Blackburn councillor claims 'Ofsted inspections do not reflect results'

Blackburn councillor claims 'Ofsted inspections do not reflect results'

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Coun Dave Harling

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A COUNCILLOR has claimed Ofsted inspections in Blackburn are unfair and do not reflect results.

Coun Dave Harling came under fire from opposition members who asked why three Blackburn high schools had failed inspections.

It comes as Pleckgate High School, Darwen Vale and Our Lady and St John face being forced to become academies.

Coun Denise Gee blasted the Labour council for letting down local children and parents.

Speaking at a council meeting she said: “In view of a third secondary school failing an inspection will the Labour group admit that its failure to invest in school programmes and the officers required they have let down the schools, parents but most importantly the pupils at such a crucial time in their lives.”

Coun Mike Lee, leader of the Tory opposition, added: “Whilst the education portfolio has a £190,000 underspend, pupil premium is all- time high and set to rise.

“We have empty positions for school improvement officers and there were clear warning signs re schools not making the mark. I have to ask why in the interest of the children we did not act.

“Although the children’s results are clearly climbing, in areas of core subjects the results are not good enough to give the young people a fighting chance in the job market. They deserve better.”

However Coun Harling said he felt the failed Ofsted inspections were confusing when children’s results in the borough were up 17 per cent.

He said: “I think anyone would agree that Ofsted inspections can be very erratic and seem to vary on what they consider to be important.”

After the meeting he said to the Lancashire Telegraph: “Some of the inspections we’ve seen in the borough have been very harsh judgements. They vary so much and are quite unfair. Of course we want to prevent academisation because it weakens us as an educational authority and we get less funding and less resources when schools are taken away.

“Our schools are improving – results show that but Ofsted have changed the goal posts. If a school is going through a rough patch, we should have the opportunity to support them through it as we have done in the past.”

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12:30pm Tue 6 May 14

BlackburnEyes says...

what is confusing is how you are deflecting the blame onto OFSTED when you presided over the shambolic appointment of an unfit head at pleckgate and then supported her to destabalise the school...look at your own failings before highlight failings by others! clowncillor!
what is confusing is how you are deflecting the blame onto OFSTED when you presided over the shambolic appointment of an unfit head at pleckgate and then supported her to destabalise the school...look at your own failings before highlight failings by others! clowncillor! BlackburnEyes
  • Score: 17

1:41pm Tue 6 May 14

woolywords says...

Have to agree with the above comment and add to it, as I don't think it goes far enough toward the truth of the matter.
It is apparent that Cllr Dave Harling feels that he owes an explanation but it seems to me that he is deflecting from the truth, somewhat. Ofsted Inspectors will have set out what their expectations are, for any given school, long before any inspection takes place. It is therefore incumbent upon those in charge to familiarise themselves with these goals and put systems in place to achieve a positive outcome.
Merely resting upon your laurels because a school gains one 'good' report is not enough in this day and age. Both Education Authority leaders and schools should work together, to see what can be done to ensure that every school in the Borough is a shining example of what can be achieved when the proper processes are put in place.
Have to agree with the above comment and add to it, as I don't think it goes far enough toward the truth of the matter. It is apparent that Cllr Dave Harling feels that he owes an explanation but it seems to me that he is deflecting from the truth, somewhat. Ofsted Inspectors will have set out what their expectations are, for any given school, long before any inspection takes place. It is therefore incumbent upon those in charge to familiarise themselves with these goals and put systems in place to achieve a positive outcome. Merely resting upon your laurels because a school gains one 'good' report is not enough in this day and age. Both Education Authority leaders and schools should work together, to see what can be done to ensure that every school in the Borough is a shining example of what can be achieved when the proper processes are put in place. woolywords
  • Score: 8

2:50pm Tue 6 May 14

vicn1956 says...

And the recent inspection of the council did not reflect the true picture of what they have done to the town!
And the recent inspection of the council did not reflect the true picture of what they have done to the town! vicn1956
  • Score: 8

3:07pm Tue 6 May 14

Little Brother says...

Let's be honest, the Head at Pleckgate was appointed over 12 months before Dave Harling took over in Schools and Education so he cannot be held responsible in any way for her appointment - the governing body selected and appointed her.

The inconsistencies of Ofsted inspections is well known and is largely dependent on the actual team that arrives. One problem faced by schools is the ever changing inspection regime and it is difficult to change what they do mid-stream.

Ofsted do not measure progress as part of their inspection, which means that the enormous progress made locally is ignored in favour of national benchmarks. ALL our secondary schools are well above the minimum benchmark for GCSE results.
Let's be honest, the Head at Pleckgate was appointed over 12 months before Dave Harling took over in Schools and Education so he cannot be held responsible in any way for her appointment - the governing body selected and appointed her. The inconsistencies of Ofsted inspections is well known and is largely dependent on the actual team that arrives. One problem faced by schools is the ever changing inspection regime and it is difficult to change what they do mid-stream. Ofsted do not measure progress as part of their inspection, which means that the enormous progress made locally is ignored in favour of national benchmarks. ALL our secondary schools are well above the minimum benchmark for GCSE results. Little Brother
  • Score: 5

3:20pm Tue 6 May 14

salvadore says...

Little Brother wrote:
Let's be honest, the Head at Pleckgate was appointed over 12 months before Dave Harling took over in Schools and Education so he cannot be held responsible in any way for her appointment - the governing body selected and appointed her.

The inconsistencies of Ofsted inspections is well known and is largely dependent on the actual team that arrives. One problem faced by schools is the ever changing inspection regime and it is difficult to change what they do mid-stream.

