Blackburn with Darwen cuts: Where the axe will fall

SWINGING AXE  Bosses at Blackburn Town Hall unveiled their final £28million cuts proposals

SWINGING AXE Bosses at Blackburn Town Hall unveiled their final £28million cuts proposals

First published in Blackburn Lancashire Telegraph: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter

MORE details on Blackburn with Darwen's £28million cuts proposals, which will see 1,000 jobs lost and hit vital services including adult and child care, road repairs and street sweeping.

The proposals are to be discussed at an executive meeting on Thursday night, before a final vote next month at the council's annual budget meeting.

Leisure and culture

King George’s Hall could close for three months in the year to cut costs.

Its programme will be reduced, particularly with regards to classical music.

There are no plans to shut any of the borough’s libraries, although the mobile service is to be scrapped.

This is likely to be strongly opposed in rural parts that rely on the service.

Opening hours will be reduced at the other libraries, and the new books budget will be slashed for next year.

Blackburn Museum and Turton Tower will open four days a week.

Darwen Live, the only festival to survive the cuts, will have its funding reduced.

Leisure centres will see their opening hours reduced, including fewer winter hours at Waves and some weekend closures.

The council will no longer manage any of the borough’s network of community centres.

Outdoor

Twenty play areas - around half of the borough’s total - could close, with reduced maintenance on those that remain.

Efforts will be focused on the parks with Green Flag status, Corporation Park, Roe Lee, Queen’s Park, Sunnyhurst Woods, Witton and Bold Venture Parks.

Four bowling greens will be closed and there will be no winter bowls.

Sports pitch provision will be reduced, with a potential impact on local fixtures.

Grass-cutting in parks will be reduced and stopped altogether on non council-owned land.

Bosses admit the cuts could lead to an increase in vandalism in the borough, with a number of play areas having recently been damaged in recent months.

Housing

Half of the housing department, 45 staff, could lose their jobs.

Following the end of the multi-million pound Housing Market Renewal programme, very few improvements to the borough’s stock will be possible, and there will be many fewer of the clearance programmes of dilapidated houses seen in recent years.

The affordable housing programme is being scaled back, with less new accommodation being built.

The council says this is ‘likely’ to lead to an increase in homelessness.

Proactive services, including repairs to elderly people’s houses and support for teenage parents and young homeless people, will be reduced.

Buses

The cuts will affect bus services that currently receive a council subsidy because they do not make a profit for the operator, Lancashire United. This will mostly affect rural communities, many of which rely on the bus for a connection to the town centres and vital services.

Eight bus routes will be stopped completely when the council withdraws its contribution, affecting Tockholes, Belmont, Edgworth, Shadsworth, and Higher Croft, as well as services to, and from, Royal Blackburn Hospital.

A further eight will run a reduced service, affecting Higher Croft, Sunnyhurst, Pleasington, and around Darwen.

Other

Pothole repairs will be scaled back, with bosses only able to treat areas deemed a danger to the public.

Around four miles of road will be removed from the resurfacing programme.

Street lights will be dimmed at night in up to half of all residential streets, and lampposts will not be replaced as often.

Inspections will not take place at night, with the public put in charge of reporting any faulty street lights.

Projects to boost employment and regeneration in the borough will be cut by 70 per cent following the demise of the North West Regional Development Agency.

Public protection work, including dealing with illegal alcohol, tobacco and firework sales, will be reduced, and the community safety budget has been cut by £1.4million.

Beat Sweep days, when police and council teams target a specific area, will be reduced, and the council’s ability to prevent domestic violence will be reduced because of a funding cut.

Charges will be increased for burials and cremations.

The number of editions of the council’s Shuttle newspaper will be reduced.

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10:30am Tue 8 Feb 11

wing commander bomber harris says...

"The number of editions of the council’s Shuttle newspaper will be reduced"

Not all doom and gloom then?
"The number of editions of the council’s Shuttle newspaper will be reduced" Not all doom and gloom then? wing commander bomber harris
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10:40am Tue 8 Feb 11

Noiticer says...

I hope those who voted Tory and Lib Dem reflect on this news and ask why their Government hasn't allowed a Council Tax rise this year which would have helped to mitigate some of the cuts.
Perhaps they could also explain why their Government allows £120 billions of tax evasion and avoidance - some of it quite legal, to continue and why it is about to reduce significantly the tax burden on the richest companies in the UK. And for good measure why the banks and bankers are still getting away with it.
I hope those who voted Tory and Lib Dem reflect on this news and ask why their Government hasn't allowed a Council Tax rise this year which would have helped to mitigate some of the cuts. Perhaps they could also explain why their Government allows £120 billions of tax evasion and avoidance - some of it quite legal, to continue and why it is about to reduce significantly the tax burden on the richest companies in the UK. And for good measure why the banks and bankers are still getting away with it. Noiticer
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10:49am Tue 8 Feb 11

wing commander bomber harris says...

Noiticer wrote:
I hope those who voted Tory and Lib Dem reflect on this news and ask why their Government hasn't allowed a Council Tax rise this year which would have helped to mitigate some of the cuts. Perhaps they could also explain why their Government allows £120 billions of tax evasion and avoidance - some of it quite legal, to continue and why it is about to reduce significantly the tax burden on the richest companies in the UK. And for good measure why the banks and bankers are still getting away with it.
well said, as always.
[quote][p][bold]Noiticer[/bold] wrote: I hope those who voted Tory and Lib Dem reflect on this news and ask why their Government hasn't allowed a Council Tax rise this year which would have helped to mitigate some of the cuts. Perhaps they could also explain why their Government allows £120 billions of tax evasion and avoidance - some of it quite legal, to continue and why it is about to reduce significantly the tax burden on the richest companies in the UK. And for good measure why the banks and bankers are still getting away with it.[/p][/quote]well said, as always. wing commander bomber harris
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11:09am Tue 8 Feb 11

Fantastic Mr Fox says...

Noiticer wrote:
I hope those who voted Tory and Lib Dem reflect on this news and ask why their Government hasn't allowed a Council Tax rise this year which would have helped to mitigate some of the cuts. Perhaps they could also explain why their Government allows £120 billions of tax evasion and avoidance - some of it quite legal, to continue and why it is about to reduce significantly the tax burden on the richest companies in the UK. And for good measure why the banks and bankers are still getting away with it.
If there was a council tax rise no doubt the council would be slated for it. Besides which, the government have given additional funding to those councils who have frozen their council tax which is equivalent to what a 2.5% council tax rise would have been.

It's outrageous that the most deprived areas are the ones having to make the biggest cuts.
[quote][p][bold]Noiticer[/bold] wrote: I hope those who voted Tory and Lib Dem reflect on this news and ask why their Government hasn't allowed a Council Tax rise this year which would have helped to mitigate some of the cuts. Perhaps they could also explain why their Government allows £120 billions of tax evasion and avoidance - some of it quite legal, to continue and why it is about to reduce significantly the tax burden on the richest companies in the UK. And for good measure why the banks and bankers are still getting away with it.[/p][/quote]If there was a council tax rise no doubt the council would be slated for it. Besides which, the government have given additional funding to those councils who have frozen their council tax which is equivalent to what a 2.5% council tax rise would have been. It's outrageous that the most deprived areas are the ones having to make the biggest cuts. Fantastic Mr Fox
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11:17am Tue 8 Feb 11

happycyclist says...

Noiticer wrote:
I hope those who voted Tory and Lib Dem reflect on this news and ask why their Government hasn't allowed a Council Tax rise this year which would have helped to mitigate some of the cuts.
Perhaps they could also explain why their Government allows £120 billions of tax evasion and avoidance - some of it quite legal, to continue and why it is about to reduce significantly the tax burden on the richest companies in the UK. And for good measure why the banks and bankers are still getting away with it.
More people on the dole means more council tax benefit claims. Raising things like council tax also makes work less attractive -certainly at the minimum-wage end of the market- because it means there are more costs to cover from a limited income.
When you're on benefits, you don't have to worry about that. Raising council tax in the current economic climate would be madness -why should those in work be squeezed even more to pay for those without work?
Raising council tax, when it's central government who will be paying it out anyway (via people in work) doesn't make sense.
They need to find a way to make work pay -raising council tax wouldn't help that cause right now.
[quote][p][bold]Noiticer[/bold] wrote: I hope those who voted Tory and Lib Dem reflect on this news and ask why their Government hasn't allowed a Council Tax rise this year which would have helped to mitigate some of the cuts. Perhaps they could also explain why their Government allows £120 billions of tax evasion and avoidance - some of it quite legal, to continue and why it is about to reduce significantly the tax burden on the richest companies in the UK. And for good measure why the banks and bankers are still getting away with it.[/p][/quote]More people on the dole means more council tax benefit claims. Raising things like council tax also makes work less attractive -certainly at the minimum-wage end of the market- because it means there are more costs to cover from a limited income. When you're on benefits, you don't have to worry about that. Raising council tax in the current economic climate would be madness -why should those in work be squeezed even more to pay for those without work? Raising council tax, when it's central government who will be paying it out anyway (via people in work) doesn't make sense. They need to find a way to make work pay -raising council tax wouldn't help that cause right now. happycyclist
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11:40am Tue 8 Feb 11

CapitaBackHander says...

Very very depressing times.
What a perverse world we live in.
If there was a flood in i.e. Pakistan or Sudan tomorrow the country would be able to find millions!
These cuts may save council money but will they really save the country anything? Don't feel guilty (like we did) sign on immediately and don't believe you can't claim for certain benefits - very bad advice is given and probably on purpose!
Very very depressing times. What a perverse world we live in. If there was a flood in i.e. Pakistan or Sudan tomorrow the country would be able to find millions! These cuts may save council money but will they really save the country anything? Don't feel guilty (like we did) sign on immediately and don't believe you can't claim for certain benefits - very bad advice is given and probably on purpose! CapitaBackHander
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11:43am Tue 8 Feb 11

CapitaBackHander says...

How strange, one news item where Dave Smith is rightly saying they have not got the money (can find it)to demolish a property but here they say four bowling greens will shut. That means they will shut forever and the club houses will be vandalised and the greens demolished through miss use or nature! The cost will be far too great.
Short term sledge hammer fixes which will cause long term devestation!
How strange, one news item where Dave Smith is rightly saying they have not got the money (can find it)to demolish a property but here they say four bowling greens will shut. That means they will shut forever and the club houses will be vandalised and the greens demolished through miss use or nature! The cost will be far too great. Short term sledge hammer fixes which will cause long term devestation! CapitaBackHander
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11:44am Tue 8 Feb 11

Excluded again says...

Blackburn with Darwen (and other Councils in the north) are forced to make massive budget cuts as a result of reductions in central government grant, often of more than 10%.

Meanwhile Councils in the more affluent south have had almost no reduction in their central government grants. David cameron's home area of Whitney has been cut by just 1%.

