Mystery surrounds the future of Blackburn Rovers boss Kean (From Lancashire Telegraph)

If he retains ANY position, the cancer will remain and will kill our club. If he stays, we must step up the pressure because no self respecting manager or executive will work with him anywhere near them.
RTID
Arte et Labore

**** **** news, im gutted but not at all surprised

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If this is true, someone should let Desai have it with both barrels.

It gets worse, how many fans are undecided about their purchase of season tickets, I suspect more than have already committed their well earned funds. I for one will not buy until a firm decision is announced but if the management of the Club is not improved then my funds will be used elsewhere.

This if true is just more evidence (as if we needed any) of the complete contempt and inept management of our club from the obvious clowns in Pune.When is this nightmare going to end and what will be left of a once fabulous club we dare not contemplate!

many thanks to andy cryer for trying to get some sense out of this mess,it wont happen though, you you cant predict which way this is going to go, kean is laughing at us,venky;s think we no-accounts, the day will come when we get our club back,we have many trials to come before that

I am not buying my family's tickets until I know he has nothing at all to do with buying players,selecting the team and tatics.
We deed a strong manager here to take us back up not a clueless puppet like Kean turned out.

This is the worst of all worlds. He may go as manager but if he stays in the background he will be more influential than ever. No one will work with him and those that remain will dispise him,the fans will have been betrayed by the owners, who are sticking two fingers up at the fans.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING !

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING !

Absolute Shambles!! This is turning into a joke!!

greenscreener wrote:
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING !

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING !

that's the problem, I think they DO!

This could not get any worse !

WHO OWNS THE CLUB????

"""Kean has his own management team in mind and, if given the nod by Desai, would look to put that into place."""

Looks like Rovers are being made love to in not a nice way!

Bet Keith Andrew's is having a quiet chuckle!

Just goes to show that the club is rotten to the core,i cant believe anyone would buy a season ticket under these circumstances,even saying your backing the team and not the owners/kean,well just look at the team kean had,no passion,no clue,gutless,and they didnt give a **** (apart from one or two),its time to up the ante,its time to be hard with these clowns,its time we,as rovers fans unite,show the press/media we arent happy with this joke of a manager/owners.....w
e can protest outside the ground when we are at home.....would you be happy seeing "your baby" being treated like this?.....thought not!...now lets make a unified stance against these criminals .....venkys out!...kean out!..R.T.W.D.

Plus Jason Roberts.

What a joke we av become...Rovers is dying at an alarming rate of speed..i`m boycottingalong with a few more senisble fans until kean is totally removed from the club and someone like Souness is put in charge

What a joke we av become...Rovers is dying at an alarming rate of speed..i`m boycotting along with a few more senisble fans until kean is totally removed from the club and someone like Souness is put in charge

I have never hated somebody so much as Kean.

Everyone needs to stand together, Its the supporters of the club that are the heartbeat, can I ask everyone to please write a letter to secretary@brfcaction
group.co.uk offering your support for a full investigation into the takeover of our club. These will be handed in person to the FA, Premier League, Football League and Sports Minister. If anyone has any factual information please also get in touch, this can be passed on anonymously and will be handled with care. We are building the case but need every single supporter to put their weight behind it. RTWD

BOMBARD TIMES OF INDIA AND VENKYS WITH EMAILS EVERYONE

Shearer wrote:
Absolute Shambles!! This is turning into a joke!!

Sadly this turned into a joke months ago. We're now living through a neverending nightmare, which looks like it's about to get a whole lot worse now Kean's right had man has been promoted. It would seem Kean is more powerful than ever.

All this is a disgrace. If the story is true I would then presume that Kean,and his sidekicks are more than employees.
A criminal investigation should get underway as to the funding etc of the club. After all is it not a criminal offence to money launder ?

£1.3 million a year for someone who puts cones out. Yer havin a laugh. The rumour that kean is part owner will only gain more credence. He should be completely removed. How come people who did a good job have been sacked, and this bafoon has not?
Scandalous

Shearer wrote:
Absolute Shambles!! This is turning into a joke!!

Looking like that is all that is left to us, to join with everybody else laughing at the once great BRFC. How did this lot make millions?

Shearer wrote:
Absolute Shambles!! This is turning into a joke!!

Looking like that is all that is left to us, to join with everybody else laughing at the once great BRFC. How did this lot make millions?

BRFC is corrupt to the core under these charlatans. I only hope the club can be salvaged once the football authorities finally wake up and investigate what has gone on at Ewood Park. Until that time, I will join the main others boycotting home matches. Kean out! Venky's out! Anderson out!

A Darener wrote:

greenscreener wrote: YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING ! YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING !

that's the problem, I think they DO!

But whichever direction they intend to take this club in (including 'to the cleaners') they clearly have no plan and no clear message for their 'customers'. That means no more gate money and bottom-dollar offers for assets. Current behaviour smacks of indecision, panic and chaos.

If Steve Kean is to remain influential, he may as well be the manager. Let's have transparency and not murky, conspirancy fodder.

Looks more & more like Kean is more than just a manager
Crooks the lot of them
I will not be back till he has left our town

Kean staying at the club in ANY role (even groundsman) is NOT acceptable.

Surely the owners know this will not change anything. While Kean is here nothing changes except the intensity of the protests to get rid of him and our current owners.

Seems that Venkys have missed what would have been a good opportunity (maybe their only opportunity) to build a small bridge with the fans by sacking Kean and appointing a proven and experienced manager and supporting him by adding structure within the boardroom.

It looks like they decided that they will just continue as is...which is the 'recipe' that got us relegated.

Give a monkey another name but it is still a monkey.

Balaji and Venky want Kean out - it's just unfortunate that they let their sister call all the shots.

Its Desai that's the problem. The ugly cow. She will get what's coming to her.

French Rover wrote:
Kean staying at the club in ANY role (even groundsman) is NOT acceptable. Surely the owners know this will not change anything. While Kean is here nothing changes except the intensity of the protests to get rid of him and our current owners. Seems that Venkys have missed what would have been a good opportunity (maybe their only opportunity) to build a small bridge with the fans by sacking Kean and appointing a proven and experienced manager and supporting him by adding structure within the boardroom. It looks like they decided that they will just continue as is...which is the 'recipe' that got us relegated. Give a monkey another name but it is still a monkey.

Frenchie, don't even joke about the groundsman ! we have a brilliant one right now and the grass is the only thing out there that seems to do its job properly. If Kean gets involved he'll be selling the turf and we'll be back to something that resembles the Somme in WW1 or Pleasington in the winter of 1974. :-)

If this latest development doesn't convince the doubters that CoCo the Clown is up to his eyeballs in illicit activity, I really fear for their sanity?
The man is a crook, pure and simple. He and Venkys' will strip the club of every penny they can before selling up!

This could get worse burner if Kean is pulling the strings expect Black to become first team manager and first team coach to be Colin Hendry.

I think if Kean was going to be sacked we would have heard by now so it looks like he's staying.

I don't want him at the club in any role. His ineptitude and arrogance should mean that he's out on his ear but he obviously has a greater influence than that of just a manager.

The whole thing stinks!

The thing that scares me is that, even if Kean is removed, will he still have influence? Desai obviously thinks a lot of him and doesn't want rid, so will his services be retained in an advisor role, even if we don't know and he's removed as manager?

Let's face it, Desai believes everything he says. Who's to say we won't get a new manager in and if he suggests signings, she'll ring Kean to ask his opinion!

I think there's something very sinister about Desai's attachment to Kean...

How can people who apparently run an international business fail to understand the problem here? They appointed a man to operate in a results business, he abysmally failed, resulted in relegation, with a serious loss of income and a no doubt fire sale of players.The club have become a laughing stock in the media and the supporters are literally in revolt.
How can these people fail like any other business would and grasp the situation, act and show him the door, rather than dither and even consider changing his role? What half decent manager would sign up with him still pulling the strings? They are clueless and we are doomed as long as this mess goes on.

I no longer accept this nonsense that Kean is hanging on because Mrs Desai wants it that way. That is clearly nonsense.
Something else is going on!

BORING.COM

Same sh!t different day, the fact no announcement has been made clearly indicates that the Fu'KWIT is going nowhere.
The most important people at any Club are the Fans and this lots total disregard for the Blue n White Army shows that we don't matter. Sad.

greenscreener wrote:

French Rover wrote:
Kean staying at the club in ANY role (even groundsman) is NOT acceptable. Surely the owners know this will not change anything. While Kean is here nothing changes except the intensity of the protests to get rid of him and our current owners. Seems that Venkys have missed what would have been a good opportunity (maybe their only opportunity) to build a small bridge with the fans by sacking Kean and appointing a proven and experienced manager and supporting him by adding structure within the boardroom. It looks like they decided that they will just continue as is...which is the 'recipe' that got us relegated. Give a monkey another name but it is still a monkey.

Frenchie, don't even joke about the groundsman ! we have a brilliant one right now and the grass is the only thing out there that seems to do its job properly. If Kean gets involved he'll be selling the turf and we'll be back to something that resembles the Somme in WW1 or Pleasington in the winter of 1974. :-)

yes you are right, my apologies to the groundsman and his team who do such a great job at Ewood. Kean isn't fit to lace their boots....never mind cut the grass.

Pleasington pitches, played their many moons ago in the Combination and the Sunday league and Orphanage cup amongst the dog poo and broken bricks and bottles...oh what joy! Had a backlog of games every season due to bad weather - uses to play five games a week just to catch-up...and that was with some matches being played where one game was often played for double points or even as a cup tie and a league match.

Time for rovers fans to strike, anyone who puts any money in venky's pockets is a SCAB!

There is a vacancy for Chief Exec!!
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remember the only way to get rid of the Kean et al is a TOTAL BOYCOTT of the club. Do not give them a penny of your money, if it means administration then a little pain now will save you years of torment!

The biggest problem here is that Desai came out and said Golum couldn't be sacked -- she is now too scared of loosing face.

I believe we are looking for a toilet attendant for the away fans, ideal job for Kean considering the amount of c--p he has given us this season.

bburnrover wrote:
I am not buying my family's tickets until I know he has nothing at all to do with buying players,selecting the team and tatics.
We deed a strong manager here to take us back up not a clueless puppet like Kean turned out.

The only way you will know this is if he is sacked and has no role. No matter what rubbish we are fed nobody should provide any funds to the club (season tickets, merchandise, sponsorship) until Kean is out and we are provided with a clear direction.

Get your money on Chris Coleman to be next Rovers boss !! don,t forget you heard it here first !!!

The farce continues - relegation and cost cutting BUT we keep a failed Manager on £1.3-£1.5 Million per year in the background

Who will come as Manager on those terms ? and how many players and staff will lose their jobs to keep the Liar in his "Made up role"

You can imagine the headlines
"The chicken is not dead it's a Norwegian Blue"

I suspect these penny pinching owners don't want to sack him and incur a large severance package. So they will keep him in another role just to avoid paying him out and at the same time try and appease some of the fans with shifting him upstairs!!! Hello!!!! Sorry but this wont work he's got to go!!! From what I've seen over the last 12 months they are trying to run the club on a show string budget and don't want to employ the sort of people that can bring the club back to life. . This is a football club not a call centre in India 'gets a grip' and start looking after the club and fans. Kean is not fit to manage an under 5yrs side never mind Rovers. It's an absolute disgrace what going on at Blackburn and I think the owners are clueless and so out of their depth when it comes to football they mint as well let one of their chickens run the club.

Rant Over......

What other business would get away with treating its customers with such contempt?

In Agnew, we have Kean's puppet and so his influence is strengthened.

To all those people who took advantage of the early bird season ticket offer - thank you - you have assisted in strengthening Kean's position, all for the sake of saving £10, £20 or £30. You could have at least waited for the 'claim your own seat' deadline.

To offset the bad news of Kean and Agnew strengthening their position I now expect a 'fantastic' season ticket offer to tempt people to renew. Maybe something like Charlton did and followed by Burnley i.e. buy one for 2012/13 and if we win promotion get 2013/14 free?

I just hope those with the real interest of Rovers at heart hold firm for the log term good of the Club and don't renew until these parasites are no longer at Ewood.

Isnt the bald slapper meant to be returning to England today? Will the Venkys make an announcement on the mangerial situation? I would strongly advise them to do so, and announce that Kean has been remove as manager of the club, and has not been given a background role.
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Keeping Kean on in any compacity will antoganise the fans further, lead to losses of more supporters, more protests and more boycotting. DOES DESAI UNDERSTAND THIS????
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Does she actually realise that Kean got us relegated and Kean is not the man to get us back into the premiership?
I think I am living in a parallel universe in which a manager gets a club relegated after 11 years in the division. He sets records for the lowest win % of any Rovers manager in history and the longest run of games without a clean sheet. The owners then back him, call him unsackable against massive losses of fans who all want him removed. DO THEY REALISE HOW CRAZY THIS DECISION ACTUALLY IS?

Everyone boycott ewood it's our only chance to rid the filth from our club! RTID......

Never have I in 39 years of supporting Blackburn Rovers Football Club felt so tarnished with the goings on at our club.

Although these tiresome owners(who ever they maybe?) are adamant in restructuring the whole framework of this once well organized club the absolute sickening way they are going about it highlights just how unprofessional and inexperienced they are, which only results in embarrassing and humiliating the whole history of the club.

The faith I have in those who purport to own the club in rebuilding is at such a low that I doubt it will recover in my life time such is my anger toward them.

For them to wipe it out over 18 months is nothing short of criminality and, a total and utter disregard for those who have and do support the club.

In short they have got away murder.

Once they have finished moulding this club into their own vision goodness only knows what the image will be ?

Wrestling back control of BRFC, with who ever eventually gains control, will have a job in restoring the good name of it.

Very, very sad times and, shame on those who have laid total destruction to the history of BRFC.

Why has he got influence over the board/management team surely that can't be legal, this **** has to have a stake in the club if that's the case.

Just remember this; These owners are in full control, and have the power to change the club at anytime they feel. They are protcted from demonstrations, and have endured nearly a full season, and still don't give an inch. If you give your season ticket money for the coming term, they can ignore you again for another season.
They have people in high places that can protect their image, but they won't buy their season tickets.

Never have I in 39 years of supporting Blackburn Rovers Football Club felt so tarnished with the goings on at our club.

Although these tiresome owners(who ever they maybe?) are adamant in restructuring the whole framework of this once well organized club the absolute sickening way they are going about it highlights just how unprofessional and inexperienced they are, which only results in embarrassing and humiliating the whole history of the club.

The faith I have in those who purport to own the club in rebuilding is at such a low that I doubt it will recover in my life time such is my anger toward them.

For them to wipe it out over 18 months is nothing short of criminality and, a total and utter disregard for those who have and do support the club.

In short they have got away murder.

Once they have finished moulding this club into their own vision goodness only knows what the image will be ?

Wrestling back control of BRFC, with who ever eventually gains control, will have a job in restoring the good name of it.

Very, very sad times and, shame on those who have laid total destruction to the history of BRFC.

The latest showing of how our club is run is a sham. No news over the worst manager in the history of this club highlights just how low we have sunk.

The protection he is afforded beggars belief. Instead we have to take the failure and that is the final insult.

**** the lot of them I want no part of this any longer.

BRSIT stand up and be prepared for the toughest battle of your lifetime.

Arte et labore

French Rover wrote:

greenscreener wrote:

French Rover wrote: Kean staying at the club in ANY role (even groundsman) is NOT acceptable. Surely the owners know this will not change anything. While Kean is here nothing changes except the intensity of the protests to get rid of him and our current owners. Seems that Venkys have missed what would have been a good opportunity (maybe their only opportunity) to build a small bridge with the fans by sacking Kean and appointing a proven and experienced manager and supporting him by adding structure within the boardroom. It looks like they decided that they will just continue as is...which is the 'recipe' that got us relegated. Give a monkey another name but it is still a monkey.

Frenchie, don't even joke about the groundsman ! we have a brilliant one right now and the grass is the only thing out there that seems to do its job properly. If Kean gets involved he'll be selling the turf and we'll be back to something that resembles the Somme in WW1 or Pleasington in the winter of 1974. :-)

yes you are right, my apologies to the groundsman and his team who do such a great job at Ewood. Kean isn't fit to lace their boots....never mind cut the grass. Pleasington pitches, played their many moons ago in the Combination and the Sunday league and Orphanage cup amongst the dog poo and broken bricks and bottles...oh what joy! Had a backlog of games every season due to bad weather - uses to play five games a week just to catch-up...and that was with some matches being played where one game was often played for double points or even as a cup tie and a league match.

Excellent memories. I always preferred Whitebirk to Pleasy, less grass, but the mud wasn't usually as deep.

ewoodcow wrote:
What other business would get away with treating its customers with such contempt? In Agnew, we have Kean's puppet and so his influence is strengthened. To all those people who took advantage of the early bird season ticket offer - thank you - you have assisted in strengthening Kean's position, all for the sake of saving £10, £20 or £30. You could have at least waited for the 'claim your own seat' deadline. To offset the bad news of Kean and Agnew strengthening their position I now expect a 'fantastic' season ticket offer to tempt people to renew. Maybe something like Charlton did and followed by Burnley i.e. buy one for 2012/13 and if we win promotion get 2013/14 free? I just hope those with the real interest of Rovers at heart hold firm for the log term good of the Club and don't renew until these parasites are no longer at Ewood.

I honestly cannot believe any business people to be so clueless about business. The football club is dependent on the fans to show up and create an atmosphere in the stadium and support the club positively, to enable positive results on the pitch. They are dependent on the income from merchandise sales and ticket sales. The fans are the customers and the supporters of the team on the pitch.
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By effectively telling the fans they are a bunch of plebs, and by lieing to them and going out of your way to antagonise by the keeping a manager so hated on at the club. You are setting yourself up to lose your income stream and lifeblood of the club?????
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Without the fans there is no football club. VENKYS OUT.

garynugent wrote:
I suspect these penny pinching owners don't want to sack him and incur a large severance package. So they will keep him in another role just to avoid paying him out and at the same time try and appease some of the fans with shifting him upstairs!!! Hello!!!! Sorry but this wont work he's got to go!!! From what I've seen over the last 12 months they are trying to run the club on a show string budget and don't want to employ the sort of people that can bring the club back to life. . This is a football club not a call centre in India 'gets a grip' and start looking after the club and fans. Kean is not fit to manage an under 5yrs side never mind Rovers. It's an absolute disgrace what going on at Blackburn and I think the owners are clueless and so out of their depth when it comes to football they mint as well let one of their chickens run the club.

