"Legal high" mephedrone to be banned following a campaign by The Press

Press reporter Jennifer Bell hands over the petition calling for a ban on mephedrone at 10 Downing Street. Picture: Stefan Rousseau/PA

Press reporter Jennifer Bell hands over the petition calling for a ban on mephedrone at 10 Downing Street. Picture: Stefan Rousseau/PA

First published in News Lancashire Telegraph: Photograph of the Author by , jennifer.bell@thepress.co.uk

Updated:The Press has won its campaign to ban the danger drug mephedrone.

The announcement by Home Secretary Alan Johnson to outlaw the so-called “legal high” was made only hours after The Press handed in a petition to 10 Downing Street to get the drug banned.

Mephedrone, also known as m-cat and meow meow, will become a class B drug in the next few weeks, meaning the maximum sentence for possession will be five years, while supplying it could lead to a 14-year jail sentence. This should force the closure of the numerous websites which offer the drug for sale under the pretext of selling it as a plant fertiliser.

Importing the drug to Britain has been outlawed with immediate effect.

The handover of our 700-name dossier was backed by Selby MP John Grogan and Scarborough and Whitby MP Robert Goodwill.

The Press’s role in highlighting the potentially devastating effects of the drug was praised by Mr Grogan, who said: “The Press was one of the first media outlets to report the dangers of this drug, and it’s fitting that the petition was handed over on the very same day the Advisory Council for the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD) called for the substance to be banned.

“The Press has led the way in their reporting of this drug and spotting the danger of the substance and its prevalence.

“I am pleased that the efforts of The Press, the hundreds of people who signed their petition and many others has prompted resolution.”

Mr Goodwill said: “It is fantastic news that Government advisors have finally taken action, although I do not know why so many deaths had to happen before something was done. I hope if something similar occurs in the future more immediate action will be taken.”

The move to criminalise the substance, which has been linked to a number of deaths, including that of Lois Waters, 24, from Norton, was welcomed by Coun Carol Runciman, executive member for children and young people’s services at City of York Council.

She said: “I’m pleased the Government has acted quickly to ban mephedrone and that The Press’s campaign has been effective.

“However, I know it’s likely mephedrone will still be available, and I would warn young people that it’s a dangerous drug and their friends and family to be on the alert for any signs they are taking the drug, such as paranoia and anxiety.”

Paul Johnson, North Yorkshire Police’s drugs co-ordinator, also welcomed the imminent ban, saying: “Obviously the ACMD has deliberated and decided it needs to be midway within the class of severity.

“It (the imminent ban) gives us powers of arrest to deal with the dealers and appropriately respond to possession and use. Hopefully, it will end the belief that because something is legal it’s harmless. We don’t want to wait to find out about the damaged lives.

“The only safe drug is the drug you don’t take.”

Speaking at the Home Office after talks with Professor Les Iversen, the chairman of the ACMD, the Home Secretary said he had accepted the group’s advice. The ban will cover not just mephedrone, but all similar substances in a group called cathinones, Mr Johnson said. It is likely to come into force by the end of April.

He said: “The Government is determined to crack down on these so-called legal highs, and we must all play a part in ensuring children and young people know about their dangers.”


At the forefront of efforts to ban this wrecker of young lives

THE crusade to outlaw the danger drug mephedrone was spearheaded by The Press. We launched our campaign, The Menace Of Mephedrone, in January following the collapse of a 17-year-old student who had taken the drug at Woldgate College in Pocklington.

Since then, hundreds of people have backed our campaign, including the families of Scunthorpe teenagers Louis Wainwright, 18, and Nicholas Smith, 19, and 24-year-old Lois Waters, of Norton, all of whom died after taking it.

Our campaign has also won backing from politicians of all parties, teachers, health workers, police and drugs workers.

Serious questions were raised about whether ministers would have time before the election to pass a ban after the departure of Dr Polly Taylor, the drug advisory council’s veterinary expert.

She quit yesterday morning, criticising ministers’ failure to properly consider scientific evidence before taking decisions.

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8:22am Tue 30 Mar 10

TooRad says...

TooRad wrote:
Let me be the first to say kudos and big re-speck to our campaigning local paper for this massive victory. Let's face it without their endless dedication to creativity of truth and those all-important 700 signatures, I think it could have gone the other way - it was looking like the home
office were actually going to make Mephedrone compulsory. For kids. With their breaktime milk.
Thank goodness the lobbying behemoth that is The Press wielded the power of its huge support and intervened before it was too late.
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Right, now that I've said all that I need to get busy with my own campaign which I've started.
For your information I'm campaigning for the sun to rise in the morning, I've heard that night can make your arms and legs go purple and you could collapse from it if you also down a bottle of white lightning, some valium and put a bag on your head which you previously filled with gas from the hob. And some anthrax.
Support is pouring in to my headquarters, so far there's the milkman and that old lady who does the flowers at the church.
I'm confident of my impending victory.

The above version of the article is even more self-congratulatory and creative with the truth than usual. The blessing will be that with this one last big Press delusion maybe now we'll all get a break from the lies and we won't have to be subjected to the daily twisting of reality and blatant agenda pushing.
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Paul Johnson, North Yorkshire Police’s drugs co-ordinator said:
The only safe drug is the drug you don’t take

Nope. Absolutely untrue. Looks like Nancy Reagan is alive and well and living in North Yorkshire.
When you have drugs workers perpetuating lies like this, what hope for a society driven by instinct to explore their consciousness? No wonder we're in such a mess.
[quote]TooRad wrote: Let me be the first to say kudos and big re-speck to our campaigning local paper for this massive victory. Let's face it without their endless dedication to creativity of truth and those all-important 700 signatures, I think it could have gone the other way - it was looking like the home office were actually going to make Mephedrone compulsory. For kids. With their breaktime milk. Thank goodness the lobbying behemoth that is The Press wielded the power of its huge support and intervened before it was too late. . Right, now that I've said all that I need to get busy with my own campaign which I've started. For your information I'm campaigning for the sun to rise in the morning, I've heard that night can make your arms and legs go purple and you could collapse from it if you also down a bottle of white lightning, some valium and put a bag on your head which you previously filled with gas from the hob. And some anthrax. Support is pouring in to my headquarters, so far there's the milkman and that old lady who does the flowers at the church. I'm confident of my impending victory.[/quote] The above version of the article is even more self-congratulatory and creative with the truth than usual. The blessing will be that with this one last big Press delusion maybe now we'll all get a break from the lies and we won't have to be subjected to the daily twisting of reality and blatant agenda pushing. . Paul Johnson, North Yorkshire Police’s drugs co-ordinator said: [quote]The only safe drug is the drug you don’t take[/quote] Nope. Absolutely untrue. Looks like Nancy Reagan is alive and well and living in North Yorkshire. When you have drugs workers perpetuating lies like this, what hope for a society driven by instinct to explore their consciousness? No wonder we're in such a mess. TooRad
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8:24am Tue 30 Mar 10

hesmanes says...

It won't be long before we're living in a society of that from the film 'Equilibrium'
It won't be long before we're living in a society of that from the film 'Equilibrium' hesmanes
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8:55am Tue 30 Mar 10

jez b says...

Yes all down to The Press. What a wonderful paper it is.
Yes all down to The Press. What a wonderful paper it is. jez b
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9:03am Tue 30 Mar 10

AdmiralNN says...

