Rovers plot ambitious move for Murphy (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Morst The 88th Min Heartbreaker of Dingles! wrote:
I don't care if we even sign Messi - Get Out Kean you are not wanted and never will be.
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34th....

petemcglinn wrote:
It's an experienced manager we need first.

adcr wrote:
So we get rid of all of our experienced players last year because they are too old, and we try to replace them with a 35 year old. Maybe 2 years ago he would have been a good signing (if we had gone down then), but now I doubt he will have the legs. And I bet he will be demanding well over and above the money for a player in his mid-thirties playing in the championship. It wouldn't surprise me if he is trying to get around £25,000 - £35,000 a week.

I just don't understand the game plan at all. I accept things have changed since our relegation; I don't accept though the never-ending news of people being sacked and lack of a coherent way forward. An example of a lack of a coherent way forward is a player such as Murphy who would be one of our top earners next season and could easily turn out to be the next Grella. I know from personal experience how easily you pick up injuries in your mid-thirties and how quickly your speed and fitness levels drop.

BlueSkies wrote:
KEAN OUT banner on display with Rovers/England fans inside stadium in Kiev last night.

Brilliant.

See Daily Mail, sweden v england 'as it happened'

adcr wrote:

BlueSkies wrote: KEAN OUT banner on display with Rovers/England fans inside stadium in Kiev last night. Brilliant. See Daily Mail, sweden v england 'as it happened'

Saw it, someone also said in the comments section below the article that they saw the same banner at a noel gallagher concert (i believe he is playing in that part of the world). So Kean out is on tour

Harwoodstblue wrote:

adcr wrote:
So we get rid of all of our experienced players last year because they are too old, and we try to replace them with a 35 year old. Maybe 2 years ago he would have been a good signing (if we had gone down then), but now I doubt he will have the legs. And I bet he will be demanding well over and above the money for a player in his mid-thirties playing in the championship. It wouldn't surprise me if he is trying to get around £25,000 - £35,000 a week.

I just don't understand the game plan at all. I accept things have changed since our relegation; I don't accept though the never-ending news of people being sacked and lack of a coherent way forward. An example of a lack of a coherent way forward is a player such as Murphy who would be one of our top earners next season and could easily turn out to be the next Grella. I know from personal experience how easily you pick up injuries in your mid-thirties and how quickly your speed and fitness levels drop.

No one understands their game plan. They don't communicate and they tell us nothing. Yet they expect us to buy season tickets and support their business.
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What a weird set of people they are and what a weird set up. Full stop.

adcr wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
KEAN OUT banner on display with Rovers/England fans inside stadium in Kiev last night.

Brilliant.

See Daily Mail, sweden v england 'as it happened'

Saw it, someone also said in the comments section below the article that they saw the same banner at a noel gallagher concert (i believe he is playing in that part of the world). So Kean out is on tour

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

Morst The 88th Min Heartbreaker of Dingles! wrote:
I don't care if we even sign Messi - Get Out Kean you are not wanted and never will be.
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34th....

Morning Mr Morst :)

I hate being jolted awake, but again the odious freak has managed just that with his vision for the future. No disrespect to Murphy, of course. Just that the odious one is still making decisions down at Ewood regardless of his utterly abject, and abysmal record.

Let us hope that his decision making is cut short in the not to distant future ?

Arte et labore

greenscreener wrote:

adcr wrote:

BlueSkies wrote: KEAN OUT banner on display with Rovers/England fans inside stadium in Kiev last night. Brilliant. See Daily Mail, sweden v england 'as it happened'

Saw it, someone also said in the comments section below the article that they saw the same banner at a noel gallagher concert (i believe he is playing in that part of the world). So Kean out is on tour

Only reason I can see Venkys think we need a global advisor, Shabby **** will be touring the world taking down "Kean Out" Banners.

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
Does any one know the cost of a full page advert in the LT or the Daily Mirror for a coupke of weeks (seriously).

Club together and let the world knows what the fans think of Kean and the Venkys, as long as its not libellous what harm can it do, I would give £25 to start the ball rolling!! Ideas to what we place would be appreciated, keep them clean!!!

Nurseman wrote:
WHY IS KEAN STILL HERE?????

If he is there on the touchline for our first home game, goodness knows whats going to happen. I would say there may be a riot. In all seriousness though it would be the ultimate insult to all the supporters and fans

Nurseman wrote:
WHY IS KEAN STILL HERE?????

If he is there on the touchline for our first home game, goodness knows whats going to happen. I would say there may be a riot. In all seriousness though it would be the ultimate insult to all the supporters and fans

maltese blue n white wrote:
35 yrs old in the most physical league in Britain... Only the idiot Kean could dream that one up.. Or is this just another job for one of his pals? God knows he's in need of some around Blackburn... Venky's out, Kean out, and anyone that stands by the odious little toad out too...

Coeur de Lion wrote:

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
Does any one know the cost of a full page advert in the LT or the Daily Mirror for a coupke of weeks (seriously).

Club together and let the world knows what the fans think of Kean and the Venkys, as long as its not libellous what harm can it do, I would give £25 to start the ball rolling!! Ideas to what we place would be appreciated, keep them clean!!!

Put me down for £25 as well.

Coeur de Lion wrote:

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
Does any one know the cost of a full page advert in the LT or the Daily Mirror for a coupke of weeks (seriously).

Club together and let the world knows what the fans think of Kean and the Venkys, as long as its not libellous what harm can it do, I would give £25 to start the ball rolling!! Ideas to what we place would be appreciated, keep them clean!!!

Put me down for £25 as well.

RUinsane wrote:
Danny murphy, whilst I cannot see him wanting to come, this may be the kind of player we need. Remember a certain Mr Gordan Cowans. Very similar player who came and conquered. It was even more physical and not much craft in them days. We need someone who can pick a pass and thread the needle. If we can get him and keep him out of the sick bay, he may well do a great job. You just have to surround him with young headless chickens, of which venky's have millions.

jeppo wrote:
Nelsen Andrews Roberts...what a great three signings they would be, just the experienced type of players Steve Kean craves. Perfect for getting us back up.
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Problem is, they would also have been perfect for keeping us in the Premier League, but some idiot let them go.

A Darener wrote:

RUinsane wrote:
Danny murphy, whilst I cannot see him wanting to come, this may be the kind of player we need. Remember a certain Mr Gordan Cowans. Very similar player who came and conquered. It was even more physical and not much craft in them days. We need someone who can pick a pass and thread the needle. If we can get him and keep him out of the sick bay, he may well do a great job. You just have to surround him with young headless chickens, of which venky's have millions.

We don't want anybody doing "a great job" whilst Kean and the Venky's are still around!

bluenick wrote:

jeppo wrote:
Nelsen Andrews Roberts...what a great three signings they would be, just the experienced type of players Steve Kean craves. Perfect for getting us back up.
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Problem is, they would also have been perfect for keeping us in the Premier League, but some idiot let them go.

Why did half of the fans slag 2 out of the 3 players off on a regular basis then? I was once sat in front of one odius person who did nothing but shout & call Roberts,even before he touched the ball, all game !

nontetleysdog wrote:

Coeur de Lion wrote:

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
Does any one know the cost of a full page advert in the LT or the Daily Mirror for a coupke of weeks (seriously).

Club together and let the world knows what the fans think of Kean and the Venkys, as long as its not libellous what harm can it do, I would give £25 to start the ball rolling!! Ideas to what we place would be appreciated, keep them clean!!!

Put me down for £25 as well.

You sure you can afford £25 out of your giro ? As i have a job can you book me down for £5000

I have already pledged £1 million to buy Trampwood park from venkys.... what the hell it is for a good cause.

A Darener wrote:

RUinsane wrote:
Danny murphy, whilst I cannot see him wanting to come, this may be the kind of player we need. Remember a certain Mr Gordan Cowans. Very similar player who came and conquered. It was even more physical and not much craft in them days. We need someone who can pick a pass and thread the needle. If we can get him and keep him out of the sick bay, he may well do a great job. You just have to surround him with young headless chickens, of which venky's have millions.

We don't want anybody doing "a great job" whilst Kean and the Venky's are still around!

Hovis1945 wrote:
Apparently that crock who may never play again, Ryan Nelsen, has signed for QPR!!

Hovis1945 wrote:
Apparently that crock who may never play again, Ryan Nelsen, has signed for QPR!!

RUinsane wrote:

Hovis1945 wrote:
Apparently that crock who may never play again, Ryan Nelsen, has signed for QPR!!

It was obvious to all that, he's in traction with the strangest injury known to man. We have shipped him off to New Zealand to see what the rugby world can make of it. We have a preist on call 24 7 to administer the last rites and his family are holding a bedside vigil. He is lucky that we have him attached to the iron lung or we may have lost him. I told them that we should not let him go as when he is breathing unaided he is as good as bobby moore. We just couldn't afford his medical any longer so he was sent, complete with iron lung, preist and family, to tottenham hotspital, or hotspur which is french polonesian for hospital.
Good luck Ryan, we hope you pull through, at the moment he is communicating through blinking. We will pray and light candles.

rankoutsider wrote:

A Darener wrote:

RUinsane wrote:
Danny murphy, whilst I cannot see him wanting to come, this may be the kind of player we need. Remember a certain Mr Gordan Cowans. Very similar player who came and conquered. It was even more physical and not much craft in them days. We need someone who can pick a pass and thread the needle. If we can get him and keep him out of the sick bay, he may well do a great job. You just have to surround him with young headless chickens, of which venky's have millions.

We don't want anybody doing "a great job" whilst Kean and the Venky's are still around!

A Darnener you really are an idiot - the club is bigger than any of it's parts, including the CURRENT owners / manager.

Also I never said Danny Murphy was at the same level as Tugay - who is a true rovers legend.

A Darener wrote:

rankoutsider wrote:

A Darener wrote:

RUinsane wrote:
Danny murphy, whilst I cannot see him wanting to come, this may be the kind of player we need. Remember a certain Mr Gordan Cowans. Very similar player who came and conquered. It was even more physical and not much craft in them days. We need someone who can pick a pass and thread the needle. If we can get him and keep him out of the sick bay, he may well do a great job. You just have to surround him with young headless chickens, of which venky's have millions.

We don't want anybody doing "a great job" whilst Kean and the Venky's are still around!

A Darnener you really are an idiot - the club is bigger than any of it's parts, including the CURRENT owners / manager.

Also I never said Danny Murphy was at the same level as Tugay - who is a true rovers legend.

I am sorry but I will not stoop to name calling.

The club is being attacked by a cancer. The only way to deal with a cancer is to cut it out. If that means that we have to sink even lower then so be it. We must discourage any footballer from joining this vile regime at all costs. It is the only way to get our once proud club back.
We must do all in our power to see that they do not flourish otherwise they are here or keeps.

Bill Carson wrote:
Just read that Ryan Nelson has signed a 1yr deal with Hughes's QPR. Seem to remember the bald clown telling us he had a career threatening injury, nothing to do with him being a decent solid pro on Prem wages!!

KEAN OUT

VENKY'S SELL THE CLUB

RTID & Boycott Ewood

A Darener wrote:

Nurseman wrote:
WHY IS KEAN STILL HERE?????

If he is there on the touchline for our first home game, goodness knows whats going to happen. I would say there may be a riot. In all seriousness though it would be the ultimate insult to all the supporters and fans

Nothing will happen, because all those attending the first home game must be Kean supporters. If they are not why are they supporting this circus? And don't reply by saying you are supporting the team!
You are NOT!

thresholdweller wrote:

maltese blue n white wrote:
35 yrs old in the most physical league in Britain... Only the idiot Kean could dream that one up.. Or is this just another job for one of his pals? God knows he's in need of some around Blackburn... Venky's out, Kean out, and anyone that stands by the odious little toad out too...

Graham Alexander managed it. Danny Murphy knows how to control a ball and not give it away. However, older players can be injury prone eg Ryan Nelsen, Davis Dunn. Perhaps we need a box to box pro as well. Keith Andrews is available and has been one of the few decent performers in the Irish team. Oh no. We drove him out of the club - I forgot. Still, if we are to sign any players, or sell for that matter, we need administrative staff - do we have any? Venkys were unavailable to comment.

benal13 wrote:
IT HAD TO BE MURPHY THE MAN WHO ACCUSED BIG SAM OF SENDING ROVERS TEAMS OUT TO DELIBERATLY HURT PLAYERS WHY AM I NOT SUPPRISED

Stone Island. wrote:
It just goes to show how far we have fallen from grace, when the local rag describe our move for a 35 year old has been, as ambitious.

On another note; I see we are playing Fleetwood and Accrington in pre season friendlies. We better get used to it, because we'll be playing them in the league, in the not too distant future.

Coeur de Lion wrote:

adcr wrote:

BlueSkies wrote: KEAN OUT banner on display with Rovers/England fans inside stadium in Kiev last night. Brilliant. See Daily Mail, sweden v england 'as it happened'

Saw it, someone also said in the comments section below the article that they saw the same banner at a noel gallagher concert (i believe he is playing in that part of the world). So Kean out is on tour

Well done lads with the banner, spread the word and keep the faith and one day we will be rid of these crooks.

jeppo wrote:
Nelsen Andrews Roberts...what a great three signings they would be, just the experienced type of players Steve Kean craves. Perfect for getting us back up.
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Problem is, they would also have been perfect for keeping us in the Premier League, but some idiot let them go.

Morst The 88th Min Heartbreaker of Dingles! wrote:

jeppo wrote:
Nelsen Andrews Roberts...what a great three signings they would be, just the experienced type of players Steve Kean craves. Perfect for getting us back up.
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Problem is, they would also have been perfect for keeping us in the Premier League, but some idiot let them go.

Nelsen has signed for QPR with Sparky!

French Rover wrote:

A Darener wrote:

Nurseman wrote:
WHY IS KEAN STILL HERE?????

If he is there on the touchline for our first home game, goodness knows whats going to happen. I would say there may be a riot. In all seriousness though it would be the ultimate insult to all the supporters and fans

Nothing will happen, because all those attending the first home game must be Kean supporters. If they are not why are they supporting this circus? And don't reply by saying you are supporting the team!
You are NOT!

There will be 10k plus on for the first home game no matter who it is against...and if it's against Burnley then it will be a full house.

Watching the Rovers despite the tradegy that is being played out with the Venkys and Kean et al is still a massive pull in a lot of fans lives.

Hope the first game is away...

craftandgraft wrote:
Apparently it's a mistake. Keano said to Agnew that he fancied a pint of Murphys...and Agnew misheard him and approached Fulham. KEAN OUT AGNEW OUT KENTARO OUT Arte et Labore ps. couldn't organize a p*ssup in a brewery ( well actually they probably could )

Lancs - pensioner wrote:

French Rover wrote:

A Darener wrote:

Nurseman wrote:
WHY IS KEAN STILL HERE?????

If he is there on the touchline for our first home game, goodness knows whats going to happen. I would say there may be a riot. In all seriousness though it would be the ultimate insult to all the supporters and fans

Nothing will happen, because all those attending the first home game must be Kean supporters. If they are not why are they supporting this circus? And don't reply by saying you are supporting the team!
You are NOT!

There will be 10k plus on for the first home game no matter who it is against...and if it's against Burnley then it will be a full house.

Watching the Rovers despite the tradegy that is being played out with the Venkys and Kean et al is still a massive pull in a lot of fans lives.

Hope the first game is away...

Sorry Frenchy, the pull for most fans includes me and lots more, but this has gone to far, I believe there will be a mass exodus because we have just had enough, there are plenty of things to do on a Saturday afternoon and it may be years before most fans return, including myself, let's hope Kean gets sacked and Venkys sell up then we can all return to our club.

benal13 wrote:

benal13 wrote:
IT HAD TO BE MURPHY THE MAN WHO ACCUSED BIG SAM OF SENDING ROVERS TEAMS OUT TO DELIBERATLY HURT PLAYERS WHY AM I NOT SUPPRISED

ANYTHING TO GET BACK AT BIG SAM

benal13 wrote:
IT HAD TO BE MURPHY THE MAN WHO ACCUSED BIG SAM OF SENDING ROVERS TEAMS OUT TO DELIBERATLY HURT PLAYERS WHY AM I NOT SUPPRISED

Rovers75 wrote:
Ambitious? Steve Kean? Danny Murphy? Venkys? Relentless filth. Danny Murphy would rather play for The Dog and Duck reserves than the the propaganda king of spin and the poison from Pune.

Hovis1945 wrote:
Is this the same Danny Murphy who slagged Rovers off not long ago?

DaBoss wrote:
****.. Who needs fans when you got this happy bunch?

I so wish you could see faces on LET so you could pick out all those in denial of attending rovers matches regardless as long as Kean/Venky's are in control. Seems like every LET article is now just another forum for the naysayers to copy and paste the same repetitive post, as anyone in any position of power is actually reading a small town newspaper comments section.

If you dont like it. Leave it, what's the point hanging around spouting venom and insulting anyone and everyone who doesnt agree with your negative "we're all doomed" mantra?

bluenick wrote:

jeppo wrote: Nelsen Andrews Roberts...what a great three signings they would be, just the experienced type of players Steve Kean craves. Perfect for getting us back up. . Problem is, they would also have been perfect for keeping us in the Premier League, but some idiot let them go.

Why did half of the fans slag 2 out of the 3 players off on a regular basis then? I was once sat in front of one odius person who did nothing but shout & call Roberts,even before he touched the ball, all game !

fullofhatred4kean wrote:
get rid of all the good youngsters and bring a 35 year old in,now thats what i call forward thinking.just when you think things cant get worse.

Hovis1945 wrote:
Is this the same Danny Murphy who slagged Rovers off not long ago?

rovers11-12 wrote:

fullofhatred4kean wrote:
get rid of all the good youngsters and bring a 35 year old in,now thats what i call forward thinking.just when you think things cant get worse.

Which good youngsters (plural) have we got rid of?

Harwoodstblue wrote:

DaBoss wrote:
****.. Who needs fans when you got this happy bunch?

I so wish you could see faces on LET so you could pick out all those in denial of attending rovers matches regardless as long as Kean/Venky's are in control. Seems like every LET article is now just another forum for the naysayers to copy and paste the same repetitive post, as anyone in any position of power is actually reading a small town newspaper comments section.

If you dont like it. Leave it, what's the point hanging around spouting venom and insulting anyone and everyone who doesnt agree with your negative "we're all doomed" mantra?

Da Boss. I think this sums you up perfectly.


"Dr Zinc says"
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"DaBoss, you do appear to be very assured by Venkys business motives, so much so that you have burnley fans agreeing with you.

Venkys have so far, sold the majority of Blackburns 'prized assets'; their best players and replaced them with cheap inferior ones

They have sacked experienced backroom staff and simply not replaced them

Now, this may well be a business model based around economising
but who gives a rats arse !
This is a footall club that is being driven into the ground
by very successful business people whom you label 'ill-informed'

There is just as much an argument for some of the more outlandish theories on here as their is your argument full of woolly pseudo-intellect concerned only with enhancing your self esteem through some sort of one-up-manship"

DaBoss wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

DaBoss wrote:
****.. Who needs fans when you got this happy bunch?

I so wish you could see faces on LET so you could pick out all those in denial of attending rovers matches regardless as long as Kean/Venky's are in control. Seems like every LET article is now just another forum for the naysayers to copy and paste the same repetitive post, as anyone in any position of power is actually reading a small town newspaper comments section.

If you dont like it. Leave it, what's the point hanging around spouting venom and insulting anyone and everyone who doesnt agree with your negative "we're all doomed" mantra?

Da Boss. I think this sums you up perfectly.


"Dr Zinc says"
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"DaBoss, you do appear to be very assured by Venkys business motives, so much so that you have burnley fans agreeing with you.

Venkys have so far, sold the majority of Blackburns 'prized assets'; their best players and replaced them with cheap inferior ones

They have sacked experienced backroom staff and simply not replaced them

Now, this may well be a business model based around economising
but who gives a rats arse !
This is a footall club that is being driven into the ground
by very successful business people whom you label 'ill-informed'

There is just as much an argument for some of the more outlandish theories on here as their is your argument full of woolly pseudo-intellect concerned only with enhancing your self esteem through some sort of one-up-manship"

I think that Venky's are not blameless is for everyone to see, as to the "woolly one upmanship to enhance my self esteem" just goes to show the level of juvenile and banal commenting that goes on here without any need for facts whilst rejecting any opinion that doesn't stink of doom, gloom and destruction.

Carry on soldier. Your dingle needs you.

DaBoss wrote:
RUInsane, you're either new here or another defeatist who had to change their username to avoid humiliation for being so dumb.

