Row over moving Blackburn Queen Victoria statue

The statue of Queen Victoria

The statue of Queen Victoria

First published in News

A BITTER row over moving the 107-year-old statue of Queen Victoria on the Boulevard threatened to delay Blackburn’s ambitious £28million Cathedral Quarter development.

Tory spokesman Alan Cottam objected to the proposal to relocate the landmark when the borough’s planning committee debated the project.

With the backing of Liberal Democrat Paul Browne, he called for the proposal to move the statue to be dropped from the scheme.

The plans to provide a complex including a hotel, the first clergy court and cloister garden for a major Church building for 570 years, restaurants shops, public square and bus interchange next to the railways station were approved.

But they were only agreed after borough regeneration boss Dave Harling promised to ensure that the monument would not be dumped in a storeroom but restored and given a prominent place in the scheme complete with the stone balustrade originally planned for removal.

The promise, which led the Victorian Society to withdraw its objection to the plans, has failed to convince the Blackburn, Darwen and Rural Civic Voice conservation group.

Its secretary Simon Hugill said: “Our worry is that the statue of Queen Victoria will be put somewhere that does not match her current dominant position in the town centre. “We will be watching very closely to ensure that she is relocated somewhere prominent that is suitable to her dignity and the contribution the Victorians made to Blackburn.”

Coun Cottam said: “Why do we have to move the statue and take down the balustrading? I don’t want to see her disappear from this prominent position and be lost in the development.”

Coun Browne questioned both moving the statue and cutting down historic trees to make way for new buildings.

Coun Harling said: “We have agreed to keep the balustrading and will put the statue in a prominent position. I promise you she will not be left in some council storeroom. She will be restored and cleaned. As a result the Victorian Society have withdrawn their objection.”

The project, due for completion in 2015, is a key part of the transformation of the town centre after the construction of The Mall shopping centre and plans for a £5million new bus station in Ainsworth Street.

Previously a statue of Prime Minister William Gladstone was moved from the Boulevard.

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9:32am Sat 22 Dec 12

odappip says...

i think a good site for the victoria statue would be on the roundabout at eanam.
i think a good site for the victoria statue would be on the roundabout at eanam. odappip
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9:49am Sat 22 Dec 12

fabinribblevalley says...

In this time of cut's how on earth can these dumbo's in Blackburn talk about spending millions if not a billion pounds on building a new center. We have no money,period. Unless of course these brain dead councillors are going to forgo their pensions to pay for it
In this time of cut's how on earth can these dumbo's in Blackburn talk about spending millions if not a billion pounds on building a new center. We have no money,period. Unless of course these brain dead councillors are going to forgo their pensions to pay for it fabinribblevalley
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1:09pm Sat 22 Dec 12

cathedral citi says...

I recall, looking in awe at this statue of victoria, when using the bus station in my schooldays. With the cathedral as a dackdrop, it is quite a wonderful sight. To lose it in the upcoming redevelopment would be a travesty.

If it needs to be removed from it's present site, then I'd suggest it be placed in the middle of the new proposed cathedral square.

It is a an imposing sculpture, and of a quality rarely seen in other towns and cities.
I recall, looking in awe at this statue of victoria, when using the bus station in my schooldays. With the cathedral as a dackdrop, it is quite a wonderful sight. To lose it in the upcoming redevelopment would be a travesty. If it needs to be removed from it's present site, then I'd suggest it be placed in the middle of the new proposed cathedral square. It is a an imposing sculpture, and of a quality rarely seen in other towns and cities. cathedral citi
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1:46pm Sat 22 Dec 12

vicn1956 says...

Will it go the same way as the listed Royal Infirmary wing?
Will it go the same way as the listed Royal Infirmary wing? vicn1956
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2:51pm Sat 22 Dec 12

M.DANNY says...