Poorer areas are being forced to pay ten times more than their fair share.

We are all in this together. Not.
Blackburn with Darwen (and other Councils in the north) are forced to make massive budget cuts as a result of reductions in central government grant, often of more than 10%. Meanwhile Councils in the more affluent south have had almost no reduction in their central government grants. David cameron's home area of Whitney has been cut by just 1%. Poorer areas are being forced to pay ten times more than their fair share. We are all in this together. Not. Excluded again
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12:16pm Tue 8 Feb 11

happycyclist says...

"Public protection work... the community safety budget has been cut by £1.4million.. the council’s ability to prevent domestic violence will be reduced..."

Forget grass-cutting, classical music, buses and potholes. Compromising the safety of people CANNOT BE ACCEPTABLE TO ANYONE.
"Public protection work... the community safety budget has been cut by £1.4million.. the council’s ability to prevent domestic violence will be reduced..." Forget grass-cutting, classical music, buses and potholes. Compromising the safety of people CANNOT BE ACCEPTABLE TO ANYONE. happycyclist
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1:00pm Tue 8 Feb 11

Slimplynth says...

What steaming pile of Kak.. That's all I can say, So basically in 4 years time Blackburn is going to be an overgrown derelict no mans land, where only those with Heavy Off Road Gear will be able to access... amoured obviously, to deal with attacks by The Rebel Alliance of Drunk ASBOs - or will that be CBO's.. "OBE's vs CBO's for the battle of the Crown Green"... I suppose the silver lining is that at somepoint things will get better :0S
What steaming pile of Kak.. That's all I can say, So basically in 4 years time Blackburn is going to be an overgrown derelict no mans land, where only those with Heavy Off Road Gear will be able to access... amoured obviously, to deal with attacks by The Rebel Alliance of Drunk ASBOs - or will that be CBO's.. "OBE's vs CBO's for the battle of the Crown Green"... I suppose the silver lining is that at somepoint things will get better :0S Slimplynth
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1:11pm Tue 8 Feb 11

blackburnmum says...

What a throughly depressing town to live in!
What a throughly depressing town to live in! blackburnmum
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1:34pm Tue 8 Feb 11

time.team says...

Let‘s hope that the council’s ‘Shuttle’ newspaper will be transformed. I say transformed in the hope that a new production would not be used ever again as a one sided ‘spin’ production in aid of the ‘New Labour’ run council. Especially the ‘I’ll tell you what your wanting to know then I’ll give you my answers’ section. What a waste of money on something that could have been a worthwhile publication for all!
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Please, we would all like a non political news sheet that tells the truth. Not a lot to ask for, especially because we‘re paying for it!
Let‘s hope that the council’s ‘Shuttle’ newspaper will be transformed. I say transformed in the hope that a new production would not be used ever again as a one sided ‘spin’ production in aid of the ‘New Labour’ run council. Especially the ‘I’ll tell you what your wanting to know then I’ll give you my answers’ section. What a waste of money on something that could have been a worthwhile publication for all! - Please, we would all like a non political news sheet that tells the truth. Not a lot to ask for, especially because we‘re paying for it! time.team
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2:08pm Tue 8 Feb 11

Rumpole says...

I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.
I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world. Rumpole
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2:28pm Tue 8 Feb 11

past it says...

Pity the council wasted all the money on the bus lane, that no one wanted anyway. Should have saved for a rainy day.
Pity the council wasted all the money on the bus lane, that no one wanted anyway. Should have saved for a rainy day. past it
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2:48pm Tue 8 Feb 11

Lenny Leonard says...

Rumpole wrote:
I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.
what an absolutely ridiculous comment. Do you not think that the people who work in the public sector also pay taxes that fund local government??

If all the council staff took a pay cut that would have a knock on effect on the town centre economy where half the staff spend their money at lunchtime.

The council pays competative salaries to employ decent staff, just the same as the private sector does. Except if you're employed in the private sector you don't have to listen to the drivel that comes out of the mouths of people like you.
[quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.[/p][/quote]what an absolutely ridiculous comment. Do you not think that the people who work in the public sector also pay taxes that fund local government?? If all the council staff took a pay cut that would have a knock on effect on the town centre economy where half the staff spend their money at lunchtime. The council pays competative salaries to employ decent staff, just the same as the private sector does. Except if you're employed in the private sector you don't have to listen to the drivel that comes out of the mouths of people like you. Lenny Leonard
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2:52pm Tue 8 Feb 11

NICEONESUNSHINE says...

time.team wrote:
Let‘s hope that the council’s ‘Shuttle’ newspaper will be transformed. I say transformed in the hope that a new production would not be used ever again as a one sided ‘spin’ production in aid of the ‘New Labour’ run council. Especially the ‘I’ll tell you what your wanting to know then I’ll give you my answers’ section. What a waste of money on something that could have been a worthwhile publication for all! - Please, we would all like a non political news sheet that tells the truth. Not a lot to ask for, especially because we‘re paying for it!
What planet are you on?
.
A thousand people are to lose their jobs, needy people are to have their support withdrawn and services are to be cut and you comment on a bloody free newspaper?
.
Its idiots like you, who can't see the world beyond thier manicured front lawn, and could'nt give a toss about anybody who voted this tory/lib dem shower in.....
.
You ought to be ashamed.........
[quote][p][bold]time.team[/bold] wrote: Let‘s hope that the council’s ‘Shuttle’ newspaper will be transformed. I say transformed in the hope that a new production would not be used ever again as a one sided ‘spin’ production in aid of the ‘New Labour’ run council. Especially the ‘I’ll tell you what your wanting to know then I’ll give you my answers’ section. What a waste of money on something that could have been a worthwhile publication for all! - Please, we would all like a non political news sheet that tells the truth. Not a lot to ask for, especially because we‘re paying for it![/p][/quote]What planet are you on? . A thousand people are to lose their jobs, needy people are to have their support withdrawn and services are to be cut and you comment on a bloody free newspaper? . Its idiots like you, who can't see the world beyond thier manicured front lawn, and could'nt give a toss about anybody who voted this tory/lib dem shower in..... . You ought to be ashamed......... NICEONESUNSHINE
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3:01pm Tue 8 Feb 11

Walsh says...

Why is everyone being so negative? Yes I appreciate the fact that the people who become unemployed will be inconvenienced and will probably be a little short of cash. However, we should count our blessings, for instance we have the forthcoming royal wedding to look forward to in April. I am sure as it gets closer we will all get behind it and support the nuptials of our betters. Don't forget if you are out of work you will be able to watch this spectacle in it's entirety, thus proving every cloud has a silver lining.
Why is everyone being so negative? Yes I appreciate the fact that the people who become unemployed will be inconvenienced and will probably be a little short of cash. However, we should count our blessings, for instance we have the forthcoming royal wedding to look forward to in April. I am sure as it gets closer we will all get behind it and support the nuptials of our betters. Don't forget if you are out of work you will be able to watch this spectacle in it's entirety, thus proving every cloud has a silver lining. Walsh
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3:10pm Tue 8 Feb 11

CapitaBackHander says...

Walsh wrote:
Why is everyone being so negative? Yes I appreciate the fact that the people who become unemployed will be inconvenienced and will probably be a little short of cash. However, we should count our blessings, for instance we have the forthcoming royal wedding to look forward to in April. I am sure as it gets closer we will all get behind it and support the nuptials of our betters. Don't forget if you are out of work you will be able to watch this spectacle in it's entirety, thus proving every cloud has a silver lining.
That will fly over the head of many...
You will have a bite very soon, reel them in hard.
[quote][p][bold]Walsh[/bold] wrote: Why is everyone being so negative? Yes I appreciate the fact that the people who become unemployed will be inconvenienced and will probably be a little short of cash. However, we should count our blessings, for instance we have the forthcoming royal wedding to look forward to in April. I am sure as it gets closer we will all get behind it and support the nuptials of our betters. Don't forget if you are out of work you will be able to watch this spectacle in it's entirety, thus proving every cloud has a silver lining.[/p][/quote]That will fly over the head of many... You will have a bite very soon, reel them in hard. CapitaBackHander
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3:36pm Tue 8 Feb 11

Walsh says...

NICEONESUNSHINE wrote:
time.team wrote:
Let‘s hope that the council’s ‘Shuttle’ newspaper will be transformed. I say transformed in the hope that a new production would not be used ever again as a one sided ‘spin’ production in aid of the ‘New Labour’ run council. Especially the ‘I’ll tell you what your wanting to know then I’ll give you my answers’ section. What a waste of money on something that could have been a worthwhile publication for all! - Please, we would all like a non political news sheet that tells the truth. Not a lot to ask for, especially because we‘re paying for it!
What planet are you on?
.
A thousand people are to lose their jobs, needy people are to have their support withdrawn and services are to be cut and you comment on a bloody free newspaper?
.
Its idiots like you, who can't see the world beyond thier manicured front lawn, and could'nt give a toss about anybody who voted this tory/lib dem shower in.....
.
You ought to be ashamed.........
You are right, he is a whiner. However, the Shuttle is a waste and to be honest it does go straight into the recycle bin. What I do find astonishing is the actual physical quality of the paper used in it's production, it far exceeds any other newspaper.
[quote][p][bold]NICEONESUNSHINE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]time.team[/bold] wrote: Let‘s hope that the council’s ‘Shuttle’ newspaper will be transformed. I say transformed in the hope that a new production would not be used ever again as a one sided ‘spin’ production in aid of the ‘New Labour’ run council. Especially the ‘I’ll tell you what your wanting to know then I’ll give you my answers’ section. What a waste of money on something that could have been a worthwhile publication for all! - Please, we would all like a non political news sheet that tells the truth. Not a lot to ask for, especially because we‘re paying for it![/p][/quote]What planet are you on? . A thousand people are to lose their jobs, needy people are to have their support withdrawn and services are to be cut and you comment on a bloody free newspaper? . Its idiots like you, who can't see the world beyond thier manicured front lawn, and could'nt give a toss about anybody who voted this tory/lib dem shower in..... . You ought to be ashamed.........[/p][/quote]You are right, he is a whiner. However, the Shuttle is a waste and to be honest it does go straight into the recycle bin. What I do find astonishing is the actual physical quality of the paper used in it's production, it far exceeds any other newspaper. Walsh
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3:45pm Tue 8 Feb 11

The offspring says...

Instead of cutting back on services why not just reduce the amount of benefits paid to all claimants by 20 pound a week?,afterall i am sure they can make do without the Tobacco,alcohol,lott
ery tickets etcetra.This would save millions and would have the knock on effect of reducing our strained national health service.
Instead of cutting back on services why not just reduce the amount of benefits paid to all claimants by 20 pound a week?,afterall i am sure they can make do without the Tobacco,alcohol,lott ery tickets etcetra.This would save millions and would have the knock on effect of reducing our strained national health service. The offspring
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4:58pm Tue 8 Feb 11

time.team says...

