Berg eyes move for MacDonald

9:31am Monday 17th December 2012 in News Photograph of the Author By Andy Cryer, Blackburn Rovers reporter

HENNING Berg wants to bring former Aston Villa caretaker boss Kevin MacDonald to Ewood Park in a bid to help arrest Blackburn Rovers’ Championship slump.

Saturday’s 2-0 defeat at Blackpool was Rovers’ fourth loss in the last five games to leave them in 15th in the Championship, seven points adrift of the top six and 13 off the automatic promotion spots.

An under pressure Berg insisted no final decision had been made on the future of his current coaching staff last week when asked about potential imminent changes.

But the Lancashire Telegraph understands Berg’s bosses have reinforced their desire for change behind the scenes over the weekend, with assistant manager Eric Black and coach Iain Brunskill still believed to be in the firing line, as they desperately search for a solution to the club’s slide down the table.

Berg has identified 52-year-old MacDonald as a possible new assistant, with expected changes set to be finally executed in the coming days.

Former Leicester, Liverpool and Coventry midfielder MacDonald was on the coaching staff at Aston Villa between 1995 to 2012, where he enjoyed a number of roles including reserve team boss and caretaker manager.

He has also been caretaker manager at Leicester City and assistant manager at Republic of Ireland under Steve Staunton.

Berg has picked up just six points from a possible 27 since taking the reigns at Ewood Park as the frustration grows among the Ewood Park faithful.

Owners Venky’s, global advisor Shebby Singh, Berg and the players were all subjected to vocal criticism during Saturday’s defeat at Bloomfield Road – and Berg admits he understands their frustration.

He said: “I can understand the frustrations. The support from the fans before the game, in the first half and even at times in the second, they were supporting the team.

“These players are trying their best, sometimes it might not look like it, for these players to be the best they can be, they don’t get better by being booed or shouted at.

“I know it is easy for the fans to do that but these players don’t get better by that. To help the team, to help the players, get right behind them and as long as the game goes on push them, help them, do whatever you can and take your frustration out after the game.

“I understand the frustration and most of that we feel as well. The players, myself, the staff, we feel that frustration because no one is happy with the results we have had.

“At the same time we have to look at what we are doing on the pitch as well and at times some of what we are doing is quite good.”

Rovers spurned numerous opportunities as they enjoyed the better of the first half at Blackpool but a goal in each half from West Thomas and Kirk Broadfoot – and a dismal second half showing from the visitors – left Berg frustrated.

He said: “In terms of commitment and attitude, I think they are trying their best. I would have been even more disappointed if I felt the players weren’t trying.

“When you are on a bad run of course the confidence drops and then you get a little bit passive. You start doubting yourself, you don’t step forward, you step back and it looks as though you aren’t committed.

“All our players want to do the best they can every time they walk out on the pitch. I am not questioning the attitude.”

Comments (121)

9:51am Mon 17 Dec 12

merlinrabbit says...

I've had enough of fans hurling abuse during games. Im as frustrated as the next fan and it doesnt look like all the players are putting the effort into it but if they have lost confidence, it will look like lack of effort. Giving them flak at the end wont help. I have grave doubts about Berg's ability and bigger doubts about how he can do his job in a set up that hasnt changed from when Kean was there. We just have Singh instead of Kean now. However, Im going to take what Berg says as genuine until January and when he has had opportunity to make changes and then judge.
I've had enough of fans hurling abuse during games. Im as frustrated as the next fan and it doesnt look like all the players are putting the effort into it but if they have lost confidence, it will look like lack of effort. Giving them flak at the end wont help. I have grave doubts about Berg's ability and bigger doubts about how he can do his job in a set up that hasnt changed from when Kean was there. We just have Singh instead of Kean now. However, Im going to take what Berg says as genuine until January and when he has had opportunity to make changes and then judge. merlinrabbit

10:00am Mon 17 Dec 12

J.C - Rishton says...

Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that.

Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it.

Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!!

If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.
Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that. Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it. Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!! If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club. J.C - Rishton

10:06am Mon 17 Dec 12

merlinrabbit says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that.

Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it.

Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!!

If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.
Frankly I found it embarrassing. It totally discredits the objections we gave towards Kean and how fans stated they would be prefer anybody as long as it wasnt him. Clearly thats not the case because in no time at all, the fans have turned again in a very short time.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that. Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it. Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!! If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.[/p][/quote]Frankly I found it embarrassing. It totally discredits the objections we gave towards Kean and how fans stated they would be prefer anybody as long as it wasnt him. Clearly thats not the case because in no time at all, the fans have turned again in a very short time. merlinrabbit

10:07am Mon 17 Dec 12

merlinrabbit says...

I do think that this backroom staff thing and searching for a solution to the slide is ridiculous. The key thing is the managerial appointment. If you get that wrong, which Singh did, other changes make no difference. They make it sound like its a flippin treasure hunt.
I do think that this backroom staff thing and searching for a solution to the slide is ridiculous. The key thing is the managerial appointment. If you get that wrong, which Singh did, other changes make no difference. They make it sound like its a flippin treasure hunt. merlinrabbit

10:09am Mon 17 Dec 12

GAZHAY says...

Henning.
When we start seeing some effort, passion, energy and common sense displayed by these overpaid individuals then we might have something to cheer about. At the moment our frustrations are simply due to the fact these players are lazy, don't seem to care less and are simply not good enough. Hope for this to all change on Saturday and I will then be cheering and enjoy my xmas turey..........but I won't hold my breath!!!!
Henning. When we start seeing some effort, passion, energy and common sense displayed by these overpaid individuals then we might have something to cheer about. At the moment our frustrations are simply due to the fact these players are lazy, don't seem to care less and are simply not good enough. Hope for this to all change on Saturday and I will then be cheering and enjoy my xmas turey..........but I won't hold my breath!!!! GAZHAY

10:10am Mon 17 Dec 12

GAZHAY says...

GAZHAY wrote:
Henning. When we start seeing some effort, passion, energy and common sense displayed by these overpaid individuals then we might have something to cheer about. At the moment our frustrations are simply due to the fact these players are lazy, don't seem to care less and are simply not good enough. Hope for this to all change on Saturday and I will then be cheering and enjoy my xmas turey..........but I won't hold my breath!!!!
Henning.
When we start seeing some effort, passion, energy and common sense displayed by these overpaid individuals then we might have something to cheer about. At the moment our frustrations are simply due to the fact these players are lazy, don't seem to care less and are simply not good enough. Hope for this to all change on Saturday and I will then be cheering and enjoy my xmas turkey..........but I won't hold my breath!!!!
[quote][p][bold]GAZHAY[/bold] wrote: Henning. When we start seeing some effort, passion, energy and common sense displayed by these overpaid individuals then we might have something to cheer about. At the moment our frustrations are simply due to the fact these players are lazy, don't seem to care less and are simply not good enough. Hope for this to all change on Saturday and I will then be cheering and enjoy my xmas turey..........but I won't hold my breath!!!![/p][/quote]Henning. When we start seeing some effort, passion, energy and common sense displayed by these overpaid individuals then we might have something to cheer about. At the moment our frustrations are simply due to the fact these players are lazy, don't seem to care less and are simply not good enough. Hope for this to all change on Saturday and I will then be cheering and enjoy my xmas turkey..........but I won't hold my breath!!!! GAZHAY

10:10am Mon 17 Dec 12

A Darener says...

Unfortunately Henning is right about the chanting of fans being non productive. But! What else can they do to show their disapproval? For two years the fans tried to get Kean and the Venky's out of our club. They were partially successful in getting rid of Kean. But we are still in the mire. Berg needs a chanceto turn two years of heartache into a success story but he is being hampered al the way by Shebby and the Venky's. I am afraid until they are gone we will continue to fail. They have no idea how to turn around the mess we are in.
Unfortunately Henning is right about the chanting of fans being non productive. But! What else can they do to show their disapproval? For two years the fans tried to get Kean and the Venky's out of our club. They were partially successful in getting rid of Kean. But we are still in the mire. Berg needs a chanceto turn two years of heartache into a success story but he is being hampered al the way by Shebby and the Venky's. I am afraid until they are gone we will continue to fail. They have no idea how to turn around the mess we are in. A Darener

10:11am Mon 17 Dec 12

A Rover 45 years and over says...

Yes I agree with MerlinRabbit but it is hard to have a go at these away fans who in general have been brilliant continuoulsy going to away matches to be served up this Tosh nearly every game and in general have been supportive. This has been going on since Kean arrived, we have now had a change of Manager and it's getting worse and it is hard to keep calm. But I agree we need to give Henning a chance to ring some changes even if they seem to be being force on him, All this talk of people getting the boot but are yet still in their jobs is crazy stuff. How can the team prepare for matches under this environment. Someone is causing major problems for the club and manager by spouting off all the time.All these decisions should be discussed behind closed doors and acted upon accordingly like most clubs do.
Yes I agree with MerlinRabbit but it is hard to have a go at these away fans who in general have been brilliant continuoulsy going to away matches to be served up this Tosh nearly every game and in general have been supportive. This has been going on since Kean arrived, we have now had a change of Manager and it's getting worse and it is hard to keep calm. But I agree we need to give Henning a chance to ring some changes even if they seem to be being force on him, All this talk of people getting the boot but are yet still in their jobs is crazy stuff. How can the team prepare for matches under this environment. Someone is causing major problems for the club and manager by spouting off all the time.All these decisions should be discussed behind closed doors and acted upon accordingly like most clubs do. A Rover 45 years and over

10:14am Mon 17 Dec 12

blueblooded says...

You can't make an omelette without cracking some eggs as they say. Get rid of the dead weight as soon as you can Henning before its too late. Caretaker manager is all well and good, but it isnt going to make old and sluggish players play much faster.
You can't make an omelette without cracking some eggs as they say. Get rid of the dead weight as soon as you can Henning before its too late. Caretaker manager is all well and good, but it isnt going to make old and sluggish players play much faster. blueblooded

10:16am Mon 17 Dec 12

noddymcleod says...

Kean was hopeless but defiant and even cocky in his tenure, therefore I understoood the fans' abuse and eventually, much too late, it did contribute to his dismissal.
There is no sense whatsoever submitting Berg to abuse, whatever misgivings there may be about him.The squad we have is what he has to work with, some "promising" players are just not going to make it -Rochina, Formica.
Some expensive players, Murphy, Etuhu, Dann were signed for agents' fee more than football ability. Olsen has lost heart, Hanley isn't even Championship class and Lowe will never be better than OK.
Let's see what Berg can do in January - whether he has a free hand to choose or whether we'll be dealing mainly for others to get their percentage, or whether Vnkys are going to spend any more remains in doubt. By now even the dimmest owners - eg Venkys - must have realised they don't have the dosh to cut it in the Premiership, and even worse don't have the management structure or players to get back into the Premeirship. Rovers cannot be made into the hatchery they might have wanted it to be, buy youngsters train them up and flog them. This hasn't worked, I presume Rochina dn Formica were prototypes of that failed plan.
So any stability let alone a return to the Premiership will have to depend on good old fashioned footie management, not unlike te job Souey did for us.
Whether Venkys have the guts or brains to realise that, I doubt. Certainly that loon they employ as a global adviser hasn't and unfortunately he probably has more sway with Venkys than Berg.
It's dire but howling abuse at the players and Berg does no good.
Kean was hopeless but defiant and even cocky in his tenure, therefore I understoood the fans' abuse and eventually, much too late, it did contribute to his dismissal. There is no sense whatsoever submitting Berg to abuse, whatever misgivings there may be about him.The squad we have is what he has to work with, some "promising" players are just not going to make it -Rochina, Formica. Some expensive players, Murphy, Etuhu, Dann were signed for agents' fee more than football ability. Olsen has lost heart, Hanley isn't even Championship class and Lowe will never be better than OK. Let's see what Berg can do in January - whether he has a free hand to choose or whether we'll be dealing mainly for others to get their percentage, or whether Vnkys are going to spend any more remains in doubt. By now even the dimmest owners - eg Venkys - must have realised they don't have the dosh to cut it in the Premiership, and even worse don't have the management structure or players to get back into the Premeirship. Rovers cannot be made into the hatchery they might have wanted it to be, buy youngsters train them up and flog them. This hasn't worked, I presume Rochina dn Formica were prototypes of that failed plan. So any stability let alone a return to the Premiership will have to depend on good old fashioned footie management, not unlike te job Souey did for us. Whether Venkys have the guts or brains to realise that, I doubt. Certainly that loon they employ as a global adviser hasn't and unfortunately he probably has more sway with Venkys than Berg. It's dire but howling abuse at the players and Berg does no good. noddymcleod

10:17am Mon 17 Dec 12

merlinrabbit says...

A Rover 45 years and over wrote:
Yes I agree with MerlinRabbit but it is hard to have a go at these away fans who in general have been brilliant continuoulsy going to away matches to be served up this Tosh nearly every game and in general have been supportive. This has been going on since Kean arrived, we have now had a change of Manager and it's getting worse and it is hard to keep calm. But I agree we need to give Henning a chance to ring some changes even if they seem to be being force on him, All this talk of people getting the boot but are yet still in their jobs is crazy stuff. How can the team prepare for matches under this environment. Someone is causing major problems for the club and manager by spouting off all the time.All these decisions should be discussed behind closed doors and acted upon accordingly like most clubs do.
It can only be coming from Singh. Whats happened to that idiot Agnew. What is his role? pR or publicity or something? Have those two got a voice or a brain or are they shackled in a cupboard somewhere. Whereas before Kean was the main man, did all the liaison with Pune, did all the press and media, it's not Singh. Swapped one cretin for another.
[quote][p][bold]A Rover 45 years and over[/bold] wrote: Yes I agree with MerlinRabbit but it is hard to have a go at these away fans who in general have been brilliant continuoulsy going to away matches to be served up this Tosh nearly every game and in general have been supportive. This has been going on since Kean arrived, we have now had a change of Manager and it's getting worse and it is hard to keep calm. But I agree we need to give Henning a chance to ring some changes even if they seem to be being force on him, All this talk of people getting the boot but are yet still in their jobs is crazy stuff. How can the team prepare for matches under this environment. Someone is causing major problems for the club and manager by spouting off all the time.All these decisions should be discussed behind closed doors and acted upon accordingly like most clubs do.[/p][/quote]It can only be coming from Singh. Whats happened to that idiot Agnew. What is his role? pR or publicity or something? Have those two got a voice or a brain or are they shackled in a cupboard somewhere. Whereas before Kean was the main man, did all the liaison with Pune, did all the press and media, it's not Singh. Swapped one cretin for another. merlinrabbit

10:17am Mon 17 Dec 12

moh says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that. Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it. Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!! If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.
It does not help players if they are booed. Protest and boo after the game. Also if fans can raise about 40 million odd we may be able to buy the club. Who wants to start the collection.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that. Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it. Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!! If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.[/p][/quote]It does not help players if they are booed. Protest and boo after the game. Also if fans can raise about 40 million odd we may be able to buy the club. Who wants to start the collection. moh

10:20am Mon 17 Dec 12

carlmc1 says...

I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager.

Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are.

I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!
I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon! carlmc1

10:21am Mon 17 Dec 12

merlinrabbit says...

noddymcleod wrote:
Kean was hopeless but defiant and even cocky in his tenure, therefore I understoood the fans' abuse and eventually, much too late, it did contribute to his dismissal.
There is no sense whatsoever submitting Berg to abuse, whatever misgivings there may be about him.The squad we have is what he has to work with, some "promising" players are just not going to make it -Rochina, Formica.
Some expensive players, Murphy, Etuhu, Dann were signed for agents' fee more than football ability. Olsen has lost heart, Hanley isn't even Championship class and Lowe will never be better than OK.
Let's see what Berg can do in January - whether he has a free hand to choose or whether we'll be dealing mainly for others to get their percentage, or whether Vnkys are going to spend any more remains in doubt. By now even the dimmest owners - eg Venkys - must have realised they don't have the dosh to cut it in the Premiership, and even worse don't have the management structure or players to get back into the Premeirship. Rovers cannot be made into the hatchery they might have wanted it to be, buy youngsters train them up and flog them. This hasn't worked, I presume Rochina dn Formica were prototypes of that failed plan.
So any stability let alone a return to the Premiership will have to depend on good old fashioned footie management, not unlike te job Souey did for us.
Whether Venkys have the guts or brains to realise that, I doubt. Certainly that loon they employ as a global adviser hasn't and unfortunately he probably has more sway with Venkys than Berg.
It's dire but howling abuse at the players and Berg does no good.
I always thought they should have got Souness in on a short term contract till end of season. Too much money and I cant imagine him working with those lunatics and amateurs
[quote][p][bold]noddymcleod[/bold] wrote: Kean was hopeless but defiant and even cocky in his tenure, therefore I understoood the fans' abuse and eventually, much too late, it did contribute to his dismissal. There is no sense whatsoever submitting Berg to abuse, whatever misgivings there may be about him.The squad we have is what he has to work with, some "promising" players are just not going to make it -Rochina, Formica. Some expensive players, Murphy, Etuhu, Dann were signed for agents' fee more than football ability. Olsen has lost heart, Hanley isn't even Championship class and Lowe will never be better than OK. Let's see what Berg can do in January - whether he has a free hand to choose or whether we'll be dealing mainly for others to get their percentage, or whether Vnkys are going to spend any more remains in doubt. By now even the dimmest owners - eg Venkys - must have realised they don't have the dosh to cut it in the Premiership, and even worse don't have the management structure or players to get back into the Premeirship. Rovers cannot be made into the hatchery they might have wanted it to be, buy youngsters train them up and flog them. This hasn't worked, I presume Rochina dn Formica were prototypes of that failed plan. So any stability let alone a return to the Premiership will have to depend on good old fashioned footie management, not unlike te job Souey did for us. Whether Venkys have the guts or brains to realise that, I doubt. Certainly that loon they employ as a global adviser hasn't and unfortunately he probably has more sway with Venkys than Berg. It's dire but howling abuse at the players and Berg does no good.[/p][/quote]I always thought they should have got Souness in on a short term contract till end of season. Too much money and I cant imagine him working with those lunatics and amateurs merlinrabbit

10:29am Mon 17 Dec 12

MatthewCA says...

