Blackburn with Darwen council defends plans to introduce 'spy cars'

Blackburn with Darwen council defend plans to introduce 'spy cars'

Blackburn with Darwen council defend plans to introduce 'spy cars'

First published in News Lancashire Telegraph: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter

BLACKBURN with Darwen Council has defended its plans to introduce a traffic ‘spy car’ in light of criticism from a civil liberties campaign group.

Big Brother Watch produced a report which showed the total revenue generated by local authorities between 2008 and 2013 by using CCTV surveillance is at least £311,774,756.83.

Ninety per cent of that was generated in London, which is where CCTV surveillance was first introduced and is used most.

However ‘spy cars’ are becoming increasingly popular across the country.

Blackburn with Darwen Council was listed as having made nothing from CCTV in the five year period, but has announced plans to start using surveillance to address traffic problems.

Emma Carr, deputy director of Big Brother Watch, said: “The Government rightly wants to reign in this unjustified surveillance, so councils are turning to desperate arguments about public safety to justify their cameras, despite having absolutely no evidence to back up their claims. The use of CCTV and spy cars for parking enforcement should be banned.

“The Government should urgently investigate whether or not the use of cameras to snoop on motorists breaches surveillance laws, particularly where a traffic warden sits in a control room looking for motorists to ticket.”

But Blackburn Council said its use of the car was necessary to address parking concerns that had been repeatedly raised by residents.

Brian Bailey, director of regeneration, said: “We cannot comment on this survey as we have not contributed to it so we do not know whether the figures are accurate or not.

“People have approached the council time and again to say one of their biggest concerns is bad and inconsiderate parking especially near schools. “The Executive Board in March agreed to explore different ways of solving these problems including seeking approval from the Department of Transport for some new and additional powers.

“It also brings us in line with other councils. It’s the start of the process and the council is keen to get residents involved in these discussions.”

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10:37am Tue 22 Apr 14

ConcernedOssy says...

Must have raided the money tree again !!!
Must have raided the money tree again !!! ConcernedOssy
  • Score: 18

11:04am Tue 22 Apr 14

Lancs - pensioner says...

Councils cash cow, I remember when all the speed cameras went up and the council said it was all to do with safety, when the government started taking all the cash from the cameras the council gave up on the majority of them.
Easy don't park illegally and starve them of there Ill gotten gains.
Councils cash cow, I remember when all the speed cameras went up and the council said it was all to do with safety, when the government started taking all the cash from the cameras the council gave up on the majority of them. Easy don't park illegally and starve them of there Ill gotten gains. Lancs - pensioner
  • Score: 24

11:16am Tue 22 Apr 14

A Darener says...

Having seen and read stories of these cash cows, I hope that when they are parked illegally on double yellow lines and other places they fine themselves.
Having seen and read stories of these cash cows, I hope that when they are parked illegally on double yellow lines and other places they fine themselves. A Darener
  • Score: 18

12:22pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Reasons says...

Good one ,,, at least if you are parked legally you have nothing to fear!!! I know a few places where it would generate an income fast ,,,
Good one ,,, at least if you are parked legally you have nothing to fear!!! I know a few places where it would generate an income fast ,,, Reasons
  • Score: 18

12:25pm Tue 22 Apr 14

A Darener says...

Reasons wrote:
Good one ,,, at least if you are parked legally you have nothing to fear!!! I know a few places where it would generate an income fast ,,,
Unfortunately in those roads they will be conspicuous by their absence.
[quote][p][bold]Reasons[/bold] wrote: Good one ,,, at least if you are parked legally you have nothing to fear!!! I know a few places where it would generate an income fast ,,,[/p][/quote]Unfortunately in those roads they will be conspicuous by their absence. A Darener
  • Score: 18

1:24pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Excluded again says...

don't park illegally, don't get fined. if only bills were as easy to avoid.
don't park illegally, don't get fined. if only bills were as easy to avoid. Excluded again
  • Score: 19

2:02pm Tue 22 Apr 14

onsidecobra says...