Ofsted do not measure progress as part of their inspection, which means that the enormous progress made locally is ignored in favour of national benchmarks. ALL our secondary schools are well above the minimum benchmark for GCSE results.
Are you having a laugh, it doesn't matter which inspectors you get the schools, the local authority who support them should be ready. Every school, every head knows what expected by ofsted. You can download the descriptors from the ofsted site. There is no excuses for not being up to date with what is required. If there is something the inspectors pick up which is going to give the school a lower grade. The school are allowed to challenge the inspectors and then the inspectors will come to a final conclusion before grading that area.
This is simple, the councillors in charge of education, Harry catterall director of education, mebs bobat in charge of school improving team has let the children of Blackburn & darwen down. They all should be sacked, they have no idea not any passion to improve the educational achievements of our children. We haven't even mentioned the many primary schools that have failed ofsted inspections.
The funny thing is those thick as pig pooh whose running the education don't understand that the failing schools will become academies and out if their control. That means less funding and no need for so many levels of management. Kick them all out without any playoffs.
[quote][p][bold]Little Brother[/bold] wrote: Let's be honest, the Head at Pleckgate was appointed over 12 months before Dave Harling took over in Schools and Education so he cannot be held responsible in any way for her appointment - the governing body selected and appointed her. The inconsistencies of Ofsted inspections is well known and is largely dependent on the actual team that arrives. One problem faced by schools is the ever changing inspection regime and it is difficult to change what they do mid-stream. Ofsted do not measure progress as part of their inspection, which means that the enormous progress made locally is ignored in favour of national benchmarks. ALL our secondary schools are well above the minimum benchmark for GCSE results.[/p][/quote]Are you having a laugh, it doesn't matter which inspectors you get the schools, the local authority who support them should be ready. Every school, every head knows what expected by ofsted. You can download the descriptors from the ofsted site. There is no excuses for not being up to date with what is required. If there is something the inspectors pick up which is going to give the school a lower grade. The school are allowed to challenge the inspectors and then the inspectors will come to a final conclusion before grading that area. This is simple, the councillors in charge of education, Harry catterall director of education, mebs bobat in charge of school improving team has let the children of Blackburn & darwen down. They all should be sacked, they have no idea not any passion to improve the educational achievements of our children. We haven't even mentioned the many primary schools that have failed ofsted inspections. The funny thing is those thick as pig pooh whose running the education don't understand that the failing schools will become academies and out if their control. That means less funding and no need for so many levels of management. Kick them all out without any playoffs. salvadore
  • Score: 9

5:54pm Tue 6 May 14

BlackburnEyes says...

Little Brother wrote:
Let's be honest, the Head at Pleckgate was appointed over 12 months before Dave Harling took over in Schools and Education so he cannot be held responsible in any way for her appointment - the governing body selected and appointed her.

The inconsistencies of Ofsted inspections is well known and is largely dependent on the actual team that arrives. One problem faced by schools is the ever changing inspection regime and it is difficult to change what they do mid-stream.

Ofsted do not measure progress as part of their inspection, which means that the enormous progress made locally is ignored in favour of national benchmarks. ALL our secondary schools are well above the minimum benchmark for GCSE results.
I suggest you check your facts she was appointed after he was appointed executive member....despite this he ignored a lot during her reign and supported her reign in the face of unrest....but i would like mr harling to air his own failings for once or failing that pull his pants down and prove to us all the the sun does shine out if his backside and he can do no wrong!!!
[quote][p][bold]Little Brother[/bold] wrote: Let's be honest, the Head at Pleckgate was appointed over 12 months before Dave Harling took over in Schools and Education so he cannot be held responsible in any way for her appointment - the governing body selected and appointed her. The inconsistencies of Ofsted inspections is well known and is largely dependent on the actual team that arrives. One problem faced by schools is the ever changing inspection regime and it is difficult to change what they do mid-stream. Ofsted do not measure progress as part of their inspection, which means that the enormous progress made locally is ignored in favour of national benchmarks. ALL our secondary schools are well above the minimum benchmark for GCSE results.[/p][/quote]I suggest you check your facts she was appointed after he was appointed executive member....despite this he ignored a lot during her reign and supported her reign in the face of unrest....but i would like mr harling to air his own failings for once or failing that pull his pants down and prove to us all the the sun does shine out if his backside and he can do no wrong!!! BlackburnEyes
  • Score: 7

6:55pm Tue 6 May 14

Nelson J says...

In the case of Darwen Vale the ‘Inadequate’ Ofsted rating was decided before inspectors set foot in the school. Mike Ion, academy broker for the DfE informed parents and staff at a recent ‘consultation’ drop-in session that ministers had made the decision to give the Aldridge Foundation a cluster of schools in Darwen eighteen months ago. That was nine months prior to the inspection!

Ironically the school was inspected on the same day the Academies Annual Report 2011-2012 was published, June 12th 2013. In this report Michael Gove states that he wishes to ‘encourage high quality sponsors with the capacity and capability to turn around under performing schools’ he goes on to say ‘we will closely monitor growth to ensure sponsors only take on under performing schools that we know have the capacity to transform quickly’.

Darwen Vale is considered to be an under performing school on the say so of four inspectors. Since the inspection last year it has received two positive section 8 inspections, the exam results increased by 8% in 2013 from 2012 and are expected to rise again this year. This is not an under performing school by any stretch of the imagination and the Ofsted inspection ‘Inadequate’ rating was merely used as the tool to give Michael Gove the green light to give the school to the Aldridge Foundation.

Keep up the fight ……………..Dar
wen Vale MUST remain DARWEN VALE.
In the case of Darwen Vale the ‘Inadequate’ Ofsted rating was decided before inspectors set foot in the school. Mike Ion, academy broker for the DfE informed parents and staff at a recent ‘consultation’ drop-in session that ministers had made the decision to give the Aldridge Foundation a cluster of schools in Darwen eighteen months ago. That was nine months prior to the inspection! Ironically the school was inspected on the same day the Academies Annual Report 2011-2012 was published, June 12th 2013. In this report Michael Gove states that he wishes to ‘encourage high quality sponsors with the capacity and capability to turn around under performing schools’ he goes on to say ‘we will closely monitor growth to ensure sponsors only take on under performing schools that we know have the capacity to transform quickly’. Darwen Vale is considered to be an under performing school on the say so of four inspectors. Since the inspection last year it has received two positive section 8 inspections, the exam results increased by 8% in 2013 from 2012 and are expected to rise again this year. This is not an under performing school by any stretch of the imagination and the Ofsted inspection ‘Inadequate’ rating was merely used as the tool to give Michael Gove the green light to give the school to the Aldridge Foundation. Keep up the fight ……………..Dar wen Vale MUST remain DARWEN VALE. Nelson J
  • Score: 9

9:08pm Tue 6 May 14

salvadore says...

Nelson J wrote:
In the case of Darwen Vale the ‘Inadequate’ Ofsted rating was decided before inspectors set foot in the school. Mike Ion, academy broker for the DfE informed parents and staff at a recent ‘consultation’ drop-in session that ministers had made the decision to give the Aldridge Foundation a cluster of schools in Darwen eighteen months ago. That was nine months prior to the inspection!

Ironically the school was inspected on the same day the Academies Annual Report 2011-2012 was published, June 12th 2013. In this report Michael Gove states that he wishes to ‘encourage high quality sponsors with the capacity and capability to turn around under performing schools’ he goes on to say ‘we will closely monitor growth to ensure sponsors only take on under performing schools that we know have the capacity to transform quickly’.

