Agnew: Blackburn Rovers must learn from mistakes (From Lancashire Telegraph)

bypass06 wrote:
I believe that if the team is good and off the pitch is poor, off the pitch is considered to be good. Also, if the team is poor but off the pitch is good then off the pitch is considered to be poor. It is as simple as that.

Is that a tongue twister?

bypass06 wrote:
I believe that if the team is good and off the pitch is poor, off the pitch is considered to be good. Also, if the team is poor but off the pitch is good then off the pitch is considered to be poor. It is as simple as that.

Is that a tongue twister?

roverfor60years wrote:
Analyse these answers and what has he said? Very little. A load of claptrap.
How to avoid the question and say nothing - right out of the Kean book of gobbledegook. They make a perfect pair.

A Darener wrote:
Clearly, there have been mistakes and misjudgements. Now it is how we all deal with the situation. I believe you have got to recognise where things went wrong, address the areas of concern, learn from mistakes and move on.


SACK KEAN!!!

MidlandRover85 wrote:
Is this the first time anybody has said "sorry" for the relegation?!

Why, oh why can they not see that if Kean was sacked and a good manager put in place, that act alone would bring fans back and create a positive atmosphere?! Clueless!

dallarover wrote:
Its sad that its taken a relegation to see the need for a basic management structure and also for the need for experienced players after getting rid of most of the experience in the previous squad.

However, all that said, the biggest problem is still the Manager who has to date shown nothing to suggest he is good at any aspect of the Manager's job or that he can be a good Manager at any level. If we don't get off to a good start and are competing by the end of the first couple of months then I don't think they will be able to keep him.

Agnew is saying what he would be expected to say but I was annoyed by this statement "we had been hovering around the bottom end of the Premier League table for a while There had been a danger of relegation for three of the last five seasons". Thought this was a swipe at the previous regime and almost sounds like he's saying relegation was going to come anyway. Would still like someone to stand up and take responsibility for the problems over the last 18 months.

benal13 wrote:

roverfor60years wrote:
Analyse these answers and what has he said? Very little. A load of claptrap.
How to avoid the question and say nothing - right out of the Kean book of gobbledegook. They make a perfect pair.

is it not up to ANDY CRYER to delve a little deeper ,and if they wont answer the question he puts to them, tell us its not hard or is it ANDY?

Crow27 wrote:
'Clearly, there have been mistakes and misjudgements. Now it is how we all deal with the situation. I believe you have got to recognise where things went wrong, address the areas of concern, learn from mistakes and move on'.
Answer - Sack Steve Kean. How can anyone be in charge who has lost the club millions!?

'Coming up to date, we had been hovering around the bottom end of the Premier League table for a while There had been a danger of relegation for three of the last five seasons'.
True we have but we were making progress with Sam Alladyce and they sack him!

'Steve is fully aware of the need to get a winning team out on the pitch'.
Hopefully this means that if kean continues to perform poorly they will sack him and quick!

'I was recently speaking to a Southampton fan who told me they had successive relegations, were in danger of liquidation, with fans up in arms and nobody expected to renew their season tickets.
I think they are going to start next season with 32,000 seats sold. It can turn around – that’s clear from those examples'.
Forgot to mention the likes of Leeds Utd and Portsmouth!

'Investment is being made into the playing squad and that is great, although obviously there is always a balancing act to be struck'.
This reads we are buying players (Championship Players) and selling Premiership players!

Paul Agnew maybe a Rovers fan but he is just protecting his job! The best way for this lot is to remain quiet and go about there job in a professional manner - action speaks louder than words!

benal13 wrote:

roverfor60years wrote:
Analyse these answers and what has he said? Very little. A load of claptrap.
How to avoid the question and say nothing - right out of the Kean book of gobbledegook. They make a perfect pair.

is it not up to ANDY CRYER to delve a little deeper ,and if they wont answer the question he puts to them, tell us its not hard or is it ANDY?

MidlandRover85 wrote:
Is this the first time anybody has said "sorry" for the relegation?!

Why, oh why can they not see that if Kean was sacked and a good manager put in place, that act alone would bring fans back and create a positive atmosphere?! Clueless!

fitz808 wrote:
i don't know how you lot have the energy, i really don't. perfectly reasonable article and set of responses for those of us who live in the real world. seriously, are any of you expecting him to come out and say, "kean was poor last year, it is all his fault and he's got to get 10 wins in the first 10 games or he's out of here?" he's not. kean remains our manager for the time being and you lot aren't coming to the games. ok, fair dos. let the rest of us move on please. last year, we wouldn't have had this interview at all. that in itself is progress and long may it continue. if you don't like what you hear, fair enough. but it does seem like most of you will view the words through unfairly negative glasses to pick out the problems, just as i will do the opposite. once again, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but let's just let them get on with trying to put things right.

