job that suits you sir , its public money not a secure job and pension for life , I'd love a job retire early lovely pension for life ,, we know your professionals and deserve to be paid the going rate. ,,, but how many other self employed professionals out there get. A gold plated pension ,, zero .. The good old days are gone were unions stamp there feet and get there own way ,,, bet the union men are on top money for stirring up ill feeling , bet there wages are secure though ,,,
If your trying to blackmail the public into the sympathy vote your going in the other direction , , you have a choice opt,out,and get a job that suits you sir , its public money not a secure job and pension for life , I'd love a job retire early lovely pension for life ,, we know your professionals and deserve to be paid the going rate. ,,, but how many other self employed professionals out there get. A gold plated pension ,, zero .. The good old days are gone were unions stamp there feet and get there own way ,,, bet the union men are on top money for stirring up ill feeling , bet there wages are secure though ,,, phil kernot

3:59pm Tue 31 Dec 13

baldy999 says...

phil kernot wrote:
If your trying to blackmail the public into the sympathy vote your going in the other direction , , you have a choice opt,out,and get a job that suits you sir , its public money not a secure job and pension for life , I'd love a job retire early lovely pension for life ,, we know your professionals and deserve to be paid the going rate. ,,, but how many other self employed professionals out there get. A gold plated pension ,, zero .. The good old days are gone were unions stamp there feet and get there own way ,,, bet the union men are on top money for stirring up ill feeling , bet there wages are secure though ,,,
Respect your opinion but I fear the media spin about the'gold plated pension' may cloud your judgement. Firefighters pay amongst the highest contribution rates at over 12% to retire early when the physical aspects to the job are too demanding. That's over £300 per month! The government want us to pay even more For longer, to get less at the end. Then there's the threat of the sack for not reaching retirement age because of fitness, not everyone ages well and will be able to meet the fitness standard required when you join at 20 as it's being suggested. I worked for many years in varying industries whilst trying to become a firefighter, I worked hard to get in and continue to do so to make sure that, along with my colleagues, we are a well oiled machine at an incident.
[quote][p][bold]phil kernot[/bold] wrote: If your trying to blackmail the public into the sympathy vote your going in the other direction , , you have a choice opt,out,and get a job that suits you sir , its public money not a secure job and pension for life , I'd love a job retire early lovely pension for life ,, we know your professionals and deserve to be paid the going rate. ,,, but how many other self employed professionals out there get. A gold plated pension ,, zero .. The good old days are gone were unions stamp there feet and get there own way ,,, bet the union men are on top money for stirring up ill feeling , bet there wages are secure though ,,,[/p][/quote]Respect your opinion but I fear the media spin about the'gold plated pension' may cloud your judgement. Firefighters pay amongst the highest contribution rates at over 12% to retire early when the physical aspects to the job are too demanding. That's over £300 per month! The government want us to pay even more For longer, to get less at the end. Then there's the threat of the sack for not reaching retirement age because of fitness, not everyone ages well and will be able to meet the fitness standard required when you join at 20 as it's being suggested. I worked for many years in varying industries whilst trying to become a firefighter, I worked hard to get in and continue to do so to make sure that, along with my colleagues, we are a well oiled machine at an incident. baldy999

4:20pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Rich Riley says...