Darwen Vale is considered to be an under performing school on the say so of four inspectors. Since the inspection last year it has received two positive section 8 inspections, the exam results increased by 8% in 2013 from 2012 and are expected to rise again this year. This is not an under performing school by any stretch of the imagination and the Ofsted inspection ‘Inadequate’ rating was merely used as the tool to give Michael Gove the green light to give the school to the Aldridge Foundation.

Keep up the fight ……………..Dar

wen Vale MUST remain DARWEN VALE.
I agree there is a political angle to this, Blackburn with darwen like other councils are being forced in to creating more academies. Any school that doesn't a good will be forced to go down this route. However, this is even more reason to support the schools even more to achieve a good or better in the ofsted inspection. At LCC since Michael gove made it clear about creating more academies for schools who are graded 3-4, they have made a concerted effort to support schools to avoid being forced down this route. It boils done the incompetence of the education depart at BwD.
[quote][p][bold]Nelson J[/bold] wrote: In the case of Darwen Vale the ‘Inadequate’ Ofsted rating was decided before inspectors set foot in the school. Mike Ion, academy broker for the DfE informed parents and staff at a recent ‘consultation’ drop-in session that ministers had made the decision to give the Aldridge Foundation a cluster of schools in Darwen eighteen months ago. That was nine months prior to the inspection! Ironically the school was inspected on the same day the Academies Annual Report 2011-2012 was published, June 12th 2013. In this report Michael Gove states that he wishes to ‘encourage high quality sponsors with the capacity and capability to turn around under performing schools’ he goes on to say ‘we will closely monitor growth to ensure sponsors only take on under performing schools that we know have the capacity to transform quickly’. Darwen Vale is considered to be an under performing school on the say so of four inspectors. Since the inspection last year it has received two positive section 8 inspections, the exam results increased by 8% in 2013 from 2012 and are expected to rise again this year. This is not an under performing school by any stretch of the imagination and the Ofsted inspection ‘Inadequate’ rating was merely used as the tool to give Michael Gove the green light to give the school to the Aldridge Foundation. Keep up the fight ……………..Dar wen Vale MUST remain DARWEN VALE.[/p][/quote]I agree there is a political angle to this, Blackburn with darwen like other councils are being forced in to creating more academies. Any school that doesn't a good will be forced to go down this route. However, this is even more reason to support the schools even more to achieve a good or better in the ofsted inspection. At LCC since Michael gove made it clear about creating more academies for schools who are graded 3-4, they have made a concerted effort to support schools to avoid being forced down this route. It boils done the incompetence of the education depart at BwD. salvadore
  • Score: 6

10:13pm Tue 6 May 14

Ex teacher says...

I have some agreement with what the councillor says about Ofsted, certainly in the case of Pleckgate the report blamed the governors, when it was obvious that the blame lay with the Head.
What is not beyond doubt is that the local officials presided over and allowed the situation at Pleckgate to continue.
I have some agreement with what the councillor says about Ofsted, certainly in the case of Pleckgate the report blamed the governors, when it was obvious that the blame lay with the Head. What is not beyond doubt is that the local officials presided over and allowed the situation at Pleckgate to continue. Ex teacher
  • Score: 6

11:40pm Tue 6 May 14

woolywords says...

Dear Dave Harling,
I've just watched a documentary, on this same internet, that you are reading this upon.
In this doc, it states that, the number of lifeboats that ship, RMS Titanic, could have carried was, 64, giving it the capacity to hold more than the numbers actually ever carried.
Due to a form of the same mismanagement that you oversee, it was decided to have far less. It barely complied with the rules of the day.

Now, I'm not here, to tell you about how, the headlines of the day, printed large, great loss of life, but...
You Sir, are the Captain of this ship of education, that steers a course, on many a childs future..
They sail towards a bright, new future, in the far of land of tomorrow.
In a queer analogy, don't be their, iceberg.

For I will write, large.. Dave Harling, the iceberg, that sank education in Blackburn.
RMS Titanic sank, with 1517 lost, where the nation wept, in tears.
Dave Harling, captained an education system, that ruined lives, that made far more, utterly helpless, in tears.

I am a sword holding man, with killer strokes of some meter;
lacking tutors, in iambic pentameter.
I hold, devine, that child of thine,
that they be taught, better than mine.

Where were taught in wood and plastic,
they are gifted, way more fantastic,
with Teflon and computer bytes,
keeping up, gives me, scary nights.
Then comes our Mr Harling,
knowing what is good, for our little darling.
Do we trust him, with our sprouts,
I've more than, a shedload of doubts.
He has to speak, more clear,
before I'd trust him, with my little dear.

where English is written, with an alcohol gulp.
God save you all, from this thickwits pulp!
Dear Dave Harling, I've just watched a documentary, on this same internet, that you are reading this upon. In this doc, it states that, the number of lifeboats that ship, RMS Titanic, could have carried was, 64, giving it the capacity to hold more than the numbers actually ever carried. Due to a form of the same mismanagement that you oversee, it was decided to have far less. It barely complied with the rules of the day. Now, I'm not here, to tell you about how, the headlines of the day, printed large, great loss of life, but... You Sir, are the Captain of this ship of education, that steers a course, on many a childs future.. They sail towards a bright, new future, in the far of land of tomorrow. In a queer analogy, don't be their, iceberg. For I will write, large.. Dave Harling, the iceberg, that sank education in Blackburn. RMS Titanic sank, with 1517 lost, where the nation wept, in tears. Dave Harling, captained an education system, that ruined lives, that made far more, utterly helpless, in tears. I am a sword holding man, with killer strokes of some meter; lacking tutors, in iambic pentameter. I hold, devine, that child of thine, that they be taught, better than mine. Where were taught in wood and plastic, they are gifted, way more fantastic, with Teflon and computer bytes, keeping up, gives me, scary nights. Then comes our Mr Harling, knowing what is good, for our little darling. Do we trust him, with our sprouts, I've more than, a shedload of doubts. He has to speak, more clear, before I'd trust him, with my little dear. where English is written, with an alcohol gulp. God save you all, from this thickwits pulp! woolywords
  • Score: 0

11:47pm Tue 6 May 14

woolywords says...

Expect next week, in this paper...

Dave Harlings child, eating a school curriculum, thus proving to all, it is safe, in his hands!

No heckling nor cat-calling in the cheap seats, purlees!
Expect next week, in this paper... Dave Harlings child, eating a school curriculum, thus proving to all, it is safe, in his hands! No heckling nor cat-calling in the cheap seats, purlees! woolywords
  • Score: -5

7:10am Wed 7 May 14

schooldinners says...

