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7:00pm Friday 19th March 2010 in
TWO Blackburn brothers who called themselves the Blackburn Resistance have been found guilty of terrorism offences.
But the judge who jailed Abbas and Ilyas Iqbal for a total of four years and six months said the prosecution case had been overstated, and told them: 'I doubt you would have amounted to much'.
Judge Andrew Gilbart said ringleader Abbas’ downfall and ‘great weakness’ may have been vanity as he ‘looked like he was getting ready to carry out an attack’.
A third defendant, Muhammad Ali Ahmad, 26, of Whalley Range, was found not guilty of preparation for acts of terrorism.
Outside court, he demanded an inquiry into the case, claiming the prosecution was motivated by Islamaphobia. Judge Gilbart said it was shocking Ahmad had spent 387 days in custody ‘for doing absolutely nothing’.
After the case police said the convictions of the Iqbal brothers had ‘vindicated’ their investigation.
Abbas Iqbal, 24, was sentenced to three years in prison after being found guilty of two offences.
The dissemination of terrorist publications charge was linked to pictures, audio clips and videos found on his mobile phone at Manchester Airport in August 2008.
Preparation for acts of terrorism included training and stockpiling weapons at his home in Percival Street.
Ilyas Iqbal, 23, also of Percival Street, was sentenced to 18 months for possession of a publication likely to be useful for terrorists, a blue ring binder containing his notes about weapons and military tactics.
Sentencing Abbas at Manchester Crown Court, Judge Andrew Gilbart, said: "The terrorism of which we are dealing here is not terrorism directed at civilians in this country.
"The prosecution case was that you wanted to give support to the suffering of the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan and perhaps assist the Palestinian resistance in the occupied territories of that unhappy region."
The judge said that ‘much of the prosecution case was overstated’ and that he did not consider the actions of the duo in Corporation Park, in which they filmed themselves in combat gear, as preparing for terrorism.
But addressing Abbas he said: "I did find that you wanted to make yourself experienced in the use of weapons.
"Your level of skill and knowledge was at the low end of the scale.
"You fancied yourself as a fighter for the cause but truth be told you were a pretty low grade one and I doubt that you would have amounted to much.
"You are committed to the return of these countries to what you see is the true path and believe that it can be properly achieved by the use of terrorism."
Judge Gilbart said Abbas had used the footage of his brother and Mr Ahmad engaging in ‘a bit of innocent fooling about in the park’ and presented it as ‘much more serious’ and that it was ‘not surprising’ the police had treated it as ‘the activities of a terrorist cell’.
Addressing Ilyas, he said he did not believe the evidence showed he was preparing for acts of terrorism, for which he was cleared.
But referring to the binder he said: "You do have a genuine interest in weapons, military warfare and history and your skill in that area did make it useful."
Abbas, who had served 447 days in custody, is likely to serve another three to four months in jail.
Ilyas, who had also spent 447 days in custody, walked free from court. He declined to comment as he left court.
John Burton, defending Abbas, said the material on his client's phone was a case of ‘the element of recklessness more than intent’ and, along with his preparation, was ‘at the very low end of the scale’.
However, Judge Gilbart said that while there was no evidence Abbas was preparing for a specific attack, ‘It looked like he was getting himself ready so he could one day do it.’ The judge said: "It may be that his greatest sin, his greatest weakness, is actually his vanity."
Roderick Price, defending Ilyas, said his client's offences were also at ‘the low end of the scale’ and the judge admitted he would have ‘difficulty’ sentencing him.
However, Judge Gilbart criticised prosecutors and police for the way that Mr Ahmad had been treated, spending 387 days in custody and losing nearly two years of his life before he was found to be innocent.
He said: "I find it quite shocking how long he had been in there for doing absolutely nothing."
A police spokesman for the North West Counter Terrorism Unit speaking at court said its investigations had been ‘vindicated’.
He said: "I am happy with the results that the jury came back with and I feel that the results vindicate the inquiry, which in some quarters we have been criticised for.
"I feel we have justified the efforts and energies of the staff who worked on this in the counter terrorism unit. I think any terrorism offence is serious and they need to be thoroughly investigated."
Blackburn community leader Lord Adam Patel said: "If they are guilty, they have got the right punishment.
"I am very disappointed in them and that this has happened in my home town of Blackburn. The majority of the ethnic community is working hard to build better relations and the community will be disappointed for the same reasons."
Blackburn MP Jack Straw said: "They had a fair trial as they are entitled and I think this verdict sends out a message to the public about the determination of the authorities to keep people safe.
"Overwhelmingly the Asian community was shocked by the allegations.”
Former councillor and community leader Hussain Akhtar said: "The community is shocked and we are not happy with what these boys have done.
"We try to raise good citizens in Blackburn and people feel let down.
"They come from a good family and they have let their family down as well. I hope in the future this will make people think twice."