Re-read my previous posts about where I stand on Venky's ownership and tell me where I stated about getting behind the team or accepting dingles before spouting that rubbish, then I might consider debating with you.

RUinsane wrote:

DaBoss wrote:
RUInsane, you're either new here or another defeatist who had to change their username to avoid humiliation for being so dumb.

Re-read my previous posts about where I stand on Venky's ownership and tell me where I stated about getting behind the team or accepting dingles before spouting that rubbish, then I might consider debating with you.

Does it matter if I am new or not, you obviously infuriated me that much by agreeing with an obsessed turd that I felt the need to voice my opinion.
I care not for your offer of mass debating as you did with BB4 claret, it was all a bit too electric 6 for me.
Sensible debate I can handle but I will not have an obsessed turd posting half an hour compositions of why we should accept our new found home. I don't accept that.We have been taken there. It was not through lack of luck and it is not our rightful place as you were intimating with the turd.
Our rightful place is in the PL, we have the facilities and we used to have the infrastucture until it was systematically dismantled. For venky's to then come out and say we are confused and we don't know whats happened is just plain bullsheister.
You sell your best players, you get relegated. It can't be much simpler, so for the likes of you and the turd to come here and say they were naive just rubs folk up the wrong way.
Who are you anyway, Your username has only appeared in the last few weeks. Never seen you here before.
I'm not a naysayer or doom merchant, but I'm not a fool either.
The facts speak for themselves
Nelsen, career ending injury
Salgado, he's injured.
P Jones is not for sale
Samba is not for sale
Emerton wants to go home
El Hadj, is such a naughty boy
Kalanic, doesn't fit in.
Andrews, is having it bad
Roberts does not feature in what we are trying to achieve.

Now hand on heart, would that lineup above not have kept us in the PL?
Yes it would so the conclusion is, considering we have a manager with the worst win ratio in football history, we have been taken down deliberately in order to balance the books. But they look pretty stupid now as there is another extra 30 million for every club up there. Fantastic business acumen.
I will support the team, but I will not ever accept what has transpired over the last 18 months.

RUinsane wrote:

DaBoss wrote:
RUInsane, you're either new here or another defeatist who had to change their username to avoid humiliation for being so dumb.

Re-read my previous posts about where I stand on Venky's ownership and tell me where I stated about getting behind the team or accepting dingles before spouting that rubbish, then I might consider debating with you.

Does it matter if I am new or not, you obviously infuriated me that much by agreeing with an obsessed turd that I felt the need to voice my opinion.
I care not for your offer of mass debating as you did with BB4 claret, it was all a bit too electric 6 for me.
Sensible debate I can handle but I will not have an obsessed turd posting half an hour compositions of why we should accept our new found home. I don't accept that.We have been taken there. It was not through lack of luck and it is not our rightful place as you were intimating with the turd.
Our rightful place is in the PL, we have the facilities and we used to have the infrastucture until it was systematically dismantled. For venky's to then come out and say we are confused and we don't know whats happened is just plain bullsheister.
You sell your best players, you get relegated. It can't be much simpler, so for the likes of you and the turd to come here and say they were naive just rubs folk up the wrong way.
Who are you anyway, Your username has only appeared in the last few weeks. Never seen you here before.
I'm not a naysayer or doom merchant, but I'm not a fool either.
The facts speak for themselves
Nelsen, career ending injury
Salgado, he's injured.
P Jones is not for sale
Samba is not for sale
Emerton wants to go home
El Hadj, is such a naughty boy
Kalanic, doesn't fit in.
Andrews, is having it bad
Roberts does not feature in what we are trying to achieve.

Now hand on heart, would that lineup above not have kept us in the PL?
Yes it would so the conclusion is, considering we have a manager with the worst win ratio in football history, we have been taken down deliberately in order to balance the books. But they look pretty stupid now as there is another extra 30 million for every club up there. Fantastic business acumen.
I will support the team, but I will not ever accept what has transpired over the last 18 months.

noddymcleod wrote:
"Ambitious" ?
35 years old, no legs left, out of contract... "ambitious" ?

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:
DaBoss as much as you wish for your comments to have credence all matters BRFC, unfortunately your apologetic nuances toward the destruction(in the short term at least) of BRFC is disconcerting to say the least.

This lot between them have systematically destroyed a reputable and well run club.

Comments should be based in and around these facts in my opinion.

I, after initially supporting the whole set up in the most practicable of ways reached the point in which I realized that my devotion, commitment and dedication was, in short, having the rise taken out of it by these lying, incompetent and amateurish buffoons.

Like most on here I have attempted to rationalize, reason, and be fair minded over matters at Ewood, but they have failed due to the lack of transparency, and above all a utter lack of respect for the community of Blackburn Rovers Football Club.

I cannot and do not attempt to influence any on these boards with my stance in abstaining from attending Ewood whilst we have these imposters purporting in running the club. This is my personal choice on the basis of facts that present themselves.

39 years I have followed my club, my team, my town all over these lands with the odd excursion into Europe on a consistent basis, in fact I would go so far as to say I am one of the 6000 hardcore supporter of BRFC, but this is not going to be any longer on the basis that I will not allow people of ill repute in taking advantage of that commitment. I work on a basis of a two way street, not a one way system !

I have no problem with folk wishing to remain loyal at this time by attending Ewood but, I would be grateful if you would offer me the same courtesy in my reason for not ?

Intrinsically I am attached to BRFC, and this will always remain, but not under these conditions that affront us at this time.

I have made my peace all matters BRFC under these current owners, and they can carry on without me as I utterly and totally disagree with how they choose to treat BRFC and all of it's members.

For your question as to those '30 somethings' who are banging the drum for non attendance, but, who will return should the fortunes be of a upward nature, I can assure you until the 'Odious One' as left, and Venky(should they still be involved?) grow some gonads, I will not be part of it.

You have my word on that.

BRSIT and BRAG are the only viable way forward, in my opinion, if we wish to retain the history of our club ? I have no problem with evolving, never have had, but we deserve much better treatment than that which as been meted out thus far. That, in itself speaks volumes as to why so many supporters have voted with their feet, and most possibly an end to their support of BRFC under these people ?

For the record: I cannot see(although I understand) how anyone can attend Ewood under present circumstances and cheer this despicable regime on the claim that you are supporting the team ?

I will follow the shirt when there are people fit to wear it, and are managed by competent people right the way through the club.

Regards

Arte et labore

Harwoodstblue wrote:

RUinsane wrote:

DaBoss wrote:
RUInsane, you're either new here or another defeatist who had to change their username to avoid humiliation for being so dumb.

Re-read my previous posts about where I stand on Venky's ownership and tell me where I stated about getting behind the team or accepting dingles before spouting that rubbish, then I might consider debating with you.

Does it matter if I am new or not, you obviously infuriated me that much by agreeing with an obsessed turd that I felt the need to voice my opinion.
I care not for your offer of mass debating as you did with BB4 claret, it was all a bit too electric 6 for me.
Sensible debate I can handle but I will not have an obsessed turd posting half an hour compositions of why we should accept our new found home. I don't accept that.We have been taken there. It was not through lack of luck and it is not our rightful place as you were intimating with the turd.
Our rightful place is in the PL, we have the facilities and we used to have the infrastucture until it was systematically dismantled. For venky's to then come out and say we are confused and we don't know whats happened is just plain bullsheister.
You sell your best players, you get relegated. It can't be much simpler, so for the likes of you and the turd to come here and say they were naive just rubs folk up the wrong way.
Who are you anyway, Your username has only appeared in the last few weeks. Never seen you here before.
I'm not a naysayer or doom merchant, but I'm not a fool either.
The facts speak for themselves
Nelsen, career ending injury
Salgado, he's injured.
P Jones is not for sale
Samba is not for sale
Emerton wants to go home
El Hadj, is such a naughty boy
Kalanic, doesn't fit in.
Andrews, is having it bad
Roberts does not feature in what we are trying to achieve.

Now hand on heart, would that lineup above not have kept us in the PL?
Yes it would so the conclusion is, considering we have a manager with the worst win ratio in football history, we have been taken down deliberately in order to balance the books. But they look pretty stupid now as there is another extra 30 million for every club up there. Fantastic business acumen.
I will support the team, but I will not ever accept what has transpired over the last 18 months.

Well said RUinsane, There are one or two on here who need to take off the rose tinted glasses and SEE what's gone on at Ewood in the last 18 months. It's pretty obvious to genuine Rovers fans but seemingly not to one or two 'new posters.' I wonder what their motive is???

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:
DaBoss as much as you wish for your comments to have credence all matters BRFC, unfortunately your apologetic nuances toward the destruction(in the short term at least) of BRFC is disconcerting to say the least.

This lot between them have systematically destroyed a reputable and well run club.

Comments should be based in and around these facts in my opinion.

I, after initially supporting the whole set up in the most practicable of ways reached the point in which I realized that my devotion, commitment and dedication was, in short, having the rise taken out of it by these lying, incompetent and amateurish buffoons.

Like most on here I have attempted to rationalize, reason, and be fair minded over matters at Ewood, but they have failed due to the lack of transparency, and above all a utter lack of respect for the community of Blackburn Rovers Football Club.

I cannot and do not attempt to influence any on these boards with my stance in abstaining from attending Ewood whilst we have these imposters purporting in running the club. This is my personal choice on the basis of facts that present themselves.

39 years I have followed my club, my team, my town all over these lands with the odd excursion into Europe on a consistent basis, in fact I would go so far as to say I am one of the 6000 hardcore supporter of BRFC, but this is not going to be any longer on the basis that I will not allow people of ill repute in taking advantage of that commitment. I work on a basis of a two way street, not a one way system !

I have no problem with folk wishing to remain loyal at this time by attending Ewood but, I would be grateful if you would offer me the same courtesy in my reason for not ?

Intrinsically I am attached to BRFC, and this will always remain, but not under these conditions that affront us at this time.

I have made my peace all matters BRFC under these current owners, and they can carry on without me as I utterly and totally disagree with how they choose to treat BRFC and all of it's members.

For your question as to those '30 somethings' who are banging the drum for non attendance, but, who will return should the fortunes be of a upward nature, I can assure you until the 'Odious One' as left, and Venky(should they still be involved?) grow some gonads, I will not be part of it.

You have my word on that.

BRSIT and BRAG are the only viable way forward, in my opinion, if we wish to retain the history of our club ? I have no problem with evolving, never have had, but we deserve much better treatment than that which as been meted out thus far. That, in itself speaks volumes as to why so many supporters have voted with their feet, and most possibly an end to their support of BRFC under these people ?

For the record: I cannot see(although I understand) how anyone can attend Ewood under present circumstances and cheer this despicable regime on the claim that you are supporting the team ?

I will follow the shirt when there are people fit to wear it, and are managed by competent people right the way through the club.

Regards

Arte et labore

benal13 wrote:

benal13 wrote:
IT HAD TO BE MURPHY THE MAN WHO ACCUSED BIG SAM OF SENDING ROVERS TEAMS OUT TO DELIBERATLY HURT PLAYERS WHY AM I NOT SUPPRISED

HA WELL

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:
DaBoss as much as you wish for your comments to have credence all matters BRFC, unfortunately your apologetic nuances toward the destruction(in the short term at least) of BRFC is disconcerting to say the least.

This lot between them have systematically destroyed a reputable and well run club.

Comments should be based in and around these facts in my opinion.

I, after initially supporting the whole set up in the most practicable of ways reached the point in which I realized that my devotion, commitment and dedication was, in short, having the rise taken out of it by these lying, incompetent and amateurish buffoons.

Like most on here I have attempted to rationalize, reason, and be fair minded over matters at Ewood, but they have failed due to the lack of transparency, and above all a utter lack of respect for the community of Blackburn Rovers Football Club.

I cannot and do not attempt to influence any on these boards with my stance in abstaining from attending Ewood whilst we have these imposters purporting in running the club. This is my personal choice on the basis of facts that present themselves.

39 years I have followed my club, my team, my town all over these lands with the odd excursion into Europe on a consistent basis, in fact I would go so far as to say I am one of the 6000 hardcore supporter of BRFC, but this is not going to be any longer on the basis that I will not allow people of ill repute in taking advantage of that commitment. I work on a basis of a two way street, not a one way system !

I have no problem with folk wishing to remain loyal at this time by attending Ewood but, I would be grateful if you would offer me the same courtesy in my reason for not ?

Intrinsically I am attached to BRFC, and this will always remain, but not under these conditions that affront us at this time.

I have made my peace all matters BRFC under these current owners, and they can carry on without me as I utterly and totally disagree with how they choose to treat BRFC and all of it's members.

For your question as to those '30 somethings' who are banging the drum for non attendance, but, who will return should the fortunes be of a upward nature, I can assure you until the 'Odious One' as left, and Venky(should they still be involved?) grow some gonads, I will not be part of it.

You have my word on that.

BRSIT and BRAG are the only viable way forward, in my opinion, if we wish to retain the history of our club ? I have no problem with evolving, never have had, but we deserve much better treatment than that which as been meted out thus far. That, in itself speaks volumes as to why so many supporters have voted with their feet, and most possibly an end to their support of BRFC under these people ?

For the record: I cannot see(although I understand) how anyone can attend Ewood under present circumstances and cheer this despicable regime on the claim that you are supporting the team ?

I will follow the shirt when there are people fit to wear it, and are managed by competent people right the way through the club.

Regards

Arte et labore

"BRSIT and BRAG are the only viable way forward, in my opinion,"

Having looked at the questions put forward to the FA by the action group I struggle to see how that is a way forward. (have you read them)

Venkys don`t appear to be looking to sell the club, if they did would the fans buy out be realistic! the Walker trust left a large overdraft which would have to be serviced as well as having funds to make a bid.

benal13 wrote:

benal13 wrote:

benal13 wrote:
IT HAD TO BE MURPHY THE MAN WHO ACCUSED BIG SAM OF SENDING ROVERS TEAMS OUT TO DELIBERATLY HURT PLAYERS WHY AM I NOT SUPPRISED

HA WELL

WHAT CRA; ARE WE IN FOR THIS WEEK ?

BlueSkies wrote:
'TAKING US DOWN DELIBERATELY'

Interesting comment. After being 6 points clear and then embarking on a calamitously bad run of performances, I actually raised the matter on this site when I questioned the validity of it all.

Some of the substitutions in games during this run beggared belief. Swansea away for example, when we were losing and SK takes off Yak and Junior (I stand to be corrected on JH), even the pundits on Sky were asking why take off one of the PL's top strikers when we needed to score goals. Phil Thompson was asked 'why', he replied 'don't ask me me, I have absolutely no idea'.

There were others but tbh I can't be bothered recounting them. What was going through my mind was 'we will be relegated no matter what'. Spurs away? What was that all about? Dunn comes off and winks at the bench. Job done perhaps? Mission almost accomplished?

Conspiracies? Maybe, but these are the CRAZIEST times ever at Ewood Park. I don't remember my first games but know for sure I saw Tommy Briggs, taking me back to 1956/7 at least and being gutted I couldn't go to the 1958 FA cup semi-final. I am seeped in BRFC, my father was a massive fan. I once went to a Burnley game with my mate and his dad (I was at junior school at the time in Rishton) and my dad didn't speak to me for 3 weeks (dingles got battered by WHU).

Anyway I digress, after many discussions with family and close friends, I and many others will not be going back to Ewood while any of the current incumbents are around.

For the non-believers, the future is BRSIT, BRFCAG, Ian Battersby. The club we knew no longer exists. We will have a future, we will rise again, not to the PL granted.

The sooner these parasites go the better, then the rebuild can begin.

BlueSkies wrote:
'TAKING US DOWN DELIBERATELY'

Interesting comment. After being 6 points clear and then embarking on a calamitously bad run of performances, I actually raised the matter on this site when I questioned the validity of it all.

Some of the substitutions in games during this run beggared belief. Swansea away for example, when we were losing and SK takes off Yak and Junior (I stand to be corrected on JH), even the pundits on Sky were asking why take off one of the PL's top strikers when we needed to score goals. Phil Thompson was asked 'why', he replied 'don't ask me me, I have absolutely no idea'.

There were others but tbh I can't be bothered recounting them. What was going through my mind was 'we will be relegated no matter what'. Spurs away? What was that all about? Dunn comes off and winks at the bench. Job done perhaps? Mission almost accomplished?

Conspiracies? Maybe, but these are the CRAZIEST times ever at Ewood Park. I don't remember my first games but know for sure I saw Tommy Briggs, taking me back to 1956/7 at least and being gutted I couldn't go to the 1958 FA cup semi-final. I am seeped in BRFC, my father was a massive fan. I once went to a Burnley game with my mate and his dad (I was at junior school at the time in Rishton) and my dad didn't speak to me for 3 weeks (dingles got battered by WHU).

Anyway I digress, after many discussions with family and close friends, I and many others will not be going back to Ewood while any of the current incumbents are around.

For the non-believers, the future is BRSIT, BRFCAG, Ian Battersby. The club we knew no longer exists. We will have a future, we will rise again, not to the PL granted.

The sooner these parasites go the better, then the rebuild can begin.

fickle fan wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
'TAKING US DOWN DELIBERATELY'

Interesting comment. After being 6 points clear and then embarking on a calamitously bad run of performances, I actually raised the matter on this site when I questioned the validity of it all.

Some of the substitutions in games during this run beggared belief. Swansea away for example, when we were losing and SK takes off Yak and Junior (I stand to be corrected on JH), even the pundits on Sky were asking why take off one of the PL's top strikers when we needed to score goals. Phil Thompson was asked 'why', he replied 'don't ask me me, I have absolutely no idea'.

There were others but tbh I can't be bothered recounting them. What was going through my mind was 'we will be relegated no matter what'. Spurs away? What was that all about? Dunn comes off and winks at the bench. Job done perhaps? Mission almost accomplished?

Conspiracies? Maybe, but these are the CRAZIEST times ever at Ewood Park. I don't remember my first games but know for sure I saw Tommy Briggs, taking me back to 1956/7 at least and being gutted I couldn't go to the 1958 FA cup semi-final. I am seeped in BRFC, my father was a massive fan. I once went to a Burnley game with my mate and his dad (I was at junior school at the time in Rishton) and my dad didn't speak to me for 3 weeks (dingles got battered by WHU).

Anyway I digress, after many discussions with family and close friends, I and many others will not be going back to Ewood while any of the current incumbents are around.

For the non-believers, the future is BRSIT, BRFCAG, Ian Battersby. The club we knew no longer exists. We will have a future, we will rise again, not to the PL granted.

The sooner these parasites go the better, then the rebuild can begin.

And the benefits of being deliberately getting relegated are !

BlueSkies wrote:
'TAKING US DOWN DELIBERATELY'

Interesting comment. After being 6 points clear and then embarking on a calamitously bad run of performances, I actually raised the matter on this site when I questioned the validity of it all.

Some of the substitutions in games during this run beggared belief. Swansea away for example, when we were losing and SK takes off Yak and Junior (I stand to be corrected on JH), even the pundits on Sky were asking why take off one of the PL's top strikers when we needed to score goals. Phil Thompson was asked 'why', he replied 'don't ask me me, I have absolutely no idea'.

There were others but tbh I can't be bothered recounting them. What was going through my mind was 'we will be relegated no matter what'. Spurs away? What was that all about? Dunn comes off and winks at the bench. Job done perhaps? Mission almost accomplished?

Conspiracies? Maybe, but these are the CRAZIEST times ever at Ewood Park. I don't remember my first games but know for sure I saw Tommy Briggs, taking me back to 1956/7 at least and being gutted I couldn't go to the 1958 FA cup semi-final. I am seeped in BRFC, my father was a massive fan. I once went to a Burnley game with my mate and his dad (I was at junior school at the time in Rishton) and my dad didn't speak to me for 3 weeks (dingles got battered by WHU).

Anyway I digress, after many discussions with family and close friends, I and many others will not be going back to Ewood while any of the current incumbents are around.

For the non-believers, the future is BRSIT, BRFCAG, Ian Battersby. The club we knew no longer exists. We will have a future, we will rise again, not to the PL granted.

The sooner these parasites go the better, then the rebuild can begin.

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
'TAKING US DOWN DELIBERATELY'

Interesting comment. After being 6 points clear and then embarking on a calamitously bad run of performances, I actually raised the matter on this site when I questioned the validity of it all.

Some of the substitutions in games during this run beggared belief. Swansea away for example, when we were losing and SK takes off Yak and Junior (I stand to be corrected on JH), even the pundits on Sky were asking why take off one of the PL's top strikers when we needed to score goals. Phil Thompson was asked 'why', he replied 'don't ask me me, I have absolutely no idea'.