Ridgway might have gone but, until the acting headteacher stops a couple of her appointments from gleefully victimising a whole department and ruining the working lives of others, it is difficult to feel sympathy for (or even support) the post-Ridgway Pleckgate. You reap what you sow.
Ridgway might have gone but, until the acting headteacher stops a couple of her appointments from gleefully victimising a whole department and ruining the working lives of others, it is difficult to feel sympathy for (or even support) the post-Ridgway Pleckgate. You reap what you sow. schooldinners
  • Score: 3

12:26pm Wed 7 May 14

BlackburnEyes says...

schooldinners wrote:
Ridgway might have gone but, until the acting headteacher stops a couple of her appointments from gleefully victimising a whole department and ruining the working lives of others, it is difficult to feel sympathy for (or even support) the post-Ridgway Pleckgate. You reap what you sow.
care to elaborate further these cyber walls do have ears which can benefit those being victimised!
[quote][p][bold]schooldinners[/bold] wrote: Ridgway might have gone but, until the acting headteacher stops a couple of her appointments from gleefully victimising a whole department and ruining the working lives of others, it is difficult to feel sympathy for (or even support) the post-Ridgway Pleckgate. You reap what you sow.[/p][/quote]care to elaborate further these cyber walls do have ears which can benefit those being victimised! BlackburnEyes
  • Score: 3

7:33am Thu 8 May 14

schooldinners says...

Nothing specific, to protect the innocent. In two separate appointments within the past twelve months, Ridgway brought in a pair of individuals formed from the same mould as her (the others are a whole separate story). They are implementing a campaign of intimidation, unreasonable demands and victimisation, with one undeserving department especially in the firing line. One can only assume this pair are 'keeping up the good work' in the wildly optimistic dream their idol obtains employment in another school and they are richly rewarded for their loyalty to her agenda.

On the subject of loyalty, Pleckgate as a whole organisation does not value the deep loyalty of its staff - present and past. This is somewhat foolish under the circumstances. With the school in special measures and a staff list which bears little resemblance to that from September 2012, you'd think SLT would actually place great value on those at the front line working their backsides off for the kids, whilst simultaneously attempting to neutralise the damage Ridgway inflicted. This is sadly not the case.
Nothing specific, to protect the innocent. In two separate appointments within the past twelve months, Ridgway brought in a pair of individuals formed from the same mould as her (the others are a whole separate story). They are implementing a campaign of intimidation, unreasonable demands and victimisation, with one undeserving department especially in the firing line. One can only assume this pair are 'keeping up the good work' in the wildly optimistic dream their idol obtains employment in another school and they are richly rewarded for their loyalty to her agenda. On the subject of loyalty, Pleckgate as a whole organisation does not value the deep loyalty of its staff - present and past. This is somewhat foolish under the circumstances. With the school in special measures and a staff list which bears little resemblance to that from September 2012, you'd think SLT would actually place great value on those at the front line working their backsides off for the kids, whilst simultaneously attempting to neutralise the damage Ridgway inflicted. This is sadly not the case. schooldinners
  • Score: 0

11:42am Thu 8 May 14

ladysal says...

woolywords wrote:
Dear Dave Harling,
I've just watched a documentary, on this same internet, that you are reading this upon.
In this doc, it states that, the number of lifeboats that ship, RMS Titanic, could have carried was, 64, giving it the capacity to hold more than the numbers actually ever carried.
Due to a form of the same mismanagement that you oversee, it was decided to have far less. It barely complied with the rules of the day.

Now, I'm not here, to tell you about how, the headlines of the day, printed large, great loss of life, but...
You Sir, are the Captain of this ship of education, that steers a course, on many a childs future..
They sail towards a bright, new future, in the far of land of tomorrow.
In a queer analogy, don't be their, iceberg.

For I will write, large.. Dave Harling, the iceberg, that sank education in Blackburn.
RMS Titanic sank, with 1517 lost, where the nation wept, in tears.
Dave Harling, captained an education system, that ruined lives, that made far more, utterly helpless, in tears.

I am a sword holding man, with killer strokes of some meter;
lacking tutors, in iambic pentameter.
I hold, devine, that child of thine,
that they be taught, better than mine.

Where were taught in wood and plastic,
they are gifted, way more fantastic,
with Teflon and computer bytes,
keeping up, gives me, scary nights.
Then comes our Mr Harling,
knowing what is good, for our little darling.
Do we trust him, with our sprouts,
I've more than, a shedload of doubts.
He has to speak, more clear,
before I'd trust him, with my little dear.

where English is written, with an alcohol gulp.
God save you all, from this thickwits pulp!
I would hope that the "thickwits pulp" you refer to is your own. I've never read such utter incomprehensible drivel since the last time you decided to get all poetic on us.
I particularly like your reference to Dave Harling as the Captain of the ship of eudcation. I suspect that he would adore the opportunity to do whatever he wanted with education in BwD. The slight matter of government policy and funding cuts would have an effect on that I would have thought.
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Dear Dave Harling, I've just watched a documentary, on this same internet, that you are reading this upon. In this doc, it states that, the number of lifeboats that ship, RMS Titanic, could have carried was, 64, giving it the capacity to hold more than the numbers actually ever carried. Due to a form of the same mismanagement that you oversee, it was decided to have far less. It barely complied with the rules of the day. Now, I'm not here, to tell you about how, the headlines of the day, printed large, great loss of life, but... You Sir, are the Captain of this ship of education, that steers a course, on many a childs future.. They sail towards a bright, new future, in the far of land of tomorrow. In a queer analogy, don't be their, iceberg. For I will write, large.. Dave Harling, the iceberg, that sank education in Blackburn. RMS Titanic sank, with 1517 lost, where the nation wept, in tears. Dave Harling, captained an education system, that ruined lives, that made far more, utterly helpless, in tears. I am a sword holding man, with killer strokes of some meter; lacking tutors, in iambic pentameter. I hold, devine, that child of thine, that they be taught, better than mine. Where were taught in wood and plastic, they are gifted, way more fantastic, with Teflon and computer bytes, keeping up, gives me, scary nights. Then comes our Mr Harling, knowing what is good, for our little darling. Do we trust him, with our sprouts, I've more than, a shedload of doubts. He has to speak, more clear, before I'd trust him, with my little dear. where English is written, with an alcohol gulp. God save you all, from this thickwits pulp![/p][/quote]I would hope that the "thickwits pulp" you refer to is your own. I've never read such utter incomprehensible drivel since the last time you decided to get all poetic on us. I particularly like your reference to Dave Harling as the Captain of the ship of eudcation. I suspect that he would adore the opportunity to do whatever he wanted with education in BwD. The slight matter of government policy and funding cuts would have an effect on that I would have thought. ladysal
  • Score: -1

12:14pm Thu 8 May 14

BlackburnEyes says...