Put the Queen Victoria statue outside the Town Hall on the centre of the town centre where she can keep her eyes open on these Local Councillors .
Put the Queen Victoria statue outside the Town Hall on the centre of the town centre where she can keep her eyes open on these Local Councillors . M.DANNY
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3:54pm Sat 22 Dec 12

woolywords says...

odappip wrote:
i think a good site for the victoria statue would be on the roundabout at eanam.
Why not remove Queen Victoria to the street that bears her name? By this I mean, placing her on Barbara Castle Way, facing Eanam, between the lanes of traffic. And by doing so, have a little historic tongue in cheek at the same time.
Consider this..
Facing East, implying that direction which brought much wealth and fortune to the Victorians, both internationally and locally and harks back to when cotton was King, with Blackburn an huge centre for spinning and weaving, at that time.
Also in her view would be Lambeth Street, named after the former rope works of Thomas Hart, products of which were used in many of the mills to transmit power to the looms.
Off to her left is an huge estate of peoples from the former Raj who now enjoy making wealth themselves in the home of the long gone Empire.
Off to her right, over the hill (and out of sight), is the statue of statesman, Gladstone, whom she never liked, preferring instead as she did, Disraeli.
Behind her, Sir Charles Napier and all that he did as the General in charge of suppressing the natives in Sinde province of India, (what is now modern Pakistan). To her right is the closed off end of Regent Street, named after the Prince Regent who ruled before her and which gave rise to the term, Regency Period, which ended during Queen Victoria's reign.
Also she would be facing towards the road from Accrington, keeping an eye out for the troublesome populace that brought such notable events as the Power-loom Riots, Luddites and Chartists.
Of course, it goes without saying that, in such a prominent position, Queen Victoria would be seen by more people in an hour than she does in that dark corner of the Boulevard or being placed in a quiet cloistered square of the Cathedral Quarter.
How nice it would be, to sit waiting for the lights to change and have a bit of the modern road rage rant at the personage who brought progress to the area.
If my commentary does not satisfy all the critera that everyone wants for where to site her statue, then I don't know what will.

Footnote, from my history.
There is an interesting series of remarks from my former History Master in my school report that states, 'Why your Son bothers himself to attend my classes, year after year, defeats me, as he patently has no interest in the subject at all.
C-, at best!' No change there then.
[quote][p][bold]odappip[/bold] wrote: i think a good site for the victoria statue would be on the roundabout at eanam.[/p][/quote]Why not remove Queen Victoria to the street that bears her name? By this I mean, placing her on Barbara Castle Way, facing Eanam, between the lanes of traffic. And by doing so, have a little historic tongue in cheek at the same time. Consider this.. Facing East, implying that direction which brought much wealth and fortune to the Victorians, both internationally and locally and harks back to when cotton was King, with Blackburn an huge centre for spinning and weaving, at that time. Also in her view would be Lambeth Street, named after the former rope works of Thomas Hart, products of which were used in many of the mills to transmit power to the looms. Off to her left is an huge estate of peoples from the former Raj who now enjoy making wealth themselves in the home of the long gone Empire. Off to her right, over the hill (and out of sight), is the statue of statesman, Gladstone, whom she never liked, preferring instead as she did, Disraeli. Behind her, Sir Charles Napier and all that he did as the General in charge of suppressing the natives in Sinde province of India, (what is now modern Pakistan). To her right is the closed off end of Regent Street, named after the Prince Regent who ruled before her and which gave rise to the term, Regency Period, which ended during Queen Victoria's reign. Also she would be facing towards the road from Accrington, keeping an eye out for the troublesome populace that brought such notable events as the Power-loom Riots, Luddites and Chartists. Of course, it goes without saying that, in such a prominent position, Queen Victoria would be seen by more people in an hour than she does in that dark corner of the Boulevard or being placed in a quiet cloistered square of the Cathedral Quarter. How nice it would be, to sit waiting for the lights to change and have a bit of the modern road rage rant at the personage who brought progress to the area. If my commentary does not satisfy all the critera that everyone wants for where to site her statue, then I don't know what will. Footnote, from my history. There is an interesting series of remarks from my former History Master in my school report that states, 'Why your Son bothers himself to attend my classes, year after year, defeats me, as he patently has no interest in the subject at all. C-, at best!' No change there then. woolywords
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5:04pm Sat 22 Dec 12

cathedral citi says...

