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Tax hike to help fund Lancashire policing

Lancashire Telegraph: Crime commissioner Clive Grunshaw Crime commissioner Clive Grunshaw

POLICE chiefs are considering increasing council tax to plug an £80million funding gap.

Crime commissioner Clive Grunshaw said he was looking into the move as a way of addressing around £20million of savings the force has to find by 2017/18.

Lancashire police was braced for £73.5million of budget cuts, but the total has now risen to up to £80million after government funding was announced last month.

Mr Grunshaw said one way of finding some of the cash would be to raise the police section of council tax by two per cent.

It comes just 12 months after the commissioner increased the amount for 2013/14 by two per cent.

Mr Grunshaw said: “It is no secret we are facing a significant financial challenge and, based on the financial settlement received in December, we now know we need to save up to £20million by 2017/18.

“Income raised through council tax is a vital source of police funding and asking people to pay more is something I need to consider in order to relieve the pressure on frontline policing.”

The average Band D property in Lancashire currently pays £152.92 a year towards policing and the government is offering a grant of around £600,000 if the precept is frozen at that level.

But Mr Grunshaw said if every household had their precept increased by two per cent, equivalent to about 6p a week for a Band D property, an extra £1.2million would be raised.

He said: “In the current financial climate, it is a difficult decision to ask people to pay more.

“But we need to minimise the impact of the cuts which have been imposed on Lancashire Constabulary by the Government if we are to maintain the high levels of performance which the force prides itself on.”

Lancashire Constabulary has already made £60million cuts and, in September, Mr Grunshaw warned the force was in danger of reaching ‘tipping point’.

Overall, the predicted staffing reductions from 2009 to 2017/18 are around 700 police officers and 550 police staff, which includes around 74 police community support officers.

Mr Grunshaw is inviting residents to offer their opinions at consultation events. He said: “I hope residents will take this opportunity to talk to me about the financial challenge the police force is facing, and have their say on how much they believe they should pay.”

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2:06pm Mon 6 Jan 14

ste.g says...

hasn't the government already advised local authorities NOT to increase council tax???
hasn't the government already advised local authorities NOT to increase council tax??? ste.g
  • Score: 6

2:18pm Mon 6 Jan 14

woolywords says...

Perhaps Mr Grunshaw would considered making a monetary charge against those whom use up the Police resources, at a more realistic level.
Two officers to arrest a drunk, then another to monitor them whilst in custody, all cost the tax payer but little is recovered in the eventual penalty.
Where court costs are imposed, no account is taken of the totality of the costs in the case. Am sure that would raise as much, if not more than any increment through a precept payment, not to mention gaining the support of the community.
Let those whom cost the force, pay for it, seems a most equitable way of funding.
Perhaps Mr Grunshaw would considered making a monetary charge against those whom use up the Police resources, at a more realistic level. Two officers to arrest a drunk, then another to monitor them whilst in custody, all cost the tax payer but little is recovered in the eventual penalty. Where court costs are imposed, no account is taken of the totality of the costs in the case. Am sure that would raise as much, if not more than any increment through a precept payment, not to mention gaining the support of the community. Let those whom cost the force, pay for it, seems a most equitable way of funding. woolywords
  • Score: 22

2:21pm Mon 6 Jan 14

woolywords says...

ste.g wrote:
hasn't the government already advised local authorities NOT to increase council tax???
There is, as in any financial dealings, a loophole.
The payment to the Police, is separate to the main charge.
[quote][p][bold]ste.g[/bold] wrote: hasn't the government already advised local authorities NOT to increase council tax???[/p][/quote]There is, as in any financial dealings, a loophole. The payment to the Police, is separate to the main charge. woolywords
  • Score: 3

2:23pm Mon 6 Jan 14

shytalk says...

Then they will spend all the increase in council tax arresting people who can,t afford to pay their council tax
Then they will spend all the increase in council tax arresting people who can,t afford to pay their council tax shytalk
  • Score: 9

2:56pm Mon 6 Jan 14

useyourhead says...

It's times like this I'm glad I live in a garage!
It's times like this I'm glad I live in a garage! useyourhead
  • Score: 3

3:21pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Mary Queen of Spots says...

Given this report, what odds do we give for no increase in the police precept? We're being softened-up, and by a master.
Given this report, what odds do we give for no increase in the police precept? We're being softened-up, and by a master. Mary Queen of Spots
  • Score: 0

3:44pm Mon 6 Jan 14

mavrick says...

