Lancashire halal meat query goes to the top (From Lancashire Telegraph)

What is the actual need to know which schools were involved, xhit happens so what get on with it there are a lot more problems to deal with than this. What benefit would it be to know which schools were involved..........or is this a buildup to some form of compensation scheme ?

'Demanding' to know. What use is knowing? Newsflash: You have most likely eaten it, You most likely have some of it still in your freezers. Just looking for compensation. Always a scheme!

So, the Halal situation goes " to the top", whereas the rest of those affected are second class?

We let this happen to our own Country....

So, the Halal situation goes " to the top", whereas the rest of those affected are second class?

The Asian takeaways in the area are remaining very silent on this one.
No guarantee about the quality of the meat they sell in their hamburgers, and pizzas.
Or can we ask Lancashire County Council, to start checking what kind of meat they sell?
It's surprising how Asian people start jumping up and down regarding other places where food is sold, but don't give any guarantee about their own outlets.
You could say, you can check everybody else, but if you check me, I will say it is racial.

Lots of vocal representation from Muslims on this - it's very important to them.
Will be interesting to see how vociferous the Muslim community are when the next group of Muslim men are in court for crimes against children.

First of all the burgers were not made of horse meat, they contained horse meat.

The leader of the council of mosques has said that Asian children should stop eating school meals and take pack lunch.

Good for them, it will save the county thousands of £'s in free school meals.

There is nothing wrong in eating horse meat.
What is wrong is they have labelled the meat beef.

Stop trying to make a case for compensation and get on with life

Dec-blackbull wrote:
'Demanding' to know. What use is knowing? Newsflash: You have most likely eaten it, You most likely have some of it still in your freezers. Just looking for compensation. Always a scheme!

It is all about excercising power dec. A certain section of society just love having sticks to beat us. But like thermio and other posters have said, they can remarkably quite when it comes to matters like hygiene in kebab shops and takeaways, and other more important issues.

retsofad wrote:
First of all the burgers were not made of horse meat, they contained horse meat.

The leader of the council of mosques has said that Asian children should stop eating school meals and take pack lunch.

Good for them, it will save the county thousands of £'s in free school meals.

There is nothing wrong in eating horse meat.
What is wrong is they have labelled the meat beef.

Stop trying to make a case for compensation and get on with life

They will win at the end of the day and get what they want, because the government and councils apply different rules to certain people. Wait for the old cry of human rights abuse to pop up some were down the line

Tell us where ’ALL’ of the cruelly produced halal meat is sold is what I would like to know?

What‘s left unsold could be going anywhere and probably does. But you won‘t know. The meat industry, especially halal meat can be nothing but evil simply because of the harm to other living things that it causes. What sort of religions allow this to happen? The meat industry can never be trusted and as a result you can never be sure what your eating. Ever!

I am just waiting until one of these tests locates 'long pig' D.N.A. Then it will hit the fan.

Is there a problem because it's not halal or because it's horse meat?

Why is it the Muslim community must come 1st everytime?
Religion is dead science is proving the supreme being to be a myth everyday.
This is the 21st century. Get on with it and deal with it, I'm sick of living in a third word Britain
Mans inhumanity to mankind is man himself.

Council Committee Meeting
My final neigh on this my lord
The outcome could have been for worse; they could all have ended up with the trots.

useyourhead wrote:
I am just waiting until one of these tests locates 'long pig' D.N.A. Then it will hit the fan.

Like it

Stop Backenders wrote:
Council Committee Meeting
My final neigh on this my lord
The outcome could have been for worse; they could all have ended up with the trots.

Then were would we be? -- --- ----

The Council buy the Meat from approved Halal Companies !
To be an approved Halal supplier , you obviously must conform to the ritual slaughter of the animal, by a Muslim, saying a prayer whilst it is being inhumanely slaughtered!
Therefore, it stands to reason, that if non Halal meat or Horse meat or Pork is found in the meat supplied, then it must be the fault of their own kind ! They are poisoning themselves, and it is not a fault of the Council or the Government , it must be Muslim suppliers giving the contaminated meat to Muslim users ! End Of !

Bootneck wrote:
The Council buy the Meat from approved Halal Companies !
To be an approved Halal supplier , you obviously must conform to the ritual slaughter of the animal, by a Muslim, saying a prayer whilst it is being inhumanely slaughtered!
Therefore, it stands to reason, that if non Halal meat or Horse meat or Pork is found in the meat supplied, then it must be the fault of their own kind ! They are poisoning themselves, and it is not a fault of the Council or the Government , it must be Muslim suppliers giving the contaminated meat to Muslim users ! End Of !

Bang on!
You cannot have them blaming their fellow Muslims it is against their beliefs; they want a skape goat again for their own wrongdoing.