I dont think ive ever read so much guff!
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Ridiculous.
I dont think ive ever read so much guff! ' Ridiculous. AdmiralNN
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9:06am Tue 30 Mar 10

Silver says...

Woohoo knee jerk reaction to possible threat which is built up by mythos to be even worse then cocaine. Throw in some stupid stuff about limbs going purple, then mix in some idiocy and ignorance. And voila instead of taking the correct steps to make sure this thing is dangerous or better yet to fully ban all chemical variants of it, Nah we'll just put out a ban on this chemical variant. Lets see how quickly the chemical labs they make this stuff in can produce another version of it that'll be given the status of legal high, oh and make this stuff now available to drug dealers as it'll be worth something to then now.
Woohoo knee jerk reaction to possible threat which is built up by mythos to be even worse then cocaine. Throw in some stupid stuff about limbs going purple, then mix in some idiocy and ignorance. And voila instead of taking the correct steps to make sure this thing is dangerous or better yet to fully ban all chemical variants of it, Nah we'll just put out a ban on this chemical variant. Lets see how quickly the chemical labs they make this stuff in can produce another version of it that'll be given the status of legal high, oh and make this stuff now available to drug dealers as it'll be worth something to then now. Silver
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9:16am Tue 30 Mar 10

Garrowby Turnoff says...

jez b wrote:
Yes all down to The Press. What a wonderful paper it is.
It was my support that tipped the balance!
[quote][p][bold]jez b[/bold] wrote: Yes all down to The Press. What a wonderful paper it is.[/p][/quote]It was my support that tipped the balance! Garrowby Turnoff
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9:19am Tue 30 Mar 10

peepod says...

Yes, well done the press, all down to you!! Thanks to you, mephedrone will now go underground and make money for dealers. Maybe people will stop using it once it's illigal, just like people don't use cocaine and heroin! The one thing those people who have died from 'mephedrone' have in common is they all took a cocktail of other substances such as alcohol and canabis. A cocktail of alcohol and paracetamol can kill. Any cocktail/misuse of drugs can kill, it's not the drug, it's the attitude and use of the drug by the user. Making it illigal will make it uncontrolled, push it underground and make it more dangerous.
Yes, well done the press, all down to you!! Thanks to you, mephedrone will now go underground and make money for dealers. Maybe people will stop using it once it's illigal, just like people don't use cocaine and heroin! The one thing those people who have died from 'mephedrone' have in common is they all took a cocktail of other substances such as alcohol and canabis. A cocktail of alcohol and paracetamol can kill. Any cocktail/misuse of drugs can kill, it's not the drug, it's the attitude and use of the drug by the user. Making it illigal will make it uncontrolled, push it underground and make it more dangerous. peepod
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9:37am Tue 30 Mar 10

AngryandFrustrated says...

TooRad wrote:
TooRad wrote: Let me be the first to say kudos and big re-speck to our campaigning local paper for this massive victory. Let's face it without their endless dedication to creativity of truth and those all-important 700 signatures, I think it could have gone the other way - it was looking like the home office were actually going to make Mephedrone compulsory. For kids. With their breaktime milk. Thank goodness the lobbying behemoth that is The Press wielded the power of its huge support and intervened before it was too late. . Right, now that I've said all that I need to get busy with my own campaign which I've started. For your information I'm campaigning for the sun to rise in the morning, I've heard that night can make your arms and legs go purple and you could collapse from it if you also down a bottle of white lightning, some valium and put a bag on your head which you previously filled with gas from the hob. And some anthrax. Support is pouring in to my headquarters, so far there's the milkman and that old lady who does the flowers at the church. I'm confident of my impending victory.
The above version of the article is even more self-congratulatory and creative with the truth than usual. The blessing will be that with this one last big Press delusion maybe now we'll all get a break from the lies and we won't have to be subjected to the daily twisting of reality and blatant agenda pushing. . Paul Johnson, North Yorkshire Police’s drugs co-ordinator said:
The only safe drug is the drug you don’t take
Nope. Absolutely untrue. Looks like Nancy Reagan is alive and well and living in North Yorkshire. When you have drugs workers perpetuating lies like this, what hope for a society driven by instinct to explore their consciousness? No wonder we're in such a mess.
Excellent posting - says it all really!!

To the Editors of the Press - you are DELUDED (apologies for shouting!) if you think the banning of this drug had anything to do with you. I'll bet £100 that the boffins at Westminster, if questioned, would have never heard of you or your paper!! Yes, you started a campaign but I suspect that the ban came in because of the hysteria whipped up by the likes of the Daily Mail and Express and, sadly, not the presentation of 700 signatures. Of course Mr Grogan is praising you - there's a general election approaching and I very much suspect that he will want an "open ear" in the paper in the run up to the election!
[quote][p][bold]TooRad[/bold] wrote: [quote]TooRad wrote: Let me be the first to say kudos and big re-speck to our campaigning local paper for this massive victory. Let's face it without their endless dedication to creativity of truth and those all-important 700 signatures, I think it could have gone the other way - it was looking like the home office were actually going to make Mephedrone compulsory. For kids. With their breaktime milk. Thank goodness the lobbying behemoth that is The Press wielded the power of its huge support and intervened before it was too late. . Right, now that I've said all that I need to get busy with my own campaign which I've started. For your information I'm campaigning for the sun to rise in the morning, I've heard that night can make your arms and legs go purple and you could collapse from it if you also down a bottle of white lightning, some valium and put a bag on your head which you previously filled with gas from the hob. And some anthrax. Support is pouring in to my headquarters, so far there's the milkman and that old lady who does the flowers at the church. I'm confident of my impending victory.[/quote] The above version of the article is even more self-congratulatory and creative with the truth than usual. The blessing will be that with this one last big Press delusion maybe now we'll all get a break from the lies and we won't have to be subjected to the daily twisting of reality and blatant agenda pushing. . Paul Johnson, North Yorkshire Police’s drugs co-ordinator said: [quote]The only safe drug is the drug you don’t take[/quote] Nope. Absolutely untrue. Looks like Nancy Reagan is alive and well and living in North Yorkshire. When you have drugs workers perpetuating lies like this, what hope for a society driven by instinct to explore their consciousness? No wonder we're in such a mess.[/p][/quote]Excellent posting - says it all really!! To the Editors of the Press - you are DELUDED (apologies for shouting!) if you think the banning of this drug had anything to do with you. I'll bet £100 that the boffins at Westminster, if questioned, would have never heard of you or your paper!! Yes, you started a campaign but I suspect that the ban came in because of the hysteria whipped up by the likes of the Daily Mail and Express and, sadly, not the presentation of 700 signatures. Of course Mr Grogan is praising you - there's a general election approaching and I very much suspect that he will want an "open ear" in the paper in the run up to the election! AngryandFrustrated
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9:42am Tue 30 Mar 10

sciencefan says...

I would just like to throw my support behind TooRad's campaign.

Simply because there is more fact in it as there has been in the whole of this Press campaign.

Mr Hughes, you should be really worried about te reaction you have had to this campaign. What worries me is I bet you have no idea whats been going on.....
I would just like to throw my support behind TooRad's campaign. Simply because there is more fact in it as there has been in the whole of this Press campaign. Mr Hughes, you should be really worried about te reaction you have had to this campaign. What worries me is I bet you have no idea whats been going on..... sciencefan
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9:50am Tue 30 Mar 10

LittleTed says...