I walked along Preston Old Road near to The Arches on Saturday afternoon and the number of cars and vans parked on the pavement on both sides of the road was amazing. It appeared that almost every house had a driveway to park in, but nobody seemed to be interested and found it preferable to block the pavement.
I walked along Preston Old Road near to The Arches on Saturday afternoon and the number of cars and vans parked on the pavement on both sides of the road was amazing. It appeared that almost every house had a driveway to park in, but nobody seemed to be interested and found it preferable to block the pavement. onsidecobra
  • Score: 14

2:49pm Tue 22 Apr 14

crusade to find the truth from the brown stuff says...

Will the council allow the driver to drive around Whaley range? I have to drive through this area daily and drivers just ignore double yellow lines so maybe this technology could benefit here
Will the council allow the driver to drive around Whaley range? I have to drive through this area daily and drivers just ignore double yellow lines so maybe this technology could benefit here crusade to find the truth from the brown stuff
  • Score: 18

4:04pm Tue 22 Apr 14

mmickk says...

Blackburn with Darwen Council was listed as having made nothing from CCTV in the five year period. Well no surprises there with this shower they should have at least made it pay for itself. With a Knocking shop in the town centre for the last ten years under their noses hollern claims not to know it existed what next an appeal for lost camera car we forgot where we parked it.
Blackburn with Darwen Council was listed as having made nothing from CCTV in the five year period. Well no surprises there with this shower they should have at least made it pay for itself. With a Knocking shop in the town centre for the last ten years under their noses hollern claims not to know it existed what next an appeal for lost camera car we forgot where we parked it. mmickk
  • Score: 11

4:06pm Tue 22 Apr 14

ConcernedOssy says...

crusade to find the truth from the brown stuff wrote:
Will the council allow the driver to drive around Whaley range? I have to drive through this area daily and drivers just ignore double yellow lines so maybe this technology could benefit here
Only if he takes his passport lol
[quote][p][bold]crusade to find the truth from the brown stuff[/bold] wrote: Will the council allow the driver to drive around Whaley range? I have to drive through this area daily and drivers just ignore double yellow lines so maybe this technology could benefit here[/p][/quote]Only if he takes his passport lol ConcernedOssy
  • Score: 13

4:08pm Tue 22 Apr 14

ConcernedOssy says...

mmickk wrote:
Blackburn with Darwen Council was listed as having made nothing from CCTV in the five year period. Well no surprises there with this shower they should have at least made it pay for itself. With a Knocking shop in the town centre for the last ten years under their noses hollern claims not to know it existed what next an appeal for lost camera car we forgot where we parked it.
She' prob. Silent partner lol
[quote][p][bold]mmickk[/bold] wrote: Blackburn with Darwen Council was listed as having made nothing from CCTV in the five year period. Well no surprises there with this shower they should have at least made it pay for itself. With a Knocking shop in the town centre for the last ten years under their noses hollern claims not to know it existed what next an appeal for lost camera car we forgot where we parked it.[/p][/quote]She' prob. Silent partner lol ConcernedOssy
  • Score: 13

6:09pm Tue 22 Apr 14

wacked1212@gmail.com says...

""Blackburn with Darwen Council was listed as having made nothing from CCTV in the five year period"" "MADE NOTHING"...That will never do will it?????
""Blackburn with Darwen Council was listed as having made nothing from CCTV in the five year period"" "MADE NOTHING"...That will never do will it????? wacked1212@gmail.com
  • Score: 9

8:17pm Tue 22 Apr 14

A Darener says...

wacked1212@gmail.com wrote:
""Blackburn with Darwen Council was listed as having made nothing from CCTV in the five year period"" "MADE NOTHING"...That will never do will it?????
That would make BwD the most law abiding folk in Britain.
[quote][p][bold]wacked1212@gmail.com[/bold] wrote: ""Blackburn with Darwen Council was listed as having made nothing from CCTV in the five year period"" "MADE NOTHING"...That will never do will it?????[/p][/quote]That would make BwD the most law abiding folk in Britain. A Darener
  • Score: 9

8:58pm Tue 22 Apr 14

happycyclist says...