It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky.
we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality.

Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box.

I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.
It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also. MatthewCA

10:34am Mon 17 Dec 12

fanny_tickler. says...

BBC Sport:

Blackburn Rovers Global Advisor Shebby Singh in talks with Steve Kean about possible shock return as manager.
BBC Sport: Blackburn Rovers Global Advisor Shebby Singh in talks with Steve Kean about possible shock return as manager. fanny_tickler.

10:34am Mon 17 Dec 12

Blackburn Yoof says...

Judging by the article it seems that it's not Berg's choice to replace his staff but 'his bosses'. Does that mean Singh? What a joke of a club we've become under Venky's.

Oh and Henning, try getting some results before having a go at the fans. it's your job to inspire the players, not ours. That's why you get paid. It's like Kean never left.
Judging by the article it seems that it's not Berg's choice to replace his staff but 'his bosses'. Does that mean Singh? What a joke of a club we've become under Venky's. Oh and Henning, try getting some results before having a go at the fans. it's your job to inspire the players, not ours. That's why you get paid. It's like Kean never left. Blackburn Yoof

10:34am Mon 17 Dec 12

Ray Gunn says...

Ok!, can i start with a quote from Burgs statement...."I understand the frustration and most of that we feel as well. The players, myself, the staff"...first off you DONT feel anything like the frustration of us fans, because (1) at the end of the day you, singh, the players and the venkys can walk away from Rovers, and us fans are left to pick up the pieces, and (2) whilst us the fans are paying our hard earned money in these difficult financial times to go to games, yourself, the venkys, singh, staff and players are making money out of this. now tell me again, how the hell can you feel as frustrated as us fans?...you also state the words "when you're on a bad run"....well in my opinion a "BAD RUN" is when you've gone 1, 4, 10 or even 20 games playing poorly....this so called "BAD RUN" has gone on for over 2 year ever since the chicken farmers thought they could run a football team....them and them alone are responsible for the mess we're in....so Burg dont start saying you understand and dont start blaming us fans....if you want to blame someone, then lets see if you have the B*llocks to send an Email to your employees telling them they have ripped the heart out of an established football club....i dare you!
Ok!, can i start with a quote from Burgs statement...."I understand the frustration and most of that we feel as well. The players, myself, the staff"...first off you DONT feel anything like the frustration of us fans, because (1) at the end of the day you, singh, the players and the venkys can walk away from Rovers, and us fans are left to pick up the pieces, and (2) whilst us the fans are paying our hard earned money in these difficult financial times to go to games, yourself, the venkys, singh, staff and players are making money out of this. now tell me again, how the hell can you feel as frustrated as us fans?...you also state the words "when you're on a bad run"....well in my opinion a "BAD RUN" is when you've gone 1, 4, 10 or even 20 games playing poorly....this so called "BAD RUN" has gone on for over 2 year ever since the chicken farmers thought they could run a football team....them and them alone are responsible for the mess we're in....so Burg dont start saying you understand and dont start blaming us fans....if you want to blame someone, then lets see if you have the B*llocks to send an Email to your employees telling them they have ripped the heart out of an established football club....i dare you! Ray Gunn

10:36am Mon 17 Dec 12

OnePostThenTheOther says...

The upshot is that Henning and his boss Shabby expect the fans to trail around the country without question, swallowing any old sh8 that they care to serve up, on the off-chance that the "team" might put in a 90 minute shift at both ends of the pitch.

The club is fubar'd. I'm almost relieved that I won't be able to make it to Ewood this weekend to watch them get turned over by Poyet's Brighton. This administration can't seriously expect that p!ss-poor performances typified by the Cardiff debacle, the insistence on playing Dann and Etuhu and pie-in-the-sky noises about promotion are going to get punters flooding back to Ewood.
The upshot is that Henning and his boss Shabby expect the fans to trail around the country without question, swallowing any old sh8 that they care to serve up, on the off-chance that the "team" might put in a 90 minute shift at both ends of the pitch. The club is fubar'd. I'm almost relieved that I won't be able to make it to Ewood this weekend to watch them get turned over by Poyet's Brighton. This administration can't seriously expect that p!ss-poor performances typified by the Cardiff debacle, the insistence on playing Dann and Etuhu and pie-in-the-sky noises about promotion are going to get punters flooding back to Ewood. OnePostThenTheOther

10:37am Mon 17 Dec 12

speedie_rovers_legend says...

carlmc1 wrote:
I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager.

Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are.

I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!
You are right he is a real clown who knows fa about the game, i can just hear him now on radio lancs with this nervous laugh every time he was asked a serious question, he found it hard to answer any one question with any conviction, the guy who was in charge of the show last week did not do us any favours. Sheeby singh is a football pundit and not very good at that as well, but he should get the next flight back to Malaysia s soon as possible, there are direct flights from Manchester.
[quote][p][bold]carlmc1[/bold] wrote: I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon![/p][/quote]You are right he is a real clown who knows fa about the game, i can just hear him now on radio lancs with this nervous laugh every time he was asked a serious question, he found it hard to answer any one question with any conviction, the guy who was in charge of the show last week did not do us any favours. Sheeby singh is a football pundit and not very good at that as well, but he should get the next flight back to Malaysia s soon as possible, there are direct flights from Manchester. speedie_rovers_legend

10:41am Mon 17 Dec 12

malkey18 says...

McDonald's a great change from KFC. Rovers can not be taken seriously!
McDonald's a great change from KFC. Rovers can not be taken seriously! malkey18

10:55am Mon 17 Dec 12

wilpshireover says...

There is not that much that needs changing, one player in midfield and one or two central defenders. Looking at the goals n TV, where a higher view shows the positions of the players better, it is so evident that the defenders are not tight enough to the opposition. For Blackpools first goal, none of the defenders was not anywhere near Wes Thomas, and he had all the time in the world t pick a spot. The same applied for their second goal. Given that Henning Berg was a first class defender one would think that having a strong defence would be his first priority. Most successful sides are based on a strong defence

For what it is worth, given the players now available at the club, my team would be. Robinson or Kean, Henley, Hanley, Givet, Olsson: Lowe, Rochina, Formica, CKR: Vetrcovic (not sure of spelling!), Rhodes. This is a 4 4 2 set up with CKR moving forward as necessary to become 4 3 3. We do not need either Dann or Etuhu, One makes too many errors, the other races around like a headless chicken, committing fouls, and most of his passes go to the opposition. One thing is certain, Rhodes needs help up front, because he is a fantastic striker,but cant do it on his own.

Shouting abuse at the players will make no difference and it does not help, and whether Venkys own the club, or if someone else does, that is for the long term and we need to get behind the players and manager now. They are trying to do their best in a situation not of their making.
There is not that much that needs changing, one player in midfield and one or two central defenders. Looking at the goals n TV, where a higher view shows the positions of the players better, it is so evident that the defenders are not tight enough to the opposition. For Blackpools first goal, none of the defenders was not anywhere near Wes Thomas, and he had all the time in the world t pick a spot. The same applied for their second goal. Given that Henning Berg was a first class defender one would think that having a strong defence would be his first priority. Most successful sides are based on a strong defence For what it is worth, given the players now available at the club, my team would be. Robinson or Kean, Henley, Hanley, Givet, Olsson: Lowe, Rochina, Formica, CKR: Vetrcovic (not sure of spelling!), Rhodes. This is a 4 4 2 set up with CKR moving forward as necessary to become 4 3 3. We do not need either Dann or Etuhu, One makes too many errors, the other races around like a headless chicken, committing fouls, and most of his passes go to the opposition. One thing is certain, Rhodes needs help up front, because he is a fantastic striker,but cant do it on his own. Shouting abuse at the players will make no difference and it does not help, and whether Venkys own the club, or if someone else does, that is for the long term and we need to get behind the players and manager now. They are trying to do their best in a situation not of their making. wilpshireover

10:57am Mon 17 Dec 12

brown cow warrior says...

Change the backroom staff? Wait until he gets his own players in? All sounds very familiar to me......but then we heard it ad nauseum for the last two years.
In my view it is down to the manager to impose his ideas, motivate players, dictate tactics and win matches instead of trying to explain and excuse very poor performance both on and off the pitch.
And yes I do realise that perhaps he is not master of his and our destiny and if that is the case then it's time he said so and stopped taking the blame for you know who's shortcomings.
Time to man up and give us some honesty instead of the 'Kean speak'.
Change the backroom staff? Wait until he gets his own players in? All sounds very familiar to me......but then we heard it ad nauseum for the last two years. In my view it is down to the manager to impose his ideas, motivate players, dictate tactics and win matches instead of trying to explain and excuse very poor performance both on and off the pitch. And yes I do realise that perhaps he is not master of his and our destiny and if that is the case then it's time he said so and stopped taking the blame for you know who's shortcomings. Time to man up and give us some honesty instead of the 'Kean speak'. brown cow warrior

11:08am Mon 17 Dec 12

wilpshireover says...

Should read none of the defenders was anywhere near Wes Thomas
Should read none of the defenders was anywhere near Wes Thomas wilpshireover

11:08am Mon 17 Dec 12

pbirty says...

dont quote me on this ,but didn`t berg say no decent manager would ever work for venkys?
i cant see us getting a decent,proven manager as long as venkys and SS are still here.
if they stay(and it looks that way),then a total change in their stratergy is needed.
we should all buy Shebby singh football manager for christmas, then he can either better his football knowledge or **** up a virtual team instead of rovers.
dont quote me on this ,but didn`t berg say no decent manager would ever work for venkys? i cant see us getting a decent,proven manager as long as venkys and SS are still here. if they stay(and it looks that way),then a total change in their stratergy is needed. we should all buy Shebby singh football manager for christmas, then he can either better his football knowledge or **** up a virtual team instead of rovers. pbirty

11:12am Mon 17 Dec 12

blueblooded says...

moh wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that. Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it. Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!! If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.
It does not help players if they are booed. Protest and boo after the game. Also if fans can raise about 40 million odd we may be able to buy the club. Who wants to start the collection.
Unfortunately all fans get tarred with the same brush. There were a fair few that boo-ed last week but not all of us. Henning as do these over-paid misfits need to rise above it and perform. Not to mention that the boo-ing was AFTER watching 80 mins of tosh, where one of the better players Simon getting subbed, whilst the worst players Dann and that gormless giveaway Etu-who? continued to make a very average pool side look like Barca.
[quote][p][bold]moh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that. Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it. Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!! If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.[/p][/quote]It does not help players if they are booed. Protest and boo after the game. Also if fans can raise about 40 million odd we may be able to buy the club. Who wants to start the collection.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately all fans get tarred with the same brush. There were a fair few that boo-ed last week but not all of us. Henning as do these over-paid misfits need to rise above it and perform. Not to mention that the boo-ing was AFTER watching 80 mins of tosh, where one of the better players Simon getting subbed, whilst the worst players Dann and that gormless giveaway Etu-who? continued to make a very average pool side look like Barca. blueblooded

11:18am Mon 17 Dec 12

1952 rover says...

Put another record on Shebby we ave heard it all before. He Berg is not up to the job.
Put another record on Shebby we ave heard it all before. He Berg is not up to the job. 1952 rover

11:19am Mon 17 Dec 12

blueblooded says...

fanny_tickler. wrote:
BBC Sport:

Blackburn Rovers Global Advisor Shebby Singh in talks with Steve Kean about possible shock return as manager.
Is fanny really your mum?

And why is she ticklish?
[quote][p][bold]fanny_tickler.[/bold] wrote: BBC Sport: Blackburn Rovers Global Advisor Shebby Singh in talks with Steve Kean about possible shock return as manager.[/p][/quote]Is fanny really your mum? And why is she ticklish? blueblooded

11:21am Mon 17 Dec 12

pbirty says...

i only said c.o.c.k. up a team.them filters are mean.
i only said c.o.c.k. up a team.them filters are mean. pbirty

11:25am Mon 17 Dec 12

Dan11 says...

Berg should have insisted on this when he took the job. He has wasted however many weeks with a sub standard coaching staff, and allowed our league position and status to fall to such an extent that now automatic promotion is beyond us. The only way we can go up now is to somehow turn this around, get in the play offs and win in the lottery of the play offs. Pretty unlikely.
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Every mothers aunt and their dog could see that the coaching staff was not fit for purpose, we were leaking goals too easily and we were also fading terribly late on in games on a consistent basis. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to work out that all of the blame for this did not just lie at Mr Keans door but also the incompetent coaching staff that were employed alongside him!!!
Berg should have insisted on this when he took the job. He has wasted however many weeks with a sub standard coaching staff, and allowed our league position and status to fall to such an extent that now automatic promotion is beyond us. The only way we can go up now is to somehow turn this around, get in the play offs and win in the lottery of the play offs. Pretty unlikely. - Every mothers aunt and their dog could see that the coaching staff was not fit for purpose, we were leaking goals too easily and we were also fading terribly late on in games on a consistent basis. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to work out that all of the blame for this did not just lie at Mr Keans door but also the incompetent coaching staff that were employed alongside him!!! Dan11

11:26am Mon 17 Dec 12

hugofakenham says...

MatthewCA wrote:
It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.
you lot have always had a WHINING mentality
[quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.[/p][/quote]you lot have always had a WHINING mentality hugofakenham

11:27am Mon 17 Dec 12

GAZHAY says...

MatthewCA wrote:
It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.
Tell me how Robbo will be better????
We have seen an amount of inept performances by Robbo and a change was needed, plus he needs to lose about 2 stone as all the long range shots he gets beat by are because he is overweight. Give Kean a chance although Bunn should never have been let go.
[quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.[/p][/quote]Tell me how Robbo will be better???? We have seen an amount of inept performances by Robbo and a change was needed, plus he needs to lose about 2 stone as all the long range shots he gets beat by are because he is overweight. Give Kean a chance although Bunn should never have been let go. GAZHAY

11:35am Mon 17 Dec 12

roverinmanchstr says...

merlinrabbit wrote:
noddymcleod wrote:
Kean was hopeless but defiant and even cocky in his tenure, therefore I understoood the fans' abuse and eventually, much too late, it did contribute to his dismissal.
There is no sense whatsoever submitting Berg to abuse, whatever misgivings there may be about him.The squad we have is what he has to work with, some "promising" players are just not going to make it -Rochina, Formica.
Some expensive players, Murphy, Etuhu, Dann were signed for agents' fee more than football ability. Olsen has lost heart, Hanley isn't even Championship class and Lowe will never be better than OK.
Let's see what Berg can do in January - whether he has a free hand to choose or whether we'll be dealing mainly for others to get their percentage, or whether Vnkys are going to spend any more remains in doubt. By now even the dimmest owners - eg Venkys - must have realised they don't have the dosh to cut it in the Premiership, and even worse don't have the management structure or players to get back into the Premeirship. Rovers cannot be made into the hatchery they might have wanted it to be, buy youngsters train them up and flog them. This hasn't worked, I presume Rochina dn Formica were prototypes of that failed plan.
So any stability let alone a return to the Premiership will have to depend on good old fashioned footie management, not unlike te job Souey did for us.
Whether Venkys have the guts or brains to realise that, I doubt. Certainly that loon they employ as a global adviser hasn't and unfortunately he probably has more sway with Venkys than Berg.
It's dire but howling abuse at the players and Berg does no good.
I always thought they should have got Souness in on a short term contract till end of season. Too much money and I cant imagine him working with those lunatics and amateurs
What??? Souness in the short term!!! Do you really think that he would work for Venky's.............
........ perhaps for thirty seconds in order to tell them to f*** off
[quote][p][bold]merlinrabbit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noddymcleod[/bold] wrote: Kean was hopeless but defiant and even cocky in his tenure, therefore I understoood the fans' abuse and eventually, much too late, it did contribute to his dismissal. There is no sense whatsoever submitting Berg to abuse, whatever misgivings there may be about him.The squad we have is what he has to work with, some "promising" players are just not going to make it -Rochina, Formica. Some expensive players, Murphy, Etuhu, Dann were signed for agents' fee more than football ability. Olsen has lost heart, Hanley isn't even Championship class and Lowe will never be better than OK. Let's see what Berg can do in January - whether he has a free hand to choose or whether we'll be dealing mainly for others to get their percentage, or whether Vnkys are going to spend any more remains in doubt. By now even the dimmest owners - eg Venkys - must have realised they don't have the dosh to cut it in the Premiership, and even worse don't have the management structure or players to get back into the Premeirship. Rovers cannot be made into the hatchery they might have wanted it to be, buy youngsters train them up and flog them. This hasn't worked, I presume Rochina dn Formica were prototypes of that failed plan. So any stability let alone a return to the Premiership will have to depend on good old fashioned footie management, not unlike te job Souey did for us. Whether Venkys have the guts or brains to realise that, I doubt. Certainly that loon they employ as a global adviser hasn't and unfortunately he probably has more sway with Venkys than Berg. It's dire but howling abuse at the players and Berg does no good.[/p][/quote]I always thought they should have got Souness in on a short term contract till end of season. Too much money and I cant imagine him working with those lunatics and amateurs[/p][/quote]What??? Souness in the short term!!! Do you really think that he would work for Venky's............. ........ perhaps for thirty seconds in order to tell them to f*** off roverinmanchstr

11:39am Mon 17 Dec 12

Dan11 says...