Rant Over......

What severance ? He kissed goodbye to that when he breached his contract and slagged off BFS in a drunken stupor in Hong Kong.

After a weekend waiting for any scrap of news and thinking things may improve I have come crashing back down with this latest report I,m gutted again you just couldn,t make it up.I think we all know he won,t be going anywhere till VENKYS OUT!!!!

She can't sack kean.
1. He knows too much and is part of the rip-off.
2.She needs to keep him close as he's shown on the video he's a loose cannon who can fire his mouth off.
I've tried many times commenting on Times of India- they won't put my (mild) comments on.

GET REAL Dunn/Kean/Anyone- no apology yet! Oh yes you've nothing to apologise for- you did FANTASTIC all last season!

Would you buy a second hand car from the venkys-anything? Oh yes a season ticket and a new rovers shirt= I like being a victim and helping the venkys pension fund!

Your not getting any of my money Venkys. No matter how insignificant it may be, its the principle of the matter.
The utter contempt you show towards the fans, the sponsors, the community and the Club is incredible.
Your a disgrace to Football!
GET OUT OF OUR CLUB!!!!!!!

Goes from bad to worse. Just what exactly is going on?

Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only).

Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible.

Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club.

Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible.

The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing.

Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team.

Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period.

Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place.

If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!!

Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read.

Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe.

Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

Mr.wengA-show us the 500 a day messages of support for kean. Next show us the completed ST renewal forms and say on oath how many have ACTUALLY renewed so far. Otherwise keep your mouth shut we are not interesed in anything you have to say. Go away and play your executive musical chairs while the ship sinks.

peely wrote:
Get your money on Chris Coleman to be next Rovers boss !! don,t forget you heard it here first !!!

I'm sorry. NO manager should touch this job as long as Keane is still here. I would include Venkys in this as well, but I think there's no chance of them getting out, unless we force the club into liquidation.

Seasideblue wrote:
Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only). Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible. Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club. Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible. The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing. Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team. Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period. Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place. If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!! Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read. Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe. Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

Thats probably as close to the truth as you will read on these pages!!!

For anyone left in any doubt about what the owners thought of the fans, those doubts have now been banished.

We the fans mean nothing and I can only assume that the income from gate receipts, merchandising etc is jst seem as a bonus.

I am aware of one coroprate client who has been offered their renewal package at 20% of what they paid last year but they have turned it down. The club are fully aware of this, yet asre still keeping Kean in some capacity.

Although the theory of asset stripping has been ridiculed by many, I can only assume that the owners intend to make money somehow. That now has to be by taking the parachute money, selling players and reducing the wage bill further.

I hate to say don't support the club, but it is no the club as we know it anymore. I think we have to take the view that BRFC for now does not exist and we have to boycott the owners and Kean.

I do not think for one minute any true Rovers fan supports Kean or Venkys.

you get the impression that even if kean was found in the finance department at ewood with the door to the safe wide open and his pockets bulging with used £10 notes and him standing over the accounts clerk with his grubby hands around her dead body's neck whilst he is salivating and screaming "its all mine, i tell you"......he would even then be able to convince mrs deathsai - that it is not what it looks like and he had found the accounts clerk running away with the contents of the safe.
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mrs desai - would then reward our brilliant manager with an improved contract and annoint him as a hindi god.

Seasideblue wrote:
Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only). Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible. Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club. Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible. The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing. Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team. Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period. Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place. If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!! Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read. Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe. Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

Utter tosh, Mr Agnew!

40 years a season ticket holder but never again until baldy is sacked. Not one more penny of mine will cross the Ewood Park till just to pay that useless PR*CK his £1.3m per year, no matter what his position at the club, and as for Agnew, words fail me, he is just a Kean sympathiser and just another feeding at the trough.

Seasideblue wrote:
Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only). Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible. Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club. Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible. The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing. Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team. Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period. Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place. If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!! Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read. Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe. Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

Good post and logical conclusions.

Just two things Venky's should have done. 1. Told the truth about our financial mess. 2. Appointed a competent manager.

The fans deserve the truth, not chicken shxt!

I think that the seaside blue explanation is a credible one, however the gamble of remaining in the premier league was always one that could backfire. We are now relegated and everyone is aware that will cost the club at the very least £40 million per annum. The cost cutting will now save anywhere near that amount.

Brian Rix didn't write a farce like this, not only have Rovers fans been crapped on over the last 18 months they're now having their faces rubbed in it, when you see other managers being sacked who have done miles better that Kean you have to wonder, its time this silly woman left the game to people who know whats needed, not running head long into the abyss.

Roverthere wrote:

Seasideblue wrote:
Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only). Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible. Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club. Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible. The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing. Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team. Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period. Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place. If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!! Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read. Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe. Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

Good post and logical conclusions.

Just two things Venky's should have done. 1. Told the truth about our financial mess. 2. Appointed a competent manager.

The fans deserve the truth, not chicken shxt!

Exactly, we need transparency. Keanochio should still be sacked because of his poor performance and the quality of his signings that never even got on the pitch. But Venky's should have said they had no money instead of this continuing farce.

Mirror quote

Second chance: Kean survives Blackburn axe...and gets boardroom ally

Ally Paul Agnew has been put on the Rovers board to help support the under-fire manager in the Championship


Survivor: Steve Kean has managed to keep his job despite fans' frustration
Getty
Steve Kean will be given a second chance at Blackburn Rovers - with top ally Paul Agnew put on the board to back him.

Kean survived attempts to sack him after relegation and owner Mrs Anuradha Desai has supported him even more by putting ‘troubleshooter’ Agnew into a senior role.

Agnew was director of communications and also a key right-hand man for Kean during a tough season when senior officials within the club tried to force him out.

Now Rovers fan Agnew, 54, will be put into a bigger position and with a chance of improving relations with an unhappy group of fans.

Agnew wants to help Kean and also let the supporters know more of the club’s plans after frustration about a lack of word from their Indian owners.

Kean survived the latest attempt to oust him on a trip to Pune despite secretive bids to have him replaced and a new manager brought in.

Mrs Desai will also give him a budget for Championship players and there may be other behind-the-scenes changes in the fall-out from the Kean backing.

Now there are three of them to get rid of. The disease is spreading.

Now there are three of them to get rid of. The disease is spreading.

Seasideblue wrote:
Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only).

Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible.

Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club.

Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible.

The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing.

Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team.

Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period.

Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place.

If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!!

Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read.

Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe.

Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

its an intersting scenario - but it is full of ifs buts and maybes (as are all the other theories too).
.
however, it doesn't go any way to explaining the stuff about vekevic, formica and rochina not playing. it doesnt explain why we had massive agents fees, it doesn't explain andersen's supposed role and supposed subsequent abandonment - yet retaining his client as #1, it doesn't explain the team being unfit, it doesn't explain kean being tactically incompetent, it doesnt explain why everyone except mrs. desai recognises that kean has a 666 birthmark on his backside, and it doesn't explain why the likes of paul hunt were not in on the act. as deputy ceo - you would have thought he was on message - and yet even last december - he was oblivious to your theory.

steve kean makes jim iley look like jose murinho

If the seaside blue theory is correct, who sanctioned the signing of Myles Anderson? I presume that he is paid wages and he was also paid a signing on fee and his agent was also paid.

Cost cutting is all well and good, but why waste money that way? I have my opinions on this signing and will never accept that this signing was for football reasons and he really is a new Chris Smalling!

Former chairman Rob Coar is still on the Board of Directors but his silence is deafening.
Come on Mr Cryer let's be having some comment from him - he is the one remaining link to the Walker era.

According to one tabloid they are giving him another chance as manager,what the hell is going on.

hasslem hasslem wrote:

Seasideblue wrote:
Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only).

Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible.

Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club.

Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible.

The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing.

Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team.

Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period.

Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place.

If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!!

Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read.

Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe.

Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

its an intersting scenario - but it is full of ifs buts and maybes (as are all the other theories too).
.
however, it doesn't go any way to explaining the stuff about vekevic, formica and rochina not playing. it doesnt explain why we had massive agents fees, it doesn't explain andersen's supposed role and supposed subsequent abandonment - yet retaining his client as #1, it doesn't explain the team being unfit, it doesn't explain kean being tactically incompetent, it doesnt explain why everyone except mrs. desai recognises that kean has a 666 birthmark on his backside, and it doesn't explain why the likes of paul hunt were not in on the act. as deputy ceo - you would have thought he was on message - and yet even last december - he was oblivious to your theory.

I suppose we'll find out one way or another.
If they sell all our best players and then put the club up for sale, then the answer is obvious. They will be using the Rovers to prop up their ailing chicken empire. If they sell and hang on in there, bring some more players in to get us back up then the rumours are untrue.
Either way it will all come to fruition shortly.

You guys are the biggest whingers in the history of the world.

Look, one drop of rain on your window pane doesn't mean to say there's a thunderstorm comin', rain may pour for an hour or more, but it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.

Another example, one gentle breeze blowin' softly through the trees doesn't mean to say there's a hurricane hummin', so don't start runnin' ev'ry time you hear it comin', 'cos it doesn't matter, you know it doesn't matter.

Final example, one little word that you may have overheard doesn't mean to say that my love for you is dyin', so don't start cryin' over second hand lyin', say it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.

It's a storm in a teacup, brewing up double all those tiny little troubles. A storm in a teacup,
it really doesn't matter, if it pidder-pidder-padder
s all the day.

Isn't it time that those who have left Ewood since the Venky's took over (Manager, directors, players anyone) break their vows of silence and tell us the truth about what has been going on? Also, what about current employees who still care about the club dishing the dirt on Kean etc?

Rumpole wrote:
WHO OWNS THE CLUB????

"""Kean has his own management team in mind and, if given the nod by Desai, would look to put that into place."""

Looks like Rovers are being made love to in not a nice way!

Exactly Rumpole!

Mr Cryer please start asking the questions that will get to the bottom of what position Kean really holds at the club. Surely he already has his own management team in place (Eric Black,Brunskill etc.). If he has any influence beyond this it is surely proof that as we all know he has a vested interest in what's been going on.

Shearer wrote:
Absolute Shambles!! This is turning into a joke!!

Turning into a Joke? It's been a joke for the last 18 months, and may I say the funniest joke ive ever heard! I just can't stop laughing, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
The whole of the football world is also p1ssing their sides laughing!

The biggest single error they are making is in not talking to the support base in explaining themselves.
Why this is so, no one has any idea. So, we are left to speculate, and speculation leads to rumour, conspiracy theories, paranoia etc.
If they would just hold a Q&A forum with Andy Cryer that would go some way in building some sort of bridge (as flimsy as that would be).
By him defending his position and obviously claiming he can lead us straight back is in no way a conspiracy or double dealing or corrupt, as that is how any arbitrator would see it.
It is simply a owner keeping faith with their elected manager, and in doing so would gain plaudits from many (who don't or don't want to see the bigger picture).

I see the clowns are back. Just go away in short sharp jerky movements.

Steve Agent Kean. International man of mystery!!

That's the way to do it - keep your money, don't support anything either Venky's or Kean do. Leave the stadium empty every home game. The bigger the audience, the more arrogant Kean becomes, and next season, he is going to look the biggest fool going when nobody turns up to watch another season of his failures. Venky's without financial support from the fan, will at some point realise that they have become the laughing stock of the football world - they have worked hard to reach this status, they deserve all the downfalls awaiting them - bring it on

Chris Coleman has been interviewed about a possible role in new management team at Ewood !!! fact !!

Jimmy Jambone wrote:
You guys are the biggest whingers in the history of the world.

Look, one drop of rain on your window pane doesn't mean to say there's a thunderstorm comin', rain may pour for an hour or more, but it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.

Another example, one gentle breeze blowin' softly through the trees doesn't mean to say there's a hurricane hummin', so don't start runnin' ev'ry time you hear it comin', 'cos it doesn't matter, you know it doesn't matter.

Final example, one little word that you may have overheard doesn't mean to say that my love for you is dyin', so don't start cryin' over second hand lyin', say it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.

It's a storm in a teacup, brewing up double all those tiny little troubles. A storm in a teacup,
it really doesn't matter, if it pidder-pidder-padder

s all the day.

Look Jam boner, you need to take yer bellend out of the preserves and get a job. You can't sit there all day making special jam sandwiches for you and your mates. Maybe you should advertise you know, maybe a sandwich board turning a hobbie into a career. Gay for pay on both sides. Earn some money for more jam for you and bubbles.

Seasideblue wrote:
Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only).

Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible.

Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club.

Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible.

The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing.

Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team.

Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period.

Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place.

If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!!

Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read.

Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe.

Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

Totally agree.

"Kean has his own management team in mind and, if given the nod by Desai, would look to put that into place"

I think everything you wanted answering is within this statement about Kean and the influence he has a BRFC.

I have said it for along time and others agree that Kean has more than just a passing interest within BRFC and until we force this weasel out with his tail between his legs things at the club are will be up in the air.


He may have won a small battle but he HAS NOT WON THE WAR.

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

hasslem hasslem wrote:

Seasideblue wrote: Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only). Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible. Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club. Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible. The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing. Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team. Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period. Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place. If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!! Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read. Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe. Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

its an intersting scenario - but it is full of ifs buts and maybes (as are all the other theories too). . however, it doesn't go any way to explaining the stuff about vekevic, formica and rochina not playing. it doesnt explain why we had massive agents fees, it doesn't explain andersen's supposed role and supposed subsequent abandonment - yet retaining his client as #1, it doesn't explain the team being unfit, it doesn't explain kean being tactically incompetent, it doesnt explain why everyone except mrs. desai recognises that kean has a 666 birthmark on his backside, and it doesn't explain why the likes of paul hunt were not in on the act. as deputy ceo - you would have thought he was on message - and yet even last december - he was oblivious to your theory.

I suppose we'll find out one way or another. If they sell all our best players and then put the club up for sale, then the answer is obvious. They will be using the Rovers to prop up their ailing chicken empire. If they sell and hang on in there, bring some more players in to get us back up then the rumours are untrue. Either way it will all come to fruition shortly.

IMHO: Seaside Blues proposition probably has some truth in it, but HH is spot on - There are some underlying issues a) the role of agents and b) the incompetent management of the playing squad that cannot be excused.

I hope KDG is right and that it will come to fruition shortly, but I fear that the chaos is set to rumble on.

Next we'll have some more p1ss poor platitudes about "re-organisations and trying to keep best players, and looking forward to a pre-season tour of Pune", leading to a squad that disintigrates by August. Then it will be "experienced players let us down, because they wanted to leave, so now we have to give our fantastic young players a chance and build for the future".

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Jimmy Jambone wrote:
You guys are the biggest whingers in the history of the world.

Look, one drop of rain on your window pane doesn't mean to say there's a thunderstorm comin', rain may pour for an hour or more, but it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.

Another example, one gentle breeze blowin' softly through the trees doesn't mean to say there's a hurricane hummin', so don't start runnin' ev'ry time you hear it comin', 'cos it doesn't matter, you know it doesn't matter.

Final example, one little word that you may have overheard doesn't mean to say that my love for you is dyin', so don't start cryin' over second hand lyin', say it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.

It's a storm in a teacup, brewing up double all those tiny little troubles. A storm in a teacup,
it really doesn't matter, if it pidder-pidder-padder


s all the day.

Look Jam boner, you need to take yer bellend out of the preserves and get a job. You can't sit there all day making special jam sandwiches for you and your mates. Maybe you should advertise you know, maybe a sandwich board turning a hobbie into a career. Gay for pay on both sides. Earn some money for more jam for you and bubbles.

You know KDG, I never meant to see you again, and I only passed by as a friend. All this time I stayed out of sight, and I started wondering why. You say you don't need me in your life, I guess that you're right. I never meant to cause you no pain, but it looks like I did it again.

Now I, well now I wish it would rain down. Down on me. Oh yes I wish it would rain, rain down on me now. Oh yes. I wish it would rain down. Down on me. I wish it would

rain

on

me

Jimmy Jambone wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Jimmy Jambone wrote:
You guys are the biggest whingers in the history of the world.

Look, one drop of rain on your window pane doesn't mean to say there's a thunderstorm comin', rain may pour for an hour or more, but it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.

Another example, one gentle breeze blowin' softly through the trees doesn't mean to say there's a hurricane hummin', so don't start runnin' ev'ry time you hear it comin', 'cos it doesn't matter, you know it doesn't matter.

Final example, one little word that you may have overheard doesn't mean to say that my love for you is dyin', so don't start cryin' over second hand lyin', say it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.

It's a storm in a teacup, brewing up double all those tiny little troubles. A storm in a teacup,
it really doesn't matter, if it pidder-pidder-padder



s all the day.

Look Jam boner, you need to take yer bellend out of the preserves and get a job. You can't sit there all day making special jam sandwiches for you and your mates. Maybe you should advertise you know, maybe a sandwich board turning a hobbie into a career. Gay for pay on both sides. Earn some money for more jam for you and bubbles.

You know KDG, I never meant to see you again, and I only passed by as a friend. All this time I stayed out of sight, and I started wondering why. You say you don't need me in your life, I guess that you're right. I never meant to cause you no pain, but it looks like I did it again.

Now I, well now I wish it would rain down. Down on me. Oh yes I wish it would rain, rain down on me now. Oh yes. I wish it would rain down. Down on me. I wish it would

rain

on

me

Checked out that you commented on a Rovers story 30 minutes before commenting on a Bumley one, even though they were posted at the same time. Do we really mean that much to you? You really feel drawn to us don't you. Jam jar in one hand p3nis in the other. Do you keep getting windows sticky keys warnings?. Out of you and bubbles, who is the giver?

Jimmy Jambone wrote:
You guys are the biggest whingers in the history of the world.

Look, one drop of rain on your window pane doesn't mean to say there's a thunderstorm comin', rain may pour for an hour or more, but it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.

Another example, one gentle breeze blowin' softly through the trees doesn't mean to say there's a hurricane hummin', so don't start runnin' ev'ry time you hear it comin', 'cos it doesn't matter, you know it doesn't matter.

Final example, one little word that you may have overheard doesn't mean to say that my love for you is dyin', so don't start cryin' over second hand lyin', say it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.

It's a storm in a teacup, brewing up double all those tiny little troubles. A storm in a teacup,
it really doesn't matter, if it pidder-pidder-padder

s all the day.