Comments(39)
Akki
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12:50pm Fri 19 Mar 10
Lancs - pensioner
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4:20pm Fri 19 Mar 10
tenerc
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5:02pm Fri 19 Mar 10
rggraham1947
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5:05pm Fri 19 Mar 10
ExForces
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5:13pm Fri 19 Mar 10
rggraham1947 wrote:whilst i agree the sentances are laughable, why does everyone think that putting people in the army and sending them to the 'frontline' will sort them out? like all the scumbags doledossers and criminals we wouldnt want them in the army!
"Abbas Iqbal has been sentenced to three years in prison and Ilyas Iqbal to 18 months." These sentences are laughable; conscript them into the army and send them to Afghanistan.
ste.g
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6:12pm Fri 19 Mar 10
prestonlad
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6:12pm Fri 19 Mar 10
The offspring
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6:35pm Fri 19 Mar 10
Stone Island
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6:48pm Fri 19 Mar 10
suttydog
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7:18pm Fri 19 Mar 10
excaliber
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7:44pm Fri 19 Mar 10
ExForces wrote:Send them to Helmand and get them clean up the mines that their Taliban brothers have planted all over the place. Maybe if they get their limbs blown off it will take some of the glamour out of playing at terrorists.
rggraham1947 wrote:whilst i agree the sentances are laughable, why does everyone think that putting people in the army and sending them to the 'frontline' will sort them out? like all the scumbags doledossers and criminals we wouldnt want them in the army!
"Abbas Iqbal has been sentenced to three years in prison and Ilyas Iqbal to 18 months." These sentences are laughable; conscript them into the army and send them to Afghanistan.
a remote island in the pacific somewhere would be more apt.
social cohesian is a buzz word, that quite frankly doesnt exist. closing the borders wont solve the problem but its a bloody good start.
Tosh67
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8:32pm Fri 19 Mar 10
ExForces wrote:ExForces - this sounds like a recent conversation i had with an exforces chap in the local recently, i am ex-rn and like i said during the chat,just like the meerkat says - simples, the problems start when the lunatics from government and justice/lawyers get involved.
rggraham1947 wrote: "Abbas Iqbal has been sentenced to three years in prison and Ilyas Iqbal to 18 months." These sentences are laughable; conscript them into the army and send them to Afghanistan.whilst i agree the sentances are laughable, why does everyone think that putting people in the army and sending them to the 'frontline' will sort them out? like all the scumbags doledossers and criminals we wouldnt want them in the army! a remote island in the pacific somewhere would be more apt. social cohesian is a buzz word, that quite frankly doesnt exist. closing the borders wont solve the problem but its a bloody good start.
blackburner
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9:15pm Fri 19 Mar 10
Hammurabi
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9:24pm Fri 19 Mar 10
tenerc wrote:I also heard the Muslim "inter-faith officer" on the radio, and she went out of her way to avoid condemning these would-be murderers, but rather to blame what the non-muslims must have done to provoke them. She made similar comments when the video tapes of Muslim children being taught to kill Jews and non-believers were made public. We should be very worried when an apologist for Islamic terror is given a prominent role in a cathedral.
the local “inter faith officer” from the cathedral, just made a fool of her self on live radio, she compared these terrorist wanna-be as “i remember going to the park and playing cowboys and RED indians” (must be P.C now) yea maybe when you where 8!! not 23 & 24. also she said we need at ask questions why they did what they did, what could she mean by that? not the same old argument surely.
Come the Revolution
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10:51pm Fri 19 Mar 10
retired one
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11:26pm Fri 19 Mar 10
l m h jones
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11:31pm Fri 19 Mar 10
excaliber
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11:43pm Fri 19 Mar 10
Come the Revolution wrote:Dont agree. OK, this "Blackburn Resistance" are more akin to Citzen Smith than Al Qaeeda. Using a public library to download literature is hardly the hallmark of a professional terrorist.(I was there when the police seized the hard drive of that PC). The real terrorists - who are undoubtedly at large within the communities - will go out of their way not to look or act like terrorists. Its always those whom you least suspect.
The whole thing has been OTT. Waste of public money. Three silly lads who needed to grow up. Obviously very short on grey matter, but certainly not terrorists. I've no time for Islam, as most of the real terrorists in this country seem to operate under this banner. By the way, WTF is that shopkeeper doing selling all that sh*te in the first place?.
montecassino
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1:46am Sat 20 Mar 10
chrislancs
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7:28am Sat 20 Mar 10
suttydog
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8:37am Sat 20 Mar 10
pez63
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9:16am Sat 20 Mar 10
Robbie
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10:48am Sat 20 Mar 10
allanwilson
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10:52am Sat 20 Mar 10
rggraham1947 wrote:I just wonder what would have happened if I had been walking in corporation park & had stumbled across them while they playing in the grass. Then took a photo of them on my mobile if they had seen me take the photo what do you think they would they have done. Let me walk away I don’t think so.