baldy999 wrote:
Rich Riley wrote:
So what, nobody cares. The fire service have inundated the telegraph news desk with bits of non stories in the last few days in an attempt to drum up public support but I'm afraid it doesn't work. Times have changed and we no longer need a full time service. As for the pension situation you can always opt out of doing the job and find employment elsewhere.
The fire service do not inundate the Telegraph with non stories, the Telegraph ring Fire stations every 3 hours for details of incidents attended to fill their paper. We no longer need a full time service? What do you know of the work of the fire service or the risks in a small town such as Accrington? You're right times have changed, so have risks. High deprivation levels, increase road use, 2 top tier COMAH sites, one of highest level of child pedestrian casualties in country. And that's just in Accrington which is losing a full time fire engine in April. By the sounds of this and many other of your previous comments about the fire service you have never needed their services, I genuinely hope you never do, but I suspect if you did then you'd want a professional, well trained, fast response, would you not?
Of course I would but I don't expect the professional, well trained, fast response fire service to sit around all day waiting for me to ring them. According to figures the child pedestrian casualties on Lancashire roads has been on the decline since the early 1990s. I have posted actual figures of the incidents reported and attended by the fire service in the last 20 to 25 years and those numbers too are on the decrease but yet personnel is more or less the same, how can that be? In which other industry, business, or service can that be sustainable?
[quote][p][bold]baldy999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rich Riley[/bold] wrote: So what, nobody cares. The fire service have inundated the telegraph news desk with bits of non stories in the last few days in an attempt to drum up public support but I'm afraid it doesn't work. Times have changed and we no longer need a full time service. As for the pension situation you can always opt out of doing the job and find employment elsewhere.[/p][/quote]The fire service do not inundate the Telegraph with non stories, the Telegraph ring Fire stations every 3 hours for details of incidents attended to fill their paper. We no longer need a full time service? What do you know of the work of the fire service or the risks in a small town such as Accrington? You're right times have changed, so have risks. High deprivation levels, increase road use, 2 top tier COMAH sites, one of highest level of child pedestrian casualties in country. And that's just in Accrington which is losing a full time fire engine in April. By the sounds of this and many other of your previous comments about the fire service you have never needed their services, I genuinely hope you never do, but I suspect if you did then you'd want a professional, well trained, fast response, would you not?[/p][/quote]Of course I would but I don't expect the professional, well trained, fast response fire service to sit around all day waiting for me to ring them. According to figures the child pedestrian casualties on Lancashire roads has been on the decline since the early 1990s. I have posted actual figures of the incidents reported and attended by the fire service in the last 20 to 25 years and those numbers too are on the decrease but yet personnel is more or less the same, how can that be? In which other industry, business, or service can that be sustainable? Rich Riley

4:54pm Tue 31 Dec 13

baldy999 says...