To Mr or Mrs Walsh, from Darwen . . .
I shall have to admit, I do like a good wine. But it all depends on what you have with it. Pick the right wine with the appropriate meal and everything will go down fine. But I shall have to agree with you, it is best not to overdo it!
To Mr or Mrs Walsh, from Darwen . . . I shall have to admit, I do like a good wine. But it all depends on what you have with it. Pick the right wine with the appropriate meal and everything will go down fine. But I shall have to agree with you, it is best not to overdo it! time.team
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5:02pm Tue 8 Feb 11

Rumpole says...

Lenny Leonard wrote:
Rumpole wrote:
I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.
what an absolutely ridiculous comment. Do you not think that the people who work in the public sector also pay taxes that fund local government??

If all the council staff took a pay cut that would have a knock on effect on the town centre economy where half the staff spend their money at lunchtime.

The council pays competative salaries to employ decent staff, just the same as the private sector does. Except if you're employed in the private sector you don't have to listen to the drivel that comes out of the mouths of people like you.
'people like me',,,,obviously you work at the council to make a comment like that and to think it was a ridiculous comment i made,,,,,,,so stuff the paycut lets just chuck them all on benefits where they will pay no taxes at all towards local government and spend even less on the town centre economy,,,,,,if half the people at the council were capable of earning decent wages in line with the private sector they wouldn't be working at the council in the first place..........would they!
Cushy number coming to an end for the gravy train passengers and so the ordinary people have to suffer a drop in what is already a sub standard service just to keep those providing it in a job,,,,,paycut or no job, you choose!
[quote][p][bold]Lenny Leonard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.[/p][/quote]what an absolutely ridiculous comment. Do you not think that the people who work in the public sector also pay taxes that fund local government?? If all the council staff took a pay cut that would have a knock on effect on the town centre economy where half the staff spend their money at lunchtime. The council pays competative salaries to employ decent staff, just the same as the private sector does. Except if you're employed in the private sector you don't have to listen to the drivel that comes out of the mouths of people like you.[/p][/quote]'people like me',,,,obviously you work at the council to make a comment like that and to think it was a ridiculous comment i made,,,,,,,so stuff the paycut lets just chuck them all on benefits where they will pay no taxes at all towards local government and spend even less on the town centre economy,,,,,,if half the people at the council were capable of earning decent wages in line with the private sector they wouldn't be working at the council in the first place..........would they! Cushy number coming to an end for the gravy train passengers and so the ordinary people have to suffer a drop in what is already a sub standard service just to keep those providing it in a job,,,,,paycut or no job, you choose! Rumpole
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5:14pm Tue 8 Feb 11

tenerc says...

here`s my list of things to cut (but only after the election as it`s a vote looser)

#1 end the free bus pass, make them pay 50p each way,

#2 end free school uniforms, there your kids, not mine.

#3 end the rules that say you MUST buy your uniform from a designated place, (to help with #2)

#4 turn of the fancy lights at the town hall

#5 take out the tv in the library, and charge £1-2 for internet use OR block video, music, social websites
here`s my list of things to cut (but only after the election as it`s a vote looser) #1 end the free bus pass, make them pay 50p each way, #2 end free school uniforms, there your kids, not mine. #3 end the rules that say you MUST buy your uniform from a designated place, (to help with #2) #4 turn of the fancy lights at the town hall #5 take out the tv in the library, and charge £1-2 for internet use OR block video, music, social websites tenerc
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5:17pm Tue 8 Feb 11

tenerc says...

oh also...

#6 end dvd rental in library, we have blockbuster for that!!!
oh also... #6 end dvd rental in library, we have blockbuster for that!!! tenerc
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6:16pm Tue 8 Feb 11

wing commander bomber harris says...

Rumpole wrote:
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Rumpole wrote: I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.
what an absolutely ridiculous comment. Do you not think that the people who work in the public sector also pay taxes that fund local government?? If all the council staff took a pay cut that would have a knock on effect on the town centre economy where half the staff spend their money at lunchtime. The council pays competative salaries to employ decent staff, just the same as the private sector does. Except if you're employed in the private sector you don't have to listen to the drivel that comes out of the mouths of people like you.
'people like me',,,,obviously you work at the council to make a comment like that and to think it was a ridiculous comment i made,,,,,,,so stuff the paycut lets just chuck them all on benefits where they will pay no taxes at all towards local government and spend even less on the town centre economy,,,,,,if half the people at the council were capable of earning decent wages in line with the private sector they wouldn't be working at the council in the first place..........would they! Cushy number coming to an end for the gravy train passengers and so the ordinary people have to suffer a drop in what is already a sub standard service just to keep those providing it in a job,,,,,paycut or no job, you choose!
Rumpole, make sure you save some of the coddy muck coming out of your mouth for your roses in spring! Most staff at the council are multi-skilled and highly trained. To keep highly trained, you pay good wages. Don't blame me because you couldn't get a job at the town hall, you selfish t!t.

The fact that you are mocking someone's misfortune shows what a slimeball you are.
[quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lenny Leonard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.[/p][/quote]what an absolutely ridiculous comment. Do you not think that the people who work in the public sector also pay taxes that fund local government?? If all the council staff took a pay cut that would have a knock on effect on the town centre economy where half the staff spend their money at lunchtime. The council pays competative salaries to employ decent staff, just the same as the private sector does. Except if you're employed in the private sector you don't have to listen to the drivel that comes out of the mouths of people like you.[/p][/quote]'people like me',,,,obviously you work at the council to make a comment like that and to think it was a ridiculous comment i made,,,,,,,so stuff the paycut lets just chuck them all on benefits where they will pay no taxes at all towards local government and spend even less on the town centre economy,,,,,,if half the people at the council were capable of earning decent wages in line with the private sector they wouldn't be working at the council in the first place..........would they! Cushy number coming to an end for the gravy train passengers and so the ordinary people have to suffer a drop in what is already a sub standard service just to keep those providing it in a job,,,,,paycut or no job, you choose![/p][/quote]Rumpole, make sure you save some of the coddy muck coming out of your mouth for your roses in spring! Most staff at the council are multi-skilled and highly trained. To keep highly trained, you pay good wages. Don't blame me because you couldn't get a job at the town hall, you selfish t!t. The fact that you are mocking someone's misfortune shows what a slimeball you are. wing commander bomber harris
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6:19pm Tue 8 Feb 11

time.team says...

To: NICEONESUNSHINE, Blackburn.
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Yes, everything has gone very sour and I too feel ashamed because like you I voted ‘Newest Labour’ all those years ago and look what a mess we‘re in now. But haven’t the Blair boys and girls done well for themselves with the help of our votes. Tony’s got about eighty houses, he’s now a multi millionaire, has turned to God and even the fat one with the three old jags is in commercials pretending to look foolish. (typecast!)
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You wouldn’t have believed it would you!
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Earth I think. But where have you been?
To: NICEONESUNSHINE, Blackburn. - Yes, everything has gone very sour and I too feel ashamed because like you I voted ‘Newest Labour’ all those years ago and look what a mess we‘re in now. But haven’t the Blair boys and girls done well for themselves with the help of our votes. Tony’s got about eighty houses, he’s now a multi millionaire, has turned to God and even the fat one with the three old jags is in commercials pretending to look foolish. (typecast!) - You wouldn’t have believed it would you! - Earth I think. But where have you been? time.team
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6:33pm Tue 8 Feb 11

Black labrador says...

Before cutting back on the items mentioned in the original article, why doesn’t BwD council make every person it employs with the words ‘diversity’ or ‘climate change’ in their job titles, or in the name of the department they work for, redundant forthwith; such a move would save tens of thousands of pounds in very short order and would have no effect whatsoever on the services provided to the people of the Borough.
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In addition, the Shuttle, an unwanted and largely unread propaganda sheet, should be scrapped with immediate effect and all employees concerned in its production made redundant. This move would also save money and have a negligible impact on the people of the Borough.
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Simultaneously, whilst applauding the significant reduction in the number of senior employees at the Town Hall, those remaining who are currently in receipt of a salary in excess of £100,000 should be the subject of a 25% pay cut, leaving only the Chief Executive as the only council employee on a salary of that size. This move would also harvest considerable savings at little or no inconvenience to the people of the Borough.
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Then and only then, when all the inefficiencies and self-perpetuating empires have been driven out of the Town Hall, should any savings be sought from within the budgets of those delivering front-line services.
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There are savings to be made within the BwD budget, savings which would be understandably painful for those suffering unemployment as a result of the suggestions I have made; but the effect on the people of the Borough as a whole would be much, much less than it will be under the current proposals.
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As a final thought, those blaming ‘the Tories’ and the ‘ConDems’ for this situation should remember that it was Gordon Brown – the unelected former Prime Minister – whose government virtually bankrupted the country by their incontinent spending, thereby making these ‘cuts’ necessary. Don’t believe me? Google Liam Byrne and the comment ‘there’s no money left’; you’ll soon see what I mean.
Before cutting back on the items mentioned in the original article, why doesn’t BwD council make every person it employs with the words ‘diversity’ or ‘climate change’ in their job titles, or in the name of the department they work for, redundant forthwith; such a move would save tens of thousands of pounds in very short order and would have no effect whatsoever on the services provided to the people of the Borough. . In addition, the Shuttle, an unwanted and largely unread propaganda sheet, should be scrapped with immediate effect and all employees concerned in its production made redundant. This move would also save money and have a negligible impact on the people of the Borough. . Simultaneously, whilst applauding the significant reduction in the number of senior employees at the Town Hall, those remaining who are currently in receipt of a salary in excess of £100,000 should be the subject of a 25% pay cut, leaving only the Chief Executive as the only council employee on a salary of that size. This move would also harvest considerable savings at little or no inconvenience to the people of the Borough. . Then and only then, when all the inefficiencies and self-perpetuating empires have been driven out of the Town Hall, should any savings be sought from within the budgets of those delivering front-line services. . There are savings to be made within the BwD budget, savings which would be understandably painful for those suffering unemployment as a result of the suggestions I have made; but the effect on the people of the Borough as a whole would be much, much less than it will be under the current proposals. . As a final thought, those blaming ‘the Tories’ and the ‘ConDems’ for this situation should remember that it was Gordon Brown – the unelected former Prime Minister – whose government virtually bankrupted the country by their incontinent spending, thereby making these ‘cuts’ necessary. Don’t believe me? Google Liam Byrne and the comment ‘there’s no money left’; you’ll soon see what I mean. Black labrador
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6:33pm Tue 8 Feb 11

Rumpole says...

wing commander bomber harris wrote:
Rumpole wrote:
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Rumpole wrote: I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.
what an absolutely ridiculous comment. Do you not think that the people who work in the public sector also pay taxes that fund local government?? If all the council staff took a pay cut that would have a knock on effect on the town centre economy where half the staff spend their money at lunchtime. The council pays competative salaries to employ decent staff, just the same as the private sector does. Except if you're employed in the private sector you don't have to listen to the drivel that comes out of the mouths of people like you.
'people like me',,,,obviously you work at the council to make a comment like that and to think it was a ridiculous comment i made,,,,,,,so stuff the paycut lets just chuck them all on benefits where they will pay no taxes at all towards local government and spend even less on the town centre economy,,,,,,if half the people at the council were capable of earning decent wages in line with the private sector they wouldn't be working at the council in the first place..........would they! Cushy number coming to an end for the gravy train passengers and so the ordinary people have to suffer a drop in what is already a sub standard service just to keep those providing it in a job,,,,,paycut or no job, you choose!
Rumpole, make sure you save some of the coddy muck coming out of your mouth for your roses in spring! Most staff at the council are multi-skilled and highly trained. To keep highly trained, you pay good wages. Don't blame me because you couldn't get a job at the town hall, you selfish t!t.