So, thanks to The Press we all have to be even more worried about the crime rate rising due to teens etc trying to get the cash to pay the extortionate prices that dealers will now charge for this now even more popular drug.
Well done The Press!
So, thanks to The Press we all have to be even more worried about the crime rate rising due to teens etc trying to get the cash to pay the extortionate prices that dealers will now charge for this now even more popular drug. Well done The Press! LittleTed
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10:02am Tue 30 Mar 10

hifive says...

Congratulations Press! Now teenagers can go down a scary dark alley and buy it from a dodgy pikey who might rob them instead of from their living room! We're all safe thanks to you - yes, you single handedly! All it took was 700 deluded people from Yorkshire! Now to ban Demestos - it's readily available and has "not for human consumption" written on the bottle so why the hell not?!
Congratulations Press! Now teenagers can go down a scary dark alley and buy it from a dodgy pikey who might rob them instead of from their living room! We're all safe thanks to you - yes, you single handedly! All it took was 700 deluded people from Yorkshire! Now to ban Demestos - it's readily available and has "not for human consumption" written on the bottle so why the hell not?! hifive
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10:03am Tue 30 Mar 10

Theendoftheworld says...

Looks like I'm going to be the fly in the ointment again for al you pseudo-itellectuals. I'm glad the drug is going to be banned whether it's as a result of the Press campaign or not. Anything that might make the future safer for my young grandson is welcome in my eyes.
Oh and TooRad, were you actually quoting yourself? Not really self-important.
Looks like I'm going to be the fly in the ointment again for al you pseudo-itellectuals. I'm glad the drug is going to be banned whether it's as a result of the Press campaign or not. Anything that might make the future safer for my young grandson is welcome in my eyes. Oh and TooRad, were you actually quoting yourself? Not really self-important. Theendoftheworld
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10:03am Tue 30 Mar 10

Silver says...

LittleTed wrote:
So, thanks to The Press we all have to be even more worried about the crime rate rising due to teens etc trying to get the cash to pay the extortionate prices that dealers will now charge for this now even more popular drug. Well done The Press!
Well not for a few weeks anyway after all the dealers have to start buying the stuff online whilst it's cheap and easy to get access too.
[quote][p][bold]LittleTed[/bold] wrote: So, thanks to The Press we all have to be even more worried about the crime rate rising due to teens etc trying to get the cash to pay the extortionate prices that dealers will now charge for this now even more popular drug. Well done The Press![/p][/quote]Well not for a few weeks anyway after all the dealers have to start buying the stuff online whilst it's cheap and easy to get access too. Silver
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10:04am Tue 30 Mar 10

sheps lad says...

Is York populated by smackheads??
Comments please.
Is York populated by smackheads?? Comments please. sheps lad
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10:07am Tue 30 Mar 10

Paula_T says...

the arrogance of the press never ceases to amaze me....now I wonder what campaign they are going to start next, maybe one of a more balanced rag would be good.
the arrogance of the press never ceases to amaze me....now I wonder what campaign they are going to start next, maybe one of a more balanced rag would be good. Paula_T
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10:09am Tue 30 Mar 10

Jassy says...

Theendoftheworld wrote:
Looks like I'm going to be the fly in the ointment again for al you pseudo-itellectuals. I'm glad the drug is going to be banned whether it's as a result of the Press campaign or not. Anything that might make the future safer for my young grandson is welcome in my eyes.
Oh and TooRad, were you actually quoting yourself? Not really self-important.
Could you enlighten us on examples of where a ban of any drug has made your grandsons future safer?
[quote][p][bold]Theendoftheworld[/bold] wrote: Looks like I'm going to be the fly in the ointment again for al you pseudo-itellectuals. I'm glad the drug is going to be banned whether it's as a result of the Press campaign or not. Anything that might make the future safer for my young grandson is welcome in my eyes. Oh and TooRad, were you actually quoting yourself? Not really self-important.[/p][/quote]Could you enlighten us on examples of where a ban of any drug has made your grandsons future safer? Jassy
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10:09am Tue 30 Mar 10

Theendoftheworld says...

Yeah sheps lad - most of them contributors on here!
Yeah sheps lad - most of them contributors on here! Theendoftheworld
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10:13am Tue 30 Mar 10

Theendoftheworld says...

Jassy, I know a ban doesn't stop kids getting hold of drugs but surely surely making it harder to get them must help a bit?
Jassy, I know a ban doesn't stop kids getting hold of drugs but surely surely making it harder to get them must help a bit? Theendoftheworld
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10:16am Tue 30 Mar 10

Hieronymous says...

Perhaps I was hallucinating, but I'm sure I heard a "Government Spokesman" say on the Today Programme this morning that no decision had been taken - or could be taken - until a proper scientific study had been carried out. Of course the Government may already have made up its mind anyway - in which case I suppose the Press (and other media) may well have had something to do with it - ironically.
Perhaps I was hallucinating, but I'm sure I heard a "Government Spokesman" say on the Today Programme this morning that no decision had been taken - or could be taken - until a proper scientific study had been carried out. Of course the Government may already have made up its mind anyway - in which case I suppose the Press (and other media) may well have had something to do with it - ironically. Hieronymous
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10:17am Tue 30 Mar 10

Paula_T says...

heroin, cocaine, amphetamine, ecstasy, all so called banned drugs but it does not stop people from taking it.
heroin, cocaine, amphetamine, ecstasy, all so called banned drugs but it does not stop people from taking it. Paula_T
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10:17am Tue 30 Mar 10

hifive says...

Theendoftheworld wrote:
Yeah sheps lad - most of them contributors on here!
So either you agree with the Press campaign or you're a smackhead? And I'm one of the pseudo intellectuals? Get a grip. And if you're concerned for your grandson's future, do your own research and don't be so ignorant to the world in which you live.
[quote][p][bold]Theendoftheworld[/bold] wrote: Yeah sheps lad - most of them contributors on here![/p][/quote]So either you agree with the Press campaign or you're a smackhead? And I'm one of the pseudo intellectuals? Get a grip. And if you're concerned for your grandson's future, do your own research and don't be so ignorant to the world in which you live. hifive
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10:23am Tue 30 Mar 10

xmob says...

No. Good parenting does that.

Passing the blame is the new culture of this country, and look where it's got us!

(My captcha was "some-push". Is somebody having a laugh?!?)
No. Good parenting does that. Passing the blame is the new culture of this country, and look where it's got us! (My captcha was "some-push". Is somebody having a laugh?!?) xmob
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10:25am Tue 30 Mar 10

Silver says...

Theendoftheworld wrote:
Jassy, I know a ban doesn't stop kids getting hold of drugs but surely surely making it harder to get them must help a bit?
Legal highs get banned all the time they just make a new version with a slight twist in the chemical make up of it. Usually by just adding a hydrogen atom you've produced a new one or an oxygen atom. Then you'd mephredoneoxide or some other name but it would have the same effect. Banning them the way we currently are is having little effect and what needs to be done is to shut down the labs where they make and research this stuff. Anything else is a waste of time.
[quote][p][bold]Theendoftheworld[/bold] wrote: Jassy, I know a ban doesn't stop kids getting hold of drugs but surely surely making it harder to get them must help a bit?[/p][/quote]Legal highs get banned all the time they just make a new version with a slight twist in the chemical make up of it. Usually by just adding a hydrogen atom you've produced a new one or an oxygen atom. Then you'd mephredoneoxide or some other name but it would have the same effect. Banning them the way we currently are is having little effect and what needs to be done is to shut down the labs where they make and research this stuff. Anything else is a waste of time. Silver
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10:25am Tue 30 Mar 10

xmob says...