You've got nothing to be worried about if you obey the rules and laws of the road. If you like driving how the hell you want and f*** everyone else, well, tough s***.
You've got nothing to be worried about if you obey the rules and laws of the road. If you like driving how the hell you want and f*** everyone else, well, tough s***. happycyclist
  • Score: -2

11:09pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Good call says...

To all those saying "nothing to hide, nothing to fear", one would like to know your address ,when you are going on holiday and for how long.I mean if you've nothing to hide....

On a serious note I find it worrying that surveillance, something that should only be carried out (in my opinion) by the Police and Intel when targeting serious criminals (drug dealers,gangsters,ar
med robbers etc), is now being used by COUNCILS to help catch PARKING "Offenders".

Be very careful of what you are supporting in this country
To all those saying "nothing to hide, nothing to fear", one would like to know your address ,when you are going on holiday and for how long.I mean if you've nothing to hide.... On a serious note I find it worrying that surveillance, something that should only be carried out (in my opinion) by the Police and Intel when targeting serious criminals (drug dealers,gangsters,ar med robbers etc), is now being used by COUNCILS to help catch PARKING "Offenders". Be very careful of what you are supporting in this country Good call
  • Score: 8

1:11am Thu 24 Apr 14

Steven11 says...

Good call wrote:
To all those saying "nothing to hide, nothing to fear", one would like to know your address ,when you are going on holiday and for how long.I mean if you've nothing to hide....

On a serious note I find it worrying that surveillance, something that should only be carried out (in my opinion) by the Police and Intel when targeting serious criminals (drug dealers,gangsters,ar

med robbers etc), is now being used by COUNCILS to help catch PARKING "Offenders".

Be very careful of what you are supporting in this country
Why do you say this ? Are you saying there is one rule for some ? Just try driving through "the darker parts of our town " as I no longer do , parking rules to these people do not seem to apply .ARROGANT people .you get my jest .
[quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: To all those saying "nothing to hide, nothing to fear", one would like to know your address ,when you are going on holiday and for how long.I mean if you've nothing to hide.... On a serious note I find it worrying that surveillance, something that should only be carried out (in my opinion) by the Police and Intel when targeting serious criminals (drug dealers,gangsters,ar med robbers etc), is now being used by COUNCILS to help catch PARKING "Offenders". Be very careful of what you are supporting in this country[/p][/quote]Why do you say this ? Are you saying there is one rule for some ? Just try driving through "the darker parts of our town " as I no longer do , parking rules to these people do not seem to apply .ARROGANT people .you get my jest . Steven11
  • Score: 6

1:12am Thu 24 Apr 14

Steven11 says...

Good call wrote:
To all those saying "nothing to hide, nothing to fear", one would like to know your address ,when you are going on holiday and for how long.I mean if you've nothing to hide....

On a serious note I find it worrying that surveillance, something that should only be carried out (in my opinion) by the Police and Intel when targeting serious criminals (drug dealers,gangsters,ar

med robbers etc), is now being used by COUNCILS to help catch PARKING "Offenders".

Be very careful of what you are supporting in this country
Why do you say this ? Are you saying there is one rule for some ? Just try driving through "the darker parts of our town " as I no longer do , parking rules to these people do not seem to apply .ARROGANT people .you get my jest .
[quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: To all those saying "nothing to hide, nothing to fear", one would like to know your address ,when you are going on holiday and for how long.I mean if you've nothing to hide.... On a serious note I find it worrying that surveillance, something that should only be carried out (in my opinion) by the Police and Intel when targeting serious criminals (drug dealers,gangsters,ar med robbers etc), is now being used by COUNCILS to help catch PARKING "Offenders". Be very careful of what you are supporting in this country[/p][/quote]Why do you say this ? Are you saying there is one rule for some ? Just try driving through "the darker parts of our town " as I no longer do , parking rules to these people do not seem to apply .ARROGANT people .you get my jest . Steven11
  • Score: 5

11:07pm Sun 27 Apr 14

John05 says...

