Berg insists Rovers have to do better (From Lancashire Telegraph)

M.DANNY wrote:
Berg needs to sign two new strikers from the premiership on loans and two new midfieders from the premiership on loan and clear out some deadwoods Kean left us with.We need to try get out of this Championship league full of dingles and mash.Berg need our support he is 100% blue n white man.

trueblue72 wrote:

smellthecoffee wrote:

stick to football wrote:
Berg will know exaclty what he needs - trust him Whilst defeat is disappointing - he will have learnt more about the team today than if they had stumbled across the line with a win

...you really are taking the p1ss now aren't you....so we're better off for losing now are we??? T0sser!

I know what you are trying to say and agree with HB will of learnt a lot today.
It's sad and scary when players cannot get up for a game of football, especially a managers first game in charge.
It shows some of them do not give a stuff about the club or have any pride in the shirt on their back.
HB has a lot of hard work to do, getting rid of those who who do not give a **** and trying to get players in who will fight for the cause.

Even the purists and Berg doubters must admit that any manager would struggle with this lot. You can fluke a few results (which we have so far this season) but over time the true quality of the side would show through and we'd finish where we deserved.

If SS hadn't of opened his daft egotistical mouth then we'd all of accepted that promotion this season was not the be all and end all but a season in which we could truly mount a challenge next season.

Now, who knows what will happen after he stated promotion is the minimum expected.

He's the tosser.

gleechy wrote:
Well that's a refreshing change, a manager who sees what all others do. I've no doubt Mr Berg is here to make the team better, but can't help thinking he's on a hiding to nothing.

I get the feling that Shabby is making decisions and HB was so grateful for a job in management that he accepted this, and hoped he would gain their confidence.

If Shabby went out and bought cheap foreign imports for Kean, he'll do the same for HB. I really fear for this team. Confidence will not come from inexperience, and that is all we have.

We have a non football owner, a football talker, who says anything, and a potentially up and coming Manager, where is the inspiration coming from?

srvp28 wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

srvp28 wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

DanBlackburn wrote:
No sh+t Sherlock.

Shocking performance.

I hope Venkys have their cheque book ready for January.

History tells us that Venkeys won't splash the cash. Does anyone believe they have actually spent a penny of their own money ?

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't we equal our own club record transfer fee, and smash the record for a fee paid by club outside the top tier, when we signed Rhodes?

Yes we did srvp28, but I think it's obvious to all that the money came from the Hoilet / Samba sales, not to mention the parachute money. I think I am correct in thinking also that Venkeys only paid 4 mill deposit with the rest to be paid in installments.
I haven't done the sums, but I think income from player sales still outweighs the expenditure on far inferior players, hence the squad we have now.
I still think Venkeys are in pocket after promising us 5 mill each transfer window.

I'm not questioning where the money came from, I was referring to your comment about history telling us that Venky's won't splash the cash. We may have only paid £4M up front for Rhodes but we're still obligated to pay £8M, therefore a further £4M will have to be set aside. As for the transfer fees received outnumbering those paid out, there were debts that had to be cleared too.

Deadwoodchamps wrote:
The berg begins to sink just like the proverbial sack of sh1te!! Strange really when you think that turds actually float............... whooooooooooooo hoooooooooooo MK Dons 2 barstewards 1 ;-)

happiness wrote:

Deadwoodchamps wrote:
The berg begins to sink just like the proverbial sack of sh1te!! Strange really when you think that turds actually float............... whooooooooooooo hoooooooooooo MK Dons 2 barstewards 1 ;-)

34 years of Burnley fans showing more interest in Rovers fortunes than their own club....and counting!! Absolutely pathetic!.....Swindo

n 3 Inferiority complex sufferers 1...WoooooooooooooHo

ooooooooo!!!!!!!

