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East Lancashire NHS workers to pay for own CRB checks

NHS workers are being forced to pay for checks to prove to bosses that they don’t have a criminal record.

Health workers employed by NHS East Lancashire require a Criminal Record Bureau (CRB) check when they start employment, and again every three years.

Depending on whether they require a standard or an enhanced CRB check, they cost either £26 or £36.

In the past the primary care trust, which covers Pendle, Burnley, Rossendale, Hyndburn and Ribble Valley has always met this cost.

But since April as part of cost-cutting measures the trust has passed that responsibility over to around 2,700 employees, a move that has shocked and angered NHS workers and unions.

Tim Ellis, regional organiser for UNISON, said: “A lot of NHS workers have to be CRB checked because their job involves contact with vulnerable children and adults.

“The normal practice is that if something is required for work, it is the duty of the employer to provide it. But in the case of NHS East Lancashire, the PCT is asking employees to pay for these checks and workers are furious about it.

“We have put in a grievance against this move and expect no staff to pay for their CRB check while the matter is in dispute.”

Janet Whitworth, NHS East Lancashire’s director of human resources, said the move was part of a range of measures looking at commissioning and providing health services for the people of Burnley, Hyndburn, Pendle, Ribble Valley and Rossendale more efficiently and cost effectively.

She said: “Along with other PCTs, we are looking at how we can direct as much of our resources towards patient care and improvements to NHS services.

“Taxpayers expect us to manage our budgets carefully and deploy resources appropriately.

“With this in mind, we have been part of discussions happening regionally around whether or not staff should pay for their own CRB checks, as NHS trusts do not have a legal requirement to pay for them.

“The majority of organisations have agreed that staff should pay for their checks.”

However, a spokesman for Blackburn with Darwen NHS Teaching Care Trust Plus said the trust still pays for CRB checks.

And East Lancashire Hospitals NHS Trust confirmed it had 'no plans' to ask staff to fund their own CRB checks.

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1:25pm Fri 28 May 10

woodyads says...

Absolutely bloody ridiculous. I can understand the necessity for cost cutting, but why hit the poorer paid staff by making them pay for something that they have no choice but to have in order to work? Why not start by looking at the salaries of the big bosses?
I'm a teacher, and since starting teaching 4 years ago (and beginning training 7 years ago) I have had to have 3 separate enhanced CRB disclosures. Each of these have been paid for by my employer. I wonder whether I'll be paying for my own in 3 years time?
Absolutely bloody ridiculous. I can understand the necessity for cost cutting, but why hit the poorer paid staff by making them pay for something that they have no choice but to have in order to work? Why not start by looking at the salaries of the big bosses? I'm a teacher, and since starting teaching 4 years ago (and beginning training 7 years ago) I have had to have 3 separate enhanced CRB disclosures. Each of these have been paid for by my employer. I wonder whether I'll be paying for my own in 3 years time? woodyads
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1:39pm Fri 28 May 10

Markr says...

If an employee refuses to pay for it will they be finished ?, maybe, if an important doctor refuses to pay for it (as if they would be asked) will they be sacked ?... not a cat in hells chance.
No wonder UK nurses and doctors are going to work over seas.
If an employee refuses to pay for it will they be finished ?, maybe, if an important doctor refuses to pay for it (as if they would be asked) will they be sacked ?... not a cat in hells chance. No wonder UK nurses and doctors are going to work over seas. Markr
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2:34pm Fri 28 May 10

lwg76 says...

This practice of passing on administration cost's to employees is not new. Care homes make their carers pay for the useless CRB checks which are NOT, I say again NOT, evidence of good character.