Inspirational Jimmy. And your right. What we should do is take a leaf out of Burnleys book and how you all reacted when Owen Coyle left for a bigger club. You just accepted your place as a smaller club than Bolton and moved on. Thankyou again. I love you Jimmy. We all love you.

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Jimmy Jambone wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Jimmy Jambone wrote:
You guys are the biggest whingers in the history of the world.

Look, one drop of rain on your window pane doesn't mean to say there's a thunderstorm comin', rain may pour for an hour or more, but it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.

Another example, one gentle breeze blowin' softly through the trees doesn't mean to say there's a hurricane hummin', so don't start runnin' ev'ry time you hear it comin', 'cos it doesn't matter, you know it doesn't matter.

Final example, one little word that you may have overheard doesn't mean to say that my love for you is dyin', so don't start cryin' over second hand lyin', say it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.

It's a storm in a teacup, brewing up double all those tiny little troubles. A storm in a teacup,
it really doesn't matter, if it pidder-pidder-padder




s all the day.

Look Jam boner, you need to take yer bellend out of the preserves and get a job. You can't sit there all day making special jam sandwiches for you and your mates. Maybe you should advertise you know, maybe a sandwich board turning a hobbie into a career. Gay for pay on both sides. Earn some money for more jam for you and bubbles.

You know KDG, I never meant to see you again, and I only passed by as a friend. All this time I stayed out of sight, and I started wondering why. You say you don't need me in your life, I guess that you're right. I never meant to cause you no pain, but it looks like I did it again.

Now I, well now I wish it would rain down. Down on me. Oh yes I wish it would rain, rain down on me now. Oh yes. I wish it would rain down. Down on me. I wish it would

rain

on

me

Checked out that you commented on a Rovers story 30 minutes before commenting on a Bumley one, even though they were posted at the same time. Do we really mean that much to you? You really feel drawn to us don't you. Jam jar in one hand p3nis in the other. Do you keep getting windows sticky keys warnings?. Out of you and bubbles, who is the giver?

Hmm. You're like a little Sherlock Holmes, observing things, gathering the evidence and making the appropriate judgement. I am very, very impressed.

Soooooo who did I kill? And what room did I do it in?

hasslem hasslem wrote:

Seasideblue wrote:
Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only).

Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible.

Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club.

Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible.

The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing.

Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team.

Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period.

Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place.

If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!!

Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read.

Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe.

Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

its an intersting scenario - but it is full of ifs buts and maybes (as are all the other theories too).
.
however, it doesn't go any way to explaining the stuff about vekevic, formica and rochina not playing. it doesnt explain why we had massive agents fees, it doesn't explain andersen's supposed role and supposed subsequent abandonment - yet retaining his client as #1, it doesn't explain the team being unfit, it doesn't explain kean being tactically incompetent, it doesnt explain why everyone except mrs. desai recognises that kean has a 666 birthmark on his backside, and it doesn't explain why the likes of paul hunt were not in on the act. as deputy ceo - you would have thought he was on message - and yet even last december - he was oblivious to your theory.

Also, Rovers top players were/are payed the going rate and no more. By getting rid of all our top players and top earners, all we are doing as well as reducing the wage bill, is reducing the quality and value of the team.

If the plan is to get back into the premier league, then, IF we ever get back there, we will AGAIN be required to pay the going rate (transfer fees, wages), or face a mass exodus of our best players. It just becomes a vicious circle if you don't pay the going rate.

greenscreener wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

hasslem hasslem wrote:

Seasideblue wrote: Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only). Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible. Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club. Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible. The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing. Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team. Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period. Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place. If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!! Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read. Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe. Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

its an intersting scenario - but it is full of ifs buts and maybes (as are all the other theories too). . however, it doesn't go any way to explaining the stuff about vekevic, formica and rochina not playing. it doesnt explain why we had massive agents fees, it doesn't explain andersen's supposed role and supposed subsequent abandonment - yet retaining his client as #1, it doesn't explain the team being unfit, it doesn't explain kean being tactically incompetent, it doesnt explain why everyone except mrs. desai recognises that kean has a 666 birthmark on his backside, and it doesn't explain why the likes of paul hunt were not in on the act. as deputy ceo - you would have thought he was on message - and yet even last december - he was oblivious to your theory.

I suppose we'll find out one way or another. If they sell all our best players and then put the club up for sale, then the answer is obvious. They will be using the Rovers to prop up their ailing chicken empire. If they sell and hang on in there, bring some more players in to get us back up then the rumours are untrue. Either way it will all come to fruition shortly.

IMHO: Seaside Blues proposition probably has some truth in it, but HH is spot on - There are some underlying issues a) the role of agents and b) the incompetent management of the playing squad that cannot be excused.

I hope KDG is right and that it will come to fruition shortly, but I fear that the chaos is set to rumble on.

Next we'll have some more p1ss poor platitudes about "re-organisatio
ns and trying to keep best players, and looking forward to a pre-season tour of Pune", leading to a squad that disintigrates by August. Then it will be "experienced players let us down, because they wanted to leave, so now we have to give our fantastic young players a chance and build for the future".

I agree it doesn't provide all the answers. For that you have to overlay Venkys business plan with:

1. Their lack of understanding that you cannot just apply a generic business model to league football where there is always a threat of relegation (i.e. incompetence as owners).

2. They appointed an inexperienced manager who was and is not up to the job (i.e. incompetence as a manager).

3. They've been taken to the cleaners by a certain agent who has no doubt milked them for as much as he can get (i.e. greed).

I may be wrong of course, but I don't believe the asset stripping theories. Venkys have staked their reputation on being big time premier league club owners with a club that won the premier league and at the moment that reputation is in tatters. I am pretty sure their intention was to be in at the start of developing professional football in India's huge potential market. Sadly their ignorance and arrogance has just made them look stupid while the club, the town and the fans have suffered the consequences.

adcr wrote:

hasslem hasslem wrote:

Seasideblue wrote:
Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only).

Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible.

Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club.

Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible.

The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing.

Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team.

Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period.

Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place.

If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!!

Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read.

Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe.

Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

its an intersting scenario - but it is full of ifs buts and maybes (as are all the other theories too).
.
however, it doesn't go any way to explaining the stuff about vekevic, formica and rochina not playing. it doesnt explain why we had massive agents fees, it doesn't explain andersen's supposed role and supposed subsequent abandonment - yet retaining his client as #1, it doesn't explain the team being unfit, it doesn't explain kean being tactically incompetent, it doesnt explain why everyone except mrs. desai recognises that kean has a 666 birthmark on his backside, and it doesn't explain why the likes of paul hunt were not in on the act. as deputy ceo - you would have thought he was on message - and yet even last december - he was oblivious to your theory.

Also, Rovers top players were/are payed the going rate and no more. By getting rid of all our top players and top earners, all we are doing as well as reducing the wage bill, is reducing the quality and value of the team.

If the plan is to get back into the premier league, then, IF we ever get back there, we will AGAIN be required to pay the going rate (transfer fees, wages), or face a mass exodus of our best players. It just becomes a vicious circle if you don't pay the going rate.

Not all clubs follow that model. Blackpool don't pay the going rate nor huge agents fees. Agreed they didn't manage to get back in the Premier league this season, but they are now financially secure and as a club their size, history, fan base etc is very similar to that of Rovers (even if we don't want to admit it).

Jimmy Jambone wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Jimmy Jambone wrote:
You guys are the biggest whingers in the history of the world.

Look, one drop of rain on your window pane doesn't mean to say there's a thunderstorm comin', rain may pour for an hour or more, but it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.

Another example, one gentle breeze blowin' softly through the trees doesn't mean to say there's a hurricane hummin', so don't start runnin' ev'ry time you hear it comin', 'cos it doesn't matter, you know it doesn't matter.

Final example, one little word that you may have overheard doesn't mean to say that my love for you is dyin', so don't start cryin' over second hand lyin', say it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.

It's a storm in a teacup, brewing up double all those tiny little troubles. A storm in a teacup,
it really doesn't matter, if it pidder-pidder-padder



s all the day.

Look Jam boner, you need to take yer bellend out of the preserves and get a job. You can't sit there all day making special jam sandwiches for you and your mates. Maybe you should advertise you know, maybe a sandwich board turning a hobbie into a career. Gay for pay on both sides. Earn some money for more jam for you and bubbles.

You know KDG, I never meant to see you again, and I only passed by as a friend. All this time I stayed out of sight, and I started wondering why. You say you don't need me in your life, I guess that you're right. I never meant to cause you no pain, but it looks like I did it again.

Now I, well now I wish it would rain down. Down on me. Oh yes I wish it would rain, rain down on me now. Oh yes. I wish it would rain down. Down on me. I wish it would

rain

on

me

So you found some cheesey song lyrics and think they are relevant. so just for you jimmy the jam boner and your mate bubbles I think these lyrics are relevant to your situation at Burnley.
The song smaller and smaller by faith no more, very apt.

Drought makes the workers dream
Muscles and fields of green
Shovel the last few crumbs
Of generosity
Open heart, open mind, open mouth, open vein
DRAIN
Someday the rains will come
My blistered hands tell me
Tomorrow, Tomorrow, Tomorrow
BITE
BITE
BITE
CRY
I'll keep coming back
Smaller and smaller and smaller
Squash me
Smaller and smaller and smaller
Under the charity
Smaller and smaller and smaller
Under the topsoil
Smaller and smaller and smaller
Under the fingernail
Smaller and smaller and smaller
Then small becomes all becomes all.

Should be bumleys entrance music.
Insignificant under my finger nail, smaller and smaller and smaller. Always have been always will be, smaller and smaller and smaller.
Enjoy you bubbles banker.

Roy of the wrote:
I no longer accept this nonsense that Kean is hanging on because Mrs Desai wants it that way. That is clearly nonsense.
Something else is going on!

Totally agree, this thing about the brothers wanting him out and its just Desai who wants him out is a cover up. I think they would have persuaded her by now if that was the case. Kean is involved - what a joke this is

Leave 'em too it......the police will sort it out.

B*LL*CKS ROVERS FC

If Kean has even an atom of involvement with the club in future, the protests must not only continue, but intensify.

Remember that at least with him as manager he has to face the media immediately after the match and prior to it in press conferences too. These are instances where he reveals himself to be the incompetent individual he is. The Mirror article of 8th May (titled: Kean-oh! A Rovers fan picks apart 20 damning Steve quotes) which exposed his lies is an example.

If, however, he were in a backroom/office role then he would not be scrutinised nearly as much and there would be no cameras on him. Without this scrutiny he could engage in more lies, and indeed dubious activities. He is a parasite, but at least with him as manager he carries out his parasitic activities in the glare of all Rover’s fan, which will act as something of a restraint on his actions.

Kean staying in a non-managerial role is not just bad news, but genuinely dangerous news. He must be get rid of entirely (as must Venkys). Intensified protests and a total boycott must continue until this takes place.

the final countdown wrote:
How can people who apparently run an international business fail to understand the problem here? They appointed a man to operate in a results business, he abysmally failed, resulted in relegation, with a serious loss of income and a no doubt fire sale of players.The club have become a laughing stock in the media and the supporters are literally in revolt. How can these people fail like any other business would and grasp the situation, act and show him the door, rather than dither and even consider changing his role? What half decent manager would sign up with him still pulling the strings? They are clueless and we are doomed as long as this mess goes on.

But has he failed - probably not! He has done exactly what he has told - sold players!! Who's to say the relegation wasn't planned for and expected - parachute payments were guaranteed income.

Our new Director of Communications is doing a cracking job.

What a fcuking shambles!!!!

Why is it word is out that Kitman's mate Agnew is going to be promoted, and yet noone has whispered a word about Kitman's situation ? Do the Wanky's think that if they hang on a few days before telling us he's been kept on as director of sanitary management, that it will soften the blow ?

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Jimmy Jambone wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Jimmy Jambone wrote:
You guys are the biggest whingers in the history of the world.

Look, one drop of rain on your window pane doesn't mean to say there's a thunderstorm comin', rain may pour for an hour or more, but it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.

Another example, one gentle breeze blowin' softly through the trees doesn't mean to say there's a hurricane hummin', so don't start runnin' ev'ry time you hear it comin', 'cos it doesn't matter, you know it doesn't matter.

Final example, one little word that you may have overheard doesn't mean to say that my love for you is dyin', so don't start cryin' over second hand lyin', say it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.

It's a storm in a teacup, brewing up double all those tiny little troubles. A storm in a teacup,
it really doesn't matter, if it pidder-pidder-padder




s all the day.

Look Jam boner, you need to take yer bellend out of the preserves and get a job. You can't sit there all day making special jam sandwiches for you and your mates. Maybe you should advertise you know, maybe a sandwich board turning a hobbie into a career. Gay for pay on both sides. Earn some money for more jam for you and bubbles.

You know KDG, I never meant to see you again, and I only passed by as a friend. All this time I stayed out of sight, and I started wondering why. You say you don't need me in your life, I guess that you're right. I never meant to cause you no pain, but it looks like I did it again.

Now I, well now I wish it would rain down. Down on me. Oh yes I wish it would rain, rain down on me now. Oh yes. I wish it would rain down. Down on me. I wish it would

rain

on

me

Checked out that you commented on a Rovers story 30 minutes before commenting on a Bumley one, even though they were posted at the same time. Do we really mean that much to you? You really feel drawn to us don't you. Jam jar in one hand p3nis in the other. Do you keep getting windows sticky keys warnings?. Out of you and bubbles, who is the giver?

Jimmy Jam Boner, what happened to the rinsed out pesto jar and turkey baster for your girlfriend Chamone MF?

Were unable to get her up the duffer?

Chamone MF, did you not lean back and pull your legs over your chest so that none of Jimmy Jam Boners muck flowed back and made a wet patch?

Jimmy Jam Boner, the jam jar pounder - and as KDG so memorably pointed out - prefers marmalade with chunks for that ribbed feeling.

Get Hendry in to kick some arses. The guys a legend has a bucket full of honours and a death mask you just don't argue with. FREEEDOOOOMMMMM.

The worst possible scenario is Kean installed as Director of Football (or similar). He could still pull the strings whilst a stooge manager is left to take the stick for the results. Fast forward 12 months, Rovers relegated to League 1, manager goes, Kean still remains. The nightmare goes on.

Cold Side Of The Pillow wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Jimmy Jambone wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Jimmy Jambone wrote:
You guys are the biggest whingers in the history of the world.

Look, one drop of rain on your window pane doesn't mean to say there's a thunderstorm comin', rain may pour for an hour or more, but it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.

Another example, one gentle breeze blowin' softly through the trees doesn't mean to say there's a hurricane hummin', so don't start runnin' ev'ry time you hear it comin', 'cos it doesn't matter, you know it doesn't matter.

Final example, one little word that you may have overheard doesn't mean to say that my love for you is dyin', so don't start cryin' over second hand lyin', say it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.

It's a storm in a teacup, brewing up double all those tiny little troubles. A storm in a teacup,
it really doesn't matter, if it pidder-pidder-padder





s all the day.

Look Jam boner, you need to take yer bellend out of the preserves and get a job. You can't sit there all day making special jam sandwiches for you and your mates. Maybe you should advertise you know, maybe a sandwich board turning a hobbie into a career. Gay for pay on both sides. Earn some money for more jam for you and bubbles.

You know KDG, I never meant to see you again, and I only passed by as a friend. All this time I stayed out of sight, and I started wondering why. You say you don't need me in your life, I guess that you're right. I never meant to cause you no pain, but it looks like I did it again.

Now I, well now I wish it would rain down. Down on me. Oh yes I wish it would rain, rain down on me now. Oh yes. I wish it would rain down. Down on me. I wish it would

rain

on

me

Checked out that you commented on a Rovers story 30 minutes before commenting on a Bumley one, even though they were posted at the same time. Do we really mean that much to you? You really feel drawn to us don't you. Jam jar in one hand p3nis in the other. Do you keep getting windows sticky keys warnings?. Out of you and bubbles, who is the giver?

Jimmy Jam Boner, what happened to the rinsed out pesto jar and turkey baster for your girlfriend Chamone MF?

Were unable to get her up the duffer?

Chamone MF, did you not lean back and pull your legs over your chest so that none of Jimmy Jam Boners muck flowed back and made a wet patch?

Jimmy Jam Boner, the jam jar pounder - and as KDG so memorably pointed out - prefers marmalade with chunks for that ribbed feeling.

Jesus, KDG and Coolside have some ultra-wierd sexual fantasies.
.
Fcuking freaks

peely wrote:
Chris Coleman has been interviewed about a possible role in new management team at Ewood !!! fact !!

How has he been interviewed via video conference from Pune? Do me a favour please.

Jimmy Jambone wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Jimmy Jambone wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

Jimmy Jambone wrote:
You guys are the biggest whingers in the history of the world.

Look, one drop of rain on your window pane doesn't mean to say there's a thunderstorm comin', rain may pour for an hour or more, but it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.

Another example, one gentle breeze blowin' softly through the trees doesn't mean to say there's a hurricane hummin', so don't start runnin' ev'ry time you hear it comin', 'cos it doesn't matter, you know it doesn't matter.

Final example, one little word that you may have overheard doesn't mean to say that my love for you is dyin', so don't start cryin' over second hand lyin', say it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter.

It's a storm in a teacup, brewing up double all those tiny little troubles. A storm in a teacup,
it really doesn't matter, if it pidder-pidder-padder





s all the day.

Look Jam boner, you need to take yer bellend out of the preserves and get a job. You can't sit there all day making special jam sandwiches for you and your mates. Maybe you should advertise you know, maybe a sandwich board turning a hobbie into a career. Gay for pay on both sides. Earn some money for more jam for you and bubbles.

You know KDG, I never meant to see you again, and I only passed by as a friend. All this time I stayed out of sight, and I started wondering why. You say you don't need me in your life, I guess that you're right. I never meant to cause you no pain, but it looks like I did it again.

Now I, well now I wish it would rain down. Down on me. Oh yes I wish it would rain, rain down on me now. Oh yes. I wish it would rain down. Down on me. I wish it would

rain

on

me

Checked out that you commented on a Rovers story 30 minutes before commenting on a Bumley one, even though they were posted at the same time. Do we really mean that much to you? You really feel drawn to us don't you. Jam jar in one hand p3nis in the other. Do you keep getting windows sticky keys warnings?. Out of you and bubbles, who is the giver?

Hmm. You're like a little Sherlock Holmes, observing things, gathering the evidence and making the appropriate judgement. I am very, very impressed.

Soooooo who did I kill? And what room did I do it in?

