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Fears over ‘spare bedroom’ tax in East Lancashire

A LACK of smaller social houses in the Ribble Valley could cause problems for tenants, a housing association has warned.

Bosses at Ribble Valley Homes say there are not enough one and two-bedroomed properties for the number of people who may be forced to move because of the new bedroom tax.

The group’s housing manager Stephen Fell said the issue would come when lots of people needed to move at the same time.

He said: “Not having enough smaller properties is an issue that we have. We also don’t have a high turnover, which means any tenant needing to move would have a long wait.

“It is one of the biggest problems everywhere, but specifically in the Ribble Valley where the majority of houses have three bedrooms.

“Those properties were adequate initially, but when people move out, they have extra bedrooms.”

Across Lancashire, analysis of Department of Work and Pensions data by the National Housing Federation estimates that 14,631 households will have their housing benefit reduced by an estimated £7.5m a year because of bedroom tax.

The government is to introduce the bedroom tax as part of its controversial changes to the benefits system.

From next April, workingage people will have their housing benefit cut if the government considers them to have a ‘spare’ bedroom in their housing association, or council home.They are set to lose 14per cent of the benefit for one ‘spare’ bedroom, and 25per cent for two, or more, ‘spare’ bedrooms.

The government’s criteria allows one bedroom for each person or couple in a household, but children under 16 of the same gender are expected to share, and children under 10 are expected to share, regardless of gender.

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5:29pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Wishingwell says...

Why should the State provide subsidised capital so that some people can enjoy larger houses than the minimum needed. If you want a bigger home, buy your own!
I am not surprised our economy is on its arse, Saving doesn't pay, Home ownership doesn't pay and neither does honesty.
Why should the State provide subsidised capital so that some people can enjoy larger houses than the minimum needed. If you want a bigger home, buy your own! I am not surprised our economy is on its arse, Saving doesn't pay, Home ownership doesn't pay and neither does honesty. Wishingwell
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7:45pm Fri 11 Jan 13

2 for 5p says...

Wishingwell wrote:
Why should the State provide subsidised capital so that some people can enjoy larger houses than the minimum needed. If you want a bigger home, buy your own!
I am not surprised our economy is on its arse, Saving doesn't pay, Home ownership doesn't pay and neither does honesty.
spot on
[quote][p][bold]Wishingwell[/bold] wrote: Why should the State provide subsidised capital so that some people can enjoy larger houses than the minimum needed. If you want a bigger home, buy your own! I am not surprised our economy is on its arse, Saving doesn't pay, Home ownership doesn't pay and neither does honesty.[/p][/quote]spot on 2 for 5p
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8:29pm Fri 11 Jan 13

mavrick says...

2 for 5p wrote:
Wishingwell wrote:
Why should the State provide subsidised capital so that some people can enjoy larger houses than the minimum needed. If you want a bigger home, buy your own!
I am not surprised our economy is on its arse, Saving doesn't pay, Home ownership doesn't pay and neither does honesty.
spot on
Perhaps if you read the article it might sink in there is a dire shortage ofsmaller housing. What is so wrong with people having a spare bedroom? do your spiteful selfish comments apply to people who have been made redundant? you seem to think that people in council or social housing are all skivers. Why don't you vent your spleen at the people who caused this mess and ask why should the tax payer keep subsidising the rich? I could go on but I doubt if you have the capability of understanding the real issue, If read the contradiction in your statement you may see what I mean.
[quote][p][bold]2 for 5p[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wishingwell[/bold] wrote: Why should the State provide subsidised capital so that some people can enjoy larger houses than the minimum needed. If you want a bigger home, buy your own! I am not surprised our economy is on its arse, Saving doesn't pay, Home ownership doesn't pay and neither does honesty.[/p][/quote]spot on[/p][/quote]Perhaps if you read the article it might sink in there is a dire shortage ofsmaller housing. What is so wrong with people having a spare bedroom? do your spiteful selfish comments apply to people who have been made redundant? you seem to think that people in council or social housing are all skivers. Why don't you vent your spleen at the people who caused this mess and ask why should the tax payer keep subsidising the rich? I could go on but I doubt if you have the capability of understanding the real issue, If read the contradiction in your statement you may see what I mean. mavrick
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9:03pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Mothernature says...

