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Blackburn with Darwen councillors in row over expenses cap

COUNCILLORS will face new caps on expenses and allowances if Blackburn with Darwen borough Labour leader Kate Hollern gets her way.

Her plan to stop elected representatives claiming more than one responsibility allowance, saving the borough around £20,000 a year, provoked a political row.

Tory deputy leader Alan Cottam, who receives more than £3,000, has accused her of ‘double standards’ as her second in commands will still both get an extra £4,900 for holding two jobs.

Coun Hollern will propose the change to the council annual meeting tonight along with a cap of £25 a month for mobile phone bills paid by the town hall.

She wants a new remuneration panel to approve a code banning multiple claims for responsibility allowances.

This means Coun Cottam and fellow Tory Fernhurst councillor John Slater, who both get three allowances, will lose out £1,500 and £1,000 respectively.

Labour’s deputy leaders Andy Kay and Mohammed Khan, who get a single higher allowance for being Coun Hollern’s stand-ins and executive board members of £11,019.60 a year instead of the normal executive board annual sum of £6,134.40, will be unaffected by the change.

Coun Cottam said: “This is double standards. It hits opposition councillors, who have to do more than one job, but not Andy Kay or Mohammed Khan.

“We should be paid for the work we do. I shall demand the Labour deputy leaders lose their extra cash as well.”

Labour will have four councillors affected, including Roe Lee’s Phil Riley who will lose £500 a year. The Labour group chairman said: “Mohammed and Andy get a single allowance which would be hard to split as their executive board and deputies’ duties go together.”

Coun Hollern was unavailable for comment yesterday but she previously said: “We need to send out a message that we look at every cost in these tough times.”

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4:20pm Thu 9 May 13

jibbsarefynny says...

you've got to remember these people go into it for the money so maybe they don't have a job to fall back upon
you've got to remember these people go into it for the money so maybe they don't have a job to fall back upon jibbsarefynny
  • Score: 1

4:44pm Thu 9 May 13

chris283 says...

about time these Councillors stop getting all the freebies there is people starving in this country about time
about time these Councillors stop getting all the freebies there is people starving in this country about time chris283
  • Score: 6

4:44pm Thu 9 May 13

chris283 says...

about time these Councillors stop getting all the freebies there is people starving in this country about time
about time these Councillors stop getting all the freebies there is people starving in this country about time chris283
  • Score: 5

4:58pm Thu 9 May 13

Excluded again says...

Interesting how the Tories say 'we are all in this together' until someone suggest cutting their expenses. Austerity is for others, not them.

Labour have come up with a proposal which means that some Councillors from all parties will lose money in order to save the Council money. If every Council budget is being cut, why not save some money on Councillors' expenses?
Interesting how the Tories say 'we are all in this together' until someone suggest cutting their expenses. Austerity is for others, not them. Labour have come up with a proposal which means that some Councillors from all parties will lose money in order to save the Council money. If every Council budget is being cut, why not save some money on Councillors' expenses? Excluded again
  • Score: 5

5:35pm Thu 9 May 13

A Darener says...

Being a town councillor today pays almost as well as a full time job. My uncle was on Blackburn council many years ago in the sixties but never took a penny in expenses. He did it, like many others at the time, because he was public spirited, not for what he could made. Too many of today's councillors don't see it as a service but as a way of supplementing their income.
The changes in expenses allowances was brought in to allow those on lower incomes to stand as councillors, to remove the elitist tag. But unfortunately the idea has backfired and the job is now considered a good way of promoting oneself whilst at the same time making a buck or two.
Being a town councillor today pays almost as well as a full time job. My uncle was on Blackburn council many years ago in the sixties but never took a penny in expenses. He did it, like many others at the time, because he was public spirited, not for what he could made. Too many of today's councillors don't see it as a service but as a way of supplementing their income. The changes in expenses allowances was brought in to allow those on lower incomes to stand as councillors, to remove the elitist tag. But unfortunately the idea has backfired and the job is now considered a good way of promoting oneself whilst at the same time making a buck or two. A Darener
  • Score: 7

5:43pm Thu 9 May 13

Excluded again says...

If, as reported above, most Councillors are received £3-4k a year then they would be better off getting a bar job if they wanted to supplement their income.
If, as reported above, most Councillors are received £3-4k a year then they would be better off getting a bar job if they wanted to supplement their income. Excluded again
  • Score: 1

5:44pm Thu 9 May 13

A Darener says...

Excluded again wrote:
If, as reported above, most Councillors are received £3-4k a year then they would be better off getting a bar job if they wanted to supplement their income.
No they would have to work for the money.
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: If, as reported above, most Councillors are received £3-4k a year then they would be better off getting a bar job if they wanted to supplement their income.[/p][/quote]No they would have to work for the money. A Darener
  • Score: 7

5:59pm Thu 9 May 13

district01 says...

Whenever I speak to people and politics shows it’s ugly face there is always the same question: Well, who else is there to vote for?

That is the main problem these days. There are now only two parties and not much to choose between the two. One wealthy and the other with no money at all. Well, that’s the vision they want people to have anyway. That’s why successful councillors have chosen safe areas that have always voted that way. They will then be successful regardless of talent. Some are even placed there from far away. It’s called taking advantage of political snobbery!

I’ve always voted that way so how can I vote for somebody else?

Is it any wonder the majority of people don’t vote any more!
Whenever I speak to people and politics shows it’s ugly face there is always the same question: Well, who else is there to vote for? That is the main problem these days. There are now only two parties and not much to choose between the two. One wealthy and the other with no money at all. Well, that’s the vision they want people to have anyway. That’s why successful councillors have chosen safe areas that have always voted that way. They will then be successful regardless of talent. Some are even placed there from far away. It’s called taking advantage of political snobbery! I’ve always voted that way so how can I vote for somebody else? Is it any wonder the majority of people don’t vote any more! district01
  • Score: 5

6:02pm Thu 9 May 13

Noiticer says...

The problem is that some councillors see being a councillor as the source of a full time equivalent income when they should only be able to claim for travel, subsistence, loss of earnings and other incidentals.They did, after all, volunteer to stand for their party in the local elections.
The problem is that some councillors see being a councillor as the source of a full time equivalent income when they should only be able to claim for travel, subsistence, loss of earnings and other incidentals.They did, after all, volunteer to stand for their party in the local elections. Noiticer
  • Score: 4

6:05pm Thu 9 May 13

Stop Backenders says...

A Darener wrote:
Being a town councillor today pays almost as well as a full time job. My uncle was on Blackburn council many years ago in the sixties but never took a penny in expenses. He did it, like many others at the time, because he was public spirited, not for what he could made. Too many of today's councillors don't see it as a service but as a way of supplementing their income.
The changes in expenses allowances was brought in to allow those on lower incomes to stand as councillors, to remove the elitist tag. But unfortunately the idea has backfired and the job is now considered a good way of promoting oneself whilst at the same time making a buck or two.
Too many of today's councilors don't see it as a service but as a way of supplementing their income

Could not have said it better myself.

“One big cesspit”, just like the bigger,” cesspit”, that we have with MPs and there,” disgusting expenses”, with huge Interest payments, poll tax, TV Licence and electric bills on second homes paid in full and that’s without the other immoral expenses they claim.
These out of touch,” Social --------benefits Expenses”, add up to another huge income by the back door that the ordinary working person would never earn in two years if not more.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Being a town councillor today pays almost as well as a full time job. My uncle was on Blackburn council many years ago in the sixties but never took a penny in expenses. He did it, like many others at the time, because he was public spirited, not for what he could made. Too many of today's councillors don't see it as a service but as a way of supplementing their income. The changes in expenses allowances was brought in to allow those on lower incomes to stand as councillors, to remove the elitist tag. But unfortunately the idea has backfired and the job is now considered a good way of promoting oneself whilst at the same time making a buck or two.[/p][/quote]Too many of today's councilors don't see it as a service but as a way of supplementing their income Could not have said it better myself. “One big cesspit”, just like the bigger,” cesspit”, that we have with MPs and there,” disgusting expenses”, with huge Interest payments, poll tax, TV Licence and electric bills on second homes paid in full and that’s without the other immoral expenses they claim. These out of touch,” Social --------benefits Expenses”, add up to another huge income by the back door that the ordinary working person would never earn in two years if not more. Stop Backenders
  • Score: 12

6:09pm Thu 9 May 13

Stop Backenders says...

Excluded again wrote:
If, as reported above, most Councillors are received £3-4k a year then they would be better off getting a bar job if they wanted to supplement their income.
Check the local councils website for expenses its weigh more then these figures.
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: If, as reported above, most Councillors are received £3-4k a year then they would be better off getting a bar job if they wanted to supplement their income.[/p][/quote]Check the local councils website for expenses its weigh more then these figures. Stop Backenders
  • Score: 8

6:22pm Thu 9 May 13

mavrick says...

How could you be tempted to stand as a councillor? People call them and with some justification. So is it time we had full time paid councillors but less of them. or do we need them at all? Simply slagging people off achieves nothing. There needs to be a debate on the future of councillors.
How could you be tempted to stand as a councillor? People call them and with some justification. So is it time we had full time paid councillors but less of them. or do we need them at all? Simply slagging people off achieves nothing. There needs to be a debate on the future of councillors. mavrick
  • Score: 2

6:38pm Thu 9 May 13

Stop Backenders says...

mavrick wrote:
How could you be tempted to stand as a councillor? People call them and with some justification. So is it time we had full time paid councillors but less of them. or do we need them at all? Simply slagging people off achieves nothing. There needs to be a debate on the future of councillors.
Get rid of all these money grabbing partimers and have full time councillors on the minnium wage not a penny more, "working 40 hours per week" with no perks just like a normal job in the real world.
[quote][p][bold]mavrick[/bold] wrote: How could you be tempted to stand as a councillor? People call them and with some justification. So is it time we had full time paid councillors but less of them. or do we need them at all? Simply slagging people off achieves nothing. There needs to be a debate on the future of councillors.[/p][/quote]Get rid of all these money grabbing partimers and have full time councillors on the minnium wage not a penny more, "working 40 hours per week" with no perks just like a normal job in the real world. Stop Backenders
  • Score: 10

6:47pm Thu 9 May 13

hasslem hasslem says...

A Darener wrote:
Being a town councillor today pays almost as well as a full time job. My uncle was on Blackburn council many years ago in the sixties but never took a penny in expenses. He did it, like many others at the time, because he was public spirited, not for what he could made. Too many of today's councillors don't see it as a service but as a way of supplementing their income.
The changes in expenses allowances was brought in to allow those on lower incomes to stand as councillors, to remove the elitist tag. But unfortunately the idea has backfired and the job is now considered a good way of promoting oneself whilst at the same time making a buck or two.
darrener - you have no idea what you are talking about on this one - if you can exist on purely the expenses that councillors receive then you are a better person than me.

there is no full time job that pays anything like the low rate.

you are simply wrong - heaven forfend i invariably disagree with "excluded" but he is bang on on this one
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Being a town councillor today pays almost as well as a full time job. My uncle was on Blackburn council many years ago in the sixties but never took a penny in expenses. He did it, like many others at the time, because he was public spirited, not for what he could made. Too many of today's councillors don't see it as a service but as a way of supplementing their income. The changes in expenses allowances was brought in to allow those on lower incomes to stand as councillors, to remove the elitist tag. But unfortunately the idea has backfired and the job is now considered a good way of promoting oneself whilst at the same time making a buck or two.[/p][/quote]darrener - you have no idea what you are talking about on this one - if you can exist on purely the expenses that councillors receive then you are a better person than me. there is no full time job that pays anything like the low rate. you are simply wrong - heaven forfend i invariably disagree with "excluded" but he is bang on on this one hasslem hasslem
  • Score: -9

7:31pm Thu 9 May 13

Stop Backenders says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
A Darener wrote:
Being a town councillor today pays almost as well as a full time job. My uncle was on Blackburn council many years ago in the sixties but never took a penny in expenses. He did it, like many others at the time, because he was public spirited, not for what he could made. Too many of today's councillors don't see it as a service but as a way of supplementing their income.
The changes in expenses allowances was brought in to allow those on lower incomes to stand as councillors, to remove the elitist tag. But unfortunately the idea has backfired and the job is now considered a good way of promoting oneself whilst at the same time making a buck or two.
darrener - you have no idea what you are talking about on this one - if you can exist on purely the expenses that councillors receive then you are a better person than me.

there is no full time job that pays anything like the low rate.

you are simply wrong - heaven forfend i invariably disagree with "excluded" but he is bang on on this one
“Get your facts right”

This is the minimum wage £2.65 x 40, what can that buy you “Slave labour”

If you can exist on purely the expenses that councilors receive then you are a better person than me.

