Berg urges ace Rhodes to remain grounded (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Jordan Rhodes...a beacon of hope

Jorden Rhodes is just amazing, with 3 goals in the last game, shows more confident too.

Ruben is a good player, he need more ball control before he shoots. he can be a good playmaker and I compare with Eden Hazard of Chelsea now, so he will be comfortable playing midfeild and a striker role.

The bar has been set. It is now up to ALL the players to maintain and improve on the previous three performances. They are building a foundation for the future. Once the basics are mastered there is no reason why they can't go on and gain promotion.

Whilst we all applaud Rhodes and Rochina I'd like to acknowledge Pedersen's performance.........
okay so he didn't have a lot of time on the pitch but he looked good......like the Pedersen of a few seasons ago, ready to compete and win the ball. It looked to me as though he frightened the life out of the Peterborough defenders who couldn't cope with his pace and aggression.
COYB

brown cow warrior wrote:
Whilst we all applaud Rhodes and Rochina I'd like to acknowledge Pedersen's performance......... okay so he didn't have a lot of time on the pitch but he looked good......like the Pedersen of a few seasons ago, ready to compete and win the ball. It looked to me as though he frightened the life out of the Peterborough defenders who couldn't cope with his pace and aggression. COYB

I have no clue where where you get that assessment from?????

AshirMan wrote:

brown cow warrior wrote:
Whilst we all applaud Rhodes and Rochina I'd like to acknowledge Pedersen's performance......... okay so he didn't have a lot of time on the pitch but he looked good......like the Pedersen of a few seasons ago, ready to compete and win the ball. It looked to me as though he frightened the life out of the Peterborough defenders who couldn't cope with his pace and aggression. COYB

I have no clue where where you get that assessment from?????

I watched it happen.

Lets not get carried away -' everyone and his dog' have beaten Peterborough, but its a move in the right direction - the next three games will tell us if improvements have been made the Burnley match being the big one! If we had only been winning one nil then the sloppy goal given away towards the end of the game would have bean a killer - we cannot afford to give away goals/loose concentration in the last quarter, but as I said a small step forward.
OUT WITH SHAW AGNEW SINGH BLACK HENDRY

agree let not get carry still early days,but great win for us and the manager.Rhodes is outstanding should i say anymore more.

Dukes wrote:
agree let not get carry still early days,but great win for us and the manager.Rhodes is outstanding should i say anymore more.

Let's get carried away. We deserve it after two years of the odious one. Let us enjoy the moment. I am sure we wiull have some indifferent games before te end of the seaon but now is the time to saviour the delights of a great win, whoever the opposition.

We actually have a very good bench now...with some excellent players to come on if needed. Gomes, Pederson, Nunes, Dunn, Lowe, Richards and Best too hopefully very soon! Plus other fringe players.....All know that they will have to offer something extra to break into this improving side now. Be interesting to see who comes in and who goes out in the Jan window. We do have too many senior professionals (39?) for a club our size, but I am sure that Berg is taking stock now and will know who he wants.

brown cow warrior wrote:

AshirMan wrote:

brown cow warrior wrote: Whilst we all applaud Rhodes and Rochina I'd like to acknowledge Pedersen's performance......... okay so he didn't have a lot of time on the pitch but he looked good......like the Pedersen of a few seasons ago, ready to compete and win the ball. It looked to me as though he frightened the life out of the Peterborough defenders who couldn't cope with his pace and aggression. COYB

I have no clue where where you get that assessment from?????

I watched it happen.

I never thought I would ever see the words pace and aggression used to describe P edersen but then again everybody is improving under Berg.

French Rover wrote:
We actually have a very good bench now...with some excellent players to come on if needed. Gomes, Pederson, Nunes, Dunn, Lowe, Richards and Best too hopefully very soon! Plus other fringe players.....All know that they will have to offer something extra to break into this improving side now. Be interesting to see who comes in and who goes out in the Jan window. We do have too many senior professionals (39?) for a club our size, but I am sure that Berg is taking stock now and will know who he wants.

Agreed, you will also see that when a team is playing with some confidence its amazing how quickly they recover from injury !

any player to add from the loan market ??????

greenscreener wrote:

French Rover wrote:
We actually have a very good bench now...with some excellent players to come on if needed. Gomes, Pederson, Nunes, Dunn, Lowe, Richards and Best too hopefully very soon! Plus other fringe players.....All know that they will have to offer something extra to break into this improving side now. Be interesting to see who comes in and who goes out in the Jan window. We do have too many senior professionals (39?) for a club our size, but I am sure that Berg is taking stock now and will know who he wants.