There were others but tbh I can't be bothered recounting them. What was going through my mind was 'we will be relegated no matter what'. Spurs away? What was that all about? Dunn comes off and winks at the bench. Job done perhaps? Mission almost accomplished?

Conspiracies? Maybe, but these are the CRAZIEST times ever at Ewood Park. I don't remember my first games but know for sure I saw Tommy Briggs, taking me back to 1956/7 at least and being gutted I couldn't go to the 1958 FA cup semi-final. I am seeped in BRFC, my father was a massive fan. I once went to a Burnley game with my mate and his dad (I was at junior school at the time in Rishton) and my dad didn't speak to me for 3 weeks (dingles got battered by WHU).

Anyway I digress, after many discussions with family and close friends, I and many others will not be going back to Ewood while any of the current incumbents are around.

For the non-believers, the future is BRSIT, BRFCAG, Ian Battersby. The club we knew no longer exists. We will have a future, we will rise again, not to the PL granted.

The sooner these parasites go the better, then the rebuild can begin.

Quality item.

Let us look at the true meaning of 'Deliberate' from the dictionary:

1.Done consciously and intentionally
2. Fully considered; not impulsive
3. Done or acting in a careful and unhurried way.

Blueskies, your spot on about being deliberately being taken down.

I believe the above will bear you out and, is damning to the reign of Venky's.

They have been deliberate alright !

Regards

Arte et labore

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote: DaBoss as much as you wish for your comments to have credence all matters BRFC, unfortunately your apologetic nuances toward the destruction(in the short term at least) of BRFC is disconcerting to say the least. This lot between them have systematically destroyed a reputable and well run club. Comments should be based in and around these facts in my opinion. I, after initially supporting the whole set up in the most practicable of ways reached the point in which I realized that my devotion, commitment and dedication was, in short, having the rise taken out of it by these lying, incompetent and amateurish buffoons. Like most on here I have attempted to rationalize, reason, and be fair minded over matters at Ewood, but they have failed due to the lack of transparency, and above all a utter lack of respect for the community of Blackburn Rovers Football Club. I cannot and do not attempt to influence any on these boards with my stance in abstaining from attending Ewood whilst we have these imposters purporting in running the club. This is my personal choice on the basis of facts that present themselves. 39 years I have followed my club, my team, my town all over these lands with the odd excursion into Europe on a consistent basis, in fact I would go so far as to say I am one of the 6000 hardcore supporter of BRFC, but this is not going to be any longer on the basis that I will not allow people of ill repute in taking advantage of that commitment. I work on a basis of a two way street, not a one way system ! I have no problem with folk wishing to remain loyal at this time by attending Ewood but, I would be grateful if you would offer me the same courtesy in my reason for not ? Intrinsically I am attached to BRFC, and this will always remain, but not under these conditions that affront us at this time. I have made my peace all matters BRFC under these current owners, and they can carry on without me as I utterly and totally disagree with how they choose to treat BRFC and all of it's members. For your question as to those '30 somethings' who are banging the drum for non attendance, but, who will return should the fortunes be of a upward nature, I can assure you until the 'Odious One' as left, and Venky(should they still be involved?) grow some gonads, I will not be part of it. You have my word on that. BRSIT and BRAG are the only viable way forward, in my opinion, if we wish to retain the history of our club ? I have no problem with evolving, never have had, but we deserve much better treatment than that which as been meted out thus far. That, in itself speaks volumes as to why so many supporters have voted with their feet, and most possibly an end to their support of BRFC under these people ? For the record: I cannot see(although I understand) how anyone can attend Ewood under present circumstances and cheer this despicable regime on the claim that you are supporting the team ? I will follow the shirt when there are people fit to wear it, and are managed by competent people right the way through the club. Regards Arte et labore

"BRSIT and BRAG are the only viable way forward, in my opinion," Having looked at the questions put forward to the FA by the action group I struggle to see how that is a way forward. (have you read them) Venkys don`t appear to be looking to sell the club, if they did would the fans buy out be realistic! the Walker trust left a large overdraft which would have to be serviced as well as having funds to make a bid.

Your my missing my point Fickle. Viable in that Venky, going to press are, in my opinion, making a mess in so far as I cannot support what they do thus the only viable means or options are to support BRSIT and BRAG for that what I believe BRFC stands for. I am now an outsider looking in, and as far as I'm concerned no longer support the regime at BRFC for reasons easy to identify. Venky selling ? As you say, they don't appear to be looking to sell. That is their prerogative. These are early days as far as takeovers are concerned, but I truly believe this will develop over time, and be in a much stronger position in the next few years for an intended takeover of BRFC ? Venky have much to do in my eye's to ever placate how I feel. Admittedly, these groups are at an early stage, and can appear to be unorganized, but they are gaining a firmer foothold, as surely, you would agree, can be of benefit in restoring good order down at Ewood Park ? BRSIT are very astute people in their own right, and I personally see a group who genuinely care for OUR club and it's foundations that have taken 136 years to build. I'm afraid I cannot believe in Venky although I've run every scenario through my head in order to continue following BRFC ? So, regardless of potential takeover's I would prefer to follow those that make me feel like I belong to our club through an honest determination in making BRFC a stable and well run club that we can follow on the merits that we see as as benefited BRFC for well over a century. I fondly remember the words of past players and managers who proclaim that BRFC is one of the most welcoming and family orientated clubs they have had the pleasure to pass through. I will not let that image of BRFC nor stand, and support a regime that rips all that away with it's constant bluster and, disrespect. Funny isn't it that arguments rage on here over who best to run the club but, isn't it fair to say that the club at present could not be run any more poorly, than if to say, BRSIT were running it ? This lot have to make decisions quickly or, and obviously, BRFC are plummeting down the Leagues regardless if we attend or not ! Regards Arte et labore

Rovers 1495 wrote:
Andy, I don't understand why you are putting the phrases "Steve Kean" and "Rovers boss' together.

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
'TAKING US DOWN DELIBERATELY'

Interesting comment. After being 6 points clear and then embarking on a calamitously bad run of performances, I actually raised the matter on this site when I questioned the validity of it all.

Some of the substitutions in games during this run beggared belief. Swansea away for example, when we were losing and SK takes off Yak and Junior (I stand to be corrected on JH), even the pundits on Sky were asking why take off one of the PL's top strikers when we needed to score goals. Phil Thompson was asked 'why', he replied 'don't ask me me, I have absolutely no idea'.

There were others but tbh I can't be bothered recounting them. What was going through my mind was 'we will be relegated no matter what'. Spurs away? What was that all about? Dunn comes off and winks at the bench. Job done perhaps? Mission almost accomplished?

Conspiracies? Maybe, but these are the CRAZIEST times ever at Ewood Park. I don't remember my first games but know for sure I saw Tommy Briggs, taking me back to 1956/7 at least and being gutted I couldn't go to the 1958 FA cup semi-final. I am seeped in BRFC, my father was a massive fan. I once went to a Burnley game with my mate and his dad (I was at junior school at the time in Rishton) and my dad didn't speak to me for 3 weeks (dingles got battered by WHU).

Anyway I digress, after many discussions with family and close friends, I and many others will not be going back to Ewood while any of the current incumbents are around.

For the non-believers, the future is BRSIT, BRFCAG, Ian Battersby. The club we knew no longer exists. We will have a future, we will rise again, not to the PL granted.

The sooner these parasites go the better, then the rebuild can begin.

Quality item.

Let us look at the true meaning of 'Deliberate' from the dictionary:

1.Done consciously and intentionally
2. Fully considered; not impulsive
3. Done or acting in a careful and unhurried way.

Blueskies, your spot on about being deliberately being taken down.

I believe the above will bear you out and, is damning to the reign of Venky's.

They have been deliberate alright !

Regards

Arte et labore

and the evidence you have to support this is

samsno2millfan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote: DaBoss as much as you wish for your comments to have credence all matters BRFC, unfortunately your apologetic nuances toward the destruction(in the short term at least) of BRFC is disconcerting to say the least. This lot between them have systematically destroyed a reputable and well run club. Comments should be based in and around these facts in my opinion. I, after initially supporting the whole set up in the most practicable of ways reached the point in which I realized that my devotion, commitment and dedication was, in short, having the rise taken out of it by these lying, incompetent and amateurish buffoons. Like most on here I have attempted to rationalize, reason, and be fair minded over matters at Ewood, but they have failed due to the lack of transparency, and above all a utter lack of respect for the community of Blackburn Rovers Football Club. I cannot and do not attempt to influence any on these boards with my stance in abstaining from attending Ewood whilst we have these imposters purporting in running the club. This is my personal choice on the basis of facts that present themselves. 39 years I have followed my club, my team, my town all over these lands with the odd excursion into Europe on a consistent basis, in fact I would go so far as to say I am one of the 6000 hardcore supporter of BRFC, but this is not going to be any longer on the basis that I will not allow people of ill repute in taking advantage of that commitment. I work on a basis of a two way street, not a one way system ! I have no problem with folk wishing to remain loyal at this time by attending Ewood but, I would be grateful if you would offer me the same courtesy in my reason for not ? Intrinsically I am attached to BRFC, and this will always remain, but not under these conditions that affront us at this time. I have made my peace all matters BRFC under these current owners, and they can carry on without me as I utterly and totally disagree with how they choose to treat BRFC and all of it's members. For your question as to those '30 somethings' who are banging the drum for non attendance, but, who will return should the fortunes be of a upward nature, I can assure you until the 'Odious One' as left, and Venky(should they still be involved?) grow some gonads, I will not be part of it. You have my word on that. BRSIT and BRAG are the only viable way forward, in my opinion, if we wish to retain the history of our club ? I have no problem with evolving, never have had, but we deserve much better treatment than that which as been meted out thus far. That, in itself speaks volumes as to why so many supporters have voted with their feet, and most possibly an end to their support of BRFC under these people ? For the record: I cannot see(although I understand) how anyone can attend Ewood under present circumstances and cheer this despicable regime on the claim that you are supporting the team ? I will follow the shirt when there are people fit to wear it, and are managed by competent people right the way through the club. Regards Arte et labore

"BRSIT and BRAG are the only viable way forward, in my opinion," Having looked at the questions put forward to the FA by the action group I struggle to see how that is a way forward. (have you read them) Venkys don`t appear to be looking to sell the club, if they did would the fans buy out be realistic! the Walker trust left a large overdraft which would have to be serviced as well as having funds to make a bid.

Your my missing my point Fickle. Viable in that Venky, going to press are, in my opinion, making a mess in so far as I cannot support what they do thus the only viable means or options are to support BRSIT and BRAG for that what I believe BRFC stands for. I am now an outsider looking in, and as far as I'm concerned no longer support the regime at BRFC for reasons easy to identify. Venky selling ? As you say, they don't appear to be looking to sell. That is their prerogative. These are early days as far as takeovers are concerned, but I truly believe this will develop over time, and be in a much stronger position in the next few years for an intended takeover of BRFC ? Venky have much to do in my eye's to ever placate how I feel. Admittedly, these groups are at an early stage, and can appear to be unorganized, but they are gaining a firmer foothold, as surely, you would agree, can be of benefit in restoring good order down at Ewood Park ? BRSIT are very astute people in their own right, and I personally see a group who genuinely care for OUR club and it's foundations that have taken 136 years to build. I'm afraid I cannot believe in Venky although I've run every scenario through my head in order to continue following BRFC ? So, regardless of potential takeover's I would prefer to follow those that make me feel like I belong to our club through an honest determination in making BRFC a stable and well run club that we can follow on the merits that we see as as benefited BRFC for well over a century. I fondly remember the words of past players and managers who proclaim that BRFC is one of the most welcoming and family orientated clubs they have had the pleasure to pass through. I will not let that image of BRFC nor stand, and support a regime that rips all that away with it's constant bluster and, disrespect. Funny isn't it that arguments rage on here over who best to run the club but, isn't it fair to say that the club at present could not be run any more poorly, than if to say, BRSIT were running it ? This lot have to make decisions quickly or, and obviously, BRFC are plummeting down the Leagues regardless if we attend or not ! Regards Arte et labore

There may well have been a large overdraft, the club may well have been in debt, it may well have been losing money, the trick is to manage the business in a way which keeps it viable and its creditors happy.

Every club in the PL and probably the Championship and beyond has debt; virtually every company has debt.

The banks are happy to lend if they can see the debt being serviced by the company. That's how they make their money. They start to get twitchy when the indications are the borrower is not going to able to service their debt, when they lose confidence in the management/ownership

's ability to maintain the business. That's why Barclays asked for a large capital injection (which Venkys had promised they would provide, by the way, but did not) or they would cut off the lines of credit with the possibility of even forcing the club into administration.

We all have debt, be it a mortgage, a credit card or a loan for a new car - usually all three and more besides. The finance companies will not come knocking on your door if you keep up with the repayments. We all have to manage our debts. If we are struggling to pay, we have to budget as best we can, making sacrifices elsewhere.

Same thing.

Venkys actions, starting last season when we were still in the PL, have shown they cannot manage a football club. They have admitted their management plan has been a failure and are now working overtime, not in the best interests of the club or with the intention of planning a realistic challenge to get back into the PL, but to reduce the losses their abject management of this club has caused.

Anyone taking over will have to manage the finances, that is the challenge. It is irrelevant whether the club is in debt or not.

BlueSkies wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
'TAKING US DOWN DELIBERATELY'

Interesting comment. After being 6 points clear and then embarking on a calamitously bad run of performances, I actually raised the matter on this site when I questioned the validity of it all.

Some of the substitutions in games during this run beggared belief. Swansea away for example, when we were losing and SK takes off Yak and Junior (I stand to be corrected on JH), even the pundits on Sky were asking why take off one of the PL's top strikers when we needed to score goals. Phil Thompson was asked 'why', he replied 'don't ask me me, I have absolutely no idea'.

There were others but tbh I can't be bothered recounting them. What was going through my mind was 'we will be relegated no matter what'. Spurs away? What was that all about? Dunn comes off and winks at the bench. Job done perhaps? Mission almost accomplished?

Conspiracies? Maybe, but these are the CRAZIEST times ever at Ewood Park. I don't remember my first games but know for sure I saw Tommy Briggs, taking me back to 1956/7 at least and being gutted I couldn't go to the 1958 FA cup semi-final. I am seeped in BRFC, my father was a massive fan. I once went to a Burnley game with my mate and his dad (I was at junior school at the time in Rishton) and my dad didn't speak to me for 3 weeks (dingles got battered by WHU).

Anyway I digress, after many discussions with family and close friends, I and many others will not be going back to Ewood while any of the current incumbents are around.

For the non-believers, the future is BRSIT, BRFCAG, Ian Battersby. The club we knew no longer exists. We will have a future, we will rise again, not to the PL granted.

The sooner these parasites go the better, then the rebuild can begin.

And the benefits of being deliberately getting relegated are !

Well, I don't see any at all, but perhaps you might be able to enlighten us as to the way forward.

You might have to express yourelf in more than one sentence though.

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
'TAKING US DOWN DELIBERATELY'

Interesting comment. After being 6 points clear and then embarking on a calamitously bad run of performances, I actually raised the matter on this site when I questioned the validity of it all.

Some of the substitutions in games during this run beggared belief. Swansea away for example, when we were losing and SK takes off Yak and Junior (I stand to be corrected on JH), even the pundits on Sky were asking why take off one of the PL's top strikers when we needed to score goals. Phil Thompson was asked 'why', he replied 'don't ask me me, I have absolutely no idea'.

There were others but tbh I can't be bothered recounting them. What was going through my mind was 'we will be relegated no matter what'. Spurs away? What was that all about? Dunn comes off and winks at the bench. Job done perhaps? Mission almost accomplished?

Conspiracies? Maybe, but these are the CRAZIEST times ever at Ewood Park. I don't remember my first games but know for sure I saw Tommy Briggs, taking me back to 1956/7 at least and being gutted I couldn't go to the 1958 FA cup semi-final. I am seeped in BRFC, my father was a massive fan. I once went to a Burnley game with my mate and his dad (I was at junior school at the time in Rishton) and my dad didn't speak to me for 3 weeks (dingles got battered by WHU).

Anyway I digress, after many discussions with family and close friends, I and many others will not be going back to Ewood while any of the current incumbents are around.

For the non-believers, the future is BRSIT, BRFCAG, Ian Battersby. The club we knew no longer exists. We will have a future, we will rise again, not to the PL granted.

The sooner these parasites go the better, then the rebuild can begin.

Quality item.

Let us look at the true meaning of 'Deliberate' from the dictionary:

1.Done consciously and intentionally
2. Fully considered; not impulsive
3. Done or acting in a careful and unhurried way.

Blueskies, your spot on about being deliberately being taken down.

I believe the above will bear you out and, is damning to the reign of Venky's.

They have been deliberate alright !

Regards

Arte et labore

and the evidence you have to support this is

Well Fickle, that is the million $ question, isn't it ?

I would suggest it is a very fine line indeed to what 'deliberate' is to be offered as to the reason(s) we witness down at Ewood ?

The evidence that as presented itself to me over 18 months as been enough to convince myself that supporting something that is so preposterous is evidence enough.

Don't delude yourself from the abysmal record that lay's before you right through the club since the takeover.

Is that not evidence enough for something that is deliberate ?

Our club was not on the verge of wrack and ruin before Venky took a hold. Now it is !

That is a deliberate act of negligence, is it not ?

Evidence is not always as transparent as you would like to believe !

Regards

Arte et labore

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
'TAKING US DOWN DELIBERATELY'

Interesting comment. After being 6 points clear and then embarking on a calamitously bad run of performances, I actually raised the matter on this site when I questioned the validity of it all.

Some of the substitutions in games during this run beggared belief. Swansea away for example, when we were losing and SK takes off Yak and Junior (I stand to be corrected on JH), even the pundits on Sky were asking why take off one of the PL's top strikers when we needed to score goals. Phil Thompson was asked 'why', he replied 'don't ask me me, I have absolutely no idea'.

There were others but tbh I can't be bothered recounting them. What was going through my mind was 'we will be relegated no matter what'. Spurs away? What was that all about? Dunn comes off and winks at the bench. Job done perhaps? Mission almost accomplished?

Conspiracies? Maybe, but these are the CRAZIEST times ever at Ewood Park. I don't remember my first games but know for sure I saw Tommy Briggs, taking me back to 1956/7 at least and being gutted I couldn't go to the 1958 FA cup semi-final. I am seeped in BRFC, my father was a massive fan. I once went to a Burnley game with my mate and his dad (I was at junior school at the time in Rishton) and my dad didn't speak to me for 3 weeks (dingles got battered by WHU).

Anyway I digress, after many discussions with family and close friends, I and many others will not be going back to Ewood while any of the current incumbents are around.

For the non-believers, the future is BRSIT, BRFCAG, Ian Battersby. The club we knew no longer exists. We will have a future, we will rise again, not to the PL granted.

The sooner these parasites go the better, then the rebuild can begin.

Quality item.

Let us look at the true meaning of 'Deliberate' from the dictionary:

1.Done consciously and intentionally
2. Fully considered; not impulsive
3. Done or acting in a careful and unhurried way.

Blueskies, your spot on about being deliberately being taken down.

I believe the above will bear you out and, is damning to the reign of Venky's.

They have been deliberate alright !

Regards

Arte et labore

and the evidence you have to support this is

Well Fickle, that is the million $ question, isn't it ?

I would suggest it is a very fine line indeed to what 'deliberate' is to be offered as to the reason(s) we witness down at Ewood ?

The evidence that as presented itself to me over 18 months as been enough to convince myself that supporting something that is so preposterous is evidence enough.

Don't delude yourself from the abysmal record that lay's before you right through the club since the takeover.

Is that not evidence enough for something that is deliberate ?

Our club was not on the verge of wrack and ruin before Venky took a hold. Now it is !

That is a deliberate act of negligence, is it not ?

Evidence is not always as transparent as you would like to believe !

Regards

Arte et labore

So you have no evidence

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
'TAKING US DOWN DELIBERATELY'

Interesting comment. After being 6 points clear and then embarking on a calamitously bad run of performances, I actually raised the matter on this site when I questioned the validity of it all.

Some of the substitutions in games during this run beggared belief. Swansea away for example, when we were losing and SK takes off Yak and Junior (I stand to be corrected on JH), even the pundits on Sky were asking why take off one of the PL's top strikers when we needed to score goals. Phil Thompson was asked 'why', he replied 'don't ask me me, I have absolutely no idea'.

