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Children can’t play knock-and-run or stare into homes, say Blackburn housing chiefs

FURIOUS Some of the parents and children who have received letters FURIOUS Some of the parents and children who have received letters

RESIDENTS are furious at a housing association for laying down a number of rules telling them to get their children under control.

Parents in Apple Close, Blackburn, are being told they must sign an agreement to stop their youngsters participating in a number of outlawed activities on the estate following a series of complaints.

Great Places Housing Group wants to stop children playing noisily after 8pm, walking on people’s lawns, looking through windows and letterboxes, dropping litter, and playing knock-a-door-run.

It said it was responding to problems with anti-social behaviour over the past 12 months.

The majority of residents have condemned the letter and have said they will not sign.

Apple Close resident Carl Harris has five children aged 14 to two-years-old.

He said: “Rather than the housing association asking everybody’s views, they’ve just done it.

“I’m worried that the next step could be eviction if we don’t sign the agreement.

“It is ridiculous. There’s no issues at all. Children are children and if someone came to us with an issue we would resolve the situation. Yet the agreement they want us to sign also stops us from approaching people.

“It is such an over-reaction. The close has been full of families with young children for years, if people can’t understand that they should look for somewhere else to live.

His wife Caroline, 35, said: “On the one hand they are asking us to be community spirited but on the other they are victimising our children.”

Mother-of-three Shguftah Patel, 38, said she was ‘furious’ with the lack of consultation.

She said she knew of only one resident who had complained.

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“We’ve not had any contact from the police about unruly behaviour,” she said.

“We don’t want to sign it, but we are worried that if we don’t we could lose our homes. And if we do sign it and a child is reported for one of these allegations will we be kicked out anyway?

“I’ve told the housing association to give me a lead and I’ll put my children on it and reel the back because they seem to want us to treat them like dogs.”

The rules include: *My children do not trespass on other residents front doors, driveways, lawns.

*My children do not stare through residents’ windows or letterboxes.

*My children do not swear at other residents when told to move away from property.

*My children do not bully, swear or hit other children .

*After 8pm children playing out must be mindful of others and keep the noise down.

*My children do not play knock-a-door-run.

Residents * Speak to parents of children causing nuisance.

* However, if they don’t feel comfortable contact Great Places.

* At no time should they swear/shout at children.

Apple Close residents compared the response from the housing association to the lack of action when they lodged a complaint about a man accused of child sex offences being re-housed in the small, family community.

Mrs Patel, who has a 10-year-old son and two girls aged nine and five, said: “They didn’t protect us or our children then.

"What happened to working in partnership? We are all working parents and do not have time for these petty things.”

Guy Cresswell, director of housing at Great Places said: “Over the past 12 months, there have been problems with anti-social behaviour around Apple Close/Apple Court in Blackburn.

“Many of these incidents have involved some children from Apple Close using inappropriate language and threatening behaviour.

"These incidents were reported to our staff by several residents.

"As a result, we have been working in close consultation with all residents to resolve these issues.

“In September, several neighbours got together and drafted their own neighbourhood agreement in an effort to sort out the problems “After discussions with our staff it was felt that Great Places should come up with a neighbourhood agreement which could be sent to all residents.

“This was a reiteration of the tenancy agreement they had already signed with us.

"The agreement was sent out last week and some residents have already signed and returned it to us.

"If residents do not want to sign, we will discuss their concerns individually and continue to do all we can to make Apple Close and Apple Court safe and happy places to live.”

Comments(61)

sineaters says...
10:07am Sat 1 Oct 11

if your kids are not feral scum then there's no need to worry

Mikeee47 says...
10:21am Sat 1 Oct 11

sineaters wrote:
if your kids are not feral scum then there's no need to worry
Well said, & the country would be a better place, Kids shouldnt be roaming the streets in the dark after 8pm they should be getting a well earned rest so they're bright for school next day getting a FREE education, Make the most of it while you can, Its about time authorities took a stand, simple dont sign dont get housed. Keep your kids under control and you have nothing to worry about

Seneca says...
10:47am Sat 1 Oct 11

It's usually the ones not seeing the problem that are the problem.