And your sounding like obsesed freak.

KDG ruthlessly proved what a f*cking sad obsessed nobody you are.

You define yourselve's by your rivalry with BRFC.

It's sad as f*ck, and what's sadder, the rivalry with B*rnley means nowhere near as much to us as it does to you, and secretly, that really gnaws away at you.

Typical of the way Venkys have run things so far. We don't know what is going on because they don't know what is going on. Thing is, can you see Kean being sacked? After all, he knows where the bodies are buried and has already shown he is quick to shout his mouth off........

Seasideblue wrote:

greenscreener wrote:

Keep Darwen Green wrote:

hasslem hasslem wrote:

Seasideblue wrote: Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only). Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible. Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club. Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible. The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing. Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team. Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period. Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place. If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!! Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read. Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe. Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

its an intersting scenario - but it is full of ifs buts and maybes (as are all the other theories too). . however, it doesn't go any way to explaining the stuff about vekevic, formica and rochina not playing. it doesnt explain why we had massive agents fees, it doesn't explain andersen's supposed role and supposed subsequent abandonment - yet retaining his client as #1, it doesn't explain the team being unfit, it doesn't explain kean being tactically incompetent, it doesnt explain why everyone except mrs. desai recognises that kean has a 666 birthmark on his backside, and it doesn't explain why the likes of paul hunt were not in on the act. as deputy ceo - you would have thought he was on message - and yet even last december - he was oblivious to your theory.

I suppose we'll find out one way or another. If they sell all our best players and then put the club up for sale, then the answer is obvious. They will be using the Rovers to prop up their ailing chicken empire. If they sell and hang on in there, bring some more players in to get us back up then the rumours are untrue. Either way it will all come to fruition shortly.

IMHO: Seaside Blues proposition probably has some truth in it, but HH is spot on - There are some underlying issues a) the role of agents and b) the incompetent management of the playing squad that cannot be excused.

I hope KDG is right and that it will come to fruition shortly, but I fear that the chaos is set to rumble on.

Next we'll have some more p1ss poor platitudes about "re-organisatio

ns and trying to keep best players, and looking forward to a pre-season tour of Pune", leading to a squad that disintigrates by August. Then it will be "experienced players let us down, because they wanted to leave, so now we have to give our fantastic young players a chance and build for the future".

I agree it doesn't provide all the answers. For that you have to overlay Venkys business plan with:

1. Their lack of understanding that you cannot just apply a generic business model to league football where there is always a threat of relegation (i.e. incompetence as owners).

2. They appointed an inexperienced manager who was and is not up to the job (i.e. incompetence as a manager).

3. They've been taken to the cleaners by a certain agent who has no doubt milked them for as much as he can get (i.e. greed).

I may be wrong of course, but I don't believe the asset stripping theories. Venkys have staked their reputation on being big time premier league club owners with a club that won the premier league and at the moment that reputation is in tatters. I am pretty sure their intention was to be in at the start of developing professional football in India's huge potential market. Sadly their ignorance and arrogance has just made them look stupid while the club, the town and the fans have suffered the consequences.

I think seasideblue made some great points. HH countered them with some equally great questions and i agree with seasideblue again, "ignorance and arrogance has just made them look stupid while the club, the town and the fans have suffered the consequences."

Quality discussion, really good to read.

Seasideblue wrote:
Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only).

Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible.

Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club.

Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible.

The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing.

Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team.

Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period.

Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place.

If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!!

Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read.

Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe.

Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

So in which division does their business model work ... the Blue Square Premier ?

Seasideblue wrote:
Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only).

Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible.

Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club.

Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible.

The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing.

Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team.

Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period.

Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place.

If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!!

Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read.

Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe.

Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

I think it's definitely close to the truth. Venkys, as an overall company, aren't exactly looking rosy - with an incredible 50%+ loss in share price in the past year. They don't have much, if any, money spare at all. I don't think it was any plan to give us long term stability, more not loose Rovers overall value, whilst cutting overheads, so enabling a sale and profit at the end.

Had it been known, then there is no way that the fans would have wanted Venkys as owners in the first place.

The big question is; was this the plan that Jerome Anderson sold to the Venkys in the first place? Is this their continuing plan?

Was any consideration given to the fans though? If it was at all, then I'm guessing it came well down the list of other considerations. Top of the list would be how much all these greedy selfish leeches could bleed from this club and it's prestige. They are nothing less than parasites.

Jerome Anderson = leech
Steve Kean = leech

And unless something begins to change rapidly, then it's looking more and more like Venkys can be given that tag too. Otherwise they need to tell us or show us why they're not.

just wanted to say that as Man City fan,i think the venky's have brought nothing but troubled times and a manager in charge who clearly does not know what he is doing,I am sure i speak for all city fans when i say get rid of this man asap and appoint a manager who will bring you back to the premiership where you belong, good luck next season from a genuine football fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!

I would have to say in all seriousness that Seaside Blue's statement would make the most sense as to what Venkys were trying to do.
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Most Rovers fans however would prefer to buy into the conspiracy theories though it would seem.

peely wrote:
Get your money on Chris Coleman to be next Rovers boss !! don,t forget you heard it here first !!!

Better than Karl Robinson, the guy is only 31 we need experience. Id be happy with Coleman who else in there right mind would come to Blackburn to work with Kean, Agnew and the Wankys.

peely wrote:
Get your money on Chris Coleman to be next Rovers boss !! don,t forget you heard it here first !!!

Better than Karl Robinson, the guy is only 31 we need experience. Id be happy with Coleman who else in there right mind would come to Blackburn to work with Kean, Agnew and the Wankys.

bburnrover wrote:
I am not buying my family's tickets until I know he has nothing at all to do with buying players,selecting the team and tatics. We deed a strong manager here to take us back up not a clueless puppet like Kean turned out.

Hmmm... whoever will replace him at some time???( if it happens at all) will be responsible to Mrs Desai and her cronies....Yes, Kean out but thats 30% of the problem..I don't think a strong manager would work with the Venky's (Sam Allardyce for example) therefore, another puppet ... I have had enough and I am watching Chorley FC....Venky's have to go!!!

eddio wrote:

Seasideblue wrote: Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only). Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible. Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club. Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible. The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing. Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team. Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period. Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place. If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!! Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read. Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe. Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

Utter tosh, Mr Agnew!

Gary Flitcroft s team -Chorley...

Just heard from my brother (who works in London for Daily Express - though not a Football Journalist), who says that the Football journalists on that newspaper are saying that Kean has been moved upstairs into a "Director of Football" role, having reponsibility for player sales, new signings, player contracts etc. A new first team coach will be appointed (with Kean likely to have a big say in who gets the gig). New first team coach will report directly to Kean.

nwfootballfan wrote:
Just heard from my brother (who works in London for Daily Express - though not a Football Journalist), who says that the Football journalists on that newspaper are saying that Kean has been moved upstairs into a "Director of Football" role, having reponsibility for player sales, new signings, player contracts etc. A new first team coach will be appointed (with Kean likely to have a big say in who gets the gig). New first team coach will report directly to Kean.

Same as at my place of work in the NHS someone does a sh!t job, doesnt have a clue what they are doing, talks crap and smiles a lot, they get a promotion and even more power. This guy was a first team coach and now he is the Director of Football he must have done a deal with the devil. Steve Kean is a F****ING CROOK. (oops)

nwfootballfan wrote:
Just heard from my brother (who works in London for Daily Express - though not a Football Journalist), who says that the Football journalists on that newspaper are saying that Kean has been moved upstairs into a "Director of Football" role, having reponsibility for player sales, new signings, player contracts etc. A new first team coach will be appointed (with Kean likely to have a big say in who gets the gig). New first team coach will report directly to Kean.

Not much point in that. Kean still In charge. New man just scapegoat.

Do not give them a penny!

VENKYS HAVE HAD PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO SACK KEAN...

1. As close as we could get to being relegated in 10/11
2. Losing by 7 at Arsenal (thats what happened to SA after being beaten by 7 at United)
3. Tarnished the club by being prosecuted for drink driving
5. Relegating BRFC to the Championship
4. Slandering SA in public

Add to all that the issues with public fall outs with players and god only knows how he still has a contract, and sane company would have taken good legal advice and binned his services without fear of compensation.... there is only one reason I can see this hasn't happened and that is he MUST have some kind of investment connection to BRFC!!!!

cant believe that it is almost a week since Keanocchio met with the Venky's and we STILL have not heard the outcome....No statement from the club or the owners or the Director of Communications...wha
t a bleeding farce it all is.
I am fast losing the will to even bother looking for the latest news anymore...

Editor
Can you please remove those posts from mischievous intruders who have no interest in this issue and are just here to stir up trouble.
Thank you.

French Rover wrote:
cant believe that it is almost a week since Keanocchio met with the Venky's and we STILL have not heard the outcome....No statement from the club or the owners or the Director of Communications...wha

t a bleeding farce it all is.
I am fast losing the will to even bother looking for the latest news anymore...

Well....Kean and/or Anderson look to be running the show. Anyone on "their team" gets promotion - anyone in their way gets sacked.
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I wonder who will be next in line for a reward on the Kean's Birthday Honours List.

peely wrote:
Chris Coleman has been interviewed about a possible role in new management team at Ewood !!! fact !!

Unless you're referring to the Liberal Democrat Councillor for St Marks ward in Cheltenham you're full of s**t. Chris Coleman is currently preparing to take his Wales squad over to America to play against Mexico. If he'd had an interview they would've had to approach the FAW first and although our owners don't tell us what's going on the FAW wouldn't have been so secretive. Besides, Venky's are cutting costs so they hardly likely to appoint Coleman if it means they'd have to compensate Wales.

smellthecoffee wrote:

French Rover wrote:
cant believe that it is almost a week since Keanocchio met with the Venky's and we STILL have not heard the outcome....No statement from the club or the owners or the Director of Communications...wha


t a bleeding farce it all is.
I am fast losing the will to even bother looking for the latest news anymore...

Well....Kean and/or Anderson look to be running the show. Anyone on "their team" gets promotion - anyone in their way gets sacked.
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I wonder who will be next in line for a reward on the Kean's Birthday Honours List.

Well it certainly won't be any of us on here!

nwfootballfan wrote:
Just heard from my brother (who works in London for Daily Express - though not a Football Journalist), who says that the Football journalists on that newspaper are saying that Kean has been moved upstairs into a "Director of Football" role, having reponsibility for player sales, new signings, player contracts etc. A new first team coach will be appointed (with Kean likely to have a big say in who gets the gig). New first team coach will report directly to Kean.

If this is true then this would be a massive middle finger up to the supporters.

It is really sad times for Rovers fans and I do not understand why the FA, or a similar governing body, is not protecting one of its member clubs.

Have a read of this article as well: http://footballspeak
.com/post/2012/05/11
/Where-the-FA-as-Rov
ers.aspx

Seasideblue wrote:
Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only).

Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible.

Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club.

Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible.

The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing.

Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team.

Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period.

Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place.

If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!!

Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read.

Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe.

Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

Where in your assumptions do you face the fact that Venks don't consider fans' opinions on anything, and are quite antagonistic in their solutions? If many of these problems were accidental, they would be sensible to make up for their mistakes, but choose to ignore anything they have created and carry on regardless. If they are not to learn from their mistakes, they are steamrolling the club in a different direction than is sought by everyone who cares for it.

The problem with the "long term" Venkys' plan theory, is that it is based on Keano getting us back into the Premiership based on a much reduced playing staff in terms of quality. The good youngsters from the Youth team aren't ready enough (Kids don't win the Championship), so it means cut price signings.
If Keano goes upstairs, who is the experienced manager to get us back into the Premiership ? On the one hand there are several out-of-work would-be's - McCarthy, Coleman, Curbs, Bruce - but they'd all cost money and also have to buckle down to accepting Keano as overall supremo.
The cheapo solution is Black, he fits the bill, low cost and Keano croney.
The most awful prospect is that deluded Ms Desai might have bought the notion of "unlucky" relegation and has given Keano the chance to get us back into the Premiership.
So as long as Venkys are there, it will take another disastrous season before the staggering truth dawns, namely that Keano couldn't keep Stanley in the 2nd division.
By the way, that's where I'll be next season, giving Stanley my hard earned shilling.
I am praying every night that financial catastrophe overtakes Venky Rovers; it's the only way of hastening a better future.
No one will buy Rovers at Venkys price and though I support the Community Club idea, there's no way such a consortium could buy-out Venkys.
The "seeing the Minister" is a nice little bit of propaganda but won't affect Venkys in the slightest.

peely wrote:
Get your money on Chris Coleman to be next Rovers boss !! don,t forget you heard it here first !!!

Sorry peely, I said SEM's Chris Coleman would take the job back in December after the Bolton defeat. But he has since taken the Wales job so not sure on that one now.

wrote:

have already bought a season ticket but hey sh-- happens.wont be going though until this egotistical maniac leaves the club.bring on the empty stadium.

gleechy wrote:

Seasideblue wrote:
Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only).

Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible.

Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club.

Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible.

The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing.

Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team.

Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period.

Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place.

If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!!

Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read.

Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe.

Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

Where in your assumptions do you face the fact that Venks don't consider fans' opinions on anything, and are quite antagonistic in their solutions? If many of these problems were accidental, they would be sensible to make up for their mistakes, but choose to ignore anything they have created and carry on regardless. If they are not to learn from their mistakes, they are steamrolling the club in a different direction than is sought by everyone who cares for it.

Seasideblue's guess about what is going on has a logic to it. The direction sought by most who care for it, is that the Venkys pay the wages of expensive players, but they aren't going to do that. I am surprised that they could have been prepared to accept relegation. I would not have thought that a young Championship team was part of their strategy, if they had one. Rumours of change at the academy and sale of part of Brockhall don't sit comfortably with that as well. However, cutting the wage bill had to be part of a strategy for the long term, but so did keeping the customers happy.

harwoodblue wrote:

nwfootballfan wrote: Just heard from my brother (who works in London for Daily Express - though not a Football Journalist), who says that the Football journalists on that newspaper are saying that Kean has been moved upstairs into a "Director of Football" role, having reponsibility for player sales, new signings, player contracts etc. A new first team coach will be appointed (with Kean likely to have a big say in who gets the gig). New first team coach will report directly to Kean.

Same as at my place of work in the NHS someone does a sh!t job, doesnt have a clue what they are doing, talks crap and smiles a lot, they get a promotion and even more power. This guy was a first team coach and now he is the Director of Football he must have done a deal with the devil. Steve Kean is a F****ING CROOK. (oops)

Venky's have put him there!!!

Just when you thought all was lost.
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Listening to talkSpurs sports news just heard that macclesfield have appointed steve kean as their manager - bummer! misheard it is steve king!......if only!

No chance of me renewing my season ticket if SK has any position within the club, if they can't sack him with his record he must have some other hold on them, what about some proper investigative journalism? Any takers in the press corps?

the walker trust should never allowed a bunch of indians to take over the club, END OF. jack would have been turning in his grave when that was allowed to happen.

Seasideblue wrote:
Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only).

Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible.

Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club.

Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible.

The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing.

Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team.

Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period.

Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place.

If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!!

Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read.

Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe.

Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

Pretty much spot on. Venkys do not have a sinister agenda that some people seem to love to believe, but their communication skills need vast improvement.

Maybe thats why they've appointed a communication bod?

They did though say this when a while back, it is unlikely that a company like Venkys that made its money from scratch instead of inheritance or drilling out of the ground, unless they know its a worthwhile investment.

Few of us can see any silver lining at the moment and with good reason, but at this moment in time I would be happy for Venkys to realise that Kean has lost the respect of the supporters and whilst they may want to retain his services, a change of manager is a must - hopefully someone who can quickly restore the faith of the supporters by changing the game and getting us the wins that we have been missing under Kean.

For all the bluster, anger and outrage of the fans, we are a quickly forgiving if maybe not forgiving lot and we will get behind you if you show us that you can make it work this season and get us, if not back, then on the road back to the premiership.

*forgiving if not forgetting I meant to say.

hasslem hasslem wrote:
Just when you thought all was lost.
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Listening to talkSpurs sports news just heard that macclesfield have appointed steve kean as their manager - bummer! misheard it is steve king!......if only!

Hes not even good enough for Macclesfield. Anyway, I'm a strong believe that you don't offload your problems onto someone else.

Lets face it, he needs to go back on Job Training and look for another career. I would have preferred him to stay in India and work in the Call Centres, he would have been perfect, but with my luck he'd probably end up ringing me trying to tell me I'd "won" a brand new phone..

John Williams pursued a delicate balancing act by keeping wages high. He was really honest about it and we saw exactly where the money was spent. It actually enabled a club like Rovers to punch above their weight and stay in the Premiership for over 10 years. He must be as upset as the fans (and perhaps a little guilty he was deceived) to see that torn up by owners with absolutely no vision or care about football.

Not putting money in and losing that balance is to the detriment of the football club, even if there is an alternative low-wage business model. All this talk of 'putting the club on a sound financial footing' is absolute ****.

Football is about competing and Rovers were doing that. That's why all the fans are so against changing it.

Complicit Kean has to go. Such dishonesty - and to think he is setting up a management structure.

The point of no return has gone.

Kean - leave or the fans stay away. Simple.

DaBoss wrote:

hasslem hasslem wrote: Just when you thought all was lost. . Listening to talkSpurs sports news just heard that macclesfield have appointed steve kean as their manager - bummer! misheard it is steve king!......if only!

Hes not even good enough for Macclesfield. Anyway, I'm a strong believe that you don't offload your problems onto someone else. Lets face it, he needs to go back on Job Training and look for another career. I would have preferred him to stay in India and work in the Call Centres, he would have been perfect, but with my luck he'd probably end up ringing me trying to tell me I'd "won" a brand new phone..

Yeah and you would make 2 phone calls then the phone would not be used again because of contract issues.

No more guessing

You heard it here

STEVE KEAN WILL BE MANAGER OF BLACKBURN ROVERS FOR NEXT SEASON

why they are holing out on this info i dont know but he is here to stay....

