‘Killer’ stun gun found in East Lancs after tip-off

The powerful stun gun seized by police

The powerful stun gun seized by police

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A TASER gun with enough power to kill has been seized by police.

Officers in Rossendale have now launched an investigation into the origins of the 100,000 volt stun gun allegedly bought online.

The illegal firearm, with double the power of a police Taser, was seized from a house in Rawtenstall after residents reported there was one in the area, police said.

Officers allegedly found it in the possession of a man in his 20s.

The Panther model, suggested online as a useful tool to carry in self-defence, can be bought from web-based stores in the United States for $18.50 – just under £11.

The potentially lethal device is powered by a single nine-volt battery.

PC Alan Brown, of Rossendale Neighbourhood Policing Team, said: “We were made aware that a male had a Taser in his house by local intelligence gathering.

“Our support team then carried out a number of search warrants on properties.

“A male in his 20s attended the station voluntarily and was interviewed, but was not charged with any offence.

“Our inquiries are still very much ongoing. We want to know where this came from and why somebody bought it.

“We know you can get them abroad, through the internet, which we are investigating.

“The Tasers the police use are 50,000 volts, so half the power of this.

“If it was used on someone that wasn’t very well, or had heart problems it could definitely kill them. On someone that is fit, it would cause them a great deal of pain, at the very least.”

Anyone with information about the weapon, which was seized on Monday, July 21, should call police on 101.

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12:55pm Wed 30 Jul 14

boynesider says...

an "illegal firearm" but no charges????
an "illegal firearm" but no charges???? boynesider
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4:08pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Graham Hartley says...

The 100 000 volt Panther may not be described as having twice the power of the 50 000 volt Taser. Voltage alone is not sufficient to support the claim. One would need to examine and compare the voltage and current profiles of these devices when under load, and know how to treat the results. Claims made by authority figures can be examined by the same methods of scepticism as can be used to examine any claims.
The 100 000 volt Panther may not be described as having twice the power of the 50 000 volt Taser. Voltage alone is not sufficient to support the claim. One would need to examine and compare the voltage and current profiles of these devices when under load, and know how to treat the results. Claims made by authority figures can be examined by the same methods of scepticism as can be used to examine any claims. Graham Hartley
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5:57pm Wed 30 Jul 14

greenscreener says...

Graham Hartley wrote:
The 100 000 volt Panther may not be described as having twice the power of the 50 000 volt Taser. Voltage alone is not sufficient to support the claim. One would need to examine and compare the voltage and current profiles of these devices when under load, and know how to treat the results. Claims made by authority figures can be examined by the same methods of scepticism as can be used to examine any claims.
A fine technical argument, I look forward to seeing how effective and relevant you find it when you are on the receiving end of this device.
[quote][p][bold]Graham Hartley[/bold] wrote: The 100 000 volt Panther may not be described as having twice the power of the 50 000 volt Taser. Voltage alone is not sufficient to support the claim. One would need to examine and compare the voltage and current profiles of these devices when under load, and know how to treat the results. Claims made by authority figures can be examined by the same methods of scepticism as can be used to examine any claims.[/p][/quote]A fine technical argument, I look forward to seeing how effective and relevant you find it when you are on the receiving end of this device. greenscreener
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6:33pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Graham Hartley says...

greenscreener wrote:
Graham Hartley wrote:
The 100 000 volt Panther may not be described as having twice the power of the 50 000 volt Taser. Voltage alone is not sufficient to support the claim. One would need to examine and compare the voltage and current profiles of these devices when under load, and know how to treat the results. Claims made by authority figures can be examined by the same methods of scepticism as can be used to examine any claims.
A fine technical argument, I look forward to seeing how effective and relevant you find it when you are on the receiving end of this device.
My purpose is to examine the careless claim made by PC Brown. The brutal test of his claim, which you support, would be to use these weapons on live subjects. Are you a police officer?
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham Hartley[/bold] wrote: The 100 000 volt Panther may not be described as having twice the power of the 50 000 volt Taser. Voltage alone is not sufficient to support the claim. One would need to examine and compare the voltage and current profiles of these devices when under load, and know how to treat the results. Claims made by authority figures can be examined by the same methods of scepticism as can be used to examine any claims.[/p][/quote]A fine technical argument, I look forward to seeing how effective and relevant you find it when you are on the receiving end of this device.[/p][/quote]My purpose is to examine the careless claim made by PC Brown. The brutal test of his claim, which you support, would be to use these weapons on live subjects. Are you a police officer? Graham Hartley
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11:14pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Was Hingma Chine says...