schooldinners wrote:
Nothing specific, to protect the innocent. In two separate appointments within the past twelve months, Ridgway brought in a pair of individuals formed from the same mould as her (the others are a whole separate story). They are implementing a campaign of intimidation, unreasonable demands and victimisation, with one undeserving department especially in the firing line. One can only assume this pair are 'keeping up the good work' in the wildly optimistic dream their idol obtains employment in another school and they are richly rewarded for their loyalty to her agenda. On the subject of loyalty, Pleckgate as a whole organisation does not value the deep loyalty of its staff - present and past. This is somewhat foolish under the circumstances. With the school in special measures and a staff list which bears little resemblance to that from September 2012, you'd think SLT would actually place great value on those at the front line working their backsides off for the kids, whilst simultaneously attempting to neutralise the damage Ridgway inflicted. This is sadly not the case.
many thanks....and i can assure you that the previous incumbant will find it difficult to get a TA job, i shall endevour to see to that..!!
[quote][p][bold]schooldinners[/bold] wrote: Nothing specific, to protect the innocent. In two separate appointments within the past twelve months, Ridgway brought in a pair of individuals formed from the same mould as her (the others are a whole separate story). They are implementing a campaign of intimidation, unreasonable demands and victimisation, with one undeserving department especially in the firing line. One can only assume this pair are 'keeping up the good work' in the wildly optimistic dream their idol obtains employment in another school and they are richly rewarded for their loyalty to her agenda. On the subject of loyalty, Pleckgate as a whole organisation does not value the deep loyalty of its staff - present and past. This is somewhat foolish under the circumstances. With the school in special measures and a staff list which bears little resemblance to that from September 2012, you'd think SLT would actually place great value on those at the front line working their backsides off for the kids, whilst simultaneously attempting to neutralise the damage Ridgway inflicted. This is sadly not the case.[/p][/quote]many thanks....and i can assure you that the previous incumbant will find it difficult to get a TA job, i shall endevour to see to that..!! BlackburnEyes
  • Score: 0

6:33pm Thu 8 May 14

tajmahalovertheoldmarket says...

OFSTED inspections are inherently unfair and lead to a potentially inaccurate and misleading assessments . How can an objective assessment of a school take place when the school has been given several days notice of the inspection? OFSTED should simply call unannounced so they can find the school as it really is,warts and all. In the NHS the CQC arrives unannounced, any time, anywhere, any place and they interview the staff and patents to obtain an accurate balanced view. In schools, I am aware of teachers working all weekend prior to an OFSTED inspection to get their house in order. It's like being given the exam paper before the exam.
OFSTED inspections are inherently unfair and lead to a potentially inaccurate and misleading assessments . How can an objective assessment of a school take place when the school has been given several days notice of the inspection? OFSTED should simply call unannounced so they can find the school as it really is,warts and all. In the NHS the CQC arrives unannounced, any time, anywhere, any place and they interview the staff and patents to obtain an accurate balanced view. In schools, I am aware of teachers working all weekend prior to an OFSTED inspection to get their house in order. It's like being given the exam paper before the exam. tajmahalovertheoldmarket
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6:40pm Thu 8 May 14

salvadore says...

tajmahalovertheoldma
rket
wrote:
OFSTED inspections are inherently unfair and lead to a potentially inaccurate and misleading assessments . How can an objective assessment of a school take place when the school has been given several days notice of the inspection? OFSTED should simply call unannounced so they can find the school as it really is,warts and all. In the NHS the CQC arrives unannounced, any time, anywhere, any place and they interview the staff and patents to obtain an accurate balanced view. In schools, I am aware of teachers working all weekend prior to an OFSTED inspection to get their house in order. It's like being given the exam paper before the exam.
They get 1 days notice, this is no time to change the ethos, academic achievement etc. of the school. The inspectors talk to all stakeholders, parents, teachers, governors pupils. If there are issues it always comes out. No hiding from anyone, the inspections are very thorough and any warts are spotted.
[quote][p][bold]tajmahalovertheoldma rket[/bold] wrote: OFSTED inspections are inherently unfair and lead to a potentially inaccurate and misleading assessments . How can an objective assessment of a school take place when the school has been given several days notice of the inspection? OFSTED should simply call unannounced so they can find the school as it really is,warts and all. In the NHS the CQC arrives unannounced, any time, anywhere, any place and they interview the staff and patents to obtain an accurate balanced view. In schools, I am aware of teachers working all weekend prior to an OFSTED inspection to get their house in order. It's like being given the exam paper before the exam.[/p][/quote]They get 1 days notice, this is no time to change the ethos, academic achievement etc. of the school. The inspectors talk to all stakeholders, parents, teachers, governors pupils. If there are issues it always comes out. No hiding from anyone, the inspections are very thorough and any warts are spotted. salvadore
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9:31pm Thu 8 May 14

tajmahalovertheoldmarket says...

salvadore wrote:
tajmahalovertheoldma

rket
wrote:
OFSTED inspections are inherently unfair and lead to a potentially inaccurate and misleading assessments . How can an objective assessment of a school take place when the school has been given several days notice of the inspection? OFSTED should simply call unannounced so they can find the school as it really is,warts and all. In the NHS the CQC arrives unannounced, any time, anywhere, any place and they interview the staff and patents to obtain an accurate balanced view. In schools, I am aware of teachers working all weekend prior to an OFSTED inspection to get their house in order. It's like being given the exam paper before the exam.
They get 1 days notice, this is no time to change the ethos, academic achievement etc. of the school. The inspectors talk to all stakeholders, parents, teachers, governors pupils. If there are issues it always comes out. No hiding from anyone, the inspections are very thorough and any warts are spotted.
Then why should they have any notice whatsoever as per the NHS? Why do the staff work the weekend to make sure the boxes are ticked that they should have ticked before? But on the flip side, salvadore, the OFSTED inspection isVERY flawed - I have a friend who teaches in a State school who had 20 minutes of their lesson judged by an inspector who concluded that the lesson had been a failure, but did not see that the next 10 minutes had been spent ensuring that the stragglers had been brought back up to speed. My friend will now lose her job withing 4 weeks because of this. OFSTED fair? I think not.
[quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tajmahalovertheoldma rket[/bold] wrote: OFSTED inspections are inherently unfair and lead to a potentially inaccurate and misleading assessments . How can an objective assessment of a school take place when the school has been given several days notice of the inspection? OFSTED should simply call unannounced so they can find the school as it really is,warts and all. In the NHS the CQC arrives unannounced, any time, anywhere, any place and they interview the staff and patents to obtain an accurate balanced view. In schools, I am aware of teachers working all weekend prior to an OFSTED inspection to get their house in order. It's like being given the exam paper before the exam.[/p][/quote]They get 1 days notice, this is no time to change the ethos, academic achievement etc. of the school. The inspectors talk to all stakeholders, parents, teachers, governors pupils. If there are issues it always comes out. No hiding from anyone, the inspections are very thorough and any warts are spotted.[/p][/quote]Then why should they have any notice whatsoever as per the NHS? Why do the staff work the weekend to make sure the boxes are ticked that they should have ticked before? But on the flip side, salvadore, the OFSTED inspection isVERY flawed - I have a friend who teaches in a State school who had 20 minutes of their lesson judged by an inspector who concluded that the lesson had been a failure, but did not see that the next 10 minutes had been spent ensuring that the stragglers had been brought back up to speed. My friend will now lose her job withing 4 weeks because of this. OFSTED fair? I think not. tajmahalovertheoldmarket
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4:16pm Fri 9 May 14

salvadore says...