1rover wrote:
KEAN OUT AGNEW OUT YOUR NOT A ROVERS FAN

fitz808 wrote:
i don't know how you lot have the energy, i really don't.
perfectly reasonable article and set of responses for those of us who live in the real world. seriously, are any of you expecting him to come out and say, "kean was poor last year, it is all his fault and he's got to get 10 wins in the first 10 games or he's out of here?"
he's not. kean remains our manager for the time being and you lot aren't coming to the games. ok, fair dos. let the rest of us move on please.
last year, we wouldn't have had this interview at all. that in itself is progress and long may it continue. if you don't like what you hear, fair enough. but it does seem like most of you will view the words through unfairly negative glasses to pick out the problems, just as i will do the opposite. once again, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but let's just let them get on with trying to put things right.

fitz808 wrote:
i don't know how you lot have the energy, i really don't.
perfectly reasonable article and set of responses for those of us who live in the real world. seriously, are any of you expecting him to come out and say, "kean was poor last year, it is all his fault and he's got to get 10 wins in the first 10 games or he's out of here?"
he's not. kean remains our manager for the time being and you lot aren't coming to the games. ok, fair dos. let the rest of us move on please.
last year, we wouldn't have had this interview at all. that in itself is progress and long may it continue. if you don't like what you hear, fair enough. but it does seem like most of you will view the words through unfairly negative glasses to pick out the problems, just as i will do the opposite. once again, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but let's just let them get on with trying to put things right.

Vikings Rover wrote:
Prepare to be shocked again Mr Agnew and let's hope football as a whole is shocked again too come the 1st home game of the season when the attendance figure is published.

"They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind"!.

The longer the present regime remains in charge the more precarious the CLUB'S future will be. The CLUB'S long term future is far more important than the short term performance of the 1st team.

STAY TOGETHER BRFC supporters and STAY AWAY until Mr Bean is sacked.

Staying away will prove to be the most effective action any supporter of the club can take to bring about change.

When we get Our Rovers Back then we can all get behind the team once again . . . . .

R.T.I.D

hasslem hasslem wrote:
dear mr Agnew - just checked your assertion that we struggled in the relegation zone in 3 of the last 5 years. can i remend you that two of those years were kean years and the your numbers are not actually true.
11/12 - relegated 19th out of 20 - 6 points clear of safety (KEAN)
10/11 - 15th out of 20 - 4 points above drop zone (top half when kean took over) (KEAN/ALLARDYCE)
09/10 - 10th out 20 - 20 points clear of drop zone (ALLARDYCE)
08/09 - 15th out of 20 - 7 points clear of drop zone (ALLARDYCE/INCE)
07/08 - 7th out of 20 - 22 points clear of drop zone (HUGHES)

SO THAT IS THE LAST 5 SEASONS - if we remove Kean seasons from the sample we have 5 Kean free seasons to look at so lets take 06/07 and 05/06
06/07 10th out of 20 - 14 points clear of drop zone (HUGHES)
05/06 6th out of 20 - 29 points clear of drop zone (HUGHES)

So, Mr Agnew if you would like any help from me (or other rovers supporters) in understanding what has happened in recent seasons - i am happy to help.

RUinsane wrote:
Can't believe he said we are going to learn from our mistakes and put it right.
Point A
If you employ uncle fester the cone collector as manager, you get relegated.
Point B
If you sell your best players, you get relegated.
Point C
If you let your experienced players go, you get relegated.
Point D
If you play lots of kids you get relegated
Point E
If you put a sheite team on the pitch whilst your experinced and better players are watching from the stands or in some cases the Dubai formula 1 circuit, you get relegated.
Point F
It you try and run a succesful premier league club like Tommy Balls shop outlet, you get relegated.
Point G
If you don't spend the money you gained from selling your best players on players of an equal cost, you slowly become sheiter and you get relegated.
So when you have learnt from these mistakes, Mr Agnew, can you please inform us because from where I'm looking, it seems like you have now lost the fans through talking utter bollax about your total disregard to any of the points listed above.
You and your cronies said we had an ageing squad that needed updating, you have now signed players older than the ones who left, and continue to scour the world for untried high risk signings which were your undoing last season.
Anything learnt? We have, if you go to the shop and the goods on display are shoddy, you take your custom elsewhere.

bypass06 wrote:
I believe that if the team is good and off the pitch is poor, off the pitch is considered to be good. Also, if the team is poor but off the pitch is good then off the pitch is considered to be poor. It is as simple as that.

Is that a tongue twister?

juanbbien wrote:

bypass06 wrote:
I believe that if the team is good and off the pitch is poor, off the pitch is considered to be good. Also, if the team is poor but off the pitch is good then off the pitch is considered to be poor. It is as simple as that.

Is that a tongue twister?

What the hell is Agnew on about with this statement I can't understand one iota of it,another Bloody Idiot

juanbbien wrote:

bypass06 wrote:
I believe that if the team is good and off the pitch is poor, off the pitch is considered to be good. Also, if the team is poor but off the pitch is good then off the pitch is considered to be poor. It is as simple as that.

Is that a tongue twister?