Henning. What the hell are you doing? 7 points from 3 games and 2 clean sheets to the bargain. 3 unforced changes today....WHY??? 'We need to defend better'...We had started to show signs of having a settled and regular back 4. If it isn't broke etc....Very dissappointed. Still 100% behind you though.

happiness wrote:

Deadwoodchamps wrote:
The berg begins to sink just like the proverbial sack of sh1te!! Strange really when you think that turds actually float............... whooooooooooooo hoooooooooooo MK Dons 2 barstewards 1 ;-)

34 years of Burnley fans showing more interest in Rovers fortunes than their own club....and counting!! Absolutely pathetic!.....Swindo

n 3 Inferiority complex sufferers 1...WoooooooooooooHo

ooooooooo!!!!!!!

Henning. What the hell are you doing? 7 points from 3 games and 2 clean sheets to the bargain. 3 unforced changes today....WHY??? 'We need to defend better'...We had started to show signs of having a settled and regular back 4. If it isn't broke etc....Very dissappointed. Still 100% behind you though.

smellthecoffee wrote:

stick to football wrote:
Berg will know exaclty what he needs - trust him Whilst defeat is disappointing - he will have learnt more about the team today than if they had stumbled across the line with a win

...you really are taking the p1ss now aren't you....so we're better off for losing now are we??? T0sser!

noddymcleod wrote:
Palace are the form team in the Division and Berg has had a couple of days with a weak squad. Some of you dreamers on here have repeated the Kean line that we had a Premiership squad - not true. Too may journeymen, too many has-beens and a lot of never will be's.
Berg job wasn't helped by silly "honest" statements by the clueless management that Berg wasn't the first choice - everyone knows that, but what's the point of saying it ? Ever heard of confidence building, solidarity, loyalty ?
... and Shabby saying Promotion or else doesn't help a manager starting a three years contract.
There's a deep malaise at Rovers which has obviously got to the players, if Berg turns this round and keeps in with a shout for the playoffs, it will be a miracle.

Harwoodstblue wrote:

happiness wrote:

Deadwoodchamps wrote:
The berg begins to sink just like the proverbial sack of sh1te!! Strange really when you think that turds actually float............... whooooooooooooo hoooooooooooo MK Dons 2 barstewards 1 ;-)

34 years of Burnley fans showing more interest in Rovers fortunes than their own club....and counting!! Absolutely pathetic!.....Swindo


n 3 Inferiority complex sufferers 1...WoooooooooooooHo


ooooooooo!!!!!!!

Henning. What the hell are you doing? 7 points from 3 games and 2 clean sheets to the bargain. 3 unforced changes today....WHY??? 'We need to defend better'...We had started to show signs of having a settled and regular back 4. If it isn't broke etc....Very dissappointed. Still 100% behind you though.

Happiness, Givet was out injured and so was Lowe. He dropped Orr, no complaints there, but some changes were enforced.

gleechy wrote:
Well that's a refreshing change, a manager who sees what all others do. I've no doubt Mr Berg is here to make the team better, but can't help thinking he's on a hiding to nothing.

I get the feling that Shabby is making decisions and HB was so grateful for a job in management that he accepted this, and hoped he would gain their confidence.

If Shabby went out and bought cheap foreign imports for Kean, he'll do the same for HB. I really fear for this team. Confidence will not come from inexperience, and that is all we have.

We have a non football owner, a football talker, who says anything, and a potentially up and coming Manager, where is the inspiration coming from?

Stone Island: wrote:

srvp28 wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

DanBlackburn wrote:
No sh+t Sherlock.

Shocking performance.

I hope Venkys have their cheque book ready for January.

History tells us that Venkeys won't splash the cash. Does anyone believe they have actually spent a penny of their own money ?

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't we equal our own club record transfer fee, and smash the record for a fee paid by club outside the top tier, when we signed Rhodes?

I think he's implying that the money they've spent has been generated by outgoing transfers. And he has a point, to be fair.

Harwoodstblue wrote:

srvp28 wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

srvp28 wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

DanBlackburn wrote: No sh+t Sherlock. Shocking performance. I hope Venkys have their cheque book ready for January.

History tells us that Venkeys won't splash the cash. Does anyone believe they have actually spent a penny of their own money ?

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't we equal our own club record transfer fee, and smash the record for a fee paid by club outside the top tier, when we signed Rhodes?

