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Blackburn Rovers fans launch trust with sights set on buying club
3:50pm Monday 26th November 2012 in News
Darwen MP Jake Berry signs up to the Rovers Trust at its launch at Blackburn Cathedral
BLACKBURN Rovers fans gathered for the official launch of a supporters’ trust which is hoping to be able to buy the club from Venky’s.
The Rovers Trust, backed by MPs and former players, has already raised £3million from fans buying shares.
The group met at Blackburn Cathedral on Saturday to unveil its campaign strategy, which is to obtain full, or part, ownership of the club.
Trust co-chairman Wayne Wild, also a director at Darwen’s WEC group, said: “The meeting was really just to give everybody an update as to where we are at. We wanted to gain more membership, inform everybody what the current stage is, and talk about a pre-share offer.
“We also wanted to tell people what the overall aim was, which is for fans to have a shared ownership in the club.”
Mr Wild said the trust had come together after the Blackburn Rovers Supporters’ Investment Trust, and the Blackburn Rovers Supporters’ Trust, merged.
He said: “By uniting, we can concentrate on making as many supporters as possible members of Rovers Trust.
“This gives us the ideal platform to persuade members, supporters, and the business community, to raise enough capital to buy the club.”
Venky’s have previously denied the club is for sale.
Comments(79)
FCBurnley
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4:14pm Mon 26 Nov 12
midas
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4:19pm Mon 26 Nov 12
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Who are they planning to share the ownership with? the Venkeys?
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what sort of 5 of the share capital are they aiming for?
marcusbrfc95
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4:22pm Mon 26 Nov 12
FCBurnley wrote:Sad that the fans want to own the club, therefore showing compassion and full support, how is that sad you moron?
Oh dear, Oh dear. How pitifully sad !
moh
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4:32pm Mon 26 Nov 12
midas wrote:did six people turn up for meeting or were there more. Also six months ago more people would have probably been interested. The club have moved on and the situation is different now.
Do they have £3 million in the bank or "pledges" from fans that, if the opportunity arises, they will contribute? . Who are they planning to share the ownership with? the Venkeys? . what sort of 5 of the share capital are they aiming for?
midas
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4:39pm Mon 26 Nov 12
marcusbrfc95 wrote:Showing compassion for whom?
FCBurnley wrote: Oh dear, Oh dear. How pitifully sad !Sad that the fans want to own the club, therefore showing compassion and full support, how is that sad you moron?
Rovers 4 Life
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5:23pm Mon 26 Nov 12
FCBurnley wrote:For your information, Peter Dobson your ex-MP was at the meeting and told us that your lot couldn't even raise £1 million, when you tried the same thing. Jog On
Oh dear, Oh dear. How pitifully sad !
Alan42
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5:30pm Mon 26 Nov 12
FCBurnley wrote:Ho dear. How pitifully jealous!
Oh dear, Oh dear. How pitifully sad !
owd nick
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6:09pm Mon 26 Nov 12
And just what do they intend to buy with £3 million?
Lancs - pensioner
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6:22pm Mon 26 Nov 12
moh wrote:Not sure if these fans could pull this off but let's look at why they are still trying-
midas wrote:did six people turn up for meeting or were there more. Also six months ago more people would have probably been interested. The club have moved on and the situation is different now.
Do they have £3 million in the bank or "pledges" from fans that, if the opportunity arises, they will contribute? . Who are they planning to share the ownership with? the Venkeys? . what sort of 5 of the share capital are they aiming for?
Kean quit he did not get sacked, this after bringing the club into disrepute on more than one occasion! Why
Venkys are still not communicating strongly with the fans. Why
The staff who the Venkys have taken on and are still there leave a lot to be desired (Hendry as an example) Why
Singh stated they had some quality managers applying for the job yet they give it to an inexperienced one (HB has my backing having said that) who rang up a couple of days after Kean left and asked for the job, two managers with drew there applications, why?
No we have got rid of some of the problems at Ewood (Kean) but there are still plenty there.
No matter what anyone says we have lost a lot of fans who will never return until the Venkys have gone full stop, this us why such people are still trying to get OUR club back.
Good luck to them I say.
golazzo
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6:30pm Mon 26 Nov 12
owd nick
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6:39pm Mon 26 Nov 12
Lancs - pensioner wrote:£3 million?
moh wrote:Not sure if these fans could pull this off but let's look at why they are still trying-
midas wrote:did six people turn up for meeting or were there more. Also six months ago more people would have probably been interested. The club have moved on and the situation is different now.
Do they have £3 million in the bank or "pledges" from fans that, if the opportunity arises, they will contribute? . Who are they planning to share the ownership with? the Venkeys? . what sort of 5 of the share capital are they aiming for?
Kean quit he did not get sacked, this after bringing the club into disrepute on more than one occasion! Why
Venkys are still not communicating strongly with the fans. Why
The staff who the Venkys have taken on and are still there leave a lot to be desired (Hendry as an example) Why
Singh stated they had some quality managers applying for the job yet they give it to an inexperienced one (HB has my backing having said that) who rang up a couple of days after Kean left and asked for the job, two managers with drew there applications, why?
No we have got rid of some of the problems at Ewood (Kean) but there are still plenty there.
No matter what anyone says we have lost a lot of fans who will never return until the Venkys have gone full stop, this us why such people are still trying to get OUR club back.
Good luck to them I say.
More like £50 to £100 million is required if we are to get back to the PL.
Where are Rovers fans going to get that sort of money and will they be expected to dip their hands in their pockets every time the coffers start to run dry?
I have my £1000 put to one side but I will be damned if I am parting with a single penny until they get their act together, because I am not going to get it back and in all honesty I can't really afford it.
I am not interested in wasting my valuable time going to meetings where people just talk.
Firm facts please not just hopeful talk.
Babbar Divino
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6:41pm Mon 26 Nov 12
A Rover 45 years and over
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6:42pm Mon 26 Nov 12
midas
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7:00pm Mon 26 Nov 12
Rovers 4 Life wrote:Who is Peter Dobson and what club are you referring to?
FCBurnley wrote:For your information, Peter Dobson your ex-MP was at the meeting and told us that your lot couldn't even raise £1 million, when you tried the same thing. Jog On
Oh dear, Oh dear. How pitifully sad !
Dukes
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7:08pm Mon 26 Nov 12
I see few comments are begin taken off.
FCBurnley
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7:10pm Mon 26 Nov 12
midas wrote:Wow, Peter Dobson eh !
Rovers 4 Life wrote:Who is Peter Dobson and what club are you referring to?
FCBurnley wrote:For your information, Peter Dobson your ex-MP was at the meeting and told us that your lot couldn't even raise £1 million, when you tried the same thing. Jog On
Oh dear, Oh dear. How pitifully sad !
Midas, Fancy pledging a grand or 2 and I will do the same. Then we can take over Man U or City or maybe even Barcelona !!!!
woolywords
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7:11pm Mon 26 Nov 12
Some years ago I joined a group of football fans that were intent on doing a similar thing.
http://www.myfootbal
lclub.co.uk/history
There is nothing stopping others from joining in, if you promote it through social media. Let it do for you what it did for the Arabs.
Irish knowledge
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7:14pm Mon 26 Nov 12
M.DANNY
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7:18pm Mon 26 Nov 12
fanny_tickler
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8:18pm Mon 26 Nov 12
juanbbien
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8:21pm Mon 26 Nov 12
M.DANNY wrote:What do you mean and I quote. "who does these want from BRFC now" ?
£3 million buys one leg of Jordan Rhodes .These lot are living in cloud cookoo land . Walkers sold this club for £48 million to the Venkys with backing of Rovers board then under Chairman Robert Coar.Who does these want from BRFC now.