Shorty Medlocke says...
10:49am Sat 1 Oct 11

I can't see the problem. Some of the children have been behaving anti-socially, the parents obviously aren't bothered what their kids get up to, and so they have been reminded of the terms of their tenancy agreements. It's a shame the parents of these children need reminding of how to bring up their kids, one of the reasons the social fabric of this country is collapsing. And then there's the 'you can't tell me what to do' attitude - well actually, yes they can, so agree or start packing.

loo82 says...
10:52am Sat 1 Oct 11

Its about time housing associations set down some rules instead of letting the Jeremy Kyle society rule the roost ... If your a responsible parent with a bit of dignity about yourself these rules will not be a problem... stop your winging and bring your children up properly !!

burner says...
11:11am Sat 1 Oct 11

Seneca wrote:
It's usually the ones not seeing the problem that are the problem.
Astute!

Steve4x4 says...
1:58pm Sat 1 Oct 11

Sadly it's not just a local problem, scummy mummys and chavy daddies are everywhere, most will never have done a days work and are claiming rent and benefits, they are all a drain on the country, these folk should be housed in some hi rise apartments blocks and locked in after 8pm....so the rest of us can have some peace.

happycyclist says...
3:27pm Sat 1 Oct 11

Steve4x4 wrote:
Sadly it's not just a local problem, scummy mummys and chavy daddies are everywhere, most will never have done a days work and are claiming rent and benefits, they are all a drain on the country, these folk should be housed in some hi rise apartments blocks and locked in after 8pm....so the rest of us can have some peace.
Well said.

And well done Great Places Housing Group.

happycyclist says...
3:28pm Sat 1 Oct 11

Seneca wrote:
It's usually the ones not seeing the problem that are the problem.
Great comment.

useyourhead says...
3:34pm Sat 1 Oct 11

great move, others should follow their lead, it's just a shame it has to be pointed out to folk, they should be already taking such steps without this embarassing prompt.

Atticman says...
4:09pm Sat 1 Oct 11

Sadley a sign of the times, parents aren't doing their jobs so the state and other organisations have to step in and lay down the law so that these people can all live in harmony and not have to put up with unacceptable behavour.

VicLou says...
4:25pm Sat 1 Oct 11

What a great idea .... shame more housing associations dont follow their lead!!

moh says...
5:09pm Sat 1 Oct 11

keep an eye on your kids and you have nothing to worry about.

britguy says...
9:50am Sun 2 Oct 11

Its called parenthood and respect for other people and their properties.

prince of darkness says...
10:09am Sun 2 Oct 11

Non compliance to what should be normal,unfortunatly if they have no standards how will they teach their kids. All housing associations should have this as a standard tennancy agrement.Should not be forced to house these problem families, but then this would never happen.Perhaps I can dream of the safe days standards I had when I was a young lad. Would have got a clip off the local copper and a bigger one off my dad.But this carnt be done theses days sadly.

Darren1951 says...
12:22pm Sun 2 Oct 11

I'm not saying that my suggestion would solve the problems, but it seems an obvious and logical step to take...
1. intro a fine or some other form of penalty for the parents of any kids who break the rules

2. If the culprit's or culprits' parents have refused to sign the agreement, double, or even treble, the penalty.

They'll soon learn.

AnthonyUK says...
2:28pm Sun 2 Oct 11

What a lot of the parents with the children who are causing the problems refuse to realise is that with childrens rights come parental responsibilities,the housing association is right to force these rules and regilations on the parents who refuse to stop the kids doing the aforementioned nuisance activities which are unacceptable to people eho want a quiet life without youth nuisance. If these parents dont like it they should face immediate termination of tenancy and eviction. There is no place for unacceptable juvenile nuisance and behaviour towards people who dont like it,knock a door run isnt reasonable,and neither is staring through peoples windows or kicking balls at peoples walls endlessly or hanging round peoples houses and being abusive when politely asked to move on.