tajmahalovertheoldma
rket
wrote:
salvadore wrote:
tajmahalovertheoldma


rket
wrote:
OFSTED inspections are inherently unfair and lead to a potentially inaccurate and misleading assessments . How can an objective assessment of a school take place when the school has been given several days notice of the inspection? OFSTED should simply call unannounced so they can find the school as it really is,warts and all. In the NHS the CQC arrives unannounced, any time, anywhere, any place and they interview the staff and patents to obtain an accurate balanced view. In schools, I am aware of teachers working all weekend prior to an OFSTED inspection to get their house in order. It's like being given the exam paper before the exam.
They get 1 days notice, this is no time to change the ethos, academic achievement etc. of the school. The inspectors talk to all stakeholders, parents, teachers, governors pupils. If there are issues it always comes out. No hiding from anyone, the inspections are very thorough and any warts are spotted.
Then why should they have any notice whatsoever as per the NHS? Why do the staff work the weekend to make sure the boxes are ticked that they should have ticked before? But on the flip side, salvadore, the OFSTED inspection isVERY flawed - I have a friend who teaches in a State school who had 20 minutes of their lesson judged by an inspector who concluded that the lesson had been a failure, but did not see that the next 10 minutes had been spent ensuring that the stragglers had been brought back up to speed. My friend will now lose her job withing 4 weeks because of this. OFSTED fair? I think not.
I agree ofsted inspection are dictated by the experiences of the inspectors. Ofsted is not perfect, secondly schools should have some notice. what if the school was having a bad day? Or a few children were being unruly the day ofsted walked in unannounced. Would that really be a true reflection of the school? No. It wouldn't as you said it would be unfair way of reporting the schools achievements. As for your friend, sometimes it only takes 20 minutes or less to know if the teaching and learning taking place is any good.
[quote][p][bold]tajmahalovertheoldma rket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tajmahalovertheoldma rket[/bold] wrote: OFSTED inspections are inherently unfair and lead to a potentially inaccurate and misleading assessments . How can an objective assessment of a school take place when the school has been given several days notice of the inspection? OFSTED should simply call unannounced so they can find the school as it really is,warts and all. In the NHS the CQC arrives unannounced, any time, anywhere, any place and they interview the staff and patents to obtain an accurate balanced view. In schools, I am aware of teachers working all weekend prior to an OFSTED inspection to get their house in order. It's like being given the exam paper before the exam.[/p][/quote]They get 1 days notice, this is no time to change the ethos, academic achievement etc. of the school. The inspectors talk to all stakeholders, parents, teachers, governors pupils. If there are issues it always comes out. No hiding from anyone, the inspections are very thorough and any warts are spotted.[/p][/quote]Then why should they have any notice whatsoever as per the NHS? Why do the staff work the weekend to make sure the boxes are ticked that they should have ticked before? But on the flip side, salvadore, the OFSTED inspection isVERY flawed - I have a friend who teaches in a State school who had 20 minutes of their lesson judged by an inspector who concluded that the lesson had been a failure, but did not see that the next 10 minutes had been spent ensuring that the stragglers had been brought back up to speed. My friend will now lose her job withing 4 weeks because of this. OFSTED fair? I think not.[/p][/quote]I agree ofsted inspection are dictated by the experiences of the inspectors. Ofsted is not perfect, secondly schools should have some notice. what if the school was having a bad day? Or a few children were being unruly the day ofsted walked in unannounced. Would that really be a true reflection of the school? No. It wouldn't as you said it would be unfair way of reporting the schools achievements. As for your friend, sometimes it only takes 20 minutes or less to know if the teaching and learning taking place is any good. salvadore
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5:56pm Fri 9 May 14

tajmahalovertheoldmarket says...