There are thousands of people working harder and,” better then you”, working much longer hours and having to survive of for less then what you would get working part-time without expenses.

People are working 40 hours per week on £2.65 hour they are not apprentice jobs by the way but cheap labour by the back door brought in by the government to help the wealthy employees get rich that any person could do with common sense.

However, councillors never seem to bring this up or argue about the new meaning of the minimum wage for these workers brought in by the back door.

This works out for less then what you greedy town councilors can earn only working part-time and for fewer hours. Count your lucky stars you greedy person get in the real word.
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Being a town councillor today pays almost as well as a full time job. My uncle was on Blackburn council many years ago in the sixties but never took a penny in expenses. He did it, like many others at the time, because he was public spirited, not for what he could made. Too many of today's councillors don't see it as a service but as a way of supplementing their income. The changes in expenses allowances was brought in to allow those on lower incomes to stand as councillors, to remove the elitist tag. But unfortunately the idea has backfired and the job is now considered a good way of promoting oneself whilst at the same time making a buck or two.[/p][/quote]darrener - you have no idea what you are talking about on this one - if you can exist on purely the expenses that councillors receive then you are a better person than me. there is no full time job that pays anything like the low rate. you are simply wrong - heaven forfend i invariably disagree with "excluded" but he is bang on on this one[/p][/quote]“Get your facts right” This is the minimum wage £2.65 x 40, what can that buy you “Slave labour” If you can exist on purely the expenses that councilors receive then you are a better person than me. There are thousands of people working harder and,” better then you”, working much longer hours and having to survive of for less then what you would get working part-time without expenses. People are working 40 hours per week on £2.65 hour they are not apprentice jobs by the way but cheap labour by the back door brought in by the government to help the wealthy employees get rich that any person could do with common sense. However, councillors never seem to bring this up or argue about the new meaning of the minimum wage for these workers brought in by the back door. This works out for less then what you greedy town councilors can earn only working part-time and for fewer hours. Count your lucky stars you greedy person get in the real word. Stop Backenders
  • Score: 10

7:37pm Thu 9 May 13

rggraham1947 says...

A Darener wrote:
Being a town councillor today pays almost as well as a full time job. My uncle was on Blackburn council many years ago in the sixties but never took a penny in expenses. He did it, like many others at the time, because he was public spirited, not for what he could made. Too many of today's councillors don't see it as a service but as a way of supplementing their income. The changes in expenses allowances was brought in to allow those on lower incomes to stand as councillors, to remove the elitist tag. But unfortunately the idea has backfired and the job is now considered a good way of promoting oneself whilst at the same time making a buck or two.
When I saw the headline I thought it was "too good to be true"1
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Being a town councillor today pays almost as well as a full time job. My uncle was on Blackburn council many years ago in the sixties but never took a penny in expenses. He did it, like many others at the time, because he was public spirited, not for what he could made. Too many of today's councillors don't see it as a service but as a way of supplementing their income. The changes in expenses allowances was brought in to allow those on lower incomes to stand as councillors, to remove the elitist tag. But unfortunately the idea has backfired and the job is now considered a good way of promoting oneself whilst at the same time making a buck or two.[/p][/quote]When I saw the headline I thought it was "too good to be true"1 rggraham1947
  • Score: 4

7:53pm Thu 9 May 13

A Darener says...

When I stood for the local council in the early 70's I was doing it because I cared about the local community. I worked full time, being paid to do a job. But I was also prepared to put something back into the community and help out where I could. I didn't expect to be paid to do that, I expected to be rewarded by getting the satisfaction of helping my town. As it turned out the electorate picked somebody else so I didn't get the chance to find out if I could have made a difference. But at least I tried. Maybe some of the critics on here would be prepared to stand for election as I did and see if they could give to the community without just taking.
When I stood for the local council in the early 70's I was doing it because I cared about the local community. I worked full time, being paid to do a job. But I was also prepared to put something back into the community and help out where I could. I didn't expect to be paid to do that, I expected to be rewarded by getting the satisfaction of helping my town. As it turned out the electorate picked somebody else so I didn't get the chance to find out if I could have made a difference. But at least I tried. Maybe some of the critics on here would be prepared to stand for election as I did and see if they could give to the community without just taking. A Darener
  • Score: 3

9:26pm Thu 9 May 13

hasslem hasslem says...

Stop Backenders wrote:
hasslem hasslem wrote:
A Darener wrote:
Being a town councillor today pays almost as well as a full time job. My uncle was on Blackburn council many years ago in the sixties but never took a penny in expenses. He did it, like many others at the time, because he was public spirited, not for what he could made. Too many of today's councillors don't see it as a service but as a way of supplementing their income.
The changes in expenses allowances was brought in to allow those on lower incomes to stand as councillors, to remove the elitist tag. But unfortunately the idea has backfired and the job is now considered a good way of promoting oneself whilst at the same time making a buck or two.
darrener - you have no idea what you are talking about on this one - if you can exist on purely the expenses that councillors receive then you are a better person than me.

there is no full time job that pays anything like the low rate.

you are simply wrong - heaven forfend i invariably disagree with "excluded" but he is bang on on this one
“Get your facts right”

This is the minimum wage £2.65 x 40, what can that buy you “Slave labour”

If you can exist on purely the expenses that councilors receive then you are a better person than me.

There are thousands of people working harder and,” better then you”, working much longer hours and having to survive of for less then what you would get working part-time without expenses.

People are working 40 hours per week on £2.65 hour they are not apprentice jobs by the way but cheap labour by the back door brought in by the government to help the wealthy employees get rich that any person could do with common sense.

However, councillors never seem to bring this up or argue about the new meaning of the minimum wage for these workers brought in by the back door.

This works out for less then what you greedy town councilors can earn only working part-time and for fewer hours. Count your lucky stars you greedy person get in the real word.
silly comparison - 40hrs @ £2.65 ph = £5.5k tax free for 16-19yr olds - no doubt still living at home. not saying its a lot - but is more than virtually all councillors who tend to be older and have more siginficant outgoings like looking after their family, possibly running a car, perhaps a mortgage or rent to pay for.

if you are an apprentice living on £2.65 then it is, no doubt a bit tough...but most councillors get it tough too.
[quote][p][bold]Stop Backenders[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Being a town councillor today pays almost as well as a full time job. My uncle was on Blackburn council many years ago in the sixties but never took a penny in expenses. He did it, like many others at the time, because he was public spirited, not for what he could made. Too many of today's councillors don't see it as a service but as a way of supplementing their income. The changes in expenses allowances was brought in to allow those on lower incomes to stand as councillors, to remove the elitist tag. But unfortunately the idea has backfired and the job is now considered a good way of promoting oneself whilst at the same time making a buck or two.[/p][/quote]darrener - you have no idea what you are talking about on this one - if you can exist on purely the expenses that councillors receive then you are a better person than me. there is no full time job that pays anything like the low rate. you are simply wrong - heaven forfend i invariably disagree with "excluded" but he is bang on on this one[/p][/quote]“Get your facts right” This is the minimum wage £2.65 x 40, what can that buy you “Slave labour” If you can exist on purely the expenses that councilors receive then you are a better person than me. There are thousands of people working harder and,” better then you”, working much longer hours and having to survive of for less then what you would get working part-time without expenses. People are working 40 hours per week on £2.65 hour they are not apprentice jobs by the way but cheap labour by the back door brought in by the government to help the wealthy employees get rich that any person could do with common sense. However, councillors never seem to bring this up or argue about the new meaning of the minimum wage for these workers brought in by the back door. This works out for less then what you greedy town councilors can earn only working part-time and for fewer hours. Count your lucky stars you greedy person get in the real word.[/p][/quote]silly comparison - 40hrs @ £2.65 ph = £5.5k tax free for 16-19yr olds - no doubt still living at home. not saying its a lot - but is more than virtually all councillors who tend to be older and have more siginficant outgoings like looking after their family, possibly running a car, perhaps a mortgage or rent to pay for. if you are an apprentice living on £2.65 then it is, no doubt a bit tough...but most councillors get it tough too. hasslem hasslem
  • Score: -12

9:37pm Thu 9 May 13

B52bomber says...

I was wondering were my council tax went???? To many councillors, need to reduce & salaries to be paid on work done & not on work discussed
I was wondering were my council tax went???? To many councillors, need to reduce & salaries to be paid on work done & not on work discussed B52bomber
  • Score: 7

11:13pm Thu 9 May 13

Stop Backenders says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
Stop Backenders wrote:
hasslem hasslem wrote:
A Darener wrote:
Being a town councillor today pays almost as well as a full time job. My uncle was on Blackburn council many years ago in the sixties but never took a penny in expenses. He did it, like many others at the time, because he was public spirited, not for what he could made. Too many of today's councillors don't see it as a service but as a way of supplementing their income.
The changes in expenses allowances was brought in to allow those on lower incomes to stand as councillors, to remove the elitist tag. But unfortunately the idea has backfired and the job is now considered a good way of promoting oneself whilst at the same time making a buck or two.
darrener - you have no idea what you are talking about on this one - if you can exist on purely the expenses that councillors receive then you are a better person than me.

there is no full time job that pays anything like the low rate.

you are simply wrong - heaven forfend i invariably disagree with "excluded" but he is bang on on this one
“Get your facts right”

This is the minimum wage £2.65 x 40, what can that buy you “Slave labour”

If you can exist on purely the expenses that councilors receive then you are a better person than me.

There are thousands of people working harder and,” better then you”, working much longer hours and having to survive of for less then what you would get working part-time without expenses.

People are working 40 hours per week on £2.65 hour they are not apprentice jobs by the way but cheap labour by the back door brought in by the government to help the wealthy employees get rich that any person could do with common sense.

However, councillors never seem to bring this up or argue about the new meaning of the minimum wage for these workers brought in by the back door.

This works out for less then what you greedy town councilors can earn only working part-time and for fewer hours. Count your lucky stars you greedy person get in the real word.
silly comparison - 40hrs @ £2.65 ph = £5.5k tax free for 16-19yr olds - no doubt still living at home. not saying its a lot - but is more than virtually all councillors who tend to be older and have more siginficant outgoings like looking after their family, possibly running a car, perhaps a mortgage or rent to pay for.

if you are an apprentice living on £2.65 then it is, no doubt a bit tough...but most councillors get it tough too.
hasslem hasslem
Silly comparison - 40hrs @ £2.65 ph = £5.5k tax free for 16-19yr olds –no doubt still living at home. not saying it’s a lot - but is more than virtually all councilors who tend to be older and have more significant outgoings like looking after their family, possibly running a car, perhaps a mortgage or rent to pay for

Do not insult my intelligence
One of many councilors’ part-time expenses from local boroughs £10,384 big difference from your figures above almost double for less hours

some councilors’ claim for more than this for fewer hours and less work what as age have to do with it. Also how can someone working in a cafe serving bacon butts and coffee be classed as an apprentice its cheap labour through the back door by the government.

Who are you, to say that you have more outgoings then a younger person?”They have children and outgoings to pay just like you”, but on a cheap sweat shop wages for 40 hours per week .Wake up that’s the trouble with people in power out of touch with the real world always wanting the gravy, sod the lower paid got any ambitions to be an MP with their rotten expenses scandals .