Why do they bother inviting people to a meaningless consultation. the police and all other public services are at breaking point. The only cure is to get rid of this unelected coalition and start running the country for the people in it.
Why do they bother inviting people to a meaningless consultation. the police and all other public services are at breaking point. The only cure is to get rid of this unelected coalition and start running the country for the people in it. mavrick
  • Score: -4

3:56pm Mon 6 Jan 14

leyton says...

perhaps he could start with the £200,000 for expenses and drivers to run the chiefs around .Then the find out where and why another £300,000 was spent on credit cards etc for hotels and meals .Then maybe he could ask why they spend £1,000's on hiring pics for the walls and plants .The list is endless.
perhaps he could start with the £200,000 for expenses and drivers to run the chiefs around .Then the find out where and why another £300,000 was spent on credit cards etc for hotels and meals .Then maybe he could ask why they spend £1,000's on hiring pics for the walls and plants .The list is endless. leyton
  • Score: 15

4:26pm Mon 6 Jan 14

frank says...

hasn't taken him long to start putting prices up has it?
hasn't taken him long to start putting prices up has it? frank
  • Score: 9

4:33pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Izanears says...

woolywords wrote:
ste.g wrote:
hasn't the government already advised local authorities NOT to increase council tax???
There is, as in any financial dealings, a loophole.
The payment to the Police, is separate to the main charge.
Those who tax us have got crafty just like budget airlines. If you want more money but kid the public they are getting a good deal split things up and charge more for each part. For example, years ago householders paid one tax to the council, only water was separate. It was called RATES. Over the years in order to extort more cash, RATES have been renamed (Community Charge) and split up. More recently it has gone even further by having Parish and Town councils for example. This means that although the County or Borough council can boast they have not increased their precept, Parish and Town councils can. So to sum up, there are now so many different ways to get money from us that although one part may not increase the charge, others can.To put in a nutshell, we are being conned.
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ste.g[/bold] wrote: hasn't the government already advised local authorities NOT to increase council tax???[/p][/quote]There is, as in any financial dealings, a loophole. The payment to the Police, is separate to the main charge.[/p][/quote]Those who tax us have got crafty just like budget airlines. If you want more money but kid the public they are getting a good deal split things up and charge more for each part. For example, years ago householders paid one tax to the council, only water was separate. It was called RATES. Over the years in order to extort more cash, RATES have been renamed (Community Charge) and split up. More recently it has gone even further by having Parish and Town councils for example. This means that although the County or Borough council can boast they have not increased their precept, Parish and Town councils can. So to sum up, there are now so many different ways to get money from us that although one part may not increase the charge, others can.To put in a nutshell, we are being conned. Izanears
  • Score: 3

4:37pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Lancs - pensioner says...

mavrick wrote:
Why do they bother inviting people to a meaningless consultation. the police and all other public services are at breaking point. The only cure is to get rid of this unelected coalition and start running the country for the people in it.
Look at leytons post below yours, get the police in our world, start looking at cut backs like the rest of us.
All party's when they get in fiddle everything, hopefully UKIP will be given a chance this time, it's time someone spoke some plain English about our country's problems and get rid of the spin doctors.
Did you see the news last night when talking about the pensioners keeping there pension in line with inflation, every pensioner shown was playing golf , talk about twisting things to suit!!!last year when the cold weather came they showed all the pensioners rapped in blankets saying we couldn't afford fuel.
The media has this country by the you know what's!!!
[quote][p][bold]mavrick[/bold] wrote: Why do they bother inviting people to a meaningless consultation. the police and all other public services are at breaking point. The only cure is to get rid of this unelected coalition and start running the country for the people in it.[/p][/quote]Look at leytons post below yours, get the police in our world, start looking at cut backs like the rest of us. All party's when they get in fiddle everything, hopefully UKIP will be given a chance this time, it's time someone spoke some plain English about our country's problems and get rid of the spin doctors. Did you see the news last night when talking about the pensioners keeping there pension in line with inflation, every pensioner shown was playing golf , talk about twisting things to suit!!!last year when the cold weather came they showed all the pensioners rapped in blankets saying we couldn't afford fuel. The media has this country by the you know what's!!! Lancs - pensioner
  • Score: 10

4:57pm Mon 6 Jan 14

It's a spade! says...

Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual.

We get many crimes they do absolutely nothing about and then hundreds turn up to help the fire brigade rescue a cat from a tree.

Then there's all the civllian hangers on and all the "management" baggage that goes with it. Gold plated pensions, sick pay galore and of course the "Crime Commissioners" on £100,000 a year.

The ordinary people of this country have really been stitched up by the political elite. We pay for their excesses in every facet of life, the gravy trains are running and we don't have a ticket.

Thay have realised that there are so many either stupid or apatheitc people in this country that they can get way with murder. And they probably do!
Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual. We get many crimes they do absolutely nothing about and then hundreds turn up to help the fire brigade rescue a cat from a tree. Then there's all the civllian hangers on and all the "management" baggage that goes with it. Gold plated pensions, sick pay galore and of course the "Crime Commissioners" on £100,000 a year. The ordinary people of this country have really been stitched up by the political elite. We pay for their excesses in every facet of life, the gravy trains are running and we don't have a ticket. Thay have realised that there are so many either stupid or apatheitc people in this country that they can get way with murder. And they probably do! It's a spade!
  • Score: 7

5:38pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Just an observer says...