Agreed, you will also see that when a team is playing with some confidence its amazing how quickly they recover from injury !

Competition for places rather than the teachers pet playing !

Watching performances thus far under Berg(Palace apart because that was in no way Bergs team) have markedly improved, and we all know with improvements to come.

Just not having to endure the mickey mouse set up of the odious one along with his constant flimflam is heaven, and again we can look forward to a proper manager returning competitive football down at the good ship Ewood.

I mean hell even Hendry could very well now make a difference under Berg, and actually shore up the defence !!!

Confidence ? That old chestnut, well, it does appear to be rearing it's beautiful head these last few months.

Lift off..............

Swan emerging anyone ?

Arte et labore

RR:The swan took quite a battering but it is showing signs of improvement,It seems to have recovered it's belief and the will to live.
The treatment it gets from those in charge of its welfare is the secret to its full recovery.Early days yet but although it is not ready to soar it is flapping its wings like it believes that it can and will fly.

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:

greenscreener wrote:

French Rover wrote:
We actually have a very good bench now...with some excellent players to come on if needed. Gomes, Pederson, Nunes, Dunn, Lowe, Richards and Best too hopefully very soon! Plus other fringe players.....All know that they will have to offer something extra to break into this improving side now. Be interesting to see who comes in and who goes out in the Jan window. We do have too many senior professionals (39?) for a club our size, but I am sure that Berg is taking stock now and will know who he wants.

Agreed, you will also see that when a team is playing with some confidence its amazing how quickly they recover from injury !

Competition for places rather than the teachers pet playing !

Watching performances thus far under Berg(Palace apart because that was in no way Bergs team) have markedly improved, and we all know with improvements to come.

Just not having to endure the mickey mouse set up of the odious one along with his constant flimflam is heaven, and again we can look forward to a proper manager returning competitive football down at the good ship Ewood.

I mean hell even Hendry could very well now make a difference under Berg, and actually shore up the defence !!!

Confidence ? That old chestnut, well, it does appear to be rearing it's beautiful head these last few months.

Lift off..............

Swan emerging anyone ?

Arte et labore

We really need to carry the momentum through the next 3 games, at least 7 points would make things a little more swan-like.

French Rover wrote:
We actually have a very good bench now...with some excellent players to come on if needed. Gomes, Pederson, Nunes, Dunn, Lowe, Richards and Best too hopefully very soon! Plus other fringe players.....All know that they will have to offer something extra to break into this improving side now. Be interesting to see who comes in and who goes out in the Jan window. We do have too many senior professionals (39?) for a club our size, but I am sure that Berg is taking stock now and will know who he wants.

Agreed that he knows what he wants. I personally always prefer a team to be managed by a former centre half, the "spine" of any good team. It is inevitable that such a manager will inculcate the qualities of organisation, graft and discipline, the building blocks of any effective outfit.

AshirMan wrote:

brown cow warrior wrote:
Whilst we all applaud Rhodes and Rochina I'd like to acknowledge Pedersen's performance......... okay so he didn't have a lot of time on the pitch but he looked good......like the Pedersen of a few seasons ago, ready to compete and win the ball. It looked to me as though he frightened the life out of the Peterborough defenders who couldn't cope with his pace and aggression. COYB

I have no clue where where you get that assessment from?????

I have no clue how you could fail to see what the original poster saw...?

Bazzer wrote:

French Rover wrote:
We actually have a very good bench now...with some excellent players to come on if needed. Gomes, Pederson, Nunes, Dunn, Lowe, Richards and Best too hopefully very soon! Plus other fringe players.....All know that they will have to offer something extra to break into this improving side now. Be interesting to see who comes in and who goes out in the Jan window. We do have too many senior professionals (39?) for a club our size, but I am sure that Berg is taking stock now and will know who he wants.

Agreed that he knows what he wants. I personally always prefer a team to be managed by a former centre half, the "spine" of any good team. It is inevitable that such a manager will inculcate the qualities of organisation, graft and discipline, the building blocks of any effective outfit.