Ps forgot to mention when these young people have worked 40 hours for nothing they have to find another job to make up for the minimum wage that they should be on., if they are lucky after working another 20 -30 hours, they might be able to pay their rent, food bill, prescriptions, dentist just like you and no they do not get free nh
s help
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stop Backenders[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Being a town councillor today pays almost as well as a full time job. My uncle was on Blackburn council many years ago in the sixties but never took a penny in expenses. He did it, like many others at the time, because he was public spirited, not for what he could made. Too many of today's councillors don't see it as a service but as a way of supplementing their income. The changes in expenses allowances was brought in to allow those on lower incomes to stand as councillors, to remove the elitist tag. But unfortunately the idea has backfired and the job is now considered a good way of promoting oneself whilst at the same time making a buck or two.[/p][/quote]darrener - you have no idea what you are talking about on this one - if you can exist on purely the expenses that councillors receive then you are a better person than me. there is no full time job that pays anything like the low rate. you are simply wrong - heaven forfend i invariably disagree with "excluded" but he is bang on on this one[/p][/quote]“Get your facts right” This is the minimum wage £2.65 x 40, what can that buy you “Slave labour” If you can exist on purely the expenses that councilors receive then you are a better person than me. There are thousands of people working harder and,” better then you”, working much longer hours and having to survive of for less then what you would get working part-time without expenses. People are working 40 hours per week on £2.65 hour they are not apprentice jobs by the way but cheap labour by the back door brought in by the government to help the wealthy employees get rich that any person could do with common sense. However, councillors never seem to bring this up or argue about the new meaning of the minimum wage for these workers brought in by the back door. This works out for less then what you greedy town councilors can earn only working part-time and for fewer hours. Count your lucky stars you greedy person get in the real word.[/p][/quote]silly comparison - 40hrs @ £2.65 ph = £5.5k tax free for 16-19yr olds - no doubt still living at home. not saying its a lot - but is more than virtually all councillors who tend to be older and have more siginficant outgoings like looking after their family, possibly running a car, perhaps a mortgage or rent to pay for. if you are an apprentice living on £2.65 then it is, no doubt a bit tough...but most councillors get it tough too.[/p][/quote]hasslem hasslem Silly comparison - 40hrs @ £2.65 ph = £5.5k tax free for 16-19yr olds –no doubt still living at home. not saying it’s a lot - but is more than virtually all councilors who tend to be older and have more significant outgoings like looking after their family, possibly running a car, perhaps a mortgage or rent to pay for Do not insult my intelligence One of many councilors’ part-time expenses from local boroughs £10,384 big difference from your figures above almost double for less hours some councilors’ claim for more than this for fewer hours and less work what as age have to do with it. Also how can someone working in a cafe serving bacon butts and coffee be classed as an apprentice its cheap labour through the back door by the government. Who are you, to say that you have more outgoings then a younger person?”They have children and outgoings to pay just like you”, but on a cheap sweat shop wages for 40 hours per week .Wake up that’s the trouble with people in power out of touch with the real world always wanting the gravy, sod the lower paid got any ambitions to be an MP with their rotten expenses scandals . Ps forgot to mention when these young people have worked 40 hours for nothing they have to find another job to make up for the minimum wage that they should be on., if they are lucky after working another 20 -30 hours, they might be able to pay their rent, food bill, prescriptions, dentist just like you and no they do not get free nh s help Stop Backenders
  • Score: 9

1:14am Fri 10 May 13

english rose 1 says...

There's a lot of crap spoken above - so let';s have the FACTS.

- BwD Councillors allowances are the LOWEST IN THE COUNTRY for a unitary authority (except for Rutland).

- they are also LOWER than the vast majority of County Councillors.

So all you folk moaning, get real - you are getting one of the best deals in the country !!

- if it's such a lucrative role being a Councillor why doesn't hardly anyone stand for election ? If all the moaners stood for election there would be at least 25 candidates pwer ward ! As it is, you are lucky to get 3 .....proving that Councillors get bu**er all for the hassle ...
There's a lot of crap spoken above - so let';s have the FACTS. - BwD Councillors allowances are the LOWEST IN THE COUNTRY for a unitary authority (except for Rutland). - they are also LOWER than the vast majority of County Councillors. So all you folk moaning, get real - you are getting one of the best deals in the country !! - if it's such a lucrative role being a Councillor why doesn't hardly anyone stand for election ? If all the moaners stood for election there would be at least 25 candidates pwer ward ! As it is, you are lucky to get 3 .....proving that Councillors get bu**er all for the hassle ... english rose 1
  • Score: -7

7:56am Fri 10 May 13

hasslem hasslem says...

english rose 1 wrote:
There's a lot of crap spoken above - so let';s have the FACTS.

- BwD Councillors allowances are the LOWEST IN THE COUNTRY for a unitary authority (except for Rutland).

- they are also LOWER than the vast majority of County Councillors.

So all you folk moaning, get real - you are getting one of the best deals in the country !!

- if it's such a lucrative role being a Councillor why doesn't hardly anyone stand for election ? If all the moaners stood for election there would be at least 25 candidates pwer ward ! As it is, you are lucky to get 3 .....proving that Councillors get bu**er all for the hassle ...
for once i agree with you.

total nonsense on here by complete ignoramuses
[quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: There's a lot of crap spoken above - so let';s have the FACTS. - BwD Councillors allowances are the LOWEST IN THE COUNTRY for a unitary authority (except for Rutland). - they are also LOWER than the vast majority of County Councillors. So all you folk moaning, get real - you are getting one of the best deals in the country !! - if it's such a lucrative role being a Councillor why doesn't hardly anyone stand for election ? If all the moaners stood for election there would be at least 25 candidates pwer ward ! As it is, you are lucky to get 3 .....proving that Councillors get bu**er all for the hassle ...[/p][/quote]for once i agree with you. total nonsense on here by complete ignoramuses hasslem hasslem
  • Score: -7

9:28am Fri 10 May 13

Stop Backenders says...

english rose 1 wrote:
There's a lot of crap spoken above - so let';s have the FACTS.

- BwD Councillors allowances are the LOWEST IN THE COUNTRY for a unitary authority (except for Rutland).

- they are also LOWER than the vast majority of County Councillors.

So all you folk moaning, get real - you are getting one of the best deals in the country !!

- if it's such a lucrative role being a Councillor why doesn't hardly anyone stand for election ? If all the moaners stood for election there would be at least 25 candidates pwer ward ! As it is, you are lucky to get 3 .....proving that Councillors get bu**er all for the hassle ...
English Rose with her head stuck in the honey pot

Only crap here is you councillors trying to wiggle your way out of the gravy pot again.

How much are you on an hour plus expenses? No one never mentions this, I can guarantee it won’t be anywhere near £2.65 an hour.” you lot make me sick”, with your moral high ground crap.

If you lot do not like the pay go and work 40 hours in a cafe serving bacon butts or other cheap labour camp for £2.65 or shut up.

Better still why not have apprentice councillors on the above wage working full time then you will know what real pay is.

“What no takers”, wonder why.
[quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: There's a lot of crap spoken above - so let';s have the FACTS. - BwD Councillors allowances are the LOWEST IN THE COUNTRY for a unitary authority (except for Rutland). - they are also LOWER than the vast majority of County Councillors. So all you folk moaning, get real - you are getting one of the best deals in the country !! - if it's such a lucrative role being a Councillor why doesn't hardly anyone stand for election ? If all the moaners stood for election there would be at least 25 candidates pwer ward ! As it is, you are lucky to get 3 .....proving that Councillors get bu**er all for the hassle ...[/p][/quote]English Rose with her head stuck in the honey pot Only crap here is you councillors trying to wiggle your way out of the gravy pot again. How much are you on an hour plus expenses? No one never mentions this, I can guarantee it won’t be anywhere near £2.65 an hour.” you lot make me sick”, with your moral high ground crap. If you lot do not like the pay go and work 40 hours in a cafe serving bacon butts or other cheap labour camp for £2.65 or shut up. Better still why not have apprentice councillors on the above wage working full time then you will know what real pay is. “What no takers”, wonder why. Stop Backenders
  • Score: 8

9:58am Fri 10 May 13

Izanears says...

jibbsarefynny wrote:
you've got to remember these people go into it for the money so maybe they don't have a job to fall back upon
Many of them would be unemployable any way!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]jibbsarefynny[/bold] wrote: you've got to remember these people go into it for the money so maybe they don't have a job to fall back upon[/p][/quote]Many of them would be unemployable any way!!!!! Izanears
  • Score: 7

10:47am Fri 10 May 13

hasslem hasslem says...

Stop Backenders wrote:
english rose 1 wrote:
There's a lot of crap spoken above - so let';s have the FACTS.

- BwD Councillors allowances are the LOWEST IN THE COUNTRY for a unitary authority (except for Rutland).

- they are also LOWER than the vast majority of County Councillors.

So all you folk moaning, get real - you are getting one of the best deals in the country !!

- if it's such a lucrative role being a Councillor why doesn't hardly anyone stand for election ? If all the moaners stood for election there would be at least 25 candidates pwer ward ! As it is, you are lucky to get 3 .....proving that Councillors get bu**er all for the hassle ...
English Rose with her head stuck in the honey pot

Only crap here is you councillors trying to wiggle your way out of the gravy pot again.

How much are you on an hour plus expenses? No one never mentions this, I can guarantee it won’t be anywhere near £2.65 an hour.” you lot make me sick”, with your moral high ground crap.

If you lot do not like the pay go and work 40 hours in a cafe serving bacon butts or other cheap labour camp for £2.65 or shut up.

Better still why not have apprentice councillors on the above wage working full time then you will know what real pay is.

“What no takers”, wonder why.
councillors are elected - there are no apprentices....do you know nothing - no wonder you are selling bacon butties
[quote][p][bold]Stop Backenders[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: There's a lot of crap spoken above - so let';s have the FACTS. - BwD Councillors allowances are the LOWEST IN THE COUNTRY for a unitary authority (except for Rutland). - they are also LOWER than the vast majority of County Councillors. So all you folk moaning, get real - you are getting one of the best deals in the country !! - if it's such a lucrative role being a Councillor why doesn't hardly anyone stand for election ? If all the moaners stood for election there would be at least 25 candidates pwer ward ! As it is, you are lucky to get 3 .....proving that Councillors get bu**er all for the hassle ...[/p][/quote]English Rose with her head stuck in the honey pot Only crap here is you councillors trying to wiggle your way out of the gravy pot again. How much are you on an hour plus expenses? No one never mentions this, I can guarantee it won’t be anywhere near £2.65 an hour.” you lot make me sick”, with your moral high ground crap. If you lot do not like the pay go and work 40 hours in a cafe serving bacon butts or other cheap labour camp for £2.65 or shut up. Better still why not have apprentice councillors on the above wage working full time then you will know what real pay is. “What no takers”, wonder why.[/p][/quote]councillors are elected - there are no apprentices....do you know nothing - no wonder you are selling bacon butties hasslem hasslem
  • Score: -7

11:14am Fri 10 May 13

louderfasterlonger says...

Stop Backenders wrote:
english rose 1 wrote: There's a lot of crap spoken above - so let';s have the FACTS. - BwD Councillors allowances are the LOWEST IN THE COUNTRY for a unitary authority (except for Rutland). - they are also LOWER than the vast majority of County Councillors. So all you folk moaning, get real - you are getting one of the best deals in the country !! - if it's such a lucrative role being a Councillor why doesn't hardly anyone stand for election ? If all the moaners stood for election there would be at least 25 candidates pwer ward ! As it is, you are lucky to get 3 .....proving that Councillors get bu**er all for the hassle ...
English Rose with her head stuck in the honey pot Only crap here is you councillors trying to wiggle your way out of the gravy pot again. How much are you on an hour plus expenses? No one never mentions this, I can guarantee it won’t be anywhere near £2.65 an hour.” you lot make me sick”, with your moral high ground crap. If you lot do not like the pay go and work 40 hours in a cafe serving bacon butts or other cheap labour camp for £2.65 or shut up. Better still why not have apprentice councillors on the above wage working full time then you will know what real pay is. “What no takers”, wonder why.
Most councillors work a full time job and bring up families whilst serving the community.
Time off for council duties from work has to be paid back or taken from annual leave. The allowance is a "basic" compensation that works out at around £70 per week after tax. This is a little extra if the councillors are on special responsibilities.
All councillors are on sub-commitees and are held to task by their Party Hierarchy for the work that they do.
Alternatively members of the public can complain about a councillors conduct to the Standards Committee (to which all Councillors are accountable).
In very rare instances a Councillor may "go missing" and collect his allowance for nothing as happened with a certain "For Darwen" Councillor in Sunnyhurst.
If anyone is dissatisfied with the work that their councillor does, they can phone them and ask them to sort out council-related problems in their neighbourhood (at any time of day).
It is not unknown for a Councillor to be away from home at meetings four days a week as well as working from home on local resident issues.
Many Councillors waive the right to expenses such as internet connection, phone lines for the simple fact that they use them also for personal business.
Contrary to popular belief, Councillors do NOT set the rates that the get. This is done by an independant panel chosen by Council Officials. Councillors do not have to abide by the panels decision and can vote a drop in pay (of say 10%) as they did a couple of years ago.
Darwen Town Councillors and Parish Councillors are unique in that they get no expenses whatsoever but are just as accountable.
Work out an hourly rate based on around 30 hours of duties a week for the average councillor and you may be somewhere near.
If a councillor is flagging, he will be SACKED at the next election without being given notice or severance pay by the voter (given that his local party has not decided to de-select him).
[quote][p][bold]Stop Backenders[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: There's a lot of crap spoken above - so let';s have the FACTS. - BwD Councillors allowances are the LOWEST IN THE COUNTRY for a unitary authority (except for Rutland). - they are also LOWER than the vast majority of County Councillors. So all you folk moaning, get real - you are getting one of the best deals in the country !! - if it's such a lucrative role being a Councillor why doesn't hardly anyone stand for election ? If all the moaners stood for election there would be at least 25 candidates pwer ward ! As it is, you are lucky to get 3 .....proving that Councillors get bu**er all for the hassle ...[/p][/quote]English Rose with her head stuck in the honey pot Only crap here is you councillors trying to wiggle your way out of the gravy pot again. How much are you on an hour plus expenses? No one never mentions this, I can guarantee it won’t be anywhere near £2.65 an hour.” you lot make me sick”, with your moral high ground crap. If you lot do not like the pay go and work 40 hours in a cafe serving bacon butts or other cheap labour camp for £2.65 or shut up. Better still why not have apprentice councillors on the above wage working full time then you will know what real pay is. “What no takers”, wonder why.[/p][/quote]Most councillors work a full time job and bring up families whilst serving the community. Time off for council duties from work has to be paid back or taken from annual leave. The allowance is a "basic" compensation that works out at around £70 per week after tax. This is a little extra if the councillors are on special responsibilities. All councillors are on sub-commitees and are held to task by their Party Hierarchy for the work that they do. Alternatively members of the public can complain about a councillors conduct to the Standards Committee (to which all Councillors are accountable). In very rare instances a Councillor may "go missing" and collect his allowance for nothing as happened with a certain "For Darwen" Councillor in Sunnyhurst. If anyone is dissatisfied with the work that their councillor does, they can phone them and ask them to sort out council-related problems in their neighbourhood (at any time of day). It is not unknown for a Councillor to be away from home at meetings four days a week as well as working from home on local resident issues. Many Councillors waive the right to expenses such as internet connection, phone lines for the simple fact that they use them also for personal business. Contrary to popular belief, Councillors do NOT set the rates that the get. This is done by an independant panel chosen by Council Officials. Councillors do not have to abide by the panels decision and can vote a drop in pay (of say 10%) as they did a couple of years ago. Darwen Town Councillors and Parish Councillors are unique in that they get no expenses whatsoever but are just as accountable. Work out an hourly rate based on around 30 hours of duties a week for the average councillor and you may be somewhere near. If a councillor is flagging, he will be SACKED at the next election without being given notice or severance pay by the voter (given that his local party has not decided to de-select him). louderfasterlonger
  • Score: -8