Theendoftheworld wrote:
Jassy, I know a ban doesn't stop kids getting hold of drugs but surely surely making it harder to get them must help a bit?
No. Good parenting does that.

Passing the blame is the new culture of this country, and look where it's got us!

(Stupid web site! Had to repost with a relevant quote.)
[quote][p][bold]Theendoftheworld[/bold] wrote: Jassy, I know a ban doesn't stop kids getting hold of drugs but surely surely making it harder to get them must help a bit?[/p][/quote]No. Good parenting does that. Passing the blame is the new culture of this country, and look where it's got us! (Stupid web site! Had to repost with a relevant quote.) xmob
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10:38am Tue 30 Mar 10

peepod says...

Theendoftheworld wrote:
Jassy, I know a ban doesn't stop kids getting hold of drugs but surely surely making it harder to get them must help a bit?
Making it illigal makes it uncontrolled and more harmful. It pushes it underground and increases crime. What kills people is a lack of understanding and misuse of drugs not the drugs themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Theendoftheworld[/bold] wrote: Jassy, I know a ban doesn't stop kids getting hold of drugs but surely surely making it harder to get them must help a bit?[/p][/quote]Making it illigal makes it uncontrolled and more harmful. It pushes it underground and increases crime. What kills people is a lack of understanding and misuse of drugs not the drugs themselves. peepod
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10:46am Tue 30 Mar 10

BL2 says...

The suppliers already have new variety's ready - complete waste of time. Banning something does not solve the problem.


An investigation has uncovered the chain of supply from Chinese factories producing the drug, also known as miaow, to British dealers.

An entire new generation of chemical highs including substances such as methylone, butylone and MDPV has been discovered by the Sky News investigation.

All of the drugs mimic the effects of illegal substances such as cocaine and ecstasy.

Posing as a potential customer, a reporter contacted a Shanghai-based company and was told by a worker that the company makes both mephedrone and methylene "in batches – 100 kilograms, 200 kilograms, 50 kilograms, whatever the customer wants".

The worker went on to reveal that the company already has five British customers, "two of them big ones".

She said: "One of them orders 50 to 100 kilograms a week. The other one orders 50 kilograms of mephedrone a month, and 40 kilograms of methylene."

Asked whether a British ban on mephedrone would cause problems for their business, the worker said the company was already well prepared.

"We're working on five or six new legal products," she said. "Most of them come from our British customers. They told us how to make the new ones."

Toxicologist Dr John Ramsey told Sky: "We're seeing 10 or 11 new compounds every year coming out now.

"The Chinese chemical industry seems to provide anything at a price. So if somebody here orders something they'll either synthesise it or have it in stock and they'll send it regardless of what it's to be used for."

The suppliers already have new variety's ready - complete waste of time. Banning something does not solve the problem. [quote] An investigation has uncovered the chain of supply from Chinese factories producing the drug, also known as miaow, to British dealers. An entire new generation of chemical highs including substances such as methylone, butylone and MDPV has been discovered by the Sky News investigation. All of the drugs mimic the effects of illegal substances such as cocaine and ecstasy. Posing as a potential customer, a reporter contacted a Shanghai-based company and was told by a worker that the company makes both mephedrone and methylene "in batches – 100 kilograms, 200 kilograms, 50 kilograms, whatever the customer wants". The worker went on to reveal that the company already has five British customers, "two of them big ones". She said: "One of them orders 50 to 100 kilograms a week. The other one orders 50 kilograms of mephedrone a month, and 40 kilograms of methylene." Asked whether a British ban on mephedrone would cause problems for their business, the worker said the company was already well prepared. "We're working on five or six new legal products," she said. "Most of them come from our British customers. They told us how to make the new ones." Toxicologist Dr John Ramsey told Sky: "We're seeing 10 or 11 new compounds every year coming out now. "The Chinese chemical industry seems to provide anything at a price. So if somebody here orders something they'll either synthesise it or have it in stock and they'll send it regardless of what it's to be used for." [/quote] BL2
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11:11am Tue 30 Mar 10

marvell says...

Great to see that almost everyone has picked up on what an extraordinary amount of self aggrandizing guff The Press spouts.

The Press were not responsible for banning of this substance - they played a miniscule part in a far bigger national campaign. As for politicians praising The Press - what do you expect them to say - "You're just another Tory rag in the same ilk as that hateful publication The Daily Mail..." It's General Election time remember - they'l do anything for votes...
Great to see that almost everyone has picked up on what an extraordinary amount of self aggrandizing guff The Press spouts. The Press were not responsible for banning of this substance - they played a miniscule part in a far bigger national campaign. As for politicians praising The Press - what do you expect them to say - "You're just another Tory rag in the same ilk as that hateful publication The Daily Mail..." It's General Election time remember - they'l do anything for votes... marvell
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12:35pm Tue 30 Mar 10

condor1026 says...

It is with almost sick fascination that I find myself wasting my life reading this small town, backward thinking chip wrapper. The most amazing part of it all, are some of the comments from such ill informed members of our very small York community, (theendoftheworld springs instantly to mind), who seem to be almost completely ignorant of how the modern world functions. Personally I don’t think that ‘the dealers’ will bother with this soon to be banned substance, as, like many have pointed out, within days someone will have altered the chemical make-up of it and, once again kids will be buying the next legal high.
Can I please ask anyone with an ounce of common sense to boycott this utter, utter self congratulatory, ill informed tripe.
It is with almost sick fascination that I find myself wasting my life reading this small town, backward thinking chip wrapper. The most amazing part of it all, are some of the comments from such ill informed members of our very small York community, (theendoftheworld springs instantly to mind), who seem to be almost completely ignorant of how the modern world functions. Personally I don’t think that ‘the dealers’ will bother with this soon to be banned substance, as, like many have pointed out, within days someone will have altered the chemical make-up of it and, once again kids will be buying the next legal high. Can I please ask anyone with an ounce of common sense to boycott this utter, utter self congratulatory, ill informed tripe. condor1026
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12:47pm Tue 30 Mar 10

inthesticks says...

The whole tone of the article makes me feel nauseous. Conceited, self-congratulatory rubbish.

Prohibition does not work and that is a fact. It costs this country billions of pounds a year, makes the drug taking fools into criminals who make the lives of thousands of families and victims of crimes an absolute misery.
Legalise and supply all drugs with taxes on top. The only sensible way forward.
The whole tone of the article makes me feel nauseous. Conceited, self-congratulatory rubbish. Prohibition does not work and that is a fact. It costs this country billions of pounds a year, makes the drug taking fools into criminals who make the lives of thousands of families and victims of crimes an absolute misery. Legalise and supply all drugs with taxes on top. The only sensible way forward. inthesticks
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12:53pm Tue 30 Mar 10

on the bright side! says...

heard the press will now bring peace to the middle east and end the afghan war what an incredible paper this is.
heard the press will now bring peace to the middle east and end the afghan war what an incredible paper this is. on the bright side!
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12:54pm Tue 30 Mar 10

sciencefan says...