There were others but tbh I can't be bothered recounting them. What was going through my mind was 'we will be relegated no matter what'. Spurs away? What was that all about? Dunn comes off and winks at the bench. Job done perhaps? Mission almost accomplished?

Conspiracies? Maybe, but these are the CRAZIEST times ever at Ewood Park. I don't remember my first games but know for sure I saw Tommy Briggs, taking me back to 1956/7 at least and being gutted I couldn't go to the 1958 FA cup semi-final. I am seeped in BRFC, my father was a massive fan. I once went to a Burnley game with my mate and his dad (I was at junior school at the time in Rishton) and my dad didn't speak to me for 3 weeks (dingles got battered by WHU).

Anyway I digress, after many discussions with family and close friends, I and many others will not be going back to Ewood while any of the current incumbents are around.

For the non-believers, the future is BRSIT, BRFCAG, Ian Battersby. The club we knew no longer exists. We will have a future, we will rise again, not to the PL granted.

The sooner these parasites go the better, then the rebuild can begin.

Quality item.

Let us look at the true meaning of 'Deliberate' from the dictionary:

1.Done consciously and intentionally
2. Fully considered; not impulsive
3. Done or acting in a careful and unhurried way.

Blueskies, your spot on about being deliberately being taken down.

I believe the above will bear you out and, is damning to the reign of Venky's.

They have been deliberate alright !

Regards

Arte et labore

and the evidence you have to support this is

Well Fickle, that is the million $ question, isn't it ?

I would suggest it is a very fine line indeed to what 'deliberate' is to be offered as to the reason(s) we witness down at Ewood ?

The evidence that as presented itself to me over 18 months as been enough to convince myself that supporting something that is so preposterous is evidence enough.

Don't delude yourself from the abysmal record that lay's before you right through the club since the takeover.

Is that not evidence enough for something that is deliberate ?

Our club was not on the verge of wrack and ruin before Venky took a hold. Now it is !

That is a deliberate act of negligence, is it not ?

Evidence is not always as transparent as you would like to believe !

Regards

Arte et labore

So you have no evidence

Obviously not enough for you !

I pity you your evidence and, when the real evidence appears, that on the pitch, we will see if that is evidence enough for you ?

Arte et labore

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
'TAKING US DOWN DELIBERATELY'

Interesting comment. After being 6 points clear and then embarking on a calamitously bad run of performances, I actually raised the matter on this site when I questioned the validity of it all.

Some of the substitutions in games during this run beggared belief. Swansea away for example, when we were losing and SK takes off Yak and Junior (I stand to be corrected on JH), even the pundits on Sky were asking why take off one of the PL's top strikers when we needed to score goals. Phil Thompson was asked 'why', he replied 'don't ask me me, I have absolutely no idea'.

There were others but tbh I can't be bothered recounting them. What was going through my mind was 'we will be relegated no matter what'. Spurs away? What was that all about? Dunn comes off and winks at the bench. Job done perhaps? Mission almost accomplished?

Conspiracies? Maybe, but these are the CRAZIEST times ever at Ewood Park. I don't remember my first games but know for sure I saw Tommy Briggs, taking me back to 1956/7 at least and being gutted I couldn't go to the 1958 FA cup semi-final. I am seeped in BRFC, my father was a massive fan. I once went to a Burnley game with my mate and his dad (I was at junior school at the time in Rishton) and my dad didn't speak to me for 3 weeks (dingles got battered by WHU).

Anyway I digress, after many discussions with family and close friends, I and many others will not be going back to Ewood while any of the current incumbents are around.

For the non-believers, the future is BRSIT, BRFCAG, Ian Battersby. The club we knew no longer exists. We will have a future, we will rise again, not to the PL granted.

The sooner these parasites go the better, then the rebuild can begin.

Quality item.

Let us look at the true meaning of 'Deliberate' from the dictionary:

1.Done consciously and intentionally
2. Fully considered; not impulsive
3. Done or acting in a careful and unhurried way.

Blueskies, your spot on about being deliberately being taken down.

I believe the above will bear you out and, is damning to the reign of Venky's.

They have been deliberate alright !

Regards

Arte et labore

and the evidence you have to support this is

Well Fickle, that is the million $ question, isn't it ?

I would suggest it is a very fine line indeed to what 'deliberate' is to be offered as to the reason(s) we witness down at Ewood ?

The evidence that as presented itself to me over 18 months as been enough to convince myself that supporting something that is so preposterous is evidence enough.

Don't delude yourself from the abysmal record that lay's before you right through the club since the takeover.

Is that not evidence enough for something that is deliberate ?

Our club was not on the verge of wrack and ruin before Venky took a hold. Now it is !

That is a deliberate act of negligence, is it not ?

Evidence is not always as transparent as you would like to believe !

Regards

Arte et labore

So you have no evidence

Obviously not enough for you !

I pity you your evidence and, when the real evidence appears, that on the pitch, we will see if that is evidence enough for you ?

Arte et labore

What are you on about "when the real evidence appears" so you know something which is evidence that is real and is going to appear

so you don`t really have any evidence

Harwoodstblue wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
'TAKING US DOWN DELIBERATELY'

Interesting comment. After being 6 points clear and then embarking on a calamitously bad run of performances, I actually raised the matter on this site when I questioned the validity of it all.

Some of the substitutions in games during this run beggared belief. Swansea away for example, when we were losing and SK takes off Yak and Junior (I stand to be corrected on JH), even the pundits on Sky were asking why take off one of the PL's top strikers when we needed to score goals. Phil Thompson was asked 'why', he replied 'don't ask me me, I have absolutely no idea'.

There were others but tbh I can't be bothered recounting them. What was going through my mind was 'we will be relegated no matter what'. Spurs away? What was that all about? Dunn comes off and winks at the bench. Job done perhaps? Mission almost accomplished?

Conspiracies? Maybe, but these are the CRAZIEST times ever at Ewood Park. I don't remember my first games but know for sure I saw Tommy Briggs, taking me back to 1956/7 at least and being gutted I couldn't go to the 1958 FA cup semi-final. I am seeped in BRFC, my father was a massive fan. I once went to a Burnley game with my mate and his dad (I was at junior school at the time in Rishton) and my dad didn't speak to me for 3 weeks (dingles got battered by WHU).

Anyway I digress, after many discussions with family and close friends, I and many others will not be going back to Ewood while any of the current incumbents are around.

For the non-believers, the future is BRSIT, BRFCAG, Ian Battersby. The club we knew no longer exists. We will have a future, we will rise again, not to the PL granted.

The sooner these parasites go the better, then the rebuild can begin.

Quality item.

Let us look at the true meaning of 'Deliberate' from the dictionary:

1.Done consciously and intentionally
2. Fully considered; not impulsive
3. Done or acting in a careful and unhurried way.

Blueskies, your spot on about being deliberately being taken down.

I believe the above will bear you out and, is damning to the reign of Venky's.

They have been deliberate alright !

Regards

Arte et labore

and the evidence you have to support this is

Well Fickle, that is the million $ question, isn't it ?

I would suggest it is a very fine line indeed to what 'deliberate' is to be offered as to the reason(s) we witness down at Ewood ?

The evidence that as presented itself to me over 18 months as been enough to convince myself that supporting something that is so preposterous is evidence enough.

Don't delude yourself from the abysmal record that lay's before you right through the club since the takeover.

Is that not evidence enough for something that is deliberate ?

Our club was not on the verge of wrack and ruin before Venky took a hold. Now it is !

That is a deliberate act of negligence, is it not ?

Evidence is not always as transparent as you would like to believe !

Regards

Arte et labore

So you have no evidence

Obviously not enough for you !

I pity you your evidence and, when the real evidence appears, that on the pitch, we will see if that is evidence enough for you ?

Arte et labore

What are you on about "when the real evidence appears" so you know something which is evidence that is real and is going to appear

so you don`t really have any evidence

He can't put it any more clearly than that. What do you do not understand?
.
Is it any wonder that I won't talk to you. Again goodbye.

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:
DaBoss as much as you wish for your comments to have credence all matters BRFC, unfortunately your apologetic nuances toward the destruction(in the short term at least) of BRFC is disconcerting to say the least.

This lot between them have systematically destroyed a reputable and well run club.

Comments should be based in and around these facts in my opinion.

I, after initially supporting the whole set up in the most practicable of ways reached the point in which I realized that my devotion, commitment and dedication was, in short, having the rise taken out of it by these lying, incompetent and amateurish buffoons.

Like most on here I have attempted to rationalize, reason, and be fair minded over matters at Ewood, but they have failed due to the lack of transparency, and above all a utter lack of respect for the community of Blackburn Rovers Football Club.

I cannot and do not attempt to influence any on these boards with my stance in abstaining from attending Ewood whilst we have these imposters purporting in running the club. This is my personal choice on the basis of facts that present themselves.

39 years I have followed my club, my team, my town all over these lands with the odd excursion into Europe on a consistent basis, in fact I would go so far as to say I am one of the 6000 hardcore supporter of BRFC, but this is not going to be any longer on the basis that I will not allow people of ill repute in taking advantage of that commitment. I work on a basis of a two way street, not a one way system !

I have no problem with folk wishing to remain loyal at this time by attending Ewood but, I would be grateful if you would offer me the same courtesy in my reason for not ?

Intrinsically I am attached to BRFC, and this will always remain, but not under these conditions that affront us at this time.

I have made my peace all matters BRFC under these current owners, and they can carry on without me as I utterly and totally disagree with how they choose to treat BRFC and all of it's members.

For your question as to those '30 somethings' who are banging the drum for non attendance, but, who will return should the fortunes be of a upward nature, I can assure you until the 'Odious One' as left, and Venky(should they still be involved?) grow some gonads, I will not be part of it.

You have my word on that.

BRSIT and BRAG are the only viable way forward, in my opinion, if we wish to retain the history of our club ? I have no problem with evolving, never have had, but we deserve much better treatment than that which as been meted out thus far. That, in itself speaks volumes as to why so many supporters have voted with their feet, and most possibly an end to their support of BRFC under these people ?

For the record: I cannot see(although I understand) how anyone can attend Ewood under present circumstances and cheer this despicable regime on the claim that you are supporting the team ?

I will follow the shirt when there are people fit to wear it, and are managed by competent people right the way through the club.

Regards

Arte et labore

"BRSIT and BRAG are the only viable way forward, in my opinion,"

Having looked at the questions put forward to the FA by the action group I struggle to see how that is a way forward. (have you read them)

Venkys don`t appear to be looking to sell the club, if they did would the fans buy out be realistic! the Walker trust left a large overdraft which would have to be serviced as well as having funds to make a bid.

glen9mullan wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:
DaBoss as much as you wish for your comments to have credence all matters BRFC, unfortunately your apologetic nuances toward the destruction(in the short term at least) of BRFC is disconcerting to say the least.

This lot between them have systematically destroyed a reputable and well run club.

Comments should be based in and around these facts in my opinion.

I, after initially supporting the whole set up in the most practicable of ways reached the point in which I realized that my devotion, commitment and dedication was, in short, having the rise taken out of it by these lying, incompetent and amateurish buffoons.

Like most on here I have attempted to rationalize, reason, and be fair minded over matters at Ewood, but they have failed due to the lack of transparency, and above all a utter lack of respect for the community of Blackburn Rovers Football Club.

I cannot and do not attempt to influence any on these boards with my stance in abstaining from attending Ewood whilst we have these imposters purporting in running the club. This is my personal choice on the basis of facts that present themselves.

39 years I have followed my club, my team, my town all over these lands with the odd excursion into Europe on a consistent basis, in fact I would go so far as to say I am one of the 6000 hardcore supporter of BRFC, but this is not going to be any longer on the basis that I will not allow people of ill repute in taking advantage of that commitment. I work on a basis of a two way street, not a one way system !

I have no problem with folk wishing to remain loyal at this time by attending Ewood but, I would be grateful if you would offer me the same courtesy in my reason for not ?

Intrinsically I am attached to BRFC, and this will always remain, but not under these conditions that affront us at this time.

I have made my peace all matters BRFC under these current owners, and they can carry on without me as I utterly and totally disagree with how they choose to treat BRFC and all of it's members.

For your question as to those '30 somethings' who are banging the drum for non attendance, but, who will return should the fortunes be of a upward nature, I can assure you until the 'Odious One' as left, and Venky(should they still be involved?) grow some gonads, I will not be part of it.

You have my word on that.

BRSIT and BRAG are the only viable way forward, in my opinion, if we wish to retain the history of our club ? I have no problem with evolving, never have had, but we deserve much better treatment than that which as been meted out thus far. That, in itself speaks volumes as to why so many supporters have voted with their feet, and most possibly an end to their support of BRFC under these people ?

For the record: I cannot see(although I understand) how anyone can attend Ewood under present circumstances and cheer this despicable regime on the claim that you are supporting the team ?

I will follow the shirt when there are people fit to wear it, and are managed by competent people right the way through the club.

Regards

Arte et labore

"BRSIT and BRAG are the only viable way forward, in my opinion,"

Having looked at the questions put forward to the FA by the action group I struggle to see how that is a way forward. (have you read them)

Venkys don`t appear to be looking to sell the club, if they did would the fans buy out be realistic! the Walker trust left a large overdraft which would have to be serviced as well as having funds to make a bid.

Have you read them? I don't think anyone could of claimed to have read them as those questions have not been made public, nor has the supporting evidence which came with such questions.
BRFC Action Group has now met with the Premier League, The FA and the Goverment. I can ensure everyone we did not go there either un-prepared or with the intention of just having a moan. Its taken months of digging, speaking to current and ex employee's. Talking to people both here and abroad with connections to Rovers including through third parties to put together a dossier which we could present which shows a clear breaking of FA and Premier League rules. There has been so many wild conspriocies which have been written or told, and even these have had to be investigated by us, to either back them up or dismiss them. Every single piece of evidence we submitted was backed up by testimony and documents. There is still things out there we know to be true which we cannot yet submit as fact due to (A) Not having a document to prove it, or (B) Not having the people who claim these things to go on record. However what we do have is enough evidence which contravenes a number of rules within the FA and Prem guidelines.
The BRFC Action Group are holding an open meeting on the 24th June at 2pm at longshaw club and everyone is welcome to attend. This will give everyone an opportunity to hear first hand how these meetings went.
Do you think this case would of been taken to Parliament without there being significant evidence? To go as far as Parliament shows that an outside influence is needed to ensure justice is done.
We told both the FA and Prem to be under no illusions regarding how far we would take this. We made it quite clear that they can deal with it behind closed doors swiftly and cleanly, or we will go public on everything we have, which ultimately will show beyond reasonable doubt the failings of the system which has been put in place to protect the integrity of football.
The only people who have seen what has been submitted to the FA, Prem, Hugh Robertson are, The 3 Mps present and the BRFC Action Group Committee. Of these only the BRFC Action Group Committee were present in the Prem and FA meeting.

fickle fan wrote:

glen9mullan wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:
DaBoss as much as you wish for your comments to have credence all matters BRFC, unfortunately your apologetic nuances toward the destruction(in the short term at least) of BRFC is disconcerting to say the least.

This lot between them have systematically destroyed a reputable and well run club.

Comments should be based in and around these facts in my opinion.

I, after initially supporting the whole set up in the most practicable of ways reached the point in which I realized that my devotion, commitment and dedication was, in short, having the rise taken out of it by these lying, incompetent and amateurish buffoons.

Like most on here I have attempted to rationalize, reason, and be fair minded over matters at Ewood, but they have failed due to the lack of transparency, and above all a utter lack of respect for the community of Blackburn Rovers Football Club.

I cannot and do not attempt to influence any on these boards with my stance in abstaining from attending Ewood whilst we have these imposters purporting in running the club. This is my personal choice on the basis of facts that present themselves.

39 years I have followed my club, my team, my town all over these lands with the odd excursion into Europe on a consistent basis, in fact I would go so far as to say I am one of the 6000 hardcore supporter of BRFC, but this is not going to be any longer on the basis that I will not allow people of ill repute in taking advantage of that commitment. I work on a basis of a two way street, not a one way system !

I have no problem with folk wishing to remain loyal at this time by attending Ewood but, I would be grateful if you would offer me the same courtesy in my reason for not ?

Intrinsically I am attached to BRFC, and this will always remain, but not under these conditions that affront us at this time.

I have made my peace all matters BRFC under these current owners, and they can carry on without me as I utterly and totally disagree with how they choose to treat BRFC and all of it's members.

For your question as to those '30 somethings' who are banging the drum for non attendance, but, who will return should the fortunes be of a upward nature, I can assure you until the 'Odious One' as left, and Venky(should they still be involved?) grow some gonads, I will not be part of it.

You have my word on that.

BRSIT and BRAG are the only viable way forward, in my opinion, if we wish to retain the history of our club ? I have no problem with evolving, never have had, but we deserve much better treatment than that which as been meted out thus far. That, in itself speaks volumes as to why so many supporters have voted with their feet, and most possibly an end to their support of BRFC under these people ?

For the record: I cannot see(although I understand) how anyone can attend Ewood under present circumstances and cheer this despicable regime on the claim that you are supporting the team ?

I will follow the shirt when there are people fit to wear it, and are managed by competent people right the way through the club.

Regards

Arte et labore

"BRSIT and BRAG are the only viable way forward, in my opinion,"

Having looked at the questions put forward to the FA by the action group I struggle to see how that is a way forward. (have you read them)

Venkys don`t appear to be looking to sell the club, if they did would the fans buy out be realistic! the Walker trust left a large overdraft which would have to be serviced as well as having funds to make a bid.

Have you read them? I don't think anyone could of claimed to have read them as those questions have not been made public, nor has the supporting evidence which came with such questions.
BRFC Action Group has now met with the Premier League, The FA and the Goverment. I can ensure everyone we did not go there either un-prepared or with the intention of just having a moan. Its taken months of digging, speaking to current and ex employee's. Talking to people both here and abroad with connections to Rovers including through third parties to put together a dossier which we could present which shows a clear breaking of FA and Premier League rules. There has been so many wild conspriocies which have been written or told, and even these have had to be investigated by us, to either back them up or dismiss them. Every single piece of evidence we submitted was backed up by testimony and documents. There is still things out there we know to be true which we cannot yet submit as fact due to (A) Not having a document to prove it, or (B) Not having the people who claim these things to go on record. However what we do have is enough evidence which contravenes a number of rules within the FA and Prem guidelines.
The BRFC Action Group are holding an open meeting on the 24th June at 2pm at longshaw club and everyone is welcome to attend. This will give everyone an opportunity to hear first hand how these meetings went.
Do you think this case would of been taken to Parliament without there being significant evidence? To go as far as Parliament shows that an outside influence is needed to ensure justice is done.
We told both the FA and Prem to be under no illusions regarding how far we would take this. We made it quite clear that they can deal with it behind closed doors swiftly and cleanly, or we will go public on everything we have, which ultimately will show beyond reasonable doubt the failings of the system which has been put in place to protect the integrity of football.
The only people who have seen what has been submitted to the FA, Prem, Hugh Robertson are, The 3 Mps present and the BRFC Action Group Committee. Of these only the BRFC Action Group Committee were present in the Prem and FA meeting.

It would do no harm to show which rules have been broken, If rules have been broken. this would stop all the conspiracy stories. Also the outcome if rules have been broken would be !

A Darener wrote:
Keep up the good work. Justice will prevail.

fickle fan wrote:

glen9mullan wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:
DaBoss as much as you wish for your comments to have credence all matters BRFC, unfortunately your apologetic nuances toward the destruction(in the short term at least) of BRFC is disconcerting to say the least.

This lot between them have systematically destroyed a reputable and well run club.

Comments should be based in and around these facts in my opinion.

I, after initially supporting the whole set up in the most practicable of ways reached the point in which I realized that my devotion, commitment and dedication was, in short, having the rise taken out of it by these lying, incompetent and amateurish buffoons.

Like most on here I have attempted to rationalize, reason, and be fair minded over matters at Ewood, but they have failed due to the lack of transparency, and above all a utter lack of respect for the community of Blackburn Rovers Football Club.

I cannot and do not attempt to influence any on these boards with my stance in abstaining from attending Ewood whilst we have these imposters purporting in running the club. This is my personal choice on the basis of facts that present themselves.

39 years I have followed my club, my team, my town all over these lands with the odd excursion into Europe on a consistent basis, in fact I would go so far as to say I am one of the 6000 hardcore supporter of BRFC, but this is not going to be any longer on the basis that I will not allow people of ill repute in taking advantage of that commitment. I work on a basis of a two way street, not a one way system !

I have no problem with folk wishing to remain loyal at this time by attending Ewood but, I would be grateful if you would offer me the same courtesy in my reason for not ?

