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Depressed Colne care worker jumped off railway bridge after being suspended from job

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A CARE worker jumped from a railway bridge in Colne after he had been suspended from his job, an inquest heard.

Paul Naughton, from Colne, who was a recovering alcoholic suffering from depression, was discovered at the arches near Cotton Millworks, in Knotts Lane, on March 16, an inquest heard.

Police issued an appeal and artist's impression after they were unable to identify him at the time.

The 54-year-old, who lived in Burrans Meadow, had been unemployed before being offered a job caring for elderly people by Bupa.

Three months after Mr Naughton got the job, his employers carried out a criminal record check. They discovered that he had been charged with being a passenger in a stolen car when he was 17 and subsequently suspended him from work.

Mr Naughton’s brother John told Burnley Coroner's Court: “He was unemployed for a long time and he was proud of getting that job.”

His sister Nora said Paul had cared for their mother after she suffered a stroke, adding: “He had a vocation with the elderly.”

Mental health practitioner Roy Edwards told the inquest that in July last year, Mr Naughton was referred to him and was suffering auditory hallucinations brought on by anxiety.

Mr Edwards said: “He felt hopeless and alone. But he didn’t have thoughts or plans of self harm.”

Mr Naughton met with Mr Edwards 16 times before March. On February 3 he was prescribed the anti-depressant sertraline, then went back on February 16 to say the medication was not working. Mr Naughton had also attended Alcoholics Anonymous which he stopped doing in the weeks before his death.

Mr Naughton’s brother James said: “I spoke to people after the funeral and he had stopped answering the door to them.”

Nora said: “He had a new life here and to have a past mark harm that will have knocked him for six.”

DS Nick Hodgson, of Burnley CID, who was in charge of the investigation into Mr Naughton’s death, told the inquest there was no evidence of anything suspicious.

Mr Naughton’s body was found by a woman who lived near the railway bridge who was travelling home from work.

Richard Taylor, senior coroner for East Lancashire, recorded a verdict of suicide.

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9:42am Thu 3 Jul 14

Primus622 says...

This man made a stupid decision in his youth and the police have hounded him for the rest of his days....there is no such thing as true rehabilitation because mud sticks...people can change if they are allowed to...how many police officers have done stupid things in their younger days but not been caught?
This man made a stupid decision in his youth and the police have hounded him for the rest of his days....there is no such thing as true rehabilitation because mud sticks...people can change if they are allowed to...how many police officers have done stupid things in their younger days but not been caught? Primus622
  • Score: 18

9:44am Thu 3 Jul 14

superdad1 says...

Sad to hear he was suspended after his conviction was 37 years ago,
Sad to hear he was suspended after his conviction was 37 years ago, superdad1
  • Score: 57

9:55am Thu 3 Jul 14

vicn1956 says...

So sad.
On a related issue-the top of the car park in Accrington being closed off to prevent suicides. This story shows determined people will find somewhere to end it all.
So sad. On a related issue-the top of the car park in Accrington being closed off to prevent suicides. This story shows determined people will find somewhere to end it all. vicn1956
  • Score: 18

10:10am Thu 3 Jul 14

Casper's mum says...

It sounds like he was trying to turn his life around but karma wasn't on his side. I agree being suspended for a crime committed years ago which had no bearing on his job (if he'd been done for mugging an old lady, it would maybe be a different matter) was a harsh move by BUPA.

It's also sad to read, once again, that someone took their own life because they couldn't cope with life and that their mental illness was not treated sufficiently.
It sounds like he was trying to turn his life around but karma wasn't on his side. I agree being suspended for a crime committed years ago which had no bearing on his job (if he'd been done for mugging an old lady, it would maybe be a different matter) was a harsh move by BUPA. It's also sad to read, once again, that someone took their own life because they couldn't cope with life and that their mental illness was not treated sufficiently. Casper's mum
  • Score: 32

11:18am Thu 3 Jul 14

The Seagull has landed says...

Primus622 wrote:
This man made a stupid decision in his youth and the police have hounded him for the rest of his days....there is no such thing as true rehabilitation because mud sticks...people can change if they are allowed to...how many police officers have done stupid things in their younger days but not been caught?
Have you read a different article?