woolywords wrote:
odappip wrote:
i think a good site for the victoria statue would be on the roundabout at eanam.
Why not remove Queen Victoria to the street that bears her name? By this I mean, placing her on Barbara Castle Way, facing Eanam, between the lanes of traffic. And by doing so, have a little historic tongue in cheek at the same time.
Consider this..
Facing East, implying that direction which brought much wealth and fortune to the Victorians, both internationally and locally and harks back to when cotton was King, with Blackburn an huge centre for spinning and weaving, at that time.
Also in her view would be Lambeth Street, named after the former rope works of Thomas Hart, products of which were used in many of the mills to transmit power to the looms.
Off to her left is an huge estate of peoples from the former Raj who now enjoy making wealth themselves in the home of the long gone Empire.
Off to her right, over the hill (and out of sight), is the statue of statesman, Gladstone, whom she never liked, preferring instead as she did, Disraeli.
Behind her, Sir Charles Napier and all that he did as the General in charge of suppressing the natives in Sinde province of India, (what is now modern Pakistan). To her right is the closed off end of Regent Street, named after the Prince Regent who ruled before her and which gave rise to the term, Regency Period, which ended during Queen Victoria's reign.
Also she would be facing towards the road from Accrington, keeping an eye out for the troublesome populace that brought such notable events as the Power-loom Riots, Luddites and Chartists.
Of course, it goes without saying that, in such a prominent position, Queen Victoria would be seen by more people in an hour than she does in that dark corner of the Boulevard or being placed in a quiet cloistered square of the Cathedral Quarter.
How nice it would be, to sit waiting for the lights to change and have a bit of the modern road rage rant at the personage who brought progress to the area.
If my commentary does not satisfy all the critera that everyone wants for where to site her statue, then I don't know what will.

Footnote, from my history.
There is an interesting series of remarks from my former History Master in my school report that states, 'Why your Son bothers himself to attend my classes, year after year, defeats me, as he patently has no interest in the subject at all.
C-, at best!' No change there then.
Wow! What a thoroughly thought-out and imaginative commentary. Makes a lot of sense, but I doubt as to whether the majority of citizens will care to understand the significance of a strategically placed statue, as you suggest.

Personally, I'd Like to see it moved to the immediate vicinity of the cathedral, solely for the fact that the two are striking, whereas the Barbara castle way is unashamedly modern, thus not befitting.
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]odappip[/bold] wrote: i think a good site for the victoria statue would be on the roundabout at eanam.[/p][/quote]Why not remove Queen Victoria to the street that bears her name? By this I mean, placing her on Barbara Castle Way, facing Eanam, between the lanes of traffic. And by doing so, have a little historic tongue in cheek at the same time. Consider this.. Facing East, implying that direction which brought much wealth and fortune to the Victorians, both internationally and locally and harks back to when cotton was King, with Blackburn an huge centre for spinning and weaving, at that time. Also in her view would be Lambeth Street, named after the former rope works of Thomas Hart, products of which were used in many of the mills to transmit power to the looms. Off to her left is an huge estate of peoples from the former Raj who now enjoy making wealth themselves in the home of the long gone Empire. Off to her right, over the hill (and out of sight), is the statue of statesman, Gladstone, whom she never liked, preferring instead as she did, Disraeli. Behind her, Sir Charles Napier and all that he did as the General in charge of suppressing the natives in Sinde province of India, (what is now modern Pakistan). To her right is the closed off end of Regent Street, named after the Prince Regent who ruled before her and which gave rise to the term, Regency Period, which ended during Queen Victoria's reign. Also she would be facing towards the road from Accrington, keeping an eye out for the troublesome populace that brought such notable events as the Power-loom Riots, Luddites and Chartists. Of course, it goes without saying that, in such a prominent position, Queen Victoria would be seen by more people in an hour than she does in that dark corner of the Boulevard or being placed in a quiet cloistered square of the Cathedral Quarter. How nice it would be, to sit waiting for the lights to change and have a bit of the modern road rage rant at the personage who brought progress to the area. If my commentary does not satisfy all the critera that everyone wants for where to site her statue, then I don't know what will. Footnote, from my history. There is an interesting series of remarks from my former History Master in my school report that states, 'Why your Son bothers himself to attend my classes, year after year, defeats me, as he patently has no interest in the subject at all. C-, at best!' No change there then.[/p][/quote]Wow! What a thoroughly thought-out and imaginative commentary. Makes a lot of sense, but I doubt as to whether the majority of citizens will care to understand the significance of a strategically placed statue, as you suggest. Personally, I'd Like to see it moved to the immediate vicinity of the cathedral, solely for the fact that the two are striking, whereas the Barbara castle way is unashamedly modern, thus not befitting. cathedral citi
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5:37pm Sat 22 Dec 12