A major college in this county insists on its lecturers paying for their own CRB checks. I have had several and was recently teaching at this college on a part time basis whilst employed at another college. At the end of last year I was told that if I wished to continue working at the college I would have to have and pay for another CRB check I declined and left.
The H & S Act precludes employers charging staff for Protective Equipment. What is the difference between protecting employees and protecting others.
This practice of passing on administration cost's to employees is not new. Care homes make their carers pay for the useless CRB checks which are NOT, I say again NOT, evidence of good character. A major college in this county insists on its lecturers paying for their own CRB checks. I have had several and was recently teaching at this college on a part time basis whilst employed at another college. At the end of last year I was told that if I wished to continue working at the college I would have to have and pay for another CRB check I declined and left. The H & S Act precludes employers charging staff for Protective Equipment. What is the difference between protecting employees and protecting others. lwg76
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4:19pm Fri 28 May 10

frank says...

what purpose do these checks really serve? if a pervert hasn't beeen caught then they pass and have a badge of honour.
there seem to be quite a few looking after children who appear to have passed these checks and then been found out.
i don't see why people should have to prove their innocence, bosses should pay ,they take enough in perks.
what purpose do these checks really serve? if a pervert hasn't beeen caught then they pass and have a badge of honour. there seem to be quite a few looking after children who appear to have passed these checks and then been found out. i don't see why people should have to prove their innocence, bosses should pay ,they take enough in perks. frank
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5:35pm Fri 28 May 10

Parly says...

The CRB system is crap. It should to become more of general register for any / all employed members of staff needing checks.
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Ideally, it would link with other agencies, the database updated when a person’s details are entered onto the PNC, so there would be no need to completely recheck employees.
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Plus, the current system means that potentially, someone with a conviction could continue working until the next check flags it up. Having a general register would mean an almost immediate notification and a safer, more effective system.
The CRB system is crap. It should to become more of general register for any / all employed members of staff needing checks. . Ideally, it would link with other agencies, the database updated when a person’s details are entered onto the PNC, so there would be no need to completely recheck employees. . Plus, the current system means that potentially, someone with a conviction could continue working until the next check flags it up. Having a general register would mean an almost immediate notification and a safer, more effective system. Parly
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9:15pm Fri 28 May 10

Davidoff says...

Reading between the lines is it really because (as I read a while ago) that there were thousands of still unchecked CRB's on the NHS database, yet incredibly the employees concerned were STILL employed without those checks in place and still will be now if they are still unchecked. Even further, I wonder how many of those will inevitably be illegally in this country, working in those jobs, whose past in their own countries is hard to check let alone over here! I guess I must be missing something about this whole CRB business, then, if thousands already working in the NHS haven't been checked due to a backlog! Come on! Defeats the **** object! It's also unfair on anyone who does want to work for the NHS but has to first get one in order to do so ... I give up!

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Sack the part time managers who are obscenely paid!
Reading between the lines is it really because (as I read a while ago) that there were thousands of still unchecked CRB's on the NHS database, yet incredibly the employees concerned were STILL employed without those checks in place and still will be now if they are still unchecked. Even further, I wonder how many of those will inevitably be illegally in this country, working in those jobs, whose past in their own countries is hard to check let alone over here! I guess I must be missing something about this whole CRB business, then, if thousands already working in the NHS haven't been checked due to a backlog! Come on! Defeats the **** object! It's also unfair on anyone who does want to work for the NHS but has to first get one in order to do so ... I give up! . Sack the part time managers who are obscenely paid! Davidoff
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9:26pm Fri 28 May 10

Parly says...

Davidoff – you’ve lost me. Do you mean you think there are thousands of staff working in the NHS who should have been checked out but haven’t?
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If so, that’s not right. One of the biggest arse-aches the NHS has is the wait for clearance before they can start someone.
Davidoff – you’ve lost me. Do you mean you think there are thousands of staff working in the NHS who should have been checked out but haven’t? . If so, that’s not right. One of the biggest arse-aches the NHS has is the wait for clearance before they can start someone. Parly
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9:38pm Fri 28 May 10

pendlereader says...

2700 employees at £26 each. If saving a meagre £70,000 by telling their employees to now fork out for a CRB check is the best the pct can do then they're in for a shock. wake up East Lancs PCT, you have over £48million to find over the next three years so why not start by making some REAL SAVINGS? Hitting your employers with such a pathetic measly amount (compared to your overall budget) may only make them want to ship out and work in another sector or trust.