What the hell is Agnew on about with this statement I can't understand one iota of it,another Bloody Idiot

Crow27 wrote:
'Clearly, there have been mistakes and misjudgements. Now it is how we all deal with the situation. I believe you have got to recognise where things went wrong, address the areas of concern, learn from mistakes and move on'.
Answer - Sack Steve Kean. How can anyone be in charge who has lost the club millions!?

'Coming up to date, we had been hovering around the bottom end of the Premier League table for a while There had been a danger of relegation for three of the last five seasons'.
True we have but we were making progress with Sam Alladyce and they sack him!

'Steve is fully aware of the need to get a winning team out on the pitch'.
Hopefully this means that if kean continues to perform poorly they will sack him and quick!

'I was recently speaking to a Southampton fan who told me they had successive relegations, were in danger of liquidation, with fans up in arms and nobody expected to renew their season tickets.
I think they are going to start next season with 32,000 seats sold. It can turn around – that’s clear from those examples'.
Forgot to mention the likes of Leeds Utd and Portsmouth!

'Investment is being made into the playing squad and that is great, although obviously there is always a balancing act to be struck'.
This reads we are buying players (Championship Players) and selling Premiership players!

Paul Agnew maybe a Rovers fan but he is just protecting his job! The best way for this lot is to remain quiet and go about there job in a professional manner - action speaks louder than words!

1rover wrote:

RUinsane wrote:
Can't believe he said we are going to learn from our mistakes and put it right.
Point A
If you employ uncle fester the cone collector as manager, you get relegated.
Point B
If you sell your best players, you get relegated.
Point C
If you let your experienced players go, you get relegated.
Point D
If you play lots of kids you get relegated
Point E
If you put a sheite team on the pitch whilst your experinced and better players are watching from the stands or in some cases the Dubai formula 1 circuit, you get relegated.
Point F
It you try and run a succesful premier league club like Tommy Balls shop outlet, you get relegated.
Point G
If you don't spend the money you gained from selling your best players on players of an equal cost, you slowly become sheiter and you get relegated.
So when you have learnt from these mistakes, Mr Agnew, can you please inform us because from where I'm looking, it seems like you have now lost the fans through talking utter bollax about your total disregard to any of the points listed above.
You and your cronies said we had an ageing squad that needed updating, you have now signed players older than the ones who left, and continue to scour the world for untried high risk signings which were your undoing last season.
Anything learnt? We have, if you go to the shop and the goods on display are shoddy, you take your custom elsewhere.

TOMMY BALL WAS GOOD TO THIS TOWN OK .

RUinsane wrote:

1rover wrote:

RUinsane wrote:
Can't believe he said we are going to learn from our mistakes and put it right.
Point A
If you employ uncle fester the cone collector as manager, you get relegated.
Point B
If you sell your best players, you get relegated.
Point C
If you let your experienced players go, you get relegated.
Point D
If you play lots of kids you get relegated
Point E
If you put a sheite team on the pitch whilst your experinced and better players are watching from the stands or in some cases the Dubai formula 1 circuit, you get relegated.
Point F
It you try and run a succesful premier league club like Tommy Balls shop outlet, you get relegated.
Point G
If you don't spend the money you gained from selling your best players on players of an equal cost, you slowly become sheiter and you get relegated.
So when you have learnt from these mistakes, Mr Agnew, can you please inform us because from where I'm looking, it seems like you have now lost the fans through talking utter bollax about your total disregard to any of the points listed above.
You and your cronies said we had an ageing squad that needed updating, you have now signed players older than the ones who left, and continue to scour the world for untried high risk signings which were your undoing last season.
Anything learnt? We have, if you go to the shop and the goods on display are shoddy, you take your custom elsewhere.

TOMMY BALL WAS GOOD TO THIS TOWN OK .

Granted he was, but I was talking about Tommy Balls shop outlet, not the warehouse. The shop outlet descended in latter years to selling second hand worn out tied together rejects. A bit like what we will be left with when they've f@cked off. This policy resulted in Tommy Balls, the name of the company not the man, closing down. now, do you need to draw any comparisons from that outcome? Tommy Ball was a great man and a legend. Unfortunately that is what the company is now, a legend.

P888HOW wrote:
Agnew," we must lean by are mistakes." making Kean manager of BFC was a massive mistake, SO SACK HIM.!!!

whappen wrote:
“Q; Firstly your new title, operations director, can you tell the fans what that consists of?”

“A; I am challenged with the responsibility of directing the operations ........".

My heart sank from this point on.

A lot of double talk and apportioning blame to their predecessors as usual.

"It would be foolish to say that everything has been okay – that can never be the case after a club has been relegated".

But every man and his dog knew everything was not OK for a long time.

"I felt the level of hostility that got through to the pitch crossed the line on what might be considered acceptable"

"Relegation always bringing a negative reaction"

Why was there such a level of hostility d'you think? And if there was such hostility during the season, how does this fit in with your theory the unrest is all down to post-relegation depression?

Were all those protesters clairvoyant? Or could they perhaps just see what was blindingly obvious.