ste.g says...

why do Councillors have to keep moving things?????
stop wasting our money
why do Councillors have to keep moving things????? stop wasting our money ste.g
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7:07pm Sat 22 Dec 12

madari says...

Madari the snake charmer says:
Most of the elected self serving counsillors and citizens of blackburn are from the third world with a third world mentality so what does it matter to them where the statue is located, if i had my way i would replace it with a statue of Ghandhi in a town more befitting to Ghandhi than Queen Vic.
Madari the snake charmer says: Most of the elected self serving counsillors and citizens of blackburn are from the third world with a third world mentality so what does it matter to them where the statue is located, if i had my way i would replace it with a statue of Ghandhi in a town more befitting to Ghandhi than Queen Vic. madari
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7:07pm Sat 22 Dec 12

madari says...

Madari the snake charmer says:
Most of the elected self serving counsillors and citizens of blackburn are from the third world with a third world mentality so what does it matter to them where the statue is located, if i had my way i would replace it with a statue of Ghandhi in a town more befitting to Ghandhi than Queen Vic.
Madari the snake charmer says: Most of the elected self serving counsillors and citizens of blackburn are from the third world with a third world mentality so what does it matter to them where the statue is located, if i had my way i would replace it with a statue of Ghandhi in a town more befitting to Ghandhi than Queen Vic. madari
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7:07pm Sat 22 Dec 12

madari says...

Madari the snake charmer says:
Most of the elected self serving counsillors and citizens of blackburn are from the third world with a third world mentality so what does it matter to them where the statue is located, if i had my way i would replace it with a statue of Ghandhi in a town more befitting to Ghandhi than Queen Vic.
Madari the snake charmer says: Most of the elected self serving counsillors and citizens of blackburn are from the third world with a third world mentality so what does it matter to them where the statue is located, if i had my way i would replace it with a statue of Ghandhi in a town more befitting to Ghandhi than Queen Vic. madari
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7:07pm Sat 22 Dec 12

madari says...

Madari the snake charmer says:
Most of the elected self serving counsillors and citizens of blackburn are from the third world with a third world mentality so what does it matter to them where the statue is located, if i had my way i would replace it with a statue of Ghandhi in a town more befitting to Ghandhi than Queen Vic.
Madari the snake charmer says: Most of the elected self serving counsillors and citizens of blackburn are from the third world with a third world mentality so what does it matter to them where the statue is located, if i had my way i would replace it with a statue of Ghandhi in a town more befitting to Ghandhi than Queen Vic. madari
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7:07pm Sat 22 Dec 12

madari says...

Madari the snake charmer says:
Most of the elected self serving counsillors and citizens of blackburn are from the third world with a third world mentality so what does it matter to them where the statue is located, if i had my way i would replace it with a statue of Ghandhi in a town more befitting to Ghandhi than Queen Vic.
Madari the snake charmer says: Most of the elected self serving counsillors and citizens of blackburn are from the third world with a third world mentality so what does it matter to them where the statue is located, if i had my way i would replace it with a statue of Ghandhi in a town more befitting to Ghandhi than Queen Vic. madari
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7:30pm Sat 22 Dec 12

noddy57 says...