'Condor1026' has described 'endoftheworld' the most eloquently, he is ignorant and unfortunately seems to have a strong desire to share his ignorance with everybody else.

Please if you have nothing constructive to say whether it be supportive of the press campaign or not, keep it to yourself, because your ignorant, bigoted "opinions" (or insults) are of no use to man nor beast.

So far you have called me unbalanced, called Hi-five a smack addict and called TooRad self important, when all they have done is add constructively and intelligently to a very good debate, which has fairly strongly condemned The Presses actions, attitude and standard of reporting over the past few days.

If you've nothing useful to add please go and spout your bile elsewhere, its starting to smell.......
'Condor1026' has described 'endoftheworld' the most eloquently, he is ignorant and unfortunately seems to have a strong desire to share his ignorance with everybody else. Please if you have nothing constructive to say whether it be supportive of the press campaign or not, keep it to yourself, because your ignorant, bigoted "opinions" (or insults) are of no use to man nor beast. So far you have called me unbalanced, called Hi-five a smack addict and called TooRad self important, when all they have done is add constructively and intelligently to a very good debate, which has fairly strongly condemned The Presses actions, attitude and standard of reporting over the past few days. If you've nothing useful to add please go and spout your bile elsewhere, its starting to smell....... sciencefan
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1:04pm Tue 30 Mar 10

Henry Swanson says...

Theendoftheworld wrote:
Looks like I'm going to be the fly in the ointment again for al you pseudo-itellectuals. I'm glad the drug is going to be banned whether it's as a result of the Press campaign or not. Anything that might make the future safer for my young grandson is welcome in my eyes. Oh and TooRad, were you actually quoting yourself? Not really self-important.
Gosh, how naive.... do you really think banning this will make the issues go away? All it does is forces the problem underground, meaning that the quality of the product your grandson will be open to in the future will be unsure, as with most other drugs it will end up being cut with who knows what making the risks much higher!
[quote][p][bold]Theendoftheworld[/bold] wrote: Looks like I'm going to be the fly in the ointment again for al you pseudo-itellectuals. I'm glad the drug is going to be banned whether it's as a result of the Press campaign or not. Anything that might make the future safer for my young grandson is welcome in my eyes. Oh and TooRad, were you actually quoting yourself? Not really self-important.[/p][/quote]Gosh, how naive.... do you really think banning this will make the issues go away? All it does is forces the problem underground, meaning that the quality of the product your grandson will be open to in the future will be unsure, as with most other drugs it will end up being cut with who knows what making the risks much higher! Henry Swanson
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1:05pm Tue 30 Mar 10

Henry Swanson says...

PS, To The Press - 700 signatures dosent get legislation passed, you jumped on a bandwagon, which eventually ended up resulting in the drug being banned, it has zero to do with your campaign, claiming a victory makes you seem ignorant and telling half truths is as bad as lying!
PS, To The Press - 700 signatures dosent get legislation passed, you jumped on a bandwagon, which eventually ended up resulting in the drug being banned, it has zero to do with your campaign, claiming a victory makes you seem ignorant and telling half truths is as bad as lying! Henry Swanson
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1:08pm Tue 30 Mar 10

yorknights says...

"Backward thinking chip wrapper"--Condor 1026 you are a marvel!All these posts indicate just how out of touch with the real city this newspaper is.It is great to see some life out there for a change.I allways imagine the printworkers in Bradford who print the York paper sitting down to read it on a tea break just so they can have a right good laugh--it really does do the city one hell of a disservice with its stuck in the past ways.On the banning issue,of course this does not work.The authorities have tried to ban prostitution for years and never suceeded.This will not either.It will simply make money for the big time dealers and force petty crime rates up for the addicts and small time dealers.That is all.Drug use needs an entirely different approach which calls for controlled legalisation,health care,advice and places to buy,sell and use it.Only then will you take the problem out of the back alleys and prevent violent crime.
"Backward thinking chip wrapper"--Condor 1026 you are a marvel!All these posts indicate just how out of touch with the real city this newspaper is.It is great to see some life out there for a change.I allways imagine the printworkers in Bradford who print the York paper sitting down to read it on a tea break just so they can have a right good laugh--it really does do the city one hell of a disservice with its stuck in the past ways.On the banning issue,of course this does not work.The authorities have tried to ban prostitution for years and never suceeded.This will not either.It will simply make money for the big time dealers and force petty crime rates up for the addicts and small time dealers.That is all.Drug use needs an entirely different approach which calls for controlled legalisation,health care,advice and places to buy,sell and use it.Only then will you take the problem out of the back alleys and prevent violent crime. yorknights
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1:15pm Tue 30 Mar 10

Hieronymous says...

Meanwhile - back at the main story - I've been looking at the BBC News site and can't find any suggestion that this ban has been agreed yet! In fact, there is even a suggestion that the resignation of one member of the Drugs Advisory Body has left that organization inquorate, and that such a ban could not be enacted until said body is back up to strength and able to offer its advice - though this is being challenged by Government lawyers (natch!).

For the record - my gut feelings tell me this stuff (the drug) is indeed dangerous, but I'm ceretainly prepared to take on board the worries many of you have concerning the counter-effectivenes
s of prohibition etc. In fact I've long suspected that legalization and control might elp reduce the drug problem ... but it's a hell of a risk if I'm wrong!
Meanwhile - back at the main story - I've been looking at the BBC News site and can't find any suggestion that this ban has been agreed yet! In fact, there is even a suggestion that the resignation of one member of the Drugs Advisory Body has left that organization inquorate, and that such a ban could not be enacted until said body is back up to strength and able to offer its advice - though this is being challenged by Government lawyers (natch!). For the record - my gut feelings tell me this stuff (the drug) is indeed dangerous, but I'm ceretainly prepared to take on board the worries many of you have concerning the counter-effectivenes s of prohibition etc. In fact I've long suspected that legalization and control might elp reduce the drug problem ... but it's a hell of a risk if I'm wrong! Hieronymous
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1:23pm Tue 30 Mar 10

meefy says...

Well, here we go. The York Press have shown our country how influential they really are. Congratulations to the 700 people who signed the petition for having such a great role in shaping the law in this country.
*
I hope you all feel proud of yourself, safe in the knowledge that your kids will absolutely never touch drugs again and are no longer deluded by the legal status of mephedrone into thinking that its safe.
*
Thank you, Ms Bell for all you have done to create a perfect country where mephedrone users can now look forward to harsher criminal sentences than rapists!
*
Now, i'm off to B&Q to buy some Miracle-Gro and sniff that because its legal!!
Well, here we go. The York Press have shown our country how influential they really are. Congratulations to the 700 people who signed the petition for having such a great role in shaping the law in this country. * I hope you all feel proud of yourself, safe in the knowledge that your kids will absolutely never touch drugs again and are no longer deluded by the legal status of mephedrone into thinking that its safe. * Thank you, Ms Bell for all you have done to create a perfect country where mephedrone users can now look forward to harsher criminal sentences than rapists! * Now, i'm off to B&Q to buy some Miracle-Gro and sniff that because its legal!! meefy
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1:29pm Tue 30 Mar 10

Silver says...

