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Dark M65 'poses night vision worry'

Lancashire Telegraph: Some of the lighting columns which could be removed Some of the lighting columns which could be removed

A ROAD safety charity has said reduced lighting on the M65 is a ‘definite safety concern’ for drivers with impaired night vision.

It comes after the lights at the side of the M65 were permanently switched off by the Highways Agency between junctions seven and 10 in 2011 to reduce carbon emissions.

It has also been revealed that Lancashire County Council, which is responsible for the road between junctions 10 and 14, plans to remove dozens of lighting columns.

Blackburn HGV driver Nazim Momoniat, said drivers could become disorientated as they changed from lit to darker parts of the road.

The 46-year-old said: “It is a concern on the M65 because there are so many junctions. It is light then dark, light then dark and it can be quite disorientating.

“It could be that some people cannot see very will in the reduced light, which they do not during the day.”

Ed Morrow, campaigns officer at road safety charity Brake, said: “While reduced lighting on the motorway is a definite safety concern, drivers also need to ensure their vision is up to scratch.

“We urge any drivers who have impaired night vision not to drive at night, and all drivers to get their eyes tested at least every two years and always wear glasses or lenses if they need them.”

A spokeswoman for the Royal National Institute for the blind urged drivers to have their eyesight tests every two years.

The Lancashire Telegraph launched the Turn The Lights On campaign following the death of Burnley-born Mark Burgess, who was killed when he crashed near junction eight.

An inquest found the 39-year-old was two-and-a-half times over the legal drink-drive limit and his accident would not have been prevented had there been lights.

But a coroner has since said he will write to the Highways Agency urging them to rethink their policy after drivers caught up in the aftermath of the crash said they might have been able to avoid the debris in the road, had there been lights.

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9:52pm Wed 26 Feb 14

the genuine cypruslad says...

Surely anyone with impaired night vision shouldn't be driving at night,if at all.
Surely anyone with impaired night vision shouldn't be driving at night,if at all. the genuine cypruslad
  • Score: 14

10:10pm Wed 26 Feb 14

soup123 says...

Cleaning up the cats eyes and road markings would be a start. On dark nights, when its chucking down with rain it is tricky to see the lane markings.
Cleaning up the cats eyes and road markings would be a start. On dark nights, when its chucking down with rain it is tricky to see the lane markings. soup123
  • Score: 12

11:51pm Wed 26 Feb 14

jaffa90 says...

the genuine cypruslad wrote:
Surely anyone with impaired night vision shouldn't be driving at night,if at all.
How does one know? My optician told me I had one eye borderline for driving. I can read a number plate at 20 metres no problem. I now wear glasses. The moral of the reply is that opticians do not have to report people/drivers/rider
s who should wear glasses and the eyesight test is out of date and dangerous.
[quote][p][bold]the genuine cypruslad[/bold] wrote: Surely anyone with impaired night vision shouldn't be driving at night,if at all.[/p][/quote]How does one know? My optician told me I had one eye borderline for driving. I can read a number plate at 20 metres no problem. I now wear glasses. The moral of the reply is that opticians do not have to report people/drivers/rider s who should wear glasses and the eyesight test is out of date and dangerous. jaffa90
  • Score: 1

9:21am Thu 27 Feb 14

bluewindow says...

The crash that kicked off this debate was due to a drunk driver!!! There are miles and miles of unlit roads in great Briton . You drive to the road conditions. Also iif you crash during day light hours can you excuse be that it was to bright???
The crash that kicked off this debate was due to a drunk driver!!! There are miles and miles of unlit roads in great Briton . You drive to the road conditions. Also iif you crash during day light hours can you excuse be that it was to bright??? bluewindow
  • Score: 2

9:53am Thu 27 Feb 14

burner says...

At which point in this foolish article does ANY Road Safety Charity state that specifically the " M65 poses night vision worries " ? There is no direct quote because they did not actually indicate that the M65 is a problem any different to any of the millions of miles of unlit roads in Britain.
At which point in this foolish article does ANY Road Safety Charity state that specifically the " M65 poses night vision worries " ? There is no direct quote because they did not actually indicate that the M65 is a problem any different to any of the millions of miles of unlit roads in Britain. burner
  • Score: 1

9:54am Thu 27 Feb 14

HarryBosch says...