Leave things as they are,and stop finding ways of wasting money,generations of people know this location purely because of the statue, its a meeting place landmark,typical money wasting councillors,
Leave things as they are,and stop finding ways of wasting money,generations of people know this location purely because of the statue, its a meeting place landmark,typical money wasting councillors, noddy57
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11:26pm Sat 22 Dec 12

N4you! says...

madari wrote:
Madari the snake charmer says:
Most of the elected self serving counsillors and citizens of blackburn are from the third world with a third world mentality so what does it matter to them where the statue is located, if i had my way i would replace it with a statue of Ghandhi in a town more befitting to Ghandhi than Queen Vic.
There is a huge bronze statue of Queen Victoria in Lahore museum (Pakistan) which is 135 year old.
.....i wonder how many people have seen it when they visit Pakistan.....
[quote][p][bold]madari[/bold] wrote: Madari the snake charmer says: Most of the elected self serving counsillors and citizens of blackburn are from the third world with a third world mentality so what does it matter to them where the statue is located, if i had my way i would replace it with a statue of Ghandhi in a town more befitting to Ghandhi than Queen Vic.[/p][/quote]There is a huge bronze statue of Queen Victoria in Lahore museum (Pakistan) which is 135 year old. .....i wonder how many people have seen it when they visit Pakistan..... N4you!
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6:59am Sun 23 Dec 12

dilligaf60@hotmail.co.uk says...

ste.g wrote:
why do Councillors have to keep moving things?????
stop wasting our money
as the cathedral own the land they can do most anything what they want . By the way the way the plans were drawn up and ratified about 3 years ago , so the statue of victoria,which was NOT the first statue there ,mr hornby was there first who really gives a monkeys cuss?
[quote][p][bold]ste.g[/bold] wrote: why do Councillors have to keep moving things????? stop wasting our money[/p][/quote]as the cathedral own the land they can do most anything what they want . By the way the way the plans were drawn up and ratified about 3 years ago , so the statue of victoria,which was NOT the first statue there ,mr hornby was there first who really gives a monkeys cuss? dilligaf60@hotmail.co.uk
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6:59am Sun 23 Dec 12

dilligaf60@hotmail.co.uk says...

ste.g wrote:
why do Councillors have to keep moving things?????
stop wasting our money
as the cathedral own the land they can do most anything what they want . By the way the way the plans were drawn up and ratified about 3 years ago , so the statue of victoria,which was NOT the first statue there ,mr hornby was there first who really gives a monkeys cuss?
[quote][p][bold]ste.g[/bold] wrote: why do Councillors have to keep moving things????? stop wasting our money[/p][/quote]as the cathedral own the land they can do most anything what they want . By the way the way the plans were drawn up and ratified about 3 years ago , so the statue of victoria,which was NOT the first statue there ,mr hornby was there first who really gives a monkeys cuss? dilligaf60@hotmail.co.uk
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7:43pm Sun 23 Dec 12

s_smith says...

Why is it that people seem to think this is a council-run scheme? It isn't - its a Church of England scheme. Let it be moved to where it needs to be moved... it is hardly in a prominent position where it is - hidden from visitors by bus shelters and parked buses, unless you know its there.

Move her over to Darwen Street.
Why is it that people seem to think this is a council-run scheme? It isn't - its a Church of England scheme. Let it be moved to where it needs to be moved... it is hardly in a prominent position where it is - hidden from visitors by bus shelters and parked buses, unless you know its there. Move her over to Darwen Street. s_smith
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8:39pm Sun 23 Dec 12

sean_brfc says...

I agree with cathedral citi, she would be most imposing in the middle of the new square.

On another matter, what a great job the council have done laying the new stone flags in King William Street, only for scruffs to spoil it by dropping their chewing gum. No respect, what a shame.
I agree with cathedral citi, she would be most imposing in the middle of the new square. On another matter, what a great job the council have done laying the new stone flags in King William Street, only for scruffs to spoil it by dropping their chewing gum. No respect, what a shame. sean_brfc
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2:01pm Mon 24 Dec 12

powerpop says...