11:21am Fri 10 May 13

district01 says...

Oh dear, english rose 1 - Drooling the same old story over and over again.

Quote: if it's such a lucrative role being a Councillor why doesn't hardly anyone stand for election ?

Well, the country is and always has been made up of politically secure areas. Some like Blackburn more than others because of it’s industrial past. It’s called political snobbery. Can you imagine Councillor Hollern who is not only the leader of the Blackburn labour party but also Councillor of that long lasting labour stronghold Wensley Fold,
putting her name down against another area that has always been a Conservative stronghold? It would be totally useless. No way would she ever win. Even though she may think that she could support the people who live there better!

That’s why “hardy anyone would stand for election”. Especially in that area. It‘s a secure safe seat and would have to be passed down with consent to a political family member to win!

PS - How much do councillors get anyway, english rose 1? Are they capable of doing that job while having another job as well? Will they also get a pension afterwards and how much? These are questions that not many people know. Do you?
Oh dear, english rose 1 - Drooling the same old story over and over again. Quote: if it's such a lucrative role being a Councillor why doesn't hardly anyone stand for election ? Well, the country is and always has been made up of politically secure areas. Some like Blackburn more than others because of it’s industrial past. It’s called political snobbery. Can you imagine Councillor Hollern who is not only the leader of the Blackburn labour party but also Councillor of that long lasting labour stronghold Wensley Fold, putting her name down against another area that has always been a Conservative stronghold? It would be totally useless. No way would she ever win. Even though she may think that she could support the people who live there better! That’s why “hardy anyone would stand for election”. Especially in that area. It‘s a secure safe seat and would have to be passed down with consent to a political family member to win! PS - How much do councillors get anyway, english rose 1? Are they capable of doing that job while having another job as well? Will they also get a pension afterwards and how much? These are questions that not many people know. Do you? district01
  • Score: 8

11:24am Fri 10 May 13

A Darener says...

louderfasterlonger wrote:
Stop Backenders wrote:
english rose 1 wrote: There's a lot of crap spoken above - so let';s have the FACTS. - BwD Councillors allowances are the LOWEST IN THE COUNTRY for a unitary authority (except for Rutland). - they are also LOWER than the vast majority of County Councillors. So all you folk moaning, get real - you are getting one of the best deals in the country !! - if it's such a lucrative role being a Councillor why doesn't hardly anyone stand for election ? If all the moaners stood for election there would be at least 25 candidates pwer ward ! As it is, you are lucky to get 3 .....proving that Councillors get bu**er all for the hassle ...
English Rose with her head stuck in the honey pot Only crap here is you councillors trying to wiggle your way out of the gravy pot again. How much are you on an hour plus expenses? No one never mentions this, I can guarantee it won’t be anywhere near £2.65 an hour.” you lot make me sick”, with your moral high ground crap. If you lot do not like the pay go and work 40 hours in a cafe serving bacon butts or other cheap labour camp for £2.65 or shut up. Better still why not have apprentice councillors on the above wage working full time then you will know what real pay is. “What no takers”, wonder why.
Most councillors work a full time job and bring up families whilst serving the community.
Time off for council duties from work has to be paid back or taken from annual leave. The allowance is a "basic" compensation that works out at around £70 per week after tax. This is a little extra if the councillors are on special responsibilities.
All councillors are on sub-commitees and are held to task by their Party Hierarchy for the work that they do.
Alternatively members of the public can complain about a councillors conduct to the Standards Committee (to which all Councillors are accountable).
In very rare instances a Councillor may "go missing" and collect his allowance for nothing as happened with a certain "For Darwen" Councillor in Sunnyhurst.
If anyone is dissatisfied with the work that their councillor does, they can phone them and ask them to sort out council-related problems in their neighbourhood (at any time of day).
It is not unknown for a Councillor to be away from home at meetings four days a week as well as working from home on local resident issues.
Many Councillors waive the right to expenses such as internet connection, phone lines for the simple fact that they use them also for personal business.
Contrary to popular belief, Councillors do NOT set the rates that the get. This is done by an independant panel chosen by Council Officials. Councillors do not have to abide by the panels decision and can vote a drop in pay (of say 10%) as they did a couple of years ago.
Darwen Town Councillors and Parish Councillors are unique in that they get no expenses whatsoever but are just as accountable.
Work out an hourly rate based on around 30 hours of duties a week for the average councillor and you may be somewhere near.
If a councillor is flagging, he will be SACKED at the next election without being given notice or severance pay by the voter (given that his local party has not decided to de-select him).
A well written account of a councillor s role.
But as previously stated, a councillor should serve the community as a willing volunteer, not as a means of increasing his income. By all means reimburse him for personal expenses, stamps, telephone calls and the like. But not for actually attending meetings etc. that should be a gesture to the community of his commitment to helping them.
[quote][p][bold]louderfasterlonger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stop Backenders[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: There's a lot of crap spoken above - so let';s have the FACTS. - BwD Councillors allowances are the LOWEST IN THE COUNTRY for a unitary authority (except for Rutland). - they are also LOWER than the vast majority of County Councillors. So all you folk moaning, get real - you are getting one of the best deals in the country !! - if it's such a lucrative role being a Councillor why doesn't hardly anyone stand for election ? If all the moaners stood for election there would be at least 25 candidates pwer ward ! As it is, you are lucky to get 3 .....proving that Councillors get bu**er all for the hassle ...[/p][/quote]English Rose with her head stuck in the honey pot Only crap here is you councillors trying to wiggle your way out of the gravy pot again. How much are you on an hour plus expenses? No one never mentions this, I can guarantee it won’t be anywhere near £2.65 an hour.” you lot make me sick”, with your moral high ground crap. If you lot do not like the pay go and work 40 hours in a cafe serving bacon butts or other cheap labour camp for £2.65 or shut up. Better still why not have apprentice councillors on the above wage working full time then you will know what real pay is. “What no takers”, wonder why.[/p][/quote]Most councillors work a full time job and bring up families whilst serving the community. Time off for council duties from work has to be paid back or taken from annual leave. The allowance is a "basic" compensation that works out at around £70 per week after tax. This is a little extra if the councillors are on special responsibilities. All councillors are on sub-commitees and are held to task by their Party Hierarchy for the work that they do. Alternatively members of the public can complain about a councillors conduct to the Standards Committee (to which all Councillors are accountable). In very rare instances a Councillor may "go missing" and collect his allowance for nothing as happened with a certain "For Darwen" Councillor in Sunnyhurst. If anyone is dissatisfied with the work that their councillor does, they can phone them and ask them to sort out council-related problems in their neighbourhood (at any time of day). It is not unknown for a Councillor to be away from home at meetings four days a week as well as working from home on local resident issues. Many Councillors waive the right to expenses such as internet connection, phone lines for the simple fact that they use them also for personal business. Contrary to popular belief, Councillors do NOT set the rates that the get. This is done by an independant panel chosen by Council Officials. Councillors do not have to abide by the panels decision and can vote a drop in pay (of say 10%) as they did a couple of years ago. Darwen Town Councillors and Parish Councillors are unique in that they get no expenses whatsoever but are just as accountable. Work out an hourly rate based on around 30 hours of duties a week for the average councillor and you may be somewhere near. If a councillor is flagging, he will be SACKED at the next election without being given notice or severance pay by the voter (given that his local party has not decided to de-select him).[/p][/quote]A well written account of a councillor s role. But as previously stated, a councillor should serve the community as a willing volunteer, not as a means of increasing his income. By all means reimburse him for personal expenses, stamps, telephone calls and the like. But not for actually attending meetings etc. that should be a gesture to the community of his commitment to helping them. A Darener
  • Score: -5

11:27am Fri 10 May 13

Stop Backenders says...

How much an hour
How much an hour Stop Backenders
  • Score: 10

11:35am Fri 10 May 13

Stop Backenders says...

district01 wrote:
Oh dear, english rose 1 - Drooling the same old story over and over again.

Quote: if it's such a lucrative role being a Councillor why doesn't hardly anyone stand for election ?

Well, the country is and always has been made up of politically secure areas. Some like Blackburn more than others because of it’s industrial past. It’s called political snobbery. Can you imagine Councillor Hollern who is not only the leader of the Blackburn labour party but also Councillor of that long lasting labour stronghold Wensley Fold,
putting her name down against another area that has always been a Conservative stronghold? It would be totally useless. No way would she ever win. Even though she may think that she could support the people who live there better!

That’s why “hardy anyone would stand for election”. Especially in that area. It‘s a secure safe seat and would have to be passed down with consent to a political family member to win!

PS - How much do councillors get anyway, english rose 1? Are they capable of doing that job while having another job as well? Will they also get a pension afterwards and how much? These are questions that not many people know. Do you?
She can never answer a simple question just billy ****
How much an hour and how much in a year print each partime coucillors gross figures for all to see. Forgot about the perks of the pension but thats something else
[quote][p][bold]district01[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, english rose 1 - Drooling the same old story over and over again. Quote: if it's such a lucrative role being a Councillor why doesn't hardly anyone stand for election ? Well, the country is and always has been made up of politically secure areas. Some like Blackburn more than others because of it’s industrial past. It’s called political snobbery. Can you imagine Councillor Hollern who is not only the leader of the Blackburn labour party but also Councillor of that long lasting labour stronghold Wensley Fold, putting her name down against another area that has always been a Conservative stronghold? It would be totally useless. No way would she ever win. Even though she may think that she could support the people who live there better! That’s why “hardy anyone would stand for election”. Especially in that area. It‘s a secure safe seat and would have to be passed down with consent to a political family member to win! PS - How much do councillors get anyway, english rose 1? Are they capable of doing that job while having another job as well? Will they also get a pension afterwards and how much? These are questions that not many people know. Do you?[/p][/quote]She can never answer a simple question just billy **** How much an hour and how much in a year print each partime coucillors gross figures for all to see. Forgot about the perks of the pension but thats something else Stop Backenders
  • Score: 10

12:24pm Fri 10 May 13

Stop Backenders says...