You must tell the DVLA if you have night blindness. Most drivers know that the minimum requirement for eyesight is the ability to read a number plate at 20 metres. But I suspect that not every driver is aware of the fact that you must declare if you suffer from night blindness. You can be prosecuted if you have an accident and it comes to light that you have not declared it.
You must tell the DVLA if you have night blindness. Most drivers know that the minimum requirement for eyesight is the ability to read a number plate at 20 metres. But I suspect that not every driver is aware of the fact that you must declare if you suffer from night blindness. You can be prosecuted if you have an accident and it comes to light that you have not declared it. HarryBosch
  • Score: 0

10:00am Thu 27 Feb 14

M.DANNY says...

We need lights on motoways safe motorways are with good lights on a foggy and in heavy rains.A motorist will never drive their cars without their car headlamps on a foggy or during heavy showers.
Road safety campaigners must fight for more lights on M65 motorways as it is very dangerous for those with impaired visions and elderly people too.
UK is small overcrowded country with 35 million cars and with our small motorway networks around our small island we should have good motorway networks with lights on at night.
Countries like US Australia China Russia Brazil Canada and India which are very large countries with very large motorway networks may not need lights on their highways, because of the land mass.
We need lights on motoways safe motorways are with good lights on a foggy and in heavy rains.A motorist will never drive their cars without their car headlamps on a foggy or during heavy showers. Road safety campaigners must fight for more lights on M65 motorways as it is very dangerous for those with impaired visions and elderly people too. UK is small overcrowded country with 35 million cars and with our small motorway networks around our small island we should have good motorway networks with lights on at night. Countries like US Australia China Russia Brazil Canada and India which are very large countries with very large motorway networks may not need lights on their highways, because of the land mass. M.DANNY
  • Score: 1

10:26am Thu 27 Feb 14

darwenTower says...

M.DANNY said
"Road safety campaigners must fight for more lights on M65 motorways as it is very dangerous for those with impaired visions and elderly people too."

If the motorways aren't safe for the visually impaired and old dodderers, then may I please suggest that those people stay off them.
M.DANNY said "Road safety campaigners must fight for more lights on M65 motorways as it is very dangerous for those with impaired visions and elderly people too." If the motorways aren't safe for the visually impaired and old dodderers, then may I please suggest that those people stay off them. darwenTower
  • Score: 3

10:28am Thu 27 Feb 14

A Darener says...

"Countries like US Australia China Russia Brazil Canada and India which are very large countries with very large motorway networks may not need lights on their highways, because of the land mass."
Sorry but this response is garbage!
What has the land mass got to do with safe driving at night? It is driving outside the safety margin that causes these accidents, not lights. If it is dark then drive within your capabilities. e.g. slower!
"Countries like US Australia China Russia Brazil Canada and India which are very large countries with very large motorway networks may not need lights on their highways, because of the land mass." Sorry but this response is garbage! What has the land mass got to do with safe driving at night? It is driving outside the safety margin that causes these accidents, not lights. If it is dark then drive within your capabilities. e.g. slower! A Darener
  • Score: 4

10:57am Thu 27 Feb 14

M.DANNY says...

