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9:30am Saturday 1st October 2011 in News
By Sam Chadderton, Reporter
RESIDENTS are furious at a housing association for laying down a number of rules telling them to get their children under control.
Parents in Apple Close, Blackburn, are being told they must sign an agreement to stop their youngsters participating in a number of outlawed activities on the estate following a series of complaints.
Great Places Housing Group wants to stop children playing noisily after 8pm, walking on people’s lawns, looking through windows and letterboxes, dropping litter, and playing knock-a-door-run.
It said it was responding to problems with anti-social behaviour over the past 12 months.
The majority of residents have condemned the letter and have said they will not sign.
Apple Close resident Carl Harris has five children aged 14 to two-years-old.
He said: “Rather than the housing association asking everybody’s views, they’ve just done it.
“I’m worried that the next step could be eviction if we don’t sign the agreement.
“It is ridiculous. There’s no issues at all. Children are children and if someone came to us with an issue we would resolve the situation. Yet the agreement they want us to sign also stops us from approaching people.
“It is such an over-reaction. The close has been full of families with young children for years, if people can’t understand that they should look for somewhere else to live.
His wife Caroline, 35, said: “On the one hand they are asking us to be community spirited but on the other they are victimising our children.”
Mother-of-three Shguftah Patel, 38, said she was ‘furious’ with the lack of consultation.
She said she knew of only one resident who had complained.
“We’ve not had any contact from the police about unruly behaviour,” she said.
“We don’t want to sign it, but we are worried that if we don’t we could lose our homes. And if we do sign it and a child is reported for one of these allegations will we be kicked out anyway?
“I’ve told the housing association to give me a lead and I’ll put my children on it and reel the back because they seem to want us to treat them like dogs.”
The rules include: *My children do not trespass on other residents front doors, driveways, lawns.
*My children do not stare through residents’ windows or letterboxes.
*My children do not swear at other residents when told to move away from property.
*My children do not bully, swear or hit other children .
*After 8pm children playing out must be mindful of others and keep the noise down.
*My children do not play knock-a-door-run.
Residents * Speak to parents of children causing nuisance.
* However, if they don’t feel comfortable contact Great Places.
* At no time should they swear/shout at children.
Apple Close residents compared the response from the housing association to the lack of action when they lodged a complaint about a man accused of child sex offences being re-housed in the small, family community.
Mrs Patel, who has a 10-year-old son and two girls aged nine and five, said: “They didn’t protect us or our children then.
"What happened to working in partnership? We are all working parents and do not have time for these petty things.”
Guy Cresswell, director of housing at Great Places said: “Over the past 12 months, there have been problems with anti-social behaviour around Apple Close/Apple Court in Blackburn.
“Many of these incidents have involved some children from Apple Close using inappropriate language and threatening behaviour.
"These incidents were reported to our staff by several residents.
"As a result, we have been working in close consultation with all residents to resolve these issues.
“In September, several neighbours got together and drafted their own neighbourhood agreement in an effort to sort out the problems “After discussions with our staff it was felt that Great Places should come up with a neighbourhood agreement which could be sent to all residents.
“This was a reiteration of the tenancy agreement they had already signed with us.
"The agreement was sent out last week and some residents have already signed and returned it to us.
"If residents do not want to sign, we will discuss their concerns individually and continue to do all we can to make Apple Close and Apple Court safe and happy places to live.”
Comments(61)
Mikeee47
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10:21am Sat 1 Oct 11
sineaters wrote:Well said, & the country would be a better place, Kids shouldnt be roaming the streets in the dark after 8pm they should be getting a well earned rest so they're bright for school next day getting a FREE education, Make the most of it while you can, Its about time authorities took a stand, simple dont sign dont get housed. Keep your kids under control and you have nothing to worry about
if your kids are not feral scum then there's no need to worry
Seneca
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10:47am Sat 1 Oct 11
Shorty Medlocke
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10:49am Sat 1 Oct 11
loo82
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10:52am Sat 1 Oct 11
burner
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11:11am Sat 1 Oct 11
Seneca wrote:Astute!
It's usually the ones not seeing the problem that are the problem.
Steve4x4
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1:58pm Sat 1 Oct 11
happycyclist
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3:27pm Sat 1 Oct 11
Steve4x4 wrote:Well said.
Sadly it's not just a local problem, scummy mummys and chavy daddies are everywhere, most will never have done a days work and are claiming rent and benefits, they are all a drain on the country, these folk should be housed in some hi rise apartments blocks and locked in after 8pm....so the rest of us can have some peace.
happycyclist
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3:28pm Sat 1 Oct 11
Seneca wrote:Great comment.
It's usually the ones not seeing the problem that are the problem.
useyourhead
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3:34pm Sat 1 Oct 11
Atticman
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VicLou
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moh
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britguy
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prince of darkness
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Darren1951
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AnthonyUK
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AnthonyUK
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AnthonyUK
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St.R
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Lifeinthemix
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8:54am Mon 3 Oct 11
AnthonyUK
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9:02am Mon 3 Oct 11
Lifeinthemix wrote:The housing association have got it right and I hope they evict/punish anyone who refuses to control their kids behaviour and adhere to the agreement,AND they have the rights to do so if that is necessary and the parents don't and won't control the behaviour of their kids toward other tenants.
The one thing you as a human have absolute control over is when and for whom you sign yourself off as your commercial debt account. . There is no law nor mandated office which can force any signature that you are in agreement with whatever they want you to sign...you have that power of attorney for everything you do, especially as to weather you are going to identify yourself as the upper case commercial debt account, or the upper case mimic of your Christian name.