Want my shirt too????
Want my shirt too???? Just an observer
  • Score: 3

5:39pm Mon 6 Jan 14

the white witch says...

Is there NO THOUGHT for the human race at all, it`s bad enough in this day and age for people struggling to make ends meat now, and yet the police wants to squeeze more money from people without any thought of people`s situation for funds. There is people loosing thier homes now because they cannot afford the mortgage or rent, some are struggling and worrying how they are going to feed the children and family, I don`t think the police will have any shame as long as they get the money they want so that the police fat cats can look good. what a disgrace and thoughtless selfish force we have.
Is there NO THOUGHT for the human race at all, it`s bad enough in this day and age for people struggling to make ends meat now, and yet the police wants to squeeze more money from people without any thought of people`s situation for funds. There is people loosing thier homes now because they cannot afford the mortgage or rent, some are struggling and worrying how they are going to feed the children and family, I don`t think the police will have any shame as long as they get the money they want so that the police fat cats can look good. what a disgrace and thoughtless selfish force we have. the white witch
  • Score: 2

5:41pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Just an observer says...

I know, i'll get a bucket. sit in town and see if i can get them some donations, would that help???
I know, i'll get a bucket. sit in town and see if i can get them some donations, would that help??? Just an observer
  • Score: 0

5:47pm Mon 6 Jan 14

the white witch says...

Just an observer wrote:
I know, i'll get a bucket. sit in town and see if i can get them some donations, would that help???
na i doubt it, but then again when they book you for sitting there begging, the fine payment can go towards the £80,000 they need. lol
[quote][p][bold]Just an observer[/bold] wrote: I know, i'll get a bucket. sit in town and see if i can get them some donations, would that help???[/p][/quote]na i doubt it, but then again when they book you for sitting there begging, the fine payment can go towards the £80,000 they need. lol the white witch
  • Score: 0

6:02pm Mon 6 Jan 14

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

shytalk wrote:
Then they will spend all the increase in council tax arresting people who can,t afford to pay their council tax
Bailiffs do all that stuff now not the cops.
[quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: Then they will spend all the increase in council tax arresting people who can,t afford to pay their council tax[/p][/quote]Bailiffs do all that stuff now not the cops. You're not mugging me off that easily
  • Score: 2

6:04pm Mon 6 Jan 14

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

leyton wrote:
perhaps he could start with the £200,000 for expenses and drivers to run the chiefs around .Then the find out where and why another £300,000 was spent on credit cards etc for hotels and meals .Then maybe he could ask why they spend £1,000's on hiring pics for the walls and plants .The list is endless.
Where is this information available ?
[quote][p][bold]leyton[/bold] wrote: perhaps he could start with the £200,000 for expenses and drivers to run the chiefs around .Then the find out where and why another £300,000 was spent on credit cards etc for hotels and meals .Then maybe he could ask why they spend £1,000's on hiring pics for the walls and plants .The list is endless.[/p][/quote]Where is this information available ? You're not mugging me off that easily
  • Score: 0

6:16pm Mon 6 Jan 14

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

It's a spade! wrote:
Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual.

We get many crimes they do absolutely nothing about and then hundreds turn up to help the fire brigade rescue a cat from a tree.

Then there's all the civllian hangers on and all the "management" baggage that goes with it. Gold plated pensions, sick pay galore and of course the "Crime Commissioners" on £100,000 a year.

The ordinary people of this country have really been stitched up by the political elite. We pay for their excesses in every facet of life, the gravy trains are running and we don't have a ticket.

Thay have realised that there are so many either stupid or apatheitc people in this country that they can get way with murder. And they probably do!
Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual.

From the pictures you SAW? Do you know anything else about what was happening?.... No ?
Well I do and I tell you that all those resources were absolutely necessary.

And your comments about hundreds turning up to help the fire brigade remove cats from trees tells me that you're just another person who jumps on the bashing band wagon based on his opinions formed from ignorance and wildly inaccurate media reports.
[quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual. We get many crimes they do absolutely nothing about and then hundreds turn up to help the fire brigade rescue a cat from a tree. Then there's all the civllian hangers on and all the "management" baggage that goes with it. Gold plated pensions, sick pay galore and of course the "Crime Commissioners" on £100,000 a year. The ordinary people of this country have really been stitched up by the political elite. We pay for their excesses in every facet of life, the gravy trains are running and we don't have a ticket. Thay have realised that there are so many either stupid or apatheitc people in this country that they can get way with murder. And they probably do![/p][/quote]Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual. From the pictures you SAW? Do you know anything else about what was happening?.... No ? Well I do and I tell you that all those resources were absolutely necessary. And your comments about hundreds turning up to help the fire brigade remove cats from trees tells me that you're just another person who jumps on the bashing band wagon based on his opinions formed from ignorance and wildly inaccurate media reports. You're not mugging me off that easily
  • Score: 0

6:24pm Mon 6 Jan 14

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

the white witch wrote:
Is there NO THOUGHT for the human race at all, it`s bad enough in this day and age for people struggling to make ends meat now, and yet the police wants to squeeze more money from people without any thought of people`s situation for funds. There is people loosing thier homes now because they cannot afford the mortgage or rent, some are struggling and worrying how they are going to feed the children and family, I don`t think the police will have any shame as long as they get the money they want so that the police fat cats can look good. what a disgrace and thoughtless selfish force we have.
It's not the Police as a whole that wants to increase council tax payments it's the police and crime commissioner. And why does he want to do it? Because this inept government would rather ask police forces to disproportionately slash budgets while giving the wealthy tax breaks.