Where does it say in this one that the Police hounded him for the rest of his days?
[quote][p][bold]Primus622[/bold] wrote: This man made a stupid decision in his youth and the police have hounded him for the rest of his days....there is no such thing as true rehabilitation because mud sticks...people can change if they are allowed to...how many police officers have done stupid things in their younger days but not been caught?[/p][/quote]Have you read a different article? Where does it say in this one that the Police hounded him for the rest of his days? The Seagull has landed
  • Score: -6

11:40am Thu 3 Jul 14

Primus622 says...

The Seagull has landed wrote:
Primus622 wrote:
This man made a stupid decision in his youth and the police have hounded him for the rest of his days....there is no such thing as true rehabilitation because mud sticks...people can change if they are allowed to...how many police officers have done stupid things in their younger days but not been caught?
Have you read a different article?

Where does it say in this one that the Police hounded him for the rest of his days?
I may not have chosen the best words to get my point across but I'm sure you know what what I was getting at...this man was branded at 17 years of age and the police have made sure that the label would stay with him for life...
[quote][p][bold]The Seagull has landed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Primus622[/bold] wrote: This man made a stupid decision in his youth and the police have hounded him for the rest of his days....there is no such thing as true rehabilitation because mud sticks...people can change if they are allowed to...how many police officers have done stupid things in their younger days but not been caught?[/p][/quote]Have you read a different article? Where does it say in this one that the Police hounded him for the rest of his days?[/p][/quote]I may not have chosen the best words to get my point across but I'm sure you know what what I was getting at...this man was branded at 17 years of age and the police have made sure that the label would stay with him for life... Primus622
  • Score: 13

12:19pm Thu 3 Jul 14

rudis_dad says...

Primus622 wrote:
The Seagull has landed wrote:
Primus622 wrote:
This man made a stupid decision in his youth and the police have hounded him for the rest of his days....there is no such thing as true rehabilitation because mud sticks...people can change if they are allowed to...how many police officers have done stupid things in their younger days but not been caught?
Have you read a different article?

Where does it say in this one that the Police hounded him for the rest of his days?
I may not have chosen the best words to get my point across but I'm sure you know what what I was getting at...this man was branded at 17 years of age and the police have made sure that the label would stay with him for life...
The police have got nothing to do with it. It's the Home Office. But the questions that should be being asked are - if he was to be employed at a care home, why did the owners/operators only carry out a CRB check 3 months AFTER he had been employed? Given the fact that he had been a passenger in a suspected stolen vehicle 37 years previously and not been in trouble since, could they not have used a bit of descretion? Perhaps say, look, we know you have a criminal record but given that it was a fairly minor offence and such a long time ago we'll give you the benefit of the doubt? That said, he should have disclosed the fact when he applied for the job - perhaps if he had done they wouldn't have had to dismiss him.
[quote][p][bold]Primus622[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Seagull has landed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Primus622[/bold] wrote: This man made a stupid decision in his youth and the police have hounded him for the rest of his days....there is no such thing as true rehabilitation because mud sticks...people can change if they are allowed to...how many police officers have done stupid things in their younger days but not been caught?[/p][/quote]Have you read a different article? Where does it say in this one that the Police hounded him for the rest of his days?[/p][/quote]I may not have chosen the best words to get my point across but I'm sure you know what what I was getting at...this man was branded at 17 years of age and the police have made sure that the label would stay with him for life...[/p][/quote]The police have got nothing to do with it. It's the Home Office. But the questions that should be being asked are - if he was to be employed at a care home, why did the owners/operators only carry out a CRB check 3 months AFTER he had been employed? Given the fact that he had been a passenger in a suspected stolen vehicle 37 years previously and not been in trouble since, could they not have used a bit of descretion? Perhaps say, look, we know you have a criminal record but given that it was a fairly minor offence and such a long time ago we'll give you the benefit of the doubt? That said, he should have disclosed the fact when he applied for the job - perhaps if he had done they wouldn't have had to dismiss him. rudis_dad
  • Score: 14

12:30pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Primus622 says...