Intrinsically I am attached to BRFC, and this will always remain, but not under these conditions that affront us at this time.

I have made my peace all matters BRFC under these current owners, and they can carry on without me as I utterly and totally disagree with how they choose to treat BRFC and all of it's members.

For your question as to those '30 somethings' who are banging the drum for non attendance, but, who will return should the fortunes be of a upward nature, I can assure you until the 'Odious One' as left, and Venky(should they still be involved?) grow some gonads, I will not be part of it.

You have my word on that.

BRSIT and BRAG are the only viable way forward, in my opinion, if we wish to retain the history of our club ? I have no problem with evolving, never have had, but we deserve much better treatment than that which as been meted out thus far. That, in itself speaks volumes as to why so many supporters have voted with their feet, and most possibly an end to their support of BRFC under these people ?

For the record: I cannot see(although I understand) how anyone can attend Ewood under present circumstances and cheer this despicable regime on the claim that you are supporting the team ?

I will follow the shirt when there are people fit to wear it, and are managed by competent people right the way through the club.

Regards

Arte et labore

"BRSIT and BRAG are the only viable way forward, in my opinion,"

Having looked at the questions put forward to the FA by the action group I struggle to see how that is a way forward. (have you read them)

Venkys don`t appear to be looking to sell the club, if they did would the fans buy out be realistic! the Walker trust left a large overdraft which would have to be serviced as well as having funds to make a bid.

Have you read them? I don't think anyone could of claimed to have read them as those questions have not been made public, nor has the supporting evidence which came with such questions.
BRFC Action Group has now met with the Premier League, The FA and the Goverment. I can ensure everyone we did not go there either un-prepared or with the intention of just having a moan. Its taken months of digging, speaking to current and ex employee's. Talking to people both here and abroad with connections to Rovers including through third parties to put together a dossier which we could present which shows a clear breaking of FA and Premier League rules. There has been so many wild conspriocies which have been written or told, and even these have had to be investigated by us, to either back them up or dismiss them. Every single piece of evidence we submitted was backed up by testimony and documents. There is still things out there we know to be true which we cannot yet submit as fact due to (A) Not having a document to prove it, or (B) Not having the people who claim these things to go on record. However what we do have is enough evidence which contravenes a number of rules within the FA and Prem guidelines.
The BRFC Action Group are holding an open meeting on the 24th June at 2pm at longshaw club and everyone is welcome to attend. This will give everyone an opportunity to hear first hand how these meetings went.
Do you think this case would of been taken to Parliament without there being significant evidence? To go as far as Parliament shows that an outside influence is needed to ensure justice is done.
We told both the FA and Prem to be under no illusions regarding how far we would take this. We made it quite clear that they can deal with it behind closed doors swiftly and cleanly, or we will go public on everything we have, which ultimately will show beyond reasonable doubt the failings of the system which has been put in place to protect the integrity of football.
The only people who have seen what has been submitted to the FA, Prem, Hugh Robertson are, The 3 Mps present and the BRFC Action Group Committee. Of these only the BRFC Action Group Committee were present in the Prem and FA meeting.

It would do no harm to show which rules have been broken, If rules have been broken. this would stop all the conspiracy stories. Also the outcome if rules have been broken would be !

Harwoodstblue wrote:

A Darener wrote:
Keep up the good work. Justice will prevail.

Well done Glen and thanks for all the hard work behind the scenes.Their time will surely come and justice WILL prevail.

glen9mullan wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

glen9mullan wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:
DaBoss as much as you wish for your comments to have credence all matters BRFC, unfortunately your apologetic nuances toward the destruction(in the short term at least) of BRFC is disconcerting to say the least.

This lot between them have systematically destroyed a reputable and well run club.

Comments should be based in and around these facts in my opinion.

I, after initially supporting the whole set up in the most practicable of ways reached the point in which I realized that my devotion, commitment and dedication was, in short, having the rise taken out of it by these lying, incompetent and amateurish buffoons.

Like most on here I have attempted to rationalize, reason, and be fair minded over matters at Ewood, but they have failed due to the lack of transparency, and above all a utter lack of respect for the community of Blackburn Rovers Football Club.

I cannot and do not attempt to influence any on these boards with my stance in abstaining from attending Ewood whilst we have these imposters purporting in running the club. This is my personal choice on the basis of facts that present themselves.

39 years I have followed my club, my team, my town all over these lands with the odd excursion into Europe on a consistent basis, in fact I would go so far as to say I am one of the 6000 hardcore supporter of BRFC, but this is not going to be any longer on the basis that I will not allow people of ill repute in taking advantage of that commitment. I work on a basis of a two way street, not a one way system !

I have no problem with folk wishing to remain loyal at this time by attending Ewood but, I would be grateful if you would offer me the same courtesy in my reason for not ?

Intrinsically I am attached to BRFC, and this will always remain, but not under these conditions that affront us at this time.

I have made my peace all matters BRFC under these current owners, and they can carry on without me as I utterly and totally disagree with how they choose to treat BRFC and all of it's members.

For your question as to those '30 somethings' who are banging the drum for non attendance, but, who will return should the fortunes be of a upward nature, I can assure you until the 'Odious One' as left, and Venky(should they still be involved?) grow some gonads, I will not be part of it.

You have my word on that.

BRSIT and BRAG are the only viable way forward, in my opinion, if we wish to retain the history of our club ? I have no problem with evolving, never have had, but we deserve much better treatment than that which as been meted out thus far. That, in itself speaks volumes as to why so many supporters have voted with their feet, and most possibly an end to their support of BRFC under these people ?

For the record: I cannot see(although I understand) how anyone can attend Ewood under present circumstances and cheer this despicable regime on the claim that you are supporting the team ?

I will follow the shirt when there are people fit to wear it, and are managed by competent people right the way through the club.

Regards

Arte et labore

"BRSIT and BRAG are the only viable way forward, in my opinion,"

Having looked at the questions put forward to the FA by the action group I struggle to see how that is a way forward. (have you read them)

Venkys don`t appear to be looking to sell the club, if they did would the fans buy out be realistic! the Walker trust left a large overdraft which would have to be serviced as well as having funds to make a bid.

Have you read them? I don't think anyone could of claimed to have read them as those questions have not been made public, nor has the supporting evidence which came with such questions.
BRFC Action Group has now met with the Premier League, The FA and the Goverment. I can ensure everyone we did not go there either un-prepared or with the intention of just having a moan. Its taken months of digging, speaking to current and ex employee's. Talking to people both here and abroad with connections to Rovers including through third parties to put together a dossier which we could present which shows a clear breaking of FA and Premier League rules. There has been so many wild conspriocies which have been written or told, and even these have had to be investigated by us, to either back them up or dismiss them. Every single piece of evidence we submitted was backed up by testimony and documents. There is still things out there we know to be true which we cannot yet submit as fact due to (A) Not having a document to prove it, or (B) Not having the people who claim these things to go on record. However what we do have is enough evidence which contravenes a number of rules within the FA and Prem guidelines.
The BRFC Action Group are holding an open meeting on the 24th June at 2pm at longshaw club and everyone is welcome to attend. This will give everyone an opportunity to hear first hand how these meetings went.
Do you think this case would of been taken to Parliament without there being significant evidence? To go as far as Parliament shows that an outside influence is needed to ensure justice is done.
We told both the FA and Prem to be under no illusions regarding how far we would take this. We made it quite clear that they can deal with it behind closed doors swiftly and cleanly, or we will go public on everything we have, which ultimately will show beyond reasonable doubt the failings of the system which has been put in place to protect the integrity of football.
The only people who have seen what has been submitted to the FA, Prem, Hugh Robertson are, The 3 Mps present and the BRFC Action Group Committee. Of these only the BRFC Action Group Committee were present in the Prem and FA meeting.

It would do no harm to show which rules have been broken, If rules have been broken. this would stop all the conspiracy stories. Also the outcome if rules have been broken would be !

As this is now investigation it would be foolish of us to handicap this by making public the contents of such. This would damage any sort of case which needs to be heard and give those who are involved an in-sight into exactly what the governing bodies are looking at. I would love to shout from the roof tops, however that would make the last 9 months of hard graft in gathering such information as a pointless exercise, if they know whats been looked at, i'm pretty sure they can try and make aspects of it disappear

BlueSkies wrote:
Fickle Fan




That name sums you up.

You try to dilute the efforts of BRFCAG, BRSIT and others.

Ask yourself this....

What have YOU done to impact on the events at Ewood?


I think it's time you vacated this forum...............

.........

fickle fan wrote:

glen9mullan wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

glen9mullan wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:
DaBoss as much as you wish for your comments to have credence all matters BRFC, unfortunately your apologetic nuances toward the destruction(in the short term at least) of BRFC is disconcerting to say the least.

This lot between them have systematically destroyed a reputable and well run club.

Comments should be based in and around these facts in my opinion.

I, after initially supporting the whole set up in the most practicable of ways reached the point in which I realized that my devotion, commitment and dedication was, in short, having the rise taken out of it by these lying, incompetent and amateurish buffoons.

Like most on here I have attempted to rationalize, reason, and be fair minded over matters at Ewood, but they have failed due to the lack of transparency, and above all a utter lack of respect for the community of Blackburn Rovers Football Club.

I cannot and do not attempt to influence any on these boards with my stance in abstaining from attending Ewood whilst we have these imposters purporting in running the club. This is my personal choice on the basis of facts that present themselves.

39 years I have followed my club, my team, my town all over these lands with the odd excursion into Europe on a consistent basis, in fact I would go so far as to say I am one of the 6000 hardcore supporter of BRFC, but this is not going to be any longer on the basis that I will not allow people of ill repute in taking advantage of that commitment. I work on a basis of a two way street, not a one way system !

I have no problem with folk wishing to remain loyal at this time by attending Ewood but, I would be grateful if you would offer me the same courtesy in my reason for not ?

Intrinsically I am attached to BRFC, and this will always remain, but not under these conditions that affront us at this time.

I have made my peace all matters BRFC under these current owners, and they can carry on without me as I utterly and totally disagree with how they choose to treat BRFC and all of it's members.

For your question as to those '30 somethings' who are banging the drum for non attendance, but, who will return should the fortunes be of a upward nature, I can assure you until the 'Odious One' as left, and Venky(should they still be involved?) grow some gonads, I will not be part of it.

You have my word on that.

BRSIT and BRAG are the only viable way forward, in my opinion, if we wish to retain the history of our club ? I have no problem with evolving, never have had, but we deserve much better treatment than that which as been meted out thus far. That, in itself speaks volumes as to why so many supporters have voted with their feet, and most possibly an end to their support of BRFC under these people ?

For the record: I cannot see(although I understand) how anyone can attend Ewood under present circumstances and cheer this despicable regime on the claim that you are supporting the team ?

I will follow the shirt when there are people fit to wear it, and are managed by competent people right the way through the club.

Regards

Arte et labore

"BRSIT and BRAG are the only viable way forward, in my opinion,"

Having looked at the questions put forward to the FA by the action group I struggle to see how that is a way forward. (have you read them)

Venkys don`t appear to be looking to sell the club, if they did would the fans buy out be realistic! the Walker trust left a large overdraft which would have to be serviced as well as having funds to make a bid.

Have you read them? I don't think anyone could of claimed to have read them as those questions have not been made public, nor has the supporting evidence which came with such questions.
BRFC Action Group has now met with the Premier League, The FA and the Goverment. I can ensure everyone we did not go there either un-prepared or with the intention of just having a moan. Its taken months of digging, speaking to current and ex employee's. Talking to people both here and abroad with connections to Rovers including through third parties to put together a dossier which we could present which shows a clear breaking of FA and Premier League rules. There has been so many wild conspriocies which have been written or told, and even these have had to be investigated by us, to either back them up or dismiss them. Every single piece of evidence we submitted was backed up by testimony and documents. There is still things out there we know to be true which we cannot yet submit as fact due to (A) Not having a document to prove it, or (B) Not having the people who claim these things to go on record. However what we do have is enough evidence which contravenes a number of rules within the FA and Prem guidelines.
The BRFC Action Group are holding an open meeting on the 24th June at 2pm at longshaw club and everyone is welcome to attend. This will give everyone an opportunity to hear first hand how these meetings went.
Do you think this case would of been taken to Parliament without there being significant evidence? To go as far as Parliament shows that an outside influence is needed to ensure justice is done.
We told both the FA and Prem to be under no illusions regarding how far we would take this. We made it quite clear that they can deal with it behind closed doors swiftly and cleanly, or we will go public on everything we have, which ultimately will show beyond reasonable doubt the failings of the system which has been put in place to protect the integrity of football.
The only people who have seen what has been submitted to the FA, Prem, Hugh Robertson are, The 3 Mps present and the BRFC Action Group Committee. Of these only the BRFC Action Group Committee were present in the Prem and FA meeting.

It would do no harm to show which rules have been broken, If rules have been broken. this would stop all the conspiracy stories. Also the outcome if rules have been broken would be !

As this is now investigation it would be foolish of us to handicap this by making public the contents of such. This would damage any sort of case which needs to be heard and give those who are involved an in-sight into exactly what the governing bodies are looking at. I would love to shout from the roof tops, however that would make the last 9 months of hard graft in gathering such information as a pointless exercise, if they know whats been looked at, i'm pretty sure they can try and make aspects of it disappear

Right so you can,t state what rules have been broken but at the end of the process there can only be one of two outcomes.

1. Rules have been broken
2 Rules haven,t been broken

If its 2 then nothing has changed

If its 1 rules have been broken then what can possibly change.
ie at the end of all your action rules have found to have been broken what will the position of the club

If they know they have done anything wrong would this not have happened already
"if they know whats been looked at, i'm pretty sure they can try and make aspects of it disappear"

A final point as you probably know there was a documentary which highlighted certain goings on in football . the makers of such programmes would have experts on such matters and access to legal teams you haven`t commented on why you haven,t gone down that line of enquiry.

BlueSkies wrote:
Fickle Fan




That name sums you up.

You try to dilute the efforts of BRFCAG, BRSIT and others.

Ask yourself this....

What have YOU done to impact on the events at Ewood?


I think it's time you vacated this forum...............

.........

fickle fan wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
Fickle Fan




That name sums you up.

You try to dilute the efforts of BRFCAG, BRSIT and others.

Ask yourself this....

What have YOU done to impact on the events at Ewood?


I think it's time you vacated this forum...............


.........

so far i have gained knowledge from my points and the answers I have been given ,

think about the name I use

one of the values of this beautiful country is freedom of speech many have served to protect this value because I may sometimes question and challenge I also have the right to put forward my views and support the values I wish because my views differ from yours does not mean I have to vacate this forum, I would suggest that If you cannot cope with this it should be you who vacates this forum




"Ignorance is the curse of God; knowledge is the wing wherewith we fly to heaven"

Harwoodstblue wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
Fickle Fan




That name sums you up.

You try to dilute the efforts of BRFCAG, BRSIT and others.

Ask yourself this....

What have YOU done to impact on the events at Ewood?


I think it's time you vacated this forum...............



.........

so far i have gained knowledge from my points and the answers I have been given ,

think about the name I use

one of the values of this beautiful country is freedom of speech many have served to protect this value because I may sometimes question and challenge I also have the right to put forward my views and support the values I wish because my views differ from yours does not mean I have to vacate this forum, I would suggest that If you cannot cope with this it should be you who vacates this forum




"Ignorance is the curse of God; knowledge is the wing wherewith we fly to heaven"

All well and good Blue Skies, but notice FF didn't answer your question.

Harwoodstblue wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
Fickle Fan




That name sums you up.

You try to dilute the efforts of BRFCAG, BRSIT and others.

Ask yourself this....

What have YOU done to impact on the events at Ewood?


I think it's time you vacated this forum...............



.........

so far i have gained knowledge from my points and the answers I have been given ,

think about the name I use

one of the values of this beautiful country is freedom of speech many have served to protect this value because I may sometimes question and challenge I also have the right to put forward my views and support the values I wish because my views differ from yours does not mean I have to vacate this forum, I would suggest that If you cannot cope with this it should be you who vacates this forum




"Ignorance is the curse of God; knowledge is the wing wherewith we fly to heaven"

All well and good Blue Skies, but notice FF didn't answer your question.

Harwoodstblue wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

glen9mullan wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

glen9mullan wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:
DaBoss as much as you wish for your comments to have credence all matters BRFC, unfortunately your apologetic nuances toward the destruction(in the short term at least) of BRFC is disconcerting to say the least.

This lot between them have systematically destroyed a reputable and well run club.

Comments should be based in and around these facts in my opinion.

I, after initially supporting the whole set up in the most practicable of ways reached the point in which I realized that my devotion, commitment and dedication was, in short, having the rise taken out of it by these lying, incompetent and amateurish buffoons.

Like most on here I have attempted to rationalize, reason, and be fair minded over matters at Ewood, but they have failed due to the lack of transparency, and above all a utter lack of respect for the community of Blackburn Rovers Football Club.

I cannot and do not attempt to influence any on these boards with my stance in abstaining from attending Ewood whilst we have these imposters purporting in running the club. This is my personal choice on the basis of facts that present themselves.

39 years I have followed my club, my team, my town all over these lands with the odd excursion into Europe on a consistent basis, in fact I would go so far as to say I am one of the 6000 hardcore supporter of BRFC, but this is not going to be any longer on the basis that I will not allow people of ill repute in taking advantage of that commitment. I work on a basis of a two way street, not a one way system !

I have no problem with folk wishing to remain loyal at this time by attending Ewood but, I would be grateful if you would offer me the same courtesy in my reason for not ?

Intrinsically I am attached to BRFC, and this will always remain, but not under these conditions that affront us at this time.

I have made my peace all matters BRFC under these current owners, and they can carry on without me as I utterly and totally disagree with how they choose to treat BRFC and all of it's members.

For your question as to those '30 somethings' who are banging the drum for non attendance, but, who will return should the fortunes be of a upward nature, I can assure you until the 'Odious One' as left, and Venky(should they still be involved?) grow some gonads, I will not be part of it.

You have my word on that.

BRSIT and BRAG are the only viable way forward, in my opinion, if we wish to retain the history of our club ? I have no problem with evolving, never have had, but we deserve much better treatment than that which as been meted out thus far. That, in itself speaks volumes as to why so many supporters have voted with their feet, and most possibly an end to their support of BRFC under these people ?

For the record: I cannot see(although I understand) how anyone can attend Ewood under present circumstances and cheer this despicable regime on the claim that you are supporting the team ?

I will follow the shirt when there are people fit to wear it, and are managed by competent people right the way through the club.

Regards

Arte et labore

"BRSIT and BRAG are the only viable way forward, in my opinion,"

Having looked at the questions put forward to the FA by the action group I struggle to see how that is a way forward. (have you read them)

Venkys don`t appear to be looking to sell the club, if they did would the fans buy out be realistic! the Walker trust left a large overdraft which would have to be serviced as well as having funds to make a bid.

Have you read them? I don't think anyone could of claimed to have read them as those questions have not been made public, nor has the supporting evidence which came with such questions.
BRFC Action Group has now met with the Premier League, The FA and the Goverment. I can ensure everyone we did not go there either un-prepared or with the intention of just having a moan. Its taken months of digging, speaking to current and ex employee's. Talking to people both here and abroad with connections to Rovers including through third parties to put together a dossier which we could present which shows a clear breaking of FA and Premier League rules. There has been so many wild conspriocies which have been written or told, and even these have had to be investigated by us, to either back them up or dismiss them. Every single piece of evidence we submitted was backed up by testimony and documents. There is still things out there we know to be true which we cannot yet submit as fact due to (A) Not having a document to prove it, or (B) Not having the people who claim these things to go on record. However what we do have is enough evidence which contravenes a number of rules within the FA and Prem guidelines.
The BRFC Action Group are holding an open meeting on the 24th June at 2pm at longshaw club and everyone is welcome to attend. This will give everyone an opportunity to hear first hand how these meetings went.
Do you think this case would of been taken to Parliament without there being significant evidence? To go as far as Parliament shows that an outside influence is needed to ensure justice is done.
We told both the FA and Prem to be under no illusions regarding how far we would take this. We made it quite clear that they can deal with it behind closed doors swiftly and cleanly, or we will go public on everything we have, which ultimately will show beyond reasonable doubt the failings of the system which has been put in place to protect the integrity of football.
The only people who have seen what has been submitted to the FA, Prem, Hugh Robertson are, The 3 Mps present and the BRFC Action Group Committee. Of these only the BRFC Action Group Committee were present in the Prem and FA meeting.

It would do no harm to show which rules have been broken, If rules have been broken. this would stop all the conspiracy stories. Also the outcome if rules have been broken would be !