AnthonyUK says...
2:29pm Sun 2 Oct 11

What a lot of the parents with the children who are causing the problems refuse to realise is that with childrens rights come parental responsibilities,the housing association is right to force these rules and regilations on the parents who refuse to stop the kids doing the aforementioned nuisance activities which are unacceptable to people eho want a quiet life without youth nuisance. If these parents dont like it they should face immediate termination of tenancy and eviction. There is no place for unacceptable juvenile nuisance and behaviour towards people who dont like it,knock a door run isnt reasonable,and neither is staring through peoples windows or kicking balls at peoples walls endlessly or hanging round peoples houses and being abusive when politely asked to move on.

AnthonyUK says...
3:53pm Sun 2 Oct 11

If I had children causing these problems,they would be severely punished and I would work with,not against,the housing association,unlike these incredibly lazy parents who always side against the housing association and defend and stick up for their feral yobs rights. If the parents dont want to sign the agreement they and their kids should be evicted and refused housing from that housing association,if there were no problems in the first place there would be no need for an acceptable behaviour agreement.

St.R says...
7:08pm Sun 2 Oct 11

Well done Great Places. Having lived through anti social behaviour making our lives a misery for years, I think this is a great idea. And yes it is always the parents that don't see the problem that are the problem. So many times we tried to tell the problem families what was going on only to be told 'oh my little darling wouldn't do a thing like that' or get a mouthful of abuse so you can see exactly where their little darling gets their charm from. I wish more housing associations/landlor
ds did this.

Lifeinthemix says...
8:54am Mon 3 Oct 11

The one thing you as a human have absolute control over is when and for whom you sign yourself off as your commercial debt account.
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There is no law nor mandated office which can force any signature that you are in agreement with whatever they want you to sign...you have that power of attorney for everything you do, especially as to weather you are going to identify yourself as the upper case commercial debt account, or the upper case mimic of your Christian name.

AnthonyUK says...
9:02am Mon 3 Oct 11

Lifeinthemix wrote:
The one thing you as a human have absolute control over is when and for whom you sign yourself off as your commercial debt account. . There is no law nor mandated office which can force any signature that you are in agreement with whatever they want you to sign...you have that power of attorney for everything you do, especially as to weather you are going to identify yourself as the upper case commercial debt account, or the upper case mimic of your Christian name.
The housing association have got it right and I hope they evict/punish anyone who refuses to control their kids behaviour and adhere to the agreement,AND they have the rights to do so if that is necessary and the parents don't and won't control the behaviour of their kids toward other tenants.

Lifeinthemix says...
9:23am Mon 3 Oct 11

so don't sign agreement and they have no contract to enforce....
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rule of thumb :
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never sign anything you are not comfortable with, or know you are giving power to those who are of the fascist mindset if you sign to anything as an extra to your tenancy agreement.
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signing your original agreement is all you are required by law to sign if you want to live in one of their homes, that is the agreement, that is the contract. They do not have the legal nor lawful right to demand anything else from you. if they make threats, record them and use them to prove malice and harassment in their demands.

AnthonyUK says...
9:41am Mon 3 Oct 11

Lifeinthemix wrote:
so don't sign agreement and they have no contract to enforce.... . rule of thumb : . never sign anything you are not comfortable with, or know you are giving power to those who are of the fascist mindset if you sign to anything as an extra to your tenancy agreement. . signing your original agreement is all you are required by law to sign if you want to live in one of their homes, that is the agreement, that is the contract. They do not have the legal nor lawful right to demand anything else from you. if they make threats, record them and use them to prove malice and harassment in their demands.
So tenants kids can get away with whatever they like and you agree with it

Lifeinthemix says...
9:45am Mon 3 Oct 11

If residents would like a consultation to action they should persue, give me a ring on 07976653910

Lifeinthemix says...
9:48am Mon 3 Oct 11

This is what we must avoid at all costs :
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http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=lbhB9dHpu
D4
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give these corporate housing associations no help in becoming the fascist dictatorships they covet

common sense 2012 says...
10:18am Mon 3 Oct 11

its about time that something is getting done my windows get stoned everynight i went to see the parents and got the door slammed in my face they said that they where only kids.
now the kids give me the v sign and say theres not a thing i can do i have reported this to the police there hands are tied the parents say not my child some other child must have done it