What is it with you people turning on those that are less fortunate than you. They didn't cause the economic crisis. Bankers, governments and greedy employers not paying decent wages did. The majority of people claiming Housing Benefit are low paid workers in unsecure jobs who pay their share of tax & NI too. As for this idea that the properties are subsidised. By whom are they subsided. The taxpayers, government or banks. Many of these homes were built after WWII. Have they not been paid for several times over by previous/present tenants? Maybe you ought to compare housing rental figures between private rented & social rented properties. In 2010/11 there were 3.8 million households in the social rented sector and 3.6 million in the private rented sector. Generally, private rents in this neck of the woods tend to be dearer by about £30 for a 2 bedroomed terraced property, so in effect the private sector is gaining a lot more from HB than the social rented sector. Biggest mistake ever was to allow Buy to Let. I don't even know why I've bothered explaining anything to you folks who look down on those with very little, you obviously believe all the drivel spun out by the media and nothing will change your minds (until you find yourself in the same position)
What is it with you people turning on those that are less fortunate than you. They didn't cause the economic crisis. Bankers, governments and greedy employers not paying decent wages did. The majority of people claiming Housing Benefit are low paid workers in unsecure jobs who pay their share of tax & NI too. As for this idea that the properties are subsidised. By whom are they subsided. The taxpayers, government or banks. Many of these homes were built after WWII. Have they not been paid for several times over by previous/present tenants? Maybe you ought to compare housing rental figures between private rented & social rented properties. In 2010/11 there were 3.8 million households in the social rented sector and 3.6 million in the private rented sector. Generally, private rents in this neck of the woods tend to be dearer by about £30 for a 2 bedroomed terraced property, so in effect the private sector is gaining a lot more from HB than the social rented sector. Biggest mistake ever was to allow Buy to Let. I don't even know why I've bothered explaining anything to you folks who look down on those with very little, you obviously believe all the drivel spun out by the media and nothing will change your minds (until you find yourself in the same position) Mothernature
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12:11am Sat 12 Jan 13

2 for 5p says...

Solution :
If you don't want to pay the tax let your too out to a lodger. There simples..
Solution : If you don't want to pay the tax let your too out to a lodger. There simples.. 2 for 5p
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2:57am Sat 12 Jan 13

Common_Sense1 says...

Define bedroom. I have a one bedroom house that just happens to have 4 studies! It's rediciluos trying to put a tax on bedrooms. People will just claim they live in a one or two bedroom house that has 3 dining rooms and 2 living rooms :-)
Define bedroom. I have a one bedroom house that just happens to have 4 studies! It's rediciluos trying to put a tax on bedrooms. People will just claim they live in a one or two bedroom house that has 3 dining rooms and 2 living rooms :-) Common_Sense1
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7:05am Sat 12 Jan 13

2 for 5p says...

Common_Sense1 wrote:
Define bedroom. I have a one bedroom house that just happens to have 4 studies! It's rediciluos trying to put a tax on bedrooms. People will just claim they live in a one or two bedroom house that has 3 dining rooms and 2 living rooms :-)
Ever heard of fraud, that is what that would be.
[quote][p][bold]Common_Sense1[/bold] wrote: Define bedroom. I have a one bedroom house that just happens to have 4 studies! It's rediciluos trying to put a tax on bedrooms. People will just claim they live in a one or two bedroom house that has 3 dining rooms and 2 living rooms :-)[/p][/quote]Ever heard of fraud, that is what that would be. 2 for 5p
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10:09am Sat 12 Jan 13

eastlancslad says...

'The group’s housing manager Stephen Fell said the issue would come when lots of people needed to move at the same time.'
Does anyone know why lots of people would 'need' to move all at the same time?
'The group’s housing manager Stephen Fell said the issue would come when lots of people needed to move at the same time.' Does anyone know why lots of people would 'need' to move all at the same time? eastlancslad
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10:34am Sat 12 Jan 13

devila says...