Payments made to county councillors and co-opted members under the 2011/12 Members' Allowance Scheme
Councillor Basic Pay SRA Mileage Subsistance Public Trans Incidental
Carers
Allowance Total
Adam, George 10139.00 0.00 1192.10 16.49 0.00 14.50 0.00 11362.09
Aldridge, Terry 10139.00 0.00 1011.23 76.51 0.00 0.00 0.00 11226.74
Ashton, Timothy 10139.00 15924.00 4343.30 1598.19 172.95 281.90 0.00 32459.34
Askew, George 10139.00 0.00 268.30 40.43 0.00 0.00 0.00 10447.73
Atkinson, Albert 10139.00 20267.00 6572.15 669.72 0.00 88.10 0.00 37735.97
Bailey, Keith 10139.00 3402.00 3190.20 0.00 0.00 6.00 0.00 16737.20
Bailey, Robert 10139.00 0.00 257.40 40.74 0.00 0.00 0.00 10437.14
Barron, Malcom 10139.00 7962.00 1259.70 436.04 51.40 17.90 0.00 19866.04
Blow, Renee 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00
Briggs, Charlie 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00
Brindle, Margaret 10139.00 4343.00 0.00 137.49 550.35 0.00 0.00 15169.84
Britcliffe, Peter 10139.00 0.00 377.65 211.20 3.85 10.00 180.00 10921.70
Brown, Ken 10139.00 0.00 1485.90 0.00 0.00 30.00 0.00 11654.90
Brown, Terry 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00
Calvert, Mike 10139.00 15924.00 5389.80 623.41 0.00 0.00 0.00 32076.21
Case, Pat 10139.00 6062.48 103.36 23.03 0.00 0.00 0.00 16327.87
Chapman, Sam 10139.00 2895.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 13034.00
Charles, Susie 10139.00 15924.00 3882.45 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 29945.45
Chris Coates 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00
Craig-Wilson, Fabian 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00
Crompton, Carl 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00
Cropper, William 10139.00 0.00 1615.90 318.70 0.00 0.00 0.00 12073.60
De Molfetta, Frank 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00
Derwent, Shelagh 10139.00 2359.45 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 12498.45
Devaney, Michael 10139.00 8686.00 1617.15 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 20442.15
Driver, Geoffrey 10139.00 28953.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 39092.00
Eaton, James 10139.00 0.00 700.05 56.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10895.05
Ellard, Kevin 10139.00 4100.70 396.50 0.00 43.50 22.90 0.00 14702.60
Evans, Carolyn 10139.00 5067.00 3351.29 78.44 0.00 75.00 0.00 18710.73
Evans, Peter 10139.00 0.00 293.80 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10432.80
Fishwick, Sarah 10139.00 0.00 2300.35 0.00 17.75 52.30 0.00 12509.40
France, Mike 10139.00 7962.00 1955.85 437.24 24.50 15.53 0.00 20534.12
Green, Michael 10139.00 15924.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 26063.00
Grunshaw, Clive 10139.00 2218.11 1435.20 335.00 8.00 0.00 0.00 14135.31
Hanson, Janice 10139.00 2895.00 2248.77 107.43 0.00 0.00 0.00 15390.20
Hassan Misfar 10139.00 0.00 92.95 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10231.95
Payments made to county councillors and co-opted members under the 2011/12 Members' Allowance Scheme Councillor Basic Pay SRA Mileage Subsistance Public Trans Incidental Carers Allowance Total Adam, George 10139.00 0.00 1192.10 16.49 0.00 14.50 0.00 11362.09 Aldridge, Terry 10139.00 0.00 1011.23 76.51 0.00 0.00 0.00 11226.74 Ashton, Timothy 10139.00 15924.00 4343.30 1598.19 172.95 281.90 0.00 32459.34 Askew, George 10139.00 0.00 268.30 40.43 0.00 0.00 0.00 10447.73 Atkinson, Albert 10139.00 20267.00 6572.15 669.72 0.00 88.10 0.00 37735.97 Bailey, Keith 10139.00 3402.00 3190.20 0.00 0.00 6.00 0.00 16737.20 Bailey, Robert 10139.00 0.00 257.40 40.74 0.00 0.00 0.00 10437.14 Barron, Malcom 10139.00 7962.00 1259.70 436.04 51.40 17.90 0.00 19866.04 Blow, Renee 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00 Briggs, Charlie 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00 Brindle, Margaret 10139.00 4343.00 0.00 137.49 550.35 0.00 0.00 15169.84 Britcliffe, Peter 10139.00 0.00 377.65 211.20 3.85 10.00 180.00 10921.70 Brown, Ken 10139.00 0.00 1485.90 0.00 0.00 30.00 0.00 11654.90 Brown, Terry 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00 Calvert, Mike 10139.00 15924.00 5389.80 623.41 0.00 0.00 0.00 32076.21 Case, Pat 10139.00 6062.48 103.36 23.03 0.00 0.00 0.00 16327.87 Chapman, Sam 10139.00 2895.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 13034.00 Charles, Susie 10139.00 15924.00 3882.45 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 29945.45 Chris Coates 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00 Craig-Wilson, Fabian 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00 Crompton, Carl 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00 Cropper, William 10139.00 0.00 1615.90 318.70 0.00 0.00 0.00 12073.60 De Molfetta, Frank 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00 Derwent, Shelagh 10139.00 2359.45 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 12498.45 Devaney, Michael 10139.00 8686.00 1617.15 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 20442.15 Driver, Geoffrey 10139.00 28953.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 39092.00 Eaton, James 10139.00 0.00 700.05 56.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10895.05 Ellard, Kevin 10139.00 4100.70 396.50 0.00 43.50 22.90 0.00 14702.60 Evans, Carolyn 10139.00 5067.00 3351.29 78.44 0.00 75.00 0.00 18710.73 Evans, Peter 10139.00 0.00 293.80 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10432.80 Fishwick, Sarah 10139.00 0.00 2300.35 0.00 17.75 52.30 0.00 12509.40 France, Mike 10139.00 7962.00 1955.85 437.24 24.50 15.53 0.00 20534.12 Green, Michael 10139.00 15924.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 26063.00 Grunshaw, Clive 10139.00 2218.11 1435.20 335.00 8.00 0.00 0.00 14135.31 Hanson, Janice 10139.00 2895.00 2248.77 107.43 0.00 0.00 0.00 15390.20 Hassan Misfar 10139.00 0.00 92.95 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10231.95 Stop Backenders
  • Score: 9

2:18pm Fri 10 May 13

Stop Backenders says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
Stop Backenders wrote:
english rose 1 wrote:
There's a lot of crap spoken above - so let';s have the FACTS.

- BwD Councillors allowances are the LOWEST IN THE COUNTRY for a unitary authority (except for Rutland).

- they are also LOWER than the vast majority of County Councillors.

So all you folk moaning, get real - you are getting one of the best deals in the country !!

- if it's such a lucrative role being a Councillor why doesn't hardly anyone stand for election ? If all the moaners stood for election there would be at least 25 candidates pwer ward ! As it is, you are lucky to get 3 .....proving that Councillors get bu**er all for the hassle ...
English Rose with her head stuck in the honey pot

Only crap here is you councillors trying to wiggle your way out of the gravy pot again.

How much are you on an hour plus expenses? No one never mentions this, I can guarantee it won’t be anywhere near £2.65 an hour.” you lot make me sick”, with your moral high ground crap.

If you lot do not like the pay go and work 40 hours in a cafe serving bacon butts or other cheap labour camp for £2.65 or shut up.

Better still why not have apprentice councillors on the above wage working full time then you will know what real pay is.

“What no takers”, wonder why.
councillors are elected - there are no apprentices....do you know nothing - no wonder you are selling bacon butties
Read the question before making a fool of your self

I said why not have apprentice councillors on this new wage after all what WORK EXPERIENCE HAVE YOU HAD AS A COUNCILOR by the looks of thing none.
It could be renamed ,” Customer public services”, just like the new jobs popping up offering cheap labour. Now we know why we have some thick councillors too big for their boots.

No, I do not work as an apprentice serving bacon buts for £2.65 an hour you arrogant out of touch councillor but plenty of good people do. Apparently, you are out of touch with the real working wage that people earn today.

I also have more respect for people having to be insulted with needing an apprenticeship to work in a normal job that does not need any form of training but common sense so employees can abuse the wage system just like the government with their big fat expense by the back door.
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stop Backenders[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: There's a lot of crap spoken above - so let';s have the FACTS. - BwD Councillors allowances are the LOWEST IN THE COUNTRY for a unitary authority (except for Rutland). - they are also LOWER than the vast majority of County Councillors. So all you folk moaning, get real - you are getting one of the best deals in the country !! - if it's such a lucrative role being a Councillor why doesn't hardly anyone stand for election ? If all the moaners stood for election there would be at least 25 candidates pwer ward ! As it is, you are lucky to get 3 .....proving that Councillors get bu**er all for the hassle ...[/p][/quote]English Rose with her head stuck in the honey pot Only crap here is you councillors trying to wiggle your way out of the gravy pot again. How much are you on an hour plus expenses? No one never mentions this, I can guarantee it won’t be anywhere near £2.65 an hour.” you lot make me sick”, with your moral high ground crap. If you lot do not like the pay go and work 40 hours in a cafe serving bacon butts or other cheap labour camp for £2.65 or shut up. Better still why not have apprentice councillors on the above wage working full time then you will know what real pay is. “What no takers”, wonder why.[/p][/quote]councillors are elected - there are no apprentices....do you know nothing - no wonder you are selling bacon butties[/p][/quote]Read the question before making a fool of your self I said why not have apprentice councillors on this new wage after all what WORK EXPERIENCE HAVE YOU HAD AS A COUNCILOR by the looks of thing none. It could be renamed ,” Customer public services”, just like the new jobs popping up offering cheap labour. Now we know why we have some thick councillors too big for their boots. No, I do not work as an apprentice serving bacon buts for £2.65 an hour you arrogant out of touch councillor but plenty of good people do. Apparently, you are out of touch with the real working wage that people earn today. I also have more respect for people having to be insulted with needing an apprenticeship to work in a normal job that does not need any form of training but common sense so employees can abuse the wage system just like the government with their big fat expense by the back door. Stop Backenders
  • Score: 9

5:05pm Fri 10 May 13

hasslem hasslem says...

Stop Backenders wrote:
hasslem hasslem wrote:
Stop Backenders wrote:
english rose 1 wrote:
There's a lot of crap spoken above - so let';s have the FACTS.

- BwD Councillors allowances are the LOWEST IN THE COUNTRY for a unitary authority (except for Rutland).

- they are also LOWER than the vast majority of County Councillors.

So all you folk moaning, get real - you are getting one of the best deals in the country !!

- if it's such a lucrative role being a Councillor why doesn't hardly anyone stand for election ? If all the moaners stood for election there would be at least 25 candidates pwer ward ! As it is, you are lucky to get 3 .....proving that Councillors get bu**er all for the hassle ...
English Rose with her head stuck in the honey pot

Only crap here is you councillors trying to wiggle your way out of the gravy pot again.

How much are you on an hour plus expenses? No one never mentions this, I can guarantee it won’t be anywhere near £2.65 an hour.” you lot make me sick”, with your moral high ground crap.

If you lot do not like the pay go and work 40 hours in a cafe serving bacon butts or other cheap labour camp for £2.65 or shut up.

Better still why not have apprentice councillors on the above wage working full time then you will know what real pay is.

“What no takers”, wonder why.
councillors are elected - there are no apprentices....do you know nothing - no wonder you are selling bacon butties
Read the question before making a fool of your self

I said why not have apprentice councillors on this new wage after all what WORK EXPERIENCE HAVE YOU HAD AS A COUNCILOR by the looks of thing none.
It could be renamed ,” Customer public services”, just like the new jobs popping up offering cheap labour. Now we know why we have some thick councillors too big for their boots.

No, I do not work as an apprentice serving bacon buts for £2.65 an hour you arrogant out of touch councillor but plenty of good people do. Apparently, you are out of touch with the real working wage that people earn today.

I also have more respect for people having to be insulted with needing an apprenticeship to work in a normal job that does not need any form of training but common sense so employees can abuse the wage system just like the government with their big fat expense by the back door.
Did you go to English lessons at school? You obviously did not learn much.

Why do you assume I am a councillor? - I am not
Why do you assume English Rose is a female? - they are not.
Why do you want to abandon democracy?
There are loads of wards that change all the time and many wards have 3 councillors from different political parties - so it is not a block vote as you state.
Where have I said anything arrogant?