AnthonyUK says...
12:05pm Mon 3 Oct 11

common sense 2012 wrote:
its about time that something is getting done my windows get stoned everynight i went to see the parents and got the door slammed in my face they said that they where only kids.
now the kids give me the v sign and say theres not a thing i can do i have reported this to the police there hands are tied the parents say not my child some other child must have done it
Lifeinthemix advocates a world where kids sticking two fingers up at tenants who have to put up with their behaviour and nobody in authority should be able to do anything about it,as a child I didnt feel the need to upset and harrass other people nor get abusive and swear at them,if I did I got walloped by my parents if I did,it isnt completely against the law to smack your kids for wrongdoing,a bit of discipline here and there with the threat of a smack for pushing the boundaries and patience isnt wrong at all. All the parents up in arms should be evicted instead of being allowed to bleat on about their kids right to be a nuisance and annoyance to ordinary people.

Lifeinthemix says...
12:43pm Mon 3 Oct 11

anfony in case you have not noted the fact, the corporate state to which you pray, has removed the parents right to chastise their kids, if they do the school gets to know and the social is in. now you cannot have it all ways son just to suite your ramblings

Your ferret stinks says...
1:44pm Mon 3 Oct 11

It would appear that lifeinthemix is part of this unruley band of rascals from what he states and it would appear that it is second nature to him.
Why be so rude to spell Anthony as anfony? After a full stop a sentence should start with a capital letter the same with a name, basic skills you learn when you attend school, thats if you attended. From what i've just read it's you doing the nonsense ramblings!

Lifeinthemix says...
2:10pm Mon 3 Oct 11

Mmm, you see i have faced every label from all quarters and the reason the only label excepted by my good self is life, I mean, can anybody say with absolute conviction they actually know any other truth of this experience than one is alive?
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i will tell you what I am not...i am not a fascist lowlife who in its fear can only feel safe by removing any and all threats it sees, ergo, the removal of all rights and the right to life for everybody else.
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I guess you have not the thought capacity to think so deep before you put finger to keypad, but keep trying.....
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as for the jibe at lowercase, obviously you do not operate computer language in your day to day, it makes life far easier .....

ROBERTSLUMDWELLER123 says...
2:11pm Mon 3 Oct 11

Steve4x4 wrote:
Sadly it's not just a local problem, scummy mummys and chavy daddies are everywhere, most will never have done a days work and are claiming rent and benefits, they are all a drain on the country, these folk should be housed in some hi rise apartments blocks and locked in after 8pm....so the rest of us can have some peace.
if you read the article it states most residents work!!

Shorty Medlocke says...
3:00pm Mon 3 Oct 11

Lifeinthemix appears to have had his mind deluded by the likes of David Icke, and thinks he's a freeman on the land.

Lifeinthemix says...
3:46pm Mon 3 Oct 11

David Icke in the 90's was cutting edge, after that well.....?
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I am no Freeman, as to be so is to first ask permission, thus contradicting any idea of freedom.....
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keep on trying chaps you might get there

Your ferret stinks says...
6:23pm Mon 3 Oct 11

Your right on one account that nearly all the people who have posted on this are not thinking anyway near as deep as you are!
I wonder if all the people who's life right now are being shattered by kids that are out of control when out of sight of their parents are thinking as deep as you! I suggest not!
Is it not right that kids behaving so badly should have a letter sent to their parents stating so and if they choose to ignore it then the only course of action left to make them sit up and listen is by telling them they are putting themselves at risk of eviction in order that other people may live a peacefull life around them that this country offers?
I am all for 'live and let live' but unless lines are drawn in the sand the whole thing ends up as anarchy therefore someone has to stick their neck out and say 'enough is enough'
Maybe instead of fighting this situation and proffering your phone number to anyone who wants to join your band of merry men for the fight to be lawless you would be better off teaching them about your religion of deep thinking, unfortunately for a lot of people out their their thoughts are with these kids and i'm affraid 6 foot is about as deep as many of them can think!
Interesting conversation though.
May your god go with you as Dave Allen used to say!