Harwoodstblue
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8:24pm Mon 26 Nov 12
fanny_tickler wrote:It'll buy the Turd and Gawthorpe and give us a million and a half change.
Who are these clowns, what are they doing in a Cathedral, and what do they think £3 million is going to get them?
BlueSkies
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8:38pm Mon 26 Nov 12
happiness
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9:29pm Mon 26 Nov 12
BlueSkies wrote:There is!! It's called a '34 year inferiority complex' consistently brought upon by bitterness and jealousy.....
Dingle posters, so obsessed with all things BRFC. Amazing. There must be a medical term for their behaviour.
down by the riverside
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9:33pm Mon 26 Nov 12
Stone Island:
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9:59pm Mon 26 Nov 12
juanbbien wrote:He's a half wit.
M.DANNY wrote:What do you mean and I quote. "who does these want from BRFC now" ?
£3 million buys one leg of Jordan Rhodes .These lot are living in cloud cookoo land . Walkers sold this club for £48 million to the Venkys with backing of Rovers board then under Chairman Robert Coar.Who does these want from BRFC now.
Stone Island:
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10:03pm Mon 26 Nov 12
M.DANNY wrote:Why do you keep saying that the vermin paid £48M for BRFC? NO THEY DID NOT! If you keep trying to wind us up, then have the sense to get some basic facts correct. You come across as a Dingle WUM!
£3 million buys one leg of Jordan Rhodes .These lot are living in cloud cookoo land . Walkers sold this club for £48 million to the Venkys with backing of Rovers board then under Chairman Robert Coar.Who does these want from BRFC now.
French Rover
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10:16pm Mon 26 Nov 12
Also the investment amount needs to be made more flexible so as to perhaps encourage those Rovers fans who do not have such large amounts of money to invest but who still wish to be part of the Trust.
It is (to paraphrase a couple of Rovers managers) a very positive step that can help secure the long term future of our club.
blueblooded
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10:16pm Mon 26 Nov 12
Lancs - pensioner wrote:To be fair lp, theres only a few more thousand real fans to be had out there.
moh wrote:Not sure if these fans could pull this off but let's look at why they are still trying-
midas wrote:did six people turn up for meeting or were there more. Also six months ago more people would have probably been interested. The club have moved on and the situation is different now.
Do they have £3 million in the bank or "pledges" from fans that, if the opportunity arises, they will contribute? . Who are they planning to share the ownership with? the Venkeys? . what sort of 5 of the share capital are they aiming for?
Kean quit he did not get sacked, this after bringing the club into disrepute on more than one occasion! Why
Venkys are still not communicating strongly with the fans. Why
The staff who the Venkys have taken on and are still there leave a lot to be desired (Hendry as an example) Why
Singh stated they had some quality managers applying for the job yet they give it to an inexperienced one (HB has my backing having said that) who rang up a couple of days after Kean left and asked for the job, two managers with drew there applications, why?
No we have got rid of some of the problems at Ewood (Kean) but there are still plenty there.
No matter what anyone says we have lost a lot of fans who will never return until the Venkys have gone full stop, this us why such people are still trying to get OUR club back.
Good luck to them I say.
Take away the fairweather fans, the premiership glory boys and those that cant stand the idea of asians owning the club and you are left with a mere thousand or so who are boycotting because they object to how the club is run and not by whom, and possibly a few hundred that have lost interest altogether.
Lets face it, promotion is the only way we'll get the majority of the fans back. Everyone else who never boycotted or vowed to return on Keans exit are, to a large extent, already back. The crowd may be lacking at Ewood park, but I dont believe relegation would have left us with more than 15k fans had Venkys or Kean never been in the picture and bfs had relegated us.
I dont lose sleep about those fans who didnt return. I would rather the team concentrate on improving their play and let me and thee the true supporters who are attending worry about creating the atmosphere to spur them on.
As for the Trust, Wayne Wild and co, whilst hard working and dedicated, must realise by now the most they can expect is for Venkys to allow them to have a voice. The idea of one day owning a club as big as Rovers is deluded as it is frugal. Sadly a thousand or so stay-aways pledging will a few million translates to very little in this day and age. Its likely to be counter-productive and disruptive at a time when we are just starting to see some positives,
M.DANNY
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11:16pm Mon 26 Nov 12
juanbbien wrote:What is £3million going to buy one leg of Rhodes? what does these idiots going to buy the club back for £3 million ? We want to take the club in future we do not look in the past .As a Rover fan i visit Ewood Park to support Henning Berg and his players.If these thousand or so want to be no part of BRFC in future then fine.Mr Robert Coar chairman and the Walkers approved the takeover by Venkys.The Venkys did make mistake by appointing Kean as manager and the relegation of our beloved BRFC which i was gutted and stayed away from Ewood Park while Kean was in charge.I supported Rovers all my life and i want to see an improvement under Berg and Venky to learn from the mistakes they have made.
M.DANNY wrote:What do you mean and I quote. "who does these want from BRFC now" ?
£3 million buys one leg of Jordan Rhodes .These lot are living in cloud cookoo land . Walkers sold this club for £48 million to the Venkys with backing of Rovers board then under Chairman Robert Coar.Who does these want from BRFC now.
George White Bread
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11:28pm Mon 26 Nov 12
Harwoodstblue wrote:Im confused, If the turd and gawthorpe was going to cost you a million and a half why would you offer three million in the first place?
fanny_tickler wrote:It'll buy the Turd and Gawthorpe and give us a million and a half change.
Who are these clowns, what are they doing in a Cathedral, and what do they think £3 million is going to get them?
YarkshahRover
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12:01am Tue 27 Nov 12
golazzo wrote:Just because that is what you prefer to believe doesn't make it true.
Many of your fans, were simply fans of the Premiership and came to Ewood to watch the likes of Man Yoo and not necessarily Blackburn.
spike t
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6:34am Tue 27 Nov 12
diamonds2india
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8:04am Tue 27 Nov 12
blueblooded wrote:You may well try and play it all down...but if there is another Jack Walker type Rovers supporter out there then this is the way to attract them. As for fans coming back...well they would if they believed the club was being running properly..and not by a bunch of self serving chancers!!
Lancs - pensioner wrote:To be fair lp, theres only a few more thousand real fans to be had out there. Take away the fairweather fans, the premiership glory boys and those that cant stand the idea of asians owning the club and you are left with a mere thousand or so who are boycotting because they object to how the club is run and not by whom, and possibly a few hundred that have lost interest altogether. Lets face it, promotion is the only way we'll get the majority of the fans back. Everyone else who never boycotted or vowed to return on Keans exit are, to a large extent, already back. The crowd may be lacking at Ewood park, but I dont believe relegation would have left us with more than 15k fans had Venkys or Kean never been in the picture and bfs had relegated us. I dont lose sleep about those fans who didnt return. I would rather the team concentrate on improving their play and let me and thee the true supporters who are attending worry about creating the atmosphere to spur them on. As for the Trust, Wayne Wild and co, whilst hard working and dedicated, must realise by now the most they can expect is for Venkys to allow them to have a voice. The idea of one day owning a club as big as Rovers is deluded as it is frugal. Sadly a thousand or so stay-aways pledging will a few million translates to very little in this day and age. Its likely to be counter-productive and disruptive at a time when we are just starting to see some positives,moh wrote:Not sure if these fans could pull this off but let's look at why they are still trying- Kean quit he did not get sacked, this after bringing the club into disrepute on more than one occasion! Why Venkys are still not communicating strongly with the fans. Why The staff who the Venkys have taken on and are still there leave a lot to be desired (Hendry as an example) Why Singh stated they had some quality managers applying for the job yet they give it to an inexperienced one (HB has my backing having said that) who rang up a couple of days after Kean left and asked for the job, two managers with drew there applications, why? No we have got rid of some of the problems at Ewood (Kean) but there are still plenty there. No matter what anyone says we have lost a lot of fans who will never return until the Venkys have gone full stop, this us why such people are still trying to get OUR club back. Good luck to them I say.midas wrote: Do they have £3 million in the bank or "pledges" from fans that, if the opportunity arises, they will contribute? . Who are they planning to share the ownership with? the Venkeys? . what sort of 5 of the share capital are they aiming for?did six people turn up for meeting or were there more. Also six months ago more people would have probably been interested. The club have moved on and the situation is different now.