What's it got to do with deploying resources?
The taxpayer KNOWs how east lancs PCT handles their budget, badly! and if it's such a good idea to charge employees for their own CRB checks why are'nt the PCT's providers of healthcare doing the same?

Ironically, it is we the 'taxpayers' who should be deciding such issues. The sooner we get rid of these bureaucrats with their pathtic cost-cutting ideas and replace them with a democratically elected healthboard the better.
2700 employees at £26 each. If saving a meagre £70,000 by telling their employees to now fork out for a CRB check is the best the pct can do then they're in for a shock. wake up East Lancs PCT, you have over £48million to find over the next three years so why not start by making some REAL SAVINGS? Hitting your employers with such a pathetic measly amount (compared to your overall budget) may only make them want to ship out and work in another sector or trust. What's it got to do with deploying resources? The taxpayer KNOWs how east lancs PCT handles their budget, badly! and if it's such a good idea to charge employees for their own CRB checks why are'nt the PCT's providers of healthcare doing the same? Ironically, it is we the 'taxpayers' who should be deciding such issues. The sooner we get rid of these bureaucrats with their pathtic cost-cutting ideas and replace them with a democratically elected healthboard the better. pendlereader
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10:25pm Fri 28 May 10

cutthebull says...

Parly wrote:
Davidoff – you’ve lost me. Do you mean you think there are thousands of staff working in the NHS who should have been checked out but haven’t? . If so, that’s not right. One of the biggest arse-aches the NHS has is the wait for clearance before they can start someone.
There where thousands of staff unchecked in the NHS up to last year. I work in NHS & was 3 & 1/2 yrs overdue on my enhanced CRB. I was the one who had to flag this upto my manager. But if the trust had told me to pay for it myself I would have told them to stick it where the sun doesn't shine. But on top of the £80 a yr to pay to stay on the nursing register, £12 a month to try & park at the hospital, £70 if I wish to buy an extra uniform because the two I have are not adequate (especially when working an 8 day stretch). This doesn't include the funding that was taken off us to do courses so if I wish to better my nursing skills, this can cost anything up to £1000 so I'm footing this bill, but us nurses dont complain we just get on with it. There's just no support for us nurses as we have a Portfolio to complete aswell!
[quote][p][bold]Parly[/bold] wrote: Davidoff – you’ve lost me. Do you mean you think there are thousands of staff working in the NHS who should have been checked out but haven’t? . If so, that’s not right. One of the biggest arse-aches the NHS has is the wait for clearance before they can start someone.[/p][/quote]There where thousands of staff unchecked in the NHS up to last year. I work in NHS & was 3 & 1/2 yrs overdue on my enhanced CRB. I was the one who had to flag this upto my manager. But if the trust had told me to pay for it myself I would have told them to stick it where the sun doesn't shine. But on top of the £80 a yr to pay to stay on the nursing register, £12 a month to try & park at the hospital, £70 if I wish to buy an extra uniform because the two I have are not adequate (especially when working an 8 day stretch). This doesn't include the funding that was taken off us to do courses so if I wish to better my nursing skills, this can cost anything up to £1000 so I'm footing this bill, but us nurses dont complain we just get on with it. There's just no support for us nurses as we have a Portfolio to complete aswell! cutthebull
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11:02pm Fri 28 May 10

Parly says...

I am sorry because I realise I must sound a right gem, but I still haven’t quite got what you mean Davidoff.
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What do you mean by up until last year thousands of NHS staff didn’t have CRB clearance? Do you mean they’d never had any checks to begin with or their CRB hadn’t been renewed?
I am sorry because I realise I must sound a right gem, but I still haven’t quite got what you mean Davidoff. . What do you mean by up until last year thousands of NHS staff didn’t have CRB clearance? Do you mean they’d never had any checks to begin with or their CRB hadn’t been renewed? Parly
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