I agree with the principal of having a solid spine and building the team around that - but cant think of many CH''s that became successful managers?
In fact I can only think of two center halves that became managers - Colin Hendry and BFS.....not the best of examples eh though I am sure there must be many others?

It was only peterborough yes...but i was more pleased though by the manner of the victory and not the opposition look at their results it was back in september against wolves they lost by more than 1 goal they have also beat some good teams along the way the championship throws up these fixtures i for one before the match thought it would be tough the early goal helpled alot but after that i thought our counter attacking football was a joy to watch and how clinical is rhodes the boy can finish great saturday evening for all rovers fans lets keep the run going a very tough home game against an in-form millwall next week they are unbeaten in 9 but with new found confidence new atmosphere at ewood i for one again am confident of 3 points

After seeing the performances over the last three games I feel confident that we can hold our own against any team in the division. Not a feeling I have had for years. We now have an experienced manager, a very capable assistant in Eric Black. Now he is not shackled by the odious one, and a group of players well capable of progressing further.

At last we can see some good technical application, nouse and tactics with a common sense approach. It's a long time since I could say that coupled with a manager who has the club at heart. Think its time to get my half term season ticket now.

Well,well,well! Everybody seems happy on here and things are definitely looking up. For the first time I can even understand what Matthew CA has to say. Keep it up, pal, you're getting there!,

French Rover wrote:

Bazzer wrote:

French Rover wrote:
We actually have a very good bench now...with some excellent players to come on if needed. Gomes, Pederson, Nunes, Dunn, Lowe, Richards and Best too hopefully very soon! Plus other fringe players.....All know that they will have to offer something extra to break into this improving side now. Be interesting to see who comes in and who goes out in the Jan window. We do have too many senior professionals (39?) for a club our size, but I am sure that Berg is taking stock now and will know who he wants.

Agreed that he knows what he wants. I personally always prefer a team to be managed by a former centre half, the "spine" of any good team. It is inevitable that such a manager will inculcate the qualities of organisation, graft and discipline, the building blocks of any effective outfit.

I agree with the principal of having a solid spine and building the team around that - but cant think of many CH''s that became successful managers?
In fact I can only think of two center halves that became managers - Colin Hendry and BFS.....not the best of examples eh though I am sure there must be many others?

So Steve Bruce, Mick McCarthy and Gareth Southgate probably don't help the case much but the great Franz Beckenbauer did o.k. for Germany and Bayern Munich.

greenscreener wrote:

French Rover wrote:

Bazzer wrote:

French Rover wrote: We actually have a very good bench now...with some excellent players to come on if needed. Gomes, Pederson, Nunes, Dunn, Lowe, Richards and Best too hopefully very soon! Plus other fringe players.....All know that they will have to offer something extra to break into this improving side now. Be interesting to see who comes in and who goes out in the Jan window. We do have too many senior professionals (39?) for a club our size, but I am sure that Berg is taking stock now and will know who he wants.

Agreed that he knows what he wants. I personally always prefer a team to be managed by a former centre half, the "spine" of any good team. It is inevitable that such a manager will inculcate the qualities of organisation, graft and discipline, the building blocks of any effective outfit.

I agree with the principal of having a solid spine and building the team around that - but cant think of many CH''s that became successful managers? In fact I can only think of two center halves that became managers - Colin Hendry and BFS.....not the best of examples eh though I am sure there must be many others?

So Steve Bruce, Mick McCarthy and Gareth Southgate probably don't help the case much but the great Franz Beckenbauer did o.k. for Germany and Bayern Munich.

In the Championsip alone we also have Tony Mowbray and Keith Hill to name only two.

Bazzer wrote:

greenscreener wrote:

French Rover wrote:

Bazzer wrote:

French Rover wrote: We actually have a very good bench now...with some excellent players to come on if needed. Gomes, Pederson, Nunes, Dunn, Lowe, Richards and Best too hopefully very soon! Plus other fringe players.....All know that they will have to offer something extra to break into this improving side now. Be interesting to see who comes in and who goes out in the Jan window. We do have too many senior professionals (39?) for a club our size, but I am sure that Berg is taking stock now and will know who he wants.

Agreed that he knows what he wants. I personally always prefer a team to be managed by a former centre half, the "spine" of any good team. It is inevitable that such a manager will inculcate the qualities of organisation, graft and discipline, the building blocks of any effective outfit.