Yes we did srvp28, but I think it's obvious to all that the money came from the Hoilet / Samba sales, not to mention the parachute money. I think I am correct in thinking also that Venkeys only paid 4 mill deposit with the rest to be paid in installments. I haven't done the sums, but I think income from player sales still outweighs the expenditure on far inferior players, hence the squad we have now. I still think Venkeys are in pocket after promising us 5 mill each transfer window.

I'm not questioning where the money came from, I was referring to your comment about history telling us that Venky's won't splash the cash. We may have only paid £4M up front for Rhodes but we're still obligated to pay £8M, therefore a further £4M will have to be set aside. As for the transfer fees received outnumbering those paid out, there were debts that had to be cleared too.

I don't doubt what you're saying svrp but didn't the fee received for Samba go towards paying off the debts. Remember, as we sold Samba after the transfer window closed no replacement could be brought in so the money went elsewhere.

srvp28 wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

srvp28 wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

srvp28 wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

DanBlackburn wrote: No sh+t Sherlock. Shocking performance. I hope Venkys have their cheque book ready for January.

History tells us that Venkeys won't splash the cash. Does anyone believe they have actually spent a penny of their own money ?

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't we equal our own club record transfer fee, and smash the record for a fee paid by club outside the top tier, when we signed Rhodes?

Yes we did srvp28, but I think it's obvious to all that the money came from the Hoilet / Samba sales, not to mention the parachute money. I think I am correct in thinking also that Venkeys only paid 4 mill deposit with the rest to be paid in installments. I haven't done the sums, but I think income from player sales still outweighs the expenditure on far inferior players, hence the squad we have now. I still think Venkeys are in pocket after promising us 5 mill each transfer window.

I'm not questioning where the money came from, I was referring to your comment about history telling us that Venky's won't splash the cash. We may have only paid £4M up front for Rhodes but we're still obligated to pay £8M, therefore a further £4M will have to be set aside. As for the transfer fees received outnumbering those paid out, there were debts that had to be cleared too.

I don't doubt what you're saying svrp but didn't the fee received for Samba go towards paying off the debts. Remember, as we sold Samba after the transfer window closed no replacement could be brought in so the money went elsewhere.

I don't know all the ins-and-outs regarding figures so I don't know what's been used for what exactly. That said, we've still got running costs and excessive wages to pay so not every penny we get can be allocated to our transfer kitty. I know they said they'd spend £5M per window but they also said we'd be challenging for a Champions League spot. They were mislead something rotten and therefore have made numerous mistakes. Unfortunately they're too proud to admit they've made a huge error getting involved with something they know absolutely nothing about so, as a result, won't be selling up anytime soon.

happiness wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

happiness wrote:

Deadwoodchamps wrote:
The berg begins to sink just like the proverbial sack of sh1te!! Strange really when you think that turds actually float............... whooooooooooooo hoooooooooooo MK Dons 2 barstewards 1 ;-)

34 years of Burnley fans showing more interest in Rovers fortunes than their own club....and counting!! Absolutely pathetic!.....Swindo



n 3 Inferiority complex sufferers 1...WoooooooooooooHo



ooooooooo!!!!!!!

Henning. What the hell are you doing? 7 points from 3 games and 2 clean sheets to the bargain. 3 unforced changes today....WHY??? 'We need to defend better'...We had started to show signs of having a settled and regular back 4. If it isn't broke etc....Very dissappointed. Still 100% behind you though.

Happiness, Givet was out injured and so was Lowe. He dropped Orr, no complaints there, but some changes were enforced.

Oops!! Didn't realise Givet was also injured as well as Lowe which I knew about. 2 unforced changes it is then. Didn't think Orr did too bad against Watford though. We do need a settled side though. I still think the lukewarm reaction to Henning's appointment will turn into a really good welcome at the Birmingham game. Helped us win the championship. Helped us get promoted. Helped us win the League cup, Imagine if he got us promoted as manager too?

bring back the good old days wrote:

gleechy wrote:
Well that's a refreshing change, a manager who sees what all others do. I've no doubt Mr Berg is here to make the team better, but can't help thinking he's on a hiding to nothing.