Harwoodstblue
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8:53am Tue 27 Nov 12
George White Bread wrote:OK, the Dingles can keep the tip as well.
Harwoodstblue wrote:Im confused, If the turd and gawthorpe was going to cost you a million and a half why would you offer three million in the first place?
fanny_tickler wrote:It'll buy the Turd and Gawthorpe and give us a million and a half change.
Who are these clowns, what are they doing in a Cathedral, and what do they think £3 million is going to get them?
jennyspain
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8:58am Tue 27 Nov 12
French Rover
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9:22am Tue 27 Nov 12
diamonds2india wrote:Hate to even consider the possibility - never mind say it - but I think that DFI and agree (almost) on this..
blueblooded wrote:You may well try and play it all down...but if there is another Jack Walker type Rovers supporter out there then this is the way to attract them. As for fans coming back...well they would if they believed the club was being running properly..and not by a bunch of self serving chancers!!
Lancs - pensioner wrote:To be fair lp, theres only a few more thousand real fans to be had out there. Take away the fairweather fans, the premiership glory boys and those that cant stand the idea of asians owning the club and you are left with a mere thousand or so who are boycotting because they object to how the club is run and not by whom, and possibly a few hundred that have lost interest altogether. Lets face it, promotion is the only way we'll get the majority of the fans back. Everyone else who never boycotted or vowed to return on Keans exit are, to a large extent, already back. The crowd may be lacking at Ewood park, but I dont believe relegation would have left us with more than 15k fans had Venkys or Kean never been in the picture and bfs had relegated us. I dont lose sleep about those fans who didnt return. I would rather the team concentrate on improving their play and let me and thee the true supporters who are attending worry about creating the atmosphere to spur them on. As for the Trust, Wayne Wild and co, whilst hard working and dedicated, must realise by now the most they can expect is for Venkys to allow them to have a voice. The idea of one day owning a club as big as Rovers is deluded as it is frugal. Sadly a thousand or so stay-aways pledging will a few million translates to very little in this day and age. Its likely to be counter-productive and disruptive at a time when we are just starting to see some positives,moh wrote:Not sure if these fans could pull this off but let's look at why they are still trying- Kean quit he did not get sacked, this after bringing the club into disrepute on more than one occasion! Why Venkys are still not communicating strongly with the fans. Why The staff who the Venkys have taken on and are still there leave a lot to be desired (Hendry as an example) Why Singh stated they had some quality managers applying for the job yet they give it to an inexperienced one (HB has my backing having said that) who rang up a couple of days after Kean left and asked for the job, two managers with drew there applications, why? No we have got rid of some of the problems at Ewood (Kean) but there are still plenty there. No matter what anyone says we have lost a lot of fans who will never return until the Venkys have gone full stop, this us why such people are still trying to get OUR club back. Good luck to them I say.midas wrote: Do they have £3 million in the bank or "pledges" from fans that, if the opportunity arises, they will contribute? . Who are they planning to share the ownership with? the Venkeys? . what sort of 5 of the share capital are they aiming for?did six people turn up for meeting or were there more. Also six months ago more people would have probably been interested. The club have moved on and the situation is different now.
This is the only way forward long term for the Rovers to try and ensure that the club is never in this situation again. Granted things are a little less muddy now that Kean has gone and Berg is here and we have some semblance of order at the club - but the Venkys are still not making themselves and their aims known to the Rovers fans - so we cannot know anything (only fear) about what the future holds under the V's.
The Rovers Trust if successful could become a 'joint-owner' of the club (if Venkys agree) or even a full owner but this would take some years and need a lot more investors on board before that could happen. But the point is that this can actually happen. Just not overnight.
It already has happened at Portsmouth (though they have gone into administration twice before it became a reality). Portsmouth are the biggest club that is owned by a Supporters Trust.
Exeter City are currently the highest-placed side in the Football League that are mutually owned by supporters, as are AFC Wimbledon and Wycombe Wanderers, both of League Two.
Swansea City in the Premier League are 'part-owned' by fans, with the Swans Trust holding a 20% share in the Welsh club, while other teams outside the top four divisions including Wrexham, Chester and FC United of Manchester have also undergone a similar process in recent years.
So maybe the Swansea model is the one that the Rovers Trust will aim for at least initially? This model would give the RT/Rovers fans a powerful voice in the running of the club and allow for proper transparency in the way the club is run.
It would help restore some of the family values that have always been associated with the Rovers in the past and also IMO bring some of the missing fans.
GB56
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9:38am Tue 27 Nov 12
Ronaldpetercooper
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9:51am Tue 27 Nov 12
French Rover wrote:Hi French Rover you are spot on as there is not sufficient information available. One word of caution Port Vale was purchased by the fans and went bust due to a lack of money on a ongoing basis so those fans who purchased shares have found them to be worthless after going into Administration. Do not wish to be pessimistic but an awful lot of of money would be required and would depend entirely on being in the Premiership.
I think that the new Rovers Trust should set out their intent and plans in a special LET supplement perhaps and also make it available for download. Then more Rovers fans will be able to understand just what the practical aims of the RT are and what achievements can be gained/made and how these will benefit the club and the fans who invest. Also the investment amount needs to be made more flexible so as to perhaps encourage those Rovers fans who do not have such large amounts of money to invest but who still wish to be part of the Trust. It is (to paraphrase a couple of Rovers managers) a very positive step that can help secure the long term future of our club.
BB4Claret
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10:11am Tue 27 Nov 12
Sitting on a majority at the last election of just under 4500 ........
Jumping on a popularist bandwagon to try to drum up support ....... on the dark sie of his constituency .........
has just risked alienating himself from every Tory-voting Burnley fan in Rossendale.
What a plonker !
No wonder this country is in such a shambles.
Vote UKIP - or Labour - or Lib Dem !!!
ChrisDeBerg
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10:27am Tue 27 Nov 12
owd nick wrote:Let's face it... say Rovers had 30,000 fans, all regular attending fans that could each afford to part with £1,000 with no immediate sign of a return on the investment.
Lancs - pensioner wrote:£3 million?
moh wrote:Not sure if these fans could pull this off but let's look at why they are still trying-
midas wrote:did six people turn up for meeting or were there more. Also six months ago more people would have probably been interested. The club have moved on and the situation is different now.
Do they have £3 million in the bank or "pledges" from fans that, if the opportunity arises, they will contribute? . Who are they planning to share the ownership with? the Venkeys? . what sort of 5 of the share capital are they aiming for?
Kean quit he did not get sacked, this after bringing the club into disrepute on more than one occasion! Why
Venkys are still not communicating strongly with the fans. Why
The staff who the Venkys have taken on and are still there leave a lot to be desired (Hendry as an example) Why
Singh stated they had some quality managers applying for the job yet they give it to an inexperienced one (HB has my backing having said that) who rang up a couple of days after Kean left and asked for the job, two managers with drew there applications, why?