GAZHAY wrote:
MatthewCA wrote: It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.
Tell me how Robbo will be better???? We have seen an amount of inept performances by Robbo and a change was needed, plus he needs to lose about 2 stone as all the long range shots he gets beat by are because he is overweight. Give Kean a chance although Bunn should never have been let go.
Yes. Paul Robinson the worst keeper in the premier league last season as statistic showed- 20th out of 20. Lowest shots to saves, mainly due to his inept shot stopping. Also add to the fact his inability to command his area and inability to come for crosses. Drop him permanently and bring back Mark Bunn. He has not improved at all this season other than adding an extra stone.
[quote][p][bold]GAZHAY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.[/p][/quote]Tell me how Robbo will be better???? We have seen an amount of inept performances by Robbo and a change was needed, plus he needs to lose about 2 stone as all the long range shots he gets beat by are because he is overweight. Give Kean a chance although Bunn should never have been let go.[/p][/quote]Yes. Paul Robinson the worst keeper in the premier league last season as statistic showed- 20th out of 20. Lowest shots to saves, mainly due to his inept shot stopping. Also add to the fact his inability to command his area and inability to come for crosses. Drop him permanently and bring back Mark Bunn. He has not improved at all this season other than adding an extra stone. Dan11

11:46am Mon 17 Dec 12

J.C - Rishton says...

merlinrabbit wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that.

Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it.

Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!!

If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.
Frankly I found it embarrassing. It totally discredits the objections we gave towards Kean and how fans stated they would be prefer anybody as long as it wasnt him. Clearly thats not the case because in no time at all, the fans have turned again in a very short time.
fans were singing against SS and Venkys in the main - don't tell me thats not allowed either ????????????????????
?????????????????/
[quote][p][bold]merlinrabbit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that. Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it. Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!! If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.[/p][/quote]Frankly I found it embarrassing. It totally discredits the objections we gave towards Kean and how fans stated they would be prefer anybody as long as it wasnt him. Clearly thats not the case because in no time at all, the fans have turned again in a very short time.[/p][/quote]fans were singing against SS and Venkys in the main - don't tell me thats not allowed either ???????????????????? ?????????????????/ J.C - Rishton

11:52am Mon 17 Dec 12

J.C - Rishton says...

Ray Gunn wrote:
Ok!, can i start with a quote from Burgs statement...."I understand the frustration and most of that we feel as well. The players, myself, the staff"...first off you DONT feel anything like the frustration of us fans, because (1) at the end of the day you, singh, the players and the venkys can walk away from Rovers, and us fans are left to pick up the pieces, and (2) whilst us the fans are paying our hard earned money in these difficult financial times to go to games, yourself, the venkys, singh, staff and players are making money out of this. now tell me again, how the hell can you feel as frustrated as us fans?...you also state the words "when you're on a bad run"....well in my opinion a "BAD RUN" is when you've gone 1, 4, 10 or even 20 games playing poorly....this so called "BAD RUN" has gone on for over 2 year ever since the chicken farmers thought they could run a football team....them and them alone are responsible for the mess we're in....so Burg dont start saying you understand and dont start blaming us fans....if you want to blame someone, then lets see if you have the B*llocks to send an Email to your employees telling them they have ripped the heart out of an established football club....i dare you!
Absolutely spot on
[quote][p][bold]Ray Gunn[/bold] wrote: Ok!, can i start with a quote from Burgs statement...."I understand the frustration and most of that we feel as well. The players, myself, the staff"...first off you DONT feel anything like the frustration of us fans, because (1) at the end of the day you, singh, the players and the venkys can walk away from Rovers, and us fans are left to pick up the pieces, and (2) whilst us the fans are paying our hard earned money in these difficult financial times to go to games, yourself, the venkys, singh, staff and players are making money out of this. now tell me again, how the hell can you feel as frustrated as us fans?...you also state the words "when you're on a bad run"....well in my opinion a "BAD RUN" is when you've gone 1, 4, 10 or even 20 games playing poorly....this so called "BAD RUN" has gone on for over 2 year ever since the chicken farmers thought they could run a football team....them and them alone are responsible for the mess we're in....so Burg dont start saying you understand and dont start blaming us fans....if you want to blame someone, then lets see if you have the B*llocks to send an Email to your employees telling them they have ripped the heart out of an established football club....i dare you![/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on J.C - Rishton

11:56am Mon 17 Dec 12

blueblooded says...

hugofakenham wrote:
MatthewCA wrote:
It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.
you lot have always had a WHINING mentality
Where as you lot don't have any mentality apart from paying more attention to Rovers than your own articles. Several dingle posters all weekend posting crap after crap and I come across Sean "sounds like Kean" Dyche's article bemoaning how you deserved better or whatever keano crap and guess what?

Not a single comment. Oh how I laughed!

Sad sad inbreds. Admit it, its dull being a dingle nobody.
[quote][p][bold]hugofakenham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.[/p][/quote]you lot have always had a WHINING mentality[/p][/quote]Where as you lot don't have any mentality apart from paying more attention to Rovers than your own articles. Several dingle posters all weekend posting crap after crap and I come across Sean "sounds like Kean" Dyche's article bemoaning how you deserved better or whatever keano crap and guess what? Not a single comment. Oh how I laughed! Sad sad inbreds. Admit it, its dull being a dingle nobody. blueblooded

12:01pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Tatts says...

I think Ronald MacDonald could have done a better job of coaching our players this season.

And maybe even Liz MacDonald...
I think Ronald MacDonald could have done a better job of coaching our players this season. And maybe even Liz MacDonald... Tatts

12:07pm Mon 17 Dec 12

AndyW says...

GAZHAY wrote:
MatthewCA wrote:
It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.
Tell me how Robbo will be better????
We have seen an amount of inept performances by Robbo and a change was needed, plus he needs to lose about 2 stone as all the long range shots he gets beat by are because he is overweight. Give Kean a chance although Bunn should never have been let go.
Bunn has been proving recently why he's nowhere near ready to be a number 1 - Norwich have been winning matches, but Bunn has been poor and conceded weak goals.

I think it's a mistake to drop Robbo.
He is overweight and needs to address that as quickly as possible, but he's infinitely better than either Bunn or Kean at this stage of their careers.

Put Friedel behind the current shower in our defence and he too would look poor.
[quote][p][bold]GAZHAY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.[/p][/quote]Tell me how Robbo will be better???? We have seen an amount of inept performances by Robbo and a change was needed, plus he needs to lose about 2 stone as all the long range shots he gets beat by are because he is overweight. Give Kean a chance although Bunn should never have been let go.[/p][/quote]Bunn has been proving recently why he's nowhere near ready to be a number 1 - Norwich have been winning matches, but Bunn has been poor and conceded weak goals. I think it's a mistake to drop Robbo. He is overweight and needs to address that as quickly as possible, but he's infinitely better than either Bunn or Kean at this stage of their careers. Put Friedel behind the current shower in our defence and he too would look poor. AndyW

12:09pm Mon 17 Dec 12

merlinrabbit says...

Blackburn Yoof wrote:
Judging by the article it seems that it's not Berg's choice to replace his staff but 'his bosses'. Does that mean Singh? What a joke of a club we've become under Venky's.

Oh and Henning, try getting some results before having a go at the fans. it's your job to inspire the players, not ours. That's why you get paid. It's like Kean never left.
I doubt he was having a go at the fans. He will have been asked about the chants. He has to respond. He could have said he didnt care about the fans like Kean did. If we are fed up with the circus and the amateurs running our club, can you imagine what its like working for them? Those players expect a professional set up. It must be demoralising dancing to the tune of people like Kean and Singh. No wonder they look so dejected. And then they get the fans on at them too!
[quote][p][bold]Blackburn Yoof[/bold] wrote: Judging by the article it seems that it's not Berg's choice to replace his staff but 'his bosses'. Does that mean Singh? What a joke of a club we've become under Venky's. Oh and Henning, try getting some results before having a go at the fans. it's your job to inspire the players, not ours. That's why you get paid. It's like Kean never left.[/p][/quote]I doubt he was having a go at the fans. He will have been asked about the chants. He has to respond. He could have said he didnt care about the fans like Kean did. If we are fed up with the circus and the amateurs running our club, can you imagine what its like working for them? Those players expect a professional set up. It must be demoralising dancing to the tune of people like Kean and Singh. No wonder they look so dejected. And then they get the fans on at them too! merlinrabbit

12:12pm Mon 17 Dec 12

merlinrabbit says...

roverinmanchstr wrote:
merlinrabbit wrote:
noddymcleod wrote:
Kean was hopeless but defiant and even cocky in his tenure, therefore I understoood the fans' abuse and eventually, much too late, it did contribute to his dismissal.
There is no sense whatsoever submitting Berg to abuse, whatever misgivings there may be about him.The squad we have is what he has to work with, some "promising" players are just not going to make it -Rochina, Formica.
Some expensive players, Murphy, Etuhu, Dann were signed for agents' fee more than football ability. Olsen has lost heart, Hanley isn't even Championship class and Lowe will never be better than OK.
Let's see what Berg can do in January - whether he has a free hand to choose or whether we'll be dealing mainly for others to get their percentage, or whether Vnkys are going to spend any more remains in doubt. By now even the dimmest owners - eg Venkys - must have realised they don't have the dosh to cut it in the Premiership, and even worse don't have the management structure or players to get back into the Premeirship. Rovers cannot be made into the hatchery they might have wanted it to be, buy youngsters train them up and flog them. This hasn't worked, I presume Rochina dn Formica were prototypes of that failed plan.
So any stability let alone a return to the Premiership will have to depend on good old fashioned footie management, not unlike te job Souey did for us.
Whether Venkys have the guts or brains to realise that, I doubt. Certainly that loon they employ as a global adviser hasn't and unfortunately he probably has more sway with Venkys than Berg.
It's dire but howling abuse at the players and Berg does no good.
I always thought they should have got Souness in on a short term contract till end of season. Too much money and I cant imagine him working with those lunatics and amateurs
What??? Souness in the short term!!! Do you really think that he would work for Venky's.............

........ perhaps for thirty seconds in order to tell them to f*** off
Erh I think I said he wouldnt work for them didnt I? Do you actually read the posts or just pick out key words?
[quote][p][bold]roverinmanchstr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merlinrabbit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noddymcleod[/bold] wrote: Kean was hopeless but defiant and even cocky in his tenure, therefore I understoood the fans' abuse and eventually, much too late, it did contribute to his dismissal. There is no sense whatsoever submitting Berg to abuse, whatever misgivings there may be about him.The squad we have is what he has to work with, some "promising" players are just not going to make it -Rochina, Formica. Some expensive players, Murphy, Etuhu, Dann were signed for agents' fee more than football ability. Olsen has lost heart, Hanley isn't even Championship class and Lowe will never be better than OK. Let's see what Berg can do in January - whether he has a free hand to choose or whether we'll be dealing mainly for others to get their percentage, or whether Vnkys are going to spend any more remains in doubt. By now even the dimmest owners - eg Venkys - must have realised they don't have the dosh to cut it in the Premiership, and even worse don't have the management structure or players to get back into the Premeirship. Rovers cannot be made into the hatchery they might have wanted it to be, buy youngsters train them up and flog them. This hasn't worked, I presume Rochina dn Formica were prototypes of that failed plan. So any stability let alone a return to the Premiership will have to depend on good old fashioned footie management, not unlike te job Souey did for us. Whether Venkys have the guts or brains to realise that, I doubt. Certainly that loon they employ as a global adviser hasn't and unfortunately he probably has more sway with Venkys than Berg. It's dire but howling abuse at the players and Berg does no good.[/p][/quote]I always thought they should have got Souness in on a short term contract till end of season. Too much money and I cant imagine him working with those lunatics and amateurs[/p][/quote]What??? Souness in the short term!!! Do you really think that he would work for Venky's............. ........ perhaps for thirty seconds in order to tell them to f*** off[/p][/quote]Erh I think I said he wouldnt work for them didnt I? Do you actually read the posts or just pick out key words? merlinrabbit

12:14pm Mon 17 Dec 12

merlinrabbit says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
merlinrabbit wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that.

Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it.

Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!!

If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.
Frankly I found it embarrassing. It totally discredits the objections we gave towards Kean and how fans stated they would be prefer anybody as long as it wasnt him. Clearly thats not the case because in no time at all, the fans have turned again in a very short time.
fans were singing against SS and Venkys in the main - don't tell me thats not allowed either ????????????????????

?????????????????/
Im not telling you anything that's allowed. I dont make the rules. Iv just had enough of the chanting at games. Its done no good whatsoever except get us fans a bad reputation and demoralise the players - Iv been told that it does from the horses mouth. Fans always think the players dont hear or arent bothered. They are. We need a different strategy though god knows what that is.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merlinrabbit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that. Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it. Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!! If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.[/p][/quote]Frankly I found it embarrassing. It totally discredits the objections we gave towards Kean and how fans stated they would be prefer anybody as long as it wasnt him. Clearly thats not the case because in no time at all, the fans have turned again in a very short time.[/p][/quote]fans were singing against SS and Venkys in the main - don't tell me thats not allowed either ???????????????????? ?????????????????/[/p][/quote]Im not telling you anything that's allowed. I dont make the rules. Iv just had enough of the chanting at games. Its done no good whatsoever except get us fans a bad reputation and demoralise the players - Iv been told that it does from the horses mouth. Fans always think the players dont hear or arent bothered. They are. We need a different strategy though god knows what that is. merlinrabbit

12:19pm Mon 17 Dec 12

blueblooded says...

blueblooded wrote:
hugofakenham wrote:
MatthewCA wrote:
It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.
you lot have always had a WHINING mentality
Where as you lot don't have any mentality apart from paying more attention to Rovers than your own articles. Several dingle posters all weekend posting crap after crap and I come across Sean "sounds like Kean" Dyche's article bemoaning how you deserved better or whatever keano crap and guess what?

Not a single comment. Oh how I laughed!

Sad sad inbreds. Admit it, its dull being a dingle nobody.
Enjoy!

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[quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hugofakenham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.[/p][/quote]you lot have always had a WHINING mentality[/p][/quote]Where as you lot don't have any mentality apart from paying more attention to Rovers than your own articles. Several dingle posters all weekend posting crap after crap and I come across Sean "sounds like Kean" Dyche's article bemoaning how you deserved better or whatever keano crap and guess what? Not a single comment. Oh how I laughed! Sad sad inbreds. Admit it, its dull being a dingle nobody.[/p][/quote]Enjoy! www.lancashiretelegr aph.co.uk/sport/foot ball/10111183.We_des erved_more_than_a_dr aw__says_Burnley_bos s_Dyche/?action=succ ess blueblooded

12:40pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Nuttall Street says...

carlmc1 wrote:
I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager.

Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are.

I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!
The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.
[quote][p][bold]carlmc1[/bold] wrote: I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon![/p][/quote]The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have. Nuttall Street

12:42pm Mon 17 Dec 12

fanny_tickler. says...

blueblooded wrote:
hugofakenham wrote:
MatthewCA wrote:
It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.
you lot have always had a WHINING mentality
Where as you lot don't have any mentality apart from paying more attention to Rovers than your own articles. Several dingle posters all weekend posting crap after crap and I come across Sean "sounds like Kean" Dyche's article bemoaning how you deserved better or whatever keano crap and guess what?

Not a single comment. Oh how I laughed!

Sad sad inbreds. Admit it, its dull being a dingle nobody.
At times yes. But it's a lot more fun now we've got you lot to laugh at.
[quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hugofakenham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.[/p][/quote]you lot have always had a WHINING mentality[/p][/quote]Where as you lot don't have any mentality apart from paying more attention to Rovers than your own articles. Several dingle posters all weekend posting crap after crap and I come across Sean "sounds like Kean" Dyche's article bemoaning how you deserved better or whatever keano crap and guess what? Not a single comment. Oh how I laughed! Sad sad inbreds. Admit it, its dull being a dingle nobody.[/p][/quote]At times yes. But it's a lot more fun now we've got you lot to laugh at. fanny_tickler.

12:44pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Riverside 7 says...

Just why did Henning Berg have no backroom staff to bring along with him when he was appointed?

Answer - because he had been out of work for 12 months and didn't have any!

After his appontment I did ask the question on this forum why he had been out for so long and had been working as a TV football pundit.
The answer I got from one poster was that he had been simply waiting for the right opportunity to come along.

Trust me, if he had been any good a a manager in Norway someone would have appointed him as manager within weeks.

I am afraid that so far, Berg hasn't shown any leadership or tactical knowledge whatsoever - e.g. Rhodes continues to be completely isolated up front.

Remember, in Paul Ince's case - it was obvious to fans after a few weeks in charge that he was not the man.

Is Berg the right man - I doubt it.
Just why did Henning Berg have no backroom staff to bring along with him when he was appointed? Answer - because he had been out of work for 12 months and didn't have any! After his appontment I did ask the question on this forum why he had been out for so long and had been working as a TV football pundit. The answer I got from one poster was that he had been simply waiting for the right opportunity to come along. Trust me, if he had been any good a a manager in Norway someone would have appointed him as manager within weeks. I am afraid that so far, Berg hasn't shown any leadership or tactical knowledge whatsoever - e.g. Rhodes continues to be completely isolated up front. Remember, in Paul Ince's case - it was obvious to fans after a few weeks in charge that he was not the man. Is Berg the right man - I doubt it. Riverside 7

12:45pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Will P says...