As this is now investigation it would be foolish of us to handicap this by making public the contents of such. This would damage any sort of case which needs to be heard and give those who are involved an in-sight into exactly what the governing bodies are looking at. I would love to shout from the roof tops, however that would make the last 9 months of hard graft in gathering such information as a pointless exercise, if they know whats been looked at, i'm pretty sure they can try and make aspects of it disappear

Right so you can,t state what rules have been broken but at the end of the process there can only be one of two outcomes.

1. Rules have been broken
2 Rules haven,t been broken

If its 2 then nothing has changed

If its 1 rules have been broken then what can possibly change.
ie at the end of all your action rules have found to have been broken what will the position of the club

If they know they have done anything wrong would this not have happened already
"if they know whats been looked at, i'm pretty sure they can try and make aspects of it disappear"

A final point as you probably know there was a documentary which highlighted certain goings on in football . the makers of such programmes would have experts on such matters and access to legal teams you haven`t commented on why you haven,t gone down that line of enquiry.

You have said enough Glen. I would leave it at that. FF is digging.

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
'TAKING US DOWN DELIBERATELY'

Interesting comment. After being 6 points clear and then embarking on a calamitously bad run of performances, I actually raised the matter on this site when I questioned the validity of it all.

Some of the substitutions in games during this run beggared belief. Swansea away for example, when we were losing and SK takes off Yak and Junior (I stand to be corrected on JH), even the pundits on Sky were asking why take off one of the PL's top strikers when we needed to score goals. Phil Thompson was asked 'why', he replied 'don't ask me me, I have absolutely no idea'.

There were others but tbh I can't be bothered recounting them. What was going through my mind was 'we will be relegated no matter what'. Spurs away? What was that all about? Dunn comes off and winks at the bench. Job done perhaps? Mission almost accomplished?

Conspiracies? Maybe, but these are the CRAZIEST times ever at Ewood Park. I don't remember my first games but know for sure I saw Tommy Briggs, taking me back to 1956/7 at least and being gutted I couldn't go to the 1958 FA cup semi-final. I am seeped in BRFC, my father was a massive fan. I once went to a Burnley game with my mate and his dad (I was at junior school at the time in Rishton) and my dad didn't speak to me for 3 weeks (dingles got battered by WHU).

Anyway I digress, after many discussions with family and close friends, I and many others will not be going back to Ewood while any of the current incumbents are around.

For the non-believers, the future is BRSIT, BRFCAG, Ian Battersby. The club we knew no longer exists. We will have a future, we will rise again, not to the PL granted.

The sooner these parasites go the better, then the rebuild can begin.

Quality item.

Let us look at the true meaning of 'Deliberate' from the dictionary:

1.Done consciously and intentionally
2. Fully considered; not impulsive
3. Done or acting in a careful and unhurried way.

Blueskies, your spot on about being deliberately being taken down.

I believe the above will bear you out and, is damning to the reign of Venky's.

They have been deliberate alright !

Regards

Arte et labore

and the evidence you have to support this is

BlueSkies wrote:
Fickle Fan?

Probably a Dingle.

His views are not representative of the populace!

fickle fan wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
Fickle Fan?

Probably a Dingle.

His views are not representative of the populace!

Why oh why must someone be a dingle because they question conspiracy theories and don,t bow down to mob rule mentality, yes I will have been on turf many more times than you(think about that) b4 I put any faith in a course of action I would need to know the possible outcomes.
So if rules have been broken and it becomes proven what are the consequences, so you think I`m a dingle because I ask a question like that, because if you throw your weight behind a course of action without any idea of the outcome what do you hope to achieve.
So answer an easy question after the action has been taken what position will BRFC be in

Harwoodstblue wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
Fickle Fan?

Probably a Dingle.

His views are not representative of the populace!

Why oh why must someone be a dingle because they question conspiracy theories and don,t bow down to mob rule mentality, yes I will have been on turf many more times than you(think about that) b4 I put any faith in a course of action I would need to know the possible outcomes.
So if rules have been broken and it becomes proven what are the consequences, so you think I`m a dingle because I ask a question like that, because if you throw your weight behind a course of action without any idea of the outcome what do you hope to achieve.
So answer an easy question after the action has been taken what position will BRFC be in

FF is having a laugh at Rovers fans expense. I said yesterday, ignore him/her as he/ she is taking the P*ss.

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
'TAKING US DOWN DELIBERATELY'

Interesting comment. After being 6 points clear and then embarking on a calamitously bad run of performances, I actually raised the matter on this site when I questioned the validity of it all.

Some of the substitutions in games during this run beggared belief. Swansea away for example, when we were losing and SK takes off Yak and Junior (I stand to be corrected on JH), even the pundits on Sky were asking why take off one of the PL's top strikers when we needed to score goals. Phil Thompson was asked 'why', he replied 'don't ask me me, I have absolutely no idea'.

There were others but tbh I can't be bothered recounting them. What was going through my mind was 'we will be relegated no matter what'. Spurs away? What was that all about? Dunn comes off and winks at the bench. Job done perhaps? Mission almost accomplished?

Conspiracies? Maybe, but these are the CRAZIEST times ever at Ewood Park. I don't remember my first games but know for sure I saw Tommy Briggs, taking me back to 1956/7 at least and being gutted I couldn't go to the 1958 FA cup semi-final. I am seeped in BRFC, my father was a massive fan. I once went to a Burnley game with my mate and his dad (I was at junior school at the time in Rishton) and my dad didn't speak to me for 3 weeks (dingles got battered by WHU).

Anyway I digress, after many discussions with family and close friends, I and many others will not be going back to Ewood while any of the current incumbents are around.

For the non-believers, the future is BRSIT, BRFCAG, Ian Battersby. The club we knew no longer exists. We will have a future, we will rise again, not to the PL granted.

The sooner these parasites go the better, then the rebuild can begin.

Quality item.

Let us look at the true meaning of 'Deliberate' from the dictionary:

1.Done consciously and intentionally
2. Fully considered; not impulsive
3. Done or acting in a careful and unhurried way.

Blueskies, your spot on about being deliberately being taken down.

I believe the above will bear you out and, is damning to the reign of Venky's.

They have been deliberate alright !

Regards

Arte et labore

and the evidence you have to support this is

Well Fickle, that is the million $ question, isn't it ?

I would suggest it is a very fine line indeed to what 'deliberate' is to be offered as to the reason(s) we witness down at Ewood ?

The evidence that as presented itself to me over 18 months as been enough to convince myself that supporting something that is so preposterous is evidence enough.

Don't delude yourself from the abysmal record that lay's before you right through the club since the takeover.

Is that not evidence enough for something that is deliberate ?

Our club was not on the verge of wrack and ruin before Venky took a hold. Now it is !

That is a deliberate act of negligence, is it not ?

Evidence is not always as transparent as you would like to believe !

Regards

Arte et labore

So you have no evidence

Obviously not enough for you !

I pity you your evidence and, when the real evidence appears, that on the pitch, we will see if that is evidence enough for you ?

Arte et labore

What are you on about "when the real evidence appears" so you know something which is evidence that is real and is going to appear

so you don`t really have any evidence

DaBoss wrote:
"RUinsane says...
1:41pm Sun 17 Jun 12

Does it matter if I am new or not, you obviously infuriated me that much by agreeing with an obsessed turd that I felt the need to voice my opinion.
I care not for your offer of mass debating as you did with BB4 claret, it was all a bit too electric 6 for me.
Sensible debate I can handle but I will not have an obsessed turd posting half an hour compositions of why we should accept our new found home. I don't accept that.We have been taken there. It was not through lack of luck and it is not our rightful place as you were intimating with the turd."

I'm going to assume you're an answer to your own username as you've clearly got me mixed up with someone else. Unless you care to point to the article and comments where I made an "offer of mass debating as you did with BB4 claret", I'll just put this down to yet more "evidence" out of the arse of the loyal masses (see sheep) that feel no need for facts when make believe is so much fun.

Harwoodstblue wrote:

RUinsane wrote:

DaBoss wrote:
RUInsane, you're either new here or another defeatist who had to change their username to avoid humiliation for being so dumb.

Re-read my previous posts about where I stand on Venky's ownership and tell me where I stated about getting behind the team or accepting dingles before spouting that rubbish, then I might consider debating with you.

Does it matter if I am new or not, you obviously infuriated me that much by agreeing with an obsessed turd that I felt the need to voice my opinion.
I care not for your offer of mass debating as you did with BB4 claret, it was all a bit too electric 6 for me.
Sensible debate I can handle but I will not have an obsessed turd posting half an hour compositions of why we should accept our new found home. I don't accept that.We have been taken there. It was not through lack of luck and it is not our rightful place as you were intimating with the turd.
Our rightful place is in the PL, we have the facilities and we used to have the infrastucture until it was systematically dismantled. For venky's to then come out and say we are confused and we don't know whats happened is just plain bullsheister.
You sell your best players, you get relegated. It can't be much simpler, so for the likes of you and the turd to come here and say they were naive just rubs folk up the wrong way.
Who are you anyway, Your username has only appeared in the last few weeks. Never seen you here before.
I'm not a naysayer or doom merchant, but I'm not a fool either.
The facts speak for themselves
Nelsen, career ending injury
Salgado, he's injured.
P Jones is not for sale
Samba is not for sale
Emerton wants to go home
El Hadj, is such a naughty boy
Kalanic, doesn't fit in.
Andrews, is having it bad
Roberts does not feature in what we are trying to achieve.

Now hand on heart, would that lineup above not have kept us in the PL?
Yes it would so the conclusion is, considering we have a manager with the worst win ratio in football history, we have been taken down deliberately in order to balance the books. But they look pretty stupid now as there is another extra 30 million for every club up there. Fantastic business acumen.
I will support the team, but I will not ever accept what has transpired over the last 18 months.

Well said RUinsane, There are one or two on here who need to take off the rose tinted glasses and SEE what's gone on at Ewood in the last 18 months. It's pretty obvious to genuine Rovers fans but seemingly not to one or two 'new posters.' I wonder what their motive is???

RUinsane wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
'TAKING US DOWN DELIBERATELY'

Interesting comment. After being 6 points clear and then embarking on a calamitously bad run of performances, I actually raised the matter on this site when I questioned the validity of it all.

Some of the substitutions in games during this run beggared belief. Swansea away for example, when we were losing and SK takes off Yak and Junior (I stand to be corrected on JH), even the pundits on Sky were asking why take off one of the PL's top strikers when we needed to score goals. Phil Thompson was asked 'why', he replied 'don't ask me me, I have absolutely no idea'.

There were others but tbh I can't be bothered recounting them. What was going through my mind was 'we will be relegated no matter what'. Spurs away? What was that all about? Dunn comes off and winks at the bench. Job done perhaps? Mission almost accomplished?

Conspiracies? Maybe, but these are the CRAZIEST times ever at Ewood Park. I don't remember my first games but know for sure I saw Tommy Briggs, taking me back to 1956/7 at least and being gutted I couldn't go to the 1958 FA cup semi-final. I am seeped in BRFC, my father was a massive fan. I once went to a Burnley game with my mate and his dad (I was at junior school at the time in Rishton) and my dad didn't speak to me for 3 weeks (dingles got battered by WHU).

Anyway I digress, after many discussions with family and close friends, I and many others will not be going back to Ewood while any of the current incumbents are around.

For the non-believers, the future is BRSIT, BRFCAG, Ian Battersby. The club we knew no longer exists. We will have a future, we will rise again, not to the PL granted.

The sooner these parasites go the better, then the rebuild can begin.

Quality item.

Let us look at the true meaning of 'Deliberate' from the dictionary:

1.Done consciously and intentionally
2. Fully considered; not impulsive
3. Done or acting in a careful and unhurried way.

Blueskies, your spot on about being deliberately being taken down.

I believe the above will bear you out and, is damning to the reign of Venky's.

They have been deliberate alright !

Regards

Arte et labore

and the evidence you have to support this is

Heres the evidence for you, the fickle fan that you are.
You barely escape relegation with the last game of the season. You go on to let the match winner leave on a free with 18 months left on his large contract cause he's been a good boy.
You get rid of the best up and coming centre back in the country by re negotiating his contract even though he already had a four year cast iron one, the new one has a release clause of a meagre 16 million inserted. Kalanic who was our top scorer at the end of a season where he only played half the games because he didn't fit. Givet getting dropped when we had no centre halves because his head was not in the right place. Your best midfielder sat in the stands even though he is deemed not good enough to displace Pedersen and Dunn is now wanted by half the premier league including Arsenal who finished third. Samba who was not for sale in the window only to be sold when it had shut thus having no chance of signing a replacement.
Salgado's shambolic treatment, a guy who has won the european cup was replaced by Bostick central south players brothers player of the year Bradley Orr, not funny enough.
Nelsens iron lung, he'll never kick a ball again as it may kill him goes to spurs, and oh yes spurs.
The spurs fiasco, no shots in 90 minutes yet the bald one says it went according to plan and we played well.
WTF

My, my I'm only just starting and all these naive mistakes they keep making don't look like a deliberate plot to balance the books to me. We were 10 million in debt when they took over and announced a further loss of 9 million. We now have no debt but have been relegated.
It looks to me and everyone else on here with just a few of the facts stated that it was done delibrately with only the sole intention of balancing the books. As Kean has done his job well, he has kept his job.
Do you need any more evidence that is all public record or can you find it for yourself because all us on these message boards are sick and tired of going over old issues for the sake of a few FICKLE FANS.
Do you need any more facts? I'm sure others can fill in a few diguised naive decisions for you because I only stated the choice nuggets there are hundreds more. Some of us on here have the knackers to say it like it is.

RUinsane wrote:

DaBoss wrote:
"RUinsane says...
1:41pm Sun 17 Jun 12

Does it matter if I am new or not, you obviously infuriated me that much by agreeing with an obsessed turd that I felt the need to voice my opinion.
I care not for your offer of mass debating as you did with BB4 claret, it was all a bit too electric 6 for me.
Sensible debate I can handle but I will not have an obsessed turd posting half an hour compositions of why we should accept our new found home. I don't accept that.We have been taken there. It was not through lack of luck and it is not our rightful place as you were intimating with the turd."

I'm going to assume you're an answer to your own username as you've clearly got me mixed up with someone else. Unless you care to point to the article and comments where I made an "offer of mass debating as you did with BB4 claret", I'll just put this down to yet more "evidence" out of the arse of the loyal masses (see sheep) that feel no need for facts when make believe is so much fun.

Look, BB4 isn't here, so you can't rub eachothers posts Electric 6 style. You were agreeing with a turd, sorry it just doesn't compute in my head.

roverfor60years wrote:
Harwoodstblue is right, Glen. You have said enough - maybe too much. As I said previously, keep your cards close to your chest. Don't be goaded. Yes, hats off to BRAG!

fickle fan wrote:

RUinsane wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
'TAKING US DOWN DELIBERATELY'

Interesting comment. After being 6 points clear and then embarking on a calamitously bad run of performances, I actually raised the matter on this site when I questioned the validity of it all.

Some of the substitutions in games during this run beggared belief. Swansea away for example, when we were losing and SK takes off Yak and Junior (I stand to be corrected on JH), even the pundits on Sky were asking why take off one of the PL's top strikers when we needed to score goals. Phil Thompson was asked 'why', he replied 'don't ask me me, I have absolutely no idea'.

There were others but tbh I can't be bothered recounting them. What was going through my mind was 'we will be relegated no matter what'. Spurs away? What was that all about? Dunn comes off and winks at the bench. Job done perhaps? Mission almost accomplished?

Conspiracies? Maybe, but these are the CRAZIEST times ever at Ewood Park. I don't remember my first games but know for sure I saw Tommy Briggs, taking me back to 1956/7 at least and being gutted I couldn't go to the 1958 FA cup semi-final. I am seeped in BRFC, my father was a massive fan. I once went to a Burnley game with my mate and his dad (I was at junior school at the time in Rishton) and my dad didn't speak to me for 3 weeks (dingles got battered by WHU).

Anyway I digress, after many discussions with family and close friends, I and many others will not be going back to Ewood while any of the current incumbents are around.

For the non-believers, the future is BRSIT, BRFCAG, Ian Battersby. The club we knew no longer exists. We will have a future, we will rise again, not to the PL granted.

The sooner these parasites go the better, then the rebuild can begin.

Quality item.

Let us look at the true meaning of 'Deliberate' from the dictionary:

1.Done consciously and intentionally
2. Fully considered; not impulsive
3. Done or acting in a careful and unhurried way.

Blueskies, your spot on about being deliberately being taken down.

I believe the above will bear you out and, is damning to the reign of Venky's.

They have been deliberate alright !

Regards

Arte et labore

and the evidence you have to support this is

Heres the evidence for you, the fickle fan that you are.
You barely escape relegation with the last game of the season. You go on to let the match winner leave on a free with 18 months left on his large contract cause he's been a good boy.
You get rid of the best up and coming centre back in the country by re negotiating his contract even though he already had a four year cast iron one, the new one has a release clause of a meagre 16 million inserted. Kalanic who was our top scorer at the end of a season where he only played half the games because he didn't fit. Givet getting dropped when we had no centre halves because his head was not in the right place. Your best midfielder sat in the stands even though he is deemed not good enough to displace Pedersen and Dunn is now wanted by half the premier league including Arsenal who finished third. Samba who was not for sale in the window only to be sold when it had shut thus having no chance of signing a replacement.
Salgado's shambolic treatment, a guy who has won the european cup was replaced by Bostick central south players brothers player of the year Bradley Orr, not funny enough.
Nelsens iron lung, he'll never kick a ball again as it may kill him goes to spurs, and oh yes spurs.
The spurs fiasco, no shots in 90 minutes yet the bald one says it went according to plan and we played well.
WTF

My, my I'm only just starting and all these naive mistakes they keep making don't look like a deliberate plot to balance the books to me. We were 10 million in debt when they took over and announced a further loss of 9 million. We now have no debt but have been relegated.
It looks to me and everyone else on here with just a few of the facts stated that it was done delibrately with only the sole intention of balancing the books. As Kean has done his job well, he has kept his job.
Do you need any more evidence that is all public record or can you find it for yourself because all us on these message boards are sick and tired of going over old issues for the sake of a few FICKLE FANS.
Do you need any more facts? I'm sure others can fill in a few diguised naive decisions for you because I only stated the choice nuggets there are hundreds more. Some of us on here have the knackers to say it like it is.

That is a nice list of events that may or may not have happened at Ewood now where is the evidence to prove that BRFC were deliberately relegated by those in charge.
It may or not be a fact that Jones had a get out clause in his contract but where is the evidence that it was deliberate and done to get rovers relegated.
You have also omitted to mention the 20m SK has spent on new players

Heres an conspiracy theory for you, BRFC are in a mess because of Bad choice of manager,
Bad choices when spending money on new players
Poor communication
Poor decision making
Not sacking the manger after poor results
Being naive after taking over a premiership club
Getting rid of a successful background staff
Not having a clue what they are doing.
the list is endless

No but that doesn't stack up

because you have evidence that it is deliberate because some how if its deliberate we can all keep the conspiracy theory going.

RUinsane wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

RUinsane wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
'TAKING US DOWN DELIBERATELY'

Interesting comment. After being 6 points clear and then embarking on a calamitously bad run of performances, I actually raised the matter on this site when I questioned the validity of it all.

Some of the substitutions in games during this run beggared belief. Swansea away for example, when we were losing and SK takes off Yak and Junior (I stand to be corrected on JH), even the pundits on Sky were asking why take off one of the PL's top strikers when we needed to score goals. Phil Thompson was asked 'why', he replied 'don't ask me me, I have absolutely no idea'.

There were others but tbh I can't be bothered recounting them. What was going through my mind was 'we will be relegated no matter what'. Spurs away? What was that all about? Dunn comes off and winks at the bench. Job done perhaps? Mission almost accomplished?

Conspiracies? Maybe, but these are the CRAZIEST times ever at Ewood Park. I don't remember my first games but know for sure I saw Tommy Briggs, taking me back to 1956/7 at least and being gutted I couldn't go to the 1958 FA cup semi-final. I am seeped in BRFC, my father was a massive fan. I once went to a Burnley game with my mate and his dad (I was at junior school at the time in Rishton) and my dad didn't speak to me for 3 weeks (dingles got battered by WHU).

Anyway I digress, after many discussions with family and close friends, I and many others will not be going back to Ewood while any of the current incumbents are around.

For the non-believers, the future is BRSIT, BRFCAG, Ian Battersby. The club we knew no longer exists. We will have a future, we will rise again, not to the PL granted.