A Darener wrote:
"Countries like US Australia China Russia Brazil Canada and India which are very large countries with very large motorway networks may not need lights on their highways, because of the land mass."
Sorry but this response is garbage!
What has the land mass got to do with safe driving at night? It is driving outside the safety margin that causes these accidents, not lights. If it is dark then drive within your capabilities. e.g. slower!
A crowded country of ours with small motorway networks with 35 million cars 519 cars per thousand people and 63 million people with land area with square mile of 93,278 and density per square mile is 650 so our country is very overcrowded with these figures.
Our motoway network is small compared to ie
US have 259,000 km
China have 96,000 km
India has 21,000 km
Canada has 17,00 km
Spain has 15,00 km
Germany has 12,000 km
France has 11,000 km
UK has 3,500 km of motorways
so our roads and motorways are very overcrowded with 35 million cars and 519 cars per thousand people on our small island.
Driving outside safety margins causes accidents but roads with congestions and traffic volumes are the main cause of accidents. Busy roads and motorways can lead to more accidents it is a fact.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: "Countries like US Australia China Russia Brazil Canada and India which are very large countries with very large motorway networks may not need lights on their highways, because of the land mass." Sorry but this response is garbage! What has the land mass got to do with safe driving at night? It is driving outside the safety margin that causes these accidents, not lights. If it is dark then drive within your capabilities. e.g. slower![/p][/quote]A crowded country of ours with small motorway networks with 35 million cars 519 cars per thousand people and 63 million people with land area with square mile of 93,278 and density per square mile is 650 so our country is very overcrowded with these figures. Our motoway network is small compared to ie US have 259,000 km China have 96,000 km India has 21,000 km Canada has 17,00 km Spain has 15,00 km Germany has 12,000 km France has 11,000 km UK has 3,500 km of motorways so our roads and motorways are very overcrowded with 35 million cars and 519 cars per thousand people on our small island. Driving outside safety margins causes accidents but roads with congestions and traffic volumes are the main cause of accidents. Busy roads and motorways can lead to more accidents it is a fact. M.DANNY
  • Score: 1

11:01am Thu 27 Feb 14

A Darener says...

"roads with congestions and traffic volumes are the main cause of accidents. Busy roads and motorways can lead to more accidents it is a fact."

People, not roads or congestion are the MAIN cause of accidents, fact!
"roads with congestions and traffic volumes are the main cause of accidents. Busy roads and motorways can lead to more accidents it is a fact." People, not roads or congestion are the MAIN cause of accidents, fact! A Darener
  • Score: 2

11:49am Thu 27 Feb 14

HarryBosch says...

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/motoring/road
-safety/8702111/How-
do-accidents-happen.
html
This article is an eye opening read. There is no such thing as an accident.
http://www.telegraph .co.uk/motoring/road -safety/8702111/How- do-accidents-happen. html This article is an eye opening read. There is no such thing as an accident. HarryBosch
  • Score: 0

11:53am Thu 27 Feb 14

rudis_dad says...

Like the number of people who drive with sub-standard driving ability, the number of people who drive with sub-standard eyesight is truly frightening. Here's an unscientific test you can do - first of all, check whether you can read a number plate at 20 metres. Wear your lenses or glasses if you have to. Can you do it? Yes? Right, now get all your mates to do it. I'll put money on at least 50% not being able to do it. Yet how many of then drive without wearing their glasses or lenses? And I'm sorry, but if you have impaired night vision, or you are "easily confused", whatever that means, then you shouldn't be on the roads at all.

Roads, traffic congestion and weather/lighting conditions DO NOT cause accidents. Inattentive, unfit, incompetent and arrogant drivers cause accidents - nothing more, nothing less.
Like the number of people who drive with sub-standard driving ability, the number of people who drive with sub-standard eyesight is truly frightening. Here's an unscientific test you can do - first of all, check whether you can read a number plate at 20 metres. Wear your lenses or glasses if you have to. Can you do it? Yes? Right, now get all your mates to do it. I'll put money on at least 50% not being able to do it. Yet how many of then drive without wearing their glasses or lenses? And I'm sorry, but if you have impaired night vision, or you are "easily confused", whatever that means, then you shouldn't be on the roads at all. Roads, traffic congestion and weather/lighting conditions DO NOT cause accidents. Inattentive, unfit, incompetent and arrogant drivers cause accidents - nothing more, nothing less. rudis_dad
  • Score: 2

12:56pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Corsetmaker says...

"Countries like US Australia China Russia Brazil Canada and India which are very large countries with very large motorway networks may not need lights on their highways, because of the land mass."