I agree with the principal of having a solid spine and building the team around that - but cant think of many CH''s that became successful managers? In fact I can only think of two center halves that became managers - Colin Hendry and BFS.....not the best of examples eh though I am sure there must be many others?

So Steve Bruce, Mick McCarthy and Gareth Southgate probably don't help the case much but the great Franz Beckenbauer did o.k. for Germany and Bayern Munich.

In the Championsip alone we also have Tony Mowbray and Keith Hill to name only two.

Well spotted, better not forget Alex McLeish, remember him, he's the guy that Reg of the Rovers told us was going to be our next manager for sure.

Not been any dingles around for a while, there must be a Readers Sister feature on ClaretsMad.

Bazzer wrote:

greenscreener wrote:

French Rover wrote:

Bazzer wrote:

French Rover wrote: We actually have a very good bench now...with some excellent players to come on if needed. Gomes, Pederson, Nunes, Dunn, Lowe, Richards and Best too hopefully very soon! Plus other fringe players.....All know that they will have to offer something extra to break into this improving side now. Be interesting to see who comes in and who goes out in the Jan window. We do have too many senior professionals (39?) for a club our size, but I am sure that Berg is taking stock now and will know who he wants.

Agreed that he knows what he wants. I personally always prefer a team to be managed by a former centre half, the "spine" of any good team. It is inevitable that such a manager will inculcate the qualities of organisation, graft and discipline, the building blocks of any effective outfit.

I agree with the principal of having a solid spine and building the team around that - but cant think of many CH''s that became successful managers? In fact I can only think of two center halves that became managers - Colin Hendry and BFS.....not the best of examples eh though I am sure there must be many others?

So Steve Bruce, Mick McCarthy and Gareth Southgate probably don't help the case much but the great Franz Beckenbauer did o.k. for Germany and Bayern Munich.

In the Championsip alone we also have Tony Mowbray and Keith Hill to name only two.

5 names but none really successful though are they...?
I was going through a list of the likes of Fergie, Busby, Dalglish, Wenger, Shankly, Revie, Robson, Paisley, Guardiola, Mourinhio, Cloughie, Zagallo, Van Gaal, Cruyff, Hiddink, Capello, Lippi, Hitzfeld, and many more top class managers over the years and the only manager who played as a CH that I could come up with was Jock Stein. Great example - but in a definite and distinct minority. Most of the greats were actually forwards, so maybe there is hope for Alan Shearer yet! Also hope that BERG goes on to join the all time greats list as Rovers manager of course.

French Rover wrote:

Bazzer wrote:

greenscreener wrote:

French Rover wrote:

Bazzer wrote:

French Rover wrote: We actually have a very good bench now...with some excellent players to come on if needed. Gomes, Pederson, Nunes, Dunn, Lowe, Richards and Best too hopefully very soon! Plus other fringe players.....All know that they will have to offer something extra to break into this improving side now. Be interesting to see who comes in and who goes out in the Jan window. We do have too many senior professionals (39?) for a club our size, but I am sure that Berg is taking stock now and will know who he wants.

Agreed that he knows what he wants. I personally always prefer a team to be managed by a former centre half, the "spine" of any good team. It is inevitable that such a manager will inculcate the qualities of organisation, graft and discipline, the building blocks of any effective outfit.

I agree with the principal of having a solid spine and building the team around that - but cant think of many CH''s that became successful managers? In fact I can only think of two center halves that became managers - Colin Hendry and BFS.....not the best of examples eh though I am sure there must be many others?

So Steve Bruce, Mick McCarthy and Gareth Southgate probably don't help the case much but the great Franz Beckenbauer did o.k. for Germany and Bayern Munich.

In the Championsip alone we also have Tony Mowbray and Keith Hill to name only two.

5 names but none really successful though are they...?
I was going through a list of the likes of Fergie, Busby, Dalglish, Wenger, Shankly, Revie, Robson, Paisley, Guardiola, Mourinhio, Cloughie, Zagallo, Van Gaal, Cruyff, Hiddink, Capello, Lippi, Hitzfeld, and many more top class managers over the years and the only manager who played as a CH that I could come up with was Jock Stein. Great example - but in a definite and distinct minority. Most of the greats were actually forwards, so maybe there is hope for Alan Shearer yet! Also hope that BERG goes on to join the all time greats list as Rovers manager of course.