".....we had been hovering around the bottom end of the Premier League table for a while. There had been a danger of relegation for three of the last five seasons...."

One of which was after the bumpkin you support so unswervingly had been in charge for only a matter of months; two games earlier and we would have gone down a year sooner. Nothing, but nothing, was more obvious than what happened was always going to happen.

And I thought we weren't supposed to looking back at the past. But, seeing as we are, when did we have to win on the last day to stay up during that period? When was the last time so many people knew we were doomed so early in a season?

That is the big difference.

Any club of our size can get relegated; it’s the law of the jungle. You obviously feel unhappy but usually can content youself, at least they gave it a go. The difference was we were taken down by the owners and their gross mismanagement of the club.

The suggestion relegation has been an inevitability is just another underhanded sleight on the people who had kept the club clear of relegation throughout the last decade, often by acting to put right what was wrong, even if it had been their decision that caused it.

"I have supported Rovers for 50 years and would never do anything that would affect my team’s chances of doing well.."

But you are willing to support and represent people who have destroyed a well run club which punched above it’s weight year on year. The most damaging thing you are doing is retaining the services of a team manager who has clearly shown he does not have the ability to do the job. It is not possible to have a more negative affect on “your team”.

"...football is an opinions game.."

Maybe so but when you can back them up with hard evidence it becomes a whole lot more straightforward. Purely on results alone, this man should not be anywhere near this football club. Nor should he have been for the last seven months - at least.

If you are going to learn from the past, then look at what happened with Brian Kidd or Paul Ince. They couldn't do the job, they got fired.

Just to make that clear for you;

They could not do the job, they got fired.

Learn from your mistakes!? The biggest one is still sitting in the manager's chair. But then your not going to try and get the man who got you your job fired are you? Not that you dare even suggest it. We all know what happens to dissenters now don't we? They suddenly become a financial burden and sadly have to be let go.

"...he has the backing of the owners as we all strive to make tomorrow better than yesterday..."

God help us all.

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
We all no there is something going on down at Ewood Park, we can't prove (yet) but when we do Agnew you will be run out of town for being part of it, along with the rest of the people who are destroying out club.

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
We all no there is something going on down at Ewood Park, we can't prove (yet) but when we do Agnew you will be run out of town for being part of it, along with the rest of the people who are destroying out club.

Arthur Labore wrote:
Yet more bul**** from Agnew,he is just preaching from Keans book of lies and rubbish.
Cant wait till Rochdale away to get the KEAN out chants going again,
they must think we are idiots.
KEAN /AGNEW/VENKYS/ANDERS

ON/ORR/BEST OUT!!!!!

Wild Rover wrote:

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
We all no there is something going on down at Ewood Park, we can't prove (yet) but when we do Agnew you will be run out of town for being part of it, along with the rest of the people who are destroying out club.

Oohh bet he is scared, gonna run him outta town are you cowboy?
You really are not well ..
Get a grip , siilllly man

Love Rovers Hate Venkys wrote:

P888HOW wrote:
Agnew," we must lean by are mistakes." making Kean manager of BFC was a massive mistake, SO SACK HIM.!!!

I think making him manager of BFC would be the best end for the ****!

jogalot wrote:

juanbbien wrote:

bypass06 wrote:
I believe that if the team is good and off the pitch is poor, off the pitch is considered to be good. Also, if the team is poor but off the pitch is good then off the pitch is considered to be poor. It is as simple as that.

Is that a tongue twister?

What the hell is Agnew on about with this statement I can't understand one iota of it,another Bloody Idiot

It means that when Rovers were playing well, everyone thought that the Rovers management/behind the scenes was also good. and Vice versa.
.
So Agnew is implying that the management/behind the scenes was not good even when Rovers were in the top half of the table. But now the 'off the pitch' is great because he and Shaw and Venky's are here and that even if the football may be crap, they have a great management team, so there's no problem really. It's our perception that is the problem, that's all. Fans are all wrong and everything is really positive, so what problem?

dallarover wrote:
Its sad that its taken a relegation to see the need for a basic management structure and also for the need for experienced players after getting rid of most of the experience in the previous squad.

However, all that said, the biggest problem is still the Manager who has to date shown nothing to suggest he is good at any aspect of the Manager's job or that he can be a good Manager at any level. If we don't get off to a good start and are competing by the end of the first couple of months then I don't think they will be able to keep him.

Agnew is saying what he would be expected to say but I was annoyed by this statement "we had been hovering around the bottom end of the Premier League table for a while There had been a danger of relegation for three of the last five seasons". Thought this was a swipe at the previous regime and almost sounds like he's saying relegation was going to come anyway. Would still like someone to stand up and take responsibility for the problems over the last 18 months.

Wild Rover wrote:

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
We all no there is something going on down at Ewood Park, we can't prove (yet) but when we do Agnew you will be run out of town for being part of it, along with the rest of the people who are destroying out club.

Oohh bet he is scared, gonna run him outta town are you cowboy?
You really are not well ..
Get a grip , siilllly man

stick to football wrote:
Was this really worth the cost of a flight to India for more of the same.