It's a joke. My mum is disabled yet has worked all her life. She lives in a two bed house as my sister used to live with her. She has access to a toilet downstairs which is ideal as she can only do stairs twice a day. The council want her to move, despite the fact both me and my sister take it in turns to stay over in the spare room to help her. The move would stress her and make her illness worse. It's a joke.
It's a joke. My mum is disabled yet has worked all her life. She lives in a two bed house as my sister used to live with her. She has access to a toilet downstairs which is ideal as she can only do stairs twice a day. The council want her to move, despite the fact both me and my sister take it in turns to stay over in the spare room to help her. The move would stress her and make her illness worse. It's a joke. devila
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9:11pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Info-warrior says...

Mothernature wrote:
What is it with you people turning on those that are less fortunate than you. They didn't cause the economic crisis. Bankers, governments and greedy employers not paying decent wages did. The majority of people claiming Housing Benefit are low paid workers in unsecure jobs who pay their share of tax & NI too. As for this idea that the properties are subsidised. By whom are they subsided. The taxpayers, government or banks. Many of these homes were built after WWII. Have they not been paid for several times over by previous/present tenants? Maybe you ought to compare housing rental figures between private rented & social rented properties. In 2010/11 there were 3.8 million households in the social rented sector and 3.6 million in the private rented sector. Generally, private rents in this neck of the woods tend to be dearer by about £30 for a 2 bedroomed terraced property, so in effect the private sector is gaining a lot more from HB than the social rented sector. Biggest mistake ever was to allow Buy to Let. I don't even know why I've bothered explaining anything to you folks who look down on those with very little, you obviously believe all the drivel spun out by the media and nothing will change your minds (until you find yourself in the same position)
These are the sheeple who belittle the unfortunate in our crumbling society and think it gets them in the 10% by doing so...their pathetic and when their pensions have been raped by the banksters and all the NI payments evaporate in the summer stock market crash they won't be belittling anyone then. Oh I didn't mention the next crash.? HARRY DENT: The US Has Gone Over The 'Demographic Cliff' And Markets Will Crash This Summer
Harry Dent is not one to shy away from predictions. Just take a quick look at some of the man's bibliography: he wrote The Great Boom Ahead in 1993 and followed it up with The Great Jobs Ahead in 1995. In 2009, he authored The Great Depression Ahead, and in 2011, The Great Crash Ahead.
Now, Dent, the economic forecaster perhaps best known for the use of demographics in his analysis, is predicting a big market crash this summer.

Can anyone remember the boom and bust years..? Hands up from those who benefitted from it..nobody...I don't know anyone up north who did or even remembers them a few not even knowing what they were.

So thats four years of boom and bust that none of us up north can remember never mind benefitted from for a guarenteed 12yrs of austerity no growth in the economy and a global depression and now a bedroom tax.

In my northern stupidity I can't work it out how thats a fair deal from those who caused the mess.

Lets just hope that the ones in the dark find the light soon and we can become as one mass and run the banksters and their helpers out of town and cast them to the history books forever. Makes sense to get rid of them the 10% who want to get rid of the 90%.

If the agenda 21 programme goes to plan times running out for us the 90%. Oh I didn't mention Agenda 21..? Agenda 21 is explained very well by Infowars. Including implications it will have on humanity. Opinions within the video come in some cases from those that were in on the negotiations. Truly an interesting watch find it on line free its called:

Agenda 21 For Dummies: New World Order Depopulation Exposed
Infowars.com

Authoritarianism rules the day
But not for those who don't obey..