And I don't really think an extra 24 pence a month will see you sleeping in shop doorways and eating at a soup kitchen.

All in all you've made some pretty ignorant, stupid sweeping comments there.
[quote][p][bold]the white witch[/bold] wrote: Is there NO THOUGHT for the human race at all, it`s bad enough in this day and age for people struggling to make ends meat now, and yet the police wants to squeeze more money from people without any thought of people`s situation for funds. There is people loosing thier homes now because they cannot afford the mortgage or rent, some are struggling and worrying how they are going to feed the children and family, I don`t think the police will have any shame as long as they get the money they want so that the police fat cats can look good. what a disgrace and thoughtless selfish force we have.[/p][/quote]It's not the Police as a whole that wants to increase council tax payments it's the police and crime commissioner. And why does he want to do it? Because this inept government would rather ask police forces to disproportionately slash budgets while giving the wealthy tax breaks. And I don't really think an extra 24 pence a month will see you sleeping in shop doorways and eating at a soup kitchen. All in all you've made some pretty ignorant, stupid sweeping comments there. You're not mugging me off that easily
  • Score: -1

6:39pm Mon 6 Jan 14

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

the white witch wrote:
Just an observer wrote:
I know, i'll get a bucket. sit in town and see if i can get them some donations, would that help???
na i doubt it, but then again when they book you for sitting there begging, the fine payment can go towards the £80,000 they need. lol
£80 million not £80,000.

Get yer abacus out.
[quote][p][bold]the white witch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just an observer[/bold] wrote: I know, i'll get a bucket. sit in town and see if i can get them some donations, would that help???[/p][/quote]na i doubt it, but then again when they book you for sitting there begging, the fine payment can go towards the £80,000 they need. lol[/p][/quote]£80 million not £80,000. Get yer abacus out. You're not mugging me off that easily
  • Score: 2

7:08pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Mary Queen of Spots says...

Mr Grunshaw describes one way of raising money. Only one way. We must hope he's got another way to recover twenty millions by 2017/18, or we will suffer about seventeen raises of two percent by then, if my junior school arithmetic is right. The picture shows him wringing his hands, I think.
Mr Grunshaw describes one way of raising money. Only one way. We must hope he's got another way to recover twenty millions by 2017/18, or we will suffer about seventeen raises of two percent by then, if my junior school arithmetic is right. The picture shows him wringing his hands, I think. Mary Queen of Spots
  • Score: 0

7:17pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Good call says...

It's a spade! wrote:
Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual.

We get many crimes they do absolutely nothing about and then hundreds turn up to help the fire brigade rescue a cat from a tree.

Then there's all the civllian hangers on and all the "management" baggage that goes with it. Gold plated pensions, sick pay galore and of course the "Crime Commissioners" on £100,000 a year.

The ordinary people of this country have really been stitched up by the political elite. We pay for their excesses in every facet of life, the gravy trains are running and we don't have a ticket.

Thay have realised that there are so many either stupid or apatheitc people in this country that they can get way with murder. And they probably do!
The bloke was holding a woman hostage with a knife, how would you have dealt with that as a senior policeman/woman, sent ordinary officers in to storm the premises which would have ended in a bloodbath.

If you aren't happy with the current levels and standards of policing why not join up as a special to try and improve the situation.

http://www.lancashir
e.police.uk/recruitm
ent/special-constabl
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[quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual. We get many crimes they do absolutely nothing about and then hundreds turn up to help the fire brigade rescue a cat from a tree. Then there's all the civllian hangers on and all the "management" baggage that goes with it. Gold plated pensions, sick pay galore and of course the "Crime Commissioners" on £100,000 a year. The ordinary people of this country have really been stitched up by the political elite. We pay for their excesses in every facet of life, the gravy trains are running and we don't have a ticket. Thay have realised that there are so many either stupid or apatheitc people in this country that they can get way with murder. And they probably do![/p][/quote]The bloke was holding a woman hostage with a knife, how would you have dealt with that as a senior policeman/woman, sent ordinary officers in to storm the premises which would have ended in a bloodbath. If you aren't happy with the current levels and standards of policing why not join up as a special to try and improve the situation. http://www.lancashir e.police.uk/recruitm ent/special-constabl e Good call
  • Score: 1

7:20pm Mon 6 Jan 14

glossopkid says...

You're not mugging me off that easily wrote:
It's a spade! wrote:
Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual.

