Strict policing puts fans off big Blackburn Rovers v Burnley derby (From Lancashire Telegraph)

well if you muppets could behave yourselves they wouldnt have to...

mind you I do miss having a larf at the su su su icide squad....
maybe if we played the game in the evening they would all be in bed.

Disappointed at the 1350 who have bought the tickets. Not only whould we be supporting our friends and the boycott of Ewood (it is still going on isn't it?) but by accepting these arrangements its just allowing them to continue the same sort of regime for the foreseeable future.
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Next season I want to be able to make my way to blackburn in my own car not on a coach.

Gone are the days you could hire a tranny van and pick people up on route to match . My first away match was at burnley one boxing day . Flagged a van down on accy road and on way back just jumped in first van . Good days .

jackmetickler wrote:
well if you muppets could behave yourselves they wouldnt have to...

mind you I do miss having a larf at the su su su icide squad....
maybe if we played the game in the evening they would all be in bed.

Lol yeah in bed with there members of there family more like haha

phil kernot wrote:

jackmetickler wrote: well if you muppets could behave yourselves they wouldnt have to... mind you I do miss having a larf at the su su su icide squad.... maybe if we played the game in the evening they would all be in bed.

Lol yeah in bed with there members of there family more like haha

Am I being petty to point out that its really very basic - their and there? Insulted by a imbicile, other than Chico, jackie1 et al!!

phil kernot wrote:

jackmetickler wrote:
well if you muppets could behave yourselves they wouldnt have to...

mind you I do miss having a larf at the su su su icide squad....
maybe if we played the game in the evening they would all be in bed.

Lol yeah in bed with there members of there family more like haha

Who the hell taught you two to connect to the internet. Imbeciles.

Every time we play Burnley at Ewood Park there is tens of thousands of pounds worth of damage done to the Darwen end by the so called fans, the Rovers always try to play this down so as not to inflame the situation, but none the less it happens every time we play them. I think that it is time that we only gave them several hundred tickets because the money made from these "fans" just goes to repair the damage.

Hull City fans are facing the same thing for their game at Huddersfield and have launched legal bids to stop this draconian farce happening. West Yorkshire Police now-fearful of legal action-are now sitting down with Hull fans to find a compromise. Burnley fans should have nipped this in the bud early and boycotted the game or Burnley FC refuse to accept an allocation. Play the police and clubs at their own game.

Away games were great in the 80s and 90s and can relate to the earlier commenter about "Tranny vans" and 15-20 of you getting in them and driving over the country watching your team and stopping at pubs along the way-we managed 31 lads in a Mitchells van to Charlton in 1983 lol. and turning up and paying at the turnstiles. The experience at games now is so sanitised. I miss the Blackburn Bolton Burnley Preston Blackpool rivalries of the 70s and 80s.

This is for our protection guys. The boys in blue are doing their best in these tory cutbacks to protect those who are likely to be attacked by violent thugs, hence stopping the mob from Boll-Ewood from attacking us. I say thanks to our heroes in blue.

The arrangements are a overkill and it is definitely a case of the minority spoiling it for the rest.
I went to Tu rd Moor for some Dingle baiting and the rovers fans were treated like cattle and herded about with little regard for their welfare or needs. The coaches for one were buses with no toilets and very little room, especially when you ended up being on them for 2 plus hours each way.

At least the Darwen End is spacious and has a suitable number of toilets for the numbers. At Tu red Moor it was a crush you couldn't move in the concourse area and the police moved you to your seats this time without alcohol.
I think fans should be treated better and shown some dignity even if they do have six fingers. I think many would opt for the coaches if they were given proper time slots and not kept hanging about. Surely this wouldn't be too difficult? But you should also have a choice to make your own way too.

Just like airport security, the policing of big football matches is to get you to accept a police state.

