COUPLE of off-beat yedscratters from the arm-bending lads on the 'sawdust side.'

They've been wrangling over the rims of their tankards about the change in the titles of two major firms which helped provide the employmental bedrock of St Helens.

D.T., of Moss Bank, says: "Please settle a couple of arguments among my drinking buddies. They want to know if anyone can say when the Brothers part of Pilkington Brothers was removed from their lorries and logos. And they'd also like someone to settle a bet as to the year when Greenall Whitley chopped the Whitley off their trade name."

ANYONE able to put 'em out of their agony?