salvadore wrote:
tajmahalovertheoldma

rket
wrote:
salvadore wrote:
tajmahalovertheoldma



rket
wrote:
OFSTED inspections are inherently unfair and lead to a potentially inaccurate and misleading assessments . How can an objective assessment of a school take place when the school has been given several days notice of the inspection? OFSTED should simply call unannounced so they can find the school as it really is,warts and all. In the NHS the CQC arrives unannounced, any time, anywhere, any place and they interview the staff and patents to obtain an accurate balanced view. In schools, I am aware of teachers working all weekend prior to an OFSTED inspection to get their house in order. It's like being given the exam paper before the exam.
They get 1 days notice, this is no time to change the ethos, academic achievement etc. of the school. The inspectors talk to all stakeholders, parents, teachers, governors pupils. If there are issues it always comes out. No hiding from anyone, the inspections are very thorough and any warts are spotted.
Then why should they have any notice whatsoever as per the NHS? Why do the staff work the weekend to make sure the boxes are ticked that they should have ticked before? But on the flip side, salvadore, the OFSTED inspection isVERY flawed - I have a friend who teaches in a State school who had 20 minutes of their lesson judged by an inspector who concluded that the lesson had been a failure, but did not see that the next 10 minutes had been spent ensuring that the stragglers had been brought back up to speed. My friend will now lose her job withing 4 weeks because of this. OFSTED fair? I think not.
I agree ofsted inspection are dictated by the experiences of the inspectors. Ofsted is not perfect, secondly schools should have some notice. what if the school was having a bad day? Or a few children were being unruly the day ofsted walked in unannounced. Would that really be a true reflection of the school? No. It wouldn't as you said it would be unfair way of reporting the schools achievements. As for your friend, sometimes it only takes 20 minutes or less to know if the teaching and learning taking place is any good.
It all seems rather unsatisfactory to me to be honest. I'm not sure the current system is fit for purpose. And I agree with your comment about the 20 minutes; I have a feeling my friend (aged 50) may not be able to operate at the level dictated by Gove. At least it's now made clear to new teachers that they will have to work 50+ hours a week and be expected to live to work and not work to live. But you can only operate for a limited amount of time under those pressures so I don't think teaching can be considered a long term career option.
[quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tajmahalovertheoldma rket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tajmahalovertheoldma rket[/bold] wrote: OFSTED inspections are inherently unfair and lead to a potentially inaccurate and misleading assessments . How can an objective assessment of a school take place when the school has been given several days notice of the inspection? OFSTED should simply call unannounced so they can find the school as it really is,warts and all. In the NHS the CQC arrives unannounced, any time, anywhere, any place and they interview the staff and patents to obtain an accurate balanced view. In schools, I am aware of teachers working all weekend prior to an OFSTED inspection to get their house in order. It's like being given the exam paper before the exam.[/p][/quote]They get 1 days notice, this is no time to change the ethos, academic achievement etc. of the school. The inspectors talk to all stakeholders, parents, teachers, governors pupils. If there are issues it always comes out. No hiding from anyone, the inspections are very thorough and any warts are spotted.[/p][/quote]Then why should they have any notice whatsoever as per the NHS? Why do the staff work the weekend to make sure the boxes are ticked that they should have ticked before? But on the flip side, salvadore, the OFSTED inspection isVERY flawed - I have a friend who teaches in a State school who had 20 minutes of their lesson judged by an inspector who concluded that the lesson had been a failure, but did not see that the next 10 minutes had been spent ensuring that the stragglers had been brought back up to speed. My friend will now lose her job withing 4 weeks because of this. OFSTED fair? I think not.[/p][/quote]I agree ofsted inspection are dictated by the experiences of the inspectors. Ofsted is not perfect, secondly schools should have some notice. what if the school was having a bad day? Or a few children were being unruly the day ofsted walked in unannounced. Would that really be a true reflection of the school? No. It wouldn't as you said it would be unfair way of reporting the schools achievements. As for your friend, sometimes it only takes 20 minutes or less to know if the teaching and learning taking place is any good.[/p][/quote]It all seems rather unsatisfactory to me to be honest. I'm not sure the current system is fit for purpose. And I agree with your comment about the 20 minutes; I have a feeling my friend (aged 50) may not be able to operate at the level dictated by Gove. At least it's now made clear to new teachers that they will have to work 50+ hours a week and be expected to live to work and not work to live. But you can only operate for a limited amount of time under those pressures so I don't think teaching can be considered a long term career option. tajmahalovertheoldmarket
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1:10am Sat 10 May 14

salvadore says...

tajmahalovertheoldma
rket
wrote:
salvadore wrote:
tajmahalovertheoldma


rket
wrote:
salvadore wrote:
tajmahalovertheoldma




rket
wrote:
OFSTED inspections are inherently unfair and lead to a potentially inaccurate and misleading assessments . How can an objective assessment of a school take place when the school has been given several days notice of the inspection? OFSTED should simply call unannounced so they can find the school as it really is,warts and all. In the NHS the CQC arrives unannounced, any time, anywhere, any place and they interview the staff and patents to obtain an accurate balanced view. In schools, I am aware of teachers working all weekend prior to an OFSTED inspection to get their house in order. It's like being given the exam paper before the exam.
They get 1 days notice, this is no time to change the ethos, academic achievement etc. of the school. The inspectors talk to all stakeholders, parents, teachers, governors pupils. If there are issues it always comes out. No hiding from anyone, the inspections are very thorough and any warts are spotted.
Then why should they have any notice whatsoever as per the NHS? Why do the staff work the weekend to make sure the boxes are ticked that they should have ticked before? But on the flip side, salvadore, the OFSTED inspection isVERY flawed - I have a friend who teaches in a State school who had 20 minutes of their lesson judged by an inspector who concluded that the lesson had been a failure, but did not see that the next 10 minutes had been spent ensuring that the stragglers had been brought back up to speed. My friend will now lose her job withing 4 weeks because of this. OFSTED fair? I think not.
I agree ofsted inspection are dictated by the experiences of the inspectors. Ofsted is not perfect, secondly schools should have some notice. what if the school was having a bad day? Or a few children were being unruly the day ofsted walked in unannounced. Would that really be a true reflection of the school? No. It wouldn't as you said it would be unfair way of reporting the schools achievements. As for your friend, sometimes it only takes 20 minutes or less to know if the teaching and learning taking place is any good.
It all seems rather unsatisfactory to me to be honest. I'm not sure the current system is fit for purpose. And I agree with your comment about the 20 minutes; I have a feeling my friend (aged 50) may not be able to operate at the level dictated by Gove. At least it's now made clear to new teachers that they will have to work 50+ hours a week and be expected to live to work and not work to live. But you can only operate for a limited amount of time under those pressures so I don't think teaching can be considered a long term career option.
One thing just hit me your name tajmahalovertheold market. I remember that restaraunt as a kid, infact I was thinking about it the other day. Brings back memories, didn't ever eat there just hung around with mates near there. Where you part of the restaurant?
[quote][p][bold]tajmahalovertheoldma rket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tajmahalovertheoldma rket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tajmahalovertheoldma rket[/bold] wrote: OFSTED inspections are inherently unfair and lead to a potentially inaccurate and misleading assessments . How can an objective assessment of a school take place when the school has been given several days notice of the inspection? OFSTED should simply call unannounced so they can find the school as it really is,warts and all. In the NHS the CQC arrives unannounced, any time, anywhere, any place and they interview the staff and patents to obtain an accurate balanced view. In schools, I am aware of teachers working all weekend prior to an OFSTED inspection to get their house in order. It's like being given the exam paper before the exam.[/p][/quote]They get 1 days notice, this is no time to change the ethos, academic achievement etc. of the school. The inspectors talk to all stakeholders, parents, teachers, governors pupils. If there are issues it always comes out. No hiding from anyone, the inspections are very thorough and any warts are spotted.[/p][/quote]Then why should they have any notice whatsoever as per the NHS? Why do the staff work the weekend to make sure the boxes are ticked that they should have ticked before? But on the flip side, salvadore, the OFSTED inspection isVERY flawed - I have a friend who teaches in a State school who had 20 minutes of their lesson judged by an inspector who concluded that the lesson had been a failure, but did not see that the next 10 minutes had been spent ensuring that the stragglers had been brought back up to speed. My friend will now lose her job withing 4 weeks because of this. OFSTED fair? I think not.[/p][/quote]I agree ofsted inspection are dictated by the experiences of the inspectors. Ofsted is not perfect, secondly schools should have some notice. what if the school was having a bad day? Or a few children were being unruly the day ofsted walked in unannounced. Would that really be a true reflection of the school? No. It wouldn't as you said it would be unfair way of reporting the schools achievements. As for your friend, sometimes it only takes 20 minutes or less to know if the teaching and learning taking place is any good.[/p][/quote]It all seems rather unsatisfactory to me to be honest. I'm not sure the current system is fit for purpose. And I agree with your comment about the 20 minutes; I have a feeling my friend (aged 50) may not be able to operate at the level dictated by Gove. At least it's now made clear to new teachers that they will have to work 50+ hours a week and be expected to live to work and not work to live. But you can only operate for a limited amount of time under those pressures so I don't think teaching can be considered a long term career option.[/p][/quote]One thing just hit me your name tajmahalovertheold market. I remember that restaraunt as a kid, infact I was thinking about it the other day. Brings back memories, didn't ever eat there just hung around with mates near there. Where you part of the restaurant? salvadore
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11:17am Sat 10 May 14

tajmahalovertheoldmarket says...