Does football pay the Police bill?

midas wrote:
Disappointed at the 1350 who have bought the tickets. Not only whould we be supporting our friends and the boycott of Ewood (it is still going on isn't it?) but by accepting these arrangements its just allowing them to continue the same sort of regime for the foreseeable future.
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Next season I want to be able to make my way to blackburn in my own car not on a coach.

am i being petty but "not only WHOULD"????

come on midas - you must know your ancient myths, parables and metaphors - there is one about removing a speck from your neighbour's eye when you have a plank in your own.

Blame Alex Wood, another killjoy at BFC, ex copper. Sooner he goes the better

whats the fuss we had to pay £36.50 (2012 prices) to travel to turd moor on 1970 double decker buses which set off 1 hour 15 mins late from gec( no refreshment or toilet provided) and then took 45 mins to travel 6 mile, herded into a 1960 wooden seat stand with unsuitable toilets and refreshments at least you will be spoilt in a state of the art stand with toilets and refreshments available, no crushing in concourse areas so get a grip and stop moaning, boycot my **** your just sick of paying £38.50 to see us beating you, must be painful to watch but at least its a nice stadium, even the jimmy mullen stand is a poor mans Jack Walker stand. COYB, 34 years.

This method of policing is disgusting and totally unnecessary!

I have a working knowledge and experience of policing operations at football matches, and having worked at much bigger derbies and football matches, and there really is no need for this.

How come Lancashire Constabulary deem that this is needed when neighbouring forces such as GMP don't impose such measures in the much bigger Manchester derby or the Man Utd v Liverpool game?

£6.50 doesn't sound bad for return travel considering the price of fuel and parking. As for 'pauline' moaning about being there 'hours' before kick off, the article says that the coaches leave at 9.45 and kick off is 12 noon, minus an hour for travel and to get in the ground that leaves just over an hour!
All the moaners can blame the idiot minority of football 'fans' from both Burnley and Blackburn who are intent on causing/looking for trouble at any opportunity for the police response. I'm sure the police don't want to go through all this aggro but the potential for disorder forces their hand.

Ha ha listen to you lot,lets face it Burnley will more than likely beat rovers and if your true fan you would behave the lot of ya

mys wrote:
Ha ha listen to you lot,lets face it Burnley will more than likely beat rovers and if your true fan you would behave the lot of ya

What a CUPID STUNT........

drunken donut wrote:
Every time we play Burnley at Ewood Park there is tens of thousands of pounds worth of damage done to the Darwen end by the so called fans, the Rovers always try to play this down so as not to inflame the situation, but none the less it happens every time we play them. I think that it is time that we only gave them several hundred tickets because the money made from these "fans" just goes to repair the damage.

There's not been a great deal made of the damage Rovers fans have caused at the Burnley ground - which before anyone throws out, includes trying to set fire to seats in an older stand.

The VAST majority of fans from BOTH sides are law abiding, decent people, who are put off by the Draconian measures enforced by the Police. After the game at Burnley, I genuinely felt sorry for Rover's fans being treated like cattle and herded onto coaches via temporary fencing. It's a very small minority from BOTH sides who don't understand where banter ends and idiocy begins.

Regardless of any particular club loyalty, it's time, as collective FOOTBALL fans to try and work together to make this derby game back to what it should be - something for BOTH sets of fans to look forward to in good spirits, rather than worrying we're being dragged into a war zone.

Blaming one particular set of fans instead, or above, another is not going to resolve the issues. Until the GOOD fans act as a collective, either in discussions with club and Police via fan's groups, or even a boycott if needs, the difficulties will never be solved.

Started watching the Rovers in 1943. Watched several Burnley Derbies back in the old days. We would stand, not sit, shoulder to shoulder. No segregation. A bit of friendly banter and a good handshake and "well played" at the end.
Never saw any aggro. We were all just working lads supporting our team, and giving credit where credit was due, even if it was Jimmy McIlroy.
Too many ignorant trouble makers these days. They are the reason the Police have to go overboard on security.