Rich Riley wrote:
baldy999 wrote:
Rich Riley wrote:
So what, nobody cares. The fire service have inundated the telegraph news desk with bits of non stories in the last few days in an attempt to drum up public support but I'm afraid it doesn't work. Times have changed and we no longer need a full time service. As for the pension situation you can always opt out of doing the job and find employment elsewhere.
The fire service do not inundate the Telegraph with non stories, the Telegraph ring Fire stations every 3 hours for details of incidents attended to fill their paper. We no longer need a full time service? What do you know of the work of the fire service or the risks in a small town such as Accrington? You're right times have changed, so have risks. High deprivation levels, increase road use, 2 top tier COMAH sites, one of highest level of child pedestrian casualties in country. And that's just in Accrington which is losing a full time fire engine in April. By the sounds of this and many other of your previous comments about the fire service you have never needed their services, I genuinely hope you never do, but I suspect if you did then you'd want a professional, well trained, fast response, would you not?
Of course I would but I don't expect the professional, well trained, fast response fire service to sit around all day waiting for me to ring them. According to figures the child pedestrian casualties on Lancashire roads has been on the decline since the early 1990s. I have posted actual figures of the incidents reported and attended by the fire service in the last 20 to 25 years and those numbers too are on the decrease but yet personnel is more or less the same, how can that be? In which other industry, business, or service can that be sustainable?
Sit around all day? Seriously? What would you have us do while we wait anxiously for your call? Domestic Fire safety, theoretical and practical training for the variety of incidents we attend, high risk site visits, child Road and fire safety, clean and maintain equipment, hydrant and water inspections. No thanks, if it's all the same with you I'd rather Sit around all day. You may get your wish, managers havea similar mindset of treating an emergency service as a business and a fire engine and crew are going from Accrington and Padiham. Trouble is you'll see no difference in the money you pay in tax but you may well feel the difference if you need them. Yes money is tight, we need to save but taking away our emergency response is flawed and we'll never get it back.
[quote][p][bold]Rich Riley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baldy999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rich Riley[/bold] wrote: So what, nobody cares. The fire service have inundated the telegraph news desk with bits of non stories in the last few days in an attempt to drum up public support but I'm afraid it doesn't work. Times have changed and we no longer need a full time service. As for the pension situation you can always opt out of doing the job and find employment elsewhere.[/p][/quote]The fire service do not inundate the Telegraph with non stories, the Telegraph ring Fire stations every 3 hours for details of incidents attended to fill their paper. We no longer need a full time service? What do you know of the work of the fire service or the risks in a small town such as Accrington? You're right times have changed, so have risks. High deprivation levels, increase road use, 2 top tier COMAH sites, one of highest level of child pedestrian casualties in country. And that's just in Accrington which is losing a full time fire engine in April. By the sounds of this and many other of your previous comments about the fire service you have never needed their services, I genuinely hope you never do, but I suspect if you did then you'd want a professional, well trained, fast response, would you not?[/p][/quote]Of course I would but I don't expect the professional, well trained, fast response fire service to sit around all day waiting for me to ring them. According to figures the child pedestrian casualties on Lancashire roads has been on the decline since the early 1990s. I have posted actual figures of the incidents reported and attended by the fire service in the last 20 to 25 years and those numbers too are on the decrease but yet personnel is more or less the same, how can that be? In which other industry, business, or service can that be sustainable?[/p][/quote]Sit around all day? Seriously? What would you have us do while we wait anxiously for your call? Domestic Fire safety, theoretical and practical training for the variety of incidents we attend, high risk site visits, child Road and fire safety, clean and maintain equipment, hydrant and water inspections. No thanks, if it's all the same with you I'd rather Sit around all day. You may get your wish, managers havea similar mindset of treating an emergency service as a business and a fire engine and crew are going from Accrington and Padiham. Trouble is you'll see no difference in the money you pay in tax but you may well feel the difference if you need them. Yes money is tight, we need to save but taking away our emergency response is flawed and we'll never get it back. baldy999

6:12pm Tue 31 Dec 13

3 for 10p says...

What's the difference between the long term unemployed and a lazy bone idle piece of scum fireman. ?
The fireman ( lazy bone idle piece of scum ) cost us tax payers much more money.
What's the difference between the long term unemployed and a lazy bone idle piece of scum fireman. ? The fireman ( lazy bone idle piece of scum ) cost us tax payers much more money. 3 for 10p

1:18am Wed 1 Jan 14

Rich Riley says...