Forgot the Kaiser who you mentioned B.....yes he was a world class Center half and manager!

The team are playing to a plan - hence unchanged team and one can see a system there for the first time in a long time - winning definitely helps so keep it going HB. He talks sense and talks the truth no glossing over the problems which is what we have not seen for a long while -

I also trust him to improve the side once the transfer window comes open so roll on the good times

It just makes such a change to have a manager that sees the same game as the fans. Tells it like it is and praises the players without going overboard.

Great result and counter-attacking football on sat.
First time for ages I've actually enjoyed a rovers match and the missus noted my joy afterwards.
I thought we'd have more trouble against posh but one thing I noticed was our lack of mobility in the middle of the park.
When murphy and etuhu lost the ball I never once noticed them busting a gut to get it back. They were so slow and off the pace it was embarrassing.
Against a better team we could of easily gone unstuck.
It proves we cannot play them together but could use murphy as the holding midfielder for about 60 mins until his legs have gone then depending on the state of play dictates who comes on next.
I don't like posting a negative when I so enjoyed the result but its something that needs addressing rapido.

Rochina has such quality it's untrue. Yes he messed up for their goal and picked the wrong option at times but he'll learn the more he plays. We are so much more of a threat with him and he's capable of that moment of genius so we can't stop him playing his natural game.

It was magical seeing us have genuine pace at times on the counter, we have sorely missed that.
Henley at RB will get better and better as long as murphy keeps off his back and only shouts constructive criticism.

Rhodes, need I say more. We've all said give him service and help and will score.
Finishing looks effortless for him, his timing and movement gives him those tap ins and to heat him speak do modestly is a credit to him.

Lets keep the momentum going and find our best form for sticking 5 past them dingle bar stewards.

COYB.

What an absolute gem of player Jordan Rhodes,his vision and running off the ball his intelligent positioning at set plays and of course the skill money cannot buy of putting the ball in the net,he reminds me so very much of a young Allan Shearer and you cannot get better comparisons than that, but in addition to all his attributes it is his very down to earth demeanor,the way he conducted himself in the post match interview showed what a humble manner he has,his parents and all connected with his upbringing must be very proud, a delight to see in this era of flash cars,houses etc.No need to worry Henning, this guy will stay grounded he has been brought up the proper way!

French Rover wrote:

French Rover wrote:

Bazzer wrote:

greenscreener wrote:

French Rover wrote:

Bazzer wrote:

French Rover wrote: We actually have a very good bench now...with some excellent players to come on if needed. Gomes, Pederson, Nunes, Dunn, Lowe, Richards and Best too hopefully very soon! Plus other fringe players.....All know that they will have to offer something extra to break into this improving side now. Be interesting to see who comes in and who goes out in the Jan window. We do have too many senior professionals (39?) for a club our size, but I am sure that Berg is taking stock now and will know who he wants.

Agreed that he knows what he wants. I personally always prefer a team to be managed by a former centre half, the "spine" of any good team. It is inevitable that such a manager will inculcate the qualities of organisation, graft and discipline, the building blocks of any effective outfit.

I agree with the principal of having a solid spine and building the team around that - but cant think of many CH''s that became successful managers? In fact I can only think of two center halves that became managers - Colin Hendry and BFS.....not the best of examples eh though I am sure there must be many others?

So Steve Bruce, Mick McCarthy and Gareth Southgate probably don't help the case much but the great Franz Beckenbauer did o.k. for Germany and Bayern Munich.

In the Championsip alone we also have Tony Mowbray and Keith Hill to name only two.

5 names but none really successful though are they...? I was going through a list of the likes of Fergie, Busby, Dalglish, Wenger, Shankly, Revie, Robson, Paisley, Guardiola, Mourinhio, Cloughie, Zagallo, Van Gaal, Cruyff, Hiddink, Capello, Lippi, Hitzfeld, and many more top class managers over the years and the only manager who played as a CH that I could come up with was Jock Stein. Great example - but in a definite and distinct minority. Most of the greats were actually forwards, so maybe there is hope for Alan Shearer yet! Also hope that BERG goes on to join the all time greats list as Rovers manager of course.

Forgot the Kaiser who you mentioned B.....yes he was a world class Center half and manager!