Way to go, greenscreener! You say 'when' rather than 'if' Graham is to be Panthered. You're a copper for sure, and no argument.
Way to go, greenscreener! You say 'when' rather than 'if' Graham is to be Panthered. You're a copper for sure, and no argument. Was Hingma Chine
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7:32am Thu 31 Jul 14

BuckoTheMoose says...

Ooh, scary. All tasers have the power to kill if they are used on someone with specific illnesses, but you don't see the police checking on the health of their victims. They don't even check the difference between a samurai sword and a walking stick before letting fly.

Isn't it good how the police are allowed to carry tazers, batons and pepper sprays for 'defence' but we are allowed to carry absolutely nothing at all without the threat of criminal charges.

It not even as though the police can protect us. If you get mugged, attacked or raped, all the police can do is turn up after the fact and clean up the mess. They won't let us defend ourselves though, oh no.

Well at least they are safe. If a copper gets injured, that's a few months on the sick and nobody to monitor Twitter and Facebook for chavs saying mean things to each other.
Ooh, scary. All tasers have the power to kill if they are used on someone with specific illnesses, but you don't see the police checking on the health of their victims. They don't even check the difference between a samurai sword and a walking stick before letting fly. Isn't it good how the police are allowed to carry tazers, batons and pepper sprays for 'defence' but we are allowed to carry absolutely nothing at all without the threat of criminal charges. It not even as though the police can protect us. If you get mugged, attacked or raped, all the police can do is turn up after the fact and clean up the mess. They won't let us defend ourselves though, oh no. Well at least they are safe. If a copper gets injured, that's a few months on the sick and nobody to monitor Twitter and Facebook for chavs saying mean things to each other. BuckoTheMoose
  • Score: 2

11:51pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Graham Hartley says...

Empathy, Bucko, with all you say - yet there are channels through which your feelings can be relieved. There is the option to join the dark (blue) side, in which enterprise I wish you all success. Another approach is to train oneself to offer resistance in circumstances which threaten personal harm. It is indeed remarkable what resources can be mounted, particularly against the threat of death - take good advice and make the best preparations by training for those situations.
Empathy, Bucko, with all you say - yet there are channels through which your feelings can be relieved. There is the option to join the dark (blue) side, in which enterprise I wish you all success. Another approach is to train oneself to offer resistance in circumstances which threaten personal harm. It is indeed remarkable what resources can be mounted, particularly against the threat of death - take good advice and make the best preparations by training for those situations. Graham Hartley
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7:15am Fri 1 Aug 14

BuckoTheMoose says...

Graham Hartley wrote:
Empathy, Bucko, with all you say - yet there are channels through which your feelings can be relieved. There is the option to join the dark (blue) side, in which enterprise I wish you all success. Another approach is to train oneself to offer resistance in circumstances which threaten personal harm. It is indeed remarkable what resources can be mounted, particularly against the threat of death - take good advice and make the best preparations by training for those situations.
Thank you for your wise words Mt Hartley.

I'm afraid crossing the thin blue line is not an option for me. It once was, back when the police existed to prevent and detect crime. Now they have become a politically correct, box ticking social service, it's just not for me.

As to the training you suggest, I've been doing so for a great many years, although admittedly my stamina is not what it once was as I approach my 40s.

I always say though, in a life or death situation, nothing beats a short barreled revolver to even the odds.
[quote][p][bold]Graham Hartley[/bold] wrote: Empathy, Bucko, with all you say - yet there are channels through which your feelings can be relieved. There is the option to join the dark (blue) side, in which enterprise I wish you all success. Another approach is to train oneself to offer resistance in circumstances which threaten personal harm. It is indeed remarkable what resources can be mounted, particularly against the threat of death - take good advice and make the best preparations by training for those situations.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your wise words Mt Hartley. I'm afraid crossing the thin blue line is not an option for me. It once was, back when the police existed to prevent and detect crime. Now they have become a politically correct, box ticking social service, it's just not for me. As to the training you suggest, I've been doing so for a great many years, although admittedly my stamina is not what it once was as I approach my 40s. I always say though, in a life or death situation, nothing beats a short barreled revolver to even the odds. BuckoTheMoose
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