I believe that CRs are kept at scotland yard I may be wrong but I think that is a police establishment...
I believe that CRs are kept at scotland yard I may be wrong but I think that is a police establishment... Primus622
  • Score: 7

1:09pm Thu 3 Jul 14

The Seagull has landed says...

Primus622 wrote:
I believe that CRs are kept at scotland yard I may be wrong but I think that is a police establishment...
The criminal records bureau are a separate entity from the police, so what if they are based at Scotland Yard?

You seem to be placing the blame squarely at the feet of the police for this. Are you suggesting that they don't bother arresting and prosecuting people who allow themselves to be carried in stolen vehicles?

The problem you should be having is with bupa, they Are the ones who have extremely harshly acted based on a relatively minor incident so far back in this man's life. And as someone has pointed out why did they crb him 3 months into his job.

You can't blame the cops for his death, thats just silly.
[quote][p][bold]Primus622[/bold] wrote: I believe that CRs are kept at scotland yard I may be wrong but I think that is a police establishment...[/p][/quote]The criminal records bureau are a separate entity from the police, so what if they are based at Scotland Yard? You seem to be placing the blame squarely at the feet of the police for this. Are you suggesting that they don't bother arresting and prosecuting people who allow themselves to be carried in stolen vehicles? The problem you should be having is with bupa, they Are the ones who have extremely harshly acted based on a relatively minor incident so far back in this man's life. And as someone has pointed out why did they crb him 3 months into his job. You can't blame the cops for his death, thats just silly. The Seagull has landed
  • Score: 10

1:30pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Primus622 says...

The Seagull has landed wrote:
Primus622 wrote:
I believe that CRs are kept at scotland yard I may be wrong but I think that is a police establishment...
The criminal records bureau are a separate entity from the police, so what if they are based at Scotland Yard?

You seem to be placing the blame squarely at the feet of the police for this. Are you suggesting that they don't bother arresting and prosecuting people who allow themselves to be carried in stolen vehicles?

The problem you should be having is with bupa, they Are the ones who have extremely harshly acted based on a relatively minor incident so far back in this man's life. And as someone has pointed out why did they crb him 3 months into his job.

You can't blame the cops for his death, thats just silly.
Of course I'm not saying people should not be arrested and prosecuted but they should be allowed to rehabilitate for relatively minor offences in their youth...most people have done stupid things in years by ....probably a lot worse than this chap but not been caught...that dosen't make them a bad person..
[quote][p][bold]The Seagull has landed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Primus622[/bold] wrote: I believe that CRs are kept at scotland yard I may be wrong but I think that is a police establishment...[/p][/quote]The criminal records bureau are a separate entity from the police, so what if they are based at Scotland Yard? You seem to be placing the blame squarely at the feet of the police for this. Are you suggesting that they don't bother arresting and prosecuting people who allow themselves to be carried in stolen vehicles? The problem you should be having is with bupa, they Are the ones who have extremely harshly acted based on a relatively minor incident so far back in this man's life. And as someone has pointed out why did they crb him 3 months into his job. You can't blame the cops for his death, thats just silly.[/p][/quote]Of course I'm not saying people should not be arrested and prosecuted but they should be allowed to rehabilitate for relatively minor offences in their youth...most people have done stupid things in years by ....probably a lot worse than this chap but not been caught...that dosen't make them a bad person.. Primus622
  • Score: 8

2:42pm Thu 3 Jul 14

The Seagull has landed says...

Primus622 wrote:
The Seagull has landed wrote:
Primus622 wrote:
I believe that CRs are kept at scotland yard I may be wrong but I think that is a police establishment...
The criminal records bureau are a separate entity from the police, so what if they are based at Scotland Yard?

You seem to be placing the blame squarely at the feet of the police for this. Are you suggesting that they don't bother arresting and prosecuting people who allow themselves to be carried in stolen vehicles?

The problem you should be having is with bupa, they Are the ones who have extremely harshly acted based on a relatively minor incident so far back in this man's life. And as someone has pointed out why did they crb him 3 months into his job.