No we have got rid of some of the problems at Ewood (Kean) but there are still plenty there.
No matter what anyone says we have lost a lot of fans who will never return until the Venkys have gone full stop, this us why such people are still trying to get OUR club back.
Good luck to them I say.
More like £50 to £100 million is required if we are to get back to the PL.
Where are Rovers fans going to get that sort of money and will they be expected to dip their hands in their pockets every time the coffers start to run dry?
I have my £1000 put to one side but I will be damned if I am parting with a single penny until they get their act together, because I am not going to get it back and in all honesty I can't really afford it.
I am not interested in wasting my valuable time going to meetings where people just talk.
Firm facts please not just hopeful talk.
30000 x 1000 = 30 million
So even though I'm massively over estimating... We would be looking at 20+ million just to buy the club from venky's, considering we was buying it with the current squad and facilities. This leaves us with, lets say, 10 million left to spend on players (which in my opinion at least another 5m is needed at the mo).
Left with 5 million in the championship... Players wages, overheads for the ground etc would eat that up in a season if we included gate money for the 30,000 fans. The championship relies mainly on the team doing good business, we are far from a profitable team, light years at the moment.
Where we are now, we are operating at massive losses, we've spent more than a good few premiership teams this season to get back up there and we're paying near enough the same as a low end premiership team is on wages too.
Deluded is not the word to describe this futile plan to buy a club with a 'NOT FOR SALE' sign.
If you want to support your team, buy a season ticket, forget who's pocket it goes in and get down to the games to roar on the players like the rest of us proper fans, I say proper fans because you have to 'support' your team to be a fan, 'support' being the key word here, look it up in a dictionary!
So if everything does go t1ts up after you ploughing your money in every week to watch Rovers play? At least you did your bit to try and help! Because offering £1000 to a never going to happen pledge is doing nobody any favours and just rocks a boat thats steadying! Just think, thats 4 seasons of football!!
Now if we had 100,000 fans offering £1000, I'd be the first to the front of the queue... So get real if you think this is a good idea!!
RTID
bluenick
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10:59am Tue 27 Nov 12
owd nick wrote:Maybe a football club run to the ground when Venkys are done!!!!
I was interested when the idea was first muted but lost that interest once BRSIT merged with BRST.
And just what do they intend to buy with £3 million?
bluenick
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11:05am Tue 27 Nov 12
French Rover wrote:Forget the missing fans! They are all talk & will make some other excuses up!
diamonds2india wrote:Hate to even consider the possibility - never mind say it - but I think that DFI and agree (almost) on this..
blueblooded wrote:You may well try and play it all down...but if there is another Jack Walker type Rovers supporter out there then this is the way to attract them. As for fans coming back...well they would if they believed the club was being running properly..and not by a bunch of self serving chancers!!
Lancs - pensioner wrote:To be fair lp, theres only a few more thousand real fans to be had out there. Take away the fairweather fans, the premiership glory boys and those that cant stand the idea of asians owning the club and you are left with a mere thousand or so who are boycotting because they object to how the club is run and not by whom, and possibly a few hundred that have lost interest altogether. Lets face it, promotion is the only way we'll get the majority of the fans back. Everyone else who never boycotted or vowed to return on Keans exit are, to a large extent, already back. The crowd may be lacking at Ewood park, but I dont believe relegation would have left us with more than 15k fans had Venkys or Kean never been in the picture and bfs had relegated us. I dont lose sleep about those fans who didnt return. I would rather the team concentrate on improving their play and let me and thee the true supporters who are attending worry about creating the atmosphere to spur them on. As for the Trust, Wayne Wild and co, whilst hard working and dedicated, must realise by now the most they can expect is for Venkys to allow them to have a voice. The idea of one day owning a club as big as Rovers is deluded as it is frugal. Sadly a thousand or so stay-aways pledging will a few million translates to very little in this day and age. Its likely to be counter-productive and disruptive at a time when we are just starting to see some positives,moh wrote:Not sure if these fans could pull this off but let's look at why they are still trying- Kean quit he did not get sacked, this after bringing the club into disrepute on more than one occasion! Why Venkys are still not communicating strongly with the fans. Why The staff who the Venkys have taken on and are still there leave a lot to be desired (Hendry as an example) Why Singh stated they had some quality managers applying for the job yet they give it to an inexperienced one (HB has my backing having said that) who rang up a couple of days after Kean left and asked for the job, two managers with drew there applications, why? No we have got rid of some of the problems at Ewood (Kean) but there are still plenty there. No matter what anyone says we have lost a lot of fans who will never return until the Venkys have gone full stop, this us why such people are still trying to get OUR club back. Good luck to them I say.midas wrote: Do they have £3 million in the bank or "pledges" from fans that, if the opportunity arises, they will contribute? . Who are they planning to share the ownership with? the Venkeys? . what sort of 5 of the share capital are they aiming for?did six people turn up for meeting or were there more. Also six months ago more people would have probably been interested. The club have moved on and the situation is different now.
This is the only way forward long term for the Rovers to try and ensure that the club is never in this situation again. Granted things are a little less muddy now that Kean has gone and Berg is here and we have some semblance of order at the club - but the Venkys are still not making themselves and their aims known to the Rovers fans - so we cannot know anything (only fear) about what the future holds under the V's.
The Rovers Trust if successful could become a 'joint-owner' of the club (if Venkys agree) or even a full owner but this would take some years and need a lot more investors on board before that could happen. But the point is that this can actually happen. Just not overnight.
It already has happened at Portsmouth (though they have gone into administration twice before it became a reality). Portsmouth are the biggest club that is owned by a Supporters Trust.
Exeter City are currently the highest-placed side in the Football League that are mutually owned by supporters, as are AFC Wimbledon and Wycombe Wanderers, both of League Two.
Swansea City in the Premier League are 'part-owned' by fans, with the Swans Trust holding a 20% share in the Welsh club, while other teams outside the top four divisions including Wrexham, Chester and FC United of Manchester have also undergone a similar process in recent years.
So maybe the Swansea model is the one that the Rovers Trust will aim for at least initially? This model would give the RT/Rovers fans a powerful voice in the running of the club and allow for proper transparency in the way the club is run.
It would help restore some of the family values that have always been associated with the Rovers in the past and also IMO bring some of the missing fans.
Keen O to Get Kean Out
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12:02pm Tue 27 Nov 12
owd nick
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12:12pm Tue 27 Nov 12
bluenick wrote:But we don't know what Venky's are up to do we? Apart from the fact they have continued to buy players, even under a Muppet like Kean (apologies to all self respecting Muppets out there).
owd nick wrote:Maybe a football club run to the ground when Venkys are done!!!!
I was interested when the idea was first muted but lost that interest once BRSIT merged with BRST.
And just what do they intend to buy with £3 million?
Also Venky's come from a totally different hierarchial culture which is not used to having its motives questioned or even worse having to explain itself to its minions.
They apparently saw Rovers as a vehicle to expand Football in the sub continent which if successful won't be a bad thing, I think the population of India is over 1 billion now, think of the benefits of 1% of that number wearing the blue and white if they were even slightly successful.
At the end of the day we don't have a choice do we, support our club or walk away, personally I have actually enjoyed most of the games I have seen so far this season and I won't walk away whatever league we are in.
Just hoping I have a big grin on my face late Sunday afternoon.
moh
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12:25pm Tue 27 Nov 12
Keen O to Get Kean Out wrote:cheer up, its not our last season as a decent side. Venkys have bought Rhodes,Etuhu, Murphy etc. All ticket sales probably just about pay the three players wages. The club has turned corner and with Berg as manager things are on the up.