baldy999 wrote:
Rich Riley wrote:
baldy999 wrote:
Rich Riley wrote: So what, nobody cares. The fire service have inundated the telegraph news desk with bits of non stories in the last few days in an attempt to drum up public support but I'm afraid it doesn't work. Times have changed and we no longer need a full time service. As for the pension situation you can always opt out of doing the job and find employment elsewhere.
The fire service do not inundate the Telegraph with non stories, the Telegraph ring Fire stations every 3 hours for details of incidents attended to fill their paper. We no longer need a full time service? What do you know of the work of the fire service or the risks in a small town such as Accrington? You're right times have changed, so have risks. High deprivation levels, increase road use, 2 top tier COMAH sites, one of highest level of child pedestrian casualties in country. And that's just in Accrington which is losing a full time fire engine in April. By the sounds of this and many other of your previous comments about the fire service you have never needed their services, I genuinely hope you never do, but I suspect if you did then you'd want a professional, well trained, fast response, would you not?
Of course I would but I don't expect the professional, well trained, fast response fire service to sit around all day waiting for me to ring them. According to figures the child pedestrian casualties on Lancashire roads has been on the decline since the early 1990s. I have posted actual figures of the incidents reported and attended by the fire service in the last 20 to 25 years and those numbers too are on the decrease but yet personnel is more or less the same, how can that be? In which other industry, business, or service can that be sustainable?
Sit around all day? Seriously? What would you have us do while we wait anxiously for your call? Domestic Fire safety, theoretical and practical training for the variety of incidents we attend, high risk site visits, child Road and fire safety, clean and maintain equipment, hydrant and water inspections. No thanks, if it's all the same with you I'd rather Sit around all day. You may get your wish, managers havea similar mindset of treating an emergency service as a business and a fire engine and crew are going from Accrington and Padiham. Trouble is you'll see no difference in the money you pay in tax but you may well feel the difference if you need them. Yes money is tight, we need to save but taking away our emergency response is flawed and we'll never get it back.
Any comments on the facts and statistics?
[quote][p][bold]baldy999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rich Riley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baldy999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rich Riley[/bold] wrote: So what, nobody cares. The fire service have inundated the telegraph news desk with bits of non stories in the last few days in an attempt to drum up public support but I'm afraid it doesn't work. Times have changed and we no longer need a full time service. As for the pension situation you can always opt out of doing the job and find employment elsewhere.[/p][/quote]The fire service do not inundate the Telegraph with non stories, the Telegraph ring Fire stations every 3 hours for details of incidents attended to fill their paper. We no longer need a full time service? What do you know of the work of the fire service or the risks in a small town such as Accrington? You're right times have changed, so have risks. High deprivation levels, increase road use, 2 top tier COMAH sites, one of highest level of child pedestrian casualties in country. And that's just in Accrington which is losing a full time fire engine in April. By the sounds of this and many other of your previous comments about the fire service you have never needed their services, I genuinely hope you never do, but I suspect if you did then you'd want a professional, well trained, fast response, would you not?[/p][/quote]Of course I would but I don't expect the professional, well trained, fast response fire service to sit around all day waiting for me to ring them. According to figures the child pedestrian casualties on Lancashire roads has been on the decline since the early 1990s. I have posted actual figures of the incidents reported and attended by the fire service in the last 20 to 25 years and those numbers too are on the decrease but yet personnel is more or less the same, how can that be? In which other industry, business, or service can that be sustainable?[/p][/quote]Sit around all day? Seriously? What would you have us do while we wait anxiously for your call? Domestic Fire safety, theoretical and practical training for the variety of incidents we attend, high risk site visits, child Road and fire safety, clean and maintain equipment, hydrant and water inspections. No thanks, if it's all the same with you I'd rather Sit around all day. You may get your wish, managers havea similar mindset of treating an emergency service as a business and a fire engine and crew are going from Accrington and Padiham. Trouble is you'll see no difference in the money you pay in tax but you may well feel the difference if you need them. Yes money is tight, we need to save but taking away our emergency response is flawed and we'll never get it back.[/p][/quote]Any comments on the facts and statistics? Rich Riley

11:49am Thu 2 Jan 14

baldy999 says...