You can't blame the cops for his death, thats just silly.
Of course I'm not saying people should not be arrested and prosecuted but they should be allowed to rehabilitate for relatively minor offences in their youth...most people have done stupid things in years by ....probably a lot worse than this chap but not been caught...that dosen't make them a bad person..
I'm not suggesting he is, if he managed to turn his life around then fair play to him.
Ijust think your criticism of the police for doing their job 37 years ago is more than a bit bizarre.
You should be criticising the system that is currently in place and the rules surrounding the disclosure of minor criminal convictions.
[quote][p][bold]Primus622[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Seagull has landed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Primus622[/bold] wrote: I believe that CRs are kept at scotland yard I may be wrong but I think that is a police establishment...[/p][/quote]The criminal records bureau are a separate entity from the police, so what if they are based at Scotland Yard? You seem to be placing the blame squarely at the feet of the police for this. Are you suggesting that they don't bother arresting and prosecuting people who allow themselves to be carried in stolen vehicles? The problem you should be having is with bupa, they Are the ones who have extremely harshly acted based on a relatively minor incident so far back in this man's life. And as someone has pointed out why did they crb him 3 months into his job. You can't blame the cops for his death, thats just silly.[/p][/quote]Of course I'm not saying people should not be arrested and prosecuted but they should be allowed to rehabilitate for relatively minor offences in their youth...most people have done stupid things in years by ....probably a lot worse than this chap but not been caught...that dosen't make them a bad person..[/p][/quote]I'm not suggesting he is, if he managed to turn his life around then fair play to him. Ijust think your criticism of the police for doing their job 37 years ago is more than a bit bizarre. You should be criticising the system that is currently in place and the rules surrounding the disclosure of minor criminal convictions. The Seagull has landed
  • Score: -1

3:24pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Primus622 says...

The Seagull has landed wrote:
Primus622 wrote:
The Seagull has landed wrote:
Primus622 wrote:
I believe that CRs are kept at scotland yard I may be wrong but I think that is a police establishment...
The criminal records bureau are a separate entity from the police, so what if they are based at Scotland Yard?

You seem to be placing the blame squarely at the feet of the police for this. Are you suggesting that they don't bother arresting and prosecuting people who allow themselves to be carried in stolen vehicles?

The problem you should be having is with bupa, they Are the ones who have extremely harshly acted based on a relatively minor incident so far back in this man's life. And as someone has pointed out why did they crb him 3 months into his job.

You can't blame the cops for his death, thats just silly.
Of course I'm not saying people should not be arrested and prosecuted but they should be allowed to rehabilitate for relatively minor offences in their youth...most people have done stupid things in years by ....probably a lot worse than this chap but not been caught...that dosen't make them a bad person..
I'm not suggesting he is, if he managed to turn his life around then fair play to him.
Ijust think your criticism of the police for doing their job 37 years ago is more than a bit bizarre.
You should be criticising the system that is currently in place and the rules surrounding the disclosure of minor criminal convictions.
I'm not criticising what they did 37 years ago... I'm criticising the fact that they still hold the offence against him now...
[quote][p][bold]The Seagull has landed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Primus622[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Seagull has landed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Primus622[/bold] wrote: I believe that CRs are kept at scotland yard I may be wrong but I think that is a police establishment...[/p][/quote]The criminal records bureau are a separate entity from the police, so what if they are based at Scotland Yard? You seem to be placing the blame squarely at the feet of the police for this. Are you suggesting that they don't bother arresting and prosecuting people who allow themselves to be carried in stolen vehicles? The problem you should be having is with bupa, they Are the ones who have extremely harshly acted based on a relatively minor incident so far back in this man's life. And as someone has pointed out why did they crb him 3 months into his job. You can't blame the cops for his death, thats just silly.[/p][/quote]Of course I'm not saying people should not be arrested and prosecuted but they should be allowed to rehabilitate for relatively minor offences in their youth...most people have done stupid things in years by ....probably a lot worse than this chap but not been caught...that dosen't make them a bad person..[/p][/quote]I'm not suggesting he is, if he managed to turn his life around then fair play to him. Ijust think your criticism of the police for doing their job 37 years ago is more than a bit bizarre. You should be criticising the system that is currently in place and the rules surrounding the disclosure of minor criminal convictions.[/p][/quote]I'm not criticising what they did 37 years ago... I'm criticising the fact that they still hold the offence against him now... Primus622
  • Score: -4

3:49pm Thu 3 Jul 14

woolywords says...