The structure in place at the moment is unprofessional and you have to remember, the coaches job is to mould the players into how they want them to be playing. Now obviously the way they've been being told to play, the technique and the attitude being put into the players is wrong.

Berg however, isn't the whole coaching staff. Berg doesn't represent whether a player is talented or not. His record so far has been poor, granted, but none of the players have an idea what's going on. Only a small minority play like they have something to go for, the rest seem to be waiting for a transfer.

Now to have that attitude, the people who you are learning from install that into them. You always learn more from someone inspiring or from someone who makes you try to bring the best out. That's what we need, coaches who will spur them on, and even if they aren't technically great, at least make them a trier. Look at Norwich, they just work hard for each other.

I don't like the formation either, I don't like 4-4-2, it's dull, predictable and most teams now can just change their style to take over the midfield. I'd go for 3-5-2 but we don't have good enough centre backs/a defensive midfielder/or midfielders to pull it off.

There aren't excuses either, if they can't find the players to bring in in january, then they are just lazy and idle. The players and coaches are out there, you can buy better players than we have even with a Venky's budget!

Where's a Qatari when we need one.
The structure in place at the moment is unprofessional and you have to remember, the coaches job is to mould the players into how they want them to be playing. Now obviously the way they've been being told to play, the technique and the attitude being put into the players is wrong. Berg however, isn't the whole coaching staff. Berg doesn't represent whether a player is talented or not. His record so far has been poor, granted, but none of the players have an idea what's going on. Only a small minority play like they have something to go for, the rest seem to be waiting for a transfer. Now to have that attitude, the people who you are learning from install that into them. You always learn more from someone inspiring or from someone who makes you try to bring the best out. That's what we need, coaches who will spur them on, and even if they aren't technically great, at least make them a trier. Look at Norwich, they just work hard for each other. I don't like the formation either, I don't like 4-4-2, it's dull, predictable and most teams now can just change their style to take over the midfield. I'd go for 3-5-2 but we don't have good enough centre backs/a defensive midfielder/or midfielders to pull it off. There aren't excuses either, if they can't find the players to bring in in january, then they are just lazy and idle. The players and coaches are out there, you can buy better players than we have even with a Venky's budget! Where's a Qatari when we need one. Will P

12:58pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Dukes says...

changing the backroom makes nothing betters the issues is berg he needs going,we needed experience.

VENKYS AND BERG OUT.
changing the backroom makes nothing betters the issues is berg he needs going,we needed experience. VENKYS AND BERG OUT. Dukes

12:58pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Sam-the-Man says...

Sorry about this folks but it is nearly Christmas.

If this guy joins us we will be served McDonalds Chicken Bergers.
Sorry about this folks but it is nearly Christmas. If this guy joins us we will be served McDonalds Chicken Bergers. Sam-the-Man

1:30pm Mon 17 Dec 12

wilpshireover says...

As a recent newcomer it seems to me that the BR fans, as at many clubs, can be rather fickle and impatient. This manager has been here 9 games which is not that long. I always thoght it would take 9 to 12 months to turn things around and produce a team to get promoted, and more importantly, stay there.

Whoever owns the club, it is only the players and manager that can change things. I reckon the manager should stop making press statements and concentrate on the team. As they say, actions speak louder than words, and that is where the fans want to see the improvemt. I personally do not care who owns the club and money is not always the answer.

Rangers appear to be using home grown players because they have no choice. Perhaps that is the route to take, have local players who want to play with pride for their own local team.
As a recent newcomer it seems to me that the BR fans, as at many clubs, can be rather fickle and impatient. This manager has been here 9 games which is not that long. I always thoght it would take 9 to 12 months to turn things around and produce a team to get promoted, and more importantly, stay there. Whoever owns the club, it is only the players and manager that can change things. I reckon the manager should stop making press statements and concentrate on the team. As they say, actions speak louder than words, and that is where the fans want to see the improvemt. I personally do not care who owns the club and money is not always the answer. Rangers appear to be using home grown players because they have no choice. Perhaps that is the route to take, have local players who want to play with pride for their own local team. wilpshireover

1:31pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Ronaldpetercooper says...

Frankly we need some new backroom staff asp particularly a fitness coach as we have too many unfit and overweight players. But why does it take so b####y long to make these changes. They have been talking about it far too long. For goodness sake get off your butts and make some decisions today and not tomorrow.
Frankly we need some new backroom staff asp particularly a fitness coach as we have too many unfit and overweight players. But why does it take so b####y long to make these changes. They have been talking about it far too long. For goodness sake get off your butts and make some decisions today and not tomorrow. Ronaldpetercooper

1:37pm Mon 17 Dec 12

wilpshireover says...

Referring back to Sam Alladyce, I think it was highly ironic that he went to WHU and promptly took them up, taking Rovers place. He must have laughed for a week, and who could blame him, the way he was treated.
Referring back to Sam Alladyce, I think it was highly ironic that he went to WHU and promptly took them up, taking Rovers place. He must have laughed for a week, and who could blame him, the way he was treated. wilpshireover

1:39pm Mon 17 Dec 12

noddymcleod says...

Berg wasn't in a position to "insist" on anything before he started -rightly or not his strategy was to get his foot in the door first. How much wriggle room he actually has, remains to be seen.
I repeat, he's our best option for now. Venkys are not going to splash out on another, possibly dearer manager.
Consider this, Berg may outlast the Venkys. I reckon keeping Rovers afloat is all I am looking for at the moment.
Why do the LET persist in the joke of calling Shabby "global adviser" ? I know he calls himself that, but why is the LET adding to the laugh, it just makes us ridicilous.
I can call myself "global commentator" but does that mean everyone else should.
I'd prefer "SS who has an ill defined but influential position at Rovers based on no previous experience of running any football outfit"
Berg wasn't in a position to "insist" on anything before he started -rightly or not his strategy was to get his foot in the door first. How much wriggle room he actually has, remains to be seen. I repeat, he's our best option for now. Venkys are not going to splash out on another, possibly dearer manager. Consider this, Berg may outlast the Venkys. I reckon keeping Rovers afloat is all I am looking for at the moment. Why do the LET persist in the joke of calling Shabby "global adviser" ? I know he calls himself that, but why is the LET adding to the laugh, it just makes us ridicilous. I can call myself "global commentator" but does that mean everyone else should. I'd prefer "SS who has an ill defined but influential position at Rovers based on no previous experience of running any football outfit" noddymcleod

1:42pm Mon 17 Dec 12

wilpshireover says...

The most important thing is to stop the slide towards relegation, which is not an impossibilty. The way the team are playing is relegation form.
The most important thing is to stop the slide towards relegation, which is not an impossibilty. The way the team are playing is relegation form. wilpshireover

1:52pm Mon 17 Dec 12

wilpshireover says...

A point I cannot understand is the need for near on 40 players. We appear to have a squad larger than many in the Chmpionship, and lots of these players have not been tried in the first team. We are no longer a PL club, so why have a PL size squad? We need less quantity more quality. Some of the more recent signings are either past their sell by date or continually on the treatment table.
A point I cannot understand is the need for near on 40 players. We appear to have a squad larger than many in the Chmpionship, and lots of these players have not been tried in the first team. We are no longer a PL club, so why have a PL size squad? We need less quantity more quality. Some of the more recent signings are either past their sell by date or continually on the treatment table. wilpshireover

1:52pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Bill Carson says...

I'm afraid the current situation only confirms that BRFC are still well and truly in the mire. Rovers appear to have the most inept administration and general management of any so-called professional club. The time taken to appoint the rank outsider Berg was laughable and yet again exposed Rovers failings. Any other club would have ensured the right man was in place to greet to extra 5000 fans that turned out immediately after SKs departure. Instead, Shebby Singh missed another opportunity and allowed the existing backroom staff to flounder. The damage was already done this season by allowing SK to remain and the numerous mediocre signings that replaced the quality sold.
I was prepared to give Berg 10 games to make an impact or at least see some positive changes, sadly he has failed and his position is hopeless.
The reality is that Venkys are novice owners, Shebby Singh's inexperience is so glaringly unprofessional, that the coaching and playing staff are totally demotivated. Unfortunately Berg's arrival is too little too late.
I'm afraid the current situation only confirms that BRFC are still well and truly in the mire. Rovers appear to have the most inept administration and general management of any so-called professional club. The time taken to appoint the rank outsider Berg was laughable and yet again exposed Rovers failings. Any other club would have ensured the right man was in place to greet to extra 5000 fans that turned out immediately after SKs departure. Instead, Shebby Singh missed another opportunity and allowed the existing backroom staff to flounder. The damage was already done this season by allowing SK to remain and the numerous mediocre signings that replaced the quality sold. I was prepared to give Berg 10 games to make an impact or at least see some positive changes, sadly he has failed and his position is hopeless. The reality is that Venkys are novice owners, Shebby Singh's inexperience is so glaringly unprofessional, that the coaching and playing staff are totally demotivated. Unfortunately Berg's arrival is too little too late. Bill Carson

1:56pm Mon 17 Dec 12

dangerous dave says...

Just listened to Berg on Radio Lancs he says the games against Blackpool Cardiff Millwall were pretty even - must have been at different games to me - we lacked in every department but mostly in defence - beginning to 'sound a bit like Kean'!!!!!
OUT WITH SHAW AGNEW SINGH BLACK HENDRY AND MAYBE BERG
Just listened to Berg on Radio Lancs he says the games against Blackpool Cardiff Millwall were pretty even - must have been at different games to me - we lacked in every department but mostly in defence - beginning to 'sound a bit like Kean'!!!!! OUT WITH SHAW AGNEW SINGH BLACK HENDRY AND MAYBE BERG dangerous dave

1:57pm Mon 17 Dec 12

wilpshireover says...

Ronaldpetercooper, do they take so long to make decisions because they all have to be OKd in India?

I think the fans would have more time for the owners if they actually attended the matches. Their absence does tend to give an impression of disinterest in the club. I don't think I have ever seen anyone in the directors box at Eood, but I might be wrong.
Ronaldpetercooper, do they take so long to make decisions because they all have to be OKd in India? I think the fans would have more time for the owners if they actually attended the matches. Their absence does tend to give an impression of disinterest in the club. I don't think I have ever seen anyone in the directors box at Eood, but I might be wrong. wilpshireover

1:57pm Mon 17 Dec 12

wilpshireover says...

Ronaldpetercooper, do they take so long to make decisions because they all have to be OKd in India?

I think the fans would have more time for the owners if they actually attended the matches. Their absence does tend to give an impression of disinterest in the club. I don't think I have ever seen anyone in the directors box at Eood, but I might be wrong.
Ronaldpetercooper, do they take so long to make decisions because they all have to be OKd in India? I think the fans would have more time for the owners if they actually attended the matches. Their absence does tend to give an impression of disinterest in the club. I don't think I have ever seen anyone in the directors box at Eood, but I might be wrong. wilpshireover

2:16pm Mon 17 Dec 12

wilpshireover says...

Fitness is a problem. When I first started watching Rovers I immediately noticed at the time that Junior Holiet was certainly overweight, and whereas the Cardiff and Millwall players ran from start to finish, Rovers looked out of stamina and pace. Mind you, they were chasing shadows most of the time, because the other sides always looked as if they have more players than us. Our players seem to walk everywhere, even when they are losing. When I was at school we were taught pass and move, this does not seem to happen with Rovers.

An example of this is that the players of other sides trot or run over to take corners, sometimes ours amble as if it is an effort. Says it all, I guess.

My brothers, who live and support a team in the south of England, watched the Cardif debacle on Sky, which was very embarassing. They thought Rovers lacked awareness in midfield and defence and were too predictable in the final third. They are dead right!!!!
Fitness is a problem. When I first started watching Rovers I immediately noticed at the time that Junior Holiet was certainly overweight, and whereas the Cardiff and Millwall players ran from start to finish, Rovers looked out of stamina and pace. Mind you, they were chasing shadows most of the time, because the other sides always looked as if they have more players than us. Our players seem to walk everywhere, even when they are losing. When I was at school we were taught pass and move, this does not seem to happen with Rovers. An example of this is that the players of other sides trot or run over to take corners, sometimes ours amble as if it is an effort. Says it all, I guess. My brothers, who live and support a team in the south of England, watched the Cardif debacle on Sky, which was very embarassing. They thought Rovers lacked awareness in midfield and defence and were too predictable in the final third. They are dead right!!!! wilpshireover

2:17pm Mon 17 Dec 12

noddymcleod says...

We have a squad of 40 because that represents 40 actual and potential agents fees.
We have a squad of 40 because that represents 40 actual and potential agents fees. noddymcleod

2:17pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Angry From Accrington says...

At least Berg is admitting that he is incapable of managing and coaching so rather than bring in McDonald as an assistant why not bring him in as a replacement?
We could operate a system of guest managers: bring in a new one every month until we get one who can achieve three successive victories then give him ( or her ) a three year contract.
At least Berg is admitting that he is incapable of managing and coaching so rather than bring in McDonald as an assistant why not bring him in as a replacement? We could operate a system of guest managers: bring in a new one every month until we get one who can achieve three successive victories then give him ( or her ) a three year contract. Angry From Accrington

2:18pm Mon 17 Dec 12

bburnrover says...

Problems Problems Problems all because they sacked Big Fat Sam someone discover who's idea that was and form a lynch mob.

We are never going to get back on track and this may sound racist but they need to stop employing foreiners and appoint someone as UK adviser who knows the game and can help Berg and get rid of Charlie Chaplin prompto.
Problems Problems Problems all because they sacked Big Fat Sam someone discover who's idea that was and form a lynch mob. We are never going to get back on track and this may sound racist but they need to stop employing foreiners and appoint someone as UK adviser who knows the game and can help Berg and get rid of Charlie Chaplin prompto. bburnrover

2:25pm Mon 17 Dec 12

hornbypeggy says...

Folk keep saying wait until Berg brings his own players in , who the hell are we expecting, would you yourself sign for this debacle of a club , unless you was passed it or 16 year old, get real we are stuffed get the towel
Folk keep saying wait until Berg brings his own players in , who the hell are we expecting, would you yourself sign for this debacle of a club , unless you was passed it or 16 year old, get real we are stuffed get the towel hornbypeggy

2:39pm Mon 17 Dec 12

english rose 1 says...

hornbypeggy wrote:
Folk keep saying wait until Berg brings his own players in , who the hell are we expecting, would you yourself sign for this debacle of a club , unless you was passed it or 16 year old, get real we are stuffed get the towel
Fair comment. However, Berg has been left a squad with:

a) no left back
b) no box to box midfield player
c) no natural right sided forward player
d) no attacker who can hold the ball up (ok, we have to see Best yet)
e) a lot of old, very slow, immobile, ageing players susceptible to injury
f) no decent crosser of a ball / dead ball specialist (except Pedersen - see e above !)

Kean & Venky's between them systematically got rid of all the best players we had (too numerous to mention) and all our best backroom / admin staff in order to reduce the wage bill and satisfy their 'consultants'. All this with no experience or a clue how to run a football club.

I expected Rovers to struggle this season - I even contemplated a bet that we'd get relegated, - Berg has a big task. He must be given time. Write this season off, don't get relegated, and try to kick on next season.
[quote][p][bold]hornbypeggy[/bold] wrote: Folk keep saying wait until Berg brings his own players in , who the hell are we expecting, would you yourself sign for this debacle of a club , unless you was passed it or 16 year old, get real we are stuffed get the towel[/p][/quote]Fair comment. However, Berg has been left a squad with: a) no left back b) no box to box midfield player c) no natural right sided forward player d) no attacker who can hold the ball up (ok, we have to see Best yet) e) a lot of old, very slow, immobile, ageing players susceptible to injury f) no decent crosser of a ball / dead ball specialist (except Pedersen - see e above !) Kean & Venky's between them systematically got rid of all the best players we had (too numerous to mention) and all our best backroom / admin staff in order to reduce the wage bill and satisfy their 'consultants'. All this with no experience or a clue how to run a football club. I expected Rovers to struggle this season - I even contemplated a bet that we'd get relegated, - Berg has a big task. He must be given time. Write this season off, don't get relegated, and try to kick on next season. english rose 1

2:45pm Mon 17 Dec 12

katrew says...

What a complete shambles. Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic springs to mind.
What a complete shambles. Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic springs to mind. katrew

2:49pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Return of the Magnificent se7en says...

english rose 1 wrote:
hornbypeggy wrote:
Folk keep saying wait until Berg brings his own players in , who the hell are we expecting, would you yourself sign for this debacle of a club , unless you was passed it or 16 year old, get real we are stuffed get the towel
Fair comment. However, Berg has been left a squad with:

a) no left back
b) no box to box midfield player
c) no natural right sided forward player
d) no attacker who can hold the ball up (ok, we have to see Best yet)
e) a lot of old, very slow, immobile, ageing players susceptible to injury
f) no decent crosser of a ball / dead ball specialist (except Pedersen - see e above !)

Kean & Venky's between them systematically got rid of all the best players we had (too numerous to mention) and all our best backroom / admin staff in order to reduce the wage bill and satisfy their 'consultants'. All this with no experience or a clue how to run a football club.