The fact that you are mocking someone's misfortune shows what a slimeball you are.
yes! you definately work at the council with an attitude like that towards other people opinions.

If most of the staff are so multi-skilled and highly trained then it really shouldn't be a problem if they do lose their jobs at the council, they could always get a job in the private sector and wouldn't have to listen to the opinions of the very council tax payers that fund their wages.
I would never apply for a job at the council, far too intelligent to work with people like you, and i don't think any of my relatives work at the council either otherwise i would have had a job there years ago.
Common sense says paycut and have a job, council thinking is gravy train with fewer passengers!
I'm not actually mocking someones misfortune as you say, more like mocking their ability to use common sense!
[quote][p][bold]wing commander bomber harris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lenny Leonard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.[/p][/quote]what an absolutely ridiculous comment. Do you not think that the people who work in the public sector also pay taxes that fund local government?? If all the council staff took a pay cut that would have a knock on effect on the town centre economy where half the staff spend their money at lunchtime. The council pays competative salaries to employ decent staff, just the same as the private sector does. Except if you're employed in the private sector you don't have to listen to the drivel that comes out of the mouths of people like you.[/p][/quote]'people like me',,,,obviously you work at the council to make a comment like that and to think it was a ridiculous comment i made,,,,,,,so stuff the paycut lets just chuck them all on benefits where they will pay no taxes at all towards local government and spend even less on the town centre economy,,,,,,if half the people at the council were capable of earning decent wages in line with the private sector they wouldn't be working at the council in the first place..........would they! Cushy number coming to an end for the gravy train passengers and so the ordinary people have to suffer a drop in what is already a sub standard service just to keep those providing it in a job,,,,,paycut or no job, you choose![/p][/quote]Rumpole, make sure you save some of the coddy muck coming out of your mouth for your roses in spring! Most staff at the council are multi-skilled and highly trained. To keep highly trained, you pay good wages. Don't blame me because you couldn't get a job at the town hall, you selfish t!t. The fact that you are mocking someone's misfortune shows what a slimeball you are.[/p][/quote]yes! you definately work at the council with an attitude like that towards other people opinions. If most of the staff are so multi-skilled and highly trained then it really shouldn't be a problem if they do lose their jobs at the council, they could always get a job in the private sector and wouldn't have to listen to the opinions of the very council tax payers that fund their wages. I would never apply for a job at the council, far too intelligent to work with people like you, and i don't think any of my relatives work at the council either otherwise i would have had a job there years ago. Common sense says paycut and have a job, council thinking is gravy train with fewer passengers! I'm not actually mocking someones misfortune as you say, more like mocking their ability to use common sense! Rumpole
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6:53pm Tue 8 Feb 11

slackerbtch says...

Clearly Rumpole, you do not want any of the council services such as, for example, trading standards, social services, highways, finance or environmental health then?
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Paying minimum wage for those jobs would see officers leave immediately and you would not get ANYONE with the appropriate skills and qualifications to fill those posts, particularly when skills and qualifications are marketable in other sectors.
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Or do you want those posts outsourcing to the private sector for twice the sum it costs?
Clearly Rumpole, you do not want any of the council services such as, for example, trading standards, social services, highways, finance or environmental health then? . Paying minimum wage for those jobs would see officers leave immediately and you would not get ANYONE with the appropriate skills and qualifications to fill those posts, particularly when skills and qualifications are marketable in other sectors. . Or do you want those posts outsourcing to the private sector for twice the sum it costs? slackerbtch
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7:06pm Tue 8 Feb 11

Rumpole says...

slackerbtch wrote:
Clearly Rumpole, you do not want any of the council services such as, for example, trading standards, social services, highways, finance or environmental health then?
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Paying minimum wage for those jobs would see officers leave immediately and you would not get ANYONE with the appropriate skills and qualifications to fill those posts, particularly when skills and qualifications are marketable in other sectors.
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Or do you want those posts outsourcing to the private sector for twice the sum it costs?
clearly another council employee that cannot see that if there were other sectors where your skills and qualifications were marketable with a higher income to boot then you wouldn't be working for the council.
If any of you read my comments properly you would see i was suggesting an alternative to unemployment for these people and pointing out that if they are so multi-skilled and highly trained it would not be so bad to lose your job at the council if that had to happen.
[quote][p][bold]slackerbtch[/bold] wrote: Clearly Rumpole, you do not want any of the council services such as, for example, trading standards, social services, highways, finance or environmental health then? . Paying minimum wage for those jobs would see officers leave immediately and you would not get ANYONE with the appropriate skills and qualifications to fill those posts, particularly when skills and qualifications are marketable in other sectors. . Or do you want those posts outsourcing to the private sector for twice the sum it costs?[/p][/quote]clearly another council employee that cannot see that if there were other sectors where your skills and qualifications were marketable with a higher income to boot then you wouldn't be working for the council. If any of you read my comments properly you would see i was suggesting an alternative to unemployment for these people and pointing out that if they are so multi-skilled and highly trained it would not be so bad to lose your job at the council if that had to happen. Rumpole
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7:15pm Tue 8 Feb 11

Walsh says...

CapitaBackHander wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Why is everyone being so negative? Yes I appreciate the fact that the people who become unemployed will be inconvenienced and will probably be a little short of cash. However, we should count our blessings, for instance we have the forthcoming royal wedding to look forward to in April. I am sure as it gets closer we will all get behind it and support the nuptials of our betters. Don't forget if you are out of work you will be able to watch this spectacle in it's entirety, thus proving every cloud has a silver lining.
That will fly over the head of many...
You will have a bite very soon, reel them in hard.
Thanks for the appreciation of my post, but perhaps the LT readers are more astute to irony than we both give them credit for. I Will get them to bite, but please next time be a bit circumspect and let the fools come out of the woodwork.

Cheers.
[quote][p][bold]CapitaBackHander[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walsh[/bold] wrote: Why is everyone being so negative? Yes I appreciate the fact that the people who become unemployed will be inconvenienced and will probably be a little short of cash. However, we should count our blessings, for instance we have the forthcoming royal wedding to look forward to in April. I am sure as it gets closer we will all get behind it and support the nuptials of our betters. Don't forget if you are out of work you will be able to watch this spectacle in it's entirety, thus proving every cloud has a silver lining.[/p][/quote]That will fly over the head of many... You will have a bite very soon, reel them in hard.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the appreciation of my post, but perhaps the LT readers are more astute to irony than we both give them credit for. I Will get them to bite, but please next time be a bit circumspect and let the fools come out of the woodwork. Cheers. Walsh
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7:18pm Tue 8 Feb 11

Walsh says...

Thanks for the appreciation of my post, but perhaps the LT readers are more astute to irony than we both give them credit for. I Will get them to bite, but please next time be a bit circumspect and let the fools come out of the woodwork.

Cheers.
Thanks for the appreciation of my post, but perhaps the LT readers are more astute to irony than we both give them credit for. I Will get them to bite, but please next time be a bit circumspect and let the fools come out of the woodwork. Cheers. Walsh
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7:25pm Tue 8 Feb 11

wing commander bomber harris says...

Rumpole wrote:
wing commander bomber harris wrote:
Rumpole wrote:
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Rumpole wrote: I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.
what an absolutely ridiculous comment. Do you not think that the people who work in the public sector also pay taxes that fund local government?? If all the council staff took a pay cut that would have a knock on effect on the town centre economy where half the staff spend their money at lunchtime. The council pays competative salaries to employ decent staff, just the same as the private sector does. Except if you're employed in the private sector you don't have to listen to the drivel that comes out of the mouths of people like you.
'people like me',,,,obviously you work at the council to make a comment like that and to think it was a ridiculous comment i made,,,,,,,so stuff the paycut lets just chuck them all on benefits where they will pay no taxes at all towards local government and spend even less on the town centre economy,,,,,,if half the people at the council were capable of earning decent wages in line with the private sector they wouldn't be working at the council in the first place..........would they! Cushy number coming to an end for the gravy train passengers and so the ordinary people have to suffer a drop in what is already a sub standard service just to keep those providing it in a job,,,,,paycut or no job, you choose!
Rumpole, make sure you save some of the coddy muck coming out of your mouth for your roses in spring! Most staff at the council are multi-skilled and highly trained. To keep highly trained, you pay good wages. Don't blame me because you couldn't get a job at the town hall, you selfish t!t. The fact that you are mocking someone's misfortune shows what a slimeball you are.
yes! you definately work at the council with an attitude like that towards other people opinions. If most of the staff are so multi-skilled and highly trained then it really shouldn't be a problem if they do lose their jobs at the council, they could always get a job in the private sector and wouldn't have to listen to the opinions of the very council tax payers that fund their wages. I would never apply for a job at the council, far too intelligent to work with people like you, and i don't think any of my relatives work at the council either otherwise i would have had a job there years ago. Common sense says paycut and have a job, council thinking is gravy train with fewer passengers! I'm not actually mocking someones misfortune as you say, more like mocking their ability to use common sense!
Oh dear me, what buffoon you are. Ok, lets get you up to speed. The unions are discussing paycuts and unpaid leave as some of the options. Clearly you did not know this before you decided to vent your festering spleen. As for questioning you opinion. Opinions are fine, made up coddy muck and pure drivel is an insult to the readers of this comments page. Also Mr buffoon, could I actually question where these 1000 private sector jobs are going to come from? I think the Direct.gov web site has an average of 15 a day, far less than what is required, and that does not account for people already on benefits. As for you working at the council, your 'me, me, me' attitude would not last 5 seconds. You would be cast out as a selfish leaper, as a ignorant being as a ... as a .... buffoon.
[quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wing commander bomber harris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lenny Leonard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.[/p][/quote]what an absolutely ridiculous comment. Do you not think that the people who work in the public sector also pay taxes that fund local government?? If all the council staff took a pay cut that would have a knock on effect on the town centre economy where half the staff spend their money at lunchtime. The council pays competative salaries to employ decent staff, just the same as the private sector does. Except if you're employed in the private sector you don't have to listen to the drivel that comes out of the mouths of people like you.[/p][/quote]'people like me',,,,obviously you work at the council to make a comment like that and to think it was a ridiculous comment i made,,,,,,,so stuff the paycut lets just chuck them all on benefits where they will pay no taxes at all towards local government and spend even less on the town centre economy,,,,,,if half the people at the council were capable of earning decent wages in line with the private sector they wouldn't be working at the council in the first place..........would they! Cushy number coming to an end for the gravy train passengers and so the ordinary people have to suffer a drop in what is already a sub standard service just to keep those providing it in a job,,,,,paycut or no job, you choose![/p][/quote]Rumpole, make sure you save some of the coddy muck coming out of your mouth for your roses in spring! Most staff at the council are multi-skilled and highly trained. To keep highly trained, you pay good wages. Don't blame me because you couldn't get a job at the town hall, you selfish t!t. The fact that you are mocking someone's misfortune shows what a slimeball you are.[/p][/quote]yes! you definately work at the council with an attitude like that towards other people opinions. If most of the staff are so multi-skilled and highly trained then it really shouldn't be a problem if they do lose their jobs at the council, they could always get a job in the private sector and wouldn't have to listen to the opinions of the very council tax payers that fund their wages. I would never apply for a job at the council, far too intelligent to work with people like you, and i don't think any of my relatives work at the council either otherwise i would have had a job there years ago. Common sense says paycut and have a job, council thinking is gravy train with fewer passengers! I'm not actually mocking someones misfortune as you say, more like mocking their ability to use common sense![/p][/quote]Oh dear me, what buffoon you are. Ok, lets get you up to speed. The unions are discussing paycuts and unpaid leave as some of the options. Clearly you did not know this before you decided to vent your festering spleen. As for questioning you opinion. Opinions are fine, made up coddy muck and pure drivel is an insult to the readers of this comments page. Also Mr buffoon, could I actually question where these 1000 private sector jobs are going to come from? I think the Direct.gov web site has an average of 15 a day, far less than what is required, and that does not account for people already on benefits. As for you working at the council, your 'me, me, me' attitude would not last 5 seconds. You would be cast out as a selfish leaper, as a ignorant being as a ... as a .... buffoon. wing commander bomber harris
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7:30pm Tue 8 Feb 11