sciencefan wrote:
'Condor1026' has described 'endoftheworld' the most eloquently, he is ignorant and unfortunately seems to have a strong desire to share his ignorance with everybody else. Please if you have nothing constructive to say whether it be supportive of the press campaign or not, keep it to yourself, because your ignorant, bigoted "opinions" (or insults) are of no use to man nor beast. So far you have called me unbalanced, called Hi-five a smack addict and called TooRad self important, when all they have done is add constructively and intelligently to a very good debate, which has fairly strongly condemned The Presses actions, attitude and standard of reporting over the past few days. If you've nothing useful to add please go and spout your bile elsewhere, its starting to smell.......
Well when you've had your argument for the ban reduced to shreds by being told the methodology used will not work and why not with actual facts people will resort to insults to try and keep their viewpoint.
[quote][p][bold]sciencefan[/bold] wrote: 'Condor1026' has described 'endoftheworld' the most eloquently, he is ignorant and unfortunately seems to have a strong desire to share his ignorance with everybody else. Please if you have nothing constructive to say whether it be supportive of the press campaign or not, keep it to yourself, because your ignorant, bigoted "opinions" (or insults) are of no use to man nor beast. So far you have called me unbalanced, called Hi-five a smack addict and called TooRad self important, when all they have done is add constructively and intelligently to a very good debate, which has fairly strongly condemned The Presses actions, attitude and standard of reporting over the past few days. If you've nothing useful to add please go and spout your bile elsewhere, its starting to smell.......[/p][/quote]Well when you've had your argument for the ban reduced to shreds by being told the methodology used will not work and why not with actual facts people will resort to insults to try and keep their viewpoint. Silver
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1:51pm Tue 30 Mar 10

Taken for a Mug says...

I bet the comments are gone by 3PM
I bet the comments are gone by 3PM Taken for a Mug
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2:06pm Tue 30 Mar 10

oldgoat says...

Theendoftheworld wrote:
Jassy, I know a ban doesn't stop kids getting hold of drugs but surely surely making it harder to get them must help a bit?
Two little points here. Tobacco, known to contain on of the most addictive substances around, the use of which kills hundreds of thousands of people a year, is legal, and plenty of school kids are already addicted to it. Where are the mobs of politicians raging to have this banned?

As well discussed here already, banning it simply drives it underground, and ends up costing us taxpayers more through police, courts and prison. The use won't plummet, as its then flagged to every teen with a wild streak, that they should give this a try for kicks too.
[quote][p][bold]Theendoftheworld[/bold] wrote: Jassy, I know a ban doesn't stop kids getting hold of drugs but surely surely making it harder to get them must help a bit?[/p][/quote]Two little points here. Tobacco, known to contain on of the most addictive substances around, the use of which kills hundreds of thousands of people a year, is legal, and plenty of school kids are already addicted to it. Where are the mobs of politicians raging to have this banned? As well discussed here already, banning it simply drives it underground, and ends up costing us taxpayers more through police, courts and prison. The use won't plummet, as its then flagged to every teen with a wild streak, that they should give this a try for kicks too. oldgoat
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2:15pm Tue 30 Mar 10

AngryandFrustrated says...

"there is a very real danger that s/he will become one of those tragic 40-something singletons that spend all their time at parties in the kitchen rolling joints and talking about government conspiracies. With mad, darting eyes too boot."

Sounds like fun to me - TooRad - give me a shout next time you have a party!!
"there is a very real danger that s/he will become one of those tragic 40-something singletons that spend all their time at parties in the kitchen rolling joints and talking about government conspiracies. With mad, darting eyes too boot." Sounds like fun to me - TooRad - give me a shout next time you have a party!! AngryandFrustrated
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2:16pm Tue 30 Mar 10

condor1026 says...

Took me 3 mins on google to find 'Methylone'. Similar stuff by the sounds of it. Legally available. Rave on Kids!
Took me 3 mins on google to find 'Methylone'. Similar stuff by the sounds of it. Legally available. Rave on Kids! condor1026
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2:19pm Tue 30 Mar 10

Henry Swanson says...

I wonder why glue sniffing went out of fashion.....
I wonder why glue sniffing went out of fashion..... Henry Swanson
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2:19pm Tue 30 Mar 10

hifive says...

AngryandFrustrated wrote:
"there is a very real danger that s/he will become one of those tragic 40-something singletons that spend all their time at parties in the kitchen rolling joints and talking about government conspiracies. With mad, darting eyes too boot." Sounds like fun to me - TooRad - give me a shout next time you have a party!!
Sounds great! Count me in!
[quote][p][bold]AngryandFrustrated[/bold] wrote: "there is a very real danger that s/he will become one of those tragic 40-something singletons that spend all their time at parties in the kitchen rolling joints and talking about government conspiracies. With mad, darting eyes too boot." Sounds like fun to me - TooRad - give me a shout next time you have a party!![/p][/quote]Sounds great! Count me in! hifive
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2:22pm Tue 30 Mar 10

Silver says...

condor1026 wrote:
Took me 3 mins on google to find 'Methylone'. Similar stuff by the sounds of it. Legally available. Rave on Kids!
Nice to know that with the press's obvious success at being the sole group responsible for the "ban" can move onto this one then can't they? After all they were incredibly succesful at getting rid of mephredone off our streets. Add sarcastic tone in voice to this comment
[quote][p][bold]condor1026[/bold] wrote: Took me 3 mins on google to find 'Methylone'. Similar stuff by the sounds of it. Legally available. Rave on Kids![/p][/quote]Nice to know that with the press's obvious success at being the sole group responsible for the "ban" can move onto this one then can't they? After all they were incredibly succesful at getting rid of mephredone off our streets. Add sarcastic tone in voice to this comment Silver
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2:29pm Tue 30 Mar 10

mike1410 says...

All comments posted on the Press web page, should relate to the quality, content and accuracy of the article printed. Not to be used as some childish verbal tennis match, between persons of dubious intellegence. Initially comments made were to the point and relevant. Then as is the case with certain contributors to any Press comments, it has degenerated into spitful and nasty verbage. The same people, who play this infantile game, are the first to complain that their tomes have been removed.
Ladies and Gents, please stick to the point of the comments page and comment on the article. Your mindless bickering, shows how sad and lonely lives you must lead. Go on the miriad of moronic chat rooms available, if you want to vent your spleen's. Don't do it on this site as all you do is dilute and debase the interesing and valid comments that other people make.
All comments posted on the Press web page, should relate to the quality, content and accuracy of the article printed. Not to be used as some childish verbal tennis match, between persons of dubious intellegence. Initially comments made were to the point and relevant. Then as is the case with certain contributors to any Press comments, it has degenerated into spitful and nasty verbage. The same people, who play this infantile game, are the first to complain that their tomes have been removed. Ladies and Gents, please stick to the point of the comments page and comment on the article. Your mindless bickering, shows how sad and lonely lives you must lead. Go on the miriad of moronic chat rooms available, if you want to vent your spleen's. Don't do it on this site as all you do is dilute and debase the interesing and valid comments that other people make. mike1410
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2:30pm Tue 30 Mar 10

hifive says...

The comments are disappearing! And it's not even 3pm! Maybe the Press were worried they were going to get more comments than they did signatures.....
The comments are disappearing! And it's not even 3pm! Maybe the Press were worried they were going to get more comments than they did signatures..... hifive
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2:30pm Tue 30 Mar 10

sheps lad says...

Is it time for bed now kiddies??
Is it time for bed now kiddies?? sheps lad
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2:37pm Tue 30 Mar 10

mike1410 says...