The Rovers fans have been **** on from a great height

Boycott is the only way forward now... Please fellow Rovers fans boycott

May be I'm clutching at straws, but if SK was back in the country on friday, with a) the same job he had when he left or b) a new job which actually gave him the same / more power than before, why is he not screaming the "good" news from the rooftops?
I'm not sure what is going on, but I have a feeling (and I really hope I'm right!) that we are going to be surprised - maybe even pleasantly!
I posted on friday that I had heard a rumour that he had been offered a position in India, setting up an international / Indian football academy. If that is true, it would explain his remarkable silence: he has a huge decision to make regarding his future. I am stuck to Twitter and every other possible source of info at the moment and I am getting increasingly frustrated, but all we can really do is wait until someone decides to make a decision which is, I feel the problem: someone has to make up their mind about something, and until they do, we are stuck in limbo.

ladysal wrote:
May be I'm clutching at straws, but if SK was back in the country on friday, with a) the same job he had when he left or b) a new job which actually gave him the same / more power than before, why is he not screaming the "good" news from the rooftops?
I'm not sure what is going on, but I have a feeling (and I really hope I'm right!) that we are going to be surprised - maybe even pleasantly!
I posted on friday that I had heard a rumour that he had been offered a position in India, setting up an international / Indian football academy. If that is true, it would explain his remarkable silence: he has a huge decision to make regarding his future. I am stuck to Twitter and every other possible source of info at the moment and I am getting increasingly frustrated, but all we can really do is wait until someone decides to make a decision which is, I feel the problem: someone has to make up their mind about something, and until they do, we are stuck in limbo.

yes but surely somebody would know and say something,,,think we been done

"Kean has his own management team in mind"

Why is Steve Kean deciding what the management infrastructure of the club should look like? He's only the manager of the football team isn't he?

Come on - somebody have look into what's going on here FFS

mcfcok wrote:
just wanted to say that as Man City fan,i think the venky's have brought nothing but troubled times and a manager in charge who clearly does not know what he is doing,I am sure i speak for all city fans when i say get rid of this man asap and appoint a manager who will bring you back to the premiership where you belong, good luck next season from a genuine football fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Nice sentiment as a football fan mcfcok but unfortunately, as I have said for years with regard to any football club, wherever you are at any time is where you deserve to be. Rovers belong in the championship because they simply weren't good enough to stay up, just like City (I am delighted to say) deserve to be champions. There is no such thing as a premier league club, there are only clubs who are in the prem at any given time.
Incidentally as a lover of irony isn't it strange that Kean, who has been an unmitigated disaster for 18 months at Rovers, is still there while a man who has guided Chelsea to their Champions League victory still hasn't secured a permanent job there. As Jimmy Greaves would have said, "It's a funny old game, Saint".
Finally, before all the blues start moaning about yet another "dingle" on their site the reason is quite simple: it's just more fun than ours at the moment.

What’s wrong with a hard drinking Scot? You say it as if drinking is a bad thing. I bet you all like the odd jar on a Friday after work.

Look at Fergie and what he has achieved in the game and then look how red his nose is. I’m not saying having a red hooter is the be all and end all in football management, but you have to admit it does go to show that you can drink AND be successful in the football game.

I say you should keep Kean – you lot just haven’t given him a chance yet. But instead of berating him, and calling him “Keanochio” and “Gollum” and "alkie". How is that constructive?

Get Dalglish and Souness in - working under Kean's guidance to help with the running of the team –I know Dalglish had a bad season but with Souness in attendance to help him I think it could work. Dalglish has a lot to offer to the game still and remember what he achieved with Backburn before.

Colin Hendry should get his chance as well in some capacity. He could train the defenders, Souness the midfielders and Dalglish could train the creative midfielders and strikers. One exercise I thought might work is the old “keepie uppy” with cans of beer. First with empty cans but then to raise the skill level with full cans. The first man to drop the can has to open it fizzing into an eyeball of his choosing and then down it in one. They’ll soon learn not to drop the can and pretty soon you’ll have a team that can perform keepie uppy with a full beer can better than any team in the land. Unless Arsenal do a similar thing in which case you’ll have the second best team in the land.

But getting back to Scotsmen – which you lot seem to have some kind of problem with. How about getting Gordon Strachan to work underneath Kean in some capacity as well as Souness and Dalglish and Hendry? I’m sure he will offer a level of ginger truculence which will challenge the Venky’s dominance. Perhaps Kean’s weakness – and this is his only weakness in a strong skill set, is that he is perhaps unwilling to tell it to the Venky’s straight. This probably comes out of good manners and respect, the mark of a good upbringing.

Also, I think they could establish a Boot Room, you know, the Boot Room that worked so well at Anfield? Where they would sit and drink whiskey and discuss tactics. Souey, Kean, Hendry and Strachan could prosper in this sort of environment.

I would draw the line at Alan Hansen though. I just don’t think the man has got it in him. He’d never last 2 weeks at the club because although he’s Scottish he doesn’t have the character of a real Scotsman. He isn't really a "man" at all, as I would define one.

They could put a dart board in the Boot room and get Jockey Wilson to join them. I know Jockey’s become withdrawn from society recently , but maybe they could put a bed in the Boot Room and let jockey live and sleep there so when they come down after a home victory to celebrate with a few pints o’ heavy, Jockey would already be waiting for them to play darts, with a smile and a toothless grin with a bottle of Bells whiskey in his hand. It’d be great for morale.

Or would you rather have the namby pamby politically correct Gary Lineker in charge? You probably would.

You see I get the impression with you Lancastrians that you’ve allowed yourselves to be walked all over by these new owners. This could never happen in Scotland.

Or indeed in Yorkshire. If this were Leeds, if the supporters wanted the owners out they would darned well drum them out of town. They’ve got that bit more fire and passion in them have the Yorkshire folk. And they don’t allow people to take liberties.

Blackburn supporters take note.

Kean's here to stay. That much is for sure and has been confirmed, by the appointment of his only backer at the club, that sly 'Rovers fan' Paul Agnew, to the board of directors.

If we were looking for confirmation on whether Kean remains or not - there it is.

The 'best' we can hope for is that Kean moves into an academy position, where the poison will be less detrimental to the first team.

Its more likely he will be Director of Football, on the board of directors, with some muppet of a coach acting on Kean's orders. Step forward Eric Black.

Kean will probably welcome the move. He keeps his salary and influence at the club, still basically determines transfers/team selection but can hide away and let someone else take the abuse next season. He knows he's a failure, time for somebody else to be the focus of the media attention.

Why the delay in announcement? I imagine its partly due to the abysmal communication at the club but more because Kean is all too aware of the reaction that will occur when it is confirmed he is staying at the club. So he has a 5* holiday with OUR club's money, comes back in a week or two and then gently lets the news out, hoping that when he does the media spotlight will have moved on to the Euros etc. and people can forget about the Youtube video and his horrific performance as 'manager'. He's not as stupid as he sounds and looks.

another possible reason for no announcement from venkys is maybe There is a clause in keans contract that after a certain date (I'm hearing Wednesday on twitter) they could sack kean and pay little or no compensation

One Ronnie Clayton wrote:
another possible reason for no announcement from venkys is maybe There is a clause in keans contract that after a certain date (I'm hearing Wednesday on twitter) they could sack kean and pay little or no compensation

It's a great thing is optimism

The Mighty Weetabix wrote:

One Ronnie Clayton wrote:
another possible reason for no announcement from venkys is maybe There is a clause in keans contract that after a certain date (I'm hearing Wednesday on twitter) they could sack kean and pay little or no compensation

It's a great thing is optimism

more like clutching at straws

If no one goes into the ground until 3.15 on the first home game of the season and Venky's have the pleasure of the ensuing bad publicity then it may just send the message that's obviously not being received.

I am not sure what more SK can do to show his total ineptitude and incompetence so you can't help thinking there is more to this than meets the eye!

good to see the big improvement in communications lately !

The Mighty Weetabix wrote:

One Ronnie Clayton wrote:
another possible reason for no announcement from venkys is maybe There is a clause in keans contract that after a certain date (I'm hearing Wednesday on twitter) they could sack kean and pay little or no compensation

It's a great thing is optimism

more like clutching at straws

maybe 'they're' cooking up something special?

B*LL*CKS ROVERS FC

jack01 wrote:
Kean's here to stay. That much is for sure and has been confirmed, by the appointment of his only backer at the club, that sly 'Rovers fan' Paul Agnew, to the board of directors. If we were looking for confirmation on whether Kean remains or not - there it is. The 'best' we can hope for is that Kean moves into an academy position, where the poison will be less detrimental to the first team. Its more likely he will be Director of Football, on the board of directors, with some muppet of a coach acting on Kean's orders. Step forward Eric Black. Kean will probably welcome the move. He keeps his salary and influence at the club, still basically determines transfers/team selection but can hide away and let someone else take the abuse next season. He knows he's a failure, time for somebody else to be the focus of the media attention. Why the delay in announcement? I imagine its partly due to the abysmal communication at the club but more because Kean is all too aware of the reaction that will occur when it is confirmed he is staying at the club. So he has a 5* holiday with OUR club's money, comes back in a week or two and then gently lets the news out, hoping that when he does the media spotlight will have moved on to the Euros etc. and people can forget about the Youtube video and his horrific performance as 'manager'. He's not as stupid as he sounds and looks.

Of course he's staying - you've called it exactly right. There's another two years of this whilst they all milk the parachute payments dry and sell off all the assets. Not sure they'd get anything like a decent manager to come and work under fottball genius Kean or the Venky's regime so it'll be another unknown yes man like Black on the 'corporate' payroll with a brief to shaft the club. Feel like supporting Blackpool until this disgraceful set of charlatans have all gone.

maybe 'they're' cooking up something special?

B*LL*CKS ROVERS FC

maybe 'they're' cooking up something special?

B*LL*CKS ROVERS FC

Its not just Rovers fans questioning what is going on now, every football fan I speak to is saying there must be something seriously wrong with OUR club

The worse bit is the only action fans can realistically take is a boycott which will lead them to asset strip at an even quicker pace than they have now

Ishakhtaroverdonetsk wrote:
"Kean has his own management team in mind" Why is Steve Kean deciding what the management infrastructure of the club should look like? He's only the manager of the football team isn't he? Come on - somebody have look into what's going on here FFS

I bet he does - and you're right, what the **** does he know about running a business?!!!!!

Latest rumour is that Brian Rix turned down the managers job - its too much of a farce, even for him.

in the future??????????????
????

B*LL*CKS ROVERS FC

jack01 wrote:
Kean's here to stay. That much is for sure and has been confirmed, by the appointment of his only backer at the club, that sly 'Rovers fan' Paul Agnew, to the board of directors.

If we were looking for confirmation on whether Kean remains or not - there it is.

The 'best' we can hope for is that Kean moves into an academy position, where the poison will be less detrimental to the first team.

Its more likely he will be Director of Football, on the board of directors, with some muppet of a coach acting on Kean's orders. Step forward Eric Black.

Kean will probably welcome the move. He keeps his salary and influence at the club, still basically determines transfers/team selection but can hide away and let someone else take the abuse next season. He knows he's a failure, time for somebody else to be the focus of the media attention.

Why the delay in announcement? I imagine its partly due to the abysmal communication at the club but more because Kean is all too aware of the reaction that will occur when it is confirmed he is staying at the club. So he has a 5* holiday with OUR club's money, comes back in a week or two and then gently lets the news out, hoping that when he does the media spotlight will have moved on to the Euros etc. and people can forget about the Youtube video and his horrific performance as 'manager'. He's not as stupid as he sounds and looks.

I am sure the appointment of Kean as Director of football will be a popular appointment, as I am sure that Desai has conducted research on the fans opinions of such an appointment. Desai has the best interests of her customers at heart in all of this, so we need not worry, and I am sure Kean will be removed from the club and not hold a position in any capacity.

Kean is here to stay for four years get used to it he is doing a good job.

Seasideblue wrote:

adcr wrote:

hasslem hasslem wrote:

Seasideblue wrote:
Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only).

Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible.

Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club.

Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible.

The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing.

Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team.

Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period.

Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place.

If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!!

Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read.

Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe.

Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

its an intersting scenario - but it is full of ifs buts and maybes (as are all the other theories too).
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however, it doesn't go any way to explaining the stuff about vekevic, formica and rochina not playing. it doesnt explain why we had massive agents fees, it doesn't explain andersen's supposed role and supposed subsequent abandonment - yet retaining his client as #1, it doesn't explain the team being unfit, it doesn't explain kean being tactically incompetent, it doesnt explain why everyone except mrs. desai recognises that kean has a 666 birthmark on his backside, and it doesn't explain why the likes of paul hunt were not in on the act. as deputy ceo - you would have thought he was on message - and yet even last december - he was oblivious to your theory.

Also, Rovers top players were/are payed the going rate and no more. By getting rid of all our top players and top earners, all we are doing as well as reducing the wage bill, is reducing the quality and value of the team.

If the plan is to get back into the premier league, then, IF we ever get back there, we will AGAIN be required to pay the going rate (transfer fees, wages), or face a mass exodus of our best players. It just becomes a vicious circle if you don't pay the going rate.

Not all clubs follow that model. Blackpool don't pay the going rate nor huge agents fees. Agreed they didn't manage to get back in the Premier league this season, but they are now financially secure and as a club their size, history, fan base etc is very similar to that of Rovers (even if we don't want to admit it).

Sorry for late reply been busy all day. Fair point, but, don't forget as soon as a player makes a reputation for himself he will be off. Charlie Adam was turned as soon as he knew that he could earn much more somewhere else. We have countless examples of players such as Benni Mcarthy, Santa Cruz, Craig Bellamy etc. and they would never have come to Rovers if they weren't earning good money. And even players who were initially on modest wages such as Olsson and Nzonzi (who have been tracked for ages by big clubs), might have left us a couple of years ago if we hadn’t upped their wages. Selling players before they reach their prime, just because they asked for a pay rise is a bad strategy. And if we don’t sell them they will just walk on a free.

kfc yummy wrote:
Kean is here to stay for four years get used to it he is doing a good job.

Still see you got six fingers...pr1ck

Just been on sky sports news that our Hero Steve Kean has signed a new four year contract as manager. He will also be given a pay rise to bump his salary up to £1.8 million a year. steve has promised to stay for the full four years of this superb contract.

What’s wrong with a hard drinking Scot? You say it as if drinking is a bad thing. I bet you all like the odd jar on a Friday after work.

Look at Fergie and what he has achieved in the game and then look how red his nose is. I’m not saying having a red hooter is the be all and end all in football management, but you have to admit it does go to show that you can drink AND be successful in the football game.

I say you should keep Kean – you lot just haven’t given him a chance yet. But instead of berating him, and calling him “Keanochio” and “Gollum” and "alkie". How is that constructive?

Get Dalglish and Souness in - working under Kean's guidance to help with the running of the team –I know Dalglish had a bad season but with Souness in attendance to help him I think it could work. Dalglish has a lot to offer to the game still and remember what he achieved with Backburn before.

Colin Hendry should get his chance as well in some capacity. He could train the defenders, Souness the midfielders and Dalglish could train the creative midfielders and strikers. One exercise I thought might work is the old “keepie uppy” with cans of beer. First with empty cans but then to raise the skill level with full cans. The first man to drop the can has to open it fizzing into an eyeball of his choosing and then down it in one. They’ll soon learn not to drop the can and pretty soon you’ll have a team that can perform keepie uppy with a full beer can better than any team in the land. Unless Arsenal do a similar thing in which case you’ll have the second best team in the land.

But getting back to Scotsmen – which you lot seem to have some kind of problem with. How about getting Gordon Strachan to work underneath Kean in some capacity as well as Souness and Dalglish and Hendry? I’m sure he will offer a level of ginger truculence which will challenge the Venky’s dominance. Perhaps Kean’s weakness – and this is his only weakness in a strong skill set, is that he is perhaps unwilling to tell it to the Venky’s straight. This probably comes out of good manners and respect, the mark of a good upbringing.

Also, I think they could establish a Boot Room, you know, the Boot Room that worked so well at Anfield? Where they would sit and drink whiskey and discuss tactics. Souey, Kean, Hendry and Strachan could prosper in this sort of environment.

I would draw the line at Alan Hansen though. I just don’t think the man has got it in him. He’d never last 2 weeks at the club because although he’s Scottish he doesn’t have the character of a real Scotsman. He isn't really a "man" at all, as I would define one.

They could put a dart board in the Boot room and get Jockey Wilson to join them. I know Jockey’s become withdrawn from society recently , but maybe they could put a bed in the Boot Room and let jockey live and sleep there so when they come down after a home victory to celebrate with a few pints o’ heavy, Jockey would already be waiting for them to play darts, with a smile and a toothless grin with a bottle of Bells whiskey in his hand. It’d be great for morale.

Or would you rather have the namby pamby politically correct Gary Lineker in charge? You probably would.

You see I get the impression with you Lancastrians that you’ve allowed yourselves to be walked all over by these new owners. This could never happen in Scotland.

Or indeed in Yorkshire. If this were Leeds, if the supporters wanted the owners out they would darned well drum them out of town. They’ve got that bit more fire and passion in them have the Yorkshire folk. And they don’t allow people to take liberties.

Blackburn supporters take note.

Roy of the wrote:
I no longer accept this nonsense that Kean is hanging on because Mrs Desai wants it that way. That is clearly nonsense.
Something else is going on!

Totally agree with your comment.

I believe that anderson & kean have a stranglehold on the venky's and are powerless to do anything about it.

Until venky's,kean & anderson are completely out of blackburn then we will be able to move forward & until then i am afraid we are in danger of losing our club.

DaBoss wrote:

Seasideblue wrote:
Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only).

Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible.

Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club.

Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible.

The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing.

Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team.

Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period.

Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place.

If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!!

Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read.

Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe.

Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

Pretty much spot on. Venkys do not have a sinister agenda that some people seem to love to believe, but their communication skills need vast improvement.

Maybe thats why they've appointed a communication bod?

They did though say this when a while back, it is unlikely that a company like Venkys that made its money from scratch instead of inheritance or drilling out of the ground, unless they know its a worthwhile investment.

Few of us can see any silver lining at the moment and with good reason, but at this moment in time I would be happy for Venkys to realise that Kean has lost the respect of the supporters and whilst they may want to retain his services, a change of manager is a must - hopefully someone who can quickly restore the faith of the supporters by changing the game and getting us the wins that we have been missing under Kean.