Stay Free. Speak Free.and most of all Ride Free.
[quote][p][bold]Mothernature[/bold] wrote: What is it with you people turning on those that are less fortunate than you. They didn't cause the economic crisis. Bankers, governments and greedy employers not paying decent wages did. The majority of people claiming Housing Benefit are low paid workers in unsecure jobs who pay their share of tax & NI too. As for this idea that the properties are subsidised. By whom are they subsided. The taxpayers, government or banks. Many of these homes were built after WWII. Have they not been paid for several times over by previous/present tenants? Maybe you ought to compare housing rental figures between private rented & social rented properties. In 2010/11 there were 3.8 million households in the social rented sector and 3.6 million in the private rented sector. Generally, private rents in this neck of the woods tend to be dearer by about £30 for a 2 bedroomed terraced property, so in effect the private sector is gaining a lot more from HB than the social rented sector. Biggest mistake ever was to allow Buy to Let. I don't even know why I've bothered explaining anything to you folks who look down on those with very little, you obviously believe all the drivel spun out by the media and nothing will change your minds (until you find yourself in the same position)[/p][/quote]These are the sheeple who belittle the unfortunate in our crumbling society and think it gets them in the 10% by doing so...their pathetic and when their pensions have been raped by the banksters and all the NI payments evaporate in the summer stock market crash they won't be belittling anyone then. Oh I didn't mention the next crash.? HARRY DENT: The US Has Gone Over The 'Demographic Cliff' And Markets Will Crash This Summer Harry Dent is not one to shy away from predictions. Just take a quick look at some of the man's bibliography: he wrote The Great Boom Ahead in 1993 and followed it up with The Great Jobs Ahead in 1995. In 2009, he authored The Great Depression Ahead, and in 2011, The Great Crash Ahead. Now, Dent, the economic forecaster perhaps best known for the use of demographics in his analysis, is predicting a big market crash this summer. Can anyone remember the boom and bust years..? Hands up from those who benefitted from it..nobody...I don't know anyone up north who did or even remembers them a few not even knowing what they were. So thats four years of boom and bust that none of us up north can remember never mind benefitted from for a guarenteed 12yrs of austerity no growth in the economy and a global depression and now a bedroom tax. In my northern stupidity I can't work it out how thats a fair deal from those who caused the mess. Lets just hope that the ones in the dark find the light soon and we can become as one mass and run the banksters and their helpers out of town and cast them to the history books forever. Makes sense to get rid of them the 10% who want to get rid of the 90%. If the agenda 21 programme goes to plan times running out for us the 90%. Oh I didn't mention Agenda 21..? Agenda 21 is explained very well by Infowars. Including implications it will have on humanity. Opinions within the video come in some cases from those that were in on the negotiations. Truly an interesting watch find it on line free its called: Agenda 21 For Dummies: New World Order Depopulation Exposed Infowars.com Authoritarianism rules the day But not for those who don't obey.. Stay Free. Speak Free.and most of all Ride Free. Info-warrior
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5:08am Sun 13 Jan 13

hunter3062 says...

mavrick wrote:
2 for 5p wrote:
Wishingwell wrote:
Why should the State provide subsidised capital so that some people can enjoy larger houses than the minimum needed. If you want a bigger home, buy your own!
I am not surprised our economy is on its arse, Saving doesn't pay, Home ownership doesn't pay and neither does honesty.
spot on
Perhaps if you read the article it might sink in there is a dire shortage ofsmaller housing. What is so wrong with people having a spare bedroom? do your spiteful selfish comments apply to people who have been made redundant? you seem to think that people in council or social housing are all skivers. Why don't you vent your spleen at the people who caused this mess and ask why should the tax payer keep subsidising the rich? I could go on but I doubt if you have the capability of understanding the real issue, If read the contradiction in your statement you may see what I mean.
so all the 2 bed terraced in the east lancs area are empty and boarded up because???????
[quote][p][bold]mavrick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]2 for 5p[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wishingwell[/bold] wrote: Why should the State provide subsidised capital so that some people can enjoy larger houses than the minimum needed. If you want a bigger home, buy your own! I am not surprised our economy is on its arse, Saving doesn't pay, Home ownership doesn't pay and neither does honesty.[/p][/quote]spot on[/p][/quote]Perhaps if you read the article it might sink in there is a dire shortage ofsmaller housing. What is so wrong with people having a spare bedroom? do your spiteful selfish comments apply to people who have been made redundant? you seem to think that people in council or social housing are all skivers. Why don't you vent your spleen at the people who caused this mess and ask why should the tax payer keep subsidising the rich? I could go on but I doubt if you have the capability of understanding the real issue, If read the contradiction in your statement you may see what I mean.[/p][/quote]so all the 2 bed terraced in the east lancs area are empty and boarded up because??????? hunter3062
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10:19am Sun 13 Jan 13

Noiticer says...