Try listening to supporters who have wasyed good money at Ewood over the last 18 months and then apportion blame for the clubs relegation

If its the supporters fault say so - we will stay away

If it is the Managers fault - do something before it is too late - like now

If it is Venkys incompetence tell them to sell up ASAP

What do you think Mr Agnew or are you too busy directing operations - does that include the Carparks?

stick to football wrote:
Was this really worth the cost of a flight to India for more of the same.

Try listening to supporters who have wasyed good money at Ewood over the last 18 months and then apportion blame for the clubs relegation

If its the supporters fault say so - we will stay away

If it is the Managers fault - do something before it is too late - like now

If it is Venkys incompetence tell them to sell up ASAP

What do you think Mr Agnew or are you too busy directing operations - does that include the Carparks?

ivegillian wrote:
Mr Agnew

You have missed - seemingly deliberately - the point.

It is far too easy to dodge a question by focussing on the 'future' when no one associated with the management of the club seem to have learnt from mistakes of the past - the multitude of mistakes that have been made since the club was sold.

The vast majority of supporters continue to be concerned by the lack of transparency and the continuing farce that is Mr Kean.

Admittedly relegation was an outcome of a combination of issues but Mr Kean should have taken his full share of responsibility and should have been dealt with accordingly.

Most of the Rovers supporters and probably most football supporters generally are staggered he is still in a job - of any kind - at the club and not just because he is our worst manager in living memory.

If at any point since he was appointed he had demonstrated any managerial quality he may just have gained a modicum of respect but he has not - apart from the ability to stand on the touchline absorbing a level of personal abuse I have never witnessed before at any football ground.

Some of this abuse was and continues to be distasteful but it reflects a level of complete and utter frustration with the overall situation that has developed since the club was sold and the very tarnished image it now projects across the world of football.

To many of us this 'tarnished image' continues to be personified by Mr Kean, the way in which he 'manages', the way in which he has conducted himself, the choice of players he has brought to the club and the absence of any form of denial that he is - in some way or other - exercising a level of control in the affairs of the club - way beyond both his ability and the role he is theoretically employed for but has singularly failed to deliver.

You are patronising us Mr Agnew, you are defending - and very poorly - an organisation and an individual that we do not trust - and which the vast majority of us will continue to distance ourselves from - until you or someone with an ounce of decency and an understanding of what a well managed football club looks like takes the necessary steps to start to rebuild some form of positive relationship with the many thousands of disgusted supporters who have no intention whatsoever of attending a game until these steps are taken.

Your comparison to Newcastle is farcical.

It was and is obvious who owns the club irrespective of what the supporters think of him.

They had a very decent man managing the team who behaved impeccably throughout - even after he was dismissed for gaining promotion for the club.

Football is more than a religion in Newcastle - I know I have lived and worked there - and 40000 supporters are generally guaranteed irrespective of team performance.

The previous highly respected management team
at Ewood worked extremely hard to build up and retain reasonable attendances,loyalty and goodwill but this has been put at jeopardy if not damaged beyond repair because of what has happened and the fact that - despite the overwhelming and contrary evidence that is staring you in the face - you seem to believe that you will be successful with Mr Kean in charge.

As stated Mr Agnew - stop patronising us.

Lancs - pensioner wrote:

Wild Rover wrote:

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
We all no there is something going on down at Ewood Park, we can't prove (yet) but when we do Agnew you will be run out of town for being part of it, along with the rest of the people who are destroying out club.

Oohh bet he is scared, gonna run him outta town are you cowboy?
You really are not well ..
Get a grip , siilllly man

Hi WR, everyone in here us saying similar things to me yet you have another pop, check your scores again mate, seems like people are getting bored with you, as I am!

Argument and debate I am up for, cheap shots are for children

GROW UP

champs95 wrote:

whappen wrote:
“Q; Firstly your new title, operations director, can you tell the fans what that consists of?”

“A; I am challenged with the responsibility of directing the operations ........".

My heart sank from this point on.

A lot of double talk and apportioning blame to their predecessors as usual.

"It would be foolish to say that everything has been okay – that can never be the case after a club has been relegated".

But every man and his dog knew everything was not OK for a long time.

"I felt the level of hostility that got through to the pitch crossed the line on what might be considered acceptable"

"Relegation always bringing a negative reaction"

Why was there such a level of hostility d'you think? And if there was such hostility during the season, how does this fit in with your theory the unrest is all down to post-relegation depression?

Were all those protesters clairvoyant? Or could they perhaps just see what was blindingly obvious.

".....we had been hovering around the bottom end of the Premier League table for a while. There had been a danger of relegation for three of the last five seasons...."

One of which was after the bumpkin you support so unswervingly had been in charge for only a matter of months; two games earlier and we would have gone down a year sooner. Nothing, but nothing, was more obvious than what happened was always going to happen.

And I thought we weren't supposed to looking back at the past. But, seeing as we are, when did we have to win on the last day to stay up during that period? When was the last time so many people knew we were doomed so early in a season?