We get many crimes they do absolutely nothing about and then hundreds turn up to help the fire brigade rescue a cat from a tree.

Then there's all the civllian hangers on and all the "management" baggage that goes with it. Gold plated pensions, sick pay galore and of course the "Crime Commissioners" on £100,000 a year.

The ordinary people of this country have really been stitched up by the political elite. We pay for their excesses in every facet of life, the gravy trains are running and we don't have a ticket.

Thay have realised that there are so many either stupid or apatheitc people in this country that they can get way with murder. And they probably do!
Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual.

From the pictures you SAW? Do you know anything else about what was happening?.... No ?
Well I do and I tell you that all those resources were absolutely necessary.

And your comments about hundreds turning up to help the fire brigade remove cats from trees tells me that you're just another person who jumps on the bashing band wagon based on his opinions formed from ignorance and wildly inaccurate media reports.
And how do you know?????????
[quote][p][bold]You're not mugging me off that easily[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual. We get many crimes they do absolutely nothing about and then hundreds turn up to help the fire brigade rescue a cat from a tree. Then there's all the civllian hangers on and all the "management" baggage that goes with it. Gold plated pensions, sick pay galore and of course the "Crime Commissioners" on £100,000 a year. The ordinary people of this country have really been stitched up by the political elite. We pay for their excesses in every facet of life, the gravy trains are running and we don't have a ticket. Thay have realised that there are so many either stupid or apatheitc people in this country that they can get way with murder. And they probably do![/p][/quote]Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual. From the pictures you SAW? Do you know anything else about what was happening?.... No ? Well I do and I tell you that all those resources were absolutely necessary. And your comments about hundreds turning up to help the fire brigade remove cats from trees tells me that you're just another person who jumps on the bashing band wagon based on his opinions formed from ignorance and wildly inaccurate media reports.[/p][/quote]And how do you know????????? glossopkid
  • Score: 2

8:43pm Mon 6 Jan 14

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

glossopkid wrote:
You're not mugging me off that easily wrote:
It's a spade! wrote:
Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual.

We get many crimes they do absolutely nothing about and then hundreds turn up to help the fire brigade rescue a cat from a tree.

Then there's all the civllian hangers on and all the "management" baggage that goes with it. Gold plated pensions, sick pay galore and of course the "Crime Commissioners" on £100,000 a year.

The ordinary people of this country have really been stitched up by the political elite. We pay for their excesses in every facet of life, the gravy trains are running and we don't have a ticket.

Thay have realised that there are so many either stupid or apatheitc people in this country that they can get way with murder. And they probably do!
Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual.

From the pictures you SAW? Do you know anything else about what was happening?.... No ?
Well I do and I tell you that all those resources were absolutely necessary.

And your comments about hundreds turning up to help the fire brigade remove cats from trees tells me that you're just another person who jumps on the bashing band wagon based on his opinions formed from ignorance and wildly inaccurate media reports.
And how do you know?????????
Brother in law in the armed cops. Took part in the event.
[quote][p][bold]glossopkid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]You're not mugging me off that easily[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual. We get many crimes they do absolutely nothing about and then hundreds turn up to help the fire brigade rescue a cat from a tree. Then there's all the civllian hangers on and all the "management" baggage that goes with it. Gold plated pensions, sick pay galore and of course the "Crime Commissioners" on £100,000 a year. The ordinary people of this country have really been stitched up by the political elite. We pay for their excesses in every facet of life, the gravy trains are running and we don't have a ticket. Thay have realised that there are so many either stupid or apatheitc people in this country that they can get way with murder. And they probably do![/p][/quote]Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual. From the pictures you SAW? Do you know anything else about what was happening?.... No ? Well I do and I tell you that all those resources were absolutely necessary. And your comments about hundreds turning up to help the fire brigade remove cats from trees tells me that you're just another person who jumps on the bashing band wagon based on his opinions formed from ignorance and wildly inaccurate media reports.[/p][/quote]And how do you know?????????[/p][/quote]Brother in law in the armed cops. Took part in the event. You're not mugging me off that easily
  • Score: -1

9:30pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Mary Queen of Spots says...

You're not mugging me off that easily wrote:
glossopkid wrote:
You're not mugging me off that easily wrote:
It's a spade! wrote:
Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual.

We get many crimes they do absolutely nothing about and then hundreds turn up to help the fire brigade rescue a cat from a tree.

Then there's all the civllian hangers on and all the "management" baggage that goes with it. Gold plated pensions, sick pay galore and of course the "Crime Commissioners" on £100,000 a year.

The ordinary people of this country have really been stitched up by the political elite. We pay for their excesses in every facet of life, the gravy trains are running and we don't have a ticket.

Thay have realised that there are so many either stupid or apatheitc people in this country that they can get way with murder. And they probably do!
Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual.

From the pictures you SAW? Do you know anything else about what was happening?.... No ?
Well I do and I tell you that all those resources were absolutely necessary.