As far as I'm aware, if you are applying for certain jobs, the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974, does not apply and I suspect that this is one of those cases. There should have been a warning to that effect on the application forms.
Thus there is a certain level of dishonesty involved in not declaring your previous convictions, not matter how far back that they go. So being suspended for this alone is normal, pending a review of the situation.
Unfortunately, it seems as though he chose to take matters far more seriously than they actually were.
As far as I'm aware, if you are applying for certain jobs, the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974, does not apply and I suspect that this is one of those cases. There should have been a warning to that effect on the application forms. Thus there is a certain level of dishonesty involved in not declaring your previous convictions, not matter how far back that they go. So being suspended for this alone is normal, pending a review of the situation. Unfortunately, it seems as though he chose to take matters far more seriously than they actually were. woolywords
  • Score: 6

5:11pm Thu 3 Jul 14

The Seagull has landed says...

Primus622 wrote:
The Seagull has landed wrote:
Primus622 wrote:
The Seagull has landed wrote:
Primus622 wrote:
I believe that CRs are kept at scotland yard I may be wrong but I think that is a police establishment...
The criminal records bureau are a separate entity from the police, so what if they are based at Scotland Yard?

You seem to be placing the blame squarely at the feet of the police for this. Are you suggesting that they don't bother arresting and prosecuting people who allow themselves to be carried in stolen vehicles?

The problem you should be having is with bupa, they Are the ones who have extremely harshly acted based on a relatively minor incident so far back in this man's life. And as someone has pointed out why did they crb him 3 months into his job.

You can't blame the cops for his death, thats just silly.
Of course I'm not saying people should not be arrested and prosecuted but they should be allowed to rehabilitate for relatively minor offences in their youth...most people have done stupid things in years by ....probably a lot worse than this chap but not been caught...that dosen't make them a bad person..
I'm not suggesting he is, if he managed to turn his life around then fair play to him.
Ijust think your criticism of the police for doing their job 37 years ago is more than a bit bizarre.
You should be criticising the system that is currently in place and the rules surrounding the disclosure of minor criminal convictions.
I'm not criticising what they did 37 years ago... I'm criticising the fact that they still hold the offence against him now...
They aren't holding it against him, it's specific legislation that means you have an obligation to disclose previous convictions,. This has nothing to do with the police. ITS THE CRIMINAL RECORDS BUREAU.
[quote][p][bold]Primus622[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Seagull has landed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Primus622[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Seagull has landed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Primus622[/bold] wrote: I believe that CRs are kept at scotland yard I may be wrong but I think that is a police establishment...[/p][/quote]The criminal records bureau are a separate entity from the police, so what if they are based at Scotland Yard? You seem to be placing the blame squarely at the feet of the police for this. Are you suggesting that they don't bother arresting and prosecuting people who allow themselves to be carried in stolen vehicles? The problem you should be having is with bupa, they Are the ones who have extremely harshly acted based on a relatively minor incident so far back in this man's life. And as someone has pointed out why did they crb him 3 months into his job. You can't blame the cops for his death, thats just silly.[/p][/quote]Of course I'm not saying people should not be arrested and prosecuted but they should be allowed to rehabilitate for relatively minor offences in their youth...most people have done stupid things in years by ....probably a lot worse than this chap but not been caught...that dosen't make them a bad person..[/p][/quote]I'm not suggesting he is, if he managed to turn his life around then fair play to him. Ijust think your criticism of the police for doing their job 37 years ago is more than a bit bizarre. You should be criticising the system that is currently in place and the rules surrounding the disclosure of minor criminal convictions.[/p][/quote]I'm not criticising what they did 37 years ago... I'm criticising the fact that they still hold the offence against him now...[/p][/quote]They aren't holding it against him, it's specific legislation that means you have an obligation to disclose previous convictions,. This has nothing to do with the police. ITS THE CRIMINAL RECORDS BUREAU. The Seagull has landed
  • Score: 0

6:43pm Thu 3 Jul 14

rebeccacatterall says...