I have a feeling Frenchie, that you and I could discuss football till the cows come home. And hopefully without antagonism! I cannot help thinking that nearly all of the managers you have trotted out were all blessed with millions of pounds to spend or had the springboard of a big club behind them to ease their plight. The Rovers fall into neither camp since the Walker millions were lost. I can be hooted at for my apparent love of "hoofball" but the odds are always that percentage football survives in a game cursed by excess money. Our generation saw the winning of the World Cup by a utilitarian team assembled by Alf Ramsey in which individual flair was sacrificed on the altar of percentages. Anyway, cheers!

Bazzer wrote:

French Rover wrote:

French Rover wrote:

Bazzer wrote:

greenscreener wrote:

French Rover wrote:

Bazzer wrote:

French Rover wrote: We actually have a very good bench now...with some excellent players to come on if needed. Gomes, Pederson, Nunes, Dunn, Lowe, Richards and Best too hopefully very soon! Plus other fringe players.....All know that they will have to offer something extra to break into this improving side now. Be interesting to see who comes in and who goes out in the Jan window. We do have too many senior professionals (39?) for a club our size, but I am sure that Berg is taking stock now and will know who he wants.

Agreed that he knows what he wants. I personally always prefer a team to be managed by a former centre half, the "spine" of any good team. It is inevitable that such a manager will inculcate the qualities of organisation, graft and discipline, the building blocks of any effective outfit.

I agree with the principal of having a solid spine and building the team around that - but cant think of many CH''s that became successful managers? In fact I can only think of two center halves that became managers - Colin Hendry and BFS.....not the best of examples eh though I am sure there must be many others?

So Steve Bruce, Mick McCarthy and Gareth Southgate probably don't help the case much but the great Franz Beckenbauer did o.k. for Germany and Bayern Munich.

In the Championsip alone we also have Tony Mowbray and Keith Hill to name only two.

5 names but none really successful though are they...? I was going through a list of the likes of Fergie, Busby, Dalglish, Wenger, Shankly, Revie, Robson, Paisley, Guardiola, Mourinhio, Cloughie, Zagallo, Van Gaal, Cruyff, Hiddink, Capello, Lippi, Hitzfeld, and many more top class managers over the years and the only manager who played as a CH that I could come up with was Jock Stein. Great example - but in a definite and distinct minority. Most of the greats were actually forwards, so maybe there is hope for Alan Shearer yet! Also hope that BERG goes on to join the all time greats list as Rovers manager of course.

Forgot the Kaiser who you mentioned B.....yes he was a world class Center half and manager!

I have a feeling Frenchie, that you and I could discuss football till the cows come home. And hopefully without antagonism! I cannot help thinking that nearly all of the managers you have trotted out were all blessed with millions of pounds to spend or had the springboard of a big club behind them to ease their plight. The Rovers fall into neither camp since the Walker millions were lost. I can be hooted at for my apparent love of "hoofball" but the odds are always that percentage football survives in a game cursed by excess money. Our generation saw the winning of the World Cup by a utilitarian team assembled by Alf Ramsey in which individual flair was sacrificed on the altar of percentages. Anyway, cheers!

With the notable exception of the great Brian Clough! But how he squeezed the opposition out onto the wings so that they would pump balls into the brick walls that were Burns, Needham, Chapman and others I am too inebriated to think of their names! Centre halves, you see! Good night.

French Rover wrote:

French Rover wrote:

Bazzer wrote:

greenscreener wrote:

French Rover wrote:

Bazzer wrote:

French Rover wrote: We actually have a very good bench now...with some excellent players to come on if needed. Gomes, Pederson, Nunes, Dunn, Lowe, Richards and Best too hopefully very soon! Plus other fringe players.....All know that they will have to offer something extra to break into this improving side now. Be interesting to see who comes in and who goes out in the Jan window. We do have too many senior professionals (39?) for a club our size, but I am sure that Berg is taking stock now and will know who he wants.

Agreed that he knows what he wants. I personally always prefer a team to be managed by a former centre half, the "spine" of any good team. It is inevitable that such a manager will inculcate the qualities of organisation, graft and discipline, the building blocks of any effective outfit.

I agree with the principal of having a solid spine and building the team around that - but cant think of many CH''s that became successful managers? In fact I can only think of two center halves that became managers - Colin Hendry and BFS.....not the best of examples eh though I am sure there must be many others?