kenbro wrote:
Started watching the Rovers in 1943. Watched several Burnley Derbies back in the old days. We would stand, not sit, shoulder to shoulder. No segregation. A bit of friendly banter and a good handshake and "well played" at the end.
Never saw any aggro. We were all just working lads supporting our team, and giving credit where credit was due, even if it was Jimmy McIlroy.
Too many ignorant trouble makers these days. They are the reason the Police have to go overboard on security.

i know what you mean kenbro - but the worst trouble i have seen was in that game in 77 or 78 at t'turf when rovers fans were told to go in that open end after the long side was full and the other game in the late 70s early 80s when stupid dingles got up in the roof in the darwen end and started chucking bits of roof at their own supporters......both of these incidents are over 30 years ago and nearly as close to 1943 as 2013.

hooliganism between the tow clubs, regrettably, goes back to the turn of the last century - - not the current century.

i hate the current view that the imbeciles cannot be trusted - personally i don't give a monkey's if idiots from both towns (cos its towns not clubs) got together and knocked seven bells out of each other in a pre-arranged place as long as innocent bystanders and property and cars are not damaged......it would solve the whole problem.

£38.50 (ticket and coach) to watch 22 men kick a bag of wind about for 90 minutes, not to mention refreshments on top! And they say we're in a recession!

its all cos u 6 fingers trashed yer own town ! just think how naughty you will be away from tosstown !!!!

recession!?! yet you lot can afford footy matches !!! feed ya kids !!!

Hasslem. I guess that we had a different society back then. Most of the fans had been in the Military. Many of them through the war, others like me did National Service Everybody had a job usually in a mill or Engineering factory and they had a good respect for the law.
Today is totally different. How many of the troublemakers even have a job ? Respect for the Police is non existent in some areas and too much alcohol does not help the situation.
The good old days, in many respects, have long gone and will never return.
As for the hooligan element fighting it out among themselves, unfortunately they would gang up on you and me if they knew that we supported the team opposing theirs.
How has it changed ? In my day you could walk through any part of Blackburn at night, and I have, without any problems. You can't do that now.

the last time i went to this derby at ewood park,i was living on bolton road,about 1.5 miles from brfc,but as i am a burnley fan i had to travel to burnley then get the coach to ewood park then after the game i was not even allowed to walk the 1.5 miles back down bolton road to where i lived near the infirmary pub.So an ordinary day which should have been only 3 hrs turned into 8 hrs and the price was trebled,no sense in it at all.TOTALY WRONG.

What the hell does she no about the rivalry, get back under your stone woman if fans travel by there selfs watch the mass brawls

Shut up moaning we had same restrictions in place n it worked fine its for your own safety

Or are you moaning cause we have allocated you to many tickets n DLA won't cover it for you muppets!!!!!

No one from any other club no what this rivalry is like

Facts why it's gone like this is cause you emmer dale cast
Like to get in a taxi n get lost in it
Then also like to go to your own town n smash it to bits,
Not rocket science really is it

N kids running on pitch at turf moor last time n you wonder why

Thick as pig

why moan burnley fans dont know how to go to a match and just support there team without fighting its time they grew up and acted like football fans and not terriost if that was the case they could make there own way there you dont see the rest of the derbys treated like this do you and it costing us £46 plus food and drink to go millwall so stop crying you dingles

Suck it up dingles - we had to pay about £3 less and we didn't even have seats in your shoddy excuse of a stadium!! You'll have seats - UNRESTRICTED views and a concourse where you can't be trampled to death in! I think £38 is actually quite reasonable as none of you have transportation anyways!!!

hasslem hasslem wrote:

midas wrote: Disappointed at the 1350 who have bought the tickets. Not only whould we be supporting our friends and the boycott of Ewood (it is still going on isn't it?) but by accepting these arrangements its just allowing them to continue the same sort of regime for the foreseeable future. . Next season I want to be able to make my way to blackburn in my own car not on a coach.

am i being petty but "not only WHOULD"???? come on midas - you must know your ancient myths, parables and metaphors - there is one about removing a speck from your neighbour's eye when you have a plank in your own.