For all the bluster, anger and outrage of the fans, we are a quickly forgiving if maybe not forgiving lot and we will get behind you if you show us that you can make it work this season and get us, if not back, then on the road back to the premiership.

speak for yourself. Oh you did.

houseclaret wrote:

mcfcok wrote:
just wanted to say that as Man City fan,i think the venky's have brought nothing but troubled times and a manager in charge who clearly does not know what he is doing,I am sure i speak for all city fans when i say get rid of this man asap and appoint a manager who will bring you back to the premiership where you belong, good luck next season from a genuine football fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Nice sentiment as a football fan mcfcok but unfortunately, as I have said for years with regard to any football club, wherever you are at any time is where you deserve to be. Rovers belong in the championship because they simply weren't good enough to stay up, just like City (I am delighted to say) deserve to be champions. There is no such thing as a premier league club, there are only clubs who are in the prem at any given time.
Incidentally as a lover of irony isn't it strange that Kean, who has been an unmitigated disaster for 18 months at Rovers, is still there while a man who has guided Chelsea to their Champions League victory still hasn't secured a permanent job there. As Jimmy Greaves would have said, "It's a funny old game, Saint".
Finally, before all the blues start moaning about yet another "dingle" on their site the reason is quite simple: it's just more fun than ours at the moment.

Blimey, I actually find myself agreeing with a dingle and a citeh fan! Fans of all clubs should be worried that despicable owners such as the Venkys can buy a club and then systematically dismantle what has taken years to build up with no repercussions. These people are not only a blight on Blackburn Rovers, but on the whole of English football.

Just back from a 15 mile cycle ride, what have i missed?

nontetleysdog wrote:
Just been on sky sports news that our Hero Steve Kean has signed a new four year contract as manager. He will also be given a pay rise to bump his salary up to £1.8 million a year. steve has promised to stay for the full four years of this superb contract.

Bullsh&t

did you smash it? wrote:
I would have to say in all seriousness that Seaside Blue's statement would make the most sense as to what Venkys were trying to do.
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Most Rovers fans however would prefer to buy into the conspiracy theories though it would seem.

Oh bugger off you.

Don't come that with us.

You post bitter deluded obsessive hatred 99% of the time and then think you can make a fair, valid point?

What are you blathering on about, "conspiracy theories"?

So, you don't believe that rich people sit in rooms and plan things?

Everything's is a a theory, no?

Osama Bin Laden blew up the World Trade Centre is a "conspiracy theory", it's just the accepted orthodox "conspiracy theory", that's all.

Why is what seaside blue wrote any less of a conspiracy theory than any of the others?

Stop talking clap trap.

Perhaps Venkys are seeking a replacement for Kean before sacking him.

However, I doubt that they are competent enough to do this.

I cannot believe that Desai is going to allow this plank to build a power base within the club. It obvious that the Rao brothers have no balls or they would tell their sister to wise up, matriarch or not.

houseclaret wrote:

mcfcok wrote:
just wanted to say that as Man City fan,i think the venky's have brought nothing but troubled times and a manager in charge who clearly does not know what he is doing,I am sure i speak for all city fans when i say get rid of this man asap and appoint a manager who will bring you back to the premiership where you belong, good luck next season from a genuine football fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!

Nice sentiment as a football fan mcfcok but unfortunately, as I have said for years with regard to any football club, wherever you are at any time is where you deserve to be. Rovers belong in the championship because they simply weren't good enough to stay up, just like City (I am delighted to say) deserve to be champions. There is no such thing as a premier league club, there are only clubs who are in the prem at any given time.
Incidentally as a lover of irony isn't it strange that Kean, who has been an unmitigated disaster for 18 months at Rovers, is still there while a man who has guided Chelsea to their Champions League victory still hasn't secured a permanent job there. As Jimmy Greaves would have said, "It's a funny old game, Saint".
Finally, before all the blues start moaning about yet another "dingle" on their site the reason is quite simple: it's just more fun than ours at the moment.

That's because you sad **** wits spend more time on here obsessing about your bigger rival than you do your own team.

Rovers aren't in the Premier League because they were not good enough as you so smugly put it, you arrogant B*rnley b*stard, it is because they were ripped apart by the Venky's and Kean.

Now f*ck off home.

ANDY CRYER
please be the voice of the people of blackburn , urge all on the front page not to re-new season tickets ,this club dont belong to blackburn no more ,the venkys and kean are making the people of our town redundant ,and taking what bit of enjoyment the fans have at weekends after a hard weeks graft , whilst these people are in control ,Blackburn will be a much gloomier town ,speak up for us ,show all who read the telegraph the way forward ,b.r.a.g and brsit and any other organisation must be one in all this ,we need protests thru the summer ,,urge all the fans to go along to ewood each home game and protest outside the stadium ,come on andy ,lets get these bstds out of town .

I've heard some great footie jokes in my time but King Kenny and Souey working "under the guidance of Kean" is by far the best I've ever heard.

It's probably just nothing but the story on the official Rovers website about our pre-season friendly against Rochdale says, "Steve Kean's side will take on Rochdale at Spotland..."

I wonder if that was Mr Agnew's first bit of business when he got into the office this morning?

philmoulden wrote:
ANDY CRYER
please be the voice of the people of blackburn , urge all on the front page not to re-new season tickets ,this club dont belong to blackburn no more ,the venkys and kean are making the people of our town redundant ,and taking what bit of enjoyment the fans have at weekends after a hard weeks graft , whilst these people are in control ,Blackburn will be a much gloomier town ,speak up for us ,show all who read the telegraph the way forward ,b.r.a.g and brsit and any other organisation must be one in all this ,we need protests thru the summer ,,urge all the fans to go along to ewood each home game and protest outside the stadium ,come on andy ,lets get these bstds out of town .

Absolutely. It's important that we are not swept under the carpet as Portsmouth, Coventry etc have. I feel that that there is a change in the media's feelings towards the fans and Andy Cryer needs to keep this going. There are major events over the summer the Olympics, Euros, Wimbledon, Cricket, festivals get those Venky's Out banners everywhere so that these snakes have no where to hide. Photo finish in mens 100m and in the background a 'Venky's out' banner. I liked the one with 'Fedder says Kean Out' in the tennis last year.
RTID

dallarover wrote:
If no one goes into the ground until 3.15 on the first home game of the season and Venky's have the pleasure of the ensuing bad publicity then it may just send the message that's obviously not being received.

I am not sure what more SK can do to show his total ineptitude and incompetence so you can't help thinking there is more to this than meets the eye!

If it is confirmed that he is staying,then we can't wait until the first game of the season to begin our protests.There needs to be a big rally in Witton Park where all fans against Steve Kean turn up and demonstrate their anger.If that doesn't get the headlines nothing will!!!

houseclaret wrote:

mcfcok wrote:
just wanted to say that as Man City fan,i think the venky's have brought nothing but troubled times and a manager in charge who clearly does not know what he is doing,I am sure i speak for all city fans when i say get rid of this man asap and appoint a manager who will bring you back to the premiership where you belong, good luck next season from a genuine football fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!

Nice sentiment as a football fan mcfcok but unfortunately, as I have said for years with regard to any football club, wherever you are at any time is where you deserve to be. Rovers belong in the championship because they simply weren't good enough to stay up, just like City (I am delighted to say) deserve to be champions. There is no such thing as a premier league club, there are only clubs who are in the prem at any given time.
Incidentally as a lover of irony isn't it strange that Kean, who has been an unmitigated disaster for 18 months at Rovers, is still there while a man who has guided Chelsea to their Champions League victory still hasn't secured a permanent job there. As Jimmy Greaves would have said, "It's a funny old game, Saint".
Finally, before all the blues start moaning about yet another "dingle" on their site the reason is quite simple: it's just more fun than ours at the moment.

If you need a lift getting back down that city fan's ars just let yer chums know, an try to keep to yer own filthy boards,he wasn't talking to a **** sucre.

gleechy wrote:

houseclaret wrote:

mcfcok wrote:
just wanted to say that as Man City fan,i think the venky's have brought nothing but troubled times and a manager in charge who clearly does not know what he is doing,I am sure i speak for all city fans when i say get rid of this man asap and appoint a manager who will bring you back to the premiership where you belong, good luck next season from a genuine football fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



!

Nice sentiment as a football fan mcfcok but unfortunately, as I have said for years with regard to any football club, wherever you are at any time is where you deserve to be. Rovers belong in the championship because they simply weren't good enough to stay up, just like City (I am delighted to say) deserve to be champions. There is no such thing as a premier league club, there are only clubs who are in the prem at any given time.
Incidentally as a lover of irony isn't it strange that Kean, who has been an unmitigated disaster for 18 months at Rovers, is still there while a man who has guided Chelsea to their Champions League victory still hasn't secured a permanent job there. As Jimmy Greaves would have said, "It's a funny old game, Saint".
Finally, before all the blues start moaning about yet another "dingle" on their site the reason is quite simple: it's just more fun than ours at the moment.

If you need a lift getting back down that city fan's ars just let yer chums know, an try to keep to yer own filthy boards,he wasn't talking to a **** sucre.

Ha ha quality!

This whole situation is becoming more surreal by the minute.

Useless man at his existing job and without the ability to run a bath now in charge of appointing board members having had no experience of any such job in his life.

I remain sceptical about all the conspiracy theories, Kean "owning" the club etc. etc. but this is getting too f@cking weird for me I'm afraid.

I need to go and sit down.

http://www.rovers.co
.uk/page/NewsDetail/
0,,10303~2781486,00.
html


looks like he aint going anywhere, posted today.

You see I get the impression with you Lancastrians that you’ve allowed yourselves to be walked all over by these new owners. This could never happen in Scotland.

Ref. Mr giantWeetabix.
Really..............
Then please explain how Craig Whyte is allowed to sit happily in his 10 million pound castle a stones throw from Ibrox,Brave Billy boys hey.......

he is not gonna be manager. now we have communication in order i cant see the problem. hasn't it improved in the last few days ? i am joking. no way is the hopeless non dignified bugger in charge of anything. he wasn't in charge last year. he never was. he's just an idiot. wish he was abroad !

Cold Side Of The Pillow wrote:

houseclaret wrote:

mcfcok wrote:
just wanted to say that as Man City fan,i think the venky's have brought nothing but troubled times and a manager in charge who clearly does not know what he is doing,I am sure i speak for all city fans when i say get rid of this man asap and appoint a manager who will bring you back to the premiership where you belong, good luck next season from a genuine football fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



!

Nice sentiment as a football fan mcfcok but unfortunately, as I have said for years with regard to any football club, wherever you are at any time is where you deserve to be. Rovers belong in the championship because they simply weren't good enough to stay up, just like City (I am delighted to say) deserve to be champions. There is no such thing as a premier league club, there are only clubs who are in the prem at any given time.
Incidentally as a lover of irony isn't it strange that Kean, who has been an unmitigated disaster for 18 months at Rovers, is still there while a man who has guided Chelsea to their Champions League victory still hasn't secured a permanent job there. As Jimmy Greaves would have said, "It's a funny old game, Saint".
Finally, before all the blues start moaning about yet another "dingle" on their site the reason is quite simple: it's just more fun than ours at the moment.

That's because you sad **** wits spend more time on here obsessing about your bigger rival than you do your own team.

Rovers aren't in the Premier League because they were not good enough as you so smugly put it, you arrogant B*rnley b*stard, it is because they were ripped apart by the Venky's and Kean.

Now f*ck off home.

That 15 mile bike ride put you in a good mood lol!

Why r earth are venkys not speaking up. bunch of freshy's. Anyway he better get the f*cking sack or venkys r just deluded. looking 4ward to burnley next season.

If the unthinkable has actually happened and Kean has been retained ,and is pulling strings to consolidate his position by placing his yes men in various positions within the club,then I suggest those fans who have ordered season tickets to cancel them and do like many are going to do boycott home games and go to the away games instead.Another idea if you are really needing a football fix travel to watch the stanley they at least are still an honest and genuine local club and the extra revenue would be welcome and the monies would stay local and not be spirited away to the shonkeys in Pune!

Went to Rovers store today and asked for a refund on my recently purchased ST.
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I was told they would have to refer to a person in the main office (I'm not saying what her name is) and would I put it in writing, please. I was quickly give pen and paper and stated that I wanted a refund because I had been 'sold' the ST under false pretences, in that the manager, Mr Steve Kean, had stated strongly that we would not be relegated and I would buy my ST safe in the knowledge I would be watching PL next season. The fact that I would now be watching Championship football was why I wanted a refund.
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OK, I could have said lots more but bloody hell, it'd take up most of the day!
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We'll see what transpires. I don't expect any problem getting my money back.
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If I don't I might just decide to become a martyr for the cause, and become a suicide bomber and take the b'stard out at the first home game.
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* For any dingles that want to comment on this........ f**k off home.

Good night everybody,I have had enough for today,pleasant dreams.

gleechy wrote:

DaBoss wrote:

Seasideblue wrote:
Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only).

Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible.

Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club.

Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible.

The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing.

Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team.

Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period.

Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place.

If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!!

Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read.

Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe.

Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

Pretty much spot on. Venkys do not have a sinister agenda that some people seem to love to believe, but their communication skills need vast improvement.

Maybe thats why they've appointed a communication bod?

They did though say this when a while back, it is unlikely that a company like Venkys that made its money from scratch instead of inheritance or drilling out of the ground, unless they know its a worthwhile investment.

Few of us can see any silver lining at the moment and with good reason, but at this moment in time I would be happy for Venkys to realise that Kean has lost the respect of the supporters and whilst they may want to retain his services, a change of manager is a must - hopefully someone who can quickly restore the faith of the supporters by changing the game and getting us the wins that we have been missing under Kean.

For all the bluster, anger and outrage of the fans, we are a quickly forgiving if maybe not forgiving lot and we will get behind you if you show us that you can make it work this season and get us, if not back, then on the road back to the premiership.

speak for yourself. Oh you did.

I think you'll find theres a lot of support for my comment.

Of course regardless of whose in charge or owner, as unlikely as it seems, if the club was to get back to winning form, you will of course return to ewood will you not?

Or will you continue to cut off your nose to spite your face so to speak and stay away?

BlueSkies wrote:

Cold Side Of The Pillow wrote:

houseclaret wrote:

mcfcok wrote:
just wanted to say that as Man City fan,i think the venky's have brought nothing but troubled times and a manager in charge who clearly does not know what he is doing,I am sure i speak for all city fans when i say get rid of this man asap and appoint a manager who will bring you back to the premiership where you belong, good luck next season from a genuine football fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




!

Nice sentiment as a football fan mcfcok but unfortunately, as I have said for years with regard to any football club, wherever you are at any time is where you deserve to be. Rovers belong in the championship because they simply weren't good enough to stay up, just like City (I am delighted to say) deserve to be champions. There is no such thing as a premier league club, there are only clubs who are in the prem at any given time.
Incidentally as a lover of irony isn't it strange that Kean, who has been an unmitigated disaster for 18 months at Rovers, is still there while a man who has guided Chelsea to their Champions League victory still hasn't secured a permanent job there. As Jimmy Greaves would have said, "It's a funny old game, Saint".
Finally, before all the blues start moaning about yet another "dingle" on their site the reason is quite simple: it's just more fun than ours at the moment.

That's because you sad **** wits spend more time on here obsessing about your bigger rival than you do your own team.

Rovers aren't in the Premier League because they were not good enough as you so smugly put it, you arrogant B*rnley b*stard, it is because they were ripped apart by the Venky's and Kean.

Now f*ck off home.

That 15 mile bike ride put you in a good mood lol!

Actually, i got a bit of stick for wearing my Rovers shirt in 2 incidents; (1) pr*ck in a car sneering at me and mumbeling something that sounded threatening/insultin
g and (2) some young kids shouting abuse.

Although another young lad prior to these two incidents and whom served me Tescos was really positive. Wished us well next season and said that he hoped we beat B*rnley home and away; surprised he new who B*rnley were tbh.

My faith in humanity restored and then the above two incidents outlined above.

They way i described them sounds petty but in the heat of the moment it really p*sses me off when people stair, sneer or make sarcy comments based on a football shirt.

I mean, what have Rovers ever done to anyone?

Still, there's been a lot of ill will towards us since Jack Walker bought the club.

At the moment though, i think it's probably because we've been relegated so we're an easy target and also the way we've been smeared in the national media and the way Kean has played the national media has made us look very, very bad and there's nothing the English like more than a witch hunt.

kean has gone on a well earned holiday to the caribbean no doubt.

Gone84 wrote:
You see I get the impression with you Lancastrians that you’ve allowed yourselves to be walked all over by these new owners. This could never happen in Scotland.

Ref. Mr giantWeetabix.
Really..............

Then please explain how Craig Whyte is allowed to sit happily in his 10 million pound castle a stones throw from Ibrox,Brave Billy boys hey.......

Aye, and it was a Jock that ruined us.

mersey-blues wrote:

gleechy wrote:

houseclaret wrote:

mcfcok wrote:
just wanted to say that as Man City fan,i think the venky's have brought nothing but troubled times and a manager in charge who clearly does not know what he is doing,I am sure i speak for all city fans when i say get rid of this man asap and appoint a manager who will bring you back to the premiership where you belong, good luck next season from a genuine football fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




!

Nice sentiment as a football fan mcfcok but unfortunately, as I have said for years with regard to any football club, wherever you are at any time is where you deserve to be. Rovers belong in the championship because they simply weren't good enough to stay up, just like City (I am delighted to say) deserve to be champions. There is no such thing as a premier league club, there are only clubs who are in the prem at any given time.
Incidentally as a lover of irony isn't it strange that Kean, who has been an unmitigated disaster for 18 months at Rovers, is still there while a man who has guided Chelsea to their Champions League victory still hasn't secured a permanent job there. As Jimmy Greaves would have said, "It's a funny old game, Saint".
Finally, before all the blues start moaning about yet another "dingle" on their site the reason is quite simple: it's just more fun than ours at the moment.

If you need a lift getting back down that city fan's ars just let yer chums know, an try to keep to yer own filthy boards,he wasn't talking to a **** sucre.

Ha ha quality!

Yes, with me it's just raw abuse but with KDG and gleechy there is more nuance involved.

DaBoss wrote:

gleechy wrote:

DaBoss wrote:

Seasideblue wrote:
Ok so here's the likely explanation (my guess only).

Venkys apply their normal business model to the club; i.e. cuts costs and improve long term margins. The majority of Rovers' costs are players wages and the club had one of the highest wages to income ratio of any club anywhere in the country. Kean was therefore given the difficult task of cutting the overall wage bill while staying in the Premiership, if possible.

Cutting wages is not straightforward. League and FA rules require that a club plays its strongest team in any competitive match. So Kean holds back on playing the likes of Salgado and Nelson while these high wage earners are removed from the club. But he can't tell anyone what he is doing or he risks sanctions from the Premier League and FA. A wiser man would have just kept his mouth shut and said nothing but Kean replaces the truth, which he cannot tell, with the usual lies and over positive statements. For the same reason, Venkys say nothing about their strategy for the club.