That is the big difference.

Any club of our size can get relegated; it’s the law of the jungle. You obviously feel unhappy but usually can content youself, at least they gave it a go. The difference was we were taken down by the owners and their gross mismanagement of the club.

The suggestion relegation has been an inevitability is just another underhanded sleight on the people who had kept the club clear of relegation throughout the last decade, often by acting to put right what was wrong, even if it had been their decision that caused it.

"I have supported Rovers for 50 years and would never do anything that would affect my team’s chances of doing well.."

But you are willing to support and represent people who have destroyed a well run club which punched above it’s weight year on year. The most damaging thing you are doing is retaining the services of a team manager who has clearly shown he does not have the ability to do the job. It is not possible to have a more negative affect on “your team”.

"...football is an opinions game.."

Maybe so but when you can back them up with hard evidence it becomes a whole lot more straightforward. Purely on results alone, this man should not be anywhere near this football club. Nor should he have been for the last seven months - at least.

If you are going to learn from the past, then look at what happened with Brian Kidd or Paul Ince. They couldn't do the job, they got fired.

Just to make that clear for you;

They could not do the job, they got fired.

Learn from your mistakes!? The biggest one is still sitting in the manager's chair. But then your not going to try and get the man who got you your job fired are you? Not that you dare even suggest it. We all know what happens to dissenters now don't we? They suddenly become a financial burden and sadly have to be let go.

"...he has the backing of the owners as we all strive to make tomorrow better than yesterday..."

God help us all.

Excellent post.

Bill Carson wrote:

ivegillian wrote:
Mr Agnew

You have missed - seemingly deliberately - the point.

It is far too easy to dodge a question by focussing on the 'future' when no one associated with the management of the club seem to have learnt from mistakes of the past - the multitude of mistakes that have been made since the club was sold.

The vast majority of supporters continue to be concerned by the lack of transparency and the continuing farce that is Mr Kean.

Admittedly relegation was an outcome of a combination of issues but Mr Kean should have taken his full share of responsibility and should have been dealt with accordingly.

Most of the Rovers supporters and probably most football supporters generally are staggered he is still in a job - of any kind - at the club and not just because he is our worst manager in living memory.

If at any point since he was appointed he had demonstrated any managerial quality he may just have gained a modicum of respect but he has not - apart from the ability to stand on the touchline absorbing a level of personal abuse I have never witnessed before at any football ground.

Some of this abuse was and continues to be distasteful but it reflects a level of complete and utter frustration with the overall situation that has developed since the club was sold and the very tarnished image it now projects across the world of football.

To many of us this 'tarnished image' continues to be personified by Mr Kean, the way in which he 'manages', the way in which he has conducted himself, the choice of players he has brought to the club and the absence of any form of denial that he is - in some way or other - exercising a level of control in the affairs of the club - way beyond both his ability and the role he is theoretically employed for but has singularly failed to deliver.

You are patronising us Mr Agnew, you are defending - and very poorly - an organisation and an individual that we do not trust - and which the vast majority of us will continue to distance ourselves from - until you or someone with an ounce of decency and an understanding of what a well managed football club looks like takes the necessary steps to start to rebuild some form of positive relationship with the many thousands of disgusted supporters who have no intention whatsoever of attending a game until these steps are taken.

Your comparison to Newcastle is farcical.

It was and is obvious who owns the club irrespective of what the supporters think of him.

They had a very decent man managing the team who behaved impeccably throughout - even after he was dismissed for gaining promotion for the club.

Football is more than a religion in Newcastle - I know I have lived and worked there - and 40000 supporters are generally guaranteed irrespective of team performance.

The previous highly respected management team
at Ewood worked extremely hard to build up and retain reasonable attendances,loyalty and goodwill but this has been put at jeopardy if not damaged beyond repair because of what has happened and the fact that - despite the overwhelming and contrary evidence that is staring you in the face - you seem to believe that you will be successful with Mr Kean in charge.

As stated Mr Agnew - stop patronising us.

Absolutely brilliantly put, I take my hat off to you!!

Please email or post this directly to Mr Agnew at BRFC, I wonder what the response would be?

Wild Rover wrote:

Lancs - pensioner wrote:

Wild Rover wrote:

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
We all no there is something going on down at Ewood Park, we can't prove (yet) but when we do Agnew you will be run out of town for being part of it, along with the rest of the people who are destroying out club.

Oohh bet he is scared, gonna run him outta town are you cowboy?
You really are not well ..
Get a grip , siilllly man

Hi WR, everyone in here us saying similar things to me yet you have another pop, check your scores again mate, seems like people are getting bored with you, as I am!