East_lancs_lad wrote:
What is the actual need to know which schools were involved, xhit happens so what get on with it there are a lot more problems to deal with than this. What benefit would it be to know which schools were involved..........or is this a buildup to some form of compensation scheme ?

Just a thought
I wonder if someone is after more planning permission as a deal to keep quiet.

the lcm don't actually represent ALL muslims, just those that are affiliated to their little lobbying group, so when their Chairman Salim Mulla says the body is representing Lancashire’s Muslims, it isn't strictly true.

P.S. If one of the lcm's aims and objectives are to 'represent the islamic viewpoint' - how can the rest of us expect them to open minded when in dialogue with local councils and other organisations?

Stop Backenders wrote:

Bootneck wrote:
The Council buy the Meat from approved Halal Companies !
To be an approved Halal supplier , you obviously must conform to the ritual slaughter of the animal, by a Muslim, saying a prayer whilst it is being inhumanely slaughtered!
Therefore, it stands to reason, that if non Halal meat or Horse meat or Pork is found in the meat supplied, then it must be the fault of their own kind ! They are poisoning themselves, and it is not a fault of the Council or the Government , it must be Muslim suppliers giving the contaminated meat to Muslim users ! End Of !

Bang on!
You cannot have them blaming their fellow Muslims it is against their beliefs; they want a skape goat again for their own wrongdoing.

Absolutely spot on!

Although a muslim would never do that to another muslim so it must be the fault of the non-muslim.

Rumpole wrote:

Stop Backenders wrote:

Bootneck wrote:
The Council buy the Meat from approved Halal Companies !
To be an approved Halal supplier , you obviously must conform to the ritual slaughter of the animal, by a Muslim, saying a prayer whilst it is being inhumanely slaughtered!
Therefore, it stands to reason, that if non Halal meat or Horse meat or Pork is found in the meat supplied, then it must be the fault of their own kind ! They are poisoning themselves, and it is not a fault of the Council or the Government , it must be Muslim suppliers giving the contaminated meat to Muslim users ! End Of !

Bang on!
You cannot have them blaming their fellow Muslims it is against their beliefs; they want a skape goat again for their own wrongdoing.

Absolutely spot on!

Although a muslim would never do that to another muslim so it must be the fault of the non-muslim.

The ones buying and repackaging it don't need to be muslims, could be anyone, a recent track on a batch of meat on tv showed it pass through about eight business and four or five countries before reaching the public plates.

useyourhead wrote:

Rumpole wrote:

Stop Backenders wrote:

Bootneck wrote:
The Council buy the Meat from approved Halal Companies !
To be an approved Halal supplier , you obviously must conform to the ritual slaughter of the animal, by a Muslim, saying a prayer whilst it is being inhumanely slaughtered!
Therefore, it stands to reason, that if non Halal meat or Horse meat or Pork is found in the meat supplied, then it must be the fault of their own kind ! They are poisoning themselves, and it is not a fault of the Council or the Government , it must be Muslim suppliers giving the contaminated meat to Muslim users ! End Of !

Bang on!
You cannot have them blaming their fellow Muslims it is against their beliefs; they want a skape goat again for their own wrongdoing.

Absolutely spot on!

Although a muslim would never do that to another muslim so it must be the fault of the non-muslim.

The ones buying and repackaging it don't need to be muslims, could be anyone, a recent track on a batch of meat on tv showed it pass through about eight business and four or five countries before reaching the public plates.

Point taken, until proved guilty but it is still wrong for the council and government fast tracking this case because certain Ethnic Majorities demand it.
Would the government and Council fast track this case, if it was not from the Council of Mosques somehow I do not think they would.

useyourhead wrote:

Rumpole wrote:

Stop Backenders wrote:

Bootneck wrote:
The Council buy the Meat from approved Halal Companies !
To be an approved Halal supplier , you obviously must conform to the ritual slaughter of the animal, by a Muslim, saying a prayer whilst it is being inhumanely slaughtered!
Therefore, it stands to reason, that if non Halal meat or Horse meat or Pork is found in the meat supplied, then it must be the fault of their own kind ! They are poisoning themselves, and it is not a fault of the Council or the Government , it must be Muslim suppliers giving the contaminated meat to Muslim users ! End Of !

Bang on!
You cannot have them blaming their fellow Muslims it is against their beliefs; they want a skape goat again for their own wrongdoing.

Absolutely spot on!

Although a muslim would never do that to another muslim so it must be the fault of the non-muslim.

The ones buying and repackaging it don't need to be muslims, could be anyone, a recent track on a batch of meat on tv showed it pass through about eight business and four or five countries before reaching the public plates.