Lifeinthemix
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9:23am Mon 3 Oct 11
AnthonyUK
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9:41am Mon 3 Oct 11
Lifeinthemix wrote:So tenants kids can get away with whatever they like and you agree with it
so don't sign agreement and they have no contract to enforce.... . rule of thumb : . never sign anything you are not comfortable with, or know you are giving power to those who are of the fascist mindset if you sign to anything as an extra to your tenancy agreement. . signing your original agreement is all you are required by law to sign if you want to live in one of their homes, that is the agreement, that is the contract. They do not have the legal nor lawful right to demand anything else from you. if they make threats, record them and use them to prove malice and harassment in their demands.
Lifeinthemix
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9:45am Mon 3 Oct 11
Lifeinthemix
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9:48am Mon 3 Oct 11
common sense 2012
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10:18am Mon 3 Oct 11
AnthonyUK
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12:05pm Mon 3 Oct 11
common sense 2012 wrote:Lifeinthemix advocates a world where kids sticking two fingers up at tenants who have to put up with their behaviour and nobody in authority should be able to do anything about it,as a child I didnt feel the need to upset and harrass other people nor get abusive and swear at them,if I did I got walloped by my parents if I did,it isnt completely against the law to smack your kids for wrongdoing,a bit of discipline here and there with the threat of a smack for pushing the boundaries and patience isnt wrong at all. All the parents up in arms should be evicted instead of being allowed to bleat on about their kids right to be a nuisance and annoyance to ordinary people.
its about time that something is getting done my windows get stoned everynight i went to see the parents and got the door slammed in my face they said that they where only kids.
now the kids give me the v sign and say theres not a thing i can do i have reported this to the police there hands are tied the parents say not my child some other child must have done it
Lifeinthemix
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12:43pm Mon 3 Oct 11
Your ferret stinks
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1:44pm Mon 3 Oct 11
Lifeinthemix
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2:10pm Mon 3 Oct 11
ROBERTSLUMDWELLER123
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2:11pm Mon 3 Oct 11
Steve4x4 wrote:if you read the article it states most residents work!!
Sadly it's not just a local problem, scummy mummys and chavy daddies are everywhere, most will never have done a days work and are claiming rent and benefits, they are all a drain on the country, these folk should be housed in some hi rise apartments blocks and locked in after 8pm....so the rest of us can have some peace.
Shorty Medlocke
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Lifeinthemix
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3:46pm Mon 3 Oct 11
Your ferret stinks
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AnthonyUK
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Lifeinthemix
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6:41pm Mon 3 Oct 11
Your ferret stinks
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AnthonyUK
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Your ferret stinks
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Darren1951
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Lifeinthemix
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Lifeinthemix
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Darren1951
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Your ferret stinks
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Your ferret stinks
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Your ferret stinks
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AnthonyUK
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8:19pm Mon 3 Oct 11
Lifeinthemix wrote:Going out to a gang of kids and dealing with them as you advocate litm is highly fraught with risk:you risk getting assaulted,and if you touch them you get the wrath of the parents/police at your door/hauled in front of a court/criminal record that blights the rest of your life and a prison sentence. If you complain to a housing association they can deal with it and evict and make the perpetrators homeless without the risks you take in dealing with it yourself.
delusion is rife amongst this little gang, my ideals....? what the hell are you talking about?
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if children cause trouble in front of my street, i am out there, simple....that is the answer to the problem, not running like frightened rabbits because they shouted at you.
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what has happened to the male in this country?
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What you very badly try to hide, is your absolute contradiction.... you are trapped by the state and its insistence you cannot defend your own and shackles, you dislike this because it prevents the real men on your street from doing it for you, yet you type incessantly about how great is the state and hey...let us give it more power to confuse and destroy our cohesion...
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if you guys represent the new breed, then you need to go, period.....
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the Cameron Youth revealing their tiny selves
Lifeinthemix
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Darren1951
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Lifeinthemix
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Lifeinthemix
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Lifeinthemix
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Lifeinthemix
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AnthonyUK
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Darren1951
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retired one
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10:39pm Mon 3 Oct 11
Seneca wrote:I agree with you.
It's usually the ones not seeing the problem that are the problem.
Seneca
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10:44pm Mon 3 Oct 11
Lifeinthemix wrote:1/ You have to state at the beginning of the conversation you are recording it.
This is what we must avoid at all costs :
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http://www.youtube.c
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D4
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give these corporate housing associations no help in becoming the fascist dictatorships they covet
Lifeinthemix
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11:04pm Mon 3 Oct 11
Lifeinthemix
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AnthonyUK
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3:25am Tue 4 Oct 11
Darren1951 wrote:All this twaddle about corporate greed is irrelevant to the story:all housing assoiations are asking is that kids are considerate toward others and parents control their kids when asked to if causing bother. Why is that unreasonable and why should other people be on the receiving end of the behaviour if parents refuse to do anything from first instance when asked? If parents arent gonna co-operate and play ball then eviction has to be considered and carried out like it or not.
AnthonyUK - agree 100% with what you're saying, but, at the same time, now he(?)'s posting more lucidly, there's more than a vestige of truth in what he's saying, I fear.
The corporate giants, aided and abetted by govrnments (ours and others) are seeking to engineer a subservient society, something akin to the Middle Ages, with serfdom, and all that with it. They pursue a "bread and circuses" strategy, letting us have cheap beer, TV programs which are absolute dross, in the hope that, whilst not entirely happy, the masses at large are more or less content with their lot and will, they hope, not have the courage or plain gumption, to band together to oppose the insidious plan. Divide and rule is the watchword - the signs are all there - people just need to take off the blinkers to be able to see them.
For a good read, see Peter Oborne's post-riot article in the Daily Telegraph (oddly enough!), re "the moral decay at the top of our society". Also, try GK Chesterton's poem "The Secret People"
It'll make you think.
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sineaters says...
10:07am Sat 1 Oct 11