New location. Queen Victoria Street in Mill Hill. A fitting tribute to a Monarch who took the Great out of Great Britain by her negligence. Just like Mill Hill, Britain is the dumping ground for economic and migrant tourism.
New location. Queen Victoria Street in Mill Hill. A fitting tribute to a Monarch who took the Great out of Great Britain by her negligence. Just like Mill Hill, Britain is the dumping ground for economic and migrant tourism. powerpop
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2:16pm Mon 24 Dec 12

asiancare says...

madari wrote:
Madari the snake charmer says:
Most of the elected self serving counsillors and citizens of blackburn are from the third world with a third world mentality so what does it matter to them where the statue is located, if i had my way i would replace it with a statue of Ghandhi in a town more befitting to Ghandhi than Queen Vic.
is that why you call ur self madari the snake charmer. from india.
"hypocrite"
[quote][p][bold]madari[/bold] wrote: Madari the snake charmer says: Most of the elected self serving counsillors and citizens of blackburn are from the third world with a third world mentality so what does it matter to them where the statue is located, if i had my way i would replace it with a statue of Ghandhi in a town more befitting to Ghandhi than Queen Vic.[/p][/quote]is that why you call ur self madari the snake charmer. from india. "hypocrite" asiancare
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4:45pm Mon 24 Dec 12

Blackburnisajoke says...

Madari you scumbag go back to whatever third world country your from..
Madari you scumbag go back to whatever third world country your from.. Blackburnisajoke
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12:21pm Tue 25 Dec 12

hairy mary says...

may i suggest takeing a bulldozer to it and use it as hardcore for the proposed site, after all its a big ugly eyesore
may i suggest takeing a bulldozer to it and use it as hardcore for the proposed site, after all its a big ugly eyesore hairy mary
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4:38pm Tue 25 Dec 12

phil kernot says...

The church is just interested in making money not about religion any more , Christianity will be second class in Blackburn as it is I bet already
The church is just interested in making money not about religion any more , Christianity will be second class in Blackburn as it is I bet already phil kernot
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4:47pm Tue 25 Dec 12

woolywords says...

cathedral citi wrote:
woolywords wrote:
odappip wrote:
i think a good site for the victoria statue would be on the roundabout at eanam.
Why not remove Queen Victoria to the street that bears her name? By this I mean, placing her on Barbara Castle Way, facing Eanam, between the lanes of traffic. And by doing so, have a little historic tongue in cheek at the same time.
Consider this..
Facing East, implying that direction which brought much wealth and fortune to the Victorians, both internationally and locally and harks back to when cotton was King, with Blackburn an huge centre for spinning and weaving, at that time.
Also in her view would be Lambeth Street, named after the former rope works of Thomas Hart, products of which were used in many of the mills to transmit power to the looms.
Off to her left is an huge estate of peoples from the former Raj who now enjoy making wealth themselves in the home of the long gone Empire.
Off to her right, over the hill (and out of sight), is the statue of statesman, Gladstone, whom she never liked, preferring instead as she did, Disraeli.
Behind her, Sir Charles Napier and all that he did as the General in charge of suppressing the natives in Sinde province of India, (what is now modern Pakistan). To her right is the closed off end of Regent Street, named after the Prince Regent who ruled before her and which gave rise to the term, Regency Period, which ended during Queen Victoria's reign.
Also she would be facing towards the road from Accrington, keeping an eye out for the troublesome populace that brought such notable events as the Power-loom Riots, Luddites and Chartists.
Of course, it goes without saying that, in such a prominent position, Queen Victoria would be seen by more people in an hour than she does in that dark corner of the Boulevard or being placed in a quiet cloistered square of the Cathedral Quarter.
How nice it would be, to sit waiting for the lights to change and have a bit of the modern road rage rant at the personage who brought progress to the area.
If my commentary does not satisfy all the critera that everyone wants for where to site her statue, then I don't know what will.