The sooner these parasites go the better, then the rebuild can begin.

Quality item.

Let us look at the true meaning of 'Deliberate' from the dictionary:

1.Done consciously and intentionally
2. Fully considered; not impulsive
3. Done or acting in a careful and unhurried way.

Blueskies, your spot on about being deliberately being taken down.

I believe the above will bear you out and, is damning to the reign of Venky's.

They have been deliberate alright !

Regards

Arte et labore

and the evidence you have to support this is

Heres the evidence for you, the fickle fan that you are.
You barely escape relegation with the last game of the season. You go on to let the match winner leave on a free with 18 months left on his large contract cause he's been a good boy.
You get rid of the best up and coming centre back in the country by re negotiating his contract even though he already had a four year cast iron one, the new one has a release clause of a meagre 16 million inserted. Kalanic who was our top scorer at the end of a season where he only played half the games because he didn't fit. Givet getting dropped when we had no centre halves because his head was not in the right place. Your best midfielder sat in the stands even though he is deemed not good enough to displace Pedersen and Dunn is now wanted by half the premier league including Arsenal who finished third. Samba who was not for sale in the window only to be sold when it had shut thus having no chance of signing a replacement.
Salgado's shambolic treatment, a guy who has won the european cup was replaced by Bostick central south players brothers player of the year Bradley Orr, not funny enough.
Nelsens iron lung, he'll never kick a ball again as it may kill him goes to spurs, and oh yes spurs.
The spurs fiasco, no shots in 90 minutes yet the bald one says it went according to plan and we played well.
WTF

My, my I'm only just starting and all these naive mistakes they keep making don't look like a deliberate plot to balance the books to me. We were 10 million in debt when they took over and announced a further loss of 9 million. We now have no debt but have been relegated.
It looks to me and everyone else on here with just a few of the facts stated that it was done delibrately with only the sole intention of balancing the books. As Kean has done his job well, he has kept his job.
Do you need any more evidence that is all public record or can you find it for yourself because all us on these message boards are sick and tired of going over old issues for the sake of a few FICKLE FANS.
Do you need any more facts? I'm sure others can fill in a few diguised naive decisions for you because I only stated the choice nuggets there are hundreds more. Some of us on here have the knackers to say it like it is.

That is a nice list of events that may or may not have happened at Ewood now where is the evidence to prove that BRFC were deliberately relegated by those in charge.
It may or not be a fact that Jones had a get out clause in his contract but where is the evidence that it was deliberate and done to get rovers relegated.
You have also omitted to mention the 20m SK has spent on new players

Heres an conspiracy theory for you, BRFC are in a mess because of Bad choice of manager,
Bad choices when spending money on new players
Poor communication
Poor decision making
Not sacking the manger after poor results
Being naive after taking over a premiership club
Getting rid of a successful background staff
Not having a clue what they are doing.
the list is endless

No but that doesn't stack up

because you have evidence that it is deliberate because some how if its deliberate we can all keep the conspiracy theory going.

Please read pirates of the caribbean version above, you may be able to visualise it. If not I will do a comic strip presents for you and DaBoss and post it online.
Question should I do it in paperflick cartoon style so you can take in semi moving images? would that work for you?

fickle fan wrote:

RUinsane wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

RUinsane wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
'TAKING US DOWN DELIBERATELY'

Interesting comment. After being 6 points clear and then embarking on a calamitously bad run of performances, I actually raised the matter on this site when I questioned the validity of it all.

Some of the substitutions in games during this run beggared belief. Swansea away for example, when we were losing and SK takes off Yak and Junior (I stand to be corrected on JH), even the pundits on Sky were asking why take off one of the PL's top strikers when we needed to score goals. Phil Thompson was asked 'why', he replied 'don't ask me me, I have absolutely no idea'.

There were others but tbh I can't be bothered recounting them. What was going through my mind was 'we will be relegated no matter what'. Spurs away? What was that all about? Dunn comes off and winks at the bench. Job done perhaps? Mission almost accomplished?

Conspiracies? Maybe, but these are the CRAZIEST times ever at Ewood Park. I don't remember my first games but know for sure I saw Tommy Briggs, taking me back to 1956/7 at least and being gutted I couldn't go to the 1958 FA cup semi-final. I am seeped in BRFC, my father was a massive fan. I once went to a Burnley game with my mate and his dad (I was at junior school at the time in Rishton) and my dad didn't speak to me for 3 weeks (dingles got battered by WHU).

Anyway I digress, after many discussions with family and close friends, I and many others will not be going back to Ewood while any of the current incumbents are around.

For the non-believers, the future is BRSIT, BRFCAG, Ian Battersby. The club we knew no longer exists. We will have a future, we will rise again, not to the PL granted.

The sooner these parasites go the better, then the rebuild can begin.

Quality item.

Let us look at the true meaning of 'Deliberate' from the dictionary:

1.Done consciously and intentionally
2. Fully considered; not impulsive
3. Done or acting in a careful and unhurried way.

Blueskies, your spot on about being deliberately being taken down.

I believe the above will bear you out and, is damning to the reign of Venky's.

They have been deliberate alright !

Regards

Arte et labore

and the evidence you have to support this is

Heres the evidence for you, the fickle fan that you are.
You barely escape relegation with the last game of the season. You go on to let the match winner leave on a free with 18 months left on his large contract cause he's been a good boy.
You get rid of the best up and coming centre back in the country by re negotiating his contract even though he already had a four year cast iron one, the new one has a release clause of a meagre 16 million inserted. Kalanic who was our top scorer at the end of a season where he only played half the games because he didn't fit. Givet getting dropped when we had no centre halves because his head was not in the right place. Your best midfielder sat in the stands even though he is deemed not good enough to displace Pedersen and Dunn is now wanted by half the premier league including Arsenal who finished third. Samba who was not for sale in the window only to be sold when it had shut thus having no chance of signing a replacement.
Salgado's shambolic treatment, a guy who has won the european cup was replaced by Bostick central south players brothers player of the year Bradley Orr, not funny enough.
Nelsens iron lung, he'll never kick a ball again as it may kill him goes to spurs, and oh yes spurs.
The spurs fiasco, no shots in 90 minutes yet the bald one says it went according to plan and we played well.
WTF

My, my I'm only just starting and all these naive mistakes they keep making don't look like a deliberate plot to balance the books to me. We were 10 million in debt when they took over and announced a further loss of 9 million. We now have no debt but have been relegated.
It looks to me and everyone else on here with just a few of the facts stated that it was done delibrately with only the sole intention of balancing the books. As Kean has done his job well, he has kept his job.
Do you need any more evidence that is all public record or can you find it for yourself because all us on these message boards are sick and tired of going over old issues for the sake of a few FICKLE FANS.
Do you need any more facts? I'm sure others can fill in a few diguised naive decisions for you because I only stated the choice nuggets there are hundreds more. Some of us on here have the knackers to say it like it is.

That is a nice list of events that may or may not have happened at Ewood now where is the evidence to prove that BRFC were deliberately relegated by those in charge.
It may or not be a fact that Jones had a get out clause in his contract but where is the evidence that it was deliberate and done to get rovers relegated.
You have also omitted to mention the 20m SK has spent on new players

Heres an conspiracy theory for you, BRFC are in a mess because of Bad choice of manager,
Bad choices when spending money on new players
Poor communication
Poor decision making
Not sacking the manger after poor results
Being naive after taking over a premiership club
Getting rid of a successful background staff
Not having a clue what they are doing.
the list is endless

No but that doesn't stack up

because you have evidence that it is deliberate because some how if its deliberate we can all keep the conspiracy theory going.

Please read pirates of the caribbean version above, you may be able to visualise it. If not I will do a comic strip presents for you and DaBoss and post it online.
Question should I do it in paperflick cartoon style so you can take in semi moving images? would that work for you?

No keep it simple just stop going round the houses playing silly games and just

"PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE"

any one can write dribble to hide behind so here is your big chance


but hey no you wont and cant do that . But you can write a load of c*** which you think looks good and if that doesnt work try the usual
call me a dingle
not a real fan,

then get the old chestnut out and tell me how long you have supported rovers

not impressed

just show the evidence that BRFC where deliberately relegated

DaBoss wrote:

RUinsane wrote:

DaBoss wrote:
"RUinsane says...
1:41pm Sun 17 Jun 12

Does it matter if I am new or not, you obviously infuriated me that much by agreeing with an obsessed turd that I felt the need to voice my opinion.
I care not for your offer of mass debating as you did with BB4 claret, it was all a bit too electric 6 for me.
Sensible debate I can handle but I will not have an obsessed turd posting half an hour compositions of why we should accept our new found home. I don't accept that.We have been taken there. It was not through lack of luck and it is not our rightful place as you were intimating with the turd."

I'm going to assume you're an answer to your own username as you've clearly got me mixed up with someone else. Unless you care to point to the article and comments where I made an "offer of mass debating as you did with BB4 claret", I'll just put this down to yet more "evidence" out of the arse of the loyal masses (see sheep) that feel no need for facts when make believe is so much fun.

Look, BB4 isn't here, so you can't rub eachothers posts Electric 6 style. You were agreeing with a turd, sorry it just doesn't compute in my head.

you really are a simple fool aren't you. Bless.

I guess the idea of serving up a fake post I didnt write was too much for even your fairytale brain.. And you mock Kean.. peas in a pod for delusion.

And Harwoodstblue, if it stops the incessant cackle of conspiracy loving "Rovers As Long As It Agrees With My Viewpoint Who Needs Facts When Chicken Evidence Will Do" brigade.. it will be most welcome.

Harwoodstblue wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

RUinsane wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

RUinsane wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
'TAKING US DOWN DELIBERATELY'

Interesting comment. After being 6 points clear and then embarking on a calamitously bad run of performances, I actually raised the matter on this site when I questioned the validity of it all.

Some of the substitutions in games during this run beggared belief. Swansea away for example, when we were losing and SK takes off Yak and Junior (I stand to be corrected on JH), even the pundits on Sky were asking why take off one of the PL's top strikers when we needed to score goals. Phil Thompson was asked 'why', he replied 'don't ask me me, I have absolutely no idea'.

There were others but tbh I can't be bothered recounting them. What was going through my mind was 'we will be relegated no matter what'. Spurs away? What was that all about? Dunn comes off and winks at the bench. Job done perhaps? Mission almost accomplished?

Conspiracies? Maybe, but these are the CRAZIEST times ever at Ewood Park. I don't remember my first games but know for sure I saw Tommy Briggs, taking me back to 1956/7 at least and being gutted I couldn't go to the 1958 FA cup semi-final. I am seeped in BRFC, my father was a massive fan. I once went to a Burnley game with my mate and his dad (I was at junior school at the time in Rishton) and my dad didn't speak to me for 3 weeks (dingles got battered by WHU).

Anyway I digress, after many discussions with family and close friends, I and many others will not be going back to Ewood while any of the current incumbents are around.

For the non-believers, the future is BRSIT, BRFCAG, Ian Battersby. The club we knew no longer exists. We will have a future, we will rise again, not to the PL granted.

The sooner these parasites go the better, then the rebuild can begin.

Quality item.

Let us look at the true meaning of 'Deliberate' from the dictionary:

1.Done consciously and intentionally
2. Fully considered; not impulsive
3. Done or acting in a careful and unhurried way.

Blueskies, your spot on about being deliberately being taken down.

I believe the above will bear you out and, is damning to the reign of Venky's.

They have been deliberate alright !

Regards

Arte et labore

and the evidence you have to support this is

Heres the evidence for you, the fickle fan that you are.
You barely escape relegation with the last game of the season. You go on to let the match winner leave on a free with 18 months left on his large contract cause he's been a good boy.
You get rid of the best up and coming centre back in the country by re negotiating his contract even though he already had a four year cast iron one, the new one has a release clause of a meagre 16 million inserted. Kalanic who was our top scorer at the end of a season where he only played half the games because he didn't fit. Givet getting dropped when we had no centre halves because his head was not in the right place. Your best midfielder sat in the stands even though he is deemed not good enough to displace Pedersen and Dunn is now wanted by half the premier league including Arsenal who finished third. Samba who was not for sale in the window only to be sold when it had shut thus having no chance of signing a replacement.
Salgado's shambolic treatment, a guy who has won the european cup was replaced by Bostick central south players brothers player of the year Bradley Orr, not funny enough.
Nelsens iron lung, he'll never kick a ball again as it may kill him goes to spurs, and oh yes spurs.
The spurs fiasco, no shots in 90 minutes yet the bald one says it went according to plan and we played well.
WTF

My, my I'm only just starting and all these naive mistakes they keep making don't look like a deliberate plot to balance the books to me. We were 10 million in debt when they took over and announced a further loss of 9 million. We now have no debt but have been relegated.
It looks to me and everyone else on here with just a few of the facts stated that it was done delibrately with only the sole intention of balancing the books. As Kean has done his job well, he has kept his job.
Do you need any more evidence that is all public record or can you find it for yourself because all us on these message boards are sick and tired of going over old issues for the sake of a few FICKLE FANS.
Do you need any more facts? I'm sure others can fill in a few diguised naive decisions for you because I only stated the choice nuggets there are hundreds more. Some of us on here have the knackers to say it like it is.

That is a nice list of events that may or may not have happened at Ewood now where is the evidence to prove that BRFC were deliberately relegated by those in charge.
It may or not be a fact that Jones had a get out clause in his contract but where is the evidence that it was deliberate and done to get rovers relegated.
You have also omitted to mention the 20m SK has spent on new players

Heres an conspiracy theory for you, BRFC are in a mess because of Bad choice of manager,
Bad choices when spending money on new players
Poor communication
Poor decision making
Not sacking the manger after poor results
Being naive after taking over a premiership club
Getting rid of a successful background staff
Not having a clue what they are doing.
the list is endless

No but that doesn't stack up

because you have evidence that it is deliberate because some how if its deliberate we can all keep the conspiracy theory going.

Please read pirates of the caribbean version above, you may be able to visualise it. If not I will do a comic strip presents for you and DaBoss and post it online.
Question should I do it in paperflick cartoon style so you can take in semi moving images? would that work for you?

No keep it simple just stop going round the houses playing silly games and just

"PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE"

any one can write dribble to hide behind so here is your big chance


but hey no you wont and cant do that . But you can write a load of c*** which you think looks good and if that doesnt work try the usual
call me a dingle
not a real fan,

then get the old chestnut out and tell me how long you have supported rovers

not impressed

just show the evidence that BRFC where deliberately relegated

The evidence will come out. There's no need to justify anything to anyone on here. So all you need to do is wait.

fickle fan wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

RUinsane wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

RUinsane wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
'TAKING US DOWN DELIBERATELY'

Interesting comment. After being 6 points clear and then embarking on a calamitously bad run of performances, I actually raised the matter on this site when I questioned the validity of it all.

Some of the substitutions in games during this run beggared belief. Swansea away for example, when we were losing and SK takes off Yak and Junior (I stand to be corrected on JH), even the pundits on Sky were asking why take off one of the PL's top strikers when we needed to score goals. Phil Thompson was asked 'why', he replied 'don't ask me me, I have absolutely no idea'.

There were others but tbh I can't be bothered recounting them. What was going through my mind was 'we will be relegated no matter what'. Spurs away? What was that all about? Dunn comes off and winks at the bench. Job done perhaps? Mission almost accomplished?

Conspiracies? Maybe, but these are the CRAZIEST times ever at Ewood Park. I don't remember my first games but know for sure I saw Tommy Briggs, taking me back to 1956/7 at least and being gutted I couldn't go to the 1958 FA cup semi-final. I am seeped in BRFC, my father was a massive fan. I once went to a Burnley game with my mate and his dad (I was at junior school at the time in Rishton) and my dad didn't speak to me for 3 weeks (dingles got battered by WHU).

Anyway I digress, after many discussions with family and close friends, I and many others will not be going back to Ewood while any of the current incumbents are around.

For the non-believers, the future is BRSIT, BRFCAG, Ian Battersby. The club we knew no longer exists. We will have a future, we will rise again, not to the PL granted.

The sooner these parasites go the better, then the rebuild can begin.

Quality item.

Let us look at the true meaning of 'Deliberate' from the dictionary:

1.Done consciously and intentionally
2. Fully considered; not impulsive
3. Done or acting in a careful and unhurried way.

Blueskies, your spot on about being deliberately being taken down.

I believe the above will bear you out and, is damning to the reign of Venky's.

They have been deliberate alright !

Regards

Arte et labore

and the evidence you have to support this is

Heres the evidence for you, the fickle fan that you are.
You barely escape relegation with the last game of the season. You go on to let the match winner leave on a free with 18 months left on his large contract cause he's been a good boy.
You get rid of the best up and coming centre back in the country by re negotiating his contract even though he already had a four year cast iron one, the new one has a release clause of a meagre 16 million inserted. Kalanic who was our top scorer at the end of a season where he only played half the games because he didn't fit. Givet getting dropped when we had no centre halves because his head was not in the right place. Your best midfielder sat in the stands even though he is deemed not good enough to displace Pedersen and Dunn is now wanted by half the premier league including Arsenal who finished third. Samba who was not for sale in the window only to be sold when it had shut thus having no chance of signing a replacement.
Salgado's shambolic treatment, a guy who has won the european cup was replaced by Bostick central south players brothers player of the year Bradley Orr, not funny enough.
Nelsens iron lung, he'll never kick a ball again as it may kill him goes to spurs, and oh yes spurs.
The spurs fiasco, no shots in 90 minutes yet the bald one says it went according to plan and we played well.
WTF

My, my I'm only just starting and all these naive mistakes they keep making don't look like a deliberate plot to balance the books to me. We were 10 million in debt when they took over and announced a further loss of 9 million. We now have no debt but have been relegated.
It looks to me and everyone else on here with just a few of the facts stated that it was done delibrately with only the sole intention of balancing the books. As Kean has done his job well, he has kept his job.
Do you need any more evidence that is all public record or can you find it for yourself because all us on these message boards are sick and tired of going over old issues for the sake of a few FICKLE FANS.
Do you need any more facts? I'm sure others can fill in a few diguised naive decisions for you because I only stated the choice nuggets there are hundreds more. Some of us on here have the knackers to say it like it is.

That is a nice list of events that may or may not have happened at Ewood now where is the evidence to prove that BRFC were deliberately relegated by those in charge.
It may or not be a fact that Jones had a get out clause in his contract but where is the evidence that it was deliberate and done to get rovers relegated.
You have also omitted to mention the 20m SK has spent on new players

Heres an conspiracy theory for you, BRFC are in a mess because of Bad choice of manager,
Bad choices when spending money on new players
Poor communication
Poor decision making
Not sacking the manger after poor results
Being naive after taking over a premiership club
Getting rid of a successful background staff
Not having a clue what they are doing.
the list is endless

No but that doesn't stack up

because you have evidence that it is deliberate because some how if its deliberate we can all keep the conspiracy theory going.

Please read pirates of the caribbean version above, you may be able to visualise it. If not I will do a comic strip presents for you and DaBoss and post it online.
Question should I do it in paperflick cartoon style so you can take in semi moving images? would that work for you?

No keep it simple just stop going round the houses playing silly games and just

"PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE"

any one can write dribble to hide behind so here is your big chance


but hey no you wont and cant do that . But you can write a load of c*** which you think looks good and if that doesnt work try the usual
call me a dingle
not a real fan,

then get the old chestnut out and tell me how long you have supported rovers

not impressed

just show the evidence that BRFC where deliberately relegated

The evidence will come out. There's no need to justify anything to anyone on here. So all you need to do is wait.

so you have the evidence and you are not telling anyone or you dont really know if there is any evidence
or you really dont have a clue .

just a thought if you dont know there is any evidence how do you know it will come out, so if you know it will come out you must know there is evidence so why wait just let the world know what the evidence is because the season starts in a few weeks

RUinsane wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

RUinsane wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

RUinsane wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:
'TAKING US DOWN DELIBERATELY'

Interesting comment. After being 6 points clear and then embarking on a calamitously bad run of performances, I actually raised the matter on this site when I questioned the validity of it all.

Some of the substitutions in games during this run beggared belief. Swansea away for example, when we were losing and SK takes off Yak and Junior (I stand to be corrected on JH), even the pundits on Sky were asking why take off one of the PL's top strikers when we needed to score goals. Phil Thompson was asked 'why', he replied 'don't ask me me, I have absolutely no idea'.

There were others but tbh I can't be bothered recounting them. What was going through my mind was 'we will be relegated no matter what'. Spurs away? What was that all about? Dunn comes off and winks at the bench. Job done perhaps? Mission almost accomplished?