To the administrator, thank you for removing the rubbish multiple "quotes", not at all relevant to this article.
maybe you need to look at removing the "quote", icon as it encourages people to click on it and thus results in endless to and fro' childish bickering.
To the administrator, thank you for removing the rubbish multiple "quotes", not at all relevant to this article. maybe you need to look at removing the "quote", icon as it encourages people to click on it and thus results in endless to and fro' childish bickering. mike1410
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2:50pm Tue 30 Mar 10

Henry Swanson says...

mike1410 wrote:
To the administrator, thank you for removing the rubbish multiple "quotes", not at all relevant to this article. maybe you need to look at removing the "quote", icon as it encourages people to click on it and thus results in endless to and fro' childish bickering.
to me - to you
[quote][p][bold]mike1410[/bold] wrote: To the administrator, thank you for removing the rubbish multiple "quotes", not at all relevant to this article. maybe you need to look at removing the "quote", icon as it encourages people to click on it and thus results in endless to and fro' childish bickering.[/p][/quote]to me - to you Henry Swanson
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3:17pm Tue 30 Mar 10

consumer says...

The Press must think we're all really really thick.
The Press must think we're all really really thick. consumer
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3:55pm Tue 30 Mar 10

manfromuncle says...

For the press and those people who believe our drug laws somehow protect people:
I have a 3 year old son in my 40's, I want him to grow up in as safe a city as possible, where drugs are not readily available and easier to obtain than cigarettes.

I shall be bringing him up with guidance to leave this bizarre country for a safer one as soon as he is able, Drug prohibition is destroying this country, and the lives of many many people, those politicians and prohibitionists who repeatedly bury their heads in the sand and drive ahead with this nonsense should all hang their heads in shame, forever.
For the press and those people who believe our drug laws somehow protect people: I have a 3 year old son in my 40's, I want him to grow up in as safe a city as possible, where drugs are not readily available and easier to obtain than cigarettes. I shall be bringing him up with guidance to leave this bizarre country for a safer one as soon as he is able, Drug prohibition is destroying this country, and the lives of many many people, those politicians and prohibitionists who repeatedly bury their heads in the sand and drive ahead with this nonsense should all hang their heads in shame, forever. manfromuncle
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4:25pm Tue 30 Mar 10

LittleTed says...

mike1410 wrote:
All comments posted on the Press web page, should relate to the quality, content and accuracy of the article printed. Not to be used as some childish verbal tennis match, between persons of dubious intellegence. Initially comments made were to the point and relevant. Then as is the case with certain contributors to any Press comments, it has degenerated into spitful and nasty verbage. The same people, who play this infantile game, are the first to complain that their tomes have been removed.
Ladies and Gents, please stick to the point of the comments page and comment on the article. Your mindless bickering, shows how sad and lonely lives you must lead. Go on the miriad of moronic chat rooms available, if you want to vent your spleen's. Don't do it on this site as all you do is dilute and debase the interesing and valid comments that other people make.
Ahh..shut ya face.
[quote][p][bold]mike1410[/bold] wrote: All comments posted on the Press web page, should relate to the quality, content and accuracy of the article printed. Not to be used as some childish verbal tennis match, between persons of dubious intellegence. Initially comments made were to the point and relevant. Then as is the case with certain contributors to any Press comments, it has degenerated into spitful and nasty verbage. The same people, who play this infantile game, are the first to complain that their tomes have been removed. Ladies and Gents, please stick to the point of the comments page and comment on the article. Your mindless bickering, shows how sad and lonely lives you must lead. Go on the miriad of moronic chat rooms available, if you want to vent your spleen's. Don't do it on this site as all you do is dilute and debase the interesing and valid comments that other people make.[/p][/quote]Ahh..shut ya face. LittleTed
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4:26pm Tue 30 Mar 10

Hieronymous says...

Is there anyone out there who can state, categorically, whether the Government has made up its mind about this ban or not? If it has not, then the article is seriously in error even without the Press' claim to have "persuaded" it!
Is there anyone out there who can state, categorically, whether the Government has made up its mind about this ban or not? If it has not, then the article is seriously in error even without the Press' claim to have "persuaded" it! Hieronymous
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4:30pm Tue 30 Mar 10

Silver says...

manfromuncle wrote:
For the press and those people who believe our drug laws somehow protect people: I have a 3 year old son in my 40's, I want him to grow up in as safe a city as possible, where drugs are not readily available and easier to obtain than cigarettes. I shall be bringing him up with guidance to leave this bizarre country for a safer one as soon as he is able, Drug prohibition is destroying this country, and the lives of many many people, those politicians and prohibitionists who repeatedly bury their heads in the sand and drive ahead with this nonsense should all hang their heads in shame, forever.
I'd recommend Holland where the only real problem with drugs is the drug tourists, although every tourist location dislikes the tourists anyway.
Although would recommend the country as they've raised a lot of level headed intelligent teenagers who don't bother to touch drugs because it's got through that the only people taking them aren't cool.
[quote][p][bold]manfromuncle[/bold] wrote: For the press and those people who believe our drug laws somehow protect people: I have a 3 year old son in my 40's, I want him to grow up in as safe a city as possible, where drugs are not readily available and easier to obtain than cigarettes. I shall be bringing him up with guidance to leave this bizarre country for a safer one as soon as he is able, Drug prohibition is destroying this country, and the lives of many many people, those politicians and prohibitionists who repeatedly bury their heads in the sand and drive ahead with this nonsense should all hang their heads in shame, forever.[/p][/quote]I'd recommend Holland where the only real problem with drugs is the drug tourists, although every tourist location dislikes the tourists anyway. Although would recommend the country as they've raised a lot of level headed intelligent teenagers who don't bother to touch drugs because it's got through that the only people taking them aren't cool. Silver
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4:59pm Tue 30 Mar 10

Gromit says...

Its the horticulture industry that is going to suffer from this so called drug being band.

Its a plant fertiliser and nothing else, if stupid people take it then they need their heads read.

The horticulture industry is struggling at the moment from new laws that have been past on pesticide use. We need to grow food somehow to feed an ever-growing world population.

If they end up banning everything kids stick up their noses then we will be in big trouble.
Its the horticulture industry that is going to suffer from this so called drug being band. Its a plant fertiliser and nothing else, if stupid people take it then they need their heads read. The horticulture industry is struggling at the moment from new laws that have been past on pesticide use. We need to grow food somehow to feed an ever-growing world population. If they end up banning everything kids stick up their noses then we will be in big trouble. Gromit
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6:53pm Tue 30 Mar 10

TooRad says...

Ok so genuine respect for the Press this time.
All these comments here slating them to high heaven (including mine) and they are all still allowed to stand, even though admin had to step in and do some deleting when one weirdo made it all a bit messy.
That's fair and balanced I reckon. Good call Press.
Ok so genuine respect for the Press this time. All these comments here slating them to high heaven (including mine) and they are all still allowed to stand, even though admin had to step in and do some deleting when one weirdo made it all a bit messy. That's fair and balanced I reckon. Good call Press. TooRad
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6:54pm Tue 30 Mar 10

TooRad says...

Ok so genuine respect for the Press this time.
All these comments here slating them to high heaven (including mine) and they are all still allowed to stand, even though admin had to step in and do some deleting when one weirdo made it all a bit messy.
That's fair and balanced I reckon. Good call Press.
Ok so genuine respect for the Press this time. All these comments here slating them to high heaven (including mine) and they are all still allowed to stand, even though admin had to step in and do some deleting when one weirdo made it all a bit messy. That's fair and balanced I reckon. Good call Press. TooRad
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8:01pm Tue 30 Mar 10

Silver says...