"Abbas Iqbal has been sentenced to three years in prison and Ilyas Iqbal to 18 months." These sentences are laughable; conscript them into the army and send them to Afghanistan.
Robbie
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10:53am Sat 20 Mar 10
The offspring wrote:Personally, i was thinking the same.
They are British and in my opinion they are guilty of treason,Hang em high i say.
IanHuddy
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11:31am Sat 20 Mar 10
suttydog wrote:At least take the time and effort to learn the language of the country you profess to love.
NOTICE THERE AINT ANY SO CALLED BRITISH MUSLINS ON HERE, THEY KEEPING VERY QUIETE. any body who dont like this country or how we want to live can leave nobody stopping them. or maybe go fight with there brothers in afganistan. oh but there they will be fighting proper hard men the british armed forces
chocky
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12:01pm Sat 20 Mar 10
dingle-berry
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1:38pm Sat 20 Mar 10
Lamp it!
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1:47pm Sat 20 Mar 10
past.times01
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2:44pm Sat 20 Mar 10
ExForces
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2:54pm Sat 20 Mar 10
Robbie wrote:afraid to say our beloved jack straw changed the law (1998 i think) so that there is no offence of that warrants hanging, even treason is now just a custodial sentance.
The offspring wrote: They are British and in my opinion they are guilty of treason,Hang em high i say.Personally, i was thinking the same. Even if someone does not hold a British passport, if they live on British shores, they are a resident. Any internal attack is an attack on the queen. and this is Treason, which is a hanging offence.
BlueSkies
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4:13pm Sat 20 Mar 10
l m h jones
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4:19pm Sat 20 Mar 10
suttydog wrote:suttydog what has a posters religion got to do with local outrage at the leniency of sentencing? how do you know what religion posters are? ps there are muslims in the british army. Why on earth do you assume that british muslims would allign themselves with the prats in the taleban in afghanistan? the topic surely is about idiots in blackburn roaming around and posing with weapons and offensive images and not being given strong deterent sentences.
NOTICE THERE AINT ANY SO CALLED BRITISH MUSLINS ON HERE, THEY KEEPING VERY QUIETE. any body who dont like this country or how we want to live can leave nobody stopping them. or maybe go fight with there brothers in afganistan. oh but there they will be fighting proper hard men the british armed forces
district01
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4:40pm Sat 20 Mar 10
vintageclaret
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5:59pm Sat 20 Mar 10
rggraham1947 wrote:No, not INTO the army! Just send them out to play being the terrorists they want to be, then they will face the army & not part of it. Next round up those who brainwashed what is obviously a bunch of no-marks, two pork sausage short of a BBQ, stop all the the funding (no bets taken it's all benefit supplied & which probably run into thousands of £s per week) thenget shut from the country, regardless of where they were born. It's time the decent people from both religions stood up to be counted and stopped behaving like the Catholics did during the Inquisition. Believing in the hell-fire and damnation pulchritude preached by people who leech on simple minds is something from the Dark Ages. Time to WAKE UP!
"Abbas Iqbal has been sentenced to three years in prison and Ilyas Iqbal to 18 months." These sentences are laughable; conscript them into the army and send them to Afghanistan.
Cool Lad
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9:41pm Sat 20 Mar 10
Lamp it!
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11:05am Sun 21 Mar 10
l m h jones wrote:sadly you are misguided. why do you think people look at blackburn as an 'anti-model' of racial harmony?
suttydog wrote: NOTICE THERE AINT ANY SO CALLED BRITISH MUSLINS ON HERE, THEY KEEPING VERY QUIETE. any body who dont like this country or how we want to live can leave nobody stopping them. or maybe go fight with there brothers in afganistan. oh but there they will be fighting proper hard men the british armed forcessuttydog what has a posters religion got to do with local outrage at the leniency of sentencing? how do you know what religion posters are? ps there are muslims in the british army. Why on earth do you assume that british muslims would allign themselves with the prats in the taleban in afghanistan? the topic surely is about idiots in blackburn roaming around and posing with weapons and offensive images and not being given strong deterent sentences.
Hellboy
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3:18pm Mon 22 Mar 10
Cool Lad wrote:Shhh! That sounds a bit 'non-PC',mate!
Most of the so called Moslems I saw today on a visit to Blackburn were in competition with each of their mates to see who can do the most laps around Whalley range. The music was playing so loud my ears hurt as I walked past.
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I had to hang my head in shame as it was the most embarrassing thing for a decent young Muslim lad to see. Its funny how on one side we have these low life scum terrorists and on the other we have all the pimps and drug dealers.
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I believe these two brothers should be forced to apologise to all the people in their neighbourhood and be deported, simple as. Is it likely they will get a decent job once they are released? Probably working in a takeaway somewhere flipping burgers. Also thanks for deleting my comments twice Neil.
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phoebesgrandad says...
12:17pm Fri 19 Mar 10