LOL hoisted by my own petard! However its obviously a typo rather than gramatic, a bit like (for example) writing "tow" instead of "two" :-)

alan7554 wrote:
the last time i went to this derby at ewood park,i was living on bolton road,about 1.5 miles from brfc,but as i am a burnley fan i had to travel to burnley then get the coach to ewood park then after the game i was not even allowed to walk the 1.5 miles back down bolton road to where i lived near the infirmary pub.So an ordinary day which should have been only 3 hrs turned into 8 hrs and the price was trebled,no sense in it at all.TOTALY WRONG.

alan i remember reading about u having to travel over to burnley just to come back over for the match, in my view you shouldn't have to go through all that just to watch your team play at ewood park

Now if l was a betting man,, at the moment the Rovers are in such Dissaray my money would be on a bloody big fat boring draw,,,because them tossers down the road are no better than we are,,two poor managers with very poor teams who flatter to decieve,,

Reality50 wrote:
Hull City fans are facing the same thing for their game at Huddersfield and have launched legal bids to stop this draconian farce happening. West Yorkshire Police now-fearful of legal action-are now sitting down with Hull fans to find a compromise. Burnley fans should have nipped this in the bud early and boycotted the game or Burnley FC refuse to accept an allocation. Play the police and clubs at their own game.

Yeah boycott the game that's brilliant support for your club you muppet

Jesus wet its fir your own safety,

If something happened youde be all calling the police for not doing it or not enough police on

Use some brains empty head

kenbro wrote:
Hasslem. I guess that we had a different society back then. Most of the fans had been in the Military. Many of them through the war, others like me did National Service Everybody had a job usually in a mill or Engineering factory and they had a good respect for the law.
Today is totally different. How many of the troublemakers even have a job ? Respect for the Police is non existent in some areas and too much alcohol does not help the situation.
The good old days, in many respects, have long gone and will never return.
As for the hooligan element fighting it out among themselves, unfortunately they would gang up on you and me if they knew that we supported the team opposing theirs.
How has it changed ? In my day you could walk through any part of Blackburn at night, and I have, without any problems. You can't do that now.

i am in my late seventies and played in the boots of dennis wescott they were far better days as far as football was concerned but try telling todays generation

Lancs1985 you really are a puppet and a dimwit aren't you? don't you realise that if you accept these draconian measures and fill your allocation and get a full stadium then the police and club will feel justified in these police state restrictions. You clearly aren't the brightest and only by boycotting this game and making BRFC lose money and meaning the police have hundreds of officers standing about doing nothing at the game will the authorities change their ways for future Rovers v Burnley games. Its mugs like you that are the reason football is so expensive because you wag your tail at every price increase. In Germany the Bundesliga is the best attended league in the world because its cheap. Incidentally for the last THREE seasons every single Eredivisie game-In Holland-has had these ticket/coach restrictions. You cannot attend an away game in Holland at the top level without buying a combi ticket-that's the term they use-. If you turn up at an away stadium independently as an away fan you are arrested. Time some of you fools educated yourselves.

As for hooliganism the levels of it now at games are tiny compared to say 1975-1990. That was the real era of terrace problems. Most young lads these days have been priced out of the game. The police are over reacting but as said earlier it is all part of the future police state led by the EU/NWO Common Purpose brigade. Keep voting Labour or Tory and that's what is coming.

Definitely over priced for this game.

As for Security - 99% go to watch the game and enjoy the banter but for a small minority football is the last thing they have in mind.

If people offend ban them for life- why should others suffer for a few. Shudder to think what the Polce costs for this game will be - they should be out there protecting the public from criminals not montiroing football hooligans

Season ticker-holder, Pauline Stott, 66, of Rosehill, is attending the match but said she disagreed with the forced coach travel.

She said: “I will be going with my daughter, son-in-law and a friend.
what a moron family hahah you've got to be a toal moron to pay £38.50 to watch a match where you are pushed into a seat for 2 hours after being threatened etc by the plod and paying way over the odds for the price .I'm glad i dont know these tossers.Anyone who attends this match is a total moron without a doubt.bizarre