And your comments about hundreds turning up to help the fire brigade remove cats from trees tells me that you're just another person who jumps on the bashing band wagon based on his opinions formed from ignorance and wildly inaccurate media reports.
And how do you know?????????
Brother in law in the armed cops. Took part in the event.
Should brother-in-law armed cop be telling his brother-in-law? If he does, should brother-in-law mention it here?
[quote][p][bold]You're not mugging me off that easily[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]glossopkid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]You're not mugging me off that easily[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual. We get many crimes they do absolutely nothing about and then hundreds turn up to help the fire brigade rescue a cat from a tree. Then there's all the civllian hangers on and all the "management" baggage that goes with it. Gold plated pensions, sick pay galore and of course the "Crime Commissioners" on £100,000 a year. The ordinary people of this country have really been stitched up by the political elite. We pay for their excesses in every facet of life, the gravy trains are running and we don't have a ticket. Thay have realised that there are so many either stupid or apatheitc people in this country that they can get way with murder. And they probably do![/p][/quote]Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual. From the pictures you SAW? Do you know anything else about what was happening?.... No ? Well I do and I tell you that all those resources were absolutely necessary. And your comments about hundreds turning up to help the fire brigade remove cats from trees tells me that you're just another person who jumps on the bashing band wagon based on his opinions formed from ignorance and wildly inaccurate media reports.[/p][/quote]And how do you know?????????[/p][/quote]Brother in law in the armed cops. Took part in the event.[/p][/quote]Should brother-in-law armed cop be telling his brother-in-law? If he does, should brother-in-law mention it here? Mary Queen of Spots
  • Score: 4

10:57pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Pan-cake says...

I would query the competence and appropriateness of someone under investigation for making a Horlicks of their expense claims being able to decide to extract an increased amount of money from me, come April.
Shades of the Police investigation into cheating by Hyndburn Council leader George Slynn during the 1999 election. The long grass can be most useful when embarrassment needs to be hidden from the public view.
I would query the competence and appropriateness of someone under investigation for making a Horlicks of their expense claims being able to decide to extract an increased amount of money from me, come April. Shades of the Police investigation into cheating by Hyndburn Council leader George Slynn during the 1999 election. The long grass can be most useful when embarrassment needs to be hidden from the public view. Pan-cake
  • Score: 2

11:07pm Mon 6 Jan 14

It's a spade! says...

Good call wrote:
It's a spade! wrote:
Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual.

We get many crimes they do absolutely nothing about and then hundreds turn up to help the fire brigade rescue a cat from a tree.

Then there's all the civllian hangers on and all the "management" baggage that goes with it. Gold plated pensions, sick pay galore and of course the "Crime Commissioners" on £100,000 a year.

The ordinary people of this country have really been stitched up by the political elite. We pay for their excesses in every facet of life, the gravy trains are running and we don't have a ticket.

Thay have realised that there are so many either stupid or apatheitc people in this country that they can get way with murder. And they probably do!
The bloke was holding a woman hostage with a knife, how would you have dealt with that as a senior policeman/woman, sent ordinary officers in to storm the premises which would have ended in a bloodbath.

If you aren't happy with the current levels and standards of policing why not join up as a special to try and improve the situation.

http://www.lancashir

e.police.uk/recruitm

ent/special-constabl

e
I didn't say they shouldn't send an armed response unit. It just doesn't need 20 of them plus probably about 30 other "ordinary officers."

I personally know several current and retired police officers including a Chief Super, Tactical Support and CID. So I do know!
[quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual. We get many crimes they do absolutely nothing about and then hundreds turn up to help the fire brigade rescue a cat from a tree. Then there's all the civllian hangers on and all the "management" baggage that goes with it. Gold plated pensions, sick pay galore and of course the "Crime Commissioners" on £100,000 a year. The ordinary people of this country have really been stitched up by the political elite. We pay for their excesses in every facet of life, the gravy trains are running and we don't have a ticket. Thay have realised that there are so many either stupid or apatheitc people in this country that they can get way with murder. And they probably do![/p][/quote]The bloke was holding a woman hostage with a knife, how would you have dealt with that as a senior policeman/woman, sent ordinary officers in to storm the premises which would have ended in a bloodbath. If you aren't happy with the current levels and standards of policing why not join up as a special to try and improve the situation. http://www.lancashir e.police.uk/recruitm ent/special-constabl e[/p][/quote]I didn't say they shouldn't send an armed response unit. It just doesn't need 20 of them plus probably about 30 other "ordinary officers." I personally know several current and retired police officers including a Chief Super, Tactical Support and CID. So I do know! It's a spade!
  • Score: 0

11:15pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Loving lances says...