AnthonyUK says...
6:30pm Mon 3 Oct 11

Kids who upset others with unacceptable behaviour like knocking on windows,knocking on doors,staring into peoples homes and being abusive when asked to move and threatening other residents and putting windows through with stones deserve to be evicted along with the parents if they refuse to control their kids. I lifeinthemix have managed to get five troublesome families evicted from where I live and feel NO shame in doing so and will do it again if have to. I reported them along with neighbours to hyndburnhomes and they have evicted them for antisocial behaviour because we are NOT prepared to tolerate it and nobody should put up with that sort of behaviour. All the housing association is asking is for a bit of consideration for others from the parents children involved in the antisocial behaviour ehich isnt an unreasonable request.

Lifeinthemix says...
6:41pm Mon 3 Oct 11

so get out on the street and give those you say are terrorizing you a good kick up the backside, or are you so dependent on the state you cannot do anything outside of flicking the tv channels?
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I am sorry to have to say, but you guys come across as little princes and princess s in you absolute refusal to do anything for yourself and your neighbours.
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parents dont see what goes on outside the walls, you obviously do so you get off the sofa and do something, and don't stop till you get satisfaction as you see it not as the state says you should.
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thinking is mandatory...

Your ferret stinks says...
6:56pm Mon 3 Oct 11

I think that Lifeinthemix is some what deleuded by what life actually is about and the standards that we in this country should be able to enjoy, one minute your telling me i should write on here as text speak and that i should learn to use a PC incorrectly as life would be much easier.
It would appear to many that you really don't care about others if it makes YOUR life easier.

AnthonyUK says...
6:58pm Mon 3 Oct 11

Well doing nothing about it when parents dont want to know and give you abuse for complaining about their kids antisocial behaviour is NOT an option,if polite requests are met with abuse threats or intimidation from parents then direct and immediate action against them and their kids gets immediate results. My neighbourhood is a pleasanter place to live now because we dont have idiots living here and me and my neighbours are glad of that.

Your ferret stinks says...
7:09pm Mon 3 Oct 11

Your thoughts Lifeinthemix are obviously clouded by your ideals as your have changed tack several times now reading from your posts.
Give us a real reason why you think that feral kids should not be dealt with by any means possible which in this in this day and age is not easy that would keep you and the pc brigade happy?

Darren1951 says...
7:17pm Mon 3 Oct 11

AnthonyUK and Yourferret stinks....

I honestly think you're wasting your time with this utter buffoon. I'd hazard one of three guesses...(1) he's just that, and nothing more (2) he's a deliberate wind-up merchant (3) he's spaced out his skull on something. That's always assuming it is a "he", of course.

Lifeinthemix says...
7:31pm Mon 3 Oct 11

delusion is rife amongst this little gang, my ideals....? what the hell are you talking about?
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if children cause trouble in front of my street, i am out there, simple....that is the answer to the problem, not running like frightened rabbits because they shouted at you.
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what has happened to the male in this country?
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What you very badly try to hide, is your absolute contradiction.... you are trapped by the state and its insistence you cannot defend your own and shackles, you dislike this because it prevents the real men on your street from doing it for you, yet you type incessantly about how great is the state and hey...let us give it more power to confuse and destroy our cohesion...
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if you guys represent the new breed, then you need to go, period.....
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the Cameron Youth revealing their tiny selves

Lifeinthemix says...
7:42pm Mon 3 Oct 11

I apologise for not being as clear as i should be, along with mandatory thinking, the followup must be action, or you really need face the fact you are indeed a couch cabbage with the brains to match, talking big because you are no longer in a pub.
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the internet...such a great placebo for keypad courage

Darren1951 says...
7:45pm Mon 3 Oct 11

LITM - you talk the talk....but do you walk the walk? Anyone who responds to unruly kids these days in the ways that you purport to do risks being accused of child abuse, retaliation from even more unruly parents, abduction, being kept in custody in a police cell, and other things. There have been numerous, well-reported instances of each of these in recent years. I'm not saying that I wouldn't react in the manner that you claim to do, but I'm well aware ot the possible consequences and wouldn't advocate that others follow the example, especially if they're elderly, or have health problems.