TooRad wrote:
Ok so genuine respect for the Press this time.
All these comments here slating them to high heaven (including mine) and they are all still allowed to stand, even though admin had to step in and do some deleting when one weirdo made it all a bit messy.
That's fair and balanced I reckon. Good call Press.
Have to admit that is true freedom of speech. Still dislike the viewpoints and bias the press has but have to agree to some respect for the paper.
[quote][p][bold]TooRad[/bold] wrote: Ok so genuine respect for the Press this time. All these comments here slating them to high heaven (including mine) and they are all still allowed to stand, even though admin had to step in and do some deleting when one weirdo made it all a bit messy. That's fair and balanced I reckon. Good call Press.[/p][/quote]Have to admit that is true freedom of speech. Still dislike the viewpoints and bias the press has but have to agree to some respect for the paper. Silver
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8:02pm Tue 30 Mar 10

Silver says...

Silver wrote:
TooRad wrote:
Ok so genuine respect for the Press this time.
All these comments here slating them to high heaven (including mine) and they are all still allowed to stand, even though admin had to step in and do some deleting when one weirdo made it all a bit messy.
That's fair and balanced I reckon. Good call Press.
Have to admit that is true freedom of speech. Still dislike the viewpoints and bias the press has but have to agree to some respect for the paper.
Whoops we just let them know we slagged them off....hopefully we won't get banned.
[quote][p][bold]Silver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TooRad[/bold] wrote: Ok so genuine respect for the Press this time. All these comments here slating them to high heaven (including mine) and they are all still allowed to stand, even though admin had to step in and do some deleting when one weirdo made it all a bit messy. That's fair and balanced I reckon. Good call Press.[/p][/quote]Have to admit that is true freedom of speech. Still dislike the viewpoints and bias the press has but have to agree to some respect for the paper.[/p][/quote]Whoops we just let them know we slagged them off....hopefully we won't get banned. Silver
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8:04pm Tue 30 Mar 10

MarkW says...

Amazing - whoever thought of coming up with spin on this story claiming Press influence wants sacking. So laughable I really don't know what else to say.
Amazing - whoever thought of coming up with spin on this story claiming Press influence wants sacking. So laughable I really don't know what else to say. MarkW
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8:46pm Tue 30 Mar 10

Splat says...

all drugies smack head crack heads and the rest of lifes scum should be shot,
they are a waste of tax payers money
they commit crime every day and make people lives a misery,
no one forces them to take this dirt,
so just shoot the lot of them
all drugies smack head crack heads and the rest of lifes scum should be shot, they are a waste of tax payers money they commit crime every day and make people lives a misery, no one forces them to take this dirt, so just shoot the lot of them Splat
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8:49pm Tue 30 Mar 10

sheps lad says...

Thank you and goodnight. I take it alot of you will now stop reading the press and commenting on its content
Thank you and goodnight. I take it alot of you will now stop reading the press and commenting on its content sheps lad
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9:14pm Tue 30 Mar 10

bluebells says...

I can just see the Press clapping themselves on the back for the dynamic petition that changed the world forever! Nothing to do with daily coverage on national TV or the dailys. But still you got 700 people to sign. Is that the average readership now by the way! What next an article on how many people they have made redundant over the last couple of years. Funny you never read about that do you?
I can just see the Press clapping themselves on the back for the dynamic petition that changed the world forever! Nothing to do with daily coverage on national TV or the dailys. But still you got 700 people to sign. Is that the average readership now by the way! What next an article on how many people they have made redundant over the last couple of years. Funny you never read about that do you? bluebells
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9:44pm Tue 30 Mar 10

sciencefan says...

Hieronymous wrote:
Is there anyone out there who can state, categorically, whether the Government has made up its mind about this ban or not? If it has not, then the article is seriously in error even without the Press' claim to have "persuaded" it!
As it currently stands the mis-use of drugs act requires that the Advisory Council on the Mis-use of Drugs (ACMD) must report before the Government can introduce a ban. Due to the resignation of Dr Polly Taylor last week the ACMD now does not have all of the members the statute requires and until they are replaced the Comittee cannot report and until the comittee report the Government cannot introduce a ban. Despite that the Government have decided that they can work around the statute to introduce a ban anyway. How realistic this is I do not know, but whether the Government can get this through Parlient before they seek to dissolve Parliament in a week or so for the election is also somewhat questionable. What's concerning is that we may get shotgun legislation that is ill concieved and badly written and no use to anyone. So who knows if the Government is being genuine or electioneering with a dangerous topic at this stage. Time will tell. Suffice to say The Press's claims are probably best described at this stage as wishful thinking.
[quote][p][bold]Hieronymous[/bold] wrote: Is there anyone out there who can state, categorically, whether the Government has made up its mind about this ban or not? If it has not, then the article is seriously in error even without the Press' claim to have "persuaded" it![/p][/quote]As it currently stands the mis-use of drugs act requires that the Advisory Council on the Mis-use of Drugs (ACMD) must report before the Government can introduce a ban. Due to the resignation of Dr Polly Taylor last week the ACMD now does not have all of the members the statute requires and until they are replaced the Comittee cannot report and until the comittee report the Government cannot introduce a ban. Despite that the Government have decided that they can work around the statute to introduce a ban anyway. How realistic this is I do not know, but whether the Government can get this through Parlient before they seek to dissolve Parliament in a week or so for the election is also somewhat questionable. What's concerning is that we may get shotgun legislation that is ill concieved and badly written and no use to anyone. So who knows if the Government is being genuine or electioneering with a dangerous topic at this stage. Time will tell. Suffice to say The Press's claims are probably best described at this stage as wishful thinking. sciencefan
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12:02am Wed 31 Mar 10

chunks says...

Just look at the way the press reports race days - blatantly biased and partisan. I sometimes think that the race day coverage is drafted by the racecourse marketing office.
Just look at the way the press reports race days - blatantly biased and partisan. I sometimes think that the race day coverage is drafted by the racecourse marketing office. chunks
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9:27am Wed 31 Mar 10

Hieronymous says...

Thankyou Sciencefan! It's great when somneone actually answers a question for once!
Thankyou Sciencefan! It's great when somneone actually answers a question for once! Hieronymous
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9:14pm Wed 31 Mar 10

MichaelJo says...

I wander where all the York druggies will get their fix now because there are loads of druggies in York.
York is a run down city with very high property prices. I live in York and I think its a horrid place and the people are so rude....if I could move I would but unable to.
Its the truth....get used to it.
I wander where all the York druggies will get their fix now because there are loads of druggies in York. York is a run down city with very high property prices. I live in York and I think its a horrid place and the people are so rude....if I could move I would but unable to. Its the truth....get used to it. MichaelJo
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9:30pm Wed 31 Mar 10

sciencefan says...

Hieronymous wrote:
Thankyou Sciencefan! It's great when somneone actually answers a question for once!
Pleasure. Someone has to report the facts.......!
[quote][p][bold]Hieronymous[/bold] wrote: Thankyou Sciencefan! It's great when somneone actually answers a question for once![/p][/quote]Pleasure. Someone has to report the facts.......! sciencefan
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