Walsh says...

time.team wrote:
To Mr or Mrs Walsh, from Darwen . . .
I shall have to admit, I do like a good wine. But it all depends on what you have with it. Pick the right wine with the appropriate meal and everything will go down fine. But I shall have to agree with you, it is best not to overdo it!
Not the best play on words I have ever had levelled at me. For your information, wine is an alcoholic beverage, made of fermented fruit juice, usually from grapes. On the other hand whine is a noun that describes a long-drawn, high-pitched complaining cry or sound. So perhaps when you do say you enjoy a good wine, it is your spelling that may be remiss and you are just one of those people who would prefer to moan rather than to seek positive change and justice in society.
[quote][p][bold]time.team[/bold] wrote: To Mr or Mrs Walsh, from Darwen . . . I shall have to admit, I do like a good wine. But it all depends on what you have with it. Pick the right wine with the appropriate meal and everything will go down fine. But I shall have to agree with you, it is best not to overdo it![/p][/quote]Not the best play on words I have ever had levelled at me. For your information, wine is an alcoholic beverage, made of fermented fruit juice, usually from grapes. On the other hand whine is a noun that describes a long-drawn, high-pitched complaining cry or sound. So perhaps when you do say you enjoy a good wine, it is your spelling that may be remiss and you are just one of those people who would prefer to moan rather than to seek positive change and justice in society. Walsh
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7:36pm Tue 8 Feb 11

wing commander bomber harris says...

Rumpole wrote:
slackerbtch wrote: Clearly Rumpole, you do not want any of the council services such as, for example, trading standards, social services, highways, finance or environmental health then? . Paying minimum wage for those jobs would see officers leave immediately and you would not get ANYONE with the appropriate skills and qualifications to fill those posts, particularly when skills and qualifications are marketable in other sectors. . Or do you want those posts outsourcing to the private sector for twice the sum it costs?
clearly another council employee that cannot see that if there were other sectors where your skills and qualifications were marketable with a higher income to boot then you wouldn't be working for the council. If any of you read my comments properly you would see i was suggesting an alternative to unemployment for these people and pointing out that if they are so multi-skilled and highly trained it would not be so bad to lose your job at the council if that had to happen.
so an alternative to unemployment, post-council, is to find a job in the private sector? I never knew that!

Oh I don't know about this.

Will I have to do some real work?

Will I have to put myself into potentially dangerous situations like I do at the moment?

Will I have to smile and say 'Yes Sir, No Sir' when I'm dealing with moronic buffoons?

I don't know about this.... yet..

It's a crazy idea, but it might just work!

All I have to do now is find this job. It's a good job George Osbourne's in charge. He's very rich so he must know what he's doing.

security word was foot-here maybe we should have it printed across the cheeks of your a$$?
[quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slackerbtch[/bold] wrote: Clearly Rumpole, you do not want any of the council services such as, for example, trading standards, social services, highways, finance or environmental health then? . Paying minimum wage for those jobs would see officers leave immediately and you would not get ANYONE with the appropriate skills and qualifications to fill those posts, particularly when skills and qualifications are marketable in other sectors. . Or do you want those posts outsourcing to the private sector for twice the sum it costs?[/p][/quote]clearly another council employee that cannot see that if there were other sectors where your skills and qualifications were marketable with a higher income to boot then you wouldn't be working for the council. If any of you read my comments properly you would see i was suggesting an alternative to unemployment for these people and pointing out that if they are so multi-skilled and highly trained it would not be so bad to lose your job at the council if that had to happen.[/p][/quote]so an alternative to unemployment, post-council, is to find a job in the private sector? I never knew that! Oh I don't know about this. Will I have to do some real work? Will I have to put myself into potentially dangerous situations like I do at the moment? Will I have to smile and say 'Yes Sir, No Sir' when I'm dealing with moronic buffoons? I don't know about this.... yet.. It's a crazy idea, but it might just work! All I have to do now is find this job. It's a good job George Osbourne's in charge. He's very rich so he must know what he's doing. security word was foot-here maybe we should have it printed across the cheeks of your a$$? wing commander bomber harris
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7:38pm Tue 8 Feb 11

CapitaBackHander says...

Which ever morons agreed to increase prices at Darwen Leisure Centre AGAIN (1yr old) deserve to lose their jobs but no doubt these will be the same people whos jobs are safe!
Which ever morons agreed to increase prices at Darwen Leisure Centre AGAIN (1yr old) deserve to lose their jobs but no doubt these will be the same people whos jobs are safe! CapitaBackHander
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7:42pm Tue 8 Feb 11

Rumpole says...

wing commander bomber harris wrote:
Rumpole wrote:
wing commander bomber harris wrote:
Rumpole wrote:
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Rumpole wrote: I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.
what an absolutely ridiculous comment. Do you not think that the people who work in the public sector also pay taxes that fund local government?? If all the council staff took a pay cut that would have a knock on effect on the town centre economy where half the staff spend their money at lunchtime. The council pays competative salaries to employ decent staff, just the same as the private sector does. Except if you're employed in the private sector you don't have to listen to the drivel that comes out of the mouths of people like you.
'people like me',,,,obviously you work at the council to make a comment like that and to think it was a ridiculous comment i made,,,,,,,so stuff the paycut lets just chuck them all on benefits where they will pay no taxes at all towards local government and spend even less on the town centre economy,,,,,,if half the people at the council were capable of earning decent wages in line with the private sector they wouldn't be working at the council in the first place..........would they! Cushy number coming to an end for the gravy train passengers and so the ordinary people have to suffer a drop in what is already a sub standard service just to keep those providing it in a job,,,,,paycut or no job, you choose!
Rumpole, make sure you save some of the coddy muck coming out of your mouth for your roses in spring! Most staff at the council are multi-skilled and highly trained. To keep highly trained, you pay good wages. Don't blame me because you couldn't get a job at the town hall, you selfish t!t. The fact that you are mocking someone's misfortune shows what a slimeball you are.
yes! you definately work at the council with an attitude like that towards other people opinions. If most of the staff are so multi-skilled and highly trained then it really shouldn't be a problem if they do lose their jobs at the council, they could always get a job in the private sector and wouldn't have to listen to the opinions of the very council tax payers that fund their wages. I would never apply for a job at the council, far too intelligent to work with people like you, and i don't think any of my relatives work at the council either otherwise i would have had a job there years ago. Common sense says paycut and have a job, council thinking is gravy train with fewer passengers! I'm not actually mocking someones misfortune as you say, more like mocking their ability to use common sense!
Oh dear me, what buffoon you are. Ok, lets get you up to speed. The unions are discussing paycuts and unpaid leave as some of the options. Clearly you did not know this before you decided to vent your festering spleen. As for questioning you opinion. Opinions are fine, made up coddy muck and pure drivel is an insult to the readers of this comments page. Also Mr buffoon, could I actually question where these 1000 private sector jobs are going to come from? I think the Direct.gov web site has an average of 15 a day, far less than what is required, and that does not account for people already on benefits. As for you working at the council, your 'me, me, me' attitude would not last 5 seconds. You would be cast out as a selfish leaper, as a ignorant being as a ... as a .... buffoon.
actually,

"Mr. i work for the council but maybe not for much longer",

i was not the one that brought up the subject of the private sector, that was done by one of your own that said if paycuts were made officers would leave 'immediately' and there wouldn't be anyone as multi-skilled or highly trained as them that would take these jobs on a minimum wage so get your facts right.
All your comments and name calling just goes to show what kind of attitude some workers at the council have towards people who don't work at the council.

i quote you, "As for you working at the council, your 'me, me, me' attitude would not last 5 seconds. You would be cast out as a selfish leaper, as a ignorant being as a ... as a .... buffoon.""",,,, so this comment has nothing to do with 'you, you, you being thrown off the gravy train at the next station?