Your ferret stinks says...
8:10pm Mon 3 Oct 11

I agree that the guy's a PR*CK!

Your ferret stinks says...
8:11pm Mon 3 Oct 11

I agree the guy's a ****!!

Your ferret stinks says...
8:11pm Mon 3 Oct 11

I agree the guy's a ****!!

AnthonyUK says...
8:19pm Mon 3 Oct 11

Lifeinthemix wrote:
delusion is rife amongst this little gang, my ideals....? what the hell are you talking about?
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if children cause trouble in front of my street, i am out there, simple....that is the answer to the problem, not running like frightened rabbits because they shouted at you.
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what has happened to the male in this country?
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What you very badly try to hide, is your absolute contradiction.... you are trapped by the state and its insistence you cannot defend your own and shackles, you dislike this because it prevents the real men on your street from doing it for you, yet you type incessantly about how great is the state and hey...let us give it more power to confuse and destroy our cohesion...
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if you guys represent the new breed, then you need to go, period.....
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the Cameron Youth revealing their tiny selves
Going out to a gang of kids and dealing with them as you advocate litm is highly fraught with risk:you risk getting assaulted,and if you touch them you get the wrath of the parents/police at your door/hauled in front of a court/criminal record that blights the rest of your life and a prison sentence. If you complain to a housing association they can deal with it and evict and make the perpetrators homeless without the risks you take in dealing with it yourself.

Lifeinthemix says...
8:41pm Mon 3 Oct 11

my god...risk, fraught, danger, you sound like a bunch of H&S gangsters...
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is there anything you are not afraid of?
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Darren, my point exactly, it is the corporate state which has shifted the power in protection for the perpetrator over the victim, not me mate, why then do you lot persist in expanding the corporate states power over our lives? I cannot make it any clearer, the corporate state is responsible for the mess, we need to remove the corporate state... why the hell do you attack me?
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bemused not covering it here!!!!

Darren1951 says...
8:51pm Mon 3 Oct 11

LITM - now that you've stopped talking in riddles, at least for the time being, you'r actually starting to make sense.

Corporate greed has become public enemy number one, but.......the tide may be starting to turn. The last few days have seen thousands of Americans attempting to block the Brooklyn Bridge, one of the main road arteries into Manhattan, a major financial centre, for that very reason.

Make no mistake - things are starting to move. Having served my country in the forces, the last thing I want to see is anarchy, but the best thing for this country right now, I believe, would be a "controlled revolution".

Come back Oliver Cromwell - all is forgiven. Wasn't it for this sort of cause that he allegedly fought?

Lifeinthemix says...
9:00pm Mon 3 Oct 11

I can see exactly where you come from there, but at the higher levels of the game it is civil unrest that the corporate want. This will give reason to activate the Contingency system which will be run under Serco and its civil government, that means absolute full and complete control by the corporate after the queen dissolves parliament...

Lifeinthemix says...
9:03pm Mon 3 Oct 11

as for Cromwell, his role was to remove the Usury laws i order the dark financial wizards could move their HQ from Holland to London. for this move the upholder of this law had to be killed...aka the king is dead...long live the bank

Lifeinthemix says...
9:19pm Mon 3 Oct 11

Henry VIII began this move with the 1545 act "An Acte Agaynst Usurie" (37 H.viii 9) of King Henry VIII of England.
all naughty stuff

Lifeinthemix says...
9:31pm Mon 3 Oct 11

back to the story itself, what the housing associations are attempting to achieve is a fascist resident grouping operating under command of the association and basically grassing on all your neighbours. it forms little public school sects, such as we see with Cameron and his Bulinden club, and the association chooses the leader, or the absolute power mad idiot on your street to act as your boss.
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Hitler used the exact same tactics copied from every tyrannical script ever been...