I expected Rovers to struggle this season - I even contemplated a bet that we'd get relegated, - Berg has a big task. He must be given time. Write this season off, don't get relegated, and try to kick on next season.
Totally agree, these forums are getting overrun with doomongers, naysayers and the deluded. This team is nowhere near balanced and too easy to defend against. The sooner Berg gets some better players in and has a massive clear out the better for us moving forward. Square pegs in round holes at the minute. Roll on January window.
[quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hornbypeggy[/bold] wrote: Folk keep saying wait until Berg brings his own players in , who the hell are we expecting, would you yourself sign for this debacle of a club , unless you was passed it or 16 year old, get real we are stuffed get the towel[/p][/quote]Fair comment. However, Berg has been left a squad with: a) no left back b) no box to box midfield player c) no natural right sided forward player d) no attacker who can hold the ball up (ok, we have to see Best yet) e) a lot of old, very slow, immobile, ageing players susceptible to injury f) no decent crosser of a ball / dead ball specialist (except Pedersen - see e above !) Kean & Venky's between them systematically got rid of all the best players we had (too numerous to mention) and all our best backroom / admin staff in order to reduce the wage bill and satisfy their 'consultants'. All this with no experience or a clue how to run a football club. I expected Rovers to struggle this season - I even contemplated a bet that we'd get relegated, - Berg has a big task. He must be given time. Write this season off, don't get relegated, and try to kick on next season.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, these forums are getting overrun with doomongers, naysayers and the deluded. This team is nowhere near balanced and too easy to defend against. The sooner Berg gets some better players in and has a massive clear out the better for us moving forward. Square pegs in round holes at the minute. Roll on January window. Return of the Magnificent se7en

2:49pm Mon 17 Dec 12

hornbypeggy says...

english rose 1 wrote:
hornbypeggy wrote:
Folk keep saying wait until Berg brings his own players in , who the hell are we expecting, would you yourself sign for this debacle of a club , unless you was passed it or 16 year old, get real we are stuffed get the towel
Fair comment. However, Berg has been left a squad with:

a) no left back
b) no box to box midfield player
c) no natural right sided forward player
d) no attacker who can hold the ball up (ok, we have to see Best yet)
e) a lot of old, very slow, immobile, ageing players susceptible to injury
f) no decent crosser of a ball / dead ball specialist (except Pedersen - see e above !)

Kean & Venky's between them systematically got rid of all the best players we had (too numerous to mention) and all our best backroom / admin staff in order to reduce the wage bill and satisfy their 'consultants'. All this with no experience or a clue how to run a football club.

I expected Rovers to struggle this season - I even contemplated a bet that we'd get relegated, - Berg has a big task. He must be given time. Write this season off, don't get relegated, and try to kick on next season.
I really can't see the fitness issue being as bad as people are saying . I think the problem is more of a mental one players need motivating not running into the ground. Daft as it may sound in this state I dont think Robin Van Persie would make a difference, we have managed to drag a decent striker (Jordan Rhodes ) down to a mediocre player with no service, I hate writing all this but sadly it is true in my opinion
[quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hornbypeggy[/bold] wrote: Folk keep saying wait until Berg brings his own players in , who the hell are we expecting, would you yourself sign for this debacle of a club , unless you was passed it or 16 year old, get real we are stuffed get the towel[/p][/quote]Fair comment. However, Berg has been left a squad with: a) no left back b) no box to box midfield player c) no natural right sided forward player d) no attacker who can hold the ball up (ok, we have to see Best yet) e) a lot of old, very slow, immobile, ageing players susceptible to injury f) no decent crosser of a ball / dead ball specialist (except Pedersen - see e above !) Kean & Venky's between them systematically got rid of all the best players we had (too numerous to mention) and all our best backroom / admin staff in order to reduce the wage bill and satisfy their 'consultants'. All this with no experience or a clue how to run a football club. I expected Rovers to struggle this season - I even contemplated a bet that we'd get relegated, - Berg has a big task. He must be given time. Write this season off, don't get relegated, and try to kick on next season.[/p][/quote]I really can't see the fitness issue being as bad as people are saying . I think the problem is more of a mental one players need motivating not running into the ground. Daft as it may sound in this state I dont think Robin Van Persie would make a difference, we have managed to drag a decent striker (Jordan Rhodes ) down to a mediocre player with no service, I hate writing all this but sadly it is true in my opinion hornbypeggy

2:50pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Return of the Magnificent se7en says...

Nuttall Street wrote:
carlmc1 wrote:
I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager.

Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are.

I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!
The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.
Just thought I'd let you know, he's gone and he aint coming back.
[quote][p][bold]Nuttall Street[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlmc1[/bold] wrote: I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon![/p][/quote]The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.[/p][/quote]Just thought I'd let you know, he's gone and he aint coming back. Return of the Magnificent se7en

2:57pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Return of the Magnificent se7en says...

Nuttall Street wrote:
carlmc1 wrote:
I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager.

Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are.

I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!
The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.
Also, I think that the word outstanding is stretching it a bit on your part. Steady yes, outstanding never. He has won nothing, ever except maybe the most throw ins during a game award or longest hoof., most stupid goal celebration with Okocha that must be taking pride of place in the trophy cabinet.
[quote][p][bold]Nuttall Street[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlmc1[/bold] wrote: I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon![/p][/quote]The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.[/p][/quote]Also, I think that the word outstanding is stretching it a bit on your part. Steady yes, outstanding never. He has won nothing, ever except maybe the most throw ins during a game award or longest hoof., most stupid goal celebration with Okocha that must be taking pride of place in the trophy cabinet. Return of the Magnificent se7en

3:03pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Return of the Magnificent se7en says...

hornbypeggy wrote:
english rose 1 wrote:
hornbypeggy wrote:
Folk keep saying wait until Berg brings his own players in , who the hell are we expecting, would you yourself sign for this debacle of a club , unless you was passed it or 16 year old, get real we are stuffed get the towel
Fair comment. However, Berg has been left a squad with:

a) no left back
b) no box to box midfield player
c) no natural right sided forward player
d) no attacker who can hold the ball up (ok, we have to see Best yet)
e) a lot of old, very slow, immobile, ageing players susceptible to injury
f) no decent crosser of a ball / dead ball specialist (except Pedersen - see e above !)

Kean & Venky's between them systematically got rid of all the best players we had (too numerous to mention) and all our best backroom / admin staff in order to reduce the wage bill and satisfy their 'consultants'. All this with no experience or a clue how to run a football club.

I expected Rovers to struggle this season - I even contemplated a bet that we'd get relegated, - Berg has a big task. He must be given time. Write this season off, don't get relegated, and try to kick on next season.
I really can't see the fitness issue being as bad as people are saying . I think the problem is more of a mental one players need motivating not running into the ground. Daft as it may sound in this state I dont think Robin Van Persie would make a difference, we have managed to drag a decent striker (Jordan Rhodes ) down to a mediocre player with no service, I hate writing all this but sadly it is true in my opinion
Nah mate you must have had your head in the sand for 2 years, everyone on here knows that Rovers play best when you boo the arse off them from the very first minute to the last, I mean look at where we are after 2 years booing our own. Blinding thats what they need, grinding down and breaking thats what the protests were all about. Also maybe the stay away 10000 who were going to come back when Kean had gone saw Jake Keans name on the team sheet and thought he was now playing in goal. Can someone tell them that its not the same Kean.
[quote][p][bold]hornbypeggy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hornbypeggy[/bold] wrote: Folk keep saying wait until Berg brings his own players in , who the hell are we expecting, would you yourself sign for this debacle of a club , unless you was passed it or 16 year old, get real we are stuffed get the towel[/p][/quote]Fair comment. However, Berg has been left a squad with: a) no left back b) no box to box midfield player c) no natural right sided forward player d) no attacker who can hold the ball up (ok, we have to see Best yet) e) a lot of old, very slow, immobile, ageing players susceptible to injury f) no decent crosser of a ball / dead ball specialist (except Pedersen - see e above !) Kean & Venky's between them systematically got rid of all the best players we had (too numerous to mention) and all our best backroom / admin staff in order to reduce the wage bill and satisfy their 'consultants'. All this with no experience or a clue how to run a football club. I expected Rovers to struggle this season - I even contemplated a bet that we'd get relegated, - Berg has a big task. He must be given time. Write this season off, don't get relegated, and try to kick on next season.[/p][/quote]I really can't see the fitness issue being as bad as people are saying . I think the problem is more of a mental one players need motivating not running into the ground. Daft as it may sound in this state I dont think Robin Van Persie would make a difference, we have managed to drag a decent striker (Jordan Rhodes ) down to a mediocre player with no service, I hate writing all this but sadly it is true in my opinion[/p][/quote]Nah mate you must have had your head in the sand for 2 years, everyone on here knows that Rovers play best when you boo the arse off them from the very first minute to the last, I mean look at where we are after 2 years booing our own. Blinding thats what they need, grinding down and breaking thats what the protests were all about. Also maybe the stay away 10000 who were going to come back when Kean had gone saw Jake Keans name on the team sheet and thought he was now playing in goal. Can someone tell them that its not the same Kean. Return of the Magnificent se7en

3:42pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Rover Pete says...

What a mess we are in. A defender of Berg class should easily be able to organise a back four. The players we have at the moment are a shambles.
If he cannot get them to perform reasonably then they must be crap. For goodness sake put all this weeks training into keeping a clean sheet. Play 4 at the back and 3 defensive midfielders in front of them. Forget attractive football, build up the confidnce with a solid performance and clean sheet and in a few weks build from that - hopefully with a few stronger defenive players.
Another thought - Singh will suggest changing the backroom staff as he picked Berg so his job is on the line if he admited he had made a mistakeabout him.
What a mess we are in. A defender of Berg class should easily be able to organise a back four. The players we have at the moment are a shambles. If he cannot get them to perform reasonably then they must be crap. For goodness sake put all this weeks training into keeping a clean sheet. Play 4 at the back and 3 defensive midfielders in front of them. Forget attractive football, build up the confidnce with a solid performance and clean sheet and in a few weks build from that - hopefully with a few stronger defenive players. Another thought - Singh will suggest changing the backroom staff as he picked Berg so his job is on the line if he admited he had made a mistakeabout him. Rover Pete

3:52pm Mon 17 Dec 12

blueblooded says...

fanny_tickler. wrote:
blueblooded wrote:
hugofakenham wrote:
MatthewCA wrote:
It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.
you lot have always had a WHINING mentality
Where as you lot don't have any mentality apart from paying more attention to Rovers than your own articles. Several dingle posters all weekend posting crap after crap and I come across Sean "sounds like Kean" Dyche's article bemoaning how you deserved better or whatever keano crap and guess what?

Not a single comment. Oh how I laughed!

Sad sad inbreds. Admit it, its dull being a dingle nobody.
At times yes. But it's a lot more fun now we've got you lot to laugh at.
Laugh away my sad little Jonny nobody.

No-one can hear you in turdley anyway.. Or more to the point, no-ones listening.

Even in our most dire of predicaments, I still thank the lord I'm not a Bonleh "supporter" spending my life on concentrating on an arch rival than your own.

Truly pitiful.
[quote][p][bold]fanny_tickler.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hugofakenham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.[/p][/quote]you lot have always had a WHINING mentality[/p][/quote]Where as you lot don't have any mentality apart from paying more attention to Rovers than your own articles. Several dingle posters all weekend posting crap after crap and I come across Sean "sounds like Kean" Dyche's article bemoaning how you deserved better or whatever keano crap and guess what? Not a single comment. Oh how I laughed! Sad sad inbreds. Admit it, its dull being a dingle nobody.[/p][/quote]At times yes. But it's a lot more fun now we've got you lot to laugh at.[/p][/quote]Laugh away my sad little Jonny nobody. No-one can hear you in turdley anyway.. Or more to the point, no-ones listening. Even in our most dire of predicaments, I still thank the lord I'm not a Bonleh "supporter" spending my life on concentrating on an arch rival than your own. Truly pitiful. blueblooded

4:20pm Mon 17 Dec 12

kenbro says...

We definitely need to clean out a load of deadwood. However, these deadwoods have contracts and who will take them off our hands at their inflated wages ?
Roque Santa Cruz is still at Manchester City drawing a huge wage and never playing, because he has a contract. Are we in the same boat ?
We definitely need to clean out a load of deadwood. However, these deadwoods have contracts and who will take them off our hands at their inflated wages ? Roque Santa Cruz is still at Manchester City drawing a huge wage and never playing, because he has a contract. Are we in the same boat ? kenbro

4:33pm Mon 17 Dec 12

fanny_tickler. says...

blueblooded wrote:
fanny_tickler. wrote:
blueblooded wrote:
hugofakenham wrote:
MatthewCA wrote:
It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.
you lot have always had a WHINING mentality
Where as you lot don't have any mentality apart from paying more attention to Rovers than your own articles. Several dingle posters all weekend posting crap after crap and I come across Sean "sounds like Kean" Dyche's article bemoaning how you deserved better or whatever keano crap and guess what?

Not a single comment. Oh how I laughed!

Sad sad inbreds. Admit it, its dull being a dingle nobody.
At times yes. But it's a lot more fun now we've got you lot to laugh at.
Laugh away my sad little Jonny nobody.

No-one can hear you in turdley anyway.. Or more to the point, no-ones listening.

Even in our most dire of predicaments, I still thank the lord I'm not a Bonleh "supporter" spending my life on concentrating on an arch rival than your own.

Truly pitiful.
I get the feeling it's squeaky bum for the Rovers.
[quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fanny_tickler.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blueblooded[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hugofakenham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MatthewCA[/bold] wrote: It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.[/p][/quote]you lot have always had a WHINING mentality[/p][/quote]Where as you lot don't have any mentality apart from paying more attention to Rovers than your own articles. Several dingle posters all weekend posting crap after crap and I come across Sean "sounds like Kean" Dyche's article bemoaning how you deserved better or whatever keano crap and guess what? Not a single comment. Oh how I laughed! Sad sad inbreds. Admit it, its dull being a dingle nobody.[/p][/quote]At times yes. But it's a lot more fun now we've got you lot to laugh at.[/p][/quote]Laugh away my sad little Jonny nobody. No-one can hear you in turdley anyway.. Or more to the point, no-ones listening. Even in our most dire of predicaments, I still thank the lord I'm not a Bonleh "supporter" spending my life on concentrating on an arch rival than your own. Truly pitiful.[/p][/quote]I get the feeling it's squeaky bum for the Rovers. fanny_tickler.

4:39pm Mon 17 Dec 12

owd nick says...

I don't go to away games anymore for various reason but I seriously thought about taking my daughter, who is a ST holder as well, to the Blackpool game, best decision I have made for a long time, not to go that is.

Listened to the game on the radio, the second half was appauling, what it was like for the poor sods who paid their hard earned cash for tickets is anybody's guess.

Berg doesn't stand a chance really.

The whole club from fans, players to backroom staff have been poisoned by Venky's ineptitude and Kean's mismanagement over the last two years, yet still it goes on and on, and on.

In the transcript of Shebby's forum last week it is pretty clear, when talking about resolving financial issues it was "WE are sorting them out", yet when talking about potential new players it was "I am sorting them out".

Why is a so called "Global Adviser" LOL, failed TV pundit and all round clown who knows as much about football as a dead frog, deciding what players Rovers will have?

What a shambles, and I am being extremely polite.
I don't go to away games anymore for various reason but I seriously thought about taking my daughter, who is a ST holder as well, to the Blackpool game, best decision I have made for a long time, not to go that is. Listened to the game on the radio, the second half was appauling, what it was like for the poor sods who paid their hard earned cash for tickets is anybody's guess. Berg doesn't stand a chance really. The whole club from fans, players to backroom staff have been poisoned by Venky's ineptitude and Kean's mismanagement over the last two years, yet still it goes on and on, and on. In the transcript of Shebby's forum last week it is pretty clear, when talking about resolving financial issues it was "WE are sorting them out", yet when talking about potential new players it was "I am sorting them out". Why is a so called "Global Adviser" LOL, failed TV pundit and all round clown who knows as much about football as a dead frog, deciding what players Rovers will have? What a shambles, and I am being extremely polite. owd nick

4:51pm Mon 17 Dec 12

maltaman says...

No point blaming Berg, Black, Hendry etc. The fault lies with Shebby and ultimately VENKYS. Can't blame people who have been offered the job in the first place,Numpties Venkys are the real culprts here.
No point blaming Berg, Black, Hendry etc. The fault lies with Shebby and ultimately VENKYS. Can't blame people who have been offered the job in the first place,Numpties Venkys are the real culprts here. maltaman

4:53pm Mon 17 Dec 12

forever blue and white says...

dangerous dave wrote:
Just listened to Berg on Radio Lancs he says the games against Blackpool Cardiff Millwall were pretty even - must have been at different games to me - we lacked in every department but mostly in defence - beginning to 'sound a bit like Kean'!!!!!
OUT WITH SHAW AGNEW SINGH BLACK HENDRY AND MAYBE BERG
Dangerous Dave. **** off. You are a ***
[quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: Just listened to Berg on Radio Lancs he says the games against Blackpool Cardiff Millwall were pretty even - must have been at different games to me - we lacked in every department but mostly in defence - beginning to 'sound a bit like Kean'!!!!! OUT WITH SHAW AGNEW SINGH BLACK HENDRY AND MAYBE BERG[/p][/quote]Dangerous Dave. **** off. You are a *** forever blue and white

5:04pm Mon 17 Dec 12

dangerous dave says...

forever blue and white wrote:
dangerous dave wrote:
Just listened to Berg on Radio Lancs he says the games against Blackpool Cardiff Millwall were pretty even - must have been at different games to me - we lacked in every department but mostly in defence - beginning to 'sound a bit like Kean'!!!!!
OUT WITH SHAW AGNEW SINGH BLACK HENDRY AND MAYBE BERG
Dangerous Dave. **** off. You are a ***
With the king of remarks and language you come out with you are obviously an under educated person that needs counseling in anger management!!!
[quote][p][bold]forever blue and white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: Just listened to Berg on Radio Lancs he says the games against Blackpool Cardiff Millwall were pretty even - must have been at different games to me - we lacked in every department but mostly in defence - beginning to 'sound a bit like Kean'!!!!! OUT WITH SHAW AGNEW SINGH BLACK HENDRY AND MAYBE BERG[/p][/quote]Dangerous Dave. **** off. You are a ***[/p][/quote]With the king of remarks and language you come out with you are obviously an under educated person that needs counseling in anger management!!! dangerous dave

5:04pm Mon 17 Dec 12

roverfor60years says...