Venkys wont sell till all assets are stripped and the club is on its knees, this is our last season as a decent side, then we will demise further as we were in the 1970,s once Venkys give up and damage is to far gone
jack01
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12:51pm Tue 27 Nov 12
You might not like or trust Venkys but what we do know is that they have the ability to keep the club in business and so far have spent money on players.
Better the devil you know is what I say to Mr Wild and co.
Dublin rover
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2:14pm Tue 27 Nov 12
golazzo wrote:I have to say I travel from Ireland twice a year to see rovers.tyre fan all the way. Unlike like other **** clubs in the area. Founder members of the football league. Great club great youth set up. Say no more
Many of your fans, were simply fans of the Premiership and came to Ewood to watch the likes of Man Yoo and not necessarily Blackburn.
Harwoodstblue
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2:48pm Tue 27 Nov 12
jack01 wrote:I have to disagree about them spending money on players.
I can't help but think there is more than meets the eye with Mr Wild and his friends. Why is he spending so much time and effort doing this? What role will he have at the club should this proposal come to fruition? No, something's not quite right with all these people who are suddenly dedicating their lives to trying to get rid of Venkys.
You might not like or trust Venkys but what we do know is that they have the ability to keep the club in business and so far have spent money on players.
Better the devil you know is what I say to Mr Wild and co.
Rhodes...paid for by the sale of Samba.
Best...paid for by the sale of Hoilett.
All the others.....paid for by the sale of Jones.
I'm still waiting for Venkys pay for anyone out of their OWN money.
Harwoodstblue
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2:48pm Tue 27 Nov 12
jack01 wrote:I have to disagree about them spending money on players.
I can't help but think there is more than meets the eye with Mr Wild and his friends. Why is he spending so much time and effort doing this? What role will he have at the club should this proposal come to fruition? No, something's not quite right with all these people who are suddenly dedicating their lives to trying to get rid of Venkys.
You might not like or trust Venkys but what we do know is that they have the ability to keep the club in business and so far have spent money on players.
Better the devil you know is what I say to Mr Wild and co.
Rhodes...paid for by the sale of Samba.
Best...paid for by the sale of Hoilett.
All the others.....paid for by the sale of Jones.
I'm still waiting for Venkys pay for anyone out of their OWN money.
owd nick
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5:07pm Tue 27 Nov 12
Harwoodstblue wrote:So no-one else sells players and buys others? lol
jack01 wrote:I have to disagree about them spending money on players.
I can't help but think there is more than meets the eye with Mr Wild and his friends. Why is he spending so much time and effort doing this? What role will he have at the club should this proposal come to fruition? No, something's not quite right with all these people who are suddenly dedicating their lives to trying to get rid of Venkys.
You might not like or trust Venkys but what we do know is that they have the ability to keep the club in business and so far have spent money on players.
Better the devil you know is what I say to Mr Wild and co.
Rhodes...paid for by the sale of Samba.
Best...paid for by the sale of Hoilett.
All the others.....paid for by the sale of Jones.
I'm still waiting for Venkys pay for anyone out of their OWN money.
So every other club just finds £x million out of nowhere to buy players. lol
YCMIU. lol
We were made an offer we couldn't refuse for Jones, pity he hasn't played since because he would be an England regular now.
Hoilett was never going to stay at Ewood even if we stayed in the PL, and ran his contract into the ground, have we received anything for him yet?
Samba was whinging and whining even when Lardarse was in charge, he was too good for us and wanted away, ended up somewhere in outer Mongolia or similar.
Like it or not the name of the game for clubs like Rovers is finding raw talent and developing it, or taking a risk on someone like Rhodes and selling them on when the price is right.
French Rover
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5:10pm Tue 27 Nov 12
owd nick
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5:21pm Tue 27 Nov 12
jack01 wrote:Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with Mr Wild or any of the others in the group.
I can't help but think there is more than meets the eye with Mr Wild and his friends. Why is he spending so much time and effort doing this? What role will he have at the club should this proposal come to fruition? No, something's not quite right with all these people who are suddenly dedicating their lives to trying to get rid of Venkys.
You might not like or trust Venkys but what we do know is that they have the ability to keep the club in business and so far have spent money on players.
Better the devil you know is what I say to Mr Wild and co.
I am not a financial genius but even I know that even if Venky's were willing to sell they would look to recover their expenditure as a minimum, and that is significantly more than £3 million.
And if the target is the PL, which both groups are adamant is the case, then we would need to look at an awful lot more money than either party have hat their disposal.
And Venky's have significantly more than Mr Wilds group.
The PL is a billionaires club now, clubs like Sunderland, QPR, Stoke, etc have splashed the cash so to speak, yet tonight's game is a relegation 6 pointer for Sunderland and QPR.
If Mr Wild can get some serious backers who are willing to take the financial risks, buy us out and drive us to the PL, then I will chuck my paltry sum in the pot.
£3 million, someone needs to wake up and smell the coffee. lol
bluenwhite
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5:33pm Tue 27 Nov 12
Harwoodstblue
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7:20pm Tue 27 Nov 12
owd nick wrote:Yes, owners buy players with their own money.
Harwoodstblue wrote:So no-one else sells players and buys others? lol
jack01 wrote:I have to disagree about them spending money on players.
I can't help but think there is more than meets the eye with Mr Wild and his friends. Why is he spending so much time and effort doing this? What role will he have at the club should this proposal come to fruition? No, something's not quite right with all these people who are suddenly dedicating their lives to trying to get rid of Venkys.
You might not like or trust Venkys but what we do know is that they have the ability to keep the club in business and so far have spent money on players.
Better the devil you know is what I say to Mr Wild and co.
Rhodes...paid for by the sale of Samba.
Best...paid for by the sale of Hoilett.
All the others.....paid for by the sale of Jones.
I'm still waiting for Venkys pay for anyone out of their OWN money.
So every other club just finds £x million out of nowhere to buy players. lol
YCMIU. lol
We were made an offer we couldn't refuse for Jones, pity he hasn't played since because he would be an England regular now.
Hoilett was never going to stay at Ewood even if we stayed in the PL, and ran his contract into the ground, have we received anything for him yet?
Samba was whinging and whining even when Lardarse was in charge, he was too good for us and wanted away, ended up somewhere in outer Mongolia or similar.
Like it or not the name of the game for clubs like Rovers is finding raw talent and developing it, or taking a risk on someone like Rhodes and selling them on when the price is right.
Jack Walker,
Abramovich spent a billion I believe.
Sheikh Mansour ?????? millions
It doesn't matter whether Samba wanted to stay or not. He paid for Rhodes, not Venkys
Our owners = ten bob millionaires and have spent nothing other than Jack Walkers legacy.
Harwoodstblue
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7:36pm Tue 27 Nov 12
French Rover wrote:What sticks in my craw French Rover was the broken promise by Desai,
They are the owners harwoodstblue...so whether we like it or not - by default - it is all their money. Must admit that Rhodes is an excellent investment and Best is good buy for us I think. Hope they use 'their' money as well in January.
(I refuse to call her Mrs or Madam) " to invest £5,000,000, each transfer window"
All the players brought in to date have been paid for from outgoing player sales.
To be honest I don't believe they will ever put any money of their own into buying players.
What is their agenda ? No-one knows as they refuse to say. Are you not curious ?
French Rover
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7:59pm Tue 27 Nov 12
Harwoodstblue wrote:Very curious but sworn not to lose any sleep over it...our owners have been so opaque since they took the club over and we heard so many stories that it is still hard to know what is true and what is false and what their plans really are for the club.