So you think just because it passes through so many businesses and countries there is no way it could have been contaminated at source?

Ever wondered why it passes through so many businesses and countries in the first place?

Hmm let me see, this is the UK, where once all schools had something like 99.99% white English children who paid for school dinners and got quality food....is this is result of opening the door to far too many immigrants who now claim state benefits and probably free dinners oh and free bus rides as well, whilst being the proud owner of a Merc and probably a house in the posh part of town....you know what folks, you don't like it, nobody is forcing you to stay, go back from where you came, you will soon realise which side your bread is buttered on and horsemeat might not seem that bad.

Agree with all this but just to be clear LCC does not provide meat unless the animal was stunned before slaughter. That's what this is all about. The LCM aren't happy with Conservative LCC decision to stop this outrageous practice. They persuaded Labour to do it but the Tories have stopped it. And it is still certified as halal and accepted by most Muslims. The LCM is living in the (long distant) past.

Rumpole wrote:

useyourhead wrote:

Rumpole wrote:

Stop Backenders wrote:

Bootneck wrote:
The Council buy the Meat from approved Halal Companies !
To be an approved Halal supplier , you obviously must conform to the ritual slaughter of the animal, by a Muslim, saying a prayer whilst it is being inhumanely slaughtered!
Therefore, it stands to reason, that if non Halal meat or Horse meat or Pork is found in the meat supplied, then it must be the fault of their own kind ! They are poisoning themselves, and it is not a fault of the Council or the Government , it must be Muslim suppliers giving the contaminated meat to Muslim users ! End Of !

Bang on!
You cannot have them blaming their fellow Muslims it is against their beliefs; they want a skape goat again for their own wrongdoing.

Absolutely spot on!

Although a muslim would never do that to another muslim so it must be the fault of the non-muslim.

The ones buying and repackaging it don't need to be muslims, could be anyone, a recent track on a batch of meat on tv showed it pass through about eight business and four or five countries before reaching the public plates.

So you think just because it passes through so many businesses and countries there is no way it could have been contaminated at source?

Ever wondered why it passes through so many businesses and countries in the first place?

The suppliers were not muslim companies but meat supplied as halal and found to contain pork DNA to prisons was supplied by McColgan's Quality Foods, and schools supplied by Glendale Foods, technical director, Stuart Newman, and certified by Halal Authority Board (HAB), and approved by Halal Food Authority (HFA), whose chairman Khwajah Massoud accepted, 'what was halal was not dictated by any organisation and any specific meat considered halal was interpreted according to the Quran'. How he translated the verse has been disputed by LCM. According to LCM meat allowed for muslim consumption must be slaughtered to Islamic law and not necessarily without stunning. To warrant Halal creditation the abbatoir employee must recite Quranic verse, similar to Jewish and Kosher ritual slaughter, prior to commencing butchery. If these short verses are not read, the meat cannot be certified as halal. Any meat distributed as halal, but isn't, the consumer eating the meat regards, what they are eating is halal, the wrong doing solely lies with the presenter of the meat, and the consumer will be innocent. LCM argues that because the suppliers were not from muslim companies and/or slaughtered by muslims, they would not recognise meat as halal.
In comparision a church sermon given by a Rabbi, or nammaz prayers led by a Vicar.
LCM insists they will urge parents to continue boycotting LCC school meals acredited by HFA and in recent weeks the number of parents abstaining from school meals has grown to all schools being disapproved, and a small number of schools have now begun to make their own arrangements to source a supply of halal meat from those nominated by LCM, and any supplier of halal products supplied to LCC must be those that LCM appoints..

Deuterronomy 12:15 ESV

''However, you may slaughter and eat meat within any of your towns, as much as you deisre, according to the blessing of the LORD your God that he has given you. The unclean and the clean may eat of it, as of the gazelle and as of the deer.

If the blood of a slaughtered animal not poured on the alter, it is to flow on the ground.(Deutoronomy 12:16; Ezekiel 18:4)

A basic belief of Abraham and Ishmael in Christianity, ritual slaughter continue to be practiced by Greek Orthrodox, the Jehovah's, local Catholics at the Byzantine church of Saint George, and elsewhere in the Holy Land.
During the killing, prayers are offered in the name of the father, son and the holy ghost.

Similarily the Abraham and Ischmael belief in Judaism, the Jewish community will adhere to the Torah for ritual slaughter and remain steadfast in their belief.