I get the feling that Shabby is making decisions and HB was so grateful for a job in management that he accepted this, and hoped he would gain their confidence.

If Shabby went out and bought cheap foreign imports for Kean, he'll do the same for HB. I really fear for this team. Confidence will not come from inexperience, and that is all we have.

We have a non football owner, a football talker, who says anything, and a potentially up and coming Manager, where is the inspiration coming from?

A potentialy up and coming manager?

I for one need you to explain that to me. And why do you claim he cannot inspire, he's only been here two minutes.

Lets put it this way, you are a Palace supporter, having watched their performances and then BRFC in turmoil turn up at your place - what would you expect of your team - honestly?
I would be looking for a 3 or 4 goal return.

gleechy wrote:

bring back the good old days wrote:

gleechy wrote:
Well that's a refreshing change, a manager who sees what all others do. I've no doubt Mr Berg is here to make the team better, but can't help thinking he's on a hiding to nothing.

I get the feling that Shabby is making decisions and HB was so grateful for a job in management that he accepted this, and hoped he would gain their confidence.

If Shabby went out and bought cheap foreign imports for Kean, he'll do the same for HB. I really fear for this team. Confidence will not come from inexperience, and that is all we have.

We have a non football owner, a football talker, who says anything, and a potentially up and coming Manager, where is the inspiration coming from?

A potentialy up and coming manager?

I for one need you to explain that to me. And why do you claim he cannot inspire, he's only been here two minutes.

Lets put it this way, you are a Palace supporter, having watched their performances and then BRFC in turmoil turn up at your place - what would you expect of your team - honestly?
I would be looking for a 3 or 4 goal return.

Are you stupid? He has the potential to be good,ie potentially up and coming, he hasn't come good yet, see?

The reason why he will find it hard to inspire is he hasn't done anything yet, no experience to draw on, for others to look up to, what are you ten?

Haven't a clue what your Palace mumble is about though you'll need a doctor or someone else for that one.

bring back the good old days wrote:

gleechy wrote:

bring back the good old days wrote:

gleechy wrote:
Well that's a refreshing change, a manager who sees what all others do. I've no doubt Mr Berg is here to make the team better, but can't help thinking he's on a hiding to nothing.

I get the feling that Shabby is making decisions and HB was so grateful for a job in management that he accepted this, and hoped he would gain their confidence.

If Shabby went out and bought cheap foreign imports for Kean, he'll do the same for HB. I really fear for this team. Confidence will not come from inexperience, and that is all we have.

We have a non football owner, a football talker, who says anything, and a potentially up and coming Manager, where is the inspiration coming from?

A potentialy up and coming manager?

I for one need you to explain that to me. And why do you claim he cannot inspire, he's only been here two minutes.

Lets put it this way, you are a Palace supporter, having watched their performances and then BRFC in turmoil turn up at your place - what would you expect of your team - honestly?
I would be looking for a 3 or 4 goal return.

Are you stupid? He has the potential to be good,ie potentially up and coming, he hasn't come good yet, see?

The reason why he will find it hard to inspire is he hasn't done anything yet, no experience to draw on, for others to look up to, what are you ten?

Haven't a clue what your Palace mumble is about though you'll need a doctor or someone else for that one.

Oh I see, I get it.
Just like you have the potential to be a reasonable polite individual.

smellthecoffee wrote:
Sorry Henning....1 point in 9 games and a year on a TV sofa doesn't make good ingredients to be a top manager. At least it keeps your buddy Hendry in gambling tokens and you certain of a multi-million pound contract with no chance of dismissal. All you have to do is front the operation that you're employed by.

gleechy wrote:

bring back the good old days wrote:

gleechy wrote:

bring back the good old days wrote:

gleechy wrote:
Well that's a refreshing change, a manager who sees what all others do. I've no doubt Mr Berg is here to make the team better, but can't help thinking he's on a hiding to nothing.