And what about state subsidies to farmers and other landowners in big houses and mansions who have large estates, state subsidies to industry, subsidies to landowners with wind turbines, tax breaks for millionaires etc. etc. The poor and disadvantage are an easy target by a government of out of touch, uncaring and ignorant of the lives of ordinary people whom they would rather keep well away from.
And what about state subsidies to farmers and other landowners in big houses and mansions who have large estates, state subsidies to industry, subsidies to landowners with wind turbines, tax breaks for millionaires etc. etc. The poor and disadvantage are an easy target by a government of out of touch, uncaring and ignorant of the lives of ordinary people whom they would rather keep well away from. Noiticer
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4:49pm Sun 13 Jan 13

Wishingwell says...

Noiticer wrote:
And what about state subsidies to farmers and other landowners in big houses and mansions who have large estates, state subsidies to industry, subsidies to landowners with wind turbines, tax breaks for millionaires etc. etc. The poor and disadvantage are an easy target by a government of out of touch, uncaring and ignorant of the lives of ordinary people whom they would rather keep well away from.
I agree, all these subsidies are just social and economic engineering used to control the ordinary citizen. They should all be scrapped so that we can enjoy a free market. I have no problem with help being given to the vulnerable from taxation that is a separate issue.
[quote][p][bold]Noiticer[/bold] wrote: And what about state subsidies to farmers and other landowners in big houses and mansions who have large estates, state subsidies to industry, subsidies to landowners with wind turbines, tax breaks for millionaires etc. etc. The poor and disadvantage are an easy target by a government of out of touch, uncaring and ignorant of the lives of ordinary people whom they would rather keep well away from.[/p][/quote]I agree, all these subsidies are just social and economic engineering used to control the ordinary citizen. They should all be scrapped so that we can enjoy a free market. I have no problem with help being given to the vulnerable from taxation that is a separate issue. Wishingwell
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5:09pm Sun 13 Jan 13

Noiticer says...

We have had a free market economics for the past two decades to a greater degree and whilst some benefits have accrued there have been many downsides as those with power, wealth and influence have gained enormously whilst the rest of us have suffered the results of excessive greed by bankers, utility companies etc. Note in the argument about repatriating powers from the EU or scrapping certain legislation it is mainly those relating to workers' rights and employment protection as those on the right want to see the power of the rich and those at the top increase at the expense of the ordinary citizen.
We have had a free market economics for the past two decades to a greater degree and whilst some benefits have accrued there have been many downsides as those with power, wealth and influence have gained enormously whilst the rest of us have suffered the results of excessive greed by bankers, utility companies etc. Note in the argument about repatriating powers from the EU or scrapping certain legislation it is mainly those relating to workers' rights and employment protection as those on the right want to see the power of the rich and those at the top increase at the expense of the ordinary citizen. Noiticer
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5:10pm Sun 13 Jan 13

Rumpole says...

Avoid 'Bedroom Tax' by turning your spare bedroom into a prayer room, could be exempt from council tax too!
Avoid 'Bedroom Tax' by turning your spare bedroom into a prayer room, could be exempt from council tax too! Rumpole
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5:22pm Wed 16 Jan 13

lmhjones says...

dear wishingwell the tory pr machine in action. i am one of thousands of carers who look after an adult who is vulnerable and disabled. the HA house has been adapted for the needs of the disabled person so they may remain in the community rather than the outrageous expense of a "care home" the room which has now been decided is a spare room by faceless multimillionaires in westminster has in fact been developed following the advice of amongst others occupational therapists. apparently moving to a smaller house is not feasable because of the costs of reinstating the current house and adapting a new one. oh by the way wishingwell some of us did not choose to give up owning our own homes especially when issues of disablilty were thrown into the mix. i assume that you have never needed the state for anything (including education) what is your next suggestion? eugenics?
dear wishingwell the tory pr machine in action. i am one of thousands of carers who look after an adult who is vulnerable and disabled. the HA house has been adapted for the needs of the disabled person so they may remain in the community rather than the outrageous expense of a "care home" the room which has now been decided is a spare room by faceless multimillionaires in westminster has in fact been developed following the advice of amongst others occupational therapists. apparently moving to a smaller house is not feasable because of the costs of reinstating the current house and adapting a new one. oh by the way wishingwell some of us did not choose to give up owning our own homes especially when issues of disablilty were thrown into the mix. i assume that you have never needed the state for anything (including education) what is your next suggestion? eugenics? lmhjones
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