French Rover wrote:What sticks in my craw French Rover was the broken promise by Desai,
They are the owners harwoodstblue...so whether we like it or not - by default - it is all their money. Must admit that Rhodes is an excellent investment and Best is good buy for us I think. Hope they use 'their' money as well in January.
(I refuse to call her Mrs or Madam) " to invest £5,000,000, each transfer window"
All the players brought in to date have been paid for from outgoing player sales.
To be honest I don't believe they will ever put any money of their own into buying players.
What is their agenda ? No-one knows as they refuse to say. Are you not curious ?
We seem to be in a 'quiet phase' right now with only our new manager really making any comments from the club - heck even the Shebmeister is quiet right now. But I guess that is how it should be (the managers voice should be the loudest and most often heard) at a 'normal club' - but then again we are anything but 'normal' if the last two years are anything to go by. So we still hope (in vain mostly) and wait for some words of truth and wisdom from our owners as to what they see as the future of our club.
The immediate future question has been answered and well communicated via various mouths - and that is they expect Rovers to win promotion and get back to the prem at the end of this season. That is Bergs directive, any less and who knows what his future holds?
It what they see as the long term future of the club that is the 64000 dollar question. That is what I am curious about and it is one question they will need to answer at the end of this season come what may.
Harwoodstblue
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8:26pm Tue 27 Nov 12
French Rover wrote:..Good post and I agree with all you say FR
Harwoodstblue wrote:Very curious but sworn not to lose any sleep over it...our owners have been so opaque since they took the club over and we heard so many stories that it is still hard to know what is true and what is false and what their plans really are for the club.
French Rover wrote:What sticks in my craw French Rover was the broken promise by Desai,
They are the owners harwoodstblue...so whether we like it or not - by default - it is all their money. Must admit that Rhodes is an excellent investment and Best is good buy for us I think. Hope they use 'their' money as well in January.
(I refuse to call her Mrs or Madam) " to invest £5,000,000, each transfer window"
All the players brought in to date have been paid for from outgoing player sales.
To be honest I don't believe they will ever put any money of their own into buying players.
What is their agenda ? No-one knows as they refuse to say. Are you not curious ?
We seem to be in a 'quiet phase' right now with only our new manager really making any comments from the club - heck even the Shebmeister is quiet right now. But I guess that is how it should be (the managers voice should be the loudest and most often heard) at a 'normal club' - but then again we are anything but 'normal' if the last two years are anything to go by. So we still hope (in vain mostly) and wait for some words of truth and wisdom from our owners as to what they see as the future of our club.
The immediate future question has been answered and well communicated via various mouths - and that is they expect Rovers to win promotion and get back to the prem at the end of this season. That is Bergs directive, any less and who knows what his future holds?
It what they see as the long term future of the club that is the 64000 dollar question. That is what I am curious about and it is one question they will need to answer at the end of this season come what may.
"and wait for some words of truth and wisdom from our owners as to what they see as the future of our club."
It's two years now since they took over the club so isn't it about time they did set out their vision for the future.
It's the least they can do for the faithful fans who pay their hard earned money and support the team through thick and thin, rather than ignore them.
They're damned ignorant as far as I'm concerned.
French Rover
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9:33pm Tue 27 Nov 12
Harwoodstblue wrote:I know its a massive understatement but I think getting relegated threw them a bit....that was definitely not in their plans.
French Rover wrote:..Good post and I agree with all you say FR
Harwoodstblue wrote:Very curious but sworn not to lose any sleep over it...our owners have been so opaque since they took the club over and we heard so many stories that it is still hard to know what is true and what is false and what their plans really are for the club.
French Rover wrote:What sticks in my craw French Rover was the broken promise by Desai,
They are the owners harwoodstblue...so whether we like it or not - by default - it is all their money. Must admit that Rhodes is an excellent investment and Best is good buy for us I think. Hope they use 'their' money as well in January.
(I refuse to call her Mrs or Madam) " to invest £5,000,000, each transfer window"
All the players brought in to date have been paid for from outgoing player sales.
To be honest I don't believe they will ever put any money of their own into buying players.
What is their agenda ? No-one knows as they refuse to say. Are you not curious ?
We seem to be in a 'quiet phase' right now with only our new manager really making any comments from the club - heck even the Shebmeister is quiet right now. But I guess that is how it should be (the managers voice should be the loudest and most often heard) at a 'normal club' - but then again we are anything but 'normal' if the last two years are anything to go by. So we still hope (in vain mostly) and wait for some words of truth and wisdom from our owners as to what they see as the future of our club.
The immediate future question has been answered and well communicated via various mouths - and that is they expect Rovers to win promotion and get back to the prem at the end of this season. That is Bergs directive, any less and who knows what his future holds?
It what they see as the long term future of the club that is the 64000 dollar question. That is what I am curious about and it is one question they will need to answer at the end of this season come what may.
"and wait for some words of truth and wisdom from our owners as to what they see as the future of our club."
It's two years now since they took over the club so isn't it about time they did set out their vision for the future.
It's the least they can do for the faithful fans who pay their hard earned money and support the team through thick and thin, rather than ignore them.
They're damned ignorant as far as I'm concerned.
It all depends if you think that our owners were actually initially naive about what buying and owning and running an English premier League club entailed..
I personally think there was some naivety involved but I also think that Keanio and other forces in the form of 'advisers' played them along because of that naivety.
But they surely are not naive now after all that has happened. So I cannot understand the wall of silence that still exists between them and the fans.
Do they realize how much they hurt the club and fans and because of that are they are they afraid of the fans reactions?
Will they feel 'safe' if and when we win promotion and then will they come and say 'sorry' for the last two years and explain to us this is how we will make sure this can never happen again? Hard to say but stretch the imagination a bit and that could just be possible....only time will tell!
Come the Revolution
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10:38pm Tue 27 Nov 12
Roverthere
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3:38am Wed 28 Nov 12
French Rover wrote:A long time!
Harwoodstblue wrote:I know its a massive understatement but I think getting relegated threw them a bit....that was definitely not in their plans.
French Rover wrote:..Good post and I agree with all you say FR
Harwoodstblue wrote:Very curious but sworn not to lose any sleep over it...our owners have been so opaque since they took the club over and we heard so many stories that it is still hard to know what is true and what is false and what their plans really are for the club.
French Rover wrote:What sticks in my craw French Rover was the broken promise by Desai,
They are the owners harwoodstblue...so whether we like it or not - by default - it is all their money. Must admit that Rhodes is an excellent investment and Best is good buy for us I think. Hope they use 'their' money as well in January.
(I refuse to call her Mrs or Madam) " to invest £5,000,000, each transfer window"
All the players brought in to date have been paid for from outgoing player sales.
To be honest I don't believe they will ever put any money of their own into buying players.
What is their agenda ? No-one knows as they refuse to say. Are you not curious ?
We seem to be in a 'quiet phase' right now with only our new manager really making any comments from the club - heck even the Shebmeister is quiet right now. But I guess that is how it should be (the managers voice should be the loudest and most often heard) at a 'normal club' - but then again we are anything but 'normal' if the last two years are anything to go by. So we still hope (in vain mostly) and wait for some words of truth and wisdom from our owners as to what they see as the future of our club.
The immediate future question has been answered and well communicated via various mouths - and that is they expect Rovers to win promotion and get back to the prem at the end of this season. That is Bergs directive, any less and who knows what his future holds?
It what they see as the long term future of the club that is the 64000 dollar question. That is what I am curious about and it is one question they will need to answer at the end of this season come what may.
"and wait for some words of truth and wisdom from our owners as to what they see as the future of our club."