I get the feling that Shabby is making decisions and HB was so grateful for a job in management that he accepted this, and hoped he would gain their confidence.

If Shabby went out and bought cheap foreign imports for Kean, he'll do the same for HB. I really fear for this team. Confidence will not come from inexperience, and that is all we have.

We have a non football owner, a football talker, who says anything, and a potentially up and coming Manager, where is the inspiration coming from?

A potentialy up and coming manager?

I for one need you to explain that to me. And why do you claim he cannot inspire, he's only been here two minutes.

Lets put it this way, you are a Palace supporter, having watched their performances and then BRFC in turmoil turn up at your place - what would you expect of your team - honestly?
I would be looking for a 3 or 4 goal return.

Are you stupid? He has the potential to be good,ie potentially up and coming, he hasn't come good yet, see?

The reason why he will find it hard to inspire is he hasn't done anything yet, no experience to draw on, for others to look up to, what are you ten?

Haven't a clue what your Palace mumble is about though you'll need a doctor or someone else for that one.

Oh I see, I get it.
Just like you have the potential to be a reasonable polite individual.

Look I'm sorry for being rude, but I don't appreciate being called a Palace fan, just because I don't follow your line of thought. So I attacked you with sarcasm.

Ewood say that! wrote:
dyche's new team has won,so has mccarthy's,freedman has inspired his new bolton team to come back from one down and what do we get?

baldie wrote:

smellthecoffee wrote: Sorry Henning....1 point in 9 games and a year on a TV sofa doesn't make good ingredients to be a top manager. At least it keeps your buddy Hendry in gambling tokens and you certain of a multi-million pound contract with no chance of dismissal. All you have to do is front the operation that you're employed by.

Bitter aren't we Steve?Time to move on.

Harwoodstblue wrote:

DanBlackburn wrote: No sh+t Sherlock. Shocking performance. I hope Venkys have their cheque book ready for January.

History tells us that Venkeys won't splash the cash. Does anyone believe they have actually spent a penny of their own money ?

srvp28 wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

srvp28 wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

srvp28 wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

DanBlackburn wrote: No sh+t Sherlock. Shocking performance. I hope Venkys have their cheque book ready for January.

History tells us that Venkeys won't splash the cash. Does anyone believe they have actually spent a penny of their own money ?

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't we equal our own club record transfer fee, and smash the record for a fee paid by club outside the top tier, when we signed Rhodes?

Yes we did srvp28, but I think it's obvious to all that the money came from the Hoilet / Samba sales, not to mention the parachute money. I think I am correct in thinking also that Venkeys only paid 4 mill deposit with the rest to be paid in installments. I haven't done the sums, but I think income from player sales still outweighs the expenditure on far inferior players, hence the squad we have now. I still think Venkeys are in pocket after promising us 5 mill each transfer window.

I'm not questioning where the money came from, I was referring to your comment about history telling us that Venky's won't splash the cash. We may have only paid £4M up front for Rhodes but we're still obligated to pay £8M, therefore a further £4M will have to be set aside. As for the transfer fees received outnumbering those paid out, there were debts that had to be cleared too.

I don't doubt what you're saying svrp but didn't the fee received for Samba go towards paying off the debts. Remember, as we sold Samba after the transfer window closed no replacement could be brought in so the money went elsewhere.

I don't know all the ins-and-outs regarding figures so I don't know what's been used for what exactly. That said, we've still got running costs and excessive wages to pay so not every penny we get can be allocated to our transfer kitty. I know they said they'd spend £5M per window but they also said we'd be challenging for a Champions League spot. They were mislead something rotten and therefore have made numerous mistakes. Unfortunately they're too proud to admit they've made a huge error getting involved with something they know absolutely nothing about so, as a result, won't be selling up anytime soon.

forever_rovers wrote:
Ignoring the dingle / trolls seems to be working. Less crap in this chain than normal. Rovers have a real manager again. It is only a few weeks back we had the Clown shaming us match after match 'yes we lost but the big positive is blah blah'. Berg is class. Give him time; he will shine.