What a load of rubbish!! What has an area of land have to do with it?! You have tried to make a reasonably intelligent reply, but you have applied the wrong information and data for the argument to be even remotely valid. Driving like an absolute tit, driving whilst under the influence (like this guy was) driving whilst messing around on your mobile phone & not paying attention to the road... THOSE things cause accidents. Strangely enough, cars have lights on them, they light up the road when you are driving... if you cant see well enough to drive at night, do us all a favour and hand your licence back!
"Countries like US Australia China Russia Brazil Canada and India which are very large countries with very large motorway networks may not need lights on their highways, because of the land mass." What a load of rubbish!! What has an area of land have to do with it?! You have tried to make a reasonably intelligent reply, but you have applied the wrong information and data for the argument to be even remotely valid. Driving like an absolute tit, driving whilst under the influence (like this guy was) driving whilst messing around on your mobile phone & not paying attention to the road... THOSE things cause accidents. Strangely enough, cars have lights on them, they light up the road when you are driving... if you cant see well enough to drive at night, do us all a favour and hand your licence back! Corsetmaker
  • Score: -1

1:55pm Thu 27 Feb 14

CeeBee85 says...

There shouldn't be any one driving with impaired vision...!!! It's a person's own responsibility to make sure they wear appropriate glasses/contacts, and if their sight is so bad that even glasses and contacts are good enough, then they shouldn't be on the road! However I do agree that the motorway should be lit. Even if it was every 2nd or 3rd light, that would make a difference. Although the person who caused the accident mentioned above, the absolute darkness on the motorway at the time would have meant that any motorists approaching the scene of the accident may have had trouble spotting it early enough to avoid, causing further accidents. It's completely ridiculous that any stretch of motorway is left totally unlit, just to save money.
There shouldn't be any one driving with impaired vision...!!! It's a person's own responsibility to make sure they wear appropriate glasses/contacts, and if their sight is so bad that even glasses and contacts are good enough, then they shouldn't be on the road! However I do agree that the motorway should be lit. Even if it was every 2nd or 3rd light, that would make a difference. Although the person who caused the accident mentioned above, the absolute darkness on the motorway at the time would have meant that any motorists approaching the scene of the accident may have had trouble spotting it early enough to avoid, causing further accidents. It's completely ridiculous that any stretch of motorway is left totally unlit, just to save money. CeeBee85
  • Score: 0

7:55pm Thu 27 Feb 14

M.DANNY says...

I am backing Lancashire Telegraph to have lights back on M65 Motorway and it is much safer to have lights on motorway in event of accidents.
Britain is a small island our motorway network is small compared to many other countries I want lights on all our motorways .
Switching lights off to reduce carbon emission why not switch street lights off in our towns and cities at midnight while all our population are a sleeping or do we fear crimes will rise ?.
I am backing Lancashire Telegraph to have lights back on M65 Motorway and it is much safer to have lights on motorway in event of accidents. Britain is a small island our motorway network is small compared to many other countries I want lights on all our motorways . Switching lights off to reduce carbon emission why not switch street lights off in our towns and cities at midnight while all our population are a sleeping or do we fear crimes will rise ?. M.DANNY
  • Score: 1

8:24pm Thu 27 Feb 14

HarryBosch says...

M.DANNY wrote:
I am backing Lancashire Telegraph to have lights back on M65 Motorway and it is much safer to have lights on motorway in event of accidents.
Britain is a small island our motorway network is small compared to many other countries I want lights on all our motorways .
Switching lights off to reduce carbon emission why not switch street lights off in our towns and cities at midnight while all our population are a sleeping or do we fear crimes will rise ?.
It's already happening MR. See the following links :-

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/politics
/labour/10438321/Two
-thirds-of-councils-
turning-street-light
s-down-research-find
s.htm

and this one

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/uknews/l
aw-and-order/1047209
6/Cost-cutting-counc
il-contributed-to-de
ath-of-student-by-sw
itching-off-street-l
ights.html
[quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: I am backing Lancashire Telegraph to have lights back on M65 Motorway and it is much safer to have lights on motorway in event of accidents. Britain is a small island our motorway network is small compared to many other countries I want lights on all our motorways . Switching lights off to reduce carbon emission why not switch street lights off in our towns and cities at midnight while all our population are a sleeping or do we fear crimes will rise ?.[/p][/quote]It's already happening MR. See the following links :- http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/politics /labour/10438321/Two -thirds-of-councils- turning-street-light s-down-research-find s.htm and this one http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/uknews/l aw-and-order/1047209 6/Cost-cutting-counc il-contributed-to-de ath-of-student-by-sw itching-off-street-l ights.html HarryBosch
  • Score: 0

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