Reasons wrote:
Good one ,,, at least if you are parked legally you have nothing to fear!!! I know a few places where it would generate an income fast ,,,
Sadly, parking legally doesn't mean you're safe from any kind of prosecution from parking enforcement officers. I've been booked because pay and display machines hadn't been refilled with fresh rolls of ticket paper. Unfortunately, as I was working in a town centre store at the time, I wasn't in a position to run out of work or call the council once they'd bothered to roll into work an hour after I'd started my shift. They ignored the note I'd left on the dashboard stating I'd paid but their machine hadn't dispensed a ticket.
I got a parking permit to get around that problem and then had a courtesy car for a few days. I rang the council to inform them and I was told the different registration had been logged on the system. I still got a parking ticket.
My mother parked on the Exchange Square car park, got back to her car with 20 minutes of time still left on her pay and display ticket and found she'd been booked. She challenged the traffic warden who claimed he hadn't seen the pay and display ticket that was positioned in full view on her dashboard. She had two letters of appeal turned down and had to go to an arbitration meeting at the Tickled Trout with an independent adjudicator to get the ticket overturned.
The traffic wardens are always lurking behind Marks and Spencer. One day they booked the delivery driver who was waiting for the loading bay doors to be opened so he could reverse in. They then booked several customers who were queuing on the road waiting to park alongside the lorry on the loading bay. These were people sitting in their cars on the road with their engines running!
The council don't play fair when it comes to booking people for parking. They aren't looking to ensure the roads are safe and clear and the car parks are used fairly. They're simply trying to make up for lost government funding by bullying motorists and extorting money out of them for whatever made up charge they can levy because they think motorists are an easy target.
You can be sure these spy cars will be parked on a double yellow line, on a corner, half on the footpath very soon totting up some more unfair and unjustified fines to send people. Right alongside the speed trap vans doing the same thing.
[quote][p][bold]Reasons[/bold] wrote: Good one ,,, at least if you are parked legally you have nothing to fear!!! I know a few places where it would generate an income fast ,,,[/p][/quote]Sadly, parking legally doesn't mean you're safe from any kind of prosecution from parking enforcement officers. I've been booked because pay and display machines hadn't been refilled with fresh rolls of ticket paper. Unfortunately, as I was working in a town centre store at the time, I wasn't in a position to run out of work or call the council once they'd bothered to roll into work an hour after I'd started my shift. They ignored the note I'd left on the dashboard stating I'd paid but their machine hadn't dispensed a ticket. I got a parking permit to get around that problem and then had a courtesy car for a few days. I rang the council to inform them and I was told the different registration had been logged on the system. I still got a parking ticket. My mother parked on the Exchange Square car park, got back to her car with 20 minutes of time still left on her pay and display ticket and found she'd been booked. She challenged the traffic warden who claimed he hadn't seen the pay and display ticket that was positioned in full view on her dashboard. She had two letters of appeal turned down and had to go to an arbitration meeting at the Tickled Trout with an independent adjudicator to get the ticket overturned. The traffic wardens are always lurking behind Marks and Spencer. One day they booked the delivery driver who was waiting for the loading bay doors to be opened so he could reverse in. They then booked several customers who were queuing on the road waiting to park alongside the lorry on the loading bay. These were people sitting in their cars on the road with their engines running! The council don't play fair when it comes to booking people for parking. They aren't looking to ensure the roads are safe and clear and the car parks are used fairly. They're simply trying to make up for lost government funding by bullying motorists and extorting money out of them for whatever made up charge they can levy because they think motorists are an easy target. You can be sure these spy cars will be parked on a double yellow line, on a corner, half on the footpath very soon totting up some more unfair and unjustified fines to send people. Right alongside the speed trap vans doing the same thing. John05
  • Score: 5

8:23am Mon 28 Apr 14

A Darener says...

The answer?
DON'T shop in Blackburn!
The answer? DON'T shop in Blackburn! A Darener
  • Score: 4

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