Think you need to go and have a lie down
[quote][p][bold]Stop Backenders[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stop Backenders[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: There's a lot of crap spoken above - so let';s have the FACTS. - BwD Councillors allowances are the LOWEST IN THE COUNTRY for a unitary authority (except for Rutland). - they are also LOWER than the vast majority of County Councillors. So all you folk moaning, get real - you are getting one of the best deals in the country !! - if it's such a lucrative role being a Councillor why doesn't hardly anyone stand for election ? If all the moaners stood for election there would be at least 25 candidates pwer ward ! As it is, you are lucky to get 3 .....proving that Councillors get bu**er all for the hassle ...[/p][/quote]English Rose with her head stuck in the honey pot Only crap here is you councillors trying to wiggle your way out of the gravy pot again. How much are you on an hour plus expenses? No one never mentions this, I can guarantee it won’t be anywhere near £2.65 an hour.” you lot make me sick”, with your moral high ground crap. If you lot do not like the pay go and work 40 hours in a cafe serving bacon butts or other cheap labour camp for £2.65 or shut up. Better still why not have apprentice councillors on the above wage working full time then you will know what real pay is. “What no takers”, wonder why.[/p][/quote]councillors are elected - there are no apprentices....do you know nothing - no wonder you are selling bacon butties[/p][/quote]Read the question before making a fool of your self I said why not have apprentice councillors on this new wage after all what WORK EXPERIENCE HAVE YOU HAD AS A COUNCILOR by the looks of thing none. It could be renamed ,” Customer public services”, just like the new jobs popping up offering cheap labour. Now we know why we have some thick councillors too big for their boots. No, I do not work as an apprentice serving bacon buts for £2.65 an hour you arrogant out of touch councillor but plenty of good people do. Apparently, you are out of touch with the real working wage that people earn today. I also have more respect for people having to be insulted with needing an apprenticeship to work in a normal job that does not need any form of training but common sense so employees can abuse the wage system just like the government with their big fat expense by the back door.[/p][/quote]Did you go to English lessons at school? You obviously did not learn much. Why do you assume I am a councillor? - I am not Why do you assume English Rose is a female? - they are not. Why do you want to abandon democracy? There are loads of wards that change all the time and many wards have 3 councillors from different political parties - so it is not a block vote as you state. Where have I said anything arrogant? Think you need to go and have a lie down hasslem hasslem
  • Score: -4

7:40pm Fri 10 May 13

english rose 1 says...

Stop Backenders wrote:
Payments made to county councillors and co-opted members under the 2011/12 Members' Allowance Scheme
Councillor Basic Pay SRA Mileage Subsistance Public Trans Incidental
Carers
Allowance Total
Adam, George 10139.00 0.00 1192.10 16.49 0.00 14.50 0.00 11362.09
Aldridge, Terry 10139.00 0.00 1011.23 76.51 0.00 0.00 0.00 11226.74
Ashton, Timothy 10139.00 15924.00 4343.30 1598.19 172.95 281.90 0.00 32459.34
Askew, George 10139.00 0.00 268.30 40.43 0.00 0.00 0.00 10447.73
Atkinson, Albert 10139.00 20267.00 6572.15 669.72 0.00 88.10 0.00 37735.97
Bailey, Keith 10139.00 3402.00 3190.20 0.00 0.00 6.00 0.00 16737.20
Bailey, Robert 10139.00 0.00 257.40 40.74 0.00 0.00 0.00 10437.14
Barron, Malcom 10139.00 7962.00 1259.70 436.04 51.40 17.90 0.00 19866.04
Blow, Renee 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00
Briggs, Charlie 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00
Brindle, Margaret 10139.00 4343.00 0.00 137.49 550.35 0.00 0.00 15169.84
Britcliffe, Peter 10139.00 0.00 377.65 211.20 3.85 10.00 180.00 10921.70
Brown, Ken 10139.00 0.00 1485.90 0.00 0.00 30.00 0.00 11654.90
Brown, Terry 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00
Calvert, Mike 10139.00 15924.00 5389.80 623.41 0.00 0.00 0.00 32076.21
Case, Pat 10139.00 6062.48 103.36 23.03 0.00 0.00 0.00 16327.87
Chapman, Sam 10139.00 2895.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 13034.00
Charles, Susie 10139.00 15924.00 3882.45 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 29945.45
Chris Coates 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00
Craig-Wilson, Fabian 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00
Crompton, Carl 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00
Cropper, William 10139.00 0.00 1615.90 318.70 0.00 0.00 0.00 12073.60
De Molfetta, Frank 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00
Derwent, Shelagh 10139.00 2359.45 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 12498.45
Devaney, Michael 10139.00 8686.00 1617.15 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 20442.15
Driver, Geoffrey 10139.00 28953.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 39092.00
Eaton, James 10139.00 0.00 700.05 56.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10895.05
Ellard, Kevin 10139.00 4100.70 396.50 0.00 43.50 22.90 0.00 14702.60
Evans, Carolyn 10139.00 5067.00 3351.29 78.44 0.00 75.00 0.00 18710.73
Evans, Peter 10139.00 0.00 293.80 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10432.80
Fishwick, Sarah 10139.00 0.00 2300.35 0.00 17.75 52.30 0.00 12509.40
France, Mike 10139.00 7962.00 1955.85 437.24 24.50 15.53 0.00 20534.12
Green, Michael 10139.00 15924.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 26063.00
Grunshaw, Clive 10139.00 2218.11 1435.20 335.00 8.00 0.00 0.00 14135.31
Hanson, Janice 10139.00 2895.00 2248.77 107.43 0.00 0.00 0.00 15390.20
Hassan Misfar 10139.00 0.00 92.95 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10231.95
Well done Stop Backenders ! You have highlighted my point brilliantly !
The article refers to Blackburn with Darwen Borough Councillors. You have listed Lancashire County Councillors.
Now compare the two sets of allowances.
You will find that BwD Councillors receive a lot less despite having more responsibilities in terms of service provision.
This illustrates my point that BwD Councillors are the lowest 'paid' in the country (except for Rutland)..
[quote][p][bold]Stop Backenders[/bold] wrote: Payments made to county councillors and co-opted members under the 2011/12 Members' Allowance Scheme Councillor Basic Pay SRA Mileage Subsistance Public Trans Incidental Carers Allowance Total Adam, George 10139.00 0.00 1192.10 16.49 0.00 14.50 0.00 11362.09 Aldridge, Terry 10139.00 0.00 1011.23 76.51 0.00 0.00 0.00 11226.74 Ashton, Timothy 10139.00 15924.00 4343.30 1598.19 172.95 281.90 0.00 32459.34 Askew, George 10139.00 0.00 268.30 40.43 0.00 0.00 0.00 10447.73 Atkinson, Albert 10139.00 20267.00 6572.15 669.72 0.00 88.10 0.00 37735.97 Bailey, Keith 10139.00 3402.00 3190.20 0.00 0.00 6.00 0.00 16737.20 Bailey, Robert 10139.00 0.00 257.40 40.74 0.00 0.00 0.00 10437.14 Barron, Malcom 10139.00 7962.00 1259.70 436.04 51.40 17.90 0.00 19866.04 Blow, Renee 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00 Briggs, Charlie 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00 Brindle, Margaret 10139.00 4343.00 0.00 137.49 550.35 0.00 0.00 15169.84 Britcliffe, Peter 10139.00 0.00 377.65 211.20 3.85 10.00 180.00 10921.70 Brown, Ken 10139.00 0.00 1485.90 0.00 0.00 30.00 0.00 11654.90 Brown, Terry 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00 Calvert, Mike 10139.00 15924.00 5389.80 623.41 0.00 0.00 0.00 32076.21 Case, Pat 10139.00 6062.48 103.36 23.03 0.00 0.00 0.00 16327.87 Chapman, Sam 10139.00 2895.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 13034.00 Charles, Susie 10139.00 15924.00 3882.45 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 29945.45 Chris Coates 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00 Craig-Wilson, Fabian 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00 Crompton, Carl 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00 Cropper, William 10139.00 0.00 1615.90 318.70 0.00 0.00 0.00 12073.60 De Molfetta, Frank 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00 Derwent, Shelagh 10139.00 2359.45 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 12498.45 Devaney, Michael 10139.00 8686.00 1617.15 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 20442.15 Driver, Geoffrey 10139.00 28953.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 39092.00 Eaton, James 10139.00 0.00 700.05 56.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10895.05 Ellard, Kevin 10139.00 4100.70 396.50 0.00 43.50 22.90 0.00 14702.60 Evans, Carolyn 10139.00 5067.00 3351.29 78.44 0.00 75.00 0.00 18710.73 Evans, Peter 10139.00 0.00 293.80 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10432.80 Fishwick, Sarah 10139.00 0.00 2300.35 0.00 17.75 52.30 0.00 12509.40 France, Mike 10139.00 7962.00 1955.85 437.24 24.50 15.53 0.00 20534.12 Green, Michael 10139.00 15924.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 26063.00 Grunshaw, Clive 10139.00 2218.11 1435.20 335.00 8.00 0.00 0.00 14135.31 Hanson, Janice 10139.00 2895.00 2248.77 107.43 0.00 0.00 0.00 15390.20 Hassan Misfar 10139.00 0.00 92.95 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10231.95[/p][/quote]Well done Stop Backenders ! You have highlighted my point brilliantly ! The article refers to Blackburn with Darwen Borough Councillors. You have listed Lancashire County Councillors. Now compare the two sets of allowances. You will find that BwD Councillors receive a lot less despite having more responsibilities in terms of service provision. This illustrates my point that BwD Councillors are the lowest 'paid' in the country (except for Rutland).. english rose 1
  • Score: -5

7:51pm Fri 10 May 13

english rose 1 says...

Stop Backenders wrote:
How much an hour
Doh !! It depends on how many hours. On average a BwD Councillor spends about 25 hours a week on Council work. And are 'paid' on average about £7.5k (before tax & NI).
So that's £7,500 divide by 52 = £144 per week..
So that's £5.76 an hour, - which is less than the minimum wage.
[quote][p][bold]Stop Backenders[/bold] wrote: How much an hour[/p][/quote]Doh !! It depends on how many hours. On average a BwD Councillor spends about 25 hours a week on Council work. And are 'paid' on average about £7.5k (before tax & NI). So that's £7,500 divide by 52 = £144 per week.. So that's £5.76 an hour, - which is less than the minimum wage. english rose 1
  • Score: -4

9:43pm Fri 10 May 13

district01 says...

Doh!! Then why don't the BwD Councillors all go on strike for working 'on average' less than the minimum wage?

Please, do us all a favour!
Doh!! Then why don't the BwD Councillors all go on strike for working 'on average' less than the minimum wage? Please, do us all a favour! district01
  • Score: 7

10:38am Sat 11 May 13

Stop Backenders says...