Footnote, from my history.
There is an interesting series of remarks from my former History Master in my school report that states, 'Why your Son bothers himself to attend my classes, year after year, defeats me, as he patently has no interest in the subject at all.
C-, at best!' No change there then.
Wow! What a thoroughly thought-out and imaginative commentary. Makes a lot of sense, but I doubt as to whether the majority of citizens will care to understand the significance of a strategically placed statue, as you suggest.

Personally, I'd Like to see it moved to the immediate vicinity of the cathedral, solely for the fact that the two are striking, whereas the Barbara castle way is unashamedly modern, thus not befitting.
Dears Sir, Madam or both,

First of all, may I take this opportunity to wish you and yours, from me and mine, an Happy Christmas and to thank you for your kind remarks.

Your comment has reminded me of the one street name that I had forgotten to add to my list of relevancy to the statue's siting during my erstwhile encompassing suggestion, namely Barbra Castle Way. Therefore, I am left with no choice but to redress that, at this time.
(Barbra Castle Way is eminently suitable for anachronistic reasons and for it's dichotomy in terms. Let's start with the relevance detail, first.)
Barbra Castle succeeded Ernest Marples as Transport Secretary for State, although Marples gave us the fast roads, Castle could not drive, herself. Marples gave us the Preston By-pass, as the current Motorways were called then, since they weren't all connected. Only later were the modern Motorways, quite wrongly in my view, attributed to her, rather than him. Ironically, BCW by-passed the Driving Stands Agency, that used to be on Preston New Road (and has since moved to Heaven knows where).
Since Way implies many things to many men, I shall imply the following definition for it. Way, in the Roman sense of usage, a method of getting a vast body of men from point A to point B, as quickly as possible. Those seeing the massed phalanx, (pardon my use of the Greek term for a body of men, where a mere Legion does't seem enough) should give way. Therein lies the dichotomy.
You rush, like a man possesed, from King Street, (trying to get home for some 'quality time' with the kids) only to be slowed down by every niche, nook and cranny along the way. Much as progress was slowed by Disraeli to Gladstones', let's crack on. I did mention that they, Queen Victoria and Gladstone didn't see eye to eye and this was at the core of that. He was all for rapid change, she was still in mourning the loss of Albert and wanted nothing to change.

So this is why I thought that she would be happy to be overseeing our rapid transit system that is embuggered by another person, whom also happens to be a German. (Siemens, a German firm, makes the traffic signals.)

Personally, I have not measured the ballustrade that surrounds the current plinthe but am sure that a good Master Mason, could make it fit the circumfrential distance between the two parralel lines of traffic or some Polish bloke with a chop saw, as we want this done, on the cheap..


post scriptum.
I was nearly tempted to use the term, jam, when referring to congestion but since the BBC, those Masters of 'received English', have not deigned to reply to my explanation of the term jam and what they think it is, I've decided to 'not go there'.
Where one is a fruit conserve, and the other, a thing that stops a door swinging, it's easy to see how these Southerners have let proper spoken English has gone East by not listening to what they say.
The difference between jam and t'other is, one a fruit conserve, the other an hole inth wall, jamb.