AnthonyUK says...
10:06pm Mon 3 Oct 11

There would be no need for the housing associations to take action at all if parents took responsibility for their kids and stopped the bad behaviour that is causing complaints and trouble;with childrens rights come parental responsibilities,if you and the parents of those children cannot grasp that and act on it then it becomes a sad indictment and people in authority have to step in and take control if nobody is goimng to accept responsibility for their childrens actions and misdemeanours.

Darren1951 says...
10:26pm Mon 3 Oct 11

AnthonyUK - agree 100% with what you're saying, but, at the same time, now he(?)'s posting more lucidly, there's more than a vestige of truth in what he's saying, I fear.

The corporate giants, aided and abetted by govrnments (ours and others) are seeking to engineer a subservient society, something akin to the Middle Ages, with serfdom, and all that with it. They pursue a "bread and circuses" strategy, letting us have cheap beer, TV programs which are absolute dross, in the hope that, whilst not entirely happy, the masses at large are more or less content with their lot and will, they hope, not have the courage or plain gumption, to band together to oppose the insidious plan. Divide and rule is the watchword - the signs are all there - people just need to take off the blinkers to be able to see them.

For a good read, see Peter Oborne's post-riot article in the Daily Telegraph (oddly enough!), re "the moral decay at the top of our society". Also, try GK Chesterton's poem "The Secret People"

It'll make you think.

retired one says...
10:39pm Mon 3 Oct 11

Seneca wrote:
It's usually the ones not seeing the problem that are the problem.
I agree with you.

Seneca says...
10:44pm Mon 3 Oct 11

Lifeinthemix wrote:
This is what we must avoid at all costs :
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http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=lbhB9dHpu

D4
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give these corporate housing associations no help in becoming the fascist dictatorships they covet
1/ You have to state at the beginning of the conversation you are recording it.

2/ If you were my neighbour my Doc Martins would be on familiar terms with your testicles

3/ The recording doesn't make you sound clever (like you think) it makes you sound like a complete W****r

Lifeinthemix says...
11:04pm Mon 3 Oct 11

i reckon you would miss the testes and face a barrage of hooks to the jaw and nose, but thats another story.....explain to me how it is ok for undercover reporting if its on the tv, but you or me attempt it....you need permission...i think not and perhaps an insight into what lies between us...
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always better to ask forgiveness, never permission

Lifeinthemix says...
11:09pm Mon 3 Oct 11

i was not attempting to be clever, i was taken by surprise by the call, what you hear is exactly how it rolled.
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heads up people...the star of the show was not I, the show was all about fascism and how they love to bully the mums, on top of having me admit liability for the behaviour of 30+ children because they had stepped foot in mi garden.
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no wonder you miss my angle, you are looking at the wrong gob...with your ears

AnthonyUK says...
3:25am Tue 4 Oct 11

Darren1951 wrote:
AnthonyUK - agree 100% with what you're saying, but, at the same time, now he(?)'s posting more lucidly, there's more than a vestige of truth in what he's saying, I fear.

The corporate giants, aided and abetted by govrnments (ours and others) are seeking to engineer a subservient society, something akin to the Middle Ages, with serfdom, and all that with it. They pursue a "bread and circuses" strategy, letting us have cheap beer, TV programs which are absolute dross, in the hope that, whilst not entirely happy, the masses at large are more or less content with their lot and will, they hope, not have the courage or plain gumption, to band together to oppose the insidious plan. Divide and rule is the watchword - the signs are all there - people just need to take off the blinkers to be able to see them.

For a good read, see Peter Oborne's post-riot article in the Daily Telegraph (oddly enough!), re "the moral decay at the top of our society". Also, try GK Chesterton's poem "The Secret People"

It'll make you think.
All this twaddle about corporate greed is irrelevant to the story:all housing assoiations are asking is that kids are considerate toward others and parents control their kids when asked to if causing bother. Why is that unreasonable and why should other people be on the receiving end of the behaviour if parents refuse to do anything from first instance when asked? If parents arent gonna co-operate and play ball then eviction has to be considered and carried out like it or not.

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