english rose 1 wrote:
Stop Backenders wrote:
Payments made to county councillors and co-opted members under the 2011/12 Members' Allowance Scheme
Councillor Basic Pay SRA Mileage Subsistance Public Trans Incidental
Carers
Allowance Total
Adam, George 10139.00 0.00 1192.10 16.49 0.00 14.50 0.00 11362.09
Aldridge, Terry 10139.00 0.00 1011.23 76.51 0.00 0.00 0.00 11226.74
Ashton, Timothy 10139.00 15924.00 4343.30 1598.19 172.95 281.90 0.00 32459.34
Askew, George 10139.00 0.00 268.30 40.43 0.00 0.00 0.00 10447.73
Atkinson, Albert 10139.00 20267.00 6572.15 669.72 0.00 88.10 0.00 37735.97
Bailey, Keith 10139.00 3402.00 3190.20 0.00 0.00 6.00 0.00 16737.20
Bailey, Robert 10139.00 0.00 257.40 40.74 0.00 0.00 0.00 10437.14
Barron, Malcom 10139.00 7962.00 1259.70 436.04 51.40 17.90 0.00 19866.04
Blow, Renee 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00
Briggs, Charlie 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00
Brindle, Margaret 10139.00 4343.00 0.00 137.49 550.35 0.00 0.00 15169.84
Britcliffe, Peter 10139.00 0.00 377.65 211.20 3.85 10.00 180.00 10921.70
Brown, Ken 10139.00 0.00 1485.90 0.00 0.00 30.00 0.00 11654.90
Brown, Terry 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00
Calvert, Mike 10139.00 15924.00 5389.80 623.41 0.00 0.00 0.00 32076.21
Case, Pat 10139.00 6062.48 103.36 23.03 0.00 0.00 0.00 16327.87
Chapman, Sam 10139.00 2895.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 13034.00
Charles, Susie 10139.00 15924.00 3882.45 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 29945.45
Chris Coates 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00
Craig-Wilson, Fabian 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00
Crompton, Carl 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00
Cropper, William 10139.00 0.00 1615.90 318.70 0.00 0.00 0.00 12073.60
De Molfetta, Frank 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00
Derwent, Shelagh 10139.00 2359.45 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 12498.45
Devaney, Michael 10139.00 8686.00 1617.15 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 20442.15
Driver, Geoffrey 10139.00 28953.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 39092.00
Eaton, James 10139.00 0.00 700.05 56.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10895.05
Ellard, Kevin 10139.00 4100.70 396.50 0.00 43.50 22.90 0.00 14702.60
Evans, Carolyn 10139.00 5067.00 3351.29 78.44 0.00 75.00 0.00 18710.73
Evans, Peter 10139.00 0.00 293.80 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10432.80
Fishwick, Sarah 10139.00 0.00 2300.35 0.00 17.75 52.30 0.00 12509.40
France, Mike 10139.00 7962.00 1955.85 437.24 24.50 15.53 0.00 20534.12
Green, Michael 10139.00 15924.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 26063.00
Grunshaw, Clive 10139.00 2218.11 1435.20 335.00 8.00 0.00 0.00 14135.31
Hanson, Janice 10139.00 2895.00 2248.77 107.43 0.00 0.00 0.00 15390.20
Hassan Misfar 10139.00 0.00 92.95 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10231.95
Well done Stop Backenders ! You have highlighted my point brilliantly !
The article refers to Blackburn with Darwen Borough Councillors. You have listed Lancashire County Councillors.
Now compare the two sets of allowances.
You will find that BwD Councillors receive a lot less despite having more responsibilities in terms of service provision.
This illustrates my point that BwD Councillors are the lowest 'paid' in the country (except for Rutland)..
No it shows just how much greed is going on in the council and government
[quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stop Backenders[/bold] wrote: Payments made to county councillors and co-opted members under the 2011/12 Members' Allowance Scheme Councillor Basic Pay SRA Mileage Subsistance Public Trans Incidental Carers Allowance Total Adam, George 10139.00 0.00 1192.10 16.49 0.00 14.50 0.00 11362.09 Aldridge, Terry 10139.00 0.00 1011.23 76.51 0.00 0.00 0.00 11226.74 Ashton, Timothy 10139.00 15924.00 4343.30 1598.19 172.95 281.90 0.00 32459.34 Askew, George 10139.00 0.00 268.30 40.43 0.00 0.00 0.00 10447.73 Atkinson, Albert 10139.00 20267.00 6572.15 669.72 0.00 88.10 0.00 37735.97 Bailey, Keith 10139.00 3402.00 3190.20 0.00 0.00 6.00 0.00 16737.20 Bailey, Robert 10139.00 0.00 257.40 40.74 0.00 0.00 0.00 10437.14 Barron, Malcom 10139.00 7962.00 1259.70 436.04 51.40 17.90 0.00 19866.04 Blow, Renee 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00 Briggs, Charlie 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00 Brindle, Margaret 10139.00 4343.00 0.00 137.49 550.35 0.00 0.00 15169.84 Britcliffe, Peter 10139.00 0.00 377.65 211.20 3.85 10.00 180.00 10921.70 Brown, Ken 10139.00 0.00 1485.90 0.00 0.00 30.00 0.00 11654.90 Brown, Terry 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00 Calvert, Mike 10139.00 15924.00 5389.80 623.41 0.00 0.00 0.00 32076.21 Case, Pat 10139.00 6062.48 103.36 23.03 0.00 0.00 0.00 16327.87 Chapman, Sam 10139.00 2895.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 13034.00 Charles, Susie 10139.00 15924.00 3882.45 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 29945.45 Chris Coates 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00 Craig-Wilson, Fabian 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00 Crompton, Carl 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00 Cropper, William 10139.00 0.00 1615.90 318.70 0.00 0.00 0.00 12073.60 De Molfetta, Frank 10139.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10139.00 Derwent, Shelagh 10139.00 2359.45 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 12498.45 Devaney, Michael 10139.00 8686.00 1617.15 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 20442.15 Driver, Geoffrey 10139.00 28953.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 39092.00 Eaton, James 10139.00 0.00 700.05 56.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10895.05 Ellard, Kevin 10139.00 4100.70 396.50 0.00 43.50 22.90 0.00 14702.60 Evans, Carolyn 10139.00 5067.00 3351.29 78.44 0.00 75.00 0.00 18710.73 Evans, Peter 10139.00 0.00 293.80 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10432.80 Fishwick, Sarah 10139.00 0.00 2300.35 0.00 17.75 52.30 0.00 12509.40 France, Mike 10139.00 7962.00 1955.85 437.24 24.50 15.53 0.00 20534.12 Green, Michael 10139.00 15924.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 26063.00 Grunshaw, Clive 10139.00 2218.11 1435.20 335.00 8.00 0.00 0.00 14135.31 Hanson, Janice 10139.00 2895.00 2248.77 107.43 0.00 0.00 0.00 15390.20 Hassan Misfar 10139.00 0.00 92.95 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 10231.95[/p][/quote]Well done Stop Backenders ! You have highlighted my point brilliantly ! The article refers to Blackburn with Darwen Borough Councillors. You have listed Lancashire County Councillors. Now compare the two sets of allowances. You will find that BwD Councillors receive a lot less despite having more responsibilities in terms of service provision. This illustrates my point that BwD Councillors are the lowest 'paid' in the country (except for Rutland)..[/p][/quote]No it shows just how much greed is going on in the council and government Stop Backenders
  • Score: 5

10:41am Sat 11 May 13

Stop Backenders says...

english rose 1 wrote:
Stop Backenders wrote:
How much an hour
Doh !! It depends on how many hours. On average a BwD Councillor spends about 25 hours a week on Council work. And are 'paid' on average about £7.5k (before tax & NI).
So that's £7,500 divide by 52 = £144 per week..
So that's £5.76 an hour, - which is less than the minimum wage.
Doh !! It depends on how many hours. On average a BwD Councillor spends about 25 hours a week on Council work. And are 'paid' on average about £7.5k (before tax & NI).
So that's £7,500 divide by 52 = £144 per week..
So that's £5.76 an hour, - which is less than the minimum wage.

Doh !! one minute it was £70.00 and now its £145.00 make your mind up.

Funny in all these government and council jobs we never get a proper break down for all things claimed for?

£144.00 per week for 25 hours work plus pension and more than likely a second income coming in you ungrateful greedy parasites’ get back in your big cesspit.

This is the new minimum wage £2.65 for 40 "hours for most of the people today if you haven’t got a government job,” wonder why”.

Do not come back to me and say it is an apprenticeship because it is not its cheap labour.

Trades are apprenticeships’ not working in a cafe or stacking shelves at some big supermarket store.

This has been brought in by the back door, “by the government”, While Rich employees can exploit the young by not paying them the right wage

This gives them a profit of over £100.00 per week, by not paying the going rate plus an income of £1,500 for taking them on paid by the taxpayer.

But people like councilors sucking up to their party leaders with their big fat expense known as a second wage to normal people ignore this cheap labor wage because it doesn’t affect them if it did all hell would break loose.

You make me sick winging about your minimum wage its a dam site more then what thousands of young people are having to work for and pay their way with this new government Apprentice wage scam £2.65 an hour for 40 hours of hard graft working in a job with no work skills needed .

These are not apprentice jobs, they have existed for decades without any apprentice training needed, and used to pay the going rate of pay so you councilors take your filthy money and shove it were the sun doesn’t shine you disgust me with your pure greed and self gain.
[quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stop Backenders[/bold] wrote: How much an hour[/p][/quote]Doh !! It depends on how many hours. On average a BwD Councillor spends about 25 hours a week on Council work. And are 'paid' on average about £7.5k (before tax & NI). So that's £7,500 divide by 52 = £144 per week.. So that's £5.76 an hour, - which is less than the minimum wage.[/p][/quote]Doh !! It depends on how many hours. On average a BwD Councillor spends about 25 hours a week on Council work. And are 'paid' on average about £7.5k (before tax & NI). So that's £7,500 divide by 52 = £144 per week.. So that's £5.76 an hour, - which is less than the minimum wage. Doh !! one minute it was £70.00 and now its £145.00 make your mind up. Funny in all these government and council jobs we never get a proper break down for all things claimed for? £144.00 per week for 25 hours work plus pension and more than likely a second income coming in you ungrateful greedy parasites’ get back in your big cesspit. This is the new minimum wage £2.65 for 40 "hours for most of the people today if you haven’t got a government job,” wonder why”. Do not come back to me and say it is an apprenticeship because it is not its cheap labour. Trades are apprenticeships’ not working in a cafe or stacking shelves at some big supermarket store. This has been brought in by the back door, “by the government”, While Rich employees can exploit the young by not paying them the right wage This gives them a profit of over £100.00 per week, by not paying the going rate plus an income of £1,500 for taking them on paid by the taxpayer. But people like councilors sucking up to their party leaders with their big fat expense known as a second wage to normal people ignore this cheap labor wage because it doesn’t affect them if it did all hell would break loose. You make me sick winging about your minimum wage its a dam site more then what thousands of young people are having to work for and pay their way with this new government Apprentice wage scam £2.65 an hour for 40 hours of hard graft working in a job with no work skills needed . These are not apprentice jobs, they have existed for decades without any apprentice training needed, and used to pay the going rate of pay so you councilors take your filthy money and shove it were the sun doesn’t shine you disgust me with your pure greed and self gain. Stop Backenders
  • Score: 4

11:15am Sat 11 May 13

Stop Backenders says...

This is what you get when you move up the ladder of greed

Their average wage is £60,000 – £100,000 if not more Plus Pension
would a person employed and having to travel away to do business receive these benefit handouts no.

Heres one local MPs Expenses
Summary of Claims 2011-2012
Accommodation £18,982.68
Office Costs £16,133.82 Free newspapers as well over £40 per day sometimes.

Staffing £4,800.00
Travel £5,416.37 You will be amazed cannot get full break down hidden for some reason like everything else.
Total £45,332.87

Accommodation Some Bills Paid Per month
Accommodation Rent other words interest on mortgage £17,033.65 per year That's Over £1,000 per month what a joke

Council Tax yes £1,486.98 Paid in full what a joke
Electricity yes £316.55 Paid in full what a joke
Television License yes £145.50 Paid in full what a joke
one big expensive joke
Salary
Basic Salary
£65,738.00
This is what you get when you move up the ladder of greed Their average wage is £60,000 – £100,000 if not more Plus Pension would a person employed and having to travel away to do business receive these benefit handouts no. Heres one local MPs Expenses Summary of Claims 2011-2012 Accommodation £18,982.68 Office Costs £16,133.82 Free newspapers as well over £40 per day sometimes. Staffing £4,800.00 Travel £5,416.37 You will be amazed cannot get full break down hidden for some reason like everything else. Total £45,332.87 Accommodation Some Bills Paid Per month Accommodation Rent other words interest on mortgage £17,033.65 per year That's Over £1,000 per month what a joke Council Tax yes £1,486.98 Paid in full what a joke Electricity yes £316.55 Paid in full what a joke Television License yes £145.50 Paid in full what a joke one big expensive joke Salary Basic Salary £65,738.00 Stop Backenders
  • Score: 7

4:58pm Sat 11 May 13

hasslem hasslem says...

Stop Backenders wrote:
This is what you get when you move up the ladder of greed

Their average wage is £60,000 – £100,000 if not more Plus Pension
would a person employed and having to travel away to do business receive these benefit handouts no.

Heres one local MPs Expenses
Summary of Claims 2011-2012
Accommodation £18,982.68
Office Costs £16,133.82 Free newspapers as well over £40 per day sometimes.

Staffing £4,800.00
Travel £5,416.37 You will be amazed cannot get full break down hidden for some reason like everything else.
Total £45,332.87

Accommodation Some Bills Paid Per month
Accommodation Rent other words interest on mortgage £17,033.65 per year That's Over £1,000 per month what a joke

Council Tax yes £1,486.98 Paid in full what a joke
Electricity yes £316.55 Paid in full what a joke
Television License yes £145.50 Paid in full what a joke
one big expensive joke
Salary
Basic Salary
£65,738.00
what's your point this is for an mp - not a councillor.

mps are full time employees and the salary is nothing in comparison to the likes of doctors, dentists, headmasters, lawyers etc and it is not exactly a stable job and they are required to look after the interest of 100k plus people - a bit more than some kid serving bacon sarnies in a caravan
[quote][p][bold]Stop Backenders[/bold] wrote: This is what you get when you move up the ladder of greed Their average wage is £60,000 – £100,000 if not more Plus Pension would a person employed and having to travel away to do business receive these benefit handouts no. Heres one local MPs Expenses Summary of Claims 2011-2012 Accommodation £18,982.68 Office Costs £16,133.82 Free newspapers as well over £40 per day sometimes. Staffing £4,800.00 Travel £5,416.37 You will be amazed cannot get full break down hidden for some reason like everything else. Total £45,332.87 Accommodation Some Bills Paid Per month Accommodation Rent other words interest on mortgage £17,033.65 per year That's Over £1,000 per month what a joke Council Tax yes £1,486.98 Paid in full what a joke Electricity yes £316.55 Paid in full what a joke Television License yes £145.50 Paid in full what a joke one big expensive joke Salary Basic Salary £65,738.00[/p][/quote]what's your point this is for an mp - not a councillor. mps are full time employees and the salary is nothing in comparison to the likes of doctors, dentists, headmasters, lawyers etc and it is not exactly a stable job and they are required to look after the interest of 100k plus people - a bit more than some kid serving bacon sarnies in a caravan hasslem hasslem
  • Score: -7

9:11pm Sat 11 May 13

english rose 1 says...