salvadore wrote:
tajmahalovertheoldma

rket
wrote:
salvadore wrote:
tajmahalovertheoldma



rket
wrote:
salvadore wrote:
tajmahalovertheoldma





rket
wrote:
OFSTED inspections are inherently unfair and lead to a potentially inaccurate and misleading assessments . How can an objective assessment of a school take place when the school has been given several days notice of the inspection? OFSTED should simply call unannounced so they can find the school as it really is,warts and all. In the NHS the CQC arrives unannounced, any time, anywhere, any place and they interview the staff and patents to obtain an accurate balanced view. In schools, I am aware of teachers working all weekend prior to an OFSTED inspection to get their house in order. It's like being given the exam paper before the exam.
They get 1 days notice, this is no time to change the ethos, academic achievement etc. of the school. The inspectors talk to all stakeholders, parents, teachers, governors pupils. If there are issues it always comes out. No hiding from anyone, the inspections are very thorough and any warts are spotted.
Then why should they have any notice whatsoever as per the NHS? Why do the staff work the weekend to make sure the boxes are ticked that they should have ticked before? But on the flip side, salvadore, the OFSTED inspection isVERY flawed - I have a friend who teaches in a State school who had 20 minutes of their lesson judged by an inspector who concluded that the lesson had been a failure, but did not see that the next 10 minutes had been spent ensuring that the stragglers had been brought back up to speed. My friend will now lose her job withing 4 weeks because of this. OFSTED fair? I think not.
I agree ofsted inspection are dictated by the experiences of the inspectors. Ofsted is not perfect, secondly schools should have some notice. what if the school was having a bad day? Or a few children were being unruly the day ofsted walked in unannounced. Would that really be a true reflection of the school? No. It wouldn't as you said it would be unfair way of reporting the schools achievements. As for your friend, sometimes it only takes 20 minutes or less to know if the teaching and learning taking place is any good.
It all seems rather unsatisfactory to me to be honest. I'm not sure the current system is fit for purpose. And I agree with your comment about the 20 minutes; I have a feeling my friend (aged 50) may not be able to operate at the level dictated by Gove. At least it's now made clear to new teachers that they will have to work 50+ hours a week and be expected to live to work and not work to live. But you can only operate for a limited amount of time under those pressures so I don't think teaching can be considered a long term career option.
One thing just hit me your name tajmahalovertheold market. I remember that restaraunt as a kid, infact I was thinking about it the other day. Brings back memories, didn't ever eat there just hung around with mates near there. Where you part of the restaurant?
I didn't ever have anything to do with the restaurant apart from eating there a few times some time ago. But it will always be a fond memory as it was the first thing I noticed about Blackburn when I arrived here to work at Mullards 29 years ago. Alas both Mullards and the Taj Mahal are long gone. But the Taj Mahal will live on in my LET user name!
[quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tajmahalovertheoldma rket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tajmahalovertheoldma rket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tajmahalovertheoldma rket[/bold] wrote: OFSTED inspections are inherently unfair and lead to a potentially inaccurate and misleading assessments . How can an objective assessment of a school take place when the school has been given several days notice of the inspection? OFSTED should simply call unannounced so they can find the school as it really is,warts and all. In the NHS the CQC arrives unannounced, any time, anywhere, any place and they interview the staff and patents to obtain an accurate balanced view. In schools, I am aware of teachers working all weekend prior to an OFSTED inspection to get their house in order. It's like being given the exam paper before the exam.[/p][/quote]They get 1 days notice, this is no time to change the ethos, academic achievement etc. of the school. The inspectors talk to all stakeholders, parents, teachers, governors pupils. If there are issues it always comes out. No hiding from anyone, the inspections are very thorough and any warts are spotted.[/p][/quote]Then why should they have any notice whatsoever as per the NHS? Why do the staff work the weekend to make sure the boxes are ticked that they should have ticked before? But on the flip side, salvadore, the OFSTED inspection isVERY flawed - I have a friend who teaches in a State school who had 20 minutes of their lesson judged by an inspector who concluded that the lesson had been a failure, but did not see that the next 10 minutes had been spent ensuring that the stragglers had been brought back up to speed. My friend will now lose her job withing 4 weeks because of this. OFSTED fair? I think not.[/p][/quote]I agree ofsted inspection are dictated by the experiences of the inspectors. Ofsted is not perfect, secondly schools should have some notice. what if the school was having a bad day? Or a few children were being unruly the day ofsted walked in unannounced. Would that really be a true reflection of the school? No. It wouldn't as you said it would be unfair way of reporting the schools achievements. As for your friend, sometimes it only takes 20 minutes or less to know if the teaching and learning taking place is any good.[/p][/quote]It all seems rather unsatisfactory to me to be honest. I'm not sure the current system is fit for purpose. And I agree with your comment about the 20 minutes; I have a feeling my friend (aged 50) may not be able to operate at the level dictated by Gove. At least it's now made clear to new teachers that they will have to work 50+ hours a week and be expected to live to work and not work to live. But you can only operate for a limited amount of time under those pressures so I don't think teaching can be considered a long term career option.[/p][/quote]One thing just hit me your name tajmahalovertheold market. I remember that restaraunt as a kid, infact I was thinking about it the other day. Brings back memories, didn't ever eat there just hung around with mates near there. Where you part of the restaurant?[/p][/quote]I didn't ever have anything to do with the restaurant apart from eating there a few times some time ago. But it will always be a fond memory as it was the first thing I noticed about Blackburn when I arrived here to work at Mullards 29 years ago. Alas both Mullards and the Taj Mahal are long gone. But the Taj Mahal will live on in my LET user name! tajmahalovertheoldmarket
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