So Steve Bruce, Mick McCarthy and Gareth Southgate probably don't help the case much but the great Franz Beckenbauer did o.k. for Germany and Bayern Munich.

In the Championsip alone we also have Tony Mowbray and Keith Hill to name only two.

5 names but none really successful though are they...?
I was going through a list of the likes of Fergie, Busby, Dalglish, Wenger, Shankly, Revie, Robson, Paisley, Guardiola, Mourinhio, Cloughie, Zagallo, Van Gaal, Cruyff, Hiddink, Capello, Lippi, Hitzfeld, and many more top class managers over the years and the only manager who played as a CH that I could come up with was Jock Stein. Great example - but in a definite and distinct minority. Most of the greats were actually forwards, so maybe there is hope for Alan Shearer yet! Also hope that BERG goes on to join the all time greats list as Rovers manager of course.

Forgot the Kaiser who you mentioned B.....yes he was a world class Center half and manager!

What about Tony Adams .......lol

pepperpot2296 wrote:
What an absolute gem of player Jordan Rhodes,his vision and running off the ball his intelligent positioning at set plays and of course the skill money cannot buy of putting the ball in the net,he reminds me so very much of a young Allan Shearer and you cannot get better comparisons than that, but in addition to all his attributes it is his very down to earth demeanor,the way he conducted himself in the post match interview showed what a humble manner he has,his parents and all connected with his upbringing must be very proud, a delight to see in this era of flash cars,houses etc.No need to worry Henning, this guy will stay grounded he has been brought up the proper way!

Interesting that you compare Rhodes to Shearer, my first reaction was he's very similar to Mike (will we ever see another rovers player get a hat-trick in Europe ?) Newall, relying a bit more on finess than strength.

If you want to get a football debate going on here I'll throw in a couple more, Ruben Rochina can be the new Matt Jansen and Adam Hanley plays a lot like Ian Pearce.

Personally although I loved watching Matt I think Rochino has a tad more skill on the ball but is behind Matt in the forward thinking department. I will never forget his goal at Deepdale.

greenscreener wrote:

pepperpot2296 wrote:
What an absolute gem of player Jordan Rhodes,his vision and running off the ball his intelligent positioning at set plays and of course the skill money cannot buy of putting the ball in the net,he reminds me so very much of a young Allan Shearer and you cannot get better comparisons than that, but in addition to all his attributes it is his very down to earth demeanor,the way he conducted himself in the post match interview showed what a humble manner he has,his parents and all connected with his upbringing must be very proud, a delight to see in this era of flash cars,houses etc.No need to worry Henning, this guy will stay grounded he has been brought up the proper way!

Interesting that you compare Rhodes to Shearer, my first reaction was he's very similar to Mike (will we ever see another rovers player get a hat-trick in Europe ?) Newall, relying a bit more on finess than strength.

If you want to get a football debate going on here I'll throw in a couple more, Ruben Rochina can be the new Matt Jansen and Adam Hanley plays a lot like Ian Pearce.

interesting comparisons greenscreener.....I said last season that Rochina reminded me of a modern day Duncan McKenzie and I still see the resemblance there. Bags of skill, full of magic but not always applied right.

But Jansen is a fair compare also, not sure he had the same skills as Rochina? Though he was very quick and tricky. They all are/were quick thinkers with quick feet.

I think Cristian Ronaldo would be the best example of a top player with these attributes currently. Rochina is not at the level yet - but you never know what the lad is capable of if he plays at a higher level. (Hopefully with us),

Rochina has excellent skills but is so one-footed, it detracts from his efforts. Apologies for a negative post but my pet-hate is the number of modern day players who cannot or will not use both feet. It's not like they don't have time to practice those skills.
Messi can do it.

Fair comments on the Rochina/Jansen, maybe my blue tinted specs, and memories of a crowd pleaser who never got to really develop, got the better of me.

I'd go with Rochina/Mckenzie but i think Ruben works harder at his game, much as I enjoyed watching Dunc I always got the feeling life was a bit too easy for him, ( a la Matt LeTissier)

greenscreener wrote:
Fair comments on the Rochina/Jansen, maybe my blue tinted specs, and memories of a crowd pleaser who never got to really develop, got the better of me.