i quote you again, "The unions are discussing paycuts and unpaid leave as some of the options. Clearly you did not know this before you decided to vent your festering spleen.",,,,,I'm such a buffoon that without knowing this before i vented my 'festering spleen', as you so eloquently put it, i suggested the same thing as what the unions are discussing....are they buffoons as well? and do you subscribe to the union buffoons?
and you wonder why you are so worried about losing your job....being cast aside....like a 'LEPER', hope spelling isn't a pre-requisite for your job or you would have to 'leap' before you are pushed.
[quote][p][bold]wing commander bomber harris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wing commander bomber harris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lenny Leonard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.[/p][/quote]what an absolutely ridiculous comment. Do you not think that the people who work in the public sector also pay taxes that fund local government?? If all the council staff took a pay cut that would have a knock on effect on the town centre economy where half the staff spend their money at lunchtime. The council pays competative salaries to employ decent staff, just the same as the private sector does. Except if you're employed in the private sector you don't have to listen to the drivel that comes out of the mouths of people like you.[/p][/quote]'people like me',,,,obviously you work at the council to make a comment like that and to think it was a ridiculous comment i made,,,,,,,so stuff the paycut lets just chuck them all on benefits where they will pay no taxes at all towards local government and spend even less on the town centre economy,,,,,,if half the people at the council were capable of earning decent wages in line with the private sector they wouldn't be working at the council in the first place..........would they! Cushy number coming to an end for the gravy train passengers and so the ordinary people have to suffer a drop in what is already a sub standard service just to keep those providing it in a job,,,,,paycut or no job, you choose![/p][/quote]Rumpole, make sure you save some of the coddy muck coming out of your mouth for your roses in spring! Most staff at the council are multi-skilled and highly trained. To keep highly trained, you pay good wages. Don't blame me because you couldn't get a job at the town hall, you selfish t!t. The fact that you are mocking someone's misfortune shows what a slimeball you are.[/p][/quote]yes! you definately work at the council with an attitude like that towards other people opinions. If most of the staff are so multi-skilled and highly trained then it really shouldn't be a problem if they do lose their jobs at the council, they could always get a job in the private sector and wouldn't have to listen to the opinions of the very council tax payers that fund their wages. I would never apply for a job at the council, far too intelligent to work with people like you, and i don't think any of my relatives work at the council either otherwise i would have had a job there years ago. Common sense says paycut and have a job, council thinking is gravy train with fewer passengers! I'm not actually mocking someones misfortune as you say, more like mocking their ability to use common sense![/p][/quote]Oh dear me, what buffoon you are. Ok, lets get you up to speed. The unions are discussing paycuts and unpaid leave as some of the options. Clearly you did not know this before you decided to vent your festering spleen. As for questioning you opinion. Opinions are fine, made up coddy muck and pure drivel is an insult to the readers of this comments page. Also Mr buffoon, could I actually question where these 1000 private sector jobs are going to come from? I think the Direct.gov web site has an average of 15 a day, far less than what is required, and that does not account for people already on benefits. As for you working at the council, your 'me, me, me' attitude would not last 5 seconds. You would be cast out as a selfish leaper, as a ignorant being as a ... as a .... buffoon.[/p][/quote]actually, "Mr. i work for the council but maybe not for much longer", i was not the one that brought up the subject of the private sector, that was done by one of your own that said if paycuts were made officers would leave 'immediately' and there wouldn't be anyone as multi-skilled or highly trained as them that would take these jobs on a minimum wage so get your facts right. All your comments and name calling just goes to show what kind of attitude some workers at the council have towards people who don't work at the council. i quote you, "As for you working at the council, your 'me, me, me' attitude would not last 5 seconds. You would be cast out as a selfish leaper, as a ignorant being as a ... as a .... buffoon.""",,,, so this comment has nothing to do with 'you, you, you being thrown off the gravy train at the next station? i quote you again, "The unions are discussing paycuts and unpaid leave as some of the options. Clearly you did not know this before you decided to vent your festering spleen.",,,,,I'm such a buffoon that without knowing this before i vented my 'festering spleen', as you so eloquently put it, i suggested the same thing as what the unions are discussing....are they buffoons as well? and do you subscribe to the union buffoons? and you wonder why you are so worried about losing your job....being cast aside....like a 'LEPER', hope spelling isn't a pre-requisite for your job or you would have to 'leap' before you are pushed. Rumpole
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8:20pm Tue 8 Feb 11

Fantastic Mr Fox says...

Rumpole wrote:
wing commander bomber harris wrote:
Rumpole wrote:
wing commander bomber harris wrote:
Rumpole wrote:
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Rumpole wrote: I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.
what an absolutely ridiculous comment. Do you not think that the people who work in the public sector also pay taxes that fund local government?? If all the council staff took a pay cut that would have a knock on effect on the town centre economy where half the staff spend their money at lunchtime. The council pays competative salaries to employ decent staff, just the same as the private sector does. Except if you're employed in the private sector you don't have to listen to the drivel that comes out of the mouths of people like you.
'people like me',,,,obviously you work at the council to make a comment like that and to think it was a ridiculous comment i made,,,,,,,so stuff the paycut lets just chuck them all on benefits where they will pay no taxes at all towards local government and spend even less on the town centre economy,,,,,,if half the people at the council were capable of earning decent wages in line with the private sector they wouldn't be working at the council in the first place..........would they! Cushy number coming to an end for the gravy train passengers and so the ordinary people have to suffer a drop in what is already a sub standard service just to keep those providing it in a job,,,,,paycut or no job, you choose!
Rumpole, make sure you save some of the coddy muck coming out of your mouth for your roses in spring! Most staff at the council are multi-skilled and highly trained. To keep highly trained, you pay good wages. Don't blame me because you couldn't get a job at the town hall, you selfish t!t. The fact that you are mocking someone's misfortune shows what a slimeball you are.
yes! you definately work at the council with an attitude like that towards other people opinions. If most of the staff are so multi-skilled and highly trained then it really shouldn't be a problem if they do lose their jobs at the council, they could always get a job in the private sector and wouldn't have to listen to the opinions of the very council tax payers that fund their wages. I would never apply for a job at the council, far too intelligent to work with people like you, and i don't think any of my relatives work at the council either otherwise i would have had a job there years ago. Common sense says paycut and have a job, council thinking is gravy train with fewer passengers! I'm not actually mocking someones misfortune as you say, more like mocking their ability to use common sense!
Oh dear me, what buffoon you are. Ok, lets get you up to speed. The unions are discussing paycuts and unpaid leave as some of the options. Clearly you did not know this before you decided to vent your festering spleen. As for questioning you opinion. Opinions are fine, made up coddy muck and pure drivel is an insult to the readers of this comments page. Also Mr buffoon, could I actually question where these 1000 private sector jobs are going to come from? I think the Direct.gov web site has an average of 15 a day, far less than what is required, and that does not account for people already on benefits. As for you working at the council, your 'me, me, me' attitude would not last 5 seconds. You would be cast out as a selfish leaper, as a ignorant being as a ... as a .... buffoon.
actually,

"Mr. i work for the council but maybe not for much longer",

i was not the one that brought up the subject of the private sector, that was done by one of your own that said if paycuts were made officers would leave 'immediately' and there wouldn't be anyone as multi-skilled or highly trained as them that would take these jobs on a minimum wage so get your facts right.
All your comments and name calling just goes to show what kind of attitude some workers at the council have towards people who don't work at the council.

i quote you, "As for you working at the council, your 'me, me, me' attitude would not last 5 seconds. You would be cast out as a selfish leaper, as a ignorant being as a ... as a .... buffoon.""",,,, so this comment has nothing to do with 'you, you, you being thrown off the gravy train at the next station?

i quote you again, "The unions are discussing paycuts and unpaid leave as some of the options. Clearly you did not know this before you decided to vent your festering spleen.",,,,,I'm such a buffoon that without knowing this before i vented my 'festering spleen', as you so eloquently put it, i suggested the same thing as what the unions are discussing....are they buffoons as well? and do you subscribe to the union buffoons?
and you wonder why you are so worried about losing your job....being cast aside....like a 'LEPER', hope spelling isn't a pre-requisite for your job or you would have to 'leap' before you are pushed.
Rumpole you've obviously applied for a job at the council previously and been turned down hence your ridiculous non-sensical rants. No-body likes to lose their jobs but once again idiots like you assume that because it's public sector jobs it doesn't matter and anyone who worked at the council was overpaid and under-worked. The fact is that many private sector companies rely on work from the public sector but with the funding cuts both will be worse off.
[quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wing commander bomber harris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wing commander bomber harris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lenny Leonard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.[/p][/quote]what an absolutely ridiculous comment. Do you not think that the people who work in the public sector also pay taxes that fund local government?? If all the council staff took a pay cut that would have a knock on effect on the town centre economy where half the staff spend their money at lunchtime. The council pays competative salaries to employ decent staff, just the same as the private sector does. Except if you're employed in the private sector you don't have to listen to the drivel that comes out of the mouths of people like you.[/p][/quote]'people like me',,,,obviously you work at the council to make a comment like that and to think it was a ridiculous comment i made,,,,,,,so stuff the paycut lets just chuck them all on benefits where they will pay no taxes at all towards local government and spend even less on the town centre economy,,,,,,if half the people at the council were capable of earning decent wages in line with the private sector they wouldn't be working at the council in the first place..........would they! Cushy number coming to an end for the gravy train passengers and so the ordinary people have to suffer a drop in what is already a sub standard service just to keep those providing it in a job,,,,,paycut or no job, you choose![/p][/quote]Rumpole, make sure you save some of the coddy muck coming out of your mouth for your roses in spring! Most staff at the council are multi-skilled and highly trained. To keep highly trained, you pay good wages. Don't blame me because you couldn't get a job at the town hall, you selfish t!t. The fact that you are mocking someone's misfortune shows what a slimeball you are.[/p][/quote]yes! you definately work at the council with an attitude like that towards other people opinions. If most of the staff are so multi-skilled and highly trained then it really shouldn't be a problem if they do lose their jobs at the council, they could always get a job in the private sector and wouldn't have to listen to the opinions of the very council tax payers that fund their wages. I would never apply for a job at the council, far too intelligent to work with people like you, and i don't think any of my relatives work at the council either otherwise i would have had a job there years ago. Common sense says paycut and have a job, council thinking is gravy train with fewer passengers! I'm not actually mocking someones misfortune as you say, more like mocking their ability to use common sense![/p][/quote]Oh dear me, what buffoon you are. Ok, lets get you up to speed. The unions are discussing paycuts and unpaid leave as some of the options. Clearly you did not know this before you decided to vent your festering spleen. As for questioning you opinion. Opinions are fine, made up coddy muck and pure drivel is an insult to the readers of this comments page. Also Mr buffoon, could I actually question where these 1000 private sector jobs are going to come from? I think the Direct.gov web site has an average of 15 a day, far less than what is required, and that does not account for people already on benefits. As for you working at the council, your 'me, me, me' attitude would not last 5 seconds. You would be cast out as a selfish leaper, as a ignorant being as a ... as a .... buffoon.[/p][/quote]actually, "Mr. i work for the council but maybe not for much longer", i was not the one that brought up the subject of the private sector, that was done by one of your own that said if paycuts were made officers would leave 'immediately' and there wouldn't be anyone as multi-skilled or highly trained as them that would take these jobs on a minimum wage so get your facts right. All your comments and name calling just goes to show what kind of attitude some workers at the council have towards people who don't work at the council. i quote you, "As for you working at the council, your 'me, me, me' attitude would not last 5 seconds. You would be cast out as a selfish leaper, as a ignorant being as a ... as a .... buffoon.""",,,, so this comment has nothing to do with 'you, you, you being thrown off the gravy train at the next station? i quote you again, "The unions are discussing paycuts and unpaid leave as some of the options. Clearly you did not know this before you decided to vent your festering spleen.",,,,,I'm such a buffoon that without knowing this before i vented my 'festering spleen', as you so eloquently put it, i suggested the same thing as what the unions are discussing....are they buffoons as well? and do you subscribe to the union buffoons? and you wonder why you are so worried about losing your job....being cast aside....like a 'LEPER', hope spelling isn't a pre-requisite for your job or you would have to 'leap' before you are pushed.[/p][/quote]Rumpole you've obviously applied for a job at the council previously and been turned down hence your ridiculous non-sensical rants. No-body likes to lose their jobs but once again idiots like you assume that because it's public sector jobs it doesn't matter and anyone who worked at the council was overpaid and under-worked. The fact is that many private sector companies rely on work from the public sector but with the funding cuts both will be worse off. Fantastic Mr Fox
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8:21pm Tue 8 Feb 11

dotcomedy101 says...