Venkys are prepared to risk relegation rather than inject their own cash during the transition period of lowering the wage bill. After all, relegation gives the opportunity for any remaining high earners to walk away at no cost to the club. That explains why Kean was confident of keeping his job even after relegation, it was an already agreed scenario with the owners - although I am sure all would have preferred Premiership survival if possible.

The club then rebuild the playing squad with a substantially lower wage bill and put it on a more secure long term financial footing.

Kean is retained because he has done what was asked of him and because he remains positive of a return to the top flight with his new cheaper team.

Venkys stick to their original plan of keeping a manger long term to take the club through this transition period.

Whilst ordinarily we might all applaud such a loyal long term approach by the owners to the manager, in this case we all feel that Venkys appointed the wrong man in the first place.

If I am right, could Venkys not have communicated this transition strategy to the fans? Probably not, for the reason stated above that it would have signaled deliberately playing a weakened team from time to time. Had Rovers not been relegated then the clubs that were would surely have launched an appeal to the Premier League. So instead of a well communicated long term plan to put the club on a more secure financial footing we have owners who say too little to the fans. In any other of Venkys' businesses that would not have been a problem, chicken farming and pharmaceutical manufacture doesn't normally attract paying supporters who travel to the farm each week to cheer on the chickens!!

Is any of that true? Well its more logical than some explanations I've read.

Does it mean the club is safe in Venkys hands? Maybe.

Will I be renewing my season ticket next year? No, I'm off to watch some non league football next season where hopefully money has not yet corrupted the game.

Pretty much spot on. Venkys do not have a sinister agenda that some people seem to love to believe, but their communication skills need vast improvement.

Maybe thats why they've appointed a communication bod?

They did though say this when a while back, it is unlikely that a company like Venkys that made its money from scratch instead of inheritance or drilling out of the ground, unless they know its a worthwhile investment.

Few of us can see any silver lining at the moment and with good reason, but at this moment in time I would be happy for Venkys to realise that Kean has lost the respect of the supporters and whilst they may want to retain his services, a change of manager is a must - hopefully someone who can quickly restore the faith of the supporters by changing the game and getting us the wins that we have been missing under Kean.

For all the bluster, anger and outrage of the fans, we are a quickly forgiving if maybe not forgiving lot and we will get behind you if you show us that you can make it work this season and get us, if not back, then on the road back to the premiership.

speak for yourself. Oh you did.

I think you'll find theres a lot of support for my comment.

Of course regardless of whose in charge or owner, as unlikely as it seems, if the club was to get back to winning form, you will of course return to ewood will you not?

Or will you continue to cut off your nose to spite your face so to speak and stay away?

Well unless you've been asleep for a yearyou'd have noticed that the club has been taken over by pirates and has no intention of returning to wining ways. In fact the only wining ways being talked about are the ones coming out of Bs Kean's mouth along with any of his followers. Soin a word, no, there will be no revival on the pitch, but Mr Kean will talk about one, will you be listening?

Cold Side Of The Pillow wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:

Cold Side Of The Pillow wrote:

houseclaret wrote:

mcfcok wrote:
just wanted to say that as Man City fan,i think the venky's have brought nothing but troubled times and a manager in charge who clearly does not know what he is doing,I am sure i speak for all city fans when i say get rid of this man asap and appoint a manager who will bring you back to the premiership where you belong, good luck next season from a genuine football fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





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Nice sentiment as a football fan mcfcok but unfortunately, as I have said for years with regard to any football club, wherever you are at any time is where you deserve to be. Rovers belong in the championship because they simply weren't good enough to stay up, just like City (I am delighted to say) deserve to be champions. There is no such thing as a premier league club, there are only clubs who are in the prem at any given time.
Incidentally as a lover of irony isn't it strange that Kean, who has been an unmitigated disaster for 18 months at Rovers, is still there while a man who has guided Chelsea to their Champions League victory still hasn't secured a permanent job there. As Jimmy Greaves would have said, "It's a funny old game, Saint".
Finally, before all the blues start moaning about yet another "dingle" on their site the reason is quite simple: it's just more fun than ours at the moment.

That's because you sad **** wits spend more time on here obsessing about your bigger rival than you do your own team.

Rovers aren't in the Premier League because they were not good enough as you so smugly put it, you arrogant B*rnley b*stard, it is because they were ripped apart by the Venky's and Kean.

Now f*ck off home.

That 15 mile bike ride put you in a good mood lol!

Actually, i got a bit of stick for wearing my Rovers shirt in 2 incidents; (1) pr*ck in a car sneering at me and mumbeling something that sounded threatening/insultin

g and (2) some young kids shouting abuse.

Although another young lad prior to these two incidents and whom served me Tescos was really positive. Wished us well next season and said that he hoped we beat B*rnley home and away; surprised he new who B*rnley were tbh.

My faith in humanity restored and then the above two incidents outlined above.

They way i described them sounds petty but in the heat of the moment it really p*sses me off when people stair, sneer or make sarcy comments based on a football shirt.

I mean, what have Rovers ever done to anyone?

Still, there's been a lot of ill will towards us since Jack Walker bought the club.

At the moment though, i think it's probably because we've been relegated so we're an easy target and also the way we've been smeared in the national media and the way Kean has played the national media has made us look very, very bad and there's nothing the English like more than a witch hunt.

Where are you based? Not Blackburn?

Colin Hendry watch this space.

What if sven goran ericsson was the new manager if kean took on a different role at the club?

Big Sam is back
Steve (the man who cannot win football matches) Kean gets Blackburn Rovers relegated.
Sam Allardyce gets West Ham back into the premiership.
ENOUGH SAID.
Reg
www.regoftherovers.c
o.uk

Reg Rover wrote:
Big Sam is back
Steve (the man who cannot win football matches) Kean gets Blackburn Rovers relegated.
Sam Allardyce gets West Ham back into the premiership.
ENOUGH SAID.
Reg
www.regoftherovers.c

o.uk

I know what you post is mainly factual reg with quite a bit of poetic license and plenty of supposition, but why's it always a week late? You live in Burnley???

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Big Sam is back
Steve (the man who cannot win football matches) Kean gets Blackburn Rovers relegated.
Sam Allardyce gets West Ham back into the premiership.
ENOUGH SAID.
Reg
www.regoftherovers.c
o.uk

KEAN TELLS LIES TO KEEP HIS JOB
Is there nothing Steve Kean will not sink to?
Under pressure Kean has told Rovers owner Mrs Anuradha Desai that he is key to keeping Junior Hoilett at Ewod Park.
Mrs Desai is anxious that Kean keeps the team together, goodness know why, they were dreadful.
There is not a ‘cat in hells’ chance of Kean keeping Hoilett. Hoilett is adamant to go and to go he will. I know that, Kean knows that, everyone knows that but Mrs Desai.
Kean will stoop to anything including lies to preserve 1.3 million per annum salary. Can know one at Venky’s see this?
His foul mouthed rant on You-Tube should have been enough in itself to sack him.
Who wants a uncouth, foul mouthed lout as manager of your football club. Apparently the deluded Mrs Desai does.
Neither I nor any of my family and friends will be sitting foot into Ewood Park whilst this lying, conniving, foul mouthed, uncouth lout is in charge.
What type of people does Mrs Desai employ in her company? What type of people does she think we are to except this man in charge of our football club; we are not poor uneducated, lower class peasants. We are intelligent hard working professional people who support our team.
Mrs Desai’s contempt for us is astounding. Our opinion’s count for nothing! Her contempt and dismissive attitude for Blackburn people borders on the worse type of racism. Even the large good and honest Indian community in Blackburn are embarrassed by her continued contempt towards us. She is dividing our multi-racial community by her arrogant attitude.
Blackburn Rovers are no more; they are a club heading for oblivion under Kean. We will plunge into the third tier of English football and out of sight forever.
I was ridiculed and abused when I forecast at the beginning of the season relegation from the Premiership was a certainty under Kean. Do not ignore me this time.
Kean has to go or it will rest in peace Blackburn Rovers.
Reg.
Footnote:
By retaining Kean Mrs Desai by association agrees with Kean’s comments that Sam Allardyce is a crook. I hope Big Sam sues the arse off both of them.
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KEAN CANT BE SACKED,HE IS A PART OWNER.WHAT THEY ARE NOW UPTO IS TO TRY AND , REMOVE KEAN NINTO ANOTHER POSITION,AS HE IS A OWNER. THATS THE PROBLEM.......KEAN PLEASE GO AND TAKE THE FLIPPERS WITH YOU..RTID

noddymcleod wrote:
The problem with the "long term" Venkys' plan theory, is that it is based on Keano getting us back into the Premiership based on a much reduced playing staff in terms of quality. The good youngsters from the Youth team aren't ready enough (Kids don't win the Championship), so it means cut price signings.
If Keano goes upstairs, who is the experienced manager to get us back into the Premiership ? On the one hand there are several out-of-work would-be's - McCarthy, Coleman, Curbs, Bruce - but they'd all cost money and also have to buckle down to accepting Keano as overall supremo.
The cheapo solution is Black, he fits the bill, low cost and Keano croney.
The most awful prospect is that deluded Ms Desai might have bought the notion of "unlucky" relegation and has given Keano the chance to get us back into the Premiership.
So as long as Venkys are there, it will take another disastrous season before the staggering truth dawns, namely that Keano couldn't keep Stanley in the 2nd division.
By the way, that's where I'll be next season, giving Stanley my hard earned shilling.
I am praying every night that financial catastrophe overtakes Venky Rovers; it's the only way of hastening a better future.
No one will buy Rovers at Venkys price and though I support the Community Club idea, there's no way such a consortium could buy-out Venkys.
The "seeing the Minister" is a nice little bit of propaganda but won't affect Venkys in the slightest.

Sad day but it's Stanley for me too! Kean and his cronies will have to go before I return.
Let's make Venkys accountable for their grossly incompetent actions by simply not renewing our tickets and by staying away !!!

Is there any reliable source for the number of ST's that have been sold ? Most of the people posting on here see to be clear that we will not be returning until something positive happens ie Kean totally removed and some sign of correcting the mess we are in is made.

keanoutofrovers wrote:
Is there any reliable source for the number of ST's that have been sold ? Most of the people posting on here see to be clear that we will not be returning until something positive happens ie Kean totally removed and some sign of correcting the mess we are in is made.

Andy Cryer reckoned over 5000 Henry Winter 6000

Keano out

Don't care pal! Kean is just a talentless,football bod who happened to be in the the right place at the right time. He's a shameless, lowlife, piece of talentless ****. His and Venky's time will come. Our issue is do we wait for it or make it? We've been relegated, we are now off the radar. Stand up or disappear? Venky's and Kean were news last week. Chelsea are Champions league winners. seasiders lost against the hammers and we are now chip paper. There's only us fans interested now. Accept it or let's seriously think about making a well structured,none violent, well supported protest movement?
We are being compared with Pompey and Leeds?? They spent shed loads in a mad pursuit of succsess. We have been milked in a couldn't give a **** pursuit of oblivion by a bunch of low life scum. Kean got lucky and mummy and daddy Venky set up their stupid numb kids. Dumd and fcukin stupid. Kean &venky's. Take your pick.

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SK is the worst "manager" in football history. Pleas Venkys, do the right thing, remove him from the club immediately. COYB.

Venky's numb fcucks or Gollum Kean? How can it be this bad?

Dear Mrs Kean

When your husband tells you he loves you ????

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baldie wrote:

keanoutofrovers wrote:
Is there any reliable source for the number of ST's that have been sold ? Most of the people posting on here see to be clear that we will not be returning until something positive happens ie Kean totally removed and some sign of correcting the mess we are in is made.

Andy Cryer reckoned over 5000 Henry Winter 6000

And do we believe anyone any more, there's more lies come out of Ewood I don't believe anything anymore.

Paul Agnew- Press Officer
Can you inform the Venkys the fans would like Kean removed -

It's that simple!! We just don't trust him anymore.

baldie wrote:

keanoutofrovers wrote:
Is there any reliable source for the number of ST's that have been sold ? Most of the people posting on here see to be clear that we will not be returning until something positive happens ie Kean totally removed and some sign of correcting the mess we are in is made.

Andy Cryer reckoned over 5000 Henry Winter 6000

And do we believe anyone any more, there's more lies come out of Ewood I don't believe anything anymore.

Paul Agnew- Press Officer
Can you inform the Venkys the fans would like Kean removed -

It's that simple!! We just don't trust him anymore.

baldie wrote:

keanoutofrovers wrote:
Is there any reliable source for the number of ST's that have been sold ? Most of the people posting on here see to be clear that we will not be returning until something positive happens ie Kean totally removed and some sign of correcting the mess we are in is made.

Andy Cryer reckoned over 5000 Henry Winter 6000

And do we believe anyone any more, there's more lies come out of Ewood I don't believe anything anymore.

Paul Agnew- Press Officer
Can you inform the Venkys the fans would like Kean removed -

It's that simple!! We just don't trust him anymore.

baldie wrote:

keanoutofrovers wrote:
Is there any reliable source for the number of ST's that have been sold ? Most of the people posting on here see to be clear that we will not be returning until something positive happens ie Kean totally removed and some sign of correcting the mess we are in is made.

Andy Cryer reckoned over 5000 Henry Winter 6000

And do we believe anyone any more, there's more lies come out of Ewood I don't believe anything anymore.

Paul Agnew- Press Officer
Can you inform the Venkys the fans would like Kean removed -

It's that simple!! We just don't trust him anymore.

baldie wrote:

keanoutofrovers wrote:
Is there any reliable source for the number of ST's that have been sold ? Most of the people posting on here see to be clear that we will not be returning until something positive happens ie Kean totally removed and some sign of correcting the mess we are in is made.

Andy Cryer reckoned over 5000 Henry Winter 6000

And do we believe anyone any more, there's more lies come out of Ewood I don't believe anything anymore.

Paul Agnew- Press Officer
Can you inform the Venkys the fans would like Kean removed -

It's that simple!! We just don't trust him anymore.

BlueSkies wrote:
Went to Rovers store today and asked for a refund on my recently purchased ST.
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I was told they would have to refer to a person in the main office (I'm not saying what her name is) and would I put it in writing, please. I was quickly give pen and paper and stated that I wanted a refund because I had been 'sold' the ST under false pretences, in that the manager, Mr Steve Kean, had stated strongly that we would not be relegated and I would buy my ST safe in the knowledge I would be watching PL next season. The fact that I would now be watching Championship football was why I wanted a refund.
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OK, I could have said lots more but bloody hell, it'd take up most of the day!
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We'll see what transpires. I don't expect any problem getting my money back.
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If I don't I might just decide to become a martyr for the cause, and become a suicide bomber and take the b'stard out at the first home game.
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* For any dingles that want to comment on this........ f**k off home.

Now if the other 2/3 thousand do the same as you that would send a message tothe Benkys,

We want our money back

We want our money back

We want our money back

Ewood say that! wrote:

dallarover wrote: If no one goes into the ground until 3.15 on the first home game of the season and Venky's have the pleasure of the ensuing bad publicity then it may just send the message that's obviously not being received. I am not sure what more SK can do to show his total ineptitude and incompetence so you can't help thinking there is more to this than meets the eye!

If it is confirmed that he is staying,then we can't wait until the first game of the season to begin our protests.There needs to be a big rally in Witton Park where all fans against Steve Kean turn up and demonstrate their anger.If that doesn't get the headlines nothing will!!!

Why wait that long? There's a public meeting this coming Saturday morning in King georges hall, all fans who care anything for the club should be there. Get down and make your voice heard....it's no good bleating about this situation, let's see some proactive response...and some serious questions asked and hopefully answered!

Just Boycott the home games that is all we can do showing up there will give the wrong message.

There is even less news from Ewood since Agnew appointed.

What the. Is going on?

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Bit about the Wanky's, spot on.

BlueSkies wrote:

Cold Side Of The Pillow wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:

Cold Side Of The Pillow wrote:

houseclaret wrote:

mcfcok wrote:
just wanted to say that as Man City fan,i think the venky's have brought nothing but troubled times and a manager in charge who clearly does not know what he is doing,I am sure i speak for all city fans when i say get rid of this man asap and appoint a manager who will bring you back to the premiership where you belong, good luck next season from a genuine football fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






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Nice sentiment as a football fan mcfcok but unfortunately, as I have said for years with regard to any football club, wherever you are at any time is where you deserve to be. Rovers belong in the championship because they simply weren't good enough to stay up, just like City (I am delighted to say) deserve to be champions. There is no such thing as a premier league club, there are only clubs who are in the prem at any given time.
Incidentally as a lover of irony isn't it strange that Kean, who has been an unmitigated disaster for 18 months at Rovers, is still there while a man who has guided Chelsea to their Champions League victory still hasn't secured a permanent job there. As Jimmy Greaves would have said, "It's a funny old game, Saint".
Finally, before all the blues start moaning about yet another "dingle" on their site the reason is quite simple: it's just more fun than ours at the moment.

That's because you sad **** wits spend more time on here obsessing about your bigger rival than you do your own team.

Rovers aren't in the Premier League because they were not good enough as you so smugly put it, you arrogant B*rnley b*stard, it is because they were ripped apart by the Venky's and Kean.

Now f*ck off home.

That 15 mile bike ride put you in a good mood lol!

Actually, i got a bit of stick for wearing my Rovers shirt in 2 incidents; (1) pr*ck in a car sneering at me and mumbeling something that sounded threatening/insultin


g and (2) some young kids shouting abuse.

Although another young lad prior to these two incidents and whom served me Tescos was really positive. Wished us well next season and said that he hoped we beat B*rnley home and away; surprised he new who B*rnley were tbh.

My faith in humanity restored and then the above two incidents outlined above.

They way i described them sounds petty but in the heat of the moment it really p*sses me off when people stair, sneer or make sarcy comments based on a football shirt.

I mean, what have Rovers ever done to anyone?

Still, there's been a lot of ill will towards us since Jack Walker bought the club.

At the moment though, i think it's probably because we've been relegated so we're an easy target and also the way we've been smeared in the national media and the way Kean has played the national media has made us look very, very bad and there's nothing the English like more than a witch hunt.

Where are you based? Not Blackburn?

Not even in Lancashire.