It's two years now since they took over the club so isn't it about time they did set out their vision for the future.
It's the least they can do for the faithful fans who pay their hard earned money and support the team through thick and thin, rather than ignore them.
They're damned ignorant as far as I'm concerned.
It all depends if you think that our owners were actually initially naive about what buying and owning and running an English premier League club entailed..
I personally think there was some naivety involved but I also think that Keanio and other forces in the form of 'advisers' played them along because of that naivety.
But they surely are not naive now after all that has happened. So I cannot understand the wall of silence that still exists between them and the fans.
Do they realize how much they hurt the club and fans and because of that are they are they afraid of the fans reactions?
Will they feel 'safe' if and when we win promotion and then will they come and say 'sorry' for the last two years and explain to us this is how we will make sure this can never happen again? Hard to say but stretch the imagination a bit and that could just be possible....only time will tell!
thoroughbred
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3:43am Wed 28 Nov 12
diamonds2india
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5:57am Wed 28 Nov 12
moh wrote:How can you say things are looking up under "your" agent Berg??? Rovers have just been stuffed 2-0 at home by Millwall and have accrued a pitiful 5 points out of a possible 15 under Berg's stewardship...and this with one of the best squads ever assembled in the Championship.
Keen O to Get Kean Out wrote: Venkys wont sell till all assets are stripped and the club is on its knees, this is our last season as a decent side, then we will demise further as we were in the 1970,s once Venkys give up and damage is to far gonecheer up, its not our last season as a decent side. Venkys have bought Rhodes,Etuhu, Murphy etc. All ticket sales probably just about pay the three players wages. The club has turned corner and with Berg as manager things are on the up.
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Out of Berg's last 15 games as a "football manager", he as managed to achieve the grand total of 7 points out of a possible 45.
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The best thing for the Trust to do is to contact the Sports Minister and demand an investigation into the REAL owners / and their running of the Football club - as well as corruption in the game. The FA and Premier League cannot be trusted (and clearly aren't willing) to undertake such a task. Some have said there are religious links between the head's of the FA, Premier League, agents and football clubs. That may just be coincidence, but definitely needs to be investigated to discount a corrupt network in operation.
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FOOTNOTE: I believe Sebastian Coe is interested in running for the FIFA job.
diamonds2india
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6:21am Wed 28 Nov 12
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http://www.biblebeli
evers.org.au/ij_ch12
.htm
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For the sake of Jack Walker's legacy (on a personal note) and for the wider footballing world, corruption needs to be eradicated before the game becomes another banking crisis.
whappen
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7:54am Wed 28 Nov 12
M.DANNY wrote:C'mon, catch up; Robert Coar wasn't chairman and hadn't been for about 12 years or so.
juanbbien wrote:What is £3million going to buy one leg of Rhodes? what does these idiots going to buy the club back for £3 million ? We want to take the club in future we do not look in the past .As a Rover fan i visit Ewood Park to support Henning Berg and his players.If these thousand or so want to be no part of BRFC in future then fine.Mr Robert Coar chairman and the Walkers approved the takeover by Venkys.The Venkys did make mistake by appointing Kean as manager and the relegation of our beloved BRFC which i was gutted and stayed away from Ewood Park while Kean was in charge.I supported Rovers all my life and i want to see an improvement under Berg and Venky to learn from the mistakes they have made.M.DANNY wrote: £3 million buys one leg of Jordan Rhodes .These lot are living in cloud cookoo land . Walkers sold this club for £48 million to the Venkys with backing of Rovers board then under Chairman Robert Coar.Who does these want from BRFC now.What do you mean and I quote. "who does these want from BRFC now" ?
And Venkys paid £20 odd mill, not 48; they took on the company's debt, which is not the same thing.
Also businesses which suffer a 900% increase in losses BEFORE a 60-70% drop in income don't tend to hold their value. Granted it wouldn't fall to £3m - nowhere near - but full ownership is not the only option either.
You could hardly describe Venkys as having made great strides in addressing their incompetent management of the club to date. Unless you think hiring a Malaysian TV pundit who continues to embarass us every time he opens his mouth and a failed chairman of PNE are steps forward.
Whilst these two clowns, Agnew, Hendry et al are in place, the club will be in a constant state of inertia, regardless of who the manager is.
diamonds2india
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8:03am Wed 28 Nov 12
Come the Revolution wrote:Of course he is...big buddies with David Dein isn't he??
Does anybody know whether Robert Coar is still involved at BRFC ?,
whappen
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8:12am Wed 28 Nov 12
diamonds2india wrote:Just had a quick scan of that particular site.
I am completely none-religious in any way shape of form, but I found this to be a particularly interesting read...especially the bit about Sport. . http://www.biblebeli evers.org.au/ij_ch12 .htm . For the sake of Jack Walker's legacy (on a personal note) and for the wider footballing world, corruption needs to be eradicated before the game becomes another banking crisis.
Not the most balanced opinions you'll ever see. I appreciate you are not a religious person and hope you can see through the motives of people like this.
Any opinions or beliefs based an a book of unsubstantiated ramblings by supposed knowledgeable men (note: no women) carefully edited by similarly supposed knowledgeable men (note: no women again) can't be healthy.
I would recommend anyone to steer well clear.
whappen
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8:52am Wed 28 Nov 12
"Biblebelievers.org.
au is a pseudo religious website of the Bible Believer's Church of Sydney. While it presents itself as a source for Christian information, the website contains numerous anti-Semitic and Holocaust denial material. The federal court of Australia has accused the website of breaching the Racial Discrimination Act and has ordered the owners to remove material from it"
It is very popular in the US apparently; why am I not surprised?
You may not be a religious man D2I, nor am I; Biblebelievers.org.a
u are most certainly not.
Steer well clear............
whappen
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9:15am Wed 28 Nov 12
diamonds2india wrote:FFS, give the man a chance. It will take longer than a few games to turn this shambles around. Especially when he is surrounded by idiots like Singh, Shaw and Agnew.
moh wrote:How can you say things are looking up under "your" agent Berg??? Rovers have just been stuffed 2-0 at home by Millwall and have accrued a pitiful 5 points out of a possible 15 under Berg's stewardship...and this with one of the best squads ever assembled in the Championship. . Out of Berg's last 15 games as a "football manager", he as managed to achieve the grand total of 7 points out of a possible 45. . The best thing for the Trust to do is to contact the Sports Minister and demand an investigation into the REAL owners / and their running of the Football club - as well as corruption in the game. The FA and Premier League cannot be trusted (and clearly aren't willing) to undertake such a task. Some have said there are religious links between the head's of the FA, Premier League, agents and football clubs. That may just be coincidence, but definitely needs to be investigated to discount a corrupt network in operation. . FOOTNOTE: I believe Sebastian Coe is interested in running for the FIFA job.Keen O to Get Kean Out wrote: Venkys wont sell till all assets are stripped and the club is on its knees, this is our last season as a decent side, then we will demise further as we were in the 1970,s once Venkys give up and damage is to far gonecheer up, its not our last season as a decent side. Venkys have bought Rhodes,Etuhu, Murphy etc. All ticket sales probably just about pay the three players wages. The club has turned corner and with Berg as manager things are on the up.
As for us having " one of the best squads ever assembled in the Championship"; most expensive or highest paid maybe but that is a loooooooong ways from being the same thing.
Unfortuately, the Kean legacy lives on. And will do for some time.
As for "Some have said there are religious links between the head's of the FA, Premier League, agents and football clubs"
I assume by "some" you mean Biblebelievers.org.a
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Be careful who you listen to, my friend.