Primus622 wrote:
The Seagull has landed wrote:
Primus622 wrote:
This man made a stupid decision in his youth and the police have hounded him for the rest of his days....there is no such thing as true rehabilitation because mud sticks...people can change if they are allowed to...how many police officers have done stupid things in their younger days but not been caught?
Have you read a different article?

Where does it say in this one that the Police hounded him for the rest of his days?
I may not have chosen the best words to get my point across but I'm sure you know what what I was getting at...this man was branded at 17 years of age and the police have made sure that the label would stay with him for life...
Maybe not the police - perhaps the Criminal Justice System... And if you wish to get angry at someone - consider this - the Employee has the discretion upon seeing any previous convictions, to discuss it with him and dismiss it if it isn't applicable or an intrinsic issue with his role.. Something that happened over 30 years ago - Employers didn't give him a chance. :/
[quote][p][bold]Primus622[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Seagull has landed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Primus622[/bold] wrote: This man made a stupid decision in his youth and the police have hounded him for the rest of his days....there is no such thing as true rehabilitation because mud sticks...people can change if they are allowed to...how many police officers have done stupid things in their younger days but not been caught?[/p][/quote]Have you read a different article? Where does it say in this one that the Police hounded him for the rest of his days?[/p][/quote]I may not have chosen the best words to get my point across but I'm sure you know what what I was getting at...this man was branded at 17 years of age and the police have made sure that the label would stay with him for life...[/p][/quote]Maybe not the police - perhaps the Criminal Justice System... And if you wish to get angry at someone - consider this - the Employee has the discretion upon seeing any previous convictions, to discuss it with him and dismiss it if it isn't applicable or an intrinsic issue with his role.. Something that happened over 30 years ago - Employers didn't give him a chance. :/ rebeccacatterall
  • Score: 10

8:32pm Thu 3 Jul 14

damianlewiswife says...

rebeccacatterall wrote:
Primus622 wrote:
The Seagull has landed wrote:
Primus622 wrote:
This man made a stupid decision in his youth and the police have hounded him for the rest of his days....there is no such thing as true rehabilitation because mud sticks...people can change if they are allowed to...how many police officers have done stupid things in their younger days but not been caught?
Have you read a different article?

Where does it say in this one that the Police hounded him for the rest of his days?
I may not have chosen the best words to get my point across but I'm sure you know what what I was getting at...this man was branded at 17 years of age and the police have made sure that the label would stay with him for life...
Maybe not the police - perhaps the Criminal Justice System... And if you wish to get angry at someone - consider this - the Employee has the discretion upon seeing any previous convictions, to discuss it with him and dismiss it if it isn't applicable or an intrinsic issue with his role.. Something that happened over 30 years ago - Employers didn't give him a chance. :/
I am a registered manager with CQC and can tell you that the rules are very clear. Firstly, a DBS check should have been done by BUPA immediately after he was made a conditional offer of employment. Secondly, a positive disclosure does not automatically bar you from working with vulnerable adults and children. It is at the discretion of the employer . I suspect he possibly failed to disclose his conviction at interview. In social care, the rehabilitation of offenders act does not apply

Whatever the circumstances my thoughts are with this GEntleman and his friends and family. A tragedy for all concerned.
[quote][p][bold]rebeccacatterall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Primus622[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Seagull has landed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Primus622[/bold] wrote: This man made a stupid decision in his youth and the police have hounded him for the rest of his days....there is no such thing as true rehabilitation because mud sticks...people can change if they are allowed to...how many police officers have done stupid things in their younger days but not been caught?[/p][/quote]Have you read a different article? Where does it say in this one that the Police hounded him for the rest of his days?[/p][/quote]I may not have chosen the best words to get my point across but I'm sure you know what what I was getting at...this man was branded at 17 years of age and the police have made sure that the label would stay with him for life...[/p][/quote]Maybe not the police - perhaps the Criminal Justice System... And if you wish to get angry at someone - consider this - the Employee has the discretion upon seeing any previous convictions, to discuss it with him and dismiss it if it isn't applicable or an intrinsic issue with his role.. Something that happened over 30 years ago - Employers didn't give him a chance. :/[/p][/quote]I am a registered manager with CQC and can tell you that the rules are very clear. Firstly, a DBS check should have been done by BUPA immediately after he was made a conditional offer of employment. Secondly, a positive disclosure does not automatically bar you from working with vulnerable adults and children. It is at the discretion of the employer . I suspect he possibly failed to disclose his conviction at interview. In social care, the rehabilitation of offenders act does not apply Whatever the circumstances my thoughts are with this GEntleman and his friends and family. A tragedy for all concerned. damianlewiswife
  • Score: 6

9:39pm Thu 3 Jul 14

glsbabe says...