Merry Christmas, all..
Love you, really.
[quote][p][bold]cathedral citi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]odappip[/bold] wrote: i think a good site for the victoria statue would be on the roundabout at eanam.[/p][/quote]Why not remove Queen Victoria to the street that bears her name? By this I mean, placing her on Barbara Castle Way, facing Eanam, between the lanes of traffic. And by doing so, have a little historic tongue in cheek at the same time. Consider this.. Facing East, implying that direction which brought much wealth and fortune to the Victorians, both internationally and locally and harks back to when cotton was King, with Blackburn an huge centre for spinning and weaving, at that time. Also in her view would be Lambeth Street, named after the former rope works of Thomas Hart, products of which were used in many of the mills to transmit power to the looms. Off to her left is an huge estate of peoples from the former Raj who now enjoy making wealth themselves in the home of the long gone Empire. Off to her right, over the hill (and out of sight), is the statue of statesman, Gladstone, whom she never liked, preferring instead as she did, Disraeli. Behind her, Sir Charles Napier and all that he did as the General in charge of suppressing the natives in Sinde province of India, (what is now modern Pakistan). To her right is the closed off end of Regent Street, named after the Prince Regent who ruled before her and which gave rise to the term, Regency Period, which ended during Queen Victoria's reign. Also she would be facing towards the road from Accrington, keeping an eye out for the troublesome populace that brought such notable events as the Power-loom Riots, Luddites and Chartists. Of course, it goes without saying that, in such a prominent position, Queen Victoria would be seen by more people in an hour than she does in that dark corner of the Boulevard or being placed in a quiet cloistered square of the Cathedral Quarter. How nice it would be, to sit waiting for the lights to change and have a bit of the modern road rage rant at the personage who brought progress to the area. If my commentary does not satisfy all the critera that everyone wants for where to site her statue, then I don't know what will. Footnote, from my history. There is an interesting series of remarks from my former History Master in my school report that states, 'Why your Son bothers himself to attend my classes, year after year, defeats me, as he patently has no interest in the subject at all. C-, at best!' No change there then.[/p][/quote]Wow! What a thoroughly thought-out and imaginative commentary. Makes a lot of sense, but I doubt as to whether the majority of citizens will care to understand the significance of a strategically placed statue, as you suggest. Personally, I'd Like to see it moved to the immediate vicinity of the cathedral, solely for the fact that the two are striking, whereas the Barbara castle way is unashamedly modern, thus not befitting.[/p][/quote]Dears Sir, Madam or both, First of all, may I take this opportunity to wish you and yours, from me and mine, an Happy Christmas and to thank you for your kind remarks. Your comment has reminded me of the one street name that I had forgotten to add to my list of relevancy to the statue's siting during my erstwhile encompassing suggestion, namely Barbra Castle Way. Therefore, I am left with no choice but to redress that, at this time. (Barbra Castle Way is eminently suitable for anachronistic reasons and for it's dichotomy in terms. Let's start with the relevance detail, first.) Barbra Castle succeeded Ernest Marples as Transport Secretary for State, although Marples gave us the fast roads, Castle could not drive, herself. Marples gave us the Preston By-pass, as the current Motorways were called then, since they weren't all connected. Only later were the modern Motorways, quite wrongly in my view, attributed to her, rather than him. Ironically, BCW by-passed the Driving Stands Agency, that used to be on Preston New Road (and has since moved to Heaven knows where). Since Way implies many things to many men, I shall imply the following definition for it. Way, in the Roman sense of usage, a method of getting a vast body of men from point A to point B, as quickly as possible. Those seeing the massed phalanx, (pardon my use of the Greek term for a body of men, where a mere Legion does't seem enough) should give way. Therein lies the dichotomy. You rush, like a man possesed, from King Street, (trying to get home for some 'quality time' with the kids) only to be slowed down by every niche, nook and cranny along the way. Much as progress was slowed by Disraeli to Gladstones', let's crack on. I did mention that they, Queen Victoria and Gladstone didn't see eye to eye and this was at the core of that. He was all for rapid change, she was still in mourning the loss of Albert and wanted nothing to change. So this is why I thought that she would be happy to be overseeing our rapid transit system that is embuggered by another person, whom also happens to be a German. (Siemens, a German firm, makes the traffic signals.) Personally, I have not measured the ballustrade that surrounds the current plinthe but am sure that a good Master Mason, could make it fit the circumfrential distance between the two parralel lines of traffic or some Polish bloke with a chop saw, as we want this done, on the cheap.. post scriptum. I was nearly tempted to use the term, jam, when referring to congestion but since the BBC, those Masters of 'received English', have not deigned to reply to my explanation of the term jam and what they think it is, I've decided to 'not go there'. Where one is a fruit conserve, and the other, a thing that stops a door swinging, it's easy to see how these Southerners have let proper spoken English has gone East by not listening to what they say. The difference between jam and t'other is, one a fruit conserve, the other an hole inth wall, jamb. Merry Christmas, all.. Love you, really. woolywords
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3:59pm Wed 26 Dec 12

slimitus says...

I think a good place, would be the tip.
I think a good place, would be the tip. slimitus
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