wing commander bomber harris wrote:
Rumpole wrote:
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Rumpole wrote: I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.
what an absolutely ridiculous comment. Do you not think that the people who work in the public sector also pay taxes that fund local government?? If all the council staff took a pay cut that would have a knock on effect on the town centre economy where half the staff spend their money at lunchtime. The council pays competative salaries to employ decent staff, just the same as the private sector does. Except if you're employed in the private sector you don't have to listen to the drivel that comes out of the mouths of people like you.
'people like me',,,,obviously you work at the council to make a comment like that and to think it was a ridiculous comment i made,,,,,,,so stuff the paycut lets just chuck them all on benefits where they will pay no taxes at all towards local government and spend even less on the town centre economy,,,,,,if half the people at the council were capable of earning decent wages in line with the private sector they wouldn't be working at the council in the first place..........would they! Cushy number coming to an end for the gravy train passengers and so the ordinary people have to suffer a drop in what is already a sub standard service just to keep those providing it in a job,,,,,paycut or no job, you choose!
Rumpole, make sure you save some of the coddy muck coming out of your mouth for your roses in spring! Most staff at the council are multi-skilled and highly trained. To keep highly trained, you pay good wages. Don't blame me because you couldn't get a job at the town hall, you selfish t!t. The fact that you are mocking someone's misfortune shows what a slimeball you are.
most staff at the council are not highly trained and skilled - fact. most staff at the council may be highly skilled in not using their training for the good of the Borough - fact.

for example why pay a gritter driver nearly 70 quid an hour = time and a half, to grit and then not give him grit to grit the roads or have the gritter driver say that its too unsafe to grit????????????????
???????
[quote][p][bold]wing commander bomber harris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lenny Leonard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.[/p][/quote]what an absolutely ridiculous comment. Do you not think that the people who work in the public sector also pay taxes that fund local government?? If all the council staff took a pay cut that would have a knock on effect on the town centre economy where half the staff spend their money at lunchtime. The council pays competative salaries to employ decent staff, just the same as the private sector does. Except if you're employed in the private sector you don't have to listen to the drivel that comes out of the mouths of people like you.[/p][/quote]'people like me',,,,obviously you work at the council to make a comment like that and to think it was a ridiculous comment i made,,,,,,,so stuff the paycut lets just chuck them all on benefits where they will pay no taxes at all towards local government and spend even less on the town centre economy,,,,,,if half the people at the council were capable of earning decent wages in line with the private sector they wouldn't be working at the council in the first place..........would they! Cushy number coming to an end for the gravy train passengers and so the ordinary people have to suffer a drop in what is already a sub standard service just to keep those providing it in a job,,,,,paycut or no job, you choose![/p][/quote]Rumpole, make sure you save some of the coddy muck coming out of your mouth for your roses in spring! Most staff at the council are multi-skilled and highly trained. To keep highly trained, you pay good wages. Don't blame me because you couldn't get a job at the town hall, you selfish t!t. The fact that you are mocking someone's misfortune shows what a slimeball you are.[/p][/quote]most staff at the council are not highly trained and skilled - fact. most staff at the council may be highly skilled in not using their training for the good of the Borough - fact. for example why pay a gritter driver nearly 70 quid an hour = time and a half, to grit and then not give him grit to grit the roads or have the gritter driver say that its too unsafe to grit???????????????? ??????? dotcomedy101
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8:28pm Tue 8 Feb 11

wing commander bomber harris says...

dotcomedy101 wrote:
wing commander bomber harris wrote:
Rumpole wrote:
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Rumpole wrote: I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.
what an absolutely ridiculous comment. Do you not think that the people who work in the public sector also pay taxes that fund local government?? If all the council staff took a pay cut that would have a knock on effect on the town centre economy where half the staff spend their money at lunchtime. The council pays competative salaries to employ decent staff, just the same as the private sector does. Except if you're employed in the private sector you don't have to listen to the drivel that comes out of the mouths of people like you.
'people like me',,,,obviously you work at the council to make a comment like that and to think it was a ridiculous comment i made,,,,,,,so stuff the paycut lets just chuck them all on benefits where they will pay no taxes at all towards local government and spend even less on the town centre economy,,,,,,if half the people at the council were capable of earning decent wages in line with the private sector they wouldn't be working at the council in the first place..........would they! Cushy number coming to an end for the gravy train passengers and so the ordinary people have to suffer a drop in what is already a sub standard service just to keep those providing it in a job,,,,,paycut or no job, you choose!
Rumpole, make sure you save some of the coddy muck coming out of your mouth for your roses in spring! Most staff at the council are multi-skilled and highly trained. To keep highly trained, you pay good wages. Don't blame me because you couldn't get a job at the town hall, you selfish t!t. The fact that you are mocking someone's misfortune shows what a slimeball you are.
most staff at the council are not highly trained and skilled - fact. most staff at the council may be highly skilled in not using their training for the good of the Borough - fact. for example why pay a gritter driver nearly 70 quid an hour = time and a half, to grit and then not give him grit to grit the roads or have the gritter driver say that its too unsafe to grit???????????????? ???????
and you know this for a fact because?

£70 p/h where did you get this from?

come on, name your sources!!
[quote][p][bold]dotcomedy101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wing commander bomber harris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lenny Leonard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.[/p][/quote]what an absolutely ridiculous comment. Do you not think that the people who work in the public sector also pay taxes that fund local government?? If all the council staff took a pay cut that would have a knock on effect on the town centre economy where half the staff spend their money at lunchtime. The council pays competative salaries to employ decent staff, just the same as the private sector does. Except if you're employed in the private sector you don't have to listen to the drivel that comes out of the mouths of people like you.[/p][/quote]'people like me',,,,obviously you work at the council to make a comment like that and to think it was a ridiculous comment i made,,,,,,,so stuff the paycut lets just chuck them all on benefits where they will pay no taxes at all towards local government and spend even less on the town centre economy,,,,,,if half the people at the council were capable of earning decent wages in line with the private sector they wouldn't be working at the council in the first place..........would they! Cushy number coming to an end for the gravy train passengers and so the ordinary people have to suffer a drop in what is already a sub standard service just to keep those providing it in a job,,,,,paycut or no job, you choose![/p][/quote]Rumpole, make sure you save some of the coddy muck coming out of your mouth for your roses in spring! Most staff at the council are multi-skilled and highly trained. To keep highly trained, you pay good wages. Don't blame me because you couldn't get a job at the town hall, you selfish t!t. The fact that you are mocking someone's misfortune shows what a slimeball you are.[/p][/quote]most staff at the council are not highly trained and skilled - fact. most staff at the council may be highly skilled in not using their training for the good of the Borough - fact. for example why pay a gritter driver nearly 70 quid an hour = time and a half, to grit and then not give him grit to grit the roads or have the gritter driver say that its too unsafe to grit???????????????? ???????[/p][/quote]and you know this for a fact because? £70 p/h where did you get this from? come on, name your sources!! wing commander bomber harris
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8:30pm Tue 8 Feb 11

dotcomedy101 says...

wing commander bomber harris wrote:
dotcomedy101 wrote:
wing commander bomber harris wrote:
Rumpole wrote:
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Rumpole wrote: I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.
what an absolutely ridiculous comment. Do you not think that the people who work in the public sector also pay taxes that fund local government?? If all the council staff took a pay cut that would have a knock on effect on the town centre economy where half the staff spend their money at lunchtime. The council pays competative salaries to employ decent staff, just the same as the private sector does. Except if you're employed in the private sector you don't have to listen to the drivel that comes out of the mouths of people like you.
'people like me',,,,obviously you work at the council to make a comment like that and to think it was a ridiculous comment i made,,,,,,,so stuff the paycut lets just chuck them all on benefits where they will pay no taxes at all towards local government and spend even less on the town centre economy,,,,,,if half the people at the council were capable of earning decent wages in line with the private sector they wouldn't be working at the council in the first place..........would they! Cushy number coming to an end for the gravy train passengers and so the ordinary people have to suffer a drop in what is already a sub standard service just to keep those providing it in a job,,,,,paycut or no job, you choose!
Rumpole, make sure you save some of the coddy muck coming out of your mouth for your roses in spring! Most staff at the council are multi-skilled and highly trained. To keep highly trained, you pay good wages. Don't blame me because you couldn't get a job at the town hall, you selfish t!t. The fact that you are mocking someone's misfortune shows what a slimeball you are.
most staff at the council are not highly trained and skilled - fact. most staff at the council may be highly skilled in not using their training for the good of the Borough - fact. for example why pay a gritter driver nearly 70 quid an hour = time and a half, to grit and then not give him grit to grit the roads or have the gritter driver say that its too unsafe to grit???????????????? ???????
and you know this for a fact because? £70 p/h where did you get this from? come on, name your sources!!
the source is a guy who drives the gritter and gobs off about it in the pub.no names though.
[quote][p][bold]wing commander bomber harris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dotcomedy101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wing commander bomber harris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lenny Leonard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.[/p][/quote]what an absolutely ridiculous comment. Do you not think that the people who work in the public sector also pay taxes that fund local government?? If all the council staff took a pay cut that would have a knock on effect on the town centre economy where half the staff spend their money at lunchtime. The council pays competative salaries to employ decent staff, just the same as the private sector does. Except if you're employed in the private sector you don't have to listen to the drivel that comes out of the mouths of people like you.[/p][/quote]'people like me',,,,obviously you work at the council to make a comment like that and to think it was a ridiculous comment i made,,,,,,,so stuff the paycut lets just chuck them all on benefits where they will pay no taxes at all towards local government and spend even less on the town centre economy,,,,,,if half the people at the council were capable of earning decent wages in line with the private sector they wouldn't be working at the council in the first place..........would they! Cushy number coming to an end for the gravy train passengers and so the ordinary people have to suffer a drop in what is already a sub standard service just to keep those providing it in a job,,,,,paycut or no job, you choose![/p][/quote]Rumpole, make sure you save some of the coddy muck coming out of your mouth for your roses in spring! Most staff at the council are multi-skilled and highly trained. To keep highly trained, you pay good wages. Don't blame me because you couldn't get a job at the town hall, you selfish t!t. The fact that you are mocking someone's misfortune shows what a slimeball you are.[/p][/quote]most staff at the council are not highly trained and skilled - fact. most staff at the council may be highly skilled in not using their training for the good of the Borough - fact. for example why pay a gritter driver nearly 70 quid an hour = time and a half, to grit and then not give him grit to grit the roads or have the gritter driver say that its too unsafe to grit???????????????? ???????[/p][/quote]and you know this for a fact because? £70 p/h where did you get this from? come on, name your sources!![/p][/quote]the source is a guy who drives the gritter and gobs off about it in the pub.no names though. dotcomedy101
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8:33pm Tue 8 Feb 11

time.team says...