Argument and debate I am up for, cheap shots are for children

GROW UP

What, like you? You use your multi id,s to post bogus votes to show how fed up you are with me and I am supposed to be impressed?
You post a comment trying to sound hard like John Wayne and I need to grow up
Best laugh I have had today and dont call me mate

fitz808 wrote:
i don't know how you lot have the energy, i really don't.
perfectly reasonable article and set of responses for those of us who live in the real world. seriously, are any of you expecting him to come out and say, "kean was poor last year, it is all his fault and he's got to get 10 wins in the first 10 games or he's out of here?"
he's not. kean remains our manager for the time being and you lot aren't coming to the games. ok, fair dos. let the rest of us move on please.
last year, we wouldn't have had this interview at all. that in itself is progress and long may it continue. if you don't like what you hear, fair enough. but it does seem like most of you will view the words through unfairly negative glasses to pick out the problems, just as i will do the opposite. once again, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but let's just let them get on with trying to put things right.

formerover wrote:
I to am part of the 80% if the club cared Kean would be sacked, no chance of me going back and watching painful displays of football and paying for the privlege, this man has helped me to almost hate the game I love, as for the new management they would make great politicans given all the crap they speak.

Wild Rover wrote:

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
We all no there is something going on down at Ewood Park, we can't prove (yet) but when we do Agnew you will be run out of town for being part of it, along with the rest of the people who are destroying out club.

Oohh bet he is scared, gonna run him outta town are you cowboy?
You really are not well ..
Get a grip , siilllly man

RUinsane wrote:
Can't believe he said we are going to learn from our mistakes and put it right.
Point A
If you employ uncle fester the cone collector as manager, you get relegated.
Point B
If you sell your best players, you get relegated.
Point C
If you let your experienced players go, you get relegated.
Point D
If you play lots of kids you get relegated
Point E
If you put a sheite team on the pitch whilst your experinced and better players are watching from the stands or in some cases the Dubai formula 1 circuit, you get relegated.
Point F
It you try and run a succesful premier league club like Tommy Balls shop outlet, you get relegated.
Point G
If you don't spend the money you gained from selling your best players on players of an equal cost, you slowly become sheiter and you get relegated.
So when you have learnt from these mistakes, Mr Agnew, can you please inform us because from where I'm looking, it seems like you have now lost the fans through talking utter bollax about your total disregard to any of the points listed above.
You and your cronies said we had an ageing squad that needed updating, you have now signed players older than the ones who left, and continue to scour the world for untried high risk signings which were your undoing last season.
Anything learnt? We have, if you go to the shop and the goods on display are shoddy, you take your custom elsewhere.

BashirShah wrote:
Sorry, can someone explain what this means? "off the pitch is poor"?

my head hurts!

Roverthere wrote:

RUinsane wrote:
Can't believe he said we are going to learn from our mistakes and put it right.
Point A
If you employ uncle fester the cone collector as manager, you get relegated.
Point B
If you sell your best players, you get relegated.
Point C
If you let your experienced players go, you get relegated.
Point D
If you play lots of kids you get relegated
Point E
If you put a sheite team on the pitch whilst your experinced and better players are watching from the stands or in some cases the Dubai formula 1 circuit, you get relegated.
Point F
It you try and run a succesful premier league club like Tommy Balls shop outlet, you get relegated.
Point G
If you don't spend the money you gained from selling your best players on players of an equal cost, you slowly become sheiter and you get relegated.
So when you have learnt from these mistakes, Mr Agnew, can you please inform us because from where I'm looking, it seems like you have now lost the fans through talking utter bollax about your total disregard to any of the points listed above.
You and your cronies said we had an ageing squad that needed updating, you have now signed players older than the ones who left, and continue to scour the world for untried high risk signings which were your undoing last season.
Anything learnt? We have, if you go to the shop and the goods on display are shoddy, you take your custom elsewhere.

Don't knock Tommy Balls, good shoes once the string breaks!

P888HOW wrote:
Agnew," we must lean by are mistakes." making Kean manager of BFC was a massive mistake, SO SACK HIM.!!!

reiko082 wrote:
To reply to some of those questions by implying Rovers fans won't be renewing due to relegation and who is on the fixture list or comparing us to Newcastle and Southampton shows just exactly the cynical issue deflecting of the club.

Nor do I understand a large amount of fans here saying "I'm not coming back 'til Kean goes" etc. as if he's the be all and end all at the club.

The contempt shown by the clubs owners towards the fans last season ought to be the reason they don't go this season. The refusal to legitimise a lying, secretive, shambolic, dysfunctional, inept regime ought to be the reason. The fight to GET OUR CLUB BACK ought to be the reason.

benal13 wrote:

reiko082 wrote:
To reply to some of those questions by implying Rovers fans won't be renewing due to relegation and who is on the fixture list or comparing us to Newcastle and Southampton shows just exactly the cynical issue deflecting of the club.

Nor do I understand a large amount of fans here saying "I'm not coming back 'til Kean goes" etc. as if he's the be all and end all at the club.

The contempt shown by the clubs owners towards the fans last season ought to be the reason they don't go this season. The refusal to legitimise a lying, secretive, shambolic, dysfunctional, inept regime ought to be the reason. The fight to GET OUR CLUB BACK ought to be the reason.

some good points here it is alot deeper than just kean!