I'd go with Rochina/Mckenzie but i think Ruben works harder at his game, much as I enjoyed watching Dunc I always got the feeling life was a bit too easy for him, ( a la Matt LeTissier)

don't think its the specs...Jansen was superb, I know its been said a thousand times or more on here but it was so sad that he had the scooter accident and missed out on what would have been a really top level football career at club and England international level. Would still like to think that we may see him as part of the staff at Ewood sometime soon? Now that would be a great move by Henning!

greenscreener wrote:
Fair comments on the Rochina/Jansen, maybe my blue tinted specs, and memories of a crowd pleaser who never got to really develop, got the better of me.

I'd go with Rochina/Mckenzie but i think Ruben works harder at his game, much as I enjoyed watching Dunc I always got the feeling life was a bit too easy for him, ( a la Matt LeTissier)

Not sure that Rochina can jump minis like Duncan did for fun....or throw golf balls from one end of the ground into the other goals.... :-) So talented these footballers of old...

the link to a 'still' of one of his mini-jumps:

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French Rover wrote:

greenscreener wrote:
Fair comments on the Rochina/Jansen, maybe my blue tinted specs, and memories of a crowd pleaser who never got to really develop, got the better of me.

I'd go with Rochina/Mckenzie but i think Ruben works harder at his game, much as I enjoyed watching Dunc I always got the feeling life was a bit too easy for him, ( a la Matt LeTissier)

Not sure that Rochina can jump minis like Duncan did for fun....or throw golf balls from one end of the ground into the other goals.... :-) So talented these footballers of old...

the link to a 'still' of one of his mini-jumps:

http://www.gettyimag

es.ie/detail/news-ph

oto/duncan-mckenzie-

of-leeds-united-jump

s-over-a-mini-as-par

t-news-photo/1065267

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I think I remember Simon Garner going over the bar in the Woodlands, but it was somewhat less graceful and won't be on Youtube.

What a great read for a change without grinding through our blues !!

Matt Jansen for the record is my whole time favorite player to adorn a B&W shirt. So graceful in play rising like a salmon to nod in another beauty....

As French Rover points out so poignantly a sad loss furthermore to his playing career. Chuffing tragic. But, I hang out with hope that Jansen can again become a figure down at Ewood in some coaching etc role ?

Closely followed by:

Mike Newell - superb.

Gordan Cowens - An absolute pleasure witnessing he down at Ewood under that revolution, and introducing nicely into the frame:

Kevin Moran - Away at Derby under those night floodlights at the owd Baseball ground. Stunning.

Thanks for the memory's boy's.

Arte et labore

AndyW wrote:

AshirMan wrote:

brown cow warrior wrote:
Whilst we all applaud Rhodes and Rochina I'd like to acknowledge Pedersen's performance......... okay so he didn't have a lot of time on the pitch but he looked good......like the Pedersen of a few seasons ago, ready to compete and win the ball. It looked to me as though he frightened the life out of the Peterborough defenders who couldn't cope with his pace and aggression. COYB

I have no clue where where you get that assessment from?????

I have no clue how you could fail to see what the original poster saw...?

I think it was through Jaegerbomb tinted spectacles!!

AshirMan wrote:

brown cow warrior wrote:
Whilst we all applaud Rhodes and Rochina I'd like to acknowledge Pedersen's performance......... okay so he didn't have a lot of time on the pitch but he looked good......like the Pedersen of a few seasons ago, ready to compete and win the ball. It looked to me as though he frightened the life out of the Peterborough defenders who couldn't cope with his pace and aggression. COYB

I have no clue where where you get that assessment from?????

I love Pedersen and you know what AshirMan I bet you cheer when he scores or provides good corners and crosses, two faced springs to mind!!!

pepperpot2296 wrote:
What an absolute gem of player Jordan Rhodes,his vision and running off the ball his intelligent positioning at set plays and of course the skill money cannot buy of putting the ball in the net,he reminds me so very much of a young Allan Shearer and you cannot get better comparisons than that, but in addition to all his attributes it is his very down to earth demeanor,the way he conducted himself in the post match interview showed what a humble manner he has,his parents and all connected with his upbringing must be very proud, a delight to see in this era of flash cars,houses etc.No need to worry Henning, this guy will stay grounded he has been brought up the proper way!

Couldnt agree more, what a humble young man he is, hope he stays with us for many years to come, cant wait for him to play along side Leon Best,
Let the good times roll......