We are truly in a black place, a long dark tunnel with not a glimmer of hope as things stand.

I said at the time John Williams had his contract terminated - to satisfy the avarice of Agent Anderson who wanted him out of the way to fulfil his sinister plan - that Venky's would live to rue the day. That day is here.

My thoughts on what is wrong at Ewood are well documented and I have no reason to go through them all again. Suffice to say EVERYTHING is wrong from top to bottom. It is pointless calling for Venky’s to go, or for a new manager to be appointed. Where will we be then?

It appears Venky’s are here to stay – for the foreseeable future, anyway. Mrs Desai and the Rao brothers have that future, perhaps our very existence as we know it, in the palm of their hands and in my view they can make only one decision that will save us – reappoint John Williams and Tom Finn, whatever it takes to do it.

I know many will say ‘not a chance’. But they have GOT to make it happen. John knows this club inside out. He knows a lot of what has happened and what he doesn’t know he will quickly find out from past and present members of staff. And Venky’s will need to lay bare their souls, be open with him and fully explain why they have acted with such folly for so long.

If they cannot do it themselves, get someone to do it for them. Someone with heart and soul in the club who could sit down and tempt John and Tom back - on their terms. Maybe Robert Coar, ex-directors or chairmen, Ian Battersby, Wayne Wild, anyone who could broker it. Anyone.

John will know immediately what needs to be done. Venky’s must put their trust in him, back his decisions and give him complete authority to rebuild our once-proud club as fast as he can and restore the stability we once enjoyed.

That one decision – which would be their only correct one in two years of carnage – would set us on the road to recovery. I doubt anyone else could do it.

If Venky’s cannot pull it off, heaven help us.
We are truly in a black place, a long dark tunnel with not a glimmer of hope as things stand. I said at the time John Williams had his contract terminated - to satisfy the avarice of Agent Anderson who wanted him out of the way to fulfil his sinister plan - that Venky's would live to rue the day. That day is here. My thoughts on what is wrong at Ewood are well documented and I have no reason to go through them all again. Suffice to say EVERYTHING is wrong from top to bottom. It is pointless calling for Venky’s to go, or for a new manager to be appointed. Where will we be then? It appears Venky’s are here to stay – for the foreseeable future, anyway. Mrs Desai and the Rao brothers have that future, perhaps our very existence as we know it, in the palm of their hands and in my view they can make only one decision that will save us – reappoint John Williams and Tom Finn, whatever it takes to do it. I know many will say ‘not a chance’. But they have GOT to make it happen. John knows this club inside out. He knows a lot of what has happened and what he doesn’t know he will quickly find out from past and present members of staff. And Venky’s will need to lay bare their souls, be open with him and fully explain why they have acted with such folly for so long. If they cannot do it themselves, get someone to do it for them. Someone with heart and soul in the club who could sit down and tempt John and Tom back - on their terms. Maybe Robert Coar, ex-directors or chairmen, Ian Battersby, Wayne Wild, anyone who could broker it. Anyone. John will know immediately what needs to be done. Venky’s must put their trust in him, back his decisions and give him complete authority to rebuild our once-proud club as fast as he can and restore the stability we once enjoyed. That one decision – which would be their only correct one in two years of carnage – would set us on the road to recovery. I doubt anyone else could do it. If Venky’s cannot pull it off, heaven help us. roverfor60years

5:30pm Mon 17 Dec 12

philmoulden says...

Ray Gunn wrote:
Ok!, can i start with a quote from Burgs statement...."I understand the frustration and most of that we feel as well. The players, myself, the staff"...first off you DONT feel anything like the frustration of us fans, because (1) at the end of the day you, singh, the players and the venkys can walk away from Rovers, and us fans are left to pick up the pieces, and (2) whilst us the fans are paying our hard earned money in these difficult financial times to go to games, yourself, the venkys, singh, staff and players are making money out of this. now tell me again, how the hell can you feel as frustrated as us fans?...you also state the words "when you're on a bad run"....well in my opinion a "BAD RUN" is when you've gone 1, 4, 10 or even 20 games playing poorly....this so called "BAD RUN" has gone on for over 2 year ever since the chicken farmers thought they could run a football team....them and them alone are responsible for the mess we're in....so Burg dont start saying you understand and dont start blaming us fans....if you want to blame someone, then lets see if you have the B*llocks to send an Email to your employees telling them they have ripped the heart out of an established football club....i dare you!
good quotes .
i salute those fans whom have been giving the team and manager their whole hearted support since dirt bag kean went . we are on an awful run of results yet many fans home and away still spend their hard earned money and the vocal support has been fantastic . I cannot understand the quotes from the manager as you RIGHTLY point out ,they could NEVER understand . What DO they really expect with performance after performance like at present , will they enjoy christmas if beaten by brighton ,sure they will , ive been in a state of depression since the farmers took over Rovers . Im still hanging on hoping berg pulls something out of the bag come jan just to give us a real hope of salvaging something from this season , dont EVER knock those loyal fans for giving you a bad time ,,you ALL deserve it . Pull your fingers out and perform , thats ALL were asking .

Again all those fans singing their hearts out and putting up with the sh!te dished up

I SALUTE EVERY ONE OF YOU .
[quote][p][bold]Ray Gunn[/bold] wrote: Ok!, can i start with a quote from Burgs statement...."I understand the frustration and most of that we feel as well. The players, myself, the staff"...first off you DONT feel anything like the frustration of us fans, because (1) at the end of the day you, singh, the players and the venkys can walk away from Rovers, and us fans are left to pick up the pieces, and (2) whilst us the fans are paying our hard earned money in these difficult financial times to go to games, yourself, the venkys, singh, staff and players are making money out of this. now tell me again, how the hell can you feel as frustrated as us fans?...you also state the words "when you're on a bad run"....well in my opinion a "BAD RUN" is when you've gone 1, 4, 10 or even 20 games playing poorly....this so called "BAD RUN" has gone on for over 2 year ever since the chicken farmers thought they could run a football team....them and them alone are responsible for the mess we're in....so Burg dont start saying you understand and dont start blaming us fans....if you want to blame someone, then lets see if you have the B*llocks to send an Email to your employees telling them they have ripped the heart out of an established football club....i dare you![/p][/quote]good quotes . i salute those fans whom have been giving the team and manager their whole hearted support since dirt bag kean went . we are on an awful run of results yet many fans home and away still spend their hard earned money and the vocal support has been fantastic . I cannot understand the quotes from the manager as you RIGHTLY point out ,they could NEVER understand . What DO they really expect with performance after performance like at present , will they enjoy christmas if beaten by brighton ,sure they will , ive been in a state of depression since the farmers took over Rovers . Im still hanging on hoping berg pulls something out of the bag come jan just to give us a real hope of salvaging something from this season , dont EVER knock those loyal fans for giving you a bad time ,,you ALL deserve it . Pull your fingers out and perform , thats ALL were asking . Again all those fans singing their hearts out and putting up with the sh!te dished up I SALUTE EVERY ONE OF YOU . philmoulden

5:34pm Mon 17 Dec 12

eddie the eagle says...

McDonald would be an excellent appointment he has done a good job wwhere ever he's been and is a arse kicker when needed,many hoped he would get the Villa job .The whole sorry mess needs a good shake up by a good football man ,we want somebody who will listen to shebby then ignore him .A lot of players are over weight,Givet , hanley ,Dunn,CKR ,Robinson to name a few most others wouldn't miss half a stone.A serious fitness needs to be brought in and the players reminded whose bossand it needs to happen now.
What sort of club discusess appointing people before removing those in situ,lets get professional.
McDonald would be an excellent appointment he has done a good job wwhere ever he's been and is a arse kicker when needed,many hoped he would get the Villa job .The whole sorry mess needs a good shake up by a good football man ,we want somebody who will listen to shebby then ignore him .A lot of players are over weight,Givet , hanley ,Dunn,CKR ,Robinson to name a few most others wouldn't miss half a stone.A serious fitness needs to be brought in and the players reminded whose bossand it needs to happen now. What sort of club discusess appointing people before removing those in situ,lets get professional. eddie the eagle

6:13pm Mon 17 Dec 12

J.C - Rishton says...

kenbro wrote:
We definitely need to clean out a load of deadwood. However, these deadwoods have contracts and who will take them off our hands at their inflated wages ?
Roque Santa Cruz is still at Manchester City drawing a huge wage and never playing, because he has a contract. Are we in the same boat ?
No RSC is on season long loan at Malaga - currently 4th in La Liga.
Last season he was at Real Betis where he became a firm fans favorite.
[quote][p][bold]kenbro[/bold] wrote: We definitely need to clean out a load of deadwood. However, these deadwoods have contracts and who will take them off our hands at their inflated wages ? Roque Santa Cruz is still at Manchester City drawing a huge wage and never playing, because he has a contract. Are we in the same boat ?[/p][/quote]No RSC is on season long loan at Malaga - currently 4th in La Liga. Last season he was at Real Betis where he became a firm fans favorite. J.C - Rishton

6:14pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Harwoodstblue says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that.

Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it.

Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!!

If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.
Superb post and absolutely correct.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that. Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it. Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!! If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.[/p][/quote]Superb post and absolutely correct. Harwoodstblue

6:43pm Mon 17 Dec 12

maltese blue n white says...

Kevin Mcdonald? I would take on Ronald Mcdonald as long as we can begin to go go forwards... I'm totally against all the fans who are shouting for the dismissal of Berg as so far he he has been dealing with a 2nd rate team passed down from Kean.... This guy Must at least be given a chance... Although I doubt he operates alone.... I believe that shebby the snake and tweedle dee and tweedle dum aka the Rao bros are still making team selections.... otherwise.. how could you account for vuvecic and givet being left out for so long? I feel sorry for Berg... Right now he is struggling with a team of individuals that could never play as a team.. Berg needs the time to to make this team his own, by the end of this season I will be looking at staying in the championship rather than immediate promotion..this is probably a reality rather than the dream that we have been fed. Should the unthinkable happen and we again be relegated than I fear it could be the end for BRFC unless we find another JW which v v unlikely.
Kevin Mcdonald? I would take on Ronald Mcdonald as long as we can begin to go go forwards... I'm totally against all the fans who are shouting for the dismissal of Berg as so far he he has been dealing with a 2nd rate team passed down from Kean.... This guy Must at least be given a chance... Although I doubt he operates alone.... I believe that shebby the snake and tweedle dee and tweedle dum aka the Rao bros are still making team selections.... otherwise.. how could you account for vuvecic and givet being left out for so long? I feel sorry for Berg... Right now he is struggling with a team of individuals that could never play as a team.. Berg needs the time to to make this team his own, by the end of this season I will be looking at staying in the championship rather than immediate promotion..this is probably a reality rather than the dream that we have been fed. Should the unthinkable happen and we again be relegated than I fear it could be the end for BRFC unless we find another JW which v v unlikely. maltese blue n white

7:18pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Ewood say that! says...

Dan11 wrote:
Berg should have insisted on this when he took the job. He has wasted however many weeks with a sub standard coaching staff, and allowed our league position and status to fall to such an extent that now automatic promotion is beyond us. The only way we can go up now is to somehow turn this around, get in the play offs and win in the lottery of the play offs. Pretty unlikely.
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Every mothers aunt and their dog could see that the coaching staff was not fit for purpose, we were leaking goals too easily and we were also fading terribly late on in games on a consistent basis. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to work out that all of the blame for this did not just lie at Mr Keans door but also the incompetent coaching staff that were employed alongside him!!!
The chosen incoming manager should have been someone who had a reliable backroom team ready to come with him straightaway! Rovers were desperate for someone with experience who could hit the ground running, but we got the cheaper option and someone with no real managerial expertise at all and certainly no backroom team.
If we get beat on Saturday then we are facing a battle not to get drawn into the relegation mire.As for the long term future of the club,if we don't improve massively in the second half of the season then we could be facing gates of around 8,000 next year!!,
[quote][p][bold]Dan11[/bold] wrote: Berg should have insisted on this when he took the job. He has wasted however many weeks with a sub standard coaching staff, and allowed our league position and status to fall to such an extent that now automatic promotion is beyond us. The only way we can go up now is to somehow turn this around, get in the play offs and win in the lottery of the play offs. Pretty unlikely. - Every mothers aunt and their dog could see that the coaching staff was not fit for purpose, we were leaking goals too easily and we were also fading terribly late on in games on a consistent basis. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to work out that all of the blame for this did not just lie at Mr Keans door but also the incompetent coaching staff that were employed alongside him!!![/p][/quote]The chosen incoming manager should have been someone who had a reliable backroom team ready to come with him straightaway! Rovers were desperate for someone with experience who could hit the ground running, but we got the cheaper option and someone with no real managerial expertise at all and certainly no backroom team. If we get beat on Saturday then we are facing a battle not to get drawn into the relegation mire.As for the long term future of the club,if we don't improve massively in the second half of the season then we could be facing gates of around 8,000 next year!!, Ewood say that!

7:19pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Stone Island: says...

If Shabby Minge and the Chuckle Brothers are picking the team, as you suspect, then Berg should quit IMMEDIATELY, due to interference.
Or maybe that's why such an inexperienced manager was chosen in the first place? Maybe that is also the reason why more than one perspective manager, ruled THEMSELVES OUT of the job?
If Shabby Minge and the Chuckle Brothers are picking the team, as you suspect, then Berg should quit IMMEDIATELY, due to interference. Or maybe that's why such an inexperienced manager was chosen in the first place? Maybe that is also the reason why more than one perspective manager, ruled THEMSELVES OUT of the job? Stone Island:

7:19pm Mon 17 Dec 12

kenbro says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
kenbro wrote: We definitely need to clean out a load of deadwood. However, these deadwoods have contracts and who will take them off our hands at their inflated wages ? Roque Santa Cruz is still at Manchester City drawing a huge wage and never playing, because he has a contract. Are we in the same boat ?
No RSC is on season long loan at Malaga - currently 4th in La Liga. Last season he was at Real Betis where he became a firm fans favorite.
Correct JC but it doesn't change my point. No one can afford RSC's high wages that's why he has gone out on loan and not been transferred. . But what club would take the deadwood off our hands ? We have some old, slow players on high wages and long contracts. It will be tough to move them out.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kenbro[/bold] wrote: We definitely need to clean out a load of deadwood. However, these deadwoods have contracts and who will take them off our hands at their inflated wages ? Roque Santa Cruz is still at Manchester City drawing a huge wage and never playing, because he has a contract. Are we in the same boat ?[/p][/quote]No RSC is on season long loan at Malaga - currently 4th in La Liga. Last season he was at Real Betis where he became a firm fans favorite.[/p][/quote]Correct JC but it doesn't change my point. No one can afford RSC's high wages that's why he has gone out on loan and not been transferred. . But what club would take the deadwood off our hands ? We have some old, slow players on high wages and long contracts. It will be tough to move them out. kenbro

7:37pm Mon 17 Dec 12

leitchy says...

Well said Berg! We r supporters who go to the match and should do exactly that SUPPORT !! Those idiots who give grief to the players whilst they're playing are pathetic.
That is not helping the team and in the 1st half we played well, we just needed to support the team better and maybe things could of been different....the players instantly looked nervous and clearly no confidence and then to make things worse the fans started to shout at them,...
Well done fans!!
Well said Berg! We r supporters who go to the match and should do exactly that SUPPORT !! Those idiots who give grief to the players whilst they're playing are pathetic. That is not helping the team and in the 1st half we played well, we just needed to support the team better and maybe things could of been different....the players instantly looked nervous and clearly no confidence and then to make things worse the fans started to shout at them,... Well done fans!! leitchy

7:42pm Mon 17 Dec 12

BJS says...

Criticising the fans just won't wash. Any team, I don't care who they are, has to give the fans a reason to get behind them. It is very difficult to shout your team on when nothing is happening for them to get excited about. There doesn't seem to be any real connection between the club and the players these days, hence the lack of passion and commitment, and Venkys and their farcical decisions for the last 2 years are entirely to blame.
One last thing. Gates at Ewood will only improve if and when the team start winning matches. Football fans in general are fickle and it is a matter of fact that gates go up when teams are winning games. Rovers have been losing far too many games for fans to come flocking back. A run of wins (joke) would go an awful long way to putting more bums on seats.
Criticising the fans just won't wash. Any team, I don't care who they are, has to give the fans a reason to get behind them. It is very difficult to shout your team on when nothing is happening for them to get excited about. There doesn't seem to be any real connection between the club and the players these days, hence the lack of passion and commitment, and Venkys and their farcical decisions for the last 2 years are entirely to blame. One last thing. Gates at Ewood will only improve if and when the team start winning matches. Football fans in general are fickle and it is a matter of fact that gates go up when teams are winning games. Rovers have been losing far too many games for fans to come flocking back. A run of wins (joke) would go an awful long way to putting more bums on seats. BJS

7:45pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Rovers75 says...

Harwoodstblue wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that.

Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it.

Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!!

If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.
Superb post and absolutely correct.
That post from J.C should be printed onto a mahooosive banner and hung from the Darwen End for all to see.
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that. Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it. Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!! If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.[/p][/quote]Superb post and absolutely correct.[/p][/quote]That post from J.C should be printed onto a mahooosive banner and hung from the Darwen End for all to see. Rovers75

7:46pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Bazzer says...

Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:
Nuttall Street wrote:
carlmc1 wrote: I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!
The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.
Just thought I'd let you know, he's gone and he aint coming back.
Foresight, not hindsight. Even MOTD2 was in loud praise of a real manager last night after a cobbled team shut out WBA. Something you have no idea about and constantly demonstrate; along with a few other noted fools. I even clocked three of the original "Big Sam Out" intelligentsia booing and calling for Bergs head on Saturday. No wonder our stock as "supporters" is dwindling.
[quote][p][bold]Return of the Magnificent se7en[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nuttall Street[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlmc1[/bold] wrote: I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon![/p][/quote]The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.[/p][/quote]Just thought I'd let you know, he's gone and he aint coming back.[/p][/quote]Foresight, not hindsight. Even MOTD2 was in loud praise of a real manager last night after a cobbled team shut out WBA. Something you have no idea about and constantly demonstrate; along with a few other noted fools. I even clocked three of the original "Big Sam Out" intelligentsia booing and calling for Bergs head on Saturday. No wonder our stock as "supporters" is dwindling. Bazzer

7:51pm Mon 17 Dec 12

jonjonweatherman says...

Wasn't Kevin McDonald Sam Allardyce's assistant manager when Venkys took over?
Wasn't Kevin McDonald Sam Allardyce's assistant manager when Venkys took over? jonjonweatherman

7:56pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Nurseman says...

THE FANS CHANTING!

Let us not forget that the OWNERS have done more for poor relations than anything said by fans, even the bad ones, of which there are few
THE FANS CHANTING! Let us not forget that the OWNERS have done more for poor relations than anything said by fans, even the bad ones, of which there are few Nurseman

8:11pm Mon 17 Dec 12

jonjonweatherman says...

Most generations of Rovers fans have seen at least one manger take over and have an instant improvement. My first one when I was old enough to understand what was happening was I think in 1953. Johnny Carey come in with dramatic effect and trasformed instanly the way we played. Others that come to mind are Gordon Lee: Howard Kendall:Souness: Mark H ughes: but then a former star player for the Rovers Eddie Quigley failed miserably just like Ince. If venkys think there is still a chance of promootion then they should sack Berg before the January Window and bring in an experienced manager who knows the League. But if they are willing to wait a season or so then he might still come good with his own coaching staff and players but the decision needs to be made in the next week or sooner an instant appointment
Most generations of Rovers fans have seen at least one manger take over and have an instant improvement. My first one when I was old enough to understand what was happening was I think in 1953. Johnny Carey come in with dramatic effect and trasformed instanly the way we played. Others that come to mind are Gordon Lee: Howard Kendall:Souness: Mark H ughes: but then a former star player for the Rovers Eddie Quigley failed miserably just like Ince. If venkys think there is still a chance of promootion then they should sack Berg before the January Window and bring in an experienced manager who knows the League. But if they are willing to wait a season or so then he might still come good with his own coaching staff and players but the decision needs to be made in the next week or sooner an instant appointment jonjonweatherman

8:36pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Stone Island: says...

jonjonweatherman wrote:
Wasn't Kevin McDonald Sam Allardyce's assistant manager when Venkys took over?
No, that was Neil McDonald.
[quote][p][bold]jonjonweatherman[/bold] wrote: Wasn't Kevin McDonald Sam Allardyce's assistant manager when Venkys took over?[/p][/quote]No, that was Neil McDonald. Stone Island:

8:40pm Mon 17 Dec 12

merlinrabbit says...

Ray Gunn wrote:
Ok!, can i start with a quote from Burgs statement...."I understand the frustration and most of that we feel as well. The players, myself, the staff"...first off you DONT feel anything like the frustration of us fans, because (1) at the end of the day you, singh, the players and the venkys can walk away from Rovers, and us fans are left to pick up the pieces, and (2) whilst us the fans are paying our hard earned money in these difficult financial times to go to games, yourself, the venkys, singh, staff and players are making money out of this. now tell me again, how the hell can you feel as frustrated as us fans?...you also state the words "when you're on a bad run"....well in my opinion a "BAD RUN" is when you've gone 1, 4, 10 or even 20 games playing poorly....this so called "BAD RUN" has gone on for over 2 year ever since the chicken farmers thought they could run a football team....them and them alone are responsible for the mess we're in....so Burg dont start saying you understand and dont start blaming us fans....if you want to blame someone, then lets see if you have the B*llocks to send an Email to your employees telling them they have ripped the heart out of an established football club....i dare you!
it's Berg not Burg
[quote][p][bold]Ray Gunn[/bold] wrote: Ok!, can i start with a quote from Burgs statement...."I understand the frustration and most of that we feel as well. The players, myself, the staff"...first off you DONT feel anything like the frustration of us fans, because (1) at the end of the day you, singh, the players and the venkys can walk away from Rovers, and us fans are left to pick up the pieces, and (2) whilst us the fans are paying our hard earned money in these difficult financial times to go to games, yourself, the venkys, singh, staff and players are making money out of this. now tell me again, how the hell can you feel as frustrated as us fans?...you also state the words "when you're on a bad run"....well in my opinion a "BAD RUN" is when you've gone 1, 4, 10 or even 20 games playing poorly....this so called "BAD RUN" has gone on for over 2 year ever since the chicken farmers thought they could run a football team....them and them alone are responsible for the mess we're in....so Burg dont start saying you understand and dont start blaming us fans....if you want to blame someone, then lets see if you have the B*llocks to send an Email to your employees telling them they have ripped the heart out of an established football club....i dare you![/p][/quote]it's Berg not Burg merlinrabbit

8:46pm Mon 17 Dec 12

merlinrabbit says...

BJS wrote:
Criticising the fans just won't wash. Any team, I don't care who they are, has to give the fans a reason to get behind them. It is very difficult to shout your team on when nothing is happening for them to get excited about. There doesn't seem to be any real connection between the club and the players these days, hence the lack of passion and commitment, and Venkys and their farcical decisions for the last 2 years are entirely to blame.
One last thing. Gates at Ewood will only improve if and when the team start winning matches. Football fans in general are fickle and it is a matter of fact that gates go up when teams are winning games. Rovers have been losing far too many games for fans to come flocking back. A run of wins (joke) would go an awful long way to putting more bums on seats.
Has it occurred to you that the players might feel so demoralised by the farcical events at Ewood, by the outrageous owners and management structure, by the ludicrous statements of Singh that they are simply as naffed off as us? They have to work under that lot everyday. They probably have that idiot Singh in the dressing room before the games and on the training field telling them what to do. Its all well and good saying they get paid a lot or they are professional but it doesnt help when you work somewhere with people above who know nothing about what they are doing. believe me I know from first hand experience. It makes you miserable and all you can think about is moving on.
[quote][p][bold]BJS[/bold] wrote: Criticising the fans just won't wash. Any team, I don't care who they are, has to give the fans a reason to get behind them. It is very difficult to shout your team on when nothing is happening for them to get excited about. There doesn't seem to be any real connection between the club and the players these days, hence the lack of passion and commitment, and Venkys and their farcical decisions for the last 2 years are entirely to blame. One last thing. Gates at Ewood will only improve if and when the team start winning matches. Football fans in general are fickle and it is a matter of fact that gates go up when teams are winning games. Rovers have been losing far too many games for fans to come flocking back. A run of wins (joke) would go an awful long way to putting more bums on seats.[/p][/quote]Has it occurred to you that the players might feel so demoralised by the farcical events at Ewood, by the outrageous owners and management structure, by the ludicrous statements of Singh that they are simply as naffed off as us? They have to work under that lot everyday. They probably have that idiot Singh in the dressing room before the games and on the training field telling them what to do. Its all well and good saying they get paid a lot or they are professional but it doesnt help when you work somewhere with people above who know nothing about what they are doing. believe me I know from first hand experience. It makes you miserable and all you can think about is moving on. merlinrabbit

8:49pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Dr Zinc says...

No Berg!
Do not reflect this back onto fans that have travelled and paid good money to watch that listless, insipid display you and your chumps put out on Saturday
If that is all the players can give!
If that is their maximum effort !
You should all pack the game in as you should not be called professionals
I have been watching football for 35 years, Believe me I know when players are trying or not
If you want an example of a player going through the motions; Etuhu epitomises perfectly
The man looks like he out for a stroll after a large dinner and a good smoke!
It is right through the team, including management,
when you look towards the bench and Berg, a lone figure in front of a clueless back room staff is still stood there without making a change, the clock ticking by at 2-0 down, the players going through the motions, still no change…and then Mr Berg you take of an attacking player who was the best player in the first half and leave Etuhu on his afternoon stroll!
Genius tactics Berg, really effective
That is why the fans get angry.. 2 years of dross and as for as I’m concerned football for fans is all about letting steam off and voicing their opinion, they pay their money to do so
No Berg! Do not reflect this back onto fans that have travelled and paid good money to watch that listless, insipid display you and your chumps put out on Saturday If that is all the players can give! If that is their maximum effort ! You should all pack the game in as you should not be called professionals I have been watching football for 35 years, Believe me I know when players are trying or not If you want an example of a player going through the motions; Etuhu epitomises perfectly The man looks like he out for a stroll after a large dinner and a good smoke! It is right through the team, including management, when you look towards the bench and Berg, a lone figure in front of a clueless back room staff is still stood there without making a change, the clock ticking by at 2-0 down, the players going through the motions, still no change…and then Mr Berg you take of an attacking player who was the best player in the first half and leave Etuhu on his afternoon stroll! Genius tactics Berg, really effective That is why the fans get angry.. 2 years of dross and as for as I’m concerned football for fans is all about letting steam off and voicing their opinion, they pay their money to do so Dr Zinc

9:20pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Return of the Magnificent se7en says...

Bazzer wrote:
Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:
Nuttall Street wrote:
carlmc1 wrote: I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!
The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.
Just thought I'd let you know, he's gone and he aint coming back.
Foresight, not hindsight. Even MOTD2 was in loud praise of a real manager last night after a cobbled team shut out WBA. Something you have no idea about and constantly demonstrate; along with a few other noted fools. I even clocked three of the original "Big Sam Out" intelligentsia booing and calling for Bergs head on Saturday. No wonder our stock as "supporters" is dwindling.
So he's coming back then?
[quote][p][bold]Bazzer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Return of the Magnificent se7en[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nuttall Street[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlmc1[/bold] wrote: I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon![/p][/quote]The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.[/p][/quote]Just thought I'd let you know, he's gone and he aint coming back.[/p][/quote]Foresight, not hindsight. Even MOTD2 was in loud praise of a real manager last night after a cobbled team shut out WBA. Something you have no idea about and constantly demonstrate; along with a few other noted fools. I even clocked three of the original "Big Sam Out" intelligentsia booing and calling for Bergs head on Saturday. No wonder our stock as "supporters" is dwindling.[/p][/quote]So he's coming back then? Return of the Magnificent se7en

9:43pm Mon 17 Dec 12

P888HOW says...

GAZHAY wrote:
GAZHAY wrote:
Henning. When we start seeing some effort, passion, energy and common sense displayed by these overpaid individuals then we might have something to cheer about. At the moment our frustrations are simply due to the fact these players are lazy, don't seem to care less and are simply not good enough. Hope for this to all change on Saturday and I will then be cheering and enjoy my xmas turey..........but I won't hold my breath!!!!
Henning.
When we start seeing some effort, passion, energy and common sense displayed by these overpaid individuals then we might have something to cheer about. At the moment our frustrations are simply due to the fact these players are lazy, don't seem to care less and are simply not good enough. Hope for this to all change on Saturday and I will then be cheering and enjoy my xmas turkey..........but I won't hold my breath!!!!
I was at Bloomfield road saturday, and what was plain to see,rovers couldnt keep the ball or run very far with it ,and how slow they are. who is coaching the team ,the blame has got to come there.wtf.
[quote][p][bold]GAZHAY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GAZHAY[/bold] wrote: Henning. When we start seeing some effort, passion, energy and common sense displayed by these overpaid individuals then we might have something to cheer about. At the moment our frustrations are simply due to the fact these players are lazy, don't seem to care less and are simply not good enough. Hope for this to all change on Saturday and I will then be cheering and enjoy my xmas turey..........but I won't hold my breath!!!![/p][/quote]Henning. When we start seeing some effort, passion, energy and common sense displayed by these overpaid individuals then we might have something to cheer about. At the moment our frustrations are simply due to the fact these players are lazy, don't seem to care less and are simply not good enough. Hope for this to all change on Saturday and I will then be cheering and enjoy my xmas turkey..........but I won't hold my breath!!!![/p][/quote]I was at Bloomfield road saturday, and what was plain to see,rovers couldnt keep the ball or run very far with it ,and how slow they are. who is coaching the team ,the blame has got to come there.wtf. P888HOW

10:42pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Bazzer says...

Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:
Bazzer wrote:
Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:
Nuttall Street wrote:
carlmc1 wrote: I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!
The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.
Just thought I'd let you know, he's gone and he aint coming back.
Foresight, not hindsight. Even MOTD2 was in loud praise of a real manager last night after a cobbled team shut out WBA. Something you have no idea about and constantly demonstrate; along with a few other noted fools. I even clocked three of the original "Big Sam Out" intelligentsia booing and calling for Bergs head on Saturday. No wonder our stock as "supporters" is dwindling.
So he's coming back then?
Coming back? He hasn't stopped laughing yet!
[quote][p][bold]Return of the Magnificent se7en[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazzer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Return of the Magnificent se7en[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nuttall Street[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlmc1[/bold] wrote: I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon![/p][/quote]The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.[/p][/quote]Just thought I'd let you know, he's gone and he aint coming back.[/p][/quote]Foresight, not hindsight. Even MOTD2 was in loud praise of a real manager last night after a cobbled team shut out WBA. Something you have no idea about and constantly demonstrate; along with a few other noted fools. I even clocked three of the original "Big Sam Out" intelligentsia booing and calling for Bergs head on Saturday. No wonder our stock as "supporters" is dwindling.[/p][/quote]So he's coming back then?[/p][/quote]Coming back? He hasn't stopped laughing yet! Bazzer

11:05pm Mon 17 Dec 12

French Rover says...

McDonald and Friedel coming-in to assist Berg in the massive task to resurrect the Rovers is excellent news - hope it happens soon.
McDonald and Friedel coming-in to assist Berg in the massive task to resurrect the Rovers is excellent news - hope it happens soon. French Rover

11:21pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Kiwihead says...

Tatts wrote:
I think Ronald MacDonald could have done a better job of coaching our players this season. And maybe even Liz MacDonald...
Don't joke...my source at Ewood confirmed Shebby was after a meeting with Liz.
[quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: I think Ronald MacDonald could have done a better job of coaching our players this season. And maybe even Liz MacDonald...[/p][/quote]Don't joke...my source at Ewood confirmed Shebby was after a meeting with Liz. Kiwihead

11:36pm Mon 17 Dec 12

owd nick says...

Kiwihead wrote:
Tatts wrote:
I think Ronald MacDonald could have done a better job of coaching our players this season. And maybe even Liz MacDonald...
Don't joke...my source at Ewood confirmed Shebby was after a meeting with Liz.
She would eat him alive, useless tosser.
[quote][p][bold]Kiwihead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: I think Ronald MacDonald could have done a better job of coaching our players this season. And maybe even Liz MacDonald...[/p][/quote]Don't joke...my source at Ewood confirmed Shebby was after a meeting with Liz.[/p][/quote]She would eat him alive, useless tosser. owd nick

3:06am Tue 18 Dec 12

cactus rover says...

Just come up with a new theory after seeing Reading Arsenal. Reading manager Bald- steve kean Bald- Henning similary challanged. Now look at city and united never had a bald manager. This can not be coincidence.
Just come up with a new theory after seeing Reading Arsenal. Reading manager Bald- steve kean Bald- Henning similary challanged. Now look at city and united never had a bald manager. This can not be coincidence. cactus rover

5:41am Tue 18 Dec 12

whappen says...

moh wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote: Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that. Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it. Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!! If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.
It does not help players if they are booed. Protest and boo after the game. Also if fans can raise about 40 million odd we may be able to buy the club. Who wants to start the collection.
Venkys bought the club for £21m, sold all its main assets, increased losses over two years by about 700%, income has fallen by about 40% this year - over 90% next - whilst retaining a highly paid staff and still the same amount in debt (despite saying this would be reduced).

Why has the business almost doubled in value?
[quote][p][bold]moh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that. Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it. Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!! If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.[/p][/quote]It does not help players if they are booed. Protest and boo after the game. Also if fans can raise about 40 million odd we may be able to buy the club. Who wants to start the collection.[/p][/quote]Venkys bought the club for £21m, sold all its main assets, increased losses over two years by about 700%, income has fallen by about 40% this year - over 90% next - whilst retaining a highly paid staff and still the same amount in debt (despite saying this would be reduced). Why has the business almost doubled in value? whappen

8:12am Tue 18 Dec 12

jonjonweatherman says...

For the first time since we went down to the old 3rd division, I now expect the Rovers to lose and I reckon the players do too.
For the first time since we went down to the old 3rd division, I now expect the Rovers to lose and I reckon the players do too. jonjonweatherman

9:00am Tue 18 Dec 12

Nuttall Street says...

Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:
Nuttall Street wrote:
carlmc1 wrote:
I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager.

Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are.