Roverthere wrote:

benal13 wrote:

reiko082 wrote:
To reply to some of those questions by implying Rovers fans won't be renewing due to relegation and who is on the fixture list or comparing us to Newcastle and Southampton shows just exactly the cynical issue deflecting of the club.

Nor do I understand a large amount of fans here saying "I'm not coming back 'til Kean goes" etc. as if he's the be all and end all at the club.

The contempt shown by the clubs owners towards the fans last season ought to be the reason they don't go this season. The refusal to legitimise a lying, secretive, shambolic, dysfunctional, inept regime ought to be the reason. The fight to GET OUR CLUB BACK ought to be the reason.

some good points here it is alot deeper than just kean!

Yes a lot deeper than Kean. The whole structure of the club has been destroyed and replaced with inferior, unproven and previously failed people. Why, why, why, should be the question? If the owners could not support the club at its previous level they should be upfront and say this. We are all fed up of bullshxt and promises by these arrogant owners and thier stooges.

ivegillian wrote:
Mr Agnew

You have missed - seemingly deliberately - the point.

It is far too easy to dodge a question by focussing on the 'future' when no one associated with the management of the club seem to have learnt from mistakes of the past - the multitude of mistakes that have been made since the club was sold.

The vast majority of supporters continue to be concerned by the lack of transparency and the continuing farce that is Mr Kean.

Admittedly relegation was an outcome of a combination of issues but Mr Kean should have taken his full share of responsibility and should have been dealt with accordingly.

Most of the Rovers supporters and probably most football supporters generally are staggered he is still in a job - of any kind - at the club and not just because he is our worst manager in living memory.

If at any point since he was appointed he had demonstrated any managerial quality he may just have gained a modicum of respect but he has not - apart from the ability to stand on the touchline absorbing a level of personal abuse I have never witnessed before at any football ground.

Some of this abuse was and continues to be distasteful but it reflects a level of complete and utter frustration with the overall situation that has developed since the club was sold and the very tarnished image it now projects across the world of football.

To many of us this 'tarnished image' continues to be personified by Mr Kean, the way in which he 'manages', the way in which he has conducted himself, the choice of players he has brought to the club and the absence of any form of denial that he is - in some way or other - exercising a level of control in the affairs of the club - way beyond both his ability and the role he is theoretically employed for but has singularly failed to deliver.

You are patronising us Mr Agnew, you are defending - and very poorly - an organisation and an individual that we do not trust - and which the vast majority of us will continue to distance ourselves from - until you or someone with an ounce of decency and an understanding of what a well managed football club looks like takes the necessary steps to start to rebuild some form of positive relationship with the many thousands of disgusted supporters who have no intention whatsoever of attending a game until these steps are taken.

Your comparison to Newcastle is farcical.

It was and is obvious who owns the club irrespective of what the supporters think of him.

They had a very decent man managing the team who behaved impeccably throughout - even after he was dismissed for gaining promotion for the club.

Football is more than a religion in Newcastle - I know I have lived and worked there - and 40000 supporters are generally guaranteed irrespective of team performance.

The previous highly respected management team
at Ewood worked extremely hard to build up and retain reasonable attendances,loyalty and goodwill but this has been put at jeopardy if not damaged beyond repair because of what has happened and the fact that - despite the overwhelming and contrary evidence that is staring you in the face - you seem to believe that you will be successful with Mr Kean in charge.

As stated Mr Agnew - stop patronising us.

R0BB0 wrote:
we all know Kean is the problem here right ? were just goin to have to deal with it... he will not stop me going to Ewood... do you think he cares weather you go or not ? get your ticket and support our boys is my call... your all entitled to do what you feel best for your club but in all honestly and in my opinion, staying away is only hurting the team, not the owners, they genuinly are not that bothered that you dont go to ewood

Strogbow wrote:
Who's not going because were in the championship and not just hiding behind the until Kean/Venkys go statement, be honest.

Harwoodstblue wrote:

Strogbow wrote:
Who's not going because were in the championship and not just hiding behind the until Kean/Venkys go statement, be honest.

I'm not going because of all the lies from the owners and Kean. Did you read their mission statement after buying the club?

When they start being honest and keeping to the promises they made and stop treating the fans with contempt, and like something on the bottom of their shoe, I might just consider going again.

When they stop selling our better players and replacing them with inferior ones, I might consider going again.

When they start putting IN, the £5 million per transfer window, like they said they would instead of taking money OUT, I might consider going again.

When they employ a proper football manager instead of a coach without a clue, I might consider going again.

I could go on and on but it's all been said before. Those that don't agree, it's their prerogative, but I can see the full picture rather than those who close their eyes and see only what they want to see.

Strogbow wrote:
Who's not going because were in the championship and not just hiding behind the until Kean/Venkys go statement, be honest.

DanBlackburn wrote:

Strogbow wrote:
Who's not going because were in the championship and not just hiding behind the until Kean/Venkys go statement, be honest.

Idiot.

Clearly not a Rovers fan or you wouldn't come out with such nonsense.