Conspiracies? Maybe, but these are the CRAZIEST times ever at Ewood Park. I don't remember my first games but know for sure I saw Tommy Briggs, taking me back to 1956/7 at least and being gutted I couldn't go to the 1958 FA cup semi-final. I am seeped in BRFC, my father was a massive fan. I once went to a Burnley game with my mate and his dad (I was at junior school at the time in Rishton) and my dad didn't speak to me for 3 weeks (dingles got battered by WHU).

Anyway I digress, after many discussions with family and close friends, I and many others will not be going back to Ewood while any of the current incumbents are around.

For the non-believers, the future is BRSIT, BRFCAG, Ian Battersby. The club we knew no longer exists. We will have a future, we will rise again, not to the PL granted.

The sooner these parasites go the better, then the rebuild can begin.

Quality item.

Let us look at the true meaning of 'Deliberate' from the dictionary:

1.Done consciously and intentionally
2. Fully considered; not impulsive
3. Done or acting in a careful and unhurried way.

Blueskies, your spot on about being deliberately being taken down.

I believe the above will bear you out and, is damning to the reign of Venky's.

They have been deliberate alright !

Regards

Arte et labore

and the evidence you have to support this is

Heres the evidence for you, the fickle fan that you are.
You barely escape relegation with the last game of the season. You go on to let the match winner leave on a free with 18 months left on his large contract cause he's been a good boy.
You get rid of the best up and coming centre back in the country by re negotiating his contract even though he already had a four year cast iron one, the new one has a release clause of a meagre 16 million inserted. Kalanic who was our top scorer at the end of a season where he only played half the games because he didn't fit. Givet getting dropped when we had no centre halves because his head was not in the right place. Your best midfielder sat in the stands even though he is deemed not good enough to displace Pedersen and Dunn is now wanted by half the premier league including Arsenal who finished third. Samba who was not for sale in the window only to be sold when it had shut thus having no chance of signing a replacement.
Salgado's shambolic treatment, a guy who has won the european cup was replaced by Bostick central south players brothers player of the year Bradley Orr, not funny enough.
Nelsens iron lung, he'll never kick a ball again as it may kill him goes to spurs, and oh yes spurs.
The spurs fiasco, no shots in 90 minutes yet the bald one says it went according to plan and we played well.
WTF

My, my I'm only just starting and all these naive mistakes they keep making don't look like a deliberate plot to balance the books to me. We were 10 million in debt when they took over and announced a further loss of 9 million. We now have no debt but have been relegated.
It looks to me and everyone else on here with just a few of the facts stated that it was done delibrately with only the sole intention of balancing the books. As Kean has done his job well, he has kept his job.
Do you need any more evidence that is all public record or can you find it for yourself because all us on these message boards are sick and tired of going over old issues for the sake of a few FICKLE FANS.
Do you need any more facts? I'm sure others can fill in a few diguised naive decisions for you because I only stated the choice nuggets there are hundreds more. Some of us on here have the knackers to say it like it is.

That is a nice list of events that may or may not have happened at Ewood now where is the evidence to prove that BRFC were deliberately relegated by those in charge.
It may or not be a fact that Jones had a get out clause in his contract but where is the evidence that it was deliberate and done to get rovers relegated.
You have also omitted to mention the 20m SK has spent on new players

Heres an conspiracy theory for you, BRFC are in a mess because of Bad choice of manager,
Bad choices when spending money on new players
Poor communication
Poor decision making
Not sacking the manger after poor results
Being naive after taking over a premiership club
Getting rid of a successful background staff
Not having a clue what they are doing.
the list is endless

No but that doesn't stack up

because you have evidence that it is deliberate because some how if its deliberate we can all keep the conspiracy theory going.

Please read pirates of the caribbean version above, you may be able to visualise it. If not I will do a comic strip presents for you and DaBoss and post it online.
Question should I do it in paperflick cartoon style so you can take in semi moving images? would that work for you?

No keep it simple just stop going round the houses playing silly games and just

"PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE"

any one can write dribble to hide behind so here is your big chance


but hey no you wont and cant do that . But you can write a load of c*** which you think looks good and if that doesnt work try the usual
call me a dingle
not a real fan,

then get the old chestnut out and tell me how long you have supported rovers

not impressed

just show the evidence that BRFC where deliberately relegated

The evidence will come out. There's no need to justify anything to anyone on here. So all you need to do is wait.

so you have the evidence and you are not telling anyone or you dont really know if there is any evidence
or you really dont have a clue .

just a thought if you dont know there is any evidence how do you know it will come out, so if you know it will come out you must know there is evidence so why wait just let the world know what the evidence is because the season starts in a few weeks

Woah there sonny, I know you're twagging school tomorrow but its still way past your bedtime. Now off to bed with you.

Stone Island. wrote:
@ Fickle Fan. I think i'm speaking for the rest of this forum here: Why don't you just F*** OFF back on to your own pages! You are certainly no Rovers fan. You are either a B'STARD fan, or a complete TOOL. Probably both. Is that your sister calling? You filthy swine!

RUinsane wrote:

DaBoss wrote:

RUinsane wrote:

DaBoss wrote:
"RUinsane says...
1:41pm Sun 17 Jun 12

Does it matter if I am new or not, you obviously infuriated me that much by agreeing with an obsessed turd that I felt the need to voice my opinion.
I care not for your offer of mass debating as you did with BB4 claret, it was all a bit too electric 6 for me.
Sensible debate I can handle but I will not have an obsessed turd posting half an hour compositions of why we should accept our new found home. I don't accept that.We have been taken there. It was not through lack of luck and it is not our rightful place as you were intimating with the turd."

I'm going to assume you're an answer to your own username as you've clearly got me mixed up with someone else. Unless you care to point to the article and comments where I made an "offer of mass debating as you did with BB4 claret", I'll just put this down to yet more "evidence" out of the arse of the loyal masses (see sheep) that feel no need for facts when make believe is so much fun.

Look, BB4 isn't here, so you can't rub eachothers posts Electric 6 style. You were agreeing with a turd, sorry it just doesn't compute in my head.

you really are a simple fool aren't you. Bless.

I guess the idea of serving up a fake post I didnt write was too much for even your fairytale brain.. And you mock Kean.. peas in a pod for delusion.

And Harwoodstblue, if it stops the incessant cackle of conspiracy loving "Rovers As Long As It Agrees With My Viewpoint Who Needs Facts When Chicken Evidence Will Do" brigade.. it will be most welcome.

Firstly let me apologise to you DaBoss, you are correct. It wasn't you it was someone else sucking up to the BB4 posts, I have been back and checked and want to take this opportunity to say I'm sorry. It was samsno2millfan or something like that.
I have also come to the the conclusion that fickle fan is indeed a p1sstaker, calling us all fickle fans with his username and just going round and round. I suspect it is a dingle fooking around.
The facts are history though, we were taken down in order to cut costs, Kind of backfired now they announce they get an extra 30 million in the PL.
What do you think?

DaBoss wrote:

RUinsane wrote:

DaBoss wrote:

RUinsane wrote:

DaBoss wrote:
"RUinsane says...
1:41pm Sun 17 Jun 12

Does it matter if I am new or not, you obviously infuriated me that much by agreeing with an obsessed turd that I felt the need to voice my opinion.
I care not for your offer of mass debating as you did with BB4 claret, it was all a bit too electric 6 for me.
Sensible debate I can handle but I will not have an obsessed turd posting half an hour compositions of why we should accept our new found home. I don't accept that.We have been taken there. It was not through lack of luck and it is not our rightful place as you were intimating with the turd."

I'm going to assume you're an answer to your own username as you've clearly got me mixed up with someone else. Unless you care to point to the article and comments where I made an "offer of mass debating as you did with BB4 claret", I'll just put this down to yet more "evidence" out of the arse of the loyal masses (see sheep) that feel no need for facts when make believe is so much fun.

Look, BB4 isn't here, so you can't rub eachothers posts Electric 6 style. You were agreeing with a turd, sorry it just doesn't compute in my head.

you really are a simple fool aren't you. Bless.

I guess the idea of serving up a fake post I didnt write was too much for even your fairytale brain.. And you mock Kean.. peas in a pod for delusion.

And Harwoodstblue, if it stops the incessant cackle of conspiracy loving "Rovers As Long As It Agrees With My Viewpoint Who Needs Facts When Chicken Evidence Will Do" brigade.. it will be most welcome.

Firstly let me apologise to you DaBoss, you are correct. It wasn't you it was someone else sucking up to the BB4 posts, I have been back and checked and want to take this opportunity to say I'm sorry. It was samsno2millfan or something like that.
I have also come to the the conclusion that fickle fan is indeed a p1sstaker, calling us all fickle fans with his username and just going round and round. I suspect it is a dingle fooking around.
The facts are history though, we were taken down in order to cut costs, Kind of backfired now they announce they get an extra 30 million in the PL.
What do you think?

Apology accepted, no problems RUInsane, I did wonder why I was being hit with the personal attacks all of a sudden.

"The facts are history though, we were taken down in order to cut costs, Kind of backfired now they announce they get an extra 30 million in the PL. What do you think?"

I don't believe it was deliberate, definitely not by Venky's, its possible from the other parties, as Venky's already admitted they had no idea we could be taken down, and that's probably one of the most damning and damaging admissions they've made so far along with the confusion, that points to one thing and one thing alone. Rank incompetence.

There may or may not be evidence of deliberate sabotage, but my view is until such evidence is uncovered, I'm not buying into the conspiracy theories for my enjoyment as some seems to do on here. I prefer to stay rooted in reality, and the reality is, Venky's are here for the long haul, so we either get used to it and do what we have to get them to get rid of Kean and start listening to those that understand and know what needs to be done, or turn our backs to Rovers and go and watch non-league games instead of posting the same old conspiracy theories on here that only serve as ammunition for ridicule for the sad lurkers on here that are Dingles.

DaBoss wrote:

RUinsane wrote:

DaBoss wrote:

RUinsane wrote:

DaBoss wrote:
"RUinsane says...
1:41pm Sun 17 Jun 12

Does it matter if I am new or not, you obviously infuriated me that much by agreeing with an obsessed turd that I felt the need to voice my opinion.
I care not for your offer of mass debating as you did with BB4 claret, it was all a bit too electric 6 for me.
Sensible debate I can handle but I will not have an obsessed turd posting half an hour compositions of why we should accept our new found home. I don't accept that.We have been taken there. It was not through lack of luck and it is not our rightful place as you were intimating with the turd."

I'm going to assume you're an answer to your own username as you've clearly got me mixed up with someone else. Unless you care to point to the article and comments where I made an "offer of mass debating as you did with BB4 claret", I'll just put this down to yet more "evidence" out of the arse of the loyal masses (see sheep) that feel no need for facts when make believe is so much fun.

Look, BB4 isn't here, so you can't rub eachothers posts Electric 6 style. You were agreeing with a turd, sorry it just doesn't compute in my head.

you really are a simple fool aren't you. Bless.

I guess the idea of serving up a fake post I didnt write was too much for even your fairytale brain.. And you mock Kean.. peas in a pod for delusion.

And Harwoodstblue, if it stops the incessant cackle of conspiracy loving "Rovers As Long As It Agrees With My Viewpoint Who Needs Facts When Chicken Evidence Will Do" brigade.. it will be most welcome.

Firstly let me apologise to you DaBoss, you are correct. It wasn't you it was someone else sucking up to the BB4 posts, I have been back and checked and want to take this opportunity to say I'm sorry. It was samsno2millfan or something like that.
I have also come to the the conclusion that fickle fan is indeed a p1sstaker, calling us all fickle fans with his username and just going round and round. I suspect it is a dingle fooking around.
The facts are history though, we were taken down in order to cut costs, Kind of backfired now they announce they get an extra 30 million in the PL.
What do you think?

Apology accepted, no problems RUInsane, I did wonder why I was being hit with the personal attacks all of a sudden.

"The facts are history though, we were taken down in order to cut costs, Kind of backfired now they announce they get an extra 30 million in the PL. What do you think?"

I don't believe it was deliberate, definitely not by Venky's, its possible from the other parties, as Venky's already admitted they had no idea we could be taken down, and that's probably one of the most damning and damaging admissions they've made so far along with the confusion, that points to one thing and one thing alone. Rank incompetence.

There may or may not be evidence of deliberate sabotage, but my view is until such evidence is uncovered, I'm not buying into the conspiracy theories for my enjoyment as some seems to do on here. I prefer to stay rooted in reality, and the reality is, Venky's are here for the long haul, so we either get used to it and do what we have to get them to get rid of Kean and start listening to those that understand and know what needs to be done, or turn our backs to Rovers and go and watch non-league games instead of posting the same old conspiracy theories on here that only serve as ammunition for ridicule for the sad lurkers on here that are Dingles.

fickle fan wrote:

DaBoss wrote:

RUinsane wrote:

DaBoss wrote:

RUinsane wrote:

DaBoss wrote:
"RUinsane says...
1:41pm Sun 17 Jun 12

Does it matter if I am new or not, you obviously infuriated me that much by agreeing with an obsessed turd that I felt the need to voice my opinion.
I care not for your offer of mass debating as you did with BB4 claret, it was all a bit too electric 6 for me.
Sensible debate I can handle but I will not have an obsessed turd posting half an hour compositions of why we should accept our new found home. I don't accept that.We have been taken there. It was not through lack of luck and it is not our rightful place as you were intimating with the turd."

I'm going to assume you're an answer to your own username as you've clearly got me mixed up with someone else. Unless you care to point to the article and comments where I made an "offer of mass debating as you did with BB4 claret", I'll just put this down to yet more "evidence" out of the arse of the loyal masses (see sheep) that feel no need for facts when make believe is so much fun.

Look, BB4 isn't here, so you can't rub eachothers posts Electric 6 style. You were agreeing with a turd, sorry it just doesn't compute in my head.

you really are a simple fool aren't you. Bless.

I guess the idea of serving up a fake post I didnt write was too much for even your fairytale brain.. And you mock Kean.. peas in a pod for delusion.

And Harwoodstblue, if it stops the incessant cackle of conspiracy loving "Rovers As Long As It Agrees With My Viewpoint Who Needs Facts When Chicken Evidence Will Do" brigade.. it will be most welcome.

Firstly let me apologise to you DaBoss, you are correct. It wasn't you it was someone else sucking up to the BB4 posts, I have been back and checked and want to take this opportunity to say I'm sorry. It was samsno2millfan or something like that.
I have also come to the the conclusion that fickle fan is indeed a p1sstaker, calling us all fickle fans with his username and just going round and round. I suspect it is a dingle fooking around.
The facts are history though, we were taken down in order to cut costs, Kind of backfired now they announce they get an extra 30 million in the PL.
What do you think?

Apology accepted, no problems RUInsane, I did wonder why I was being hit with the personal attacks all of a sudden.

"The facts are history though, we were taken down in order to cut costs, Kind of backfired now they announce they get an extra 30 million in the PL. What do you think?"

I don't believe it was deliberate, definitely not by Venky's, its possible from the other parties, as Venky's already admitted they had no idea we could be taken down, and that's probably one of the most damning and damaging admissions they've made so far along with the confusion, that points to one thing and one thing alone. Rank incompetence.

There may or may not be evidence of deliberate sabotage, but my view is until such evidence is uncovered, I'm not buying into the conspiracy theories for my enjoyment as some seems to do on here. I prefer to stay rooted in reality, and the reality is, Venky's are here for the long haul, so we either get used to it and do what we have to get them to get rid of Kean and start listening to those that understand and know what needs to be done, or turn our backs to Rovers and go and watch non-league games instead of posting the same old conspiracy theories on here that only serve as ammunition for ridicule for the sad lurkers on here that are Dingles.

Glad you like my name, but to accuse me of going round and round is your way of avoiding reality and following conspiracy questions .
I dont go round and round I posed a question to you which you dont or cant provide the answer to, so in your world I must be a dingle.
I care passionately about Rovers but I wont blindly follow fools.

Now I will pose a question to you which I feel could possibly damage Rovers and would play into the hands of the dingles.


Could the action being taken through the FA result in Rovers having points deducted

Now before you answer the question look back through the above posts and you will see that the persons who are taking the action have declined to comment. Which I feel just like what is happening with the venkys ignorant and very poor communication, at least the venkys say no comment.
Now before you say anything about a points deduction being right or wrong I feel that I have a right to know the range of possible outcomes of any action I might support.
By communicating to fans what possible outcomes there are would not be giving any clues to Venkys etc.
will venkys likely still own the club at the end of the action?.

so dont go round and round or accuse me of being a dingle answer the question

RUinsane wrote:

fickle fan wrote:

DaBoss wrote:

RUinsane wrote:

DaBoss wrote:

RUinsane wrote:

DaBoss wrote:
"RUinsane says...
1:41pm Sun 17 Jun 12

Does it matter if I am new or not, you obviously infuriated me that much by agreeing with an obsessed turd that I felt the need to voice my opinion.
I care not for your offer of mass debating as you did with BB4 claret, it was all a bit too electric 6 for me.
Sensible debate I can handle but I will not have an obsessed turd posting half an hour compositions of why we should accept our new found home. I don't accept that.We have been taken there. It was not through lack of luck and it is not our rightful place as you were intimating with the turd."

I'm going to assume you're an answer to your own username as you've clearly got me mixed up with someone else. Unless you care to point to the article and comments where I made an "offer of mass debating as you did with BB4 claret", I'll just put this down to yet more "evidence" out of the arse of the loyal masses (see sheep) that feel no need for facts when make believe is so much fun.

Look, BB4 isn't here, so you can't rub eachothers posts Electric 6 style. You were agreeing with a turd, sorry it just doesn't compute in my head.

you really are a simple fool aren't you. Bless.

I guess the idea of serving up a fake post I didnt write was too much for even your fairytale brain.. And you mock Kean.. peas in a pod for delusion.

And Harwoodstblue, if it stops the incessant cackle of conspiracy loving "Rovers As Long As It Agrees With My Viewpoint Who Needs Facts When Chicken Evidence Will Do" brigade.. it will be most welcome.

Firstly let me apologise to you DaBoss, you are correct. It wasn't you it was someone else sucking up to the BB4 posts, I have been back and checked and want to take this opportunity to say I'm sorry. It was samsno2millfan or something like that.
I have also come to the the conclusion that fickle fan is indeed a p1sstaker, calling us all fickle fans with his username and just going round and round. I suspect it is a dingle fooking around.
The facts are history though, we were taken down in order to cut costs, Kind of backfired now they announce they get an extra 30 million in the PL.
What do you think?

Apology accepted, no problems RUInsane, I did wonder why I was being hit with the personal attacks all of a sudden.

"The facts are history though, we were taken down in order to cut costs, Kind of backfired now they announce they get an extra 30 million in the PL. What do you think?"

I don't believe it was deliberate, definitely not by Venky's, its possible from the other parties, as Venky's already admitted they had no idea we could be taken down, and that's probably one of the most damning and damaging admissions they've made so far along with the confusion, that points to one thing and one thing alone. Rank incompetence.

There may or may not be evidence of deliberate sabotage, but my view is until such evidence is uncovered, I'm not buying into the conspiracy theories for my enjoyment as some seems to do on here. I prefer to stay rooted in reality, and the reality is, Venky's are here for the long haul, so we either get used to it and do what we have to get them to get rid of Kean and start listening to those that understand and know what needs to be done, or turn our backs to Rovers and go and watch non-league games instead of posting the same old conspiracy theories on here that only serve as ammunition for ridicule for the sad lurkers on here that are Dingles.

Glad you like my name, but to accuse me of going round and round is your way of avoiding reality and following conspiracy questions .
I dont go round and round I posed a question to you which you dont or cant provide the answer to, so in your world I must be a dingle.
I care passionately about Rovers but I wont blindly follow fools.

Now I will pose a question to you which I feel could possibly damage Rovers and would play into the hands of the dingles.


Could the action being taken through the FA result in Rovers having points deducted

Now before you answer the question look back through the above posts and you will see that the persons who are taking the action have declined to comment. Which I feel just like what is happening with the venkys ignorant and very poor communication, at least the venkys say no comment.
Now before you say anything about a points deduction being right or wrong I feel that I have a right to know the range of possible outcomes of any action I might support.
By communicating to fans what possible outcomes there are would not be giving any clues to Venkys etc.
will venkys likely still own the club at the end of the action?.

so dont go round and round or accuse me of being a dingle answer the question

Yes a 10 point deduction for financial missdealings is the norm, or I remember when swindon were relegated two divisions when glenn hoddle was manager for payments to players. So if they can prove irregular payments to agents, expect the same punishment a two division relegation.