I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!
The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.
Also, I think that the word outstanding is stretching it a bit on your part. Steady yes, outstanding never. He has won nothing, ever except maybe the most throw ins during a game award or longest hoof., most stupid goal celebration with Okocha that must be taking pride of place in the trophy cabinet.
BFS was outstanding in the context of Blackburn Rovers and in comparison to those weary souls who have succeeded him he could walk on water!
[quote][p][bold]Return of the Magnificent se7en[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nuttall Street[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlmc1[/bold] wrote: I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon![/p][/quote]The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.[/p][/quote]Also, I think that the word outstanding is stretching it a bit on your part. Steady yes, outstanding never. He has won nothing, ever except maybe the most throw ins during a game award or longest hoof., most stupid goal celebration with Okocha that must be taking pride of place in the trophy cabinet.[/p][/quote]BFS was outstanding in the context of Blackburn Rovers and in comparison to those weary souls who have succeeded him he could walk on water! Nuttall Street

9:05am Tue 18 Dec 12

Nuttall Street says...

If this character McDonald joins then the assistant manager will have more management experience than Berg! There' s a strange state of affairs.
If this character McDonald joins then the assistant manager will have more management experience than Berg! There' s a strange state of affairs. Nuttall Street

9:47am Tue 18 Dec 12

A Darener says...

Nuttall Street wrote:
If this character McDonald joins then the assistant manager will have more management experience than Berg! There' s a strange state of affairs.
As long as somebody has experience!
[quote][p][bold]Nuttall Street[/bold] wrote: If this character McDonald joins then the assistant manager will have more management experience than Berg! There' s a strange state of affairs.[/p][/quote]As long as somebody has experience! A Darener

9:49am Tue 18 Dec 12

fanny_tickler. says...

Nuttall Street wrote:
If this character McDonald joins then the assistant manager will have more management experience than Berg! There' s a strange state of affairs.
Ronald McDonald would have more managerial experience than Berg.
[quote][p][bold]Nuttall Street[/bold] wrote: If this character McDonald joins then the assistant manager will have more management experience than Berg! There' s a strange state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Ronald McDonald would have more managerial experience than Berg. fanny_tickler.

3:47pm Tue 18 Dec 12

MxMave says...

Looks like Henning is reverting to the Steve Kean approach, blame the fans. This is absolutely ridiculous, listening to Radio Lancs and Football League show both pundit teams said how woeful we were, not even looking threatening. The chants I heard were about shebby, "your not fit to wear that shirt" and "we want our rovers back", I fail to see how that is anti-berg and he we've returned to the Kean realms of abuse.

At the end of the day what do you expect when you take a good premier league club, turn them into a team which tbh, I wouldnt fancy against a division 2 club and then say "how dare you complain, sit through the match and enjoy it, then vent your frustration when the players and manager have left the pitch". Dream world Berg. Either results improve or BRFC will be playing to 5k fans next year.
Looks like Henning is reverting to the Steve Kean approach, blame the fans. This is absolutely ridiculous, listening to Radio Lancs and Football League show both pundit teams said how woeful we were, not even looking threatening. The chants I heard were about shebby, "your not fit to wear that shirt" and "we want our rovers back", I fail to see how that is anti-berg and he we've returned to the Kean realms of abuse. At the end of the day what do you expect when you take a good premier league club, turn them into a team which tbh, I wouldnt fancy against a division 2 club and then say "how dare you complain, sit through the match and enjoy it, then vent your frustration when the players and manager have left the pitch". Dream world Berg. Either results improve or BRFC will be playing to 5k fans next year. MxMave

4:17pm Tue 18 Dec 12

owd nick says...

Nuttall Street wrote:
Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:
Nuttall Street wrote:
carlmc1 wrote:
I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager.

Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are.

I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!
The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.
Also, I think that the word outstanding is stretching it a bit on your part. Steady yes, outstanding never. He has won nothing, ever except maybe the most throw ins during a game award or longest hoof., most stupid goal celebration with Okocha that must be taking pride of place in the trophy cabinet.
BFS was outstanding in the context of Blackburn Rovers and in comparison to those weary souls who have succeeded him he could walk on water!
Lets not forget BFS wanted away and pre Venky's John Williams had to beg him to stay.

At least Man U got a couple of easy wins just in time to kick start their seasons as usual.
[quote][p][bold]Nuttall Street[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Return of the Magnificent se7en[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nuttall Street[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlmc1[/bold] wrote: I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon![/p][/quote]The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.[/p][/quote]Also, I think that the word outstanding is stretching it a bit on your part. Steady yes, outstanding never. He has won nothing, ever except maybe the most throw ins during a game award or longest hoof., most stupid goal celebration with Okocha that must be taking pride of place in the trophy cabinet.[/p][/quote]BFS was outstanding in the context of Blackburn Rovers and in comparison to those weary souls who have succeeded him he could walk on water![/p][/quote]Lets not forget BFS wanted away and pre Venky's John Williams had to beg him to stay. At least Man U got a couple of easy wins just in time to kick start their seasons as usual. owd nick

5:44pm Tue 18 Dec 12

owd nick says...

MxMave wrote:
Looks like Henning is reverting to the Steve Kean approach, blame the fans. This is absolutely ridiculous, listening to Radio Lancs and Football League show both pundit teams said how woeful we were, not even looking threatening. The chants I heard were about shebby, "your not fit to wear that shirt" and "we want our rovers back", I fail to see how that is anti-berg and he we've returned to the Kean realms of abuse.

At the end of the day what do you expect when you take a good premier league club, turn them into a team which tbh, I wouldnt fancy against a division 2 club and then say "how dare you complain, sit through the match and enjoy it, then vent your frustration when the players and manager have left the pitch". Dream world Berg. Either results improve or BRFC will be playing to 5k fans next year.
I have read Bergs comments several times and I don't interpret them as you do.

Nothing that has happened over the last couple of years is Bergs fault, and all he appears to be asking is for the fans to get behind the players while the game is being played.

Anyone who attended the games against Chelsea, West Brom and Bolton last season will have seen how badly the bile raining down from the stands affected the players.
In my honest opinion they never recovered from that and it played a part in us being relegated.

Supporters are supposed to support and while I agree that there are several players currently at Ewood who are definitely not fit to wear the shirt, the time to tell them is after the game, not during.

I am not getting at the fans, I am one myself, and what has happened at our club, is still happening, is an absolute nightmare, but we fans, all of us who really care about Rovers, really do need to put our feelings about Venky's, Kean and the odious Shebby to one side on Saturday, get behind Berg and the team whatever is happening until the final whistle at least.

The atmosphere at Ewood is appauling these days, the only people who can change that is the fans.
[quote][p][bold]MxMave[/bold] wrote: Looks like Henning is reverting to the Steve Kean approach, blame the fans. This is absolutely ridiculous, listening to Radio Lancs and Football League show both pundit teams said how woeful we were, not even looking threatening. The chants I heard were about shebby, "your not fit to wear that shirt" and "we want our rovers back", I fail to see how that is anti-berg and he we've returned to the Kean realms of abuse. At the end of the day what do you expect when you take a good premier league club, turn them into a team which tbh, I wouldnt fancy against a division 2 club and then say "how dare you complain, sit through the match and enjoy it, then vent your frustration when the players and manager have left the pitch". Dream world Berg. Either results improve or BRFC will be playing to 5k fans next year.[/p][/quote]I have read Bergs comments several times and I don't interpret them as you do. Nothing that has happened over the last couple of years is Bergs fault, and all he appears to be asking is for the fans to get behind the players while the game is being played. Anyone who attended the games against Chelsea, West Brom and Bolton last season will have seen how badly the bile raining down from the stands affected the players. In my honest opinion they never recovered from that and it played a part in us being relegated. Supporters are supposed to support and while I agree that there are several players currently at Ewood who are definitely not fit to wear the shirt, the time to tell them is after the game, not during. I am not getting at the fans, I am one myself, and what has happened at our club, is still happening, is an absolute nightmare, but we fans, all of us who really care about Rovers, really do need to put our feelings about Venky's, Kean and the odious Shebby to one side on Saturday, get behind Berg and the team whatever is happening until the final whistle at least. The atmosphere at Ewood is appauling these days, the only people who can change that is the fans. owd nick

6:50pm Tue 18 Dec 12

madrover says...

owd nick wrote:
MxMave wrote:
Looks like Henning is reverting to the Steve Kean approach, blame the fans. This is absolutely ridiculous, listening to Radio Lancs and Football League show both pundit teams said how woeful we were, not even looking threatening. The chants I heard were about shebby, "your not fit to wear that shirt" and "we want our rovers back", I fail to see how that is anti-berg and he we've returned to the Kean realms of abuse.

At the end of the day what do you expect when you take a good premier league club, turn them into a team which tbh, I wouldnt fancy against a division 2 club and then say "how dare you complain, sit through the match and enjoy it, then vent your frustration when the players and manager have left the pitch". Dream world Berg. Either results improve or BRFC will be playing to 5k fans next year.
I have read Bergs comments several times and I don't interpret them as you do.

Nothing that has happened over the last couple of years is Bergs fault, and all he appears to be asking is for the fans to get behind the players while the game is being played.

Anyone who attended the games against Chelsea, West Brom and Bolton last season will have seen how badly the bile raining down from the stands affected the players.
In my honest opinion they never recovered from that and it played a part in us being relegated.

Supporters are supposed to support and while I agree that there are several players currently at Ewood who are definitely not fit to wear the shirt, the time to tell them is after the game, not during.

I am not getting at the fans, I am one myself, and what has happened at our club, is still happening, is an absolute nightmare, but we fans, all of us who really care about Rovers, really do need to put our feelings about Venky's, Kean and the odious Shebby to one side on Saturday, get behind Berg and the team whatever is happening until the final whistle at least.

The atmosphere at Ewood is appauling these days, the only people who can change that is the fans.
bang on mate the once great atmosphere has all but disappeared . i really want Berg to do well but drastic action is needed fast
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MxMave[/bold] wrote: Looks like Henning is reverting to the Steve Kean approach, blame the fans. This is absolutely ridiculous, listening to Radio Lancs and Football League show both pundit teams said how woeful we were, not even looking threatening. The chants I heard were about shebby, "your not fit to wear that shirt" and "we want our rovers back", I fail to see how that is anti-berg and he we've returned to the Kean realms of abuse. At the end of the day what do you expect when you take a good premier league club, turn them into a team which tbh, I wouldnt fancy against a division 2 club and then say "how dare you complain, sit through the match and enjoy it, then vent your frustration when the players and manager have left the pitch". Dream world Berg. Either results improve or BRFC will be playing to 5k fans next year.[/p][/quote]I have read Bergs comments several times and I don't interpret them as you do. Nothing that has happened over the last couple of years is Bergs fault, and all he appears to be asking is for the fans to get behind the players while the game is being played. Anyone who attended the games against Chelsea, West Brom and Bolton last season will have seen how badly the bile raining down from the stands affected the players. In my honest opinion they never recovered from that and it played a part in us being relegated. Supporters are supposed to support and while I agree that there are several players currently at Ewood who are definitely not fit to wear the shirt, the time to tell them is after the game, not during. I am not getting at the fans, I am one myself, and what has happened at our club, is still happening, is an absolute nightmare, but we fans, all of us who really care about Rovers, really do need to put our feelings about Venky's, Kean and the odious Shebby to one side on Saturday, get behind Berg and the team whatever is happening until the final whistle at least. The atmosphere at Ewood is appauling these days, the only people who can change that is the fans.[/p][/quote]bang on mate the once great atmosphere has all but disappeared . i really want Berg to do well but drastic action is needed fast madrover

8:57pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Bazzer says...

owd nick wrote:
Nuttall Street wrote:
Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:
Nuttall Street wrote:
carlmc1 wrote: I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!
The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.
Also, I think that the word outstanding is stretching it a bit on your part. Steady yes, outstanding never. He has won nothing, ever except maybe the most throw ins during a game award or longest hoof., most stupid goal celebration with Okocha that must be taking pride of place in the trophy cabinet.
BFS was outstanding in the context of Blackburn Rovers and in comparison to those weary souls who have succeeded him he could walk on water!
Lets not forget BFS wanted away and pre Venky's John Williams had to beg him to stay. At least Man U got a couple of easy wins just in time to kick start their seasons as usual.
Have not nearly all our managers wanted away?
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nuttall Street[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Return of the Magnificent se7en[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nuttall Street[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlmc1[/bold] wrote: I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon![/p][/quote]The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.[/p][/quote]Also, I think that the word outstanding is stretching it a bit on your part. Steady yes, outstanding never. He has won nothing, ever except maybe the most throw ins during a game award or longest hoof., most stupid goal celebration with Okocha that must be taking pride of place in the trophy cabinet.[/p][/quote]BFS was outstanding in the context of Blackburn Rovers and in comparison to those weary souls who have succeeded him he could walk on water![/p][/quote]Lets not forget BFS wanted away and pre Venky's John Williams had to beg him to stay. At least Man U got a couple of easy wins just in time to kick start their seasons as usual.[/p][/quote]Have not nearly all our managers wanted away? Bazzer

11:35pm Tue 18 Dec 12

owd nick says...

Bazzer wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Nuttall Street wrote:
Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:
Nuttall Street wrote:
carlmc1 wrote: I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!
The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.
Also, I think that the word outstanding is stretching it a bit on your part. Steady yes, outstanding never. He has won nothing, ever except maybe the most throw ins during a game award or longest hoof., most stupid goal celebration with Okocha that must be taking pride of place in the trophy cabinet.
BFS was outstanding in the context of Blackburn Rovers and in comparison to those weary souls who have succeeded him he could walk on water!
Lets not forget BFS wanted away and pre Venky's John Williams had to beg him to stay. At least Man U got a couple of easy wins just in time to kick start their seasons as usual.
Have not nearly all our managers wanted away?
Yes but I can't ever remember anyone but Lardarse touting himself around Europe, the middle east, etc;etc.

I suspect he knew that the Walkers were not going to support the club and he wanted out before it ruined his CV.

Wouldn't surprise me if he engineered his sacking once Venky's took over, nice big fat paycheck, the hero worship (blubbering) of accept anything fans like Mullen, and walk into another job.

He is millions in pocket, we are paupers, that's why I hate him and what he did to us.

If he had the balls to stand up to Venky's we may not be in the mess we are in now.
[quote][p][bold]Bazzer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nuttall Street[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Return of the Magnificent se7en[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nuttall Street[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlmc1[/bold] wrote: I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon![/p][/quote]The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.[/p][/quote]Also, I think that the word outstanding is stretching it a bit on your part. Steady yes, outstanding never. He has won nothing, ever except maybe the most throw ins during a game award or longest hoof., most stupid goal celebration with Okocha that must be taking pride of place in the trophy cabinet.[/p][/quote]BFS was outstanding in the context of Blackburn Rovers and in comparison to those weary souls who have succeeded him he could walk on water![/p][/quote]Lets not forget BFS wanted away and pre Venky's John Williams had to beg him to stay. At least Man U got a couple of easy wins just in time to kick start their seasons as usual.[/p][/quote]Have not nearly all our managers wanted away?[/p][/quote]Yes but I can't ever remember anyone but Lardarse touting himself around Europe, the middle east, etc;etc. I suspect he knew that the Walkers were not going to support the club and he wanted out before it ruined his CV. Wouldn't surprise me if he engineered his sacking once Venky's took over, nice big fat paycheck, the hero worship (blubbering) of accept anything fans like Mullen, and walk into another job. He is millions in pocket, we are paupers, that's why I hate him and what he did to us. If he had the balls to stand up to Venky's we may not be in the mess we are in now. owd nick

6:27am Wed 19 Dec 12

Roverthere says...

carlmc1 wrote:
I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager.

Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are.

I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!
The biggest mistake was firing Sam. Although I doubt he would have put up with these fools for long!
[quote][p][bold]carlmc1[/bold] wrote: I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon![/p][/quote]The biggest mistake was firing Sam. Although I doubt he would have put up with these fools for long! Roverthere

6:49am Wed 19 Dec 12

Roverthere says...

BJS wrote:
Criticising the fans just won't wash. Any team, I don't care who they are, has to give the fans a reason to get behind them. It is very difficult to shout your team on when nothing is happening for them to get excited about. There doesn't seem to be any real connection between the club and the players these days, hence the lack of passion and commitment, and Venkys and their farcical decisions for the last 2 years are entirely to blame.
One last thing. Gates at Ewood will only improve if and when the team start winning matches. Football fans in general are fickle and it is a matter of fact that gates go up when teams are winning games. Rovers have been losing far too many games for fans to come flocking back. A run of wins (joke) would go an awful long way to putting more bums on seats.
Players are paid massive wages, it's the fans that pay them ultimately. If a player cannot accept abuse and being critisised they should stop playing, retire or leave. I would take the good and the bad for a lot less than 30,000 per week!
[quote][p][bold]BJS[/bold] wrote: Criticising the fans just won't wash. Any team, I don't care who they are, has to give the fans a reason to get behind them. It is very difficult to shout your team on when nothing is happening for them to get excited about. There doesn't seem to be any real connection between the club and the players these days, hence the lack of passion and commitment, and Venkys and their farcical decisions for the last 2 years are entirely to blame. One last thing. Gates at Ewood will only improve if and when the team start winning matches. Football fans in general are fickle and it is a matter of fact that gates go up when teams are winning games. Rovers have been losing far too many games for fans to come flocking back. A run of wins (joke) would go an awful long way to putting more bums on seats.[/p][/quote]Players are paid massive wages, it's the fans that pay them ultimately. If a player cannot accept abuse and being critisised they should stop playing, retire or leave. I would take the good and the bad for a lot less than 30,000 per week! Roverthere

12:41pm Wed 19 Dec 12

AndyW says...

I bet Dunn got excited on seeing this headline...thought he was getting some Big Macs!
I bet Dunn got excited on seeing this headline...thought he was getting some Big Macs! AndyW

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