This was a true gentleman who had worked so hard on his recovery. His commitment to the programme and to his future was an example to many others,including me.
RIP Paul.We all miss you and will never forget the difference you made to so many.
This was a true gentleman who had worked so hard on his recovery. His commitment to the programme and to his future was an example to many others,including me. RIP Paul.We all miss you and will never forget the difference you made to so many. glsbabe
  • Score: 12

11:25pm Thu 3 Jul 14

blackburne67 says...

Primus622 wrote:
This man made a stupid decision in his youth and the police have hounded him for the rest of his days....there is no such thing as true rehabilitation because mud sticks...people can change if they are allowed to...how many police officers have done stupid things in their younger days but not been caught?
Its the government that dictate what the law is not the officers.We choose who we want to govern are country.
[quote][p][bold]Primus622[/bold] wrote: This man made a stupid decision in his youth and the police have hounded him for the rest of his days....there is no such thing as true rehabilitation because mud sticks...people can change if they are allowed to...how many police officers have done stupid things in their younger days but not been caught?[/p][/quote]Its the government that dictate what the law is not the officers.We choose who we want to govern are country. blackburne67
  • Score: 0

11:31pm Thu 3 Jul 14

blackburne67 says...

The Seagull has landed wrote:
Primus622 wrote:
This man made a stupid decision in his youth and the police have hounded him for the rest of his days....there is no such thing as true rehabilitation because mud sticks...people can change if they are allowed to...how many police officers have done stupid things in their younger days but not been caught?
Have you read a different article?

Where does it say in this one that the Police hounded him for the rest of his days?
Its the government that dictate what the law is not the officers.We choose who we want to govern are country. & I did not see in the article that officers had been hounding him for yrs either.It was Bupa who decided to end his job with them but there may have been other reasons which they cannot legally mention.Its very sad that he decided to end his life though.
[quote][p][bold]The Seagull has landed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Primus622[/bold] wrote: This man made a stupid decision in his youth and the police have hounded him for the rest of his days....there is no such thing as true rehabilitation because mud sticks...people can change if they are allowed to...how many police officers have done stupid things in their younger days but not been caught?[/p][/quote]Have you read a different article? Where does it say in this one that the Police hounded him for the rest of his days?[/p][/quote]Its the government that dictate what the law is not the officers.We choose who we want to govern are country. & I did not see in the article that officers had been hounding him for yrs either.It was Bupa who decided to end his job with them but there may have been other reasons which they cannot legally mention.Its very sad that he decided to end his life though. blackburne67
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11:37pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Good call says...

The chap should never have been suspended for such a petty misdemeanor that happened such a long time ago. Telling him to declare it in the future would have been enough.

I wish that common sense and discretion would defeat blind obedience to policy and procedure.

RIP
The chap should never have been suspended for such a petty misdemeanor that happened such a long time ago. Telling him to declare it in the future would have been enough. I wish that common sense and discretion would defeat blind obedience to policy and procedure. RIP Good call
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11:27pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Ronnietate says...

Interesting to note that the company did the criminal record check three months after they hired him? Seems to me that they just wanted to terminate his employment before he could complete the three month probationary period. I suspect that even if his record was clear, that they would have found any excuse to get rid of him. As far as I am concerned the company is guilty of manslaughter!
Interesting to note that the company did the criminal record check three months after they hired him? Seems to me that they just wanted to terminate his employment before he could complete the three month probationary period. I suspect that even if his record was clear, that they would have found any excuse to get rid of him. As far as I am concerned the company is guilty of manslaughter! Ronnietate
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