To Mr or Mrs Walsh, Darwen:
Nice to know that your also into the alcoholic beverage, made of fermented fruit juice, usually from grapes that you so knowledgeably describe.
However, your not so bad at the long-drawn, high-pitched complaining cry or sound knowingly known as whining yourself are you.
-
Keep well, but pour yourself another glass of fermented fruit juice and have a read of your Shuttle!
To Mr or Mrs Walsh, Darwen: Nice to know that your also into the alcoholic beverage, made of fermented fruit juice, usually from grapes that you so knowledgeably describe. However, your not so bad at the long-drawn, high-pitched complaining cry or sound knowingly known as whining yourself are you. - Keep well, but pour yourself another glass of fermented fruit juice and have a read of your Shuttle! time.team
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8:51pm Tue 8 Feb 11

annefromlancs says...

Just a thought - There are 45 staff in the Housing Department - why?
Didn't Twin Valleys and their own staff take over the control and running of all the council housing in Blackburn and Darwen 10 years ago? What exactly do these 45 people do ??
Just a thought - There are 45 staff in the Housing Department - why? Didn't Twin Valleys and their own staff take over the control and running of all the council housing in Blackburn and Darwen 10 years ago? What exactly do these 45 people do ?? annefromlancs
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9:13pm Tue 8 Feb 11

Rumpole says...

To set the record straight, Mr Fantastic Fox.....i have never in my life applied for a job at the council to be turned down, i've always been more ambitious than that.
To set the record straight, Mr Fantastic Fox.....i have never in my life applied for a job at the council to be turned down, i've always been more ambitious than that. Rumpole
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12:31am Wed 9 Feb 11

barry east says...

a good way of saving money would be to dis connect all the street lighting up audley,..accrington rd,. larkhill,.. barbara castle way,... montague st,.. beardswood,... preston new rd,... its very "dark" in these areas anyway.
a good way of saving money would be to dis connect all the street lighting up audley,..accrington rd,. larkhill,.. barbara castle way,... montague st,.. beardswood,... preston new rd,... its very "dark" in these areas anyway. barry east
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12:40am Wed 9 Feb 11

granty says...

sometimes the shortest statements say the most:)

I'm beginning to like you Rumpole.

Maybe we can go laugh together at Mr Arrogant when he goes for his dole
money.


them-want .
security words...ironic
sometimes the shortest statements say the most:) I'm beginning to like you Rumpole. Maybe we can go laugh together at Mr Arrogant when he goes for his dole money. them-want . security words...ironic granty
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8:37am Wed 9 Feb 11

happycyclist says...

annefromlancs wrote:
Just a thought - There are 45 staff in the Housing Department - why?
Didn't Twin Valleys and their own staff take over the control and running of all the council housing in Blackburn and Darwen 10 years ago? What exactly do these 45 people do ??
I thought that.
[quote][p][bold]annefromlancs[/bold] wrote: Just a thought - There are 45 staff in the Housing Department - why? Didn't Twin Valleys and their own staff take over the control and running of all the council housing in Blackburn and Darwen 10 years ago? What exactly do these 45 people do ??[/p][/quote]I thought that. happycyclist
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9:16am Wed 9 Feb 11

sylvester lucky says...

What a good idea lets shut the parks so the kids have no where to run around and play. Lets close the leisure centres at weekend when they aren't at school. Lets close the libraries. Then we can have a generation of obese kids who aren't interested in the fresh air or sports, who are unable to swim and who also have no interest in books or can't read(NO LIBRARIES N PARENTS CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY BOOKS). Then we can all sit back and complain when these obese,lazy,illiterat
e kids run around causing havoc cos they are bored and blame the parents!!!!!
What a good idea lets shut the parks so the kids have no where to run around and play. Lets close the leisure centres at weekend when they aren't at school. Lets close the libraries. Then we can have a generation of obese kids who aren't interested in the fresh air or sports, who are unable to swim and who also have no interest in books or can't read(NO LIBRARIES N PARENTS CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY BOOKS). Then we can all sit back and complain when these obese,lazy,illiterat e kids run around causing havoc cos they are bored and blame the parents!!!!! sylvester lucky
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10:47am Wed 9 Feb 11

BjornAganeByka says...

I'll be sad to see "The Shuttle" less often - I'll have to buy something for my dog to sh*t on.
I'll be sad to see "The Shuttle" less often - I'll have to buy something for my dog to sh*t on. BjornAganeByka
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10:48am Wed 9 Feb 11

Gaz M says...

Blackburnmum slightly wrong a thoroughly depressing TIME to live in.
Blackburnmum slightly wrong a thoroughly depressing TIME to live in. Gaz M
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1:47pm Wed 9 Feb 11

Rumpole says...

BjornAganeByka wrote:
I'll be sad to see "The Shuttle" less often - I'll have to buy something for my dog to sh*t on.
get the sh_i_tizen instead........
[quote][p][bold]BjornAganeByka[/bold] wrote: I'll be sad to see "The Shuttle" less often - I'll have to buy something for my dog to sh*t on.[/p][/quote]get the sh_i_tizen instead........ Rumpole
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3:55pm Wed 9 Feb 11

sean_brfc says...

I have to admit that I rather enjoy reading the Shuttle, although it is definitely one of the first things that should be scrapped. The Citizen, on the other hand, is incredibly boring.
I have to admit that I rather enjoy reading the Shuttle, although it is definitely one of the first things that should be scrapped. The Citizen, on the other hand, is incredibly boring. sean_brfc
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7:13pm Wed 9 Feb 11

tlt says...

dotcomedy101 wrote:
wing commander bomber harris wrote:
dotcomedy101 wrote:
wing commander bomber harris wrote:
Rumpole wrote:
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Rumpole wrote: I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.
what an absolutely ridiculous comment. Do you not think that the people who work in the public sector also pay taxes that fund local government?? If all the council staff took a pay cut that would have a knock on effect on the town centre economy where half the staff spend their money at lunchtime. The council pays competative salaries to employ decent staff, just the same as the private sector does. Except if you're employed in the private sector you don't have to listen to the drivel that comes out of the mouths of people like you.
'people like me',,,,obviously you work at the council to make a comment like that and to think it was a ridiculous comment i made,,,,,,,so stuff the paycut lets just chuck them all on benefits where they will pay no taxes at all towards local government and spend even less on the town centre economy,,,,,,if half the people at the council were capable of earning decent wages in line with the private sector they wouldn't be working at the council in the first place..........would they! Cushy number coming to an end for the gravy train passengers and so the ordinary people have to suffer a drop in what is already a sub standard service just to keep those providing it in a job,,,,,paycut or no job, you choose!
Rumpole, make sure you save some of the coddy muck coming out of your mouth for your roses in spring! Most staff at the council are multi-skilled and highly trained. To keep highly trained, you pay good wages. Don't blame me because you couldn't get a job at the town hall, you selfish t!t. The fact that you are mocking someone's misfortune shows what a slimeball you are.
most staff at the council are not highly trained and skilled - fact. most staff at the council may be highly skilled in not using their training for the good of the Borough - fact. for example why pay a gritter driver nearly 70 quid an hour = time and a half, to grit and then not give him grit to grit the roads or have the gritter driver say that its too unsafe to grit???????????????? ???????
and you know this for a fact because? £70 p/h where did you get this from? come on, name your sources!!
the source is a guy who drives the gritter and gobs off about it in the pub.no names though.
70 quid an hour, pmsl they should be so lucky.
the last time i looked(january) it was £ 14, so Lenny yer mates either takin the pish or in these times of cuts the council in there magnitude, decided to up there hourly rate to 70 quid, ill let you choose .lol
[quote][p][bold]dotcomedy101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wing commander bomber harris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dotcomedy101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wing commander bomber harris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lenny Leonard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rumpole[/bold] wrote: I believe, as it is the council that is employed by and paid for by the people it is meant to serve, it should be us that decide where the cuts should fall. Anyone earning more than the minmum wage should take an immediate pay cut, why should they get more in wages than the average council tax payer earns in the real world.[/p][/quote]what an absolutely ridiculous comment. Do you not think that the people who work in the public sector also pay taxes that fund local government?? If all the council staff took a pay cut that would have a knock on effect on the town centre economy where half the staff spend their money at lunchtime. The council pays competative salaries to employ decent staff, just the same as the private sector does. Except if you're employed in the private sector you don't have to listen to the drivel that comes out of the mouths of people like you.[/p][/quote]'people like me',,,,obviously you work at the council to make a comment like that and to think it was a ridiculous comment i made,,,,,,,so stuff the paycut lets just chuck them all on benefits where they will pay no taxes at all towards local government and spend even less on the town centre economy,,,,,,if half the people at the council were capable of earning decent wages in line with the private sector they wouldn't be working at the council in the first place..........would they! Cushy number coming to an end for the gravy train passengers and so the ordinary people have to suffer a drop in what is already a sub standard service just to keep those providing it in a job,,,,,paycut or no job, you choose![/p][/quote]Rumpole, make sure you save some of the coddy muck coming out of your mouth for your roses in spring! Most staff at the council are multi-skilled and highly trained. To keep highly trained, you pay good wages. Don't blame me because you couldn't get a job at the town hall, you selfish t!t. The fact that you are mocking someone's misfortune shows what a slimeball you are.[/p][/quote]most staff at the council are not highly trained and skilled - fact. most staff at the council may be highly skilled in not using their training for the good of the Borough - fact. for example why pay a gritter driver nearly 70 quid an hour = time and a half, to grit and then not give him grit to grit the roads or have the gritter driver say that its too unsafe to grit???????????????? ???????[/p][/quote]and you know this for a fact because? £70 p/h where did you get this from? come on, name your sources!![/p][/quote]the source is a guy who drives the gritter and gobs off about it in the pub.no names though.[/p][/quote]70 quid an hour, pmsl they should be so lucky. the last time i looked(january) it was £ 14, so Lenny yer mates either takin the pish or in these times of cuts the council in there magnitude, decided to up there hourly rate to 70 quid, ill let you choose .lol tlt
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