Stop Backenders said ''Funny in all these government and council jobs we never get a proper break down for all things claimed for?''

Wrong Backenders ! - ALL councillor expenses are outlined in full on the Council website. And are published in the LT annually.

Most Councillors are not in the local govt pension scheme. Those that are pay in the going rate of 6-7% of their allowances.

If it's so lucrative why don't YOU stand for election rather than staying on your £2.65 an hour wage ???
If it's so lucrative why are folk niot queuing up to stand for the Council ?

C'mon Backender - are you afraid of a bit of hard work to become a RICH councillor ?!!! Just imagine the LUXURY you could live in being paid £144 per week !
Stop Backenders said ''Funny in all these government and council jobs we never get a proper break down for all things claimed for?'' Wrong Backenders ! - ALL councillor expenses are outlined in full on the Council website. And are published in the LT annually. Most Councillors are not in the local govt pension scheme. Those that are pay in the going rate of 6-7% of their allowances. If it's so lucrative why don't YOU stand for election rather than staying on your £2.65 an hour wage ??? If it's so lucrative why are folk niot queuing up to stand for the Council ? C'mon Backender - are you afraid of a bit of hard work to become a RICH councillor ?!!! Just imagine the LUXURY you could live in being paid £144 per week ! english rose 1
  • Score: -7

3:41pm Sun 12 May 13

Stop Backenders says...

english rose 1 wrote:
Stop Backenders said ''Funny in all these government and council jobs we never get a proper break down for all things claimed for?''

Wrong Backenders ! - ALL councillor expenses are outlined in full on the Council website. And are published in the LT annually.

Most Councillors are not in the local govt pension scheme. Those that are pay in the going rate of 6-7% of their allowances.

If it's so lucrative why don't YOU stand for election rather than staying on your £2.65 an hour wage ???
If it's so lucrative why are folk niot queuing up to stand for the Council ?

C'mon Backender - are you afraid of a bit of hard work to become a RICH councillor ?!!! Just imagine the LUXURY you could live in being paid £144 per week !
Wrong Backenders ! - ALL councillor expenses are outlined in full on the Council website. And are published in the LT annually.

OK print the full break down with receipts not the cost over a year
They do not give the full breakdown of every cost do your homework before spouting off

Here is one for the greedy ones grapping the pension.

In some local authorities rising pay and pensions
Suggest councillors are increasingly being treated as,” professional politicians”. Earlier Taxpayers' Alliance research revealed that there are,” 4,529 councillors”, enrolled on Local Government Pension Schemes.

How many did you say looks like most of them have a piece of the pie ?
Wonder Why?

DO has much sucking up to the councillors as you like they all **** in the same boat at the end of the day when it comes to them losing money never anybody else.

Your too greedy and out of touch with the working people to understand the meaning of this new Apprentice £2.65 wage just like the councillors that your support.

PS No I am not on £2.65 an hour for 40 hours of work but the unlucky ones that are will get my upmost respect more than these councillors winging over their pay and expenses perk.

If they are that hard done by, tell them all to find another Job that pays £144.00 per week for 25 hours work with a cheap Government pension thrown in as well as the other expenses. When they do wake up and get in the real world of poverty let all these people on for less wages and longer hours know,” that’s one vote you could count on”.

I hope they choke on their meal expenses yes feed and pay down at the trough how hard done by is that
[quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: Stop Backenders said ''Funny in all these government and council jobs we never get a proper break down for all things claimed for?'' Wrong Backenders ! - ALL councillor expenses are outlined in full on the Council website. And are published in the LT annually. Most Councillors are not in the local govt pension scheme. Those that are pay in the going rate of 6-7% of their allowances. If it's so lucrative why don't YOU stand for election rather than staying on your £2.65 an hour wage ??? If it's so lucrative why are folk niot queuing up to stand for the Council ? C'mon Backender - are you afraid of a bit of hard work to become a RICH councillor ?!!! Just imagine the LUXURY you could live in being paid £144 per week ![/p][/quote]Wrong Backenders ! - ALL councillor expenses are outlined in full on the Council website. And are published in the LT annually. OK print the full break down with receipts not the cost over a year They do not give the full breakdown of every cost do your homework before spouting off Here is one for the greedy ones grapping the pension. In some local authorities rising pay and pensions Suggest councillors are increasingly being treated as,” professional politicians”. Earlier Taxpayers' Alliance research revealed that there are,” 4,529 councillors”, enrolled on Local Government Pension Schemes. How many did you say looks like most of them have a piece of the pie ? Wonder Why? DO has much sucking up to the councillors as you like they all **** in the same boat at the end of the day when it comes to them losing money never anybody else. Your too greedy and out of touch with the working people to understand the meaning of this new Apprentice £2.65 wage just like the councillors that your support. PS No I am not on £2.65 an hour for 40 hours of work but the unlucky ones that are will get my upmost respect more than these councillors winging over their pay and expenses perk. If they are that hard done by, tell them all to find another Job that pays £144.00 per week for 25 hours work with a cheap Government pension thrown in as well as the other expenses. When they do wake up and get in the real world of poverty let all these people on for less wages and longer hours know,” that’s one vote you could count on”. I hope they choke on their meal expenses yes feed and pay down at the trough how hard done by is that Stop Backenders
  • Score: 7

5:00pm Sun 12 May 13

Stop Backenders says...

english rose 1 wrote:
Stop Backenders wrote:
How much an hour
Doh !! It depends on how many hours. On average a BwD Councillor spends about 25 hours a week on Council work. And are 'paid' on average about £7.5k (before tax & NI).
So that's £7,500 divide by 52 = £144 per week..
So that's £5.76 an hour, - which is less than the minimum wage.
English rose you said
“There is no full time job that pays anything like the low rate that councillors get.”
I said, how much an hour?
You said,
“Doh !! It depends on how many hours”,. On average a BwD Councillor spends about 25 hours a week on Council work. And are 'paid' on average about £7.5k (before tax & NI).
So that's £7,500 divide by 52 = £144 per week..
So that's £5.76 an hour, - which is less than the minimum wage.

May be because they are part time hours for part time councillors, how can that be less than the minimum wage.
It is more then the minimum wage if you work the normal working hours out whoops aren’t we a Billy bull----

I bet all these unemployed people living in the real world looking for work at the job centres would love these part-time hours with all the benefits thrown in.

you tell me were some one can find a job for 25 hours not 40 hours and are paid the same wage £7.5k yes I’m not dreaming £7.5k with all the benefits thrown in.

You and your councillor friends need to take a trip down to the job centre and, “get out of your dream world that you are all living in”.
[quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stop Backenders[/bold] wrote: How much an hour[/p][/quote]Doh !! It depends on how many hours. On average a BwD Councillor spends about 25 hours a week on Council work. And are 'paid' on average about £7.5k (before tax & NI). So that's £7,500 divide by 52 = £144 per week.. So that's £5.76 an hour, - which is less than the minimum wage.[/p][/quote]English rose you said “There is no full time job that pays anything like the low rate that councillors get.” I said, how much an hour? You said, “Doh !! It depends on how many hours”,. On average a BwD Councillor spends about 25 hours a week on Council work. And are 'paid' on average about £7.5k (before tax & NI). So that's £7,500 divide by 52 = £144 per week.. So that's £5.76 an hour, - which is less than the minimum wage. May be because they are part time hours for part time councillors, how can that be less than the minimum wage. It is more then the minimum wage if you work the normal working hours out whoops aren’t we a Billy bull---- I bet all these unemployed people living in the real world looking for work at the job centres would love these part-time hours with all the benefits thrown in. you tell me were some one can find a job for 25 hours not 40 hours and are paid the same wage £7.5k yes I’m not dreaming £7.5k with all the benefits thrown in. You and your councillor friends need to take a trip down to the job centre and, “get out of your dream world that you are all living in”. Stop Backenders
  • Score: 6

5:30pm Sun 12 May 13

A Darener says...

If you want a full time job paying way under the minimum wage try being a Carer at home looking after someone. It's a pittance!
If you want a full time job paying way under the minimum wage try being a Carer at home looking after someone. It's a pittance! A Darener
  • Score: 1

3:45pm Mon 13 May 13

pm1960 says...

backenders - your main beef seems not to be the fact that BwD Councillors are virtually the lowest 'paid' in the country (amongst unitaries & counties), nor that only a small minority of councillors are in the local Govt pension scheme.
*
Your main gripe is that the minimum wage for young apprentices is only £2.65. I would certainly agree it should be much higher - so why don't you campaign for the Govt to increase this instead of moaning that everyone else is overpaid ?!
Why do u want to reduce everyone to the lowest common denominator ?
backenders - your main beef seems not to be the fact that BwD Councillors are virtually the lowest 'paid' in the country (amongst unitaries & counties), nor that only a small minority of councillors are in the local Govt pension scheme. * Your main gripe is that the minimum wage for young apprentices is only £2.65. I would certainly agree it should be much higher - so why don't you campaign for the Govt to increase this instead of moaning that everyone else is overpaid ?! Why do u want to reduce everyone to the lowest common denominator ? pm1960
  • Score: -3

6:26pm Mon 13 May 13

district01 says...

Doh!! It was only during the weekend that the penny finally dropped!
I suppose it’s very true what they say about getting what you pay for. So if BwD councillors are some of the lowest paid as red rose 1 has kindly pointed out then that must be the problem. After all said and done you only get what you pay for don’t you!
Doh!! It was only during the weekend that the penny finally dropped! I suppose it’s very true what they say about getting what you pay for. So if BwD councillors are some of the lowest paid as red rose 1 has kindly pointed out then that must be the problem. After all said and done you only get what you pay for don’t you! district01
  • Score: 5

1:46pm Tue 14 May 13

Progressive Penguin says...

Stop Backenders wrote:
english rose 1 wrote:
Stop Backenders wrote: How much an hour
Doh !! It depends on how many hours. On average a BwD Councillor spends about 25 hours a week on Council work. And are 'paid' on average about £7.5k (before tax & NI). So that's £7,500 divide by 52 = £144 per week.. So that's £5.76 an hour, - which is less than the minimum wage.
English rose you said “There is no full time job that pays anything like the low rate that councillors get.” I said, how much an hour? You said, “Doh !! It depends on how many hours”,. On average a BwD Councillor spends about 25 hours a week on Council work. And are 'paid' on average about £7.5k (before tax & NI). So that's £7,500 divide by 52 = £144 per week.. So that's £5.76 an hour, - which is less than the minimum wage. May be because they are part time hours for part time councillors, how can that be less than the minimum wage. It is more then the minimum wage if you work the normal working hours out whoops aren’t we a Billy bull---- I bet all these unemployed people living in the real world looking for work at the job centres would love these part-time hours with all the benefits thrown in. you tell me were some one can find a job for 25 hours not 40 hours and are paid the same wage £7.5k yes I’m not dreaming £7.5k with all the benefits thrown in. You and your councillor friends need to take a trip down to the job centre and, “get out of your dream world that you are all living in”.
eh???

You do get that the minimum wage is paid "hourly" righty? so part time hours or full time hours makes no difference to the rate being paid

Your posts are increasingly nonsensical and if anyone needs to get out into the "real" world then its you
[quote][p][bold]Stop Backenders[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stop Backenders[/bold] wrote: How much an hour[/p][/quote]Doh !! It depends on how many hours. On average a BwD Councillor spends about 25 hours a week on Council work. And are 'paid' on average about £7.5k (before tax & NI). So that's £7,500 divide by 52 = £144 per week.. So that's £5.76 an hour, - which is less than the minimum wage.[/p][/quote]English rose you said “There is no full time job that pays anything like the low rate that councillors get.” I said, how much an hour? You said, “Doh !! It depends on how many hours”,. On average a BwD Councillor spends about 25 hours a week on Council work. And are 'paid' on average about £7.5k (before tax & NI). So that's £7,500 divide by 52 = £144 per week.. So that's £5.76 an hour, - which is less than the minimum wage. May be because they are part time hours for part time councillors, how can that be less than the minimum wage. It is more then the minimum wage if you work the normal working hours out whoops aren’t we a Billy bull---- I bet all these unemployed people living in the real world looking for work at the job centres would love these part-time hours with all the benefits thrown in. you tell me were some one can find a job for 25 hours not 40 hours and are paid the same wage £7.5k yes I’m not dreaming £7.5k with all the benefits thrown in. You and your councillor friends need to take a trip down to the job centre and, “get out of your dream world that you are all living in”.[/p][/quote]eh??? You do get that the minimum wage is paid "hourly" righty? so part time hours or full time hours makes no difference to the rate being paid Your posts are increasingly nonsensical and if anyone needs to get out into the "real" world then its you Progressive Penguin
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