woolywords wrote:
Perhaps Mr Grunshaw would considered making a monetary charge against those whom use up the Police resources, at a more realistic level.
Two officers to arrest a drunk, then another to monitor them whilst in custody, all cost the tax payer but little is recovered in the eventual penalty.
Where court costs are imposed, no account is taken of the totality of the costs in the case. Am sure that would raise as much, if not more than any increment through a precept payment, not to mention gaining the support of the community.
Let those whom cost the force, pay for it, seems a most equitable way of funding.
No chance. Labour politicans will not risk upsetting working class boozers, drunks, chavs and hooligans.
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Perhaps Mr Grunshaw would considered making a monetary charge against those whom use up the Police resources, at a more realistic level. Two officers to arrest a drunk, then another to monitor them whilst in custody, all cost the tax payer but little is recovered in the eventual penalty. Where court costs are imposed, no account is taken of the totality of the costs in the case. Am sure that would raise as much, if not more than any increment through a precept payment, not to mention gaining the support of the community. Let those whom cost the force, pay for it, seems a most equitable way of funding.[/p][/quote]No chance. Labour politicans will not risk upsetting working class boozers, drunks, chavs and hooligans. Loving lances
  • Score: 3

11:50pm Mon 6 Jan 14

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

Mary Queen of Spots wrote:
You're not mugging me off that easily wrote:
glossopkid wrote:
You're not mugging me off that easily wrote:
It's a spade! wrote:
Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual.

We get many crimes they do absolutely nothing about and then hundreds turn up to help the fire brigade rescue a cat from a tree.

Then there's all the civllian hangers on and all the "management" baggage that goes with it. Gold plated pensions, sick pay galore and of course the "Crime Commissioners" on £100,000 a year.

The ordinary people of this country have really been stitched up by the political elite. We pay for their excesses in every facet of life, the gravy trains are running and we don't have a ticket.

Thay have realised that there are so many either stupid or apatheitc people in this country that they can get way with murder. And they probably do!
Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual.

From the pictures you SAW? Do you know anything else about what was happening?.... No ?
Well I do and I tell you that all those resources were absolutely necessary.

And your comments about hundreds turning up to help the fire brigade remove cats from trees tells me that you're just another person who jumps on the bashing band wagon based on his opinions formed from ignorance and wildly inaccurate media reports.
And how do you know?????????
Brother in law in the armed cops. Took part in the event.
Should brother-in-law armed cop be telling his brother-in-law? If he does, should brother-in-law mention it here?
What exactly have I mentioned other than a family member was there ?
[quote][p][bold]Mary Queen of Spots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]You're not mugging me off that easily[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]glossopkid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]You're not mugging me off that easily[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual. We get many crimes they do absolutely nothing about and then hundreds turn up to help the fire brigade rescue a cat from a tree. Then there's all the civllian hangers on and all the "management" baggage that goes with it. Gold plated pensions, sick pay galore and of course the "Crime Commissioners" on £100,000 a year. The ordinary people of this country have really been stitched up by the political elite. We pay for their excesses in every facet of life, the gravy trains are running and we don't have a ticket. Thay have realised that there are so many either stupid or apatheitc people in this country that they can get way with murder. And they probably do![/p][/quote]Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual. From the pictures you SAW? Do you know anything else about what was happening?.... No ? Well I do and I tell you that all those resources were absolutely necessary. And your comments about hundreds turning up to help the fire brigade remove cats from trees tells me that you're just another person who jumps on the bashing band wagon based on his opinions formed from ignorance and wildly inaccurate media reports.[/p][/quote]And how do you know?????????[/p][/quote]Brother in law in the armed cops. Took part in the event.[/p][/quote]Should brother-in-law armed cop be telling his brother-in-law? If he does, should brother-in-law mention it here?[/p][/quote]What exactly have I mentioned other than a family member was there ? You're not mugging me off that easily
  • Score: -2

11:58pm Mon 6 Jan 14

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

It's a spade! wrote:
Good call wrote:
It's a spade! wrote:
Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual.

We get many crimes they do absolutely nothing about and then hundreds turn up to help the fire brigade rescue a cat from a tree.

Then there's all the civllian hangers on and all the "management" baggage that goes with it. Gold plated pensions, sick pay galore and of course the "Crime Commissioners" on £100,000 a year.

The ordinary people of this country have really been stitched up by the political elite. We pay for their excesses in every facet of life, the gravy trains are running and we don't have a ticket.

Thay have realised that there are so many either stupid or apatheitc people in this country that they can get way with murder. And they probably do!
The bloke was holding a woman hostage with a knife, how would you have dealt with that as a senior policeman/woman, sent ordinary officers in to storm the premises which would have ended in a bloodbath.

If you aren't happy with the current levels and standards of policing why not join up as a special to try and improve the situation.

http://www.lancashir


e.police.uk/recruitm


ent/special-constabl


e
I didn't say they shouldn't send an armed response unit. It just doesn't need 20 of them plus probably about 30 other "ordinary officers."

I personally know several current and retired police officers including a Chief Super, Tactical Support and CID. So I do know!
Whats tactical support ?

Were there really 20 there or have you made that up in a poor attempt to give credibility to your claim?

Were you there? Did you count them?