Rich Riley wrote:
baldy999 wrote:
Rich Riley wrote:
baldy999 wrote:
Rich Riley wrote: So what, nobody cares. The fire service have inundated the telegraph news desk with bits of non stories in the last few days in an attempt to drum up public support but I'm afraid it doesn't work. Times have changed and we no longer need a full time service. As for the pension situation you can always opt out of doing the job and find employment elsewhere.
The fire service do not inundate the Telegraph with non stories, the Telegraph ring Fire stations every 3 hours for details of incidents attended to fill their paper. We no longer need a full time service? What do you know of the work of the fire service or the risks in a small town such as Accrington? You're right times have changed, so have risks. High deprivation levels, increase road use, 2 top tier COMAH sites, one of highest level of child pedestrian casualties in country. And that's just in Accrington which is losing a full time fire engine in April. By the sounds of this and many other of your previous comments about the fire service you have never needed their services, I genuinely hope you never do, but I suspect if you did then you'd want a professional, well trained, fast response, would you not?
Of course I would but I don't expect the professional, well trained, fast response fire service to sit around all day waiting for me to ring them. According to figures the child pedestrian casualties on Lancashire roads has been on the decline since the early 1990s. I have posted actual figures of the incidents reported and attended by the fire service in the last 20 to 25 years and those numbers too are on the decrease but yet personnel is more or less the same, how can that be? In which other industry, business, or service can that be sustainable?
Sit around all day? Seriously? What would you have us do while we wait anxiously for your call? Domestic Fire safety, theoretical and practical training for the variety of incidents we attend, high risk site visits, child Road and fire safety, clean and maintain equipment, hydrant and water inspections. No thanks, if it's all the same with you I'd rather Sit around all day. You may get your wish, managers havea similar mindset of treating an emergency service as a business and a fire engine and crew are going from Accrington and Padiham. Trouble is you'll see no difference in the money you pay in tax but you may well feel the difference if you need them. Yes money is tight, we need to save but taking away our emergency response is flawed and we'll never get it back.
Any comments on the facts and statistics?
'Rich riley' incidents are down in numbers and you can quote national statistics all you want but if you're a local resident then i can assure you that crewing levels and number of fire engines available are at an all time low in Lancashire. Every three years, managers with all the information on incidents and risk are tasked with making sure emergency cover is at the appropriate level so rest assured if the levels get low enough Fire engines will go as they are in Accrington and Padiham in April. I think your constant targeting of reduction of fire cover is misplaced and could be aimed at somewhere more needy, say politicians taking an 11% rise. Just saying!
[quote][p][bold]Rich Riley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baldy999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rich Riley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baldy999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rich Riley[/bold] wrote: So what, nobody cares. The fire service have inundated the telegraph news desk with bits of non stories in the last few days in an attempt to drum up public support but I'm afraid it doesn't work. Times have changed and we no longer need a full time service. As for the pension situation you can always opt out of doing the job and find employment elsewhere.[/p][/quote]The fire service do not inundate the Telegraph with non stories, the Telegraph ring Fire stations every 3 hours for details of incidents attended to fill their paper. We no longer need a full time service? What do you know of the work of the fire service or the risks in a small town such as Accrington? You're right times have changed, so have risks. High deprivation levels, increase road use, 2 top tier COMAH sites, one of highest level of child pedestrian casualties in country. And that's just in Accrington which is losing a full time fire engine in April. By the sounds of this and many other of your previous comments about the fire service you have never needed their services, I genuinely hope you never do, but I suspect if you did then you'd want a professional, well trained, fast response, would you not?[/p][/quote]Of course I would but I don't expect the professional, well trained, fast response fire service to sit around all day waiting for me to ring them. According to figures the child pedestrian casualties on Lancashire roads has been on the decline since the early 1990s. I have posted actual figures of the incidents reported and attended by the fire service in the last 20 to 25 years and those numbers too are on the decrease but yet personnel is more or less the same, how can that be? In which other industry, business, or service can that be sustainable?[/p][/quote]Sit around all day? Seriously? What would you have us do while we wait anxiously for your call? Domestic Fire safety, theoretical and practical training for the variety of incidents we attend, high risk site visits, child Road and fire safety, clean and maintain equipment, hydrant and water inspections. No thanks, if it's all the same with you I'd rather Sit around all day. You may get your wish, managers havea similar mindset of treating an emergency service as a business and a fire engine and crew are going from Accrington and Padiham. Trouble is you'll see no difference in the money you pay in tax but you may well feel the difference if you need them. Yes money is tight, we need to save but taking away our emergency response is flawed and we'll never get it back.[/p][/quote]Any comments on the facts and statistics?[/p][/quote]'Rich riley' incidents are down in numbers and you can quote national statistics all you want but if you're a local resident then i can assure you that crewing levels and number of fire engines available are at an all time low in Lancashire. Every three years, managers with all the information on incidents and risk are tasked with making sure emergency cover is at the appropriate level so rest assured if the levels get low enough Fire engines will go as they are in Accrington and Padiham in April. I think your constant targeting of reduction of fire cover is misplaced and could be aimed at somewhere more needy, say politicians taking an 11% rise. Just saying! baldy999

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