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10:38am Wed 28 Nov 12
whappen wrote:It's a Dingle fan whose tinfoil hat has fallen off whappen lol.
diamonds2india wrote:FFS, give the man a chance. It will take longer than a few games to turn this shambles around. Especially when he is surrounded by idiots like Singh, Shaw and Agnew.
moh wrote:How can you say things are looking up under "your" agent Berg??? Rovers have just been stuffed 2-0 at home by Millwall and have accrued a pitiful 5 points out of a possible 15 under Berg's stewardship...and this with one of the best squads ever assembled in the Championship. . Out of Berg's last 15 games as a "football manager", he as managed to achieve the grand total of 7 points out of a possible 45. . The best thing for the Trust to do is to contact the Sports Minister and demand an investigation into the REAL owners / and their running of the Football club - as well as corruption in the game. The FA and Premier League cannot be trusted (and clearly aren't willing) to undertake such a task. Some have said there are religious links between the head's of the FA, Premier League, agents and football clubs. That may just be coincidence, but definitely needs to be investigated to discount a corrupt network in operation. . FOOTNOTE: I believe Sebastian Coe is interested in running for the FIFA job.Keen O to Get Kean Out wrote: Venkys wont sell till all assets are stripped and the club is on its knees, this is our last season as a decent side, then we will demise further as we were in the 1970,s once Venkys give up and damage is to far gonecheer up, its not our last season as a decent side. Venkys have bought Rhodes,Etuhu, Murphy etc. All ticket sales probably just about pay the three players wages. The club has turned corner and with Berg as manager things are on the up.
As for us having " one of the best squads ever assembled in the Championship"; most expensive or highest paid maybe but that is a loooooooong ways from being the same thing.
Unfortuately, the Kean legacy lives on. And will do for some time.
As for "Some have said there are religious links between the head's of the FA, Premier League, agents and football clubs"
I assume by "some" you mean Biblebelievers.org.a
u.
Be careful who you listen to, my friend.
diamonds2india
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12:38pm Wed 28 Nov 12
diamonds2india wrote:I want to make it perfectly clear that I am not anti-semitic or racist in any way. But I will not tolerate corruption or self serving networks of any kind...be that jewish, freemasons or whatever!! The country is in a financial mess as a result of such behaviour from self serving greedy individuals who care for nobody else but themselves.
whappen wrote:I suppose the banking crisis never happened in your imaginary world....and who runs the banks?? Who runs the country?? ...certainly not the politicians!! They just do as they are told. Tony Blair (who it is reported is descended from Jews) surrounded himself with Jewish people including Levy and Peter Mandelson (remember Mandy on the boat with Gaddafi junior). Now Blair has a cushy job in the middle east looking after Israel!! Then there's Jack Straw on the books at Rovers while a dodgy takeover takes place involving a Jewish agent and Rothschilds no less!! When the Rovers Trust makes a complaint they have to go to the Premier League which is run by a Jew and the FA that is run by a jew. Robert Coar's buddy at the FA David Dein (another jew) is an old colleague of the agent that cannot be named (but is a jew) and David Dein's son (who is also a jew) was on the books at Kentaro and we have the agent who cannot be named's son (another jew) on the books at Rovers....who just happen to be heading the way of Portsmouth (who were run by more jews - one cleared in court!! hmm wonder how that happened??) but of course everything is above board and it is the jews that are being persecuted!!diamonds2india wrote: I am completely none-religious in any way shape of form, but I found this to be a particularly interesting read...especially the bit about Sport. . http://www.biblebeli evers.org.au/ij_ch12 .htm . For the sake of Jack Walker's legacy (on a personal note) and for the wider footballing world, corruption needs to be eradicated before the game becomes another banking crisis.Just had a quick scan of that particular site. Not the most balanced opinions you'll ever see. I appreciate you are not a religious person and hope you can see through the motives of people like this. Any opinions or beliefs based an a book of unsubstantiated ramblings by supposed knowledgeable men (note: no women) carefully edited by similarly supposed knowledgeable men (note: no women again) can't be healthy. I would recommend anyone to steer well clear.
diamonds2india
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12:45pm Wed 28 Nov 12
diamonds2india wrote:....and now comments are being removed because we have to keep it quiet and allow Blackburn Rovers Football Club to be consumed by the self serving greedy lot who are really in charge of the club!! Just like Leeds, Rangers and Pompey before. Shame on them and shame on the LET for supporting it. RIP Jack Walker....RIP Peter White....RIP Bill Fox.....RIP BRFC
diamonds2india wrote:I want to make it perfectly clear that I am not anti-semitic or racist in any way. But I will not tolerate corruption or self serving networks of any kind...be that jewish, freemasons or whatever!! The country is in a financial mess as a result of such behaviour from self serving greedy individuals who care for nobody else but themselves.whappen wrote:I suppose the banking crisis never happened in your imaginary world....and who runs the banks?? Who runs the country?? ...certainly not the politicians!! They just do as they are told. Tony Blair (who it is reported is descended from Jews) surrounded himself with Jewish people including Levy and Peter Mandelson (remember Mandy on the boat with Gaddafi junior). Now Blair has a cushy job in the middle east looking after Israel!! Then there's Jack Straw on the books at Rovers while a dodgy takeover takes place involving a Jewish agent and Rothschilds no less!! When the Rovers Trust makes a complaint they have to go to the Premier League which is run by a Jew and the FA that is run by a jew. Robert Coar's buddy at the FA David Dein (another jew) is an old colleague of the agent that cannot be named (but is a jew) and David Dein's son (who is also a jew) was on the books at Kentaro and we have the agent who cannot be named's son (another jew) on the books at Rovers....who just happen to be heading the way of Portsmouth (who were run by more jews - one cleared in court!! hmm wonder how that happened??) but of course everything is above board and it is the jews that are being persecuted!!diamonds2india wrote: I am completely none-religious in any way shape of form, but I found this to be a particularly interesting read...especially the bit about Sport. . http://www.biblebeli evers.org.au/ij_ch12 .htm . For the sake of Jack Walker's legacy (on a personal note) and for the wider footballing world, corruption needs to be eradicated before the game becomes another banking crisis.Just had a quick scan of that particular site. Not the most balanced opinions you'll ever see. I appreciate you are not a religious person and hope you can see through the motives of people like this. Any opinions or beliefs based an a book of unsubstantiated ramblings by supposed knowledgeable men (note: no women) carefully edited by similarly supposed knowledgeable men (note: no women again) can't be healthy. I would recommend anyone to steer well clear.
diamonds2india
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2:11pm Wed 28 Nov 12
diamonds2india wrote:....and apparently David Cameron (both he and his wife descend from wealthy jewish families) and other MP's are "pleading" with Lord Leveson to not silence the press....like he would do!!! That is the soundboard to control the masses!!!
...and now we've got the Leverson inquiry. Run by.....
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...and of course the MP's like to feed from the trough. Courtesy of joe public.
diamonds2india
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2:20pm Wed 28 Nov 12
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2:02am Thu 29 Nov 12
diamonds2india wrote:Nick Clegg calls it inspiring....I would rather call it frightening. No wonder the Queen said there were dark powers at work in this country.
....so we have David Cameron for the Tories....the Miliband Brothers for Labour...what about the Lib Dems? . Oh hang on: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=hxXuo9Fgx 50
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Even UKIP are on a Jewish agenda:
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Well at least we had Jeremy Paxman & Mark Thompson to act in our best interests for BBC's Newsnight Programme. They should have been positioned appropriately in order to sort it all out and make sure there was no corruption.....
makaveli96 says...
4:03pm Mon 26 Nov 12