Do you know that area at all ? The local mungos come out whenever there is Police activity and often chuck bricks and fireworks at them, that's why the cordon is so resource intensive.....but nowhere near the tune of 30. Yet more exaggeration from "Mr make it up".
[quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: Last week there was a siege in Burnley with one man armed with a knife. From the pictures i saw dozens of heavily armed officers with machine guns helmets vests etc turned up. Complete overkill as usual. We get many crimes they do absolutely nothing about and then hundreds turn up to help the fire brigade rescue a cat from a tree. Then there's all the civllian hangers on and all the "management" baggage that goes with it. Gold plated pensions, sick pay galore and of course the "Crime Commissioners" on £100,000 a year. The ordinary people of this country have really been stitched up by the political elite. We pay for their excesses in every facet of life, the gravy trains are running and we don't have a ticket. Thay have realised that there are so many either stupid or apatheitc people in this country that they can get way with murder. And they probably do![/p][/quote]The bloke was holding a woman hostage with a knife, how would you have dealt with that as a senior policeman/woman, sent ordinary officers in to storm the premises which would have ended in a bloodbath. If you aren't happy with the current levels and standards of policing why not join up as a special to try and improve the situation. http://www.lancashir e.police.uk/recruitm ent/special-constabl e[/p][/quote]I didn't say they shouldn't send an armed response unit. It just doesn't need 20 of them plus probably about 30 other "ordinary officers." I personally know several current and retired police officers including a Chief Super, Tactical Support and CID. So I do know![/p][/quote]Whats tactical support ? Were there really 20 there or have you made that up in a poor attempt to give credibility to your claim? Were you there? Did you count them? Do you know that area at all ? The local mungos come out whenever there is Police activity and often chuck bricks and fireworks at them, that's why the cordon is so resource intensive.....but nowhere near the tune of 30. Yet more exaggeration from "Mr make it up". You're not mugging me off that easily
  • Score: 0

8:02am Tue 7 Jan 14

jenkinsroy says...

LOOK Mr Grunshaw
If you want more money of us
you better start to look after us and keep us safe
it is getting to the stage where you all want the money
you say you need then when you get it you do not
spend it well first you give your self a rise.
then you waste it on new cars to chase the young idiots
about the town . this is a waste because you should be using
the C.T.V. around town not the cars
and also the police on the beat need more powers
to do there job i mean the old police officer and the new ones
so if we have to pay more do not forget we will expect more
from you with out any excuses form you and i mean none
put the money where it is need the most and the front line
NOT in your or any overs pocket by the way of a rise in your pay .
LOOK Mr Grunshaw If you want more money of us you better start to look after us and keep us safe it is getting to the stage where you all want the money you say you need then when you get it you do not spend it well first you give your self a rise. then you waste it on new cars to chase the young idiots about the town . this is a waste because you should be using the C.T.V. around town not the cars and also the police on the beat need more powers to do there job i mean the old police officer and the new ones so if we have to pay more do not forget we will expect more from you with out any excuses form you and i mean none put the money where it is need the most and the front line NOT in your or any overs pocket by the way of a rise in your pay . jenkinsroy
  • Score: 0

9:24am Tue 7 Jan 14

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

jenkinsroy wrote:
LOOK Mr Grunshaw
If you want more money of us
you better start to look after us and keep us safe
it is getting to the stage where you all want the money
you say you need then when you get it you do not
spend it well first you give your self a rise.
then you waste it on new cars to chase the young idiots
about the town . this is a waste because you should be using
the C.T.V. around town not the cars
and also the police on the beat need more powers
to do there job i mean the old police officer and the new ones
so if we have to pay more do not forget we will expect more
from you with out any excuses form you and i mean none
put the money where it is need the most and the front line
NOT in your or any overs pocket by the way of a rise in your pay .
What ?

Didn't really get any of that ?

Stop putting special brew on your cornflakes.

Oh, and the odd comma would be nice.
[quote][p][bold]jenkinsroy[/bold] wrote: LOOK Mr Grunshaw If you want more money of us you better start to look after us and keep us safe it is getting to the stage where you all want the money you say you need then when you get it you do not spend it well first you give your self a rise. then you waste it on new cars to chase the young idiots about the town . this is a waste because you should be using the C.T.V. around town not the cars and also the police on the beat need more powers to do there job i mean the old police officer and the new ones so if we have to pay more do not forget we will expect more from you with out any excuses form you and i mean none put the money where it is need the most and the front line NOT in your or any overs pocket by the way of a rise in your pay .[/p][/quote]What ? Didn't really get any of that ? Stop putting special brew on your cornflakes. Oh, and the odd comma would be nice. You're not mugging me off that easily
  • Score: 0

10:21am Tue 7 Jan 14

vicn1956 says...

Grunshaw and his cronies could start by resigning. Are he and his friends value for money?
Grunshaw and his cronies could start by resigning. Are he and his friends value for money? vicn1956
  • Score: 2

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