Muslims will obey Ebrahim and Ismail teachings according to Quran teachings as it has been interpreted. Many variations can be made from one verse but all sects agree that halal food can only be performed not by a 'Shahadah' reciter alone, but a person who faithfully beliefs in the verse.

sen c b l wrote:

Rumpole wrote:

useyourhead wrote:

Rumpole wrote:

Stop Backenders wrote:

Bootneck wrote:
The Council buy the Meat from approved Halal Companies !
To be an approved Halal supplier , you obviously must conform to the ritual slaughter of the animal, by a Muslim, saying a prayer whilst it is being inhumanely slaughtered!
Therefore, it stands to reason, that if non Halal meat or Horse meat or Pork is found in the meat supplied, then it must be the fault of their own kind ! They are poisoning themselves, and it is not a fault of the Council or the Government , it must be Muslim suppliers giving the contaminated meat to Muslim users ! End Of !

Bang on!
You cannot have them blaming their fellow Muslims it is against their beliefs; they want a skape goat again for their own wrongdoing.

Absolutely spot on!

Although a muslim would never do that to another muslim so it must be the fault of the non-muslim.

The ones buying and repackaging it don't need to be muslims, could be anyone, a recent track on a batch of meat on tv showed it pass through about eight business and four or five countries before reaching the public plates.

So you think just because it passes through so many businesses and countries there is no way it could have been contaminated at source?

Ever wondered why it passes through so many businesses and countries in the first place?

The suppliers were not muslim companies but meat supplied as halal and found to contain pork DNA to prisons was supplied by McColgan's Quality Foods, and schools supplied by Glendale Foods, technical director, Stuart Newman, and certified by Halal Authority Board (HAB), and approved by Halal Food Authority (HFA), whose chairman Khwajah Massoud accepted, 'what was halal was not dictated by any organisation and any specific meat considered halal was interpreted according to the Quran'. How he translated the verse has been disputed by LCM. According to LCM meat allowed for muslim consumption must be slaughtered to Islamic law and not necessarily without stunning. To warrant Halal creditation the abbatoir employee must recite Quranic verse, similar to Jewish and Kosher ritual slaughter, prior to commencing butchery. If these short verses are not read, the meat cannot be certified as halal. Any meat distributed as halal, but isn't, the consumer eating the meat regards, what they are eating is halal, the wrong doing solely lies with the presenter of the meat, and the consumer will be innocent. LCM argues that because the suppliers were not from muslim companies and/or slaughtered by muslims, they would not recognise meat as halal.
In comparision a church sermon given by a Rabbi, or nammaz prayers led by a Vicar.
LCM insists they will urge parents to continue boycotting LCC school meals acredited by HFA and in recent weeks the number of parents abstaining from school meals has grown to all schools being disapproved, and a small number of schools have now begun to make their own arrangements to source a supply of halal meat from those nominated by LCM, and any supplier of halal products supplied to LCC must be those that LCM appoints..

so the lcm wanted it to be a Muslim company?

All of their complaining is starting to make sense.

Well what else do you buffoons expect. Its taken all this time for all you empty heads to realise the basic fundamental principal of the meaning 'HALAL', and all along you've been posting comments!!!.
You morons are so dumb if they put your brain on the head of a pin it would roll around....

Unbelievable.

Absolutely JD - it's all about not stunning before slaughter. The LCM will eventually have to accept that they are dealing with a very different LCC from when they persuaded (forced?) Labour to agree to their barbaric practice. Well done Geoff Driver for standing up to them.

rilistic wrote:
Absolutely JD - it's all about not stunning before slaughter. The LCM will eventually have to accept that they are dealing with a very different LCC from when they persuaded (forced?) Labour to agree to their barbaric practice. Well done Geoff Driver for standing up to them.

Halal meat products continue to be available for sale at Halal butcher outlets, and Kosher meat and poultry in Prestwich, Cheetham and Salford, Manchester
Which planet do you live on???

rilistic wrote:
Absolutely JD - it's all about not stunning before slaughter. The LCM will eventually have to accept that they are dealing with a very different LCC from when they persuaded (forced?) Labour to agree to their barbaric practice. Well done Geoff Driver for standing up to them.

It's a minority of a minority trying to tell the county, and also the country, what is right and what is wrong.

What is good enough for the LCC and the Olympic organisers should be good enough for a minor lobbying group.

jack daniels wrote:

rilistic wrote:
Absolutely JD - it's all about not stunning before slaughter. The LCM will eventually have to accept that they are dealing with a very different LCC from when they persuaded (forced?) Labour to agree to their barbaric practice. Well done Geoff Driver for standing up to them.

It's a minority of a minority trying to tell the county, and also the country, what is right and what is wrong.

What is good enough for the LCC and the Olympic organisers should be good enough for a minor lobbying group.

This 'minority' really does know how to dictate the 'majority'.
...and taking into account the above inconsiderate comments...!

May well be Geoff Driver must be from one of your bunch. Ha!