The Mighty Weetabix wrote:
What’s wrong with a hard drinking Scot? You say it as if drinking is a bad thing. I bet you all like the odd jar on a Friday after work.

Look at Fergie and what he has achieved in the game and then look how red his nose is. I’m not saying having a red hooter is the be all and end all in football management, but you have to admit it does go to show that you can drink AND be successful in the football game.

I say you should keep Kean – you lot just haven’t given him a chance yet. But instead of berating him, and calling him “Keanochio” and “Gollum” and "alkie". How is that constructive?

Get Dalglish and Souness in - working under Kean's guidance to help with the running of the team –I know Dalglish had a bad season but with Souness in attendance to help him I think it could work. Dalglish has a lot to offer to the game still and remember what he achieved with Backburn before.

Colin Hendry should get his chance as well in some capacity. He could train the defenders, Souness the midfielders and Dalglish could train the creative midfielders and strikers. One exercise I thought might work is the old “keepie uppy” with cans of beer. First with empty cans but then to raise the skill level with full cans. The first man to drop the can has to open it fizzing into an eyeball of his choosing and then down it in one. They’ll soon learn not to drop the can and pretty soon you’ll have a team that can perform keepie uppy with a full beer can better than any team in the land. Unless Arsenal do a similar thing in which case you’ll have the second best team in the land.

But getting back to Scotsmen – which you lot seem to have some kind of problem with. How about getting Gordon Strachan to work underneath Kean in some capacity as well as Souness and Dalglish and Hendry? I’m sure he will offer a level of ginger truculence which will challenge the Venky’s dominance. Perhaps Kean’s weakness – and this is his only weakness in a strong skill set, is that he is perhaps unwilling to tell it to the Venky’s straight. This probably comes out of good manners and respect, the mark of a good upbringing.

Also, I think they could establish a Boot Room, you know, the Boot Room that worked so well at Anfield? Where they would sit and drink whiskey and discuss tactics. Souey, Kean, Hendry and Strachan could prosper in this sort of environment.

I would draw the line at Alan Hansen though. I just don’t think the man has got it in him. He’d never last 2 weeks at the club because although he’s Scottish he doesn’t have the character of a real Scotsman. He isn't really a "man" at all, as I would define one.

They could put a dart board in the Boot room and get Jockey Wilson to join them. I know Jockey’s become withdrawn from society recently , but maybe they could put a bed in the Boot Room and let jockey live and sleep there so when they come down after a home victory to celebrate with a few pints o’ heavy, Jockey would already be waiting for them to play darts, with a smile and a toothless grin with a bottle of Bells whiskey in his hand. It’d be great for morale.

Or would you rather have the namby pamby politically correct Gary Lineker in charge? You probably would.

You see I get the impression with you Lancastrians that you’ve allowed yourselves to be walked all over by these new owners. This could never happen in Scotland.

Or indeed in Yorkshire. If this were Leeds, if the supporters wanted the owners out they would darned well drum them out of town. They’ve got that bit more fire and passion in them have the Yorkshire folk. And they don’t allow people to take liberties.

Blackburn supporters take note.

Thanks, Mr. Agnew ... sorry, Mrs. Kean.

Someone posted this link earlier. Article below. Quality.

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Bellend of the Season 2011-12

Having already asked you to cast your votes for the piffling matter of Player of the Season below, it`s time for the most prestigious and talked about gong of the close season. The coveted Bellend of the Year trophy. In its fourth year on Vital Arsenal, the past hall of famers set an impressive benchmark of bellendery. Inaugural winner Phil Brown has happily disappeared permanently to his sun bed having suffered the ignominy of two sackings since he was crowned. Alas, no such luck with the king **** of 2010 Tony Pulis and 2011`s prize **** Sepp Blatter.

2011-12 has seen an absolute feast of folly. We`ve had Roger Johnson- a centre half who has now experienced successive relegations with different sides- turning up "tired and emotional" at training. Then we have Alex McLeish gifting the players and supporters at Villa Park some of the most eye bleedingly soulless football the country has ever known. But their incompetence is small fry compared with some of the exploits at Liverpool F.C. this season. As if paying £20m for Stewart Downing isn`t criminal enough, we have the fallout from the ugly Suarez fallout. The independent investigation document showed that Liverpool had not exactly been forthcoming with the media over the Uruguayan`s precise mutterings, but the unedifying sight of the players and the manager- a man in his 60s- wearing a tee shirt featuring the profile of his own employee was as sartorially ill advised as it was a PR shambles.

After Suarez was subsequently found guilty, the refusal to shake Evra`s hand and Dalglish`s series of pithy, unnecessarily spiky interviews have dragged the club`s name through the dirt. Fenway have quietly acted, forcing their manager and their rather objectionable striker to apologise, whilst Liverpool`s Director of Communications has received his P45 along with the Director of Football who thought Jordan Henderson was worth folding money.

More amusing acts of absurdity have been in plentiful supply too. St. Totteringham`s Day caused us Gooners to delve into the archives and have a right good root around for some premature posturing from the cocky ****. Rafa van der Vaart confidently predicted that Arsenal had "no chance" of finishing above his Tottenham side back in October. Journalist Henry Winter put together his own fantasy "North London XI" and decided that van Persie was the only geezer wearing red. But perhaps this piece from The Mirror`s Darren Lewis penned back in February is my favourite. . Can I get an "LOL, **** please!" in the place?

Boss eyed wide boy John Terry doesn`t have to do much more than appear in front of a camera with that "what me guv?" look smeared all across his chops to guarantee himself a mention for Bellend of the Season. But true to form, Terry has happily plotted the demise of a young manager for not tickling his belly often enough, almost cost his side a place in the Champions League final due to his own brand of sociopathic selfishness and currently awaits trial for racially abusing a fellow professional. All in a year`s work for one of football`s most detestable and shameless individuals. Still, his delightful assist and grass eating celebration as van Persie skipped away from him at the Bodge in October was heart warming in the extreme. Maybe if Chelsea stopped singing about mowing the meadow and actually did it, their captain wouldn`t feel the need to get down on his knees and tend the grass with his teeth?

However, the ultimate accolade for Bellend of the Season is a shared one. A quartet of colluders that have conspired to rip the heart, soul and remaining vestiges of quality from a previously pleasant, family run club with all the grace and poise of a poultry farmer plucking the feathers from its pheasants. Whilst it`s true that Blackburn Rovers have recently had bona fide bellends such as Mark Hughes, Fat Sam and Robbie Savage in their employ in recent years, the Lancashire club was a steady, respectable Premiership club run with dignity by John Williams. Williams was a man that appreciated Jack Walker`s legacy and Rovers were a club that generally did things the right way and with a measure of pleasantness and stability. Since the Venky`s took over, soothsaying into the ears of Rovers fans with promises of Kaka, Ronaldinho and Champions League football on a £5m budget, the soul has been ripped from the club, resulting in its inevitable relegation and continued asset stripping.

Complicit in this act of corporate ABH has been Steve Kean. His never ending delusion (he was still talking about a top ten finish in March) and refusal to admit that his poor management was taking Rovers down had its part to play in Rovers` demise. There are those that scoff about the Blackburn support and their ongoing protests during matches, but they were left with no recourse. The Venky`s constantly refused meeting requests with supporters groups, didn`t answer correspondence over fans concerns and were rarely even in the country to oversee the club`s fall from grace. About the only thing they did do was watch games on the goggle box in India. Blackburn fans were left with no other avenue to make their voices heard as their football club was abused.

Blackburn ended last season with a defence boasting the likes of Salgado, Nelsen, Samba and Phil Jones. Emerton and Jason Roberts were also key squad members. Salgado was frozen out over a contract clause; the others were replaced by the likes of Bradley Orr, David Goodwillie, Anthony Modeste and Martin Olsson`s brother. Kean and the Venky`s are of course linked by agent Jerome Anderson. Many allege that this cosy relationship ensured Kean stayed a yes man to the Venky`s whilst the poultry giants indulged Kean`s shortcomings as a coach and his delusions. (A video has surfaced this week in which he claims to be the mastermind behind the development of Phil Jones, whilst also promising a top ten finish and a Carling Cup). Conveniently, Kean and the Venky`s gave a contract to Myles Anderson- son of Jerome- last summer, with Kean describing him as "possibly another Chris Smalling" due to his late development.

This because Leyton Orient didn`t deem him good enough for a single game in his spell there, whilst Aberdeen let him go after a single appearance. It seems Anderson`s development is still in bloom as he wasn`t selected for a single matchday squad in 2011-12. Kean has been a mere stooge to the whims of some mendacious owners. In January, 2011 in an interview with the Independent, he spoke in soothing tones about "marquee signings."

"I think it is only a matter of time before there is a major landmark signing," he said. "Because they are paying the wages, the owners will give me a list of players that we could get but no player will come to this club unless they have something to offer.

"If Ronaldinho had decided he wanted to come, I would certainly have had to meet him and find out his thoughts about work, how often he wanted to train and make sure it was every day and with the rest of the squad. If there is going to be a marquee signing, it can`t be someone who`s just coming to graze."

Unless Anthony Modeste is a marquee signing, then this quote represents a double bind. Either the Venky`s were lying to Kean, at which point he really ought to have walked away on principle. Or else he was complicit in this fabrication and, even worse, was willing to be the front man for him. At best, Kean is a puppet for a trio of cowboys (Indian cowboys, who`d have thunk it?), at worst, he`s sporting spurs and a wide brimmed hat himself in making up the four horsemen of Blackburn`s apocalypse. The truly terrifying thing about the Venky`s is that it could happen to any club. Given the absence of any proper "fit and proper person`s test" pretty much anybody can buy a football club. Not all investors are necessarily benevolent, but Blackburn fans got the rough end of the pineapple when they ended up with the ventriloquist Venky`s and their puppet Kean. A 137 year old football club, founding member of the Football League and top flight champion as little as 17 years ago has been brought to its knees in little under 18 months. That`s quite the hatchet job, from comfortable family run football club to farce. Rovers fans are nervously eyeing up the likes of Portsmouth and Plymouth and wondering what`s in store for the future. For that reason, the Venky`s and Steve Kean are well earned proprietors of the Bellend of the Season award. Perhaps they can use that gong to attract Eden Hazard to help with their promotion campaign next year? LD.

Brilliant ! And early contenders for Bell End of NEXT year.

How any sane fan can support this incompetent regime and their stooges baffles me. Mass protests and stayaway’s going forward, let's embarrass these pluckers until they go. They have now had enough chances and failed miserably. Out with Venky's and the puppet!

Bellends indeed...!

Very well put I have to say and spot on !

The way the Venkys treat the supporters of BRFC is appalling. Absolutely no idea about politeness or leadership qualities at a very difficult time for the community. I have said this before but the current set up is only "Blackburn Rovers" in name and nothing else at all. It bears no resemblance to the values that one would associate with a founder member of the football league Blackburn Rovers of today is just a trading name and frankly might as well up sticks and go to India. At least this would allow the community to re-group and move forward. I for one would be delighted to see the back of the Venkys, Kean and Anderson for good; all of them are thoroughly nasty pieces of work.

The Blocked One wrote:

The Mighty Weetabix wrote: What’s wrong with a hard drinking Scot? You say it as if drinking is a bad thing. I bet you all like the odd jar on a Friday after work. Look at Fergie and what he has achieved in the game and then look how red his nose is. I’m not saying having a red hooter is the be all and end all in football management, but you have to admit it does go to show that you can drink AND be successful in the football game. I say you should keep Kean – you lot just haven’t given him a chance yet. But instead of berating him, and calling him “Keanochio” and “Gollum” and "alkie". How is that constructive? Get Dalglish and Souness in - working under Kean's guidance to help with the running of the team –I know Dalglish had a bad season but with Souness in attendance to help him I think it could work. Dalglish has a lot to offer to the game still and remember what he achieved with Backburn before. Colin Hendry should get his chance as well in some capacity. He could train the defenders, Souness the midfielders and Dalglish could train the creative midfielders and strikers. One exercise I thought might work is the old “keepie uppy” with cans of beer. First with empty cans but then to raise the skill level with full cans. The first man to drop the can has to open it fizzing into an eyeball of his choosing and then down it in one. They’ll soon learn not to drop the can and pretty soon you’ll have a team that can perform keepie uppy with a full beer can better than any team in the land. Unless Arsenal do a similar thing in which case you’ll have the second best team in the land. But getting back to Scotsmen – which you lot seem to have some kind of problem with. How about getting Gordon Strachan to work underneath Kean in some capacity as well as Souness and Dalglish and Hendry? I’m sure he will offer a level of ginger truculence which will challenge the Venky’s dominance. Perhaps Kean’s weakness – and this is his only weakness in a strong skill set, is that he is perhaps unwilling to tell it to the Venky’s straight. This probably comes out of good manners and respect, the mark of a good upbringing. Also, I think they could establish a Boot Room, you know, the Boot Room that worked so well at Anfield? Where they would sit and drink whiskey and discuss tactics. Souey, Kean, Hendry and Strachan could prosper in this sort of environment. I would draw the line at Alan Hansen though. I just don’t think the man has got it in him. He’d never last 2 weeks at the club because although he’s Scottish he doesn’t have the character of a real Scotsman. He isn't really a "man" at all, as I would define one. They could put a dart board in the Boot room and get Jockey Wilson to join them. I know Jockey’s become withdrawn from society recently , but maybe they could put a bed in the Boot Room and let jockey live and sleep there so when they come down after a home victory to celebrate with a few pints o’ heavy, Jockey would already be waiting for them to play darts, with a smile and a toothless grin with a bottle of Bells whiskey in his hand. It’d be great for morale. Or would you rather have the namby pamby politically correct Gary Lineker in charge? You probably would. You see I get the impression with you Lancastrians that you’ve allowed yourselves to be walked all over by these new owners. This could never happen in Scotland. Or indeed in Yorkshire. If this were Leeds, if the supporters wanted the owners out they would darned well drum them out of town. They’ve got that bit more fire and passion in them have the Yorkshire folk. And they don’t allow people to take liberties. Blackburn supporters take note.

Thanks, Mr. Agnew ... sorry, Mrs. Kean.

unfortunately poor auld Jocky's nae langer wi' us.
he left for the big oche in the sky a few wee months back.

The Blocked One wrote:
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Bit about the Wanky's, spot on.

Wow. When you get articles like this from Arsenal fans, who let's face it usually barely take notice of our team other than having sly uninformed digs, it genuinely says something.

Such a shame that this massive turnaround from the press and other supporters has come too late. At least now they know that us fans were right all along.

- Corrupt regime OUT
- Venkys OUT
- Dunkin' Donut Kean OUT

Save your cheers- he'll be there for years!

Cold Side Of The Pillow wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:

Cold Side Of The Pillow wrote:

houseclaret wrote:

mcfcok wrote:
just wanted to say that as Man City fan,i think the venky's have brought nothing but troubled times and a manager in charge who clearly does not know what he is doing,I am sure i speak for all city fans when i say get rid of this man asap and appoint a manager who will bring you back to the premiership where you belong, good luck next season from a genuine football fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





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Nice sentiment as a football fan mcfcok but unfortunately, as I have said for years with regard to any football club, wherever you are at any time is where you deserve to be. Rovers belong in the championship because they simply weren't good enough to stay up, just like City (I am delighted to say) deserve to be champions. There is no such thing as a premier league club, there are only clubs who are in the prem at any given time.
Incidentally as a lover of irony isn't it strange that Kean, who has been an unmitigated disaster for 18 months at Rovers, is still there while a man who has guided Chelsea to their Champions League victory still hasn't secured a permanent job there. As Jimmy Greaves would have said, "It's a funny old game, Saint".
Finally, before all the blues start moaning about yet another "dingle" on their site the reason is quite simple: it's just more fun than ours at the moment.

That's because you sad **** wits spend more time on here obsessing about your bigger rival than you do your own team.

Rovers aren't in the Premier League because they were not good enough as you so smugly put it, you arrogant B*rnley b*stard, it is because they were ripped apart by the Venky's and Kean.

Now f*ck off home.

That 15 mile bike ride put you in a good mood lol!

Actually, i got a bit of stick for wearing my Rovers shirt in 2 incidents; (1) pr*ck in a car sneering at me and mumbeling something that sounded threatening/insultin

g and (2) some young kids shouting abuse.

Although another young lad prior to these two incidents and whom served me Tescos was really positive. Wished us well next season and said that he hoped we beat B*rnley home and away; surprised he new who B*rnley were tbh.

My faith in humanity restored and then the above two incidents outlined above.

They way i described them sounds petty but in the heat of the moment it really p*sses me off when people stair, sneer or make sarcy comments based on a football shirt.

I mean, what have Rovers ever done to anyone?

Still, there's been a lot of ill will towards us since Jack Walker bought the club.

At the moment though, i think it's probably because we've been relegated so we're an easy target and also the way we've been smeared in the national media and the way Kean has played the national media has made us look very, very bad and there's nothing the English like more than a witch hunt.

What have woevers ever done? They were formed and that's enough you grintwum numpty!

Cold Side Of The Pillow wrote:

houseclaret wrote:

mcfcok wrote:
just wanted to say that as Man City fan,i think the venky's have brought nothing but troubled times and a manager in charge who clearly does not know what he is doing,I am sure i speak for all city fans when i say get rid of this man asap and appoint a manager who will bring you back to the premiership where you belong, good luck next season from a genuine football fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Nice sentiment as a football fan mcfcok but unfortunately, as I have said for years with regard to any football club, wherever you are at any time is where you deserve to be. Rovers belong in the championship because they simply weren't good enough to stay up, just like City (I am delighted to say) deserve to be champions. There is no such thing as a premier league club, there are only clubs who are in the prem at any given time.
Incidentally as a lover of irony isn't it strange that Kean, who has been an unmitigated disaster for 18 months at Rovers, is still there while a man who has guided Chelsea to their Champions League victory still hasn't secured a permanent job there. As Jimmy Greaves would have said, "It's a funny old game, Saint".
Finally, before all the blues start moaning about yet another "dingle" on their site the reason is quite simple: it's just more fun than ours at the moment.

That's because you sad **** wits spend more time on here obsessing about your bigger rival than you do your own team.

Rovers aren't in the Premier League because they were not good enough as you so smugly put it, you arrogant B*rnley b*stard, it is because they were ripped apart by the Venky's and Kean.

Now f*ck off home.

Sort yersel out big boy!! woevers are not in the premiersh*t because they were barry white and well you know it!!