Final word wrote:
Some Rovers fans need to get a grip, unless it is Burnley fans trying to stir the situation. It's his first game in charge and everyone's criticising. Even though we have won games this season we all know the performances haven't been up to scratch. This is the reality of where the team is at at this moment in time, we come up against a decent side and we struggle. Can anyone honestly say that we deserved to win against the likes of Barnsley earlier this season? Not a chance, they battered us, but we did. We cannot go through a full season under performing and get promoted. Berg has had a few days with the team, what do we expect? That everything will be fine from day one? There is a lot of work to be done with these players and it will take time to get his ideas across. The key thing he has to try and manage is to stay in touch with the leading pack whilst this transition takes place. I also notice that people have stated a few new managers have won on their debuts, so what? Many a time a new manager comes in a gets a good run of results but on many occasions it reverts back to type/normality. Look at O'neill at Sunderland and Coyle at Bolton but to name a couple. Real sustained change takes time. And when the philosophy/mentality etc are really instilled into the team/club only then can sustained improvement/growth be achieved. Some players won't buy into new ideas, they will be gone. Some players will thrive and help any new players who arrive. Kean has gone, we got what we wanted. To criticise Berg at this stage is just nonsense. Some good changes have happened over the last few months, we can't keep automatically criticising every decision as we won't move forward as a club. We can't forget what has gone on over the last two years but we also can't never trust again because this will only continue to hold us back. We have to keep our end of the bargain and get behind the manager now. Make Ewood a hard place to come for oppositions and we have a chance of keeping up the fight until Henning can't instil his own ideas onto the team. I welcome any criticism but not from people who are too stubborn to move on from the past which would allow us to move forward.

proud burnley lad wrote:

passingfootball wrote:
All the teams around us have brought managers that have actually managed in the championship, they know it inside out and know how to manage it throughtout the long drawn out 46 games, berg doesn't have that luxury, blackburn didn't need to do is have a manager that has to learn on the job, especially when rovers cannot afford another season in this division, they are not a nursery for young managers who do their mistakes here before moving on to bigger clubs. The players may have been just as underwhelmed as some of the fans that after such a long wait and that disappointment may have affected them from focussing on the game properly.

why do you speak like you have to be in the PL? you dont deserve to be there your not even playing well in "chumpionship" as you use to call it never mind owt else dont look too far ahead get used to it YOU ARE NOT GETTING PROMOTED!!!! how isit waiting for football league show to start after MOTD btw? lol the venky BERGers are on me b***ards

kenbro wrote:
Sounds like we were very poor - again. At least Berg can now see the dead wood that he has been lumbered with. Good teams are not built overnight. It will take a year or two for any manager to create a decent squad starting from the one we have. It took 2 years to sink to where we are now so have patience. As for you smelly, you are taking over these forums with your continual argumentative, negative rants. We have all heard it and reheard it from you. Some reasoned contributors have probably given up coming on these forums because of people like you. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you are becoming "ad nauseum". Give it a rest...

smellthecoffee wrote:

kenbro wrote:
Sounds like we were very poor - again. At least Berg can now see the dead wood that he has been lumbered with. Good teams are not built overnight. It will take a year or two for any manager to create a decent squad starting from the one we have. It took 2 years to sink to where we are now so have patience. As for you smelly, you are taking over these forums with your continual argumentative, negative rants. We have all heard it and reheard it from you. Some reasoned contributors have probably given up coming on these forums because of people like you. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you are becoming "ad nauseum". Give it a rest...

You scared everyone is finally finding out the truth??? Where's another of your alter ego's...Morst?? Not seen him for a while. That particular account was very productive in getting rid of Big Sam wasn't it??!! What's up?? Could Sam not be trusted with your little plan?? But of course...he actually had a decent management record to protect...unlike your desperate new recruits...one of which had barely any footballing credibility whatsoever and the other, a failed manager and TV pundit from Norway. Isn't it funny how Kean called BIG SAM a crook!! The ultimate irony.

Captain Dreckley wrote:
Need to do better, and so say all of us. Now Berg knows what he has to work with and identifies poor defending as a massive problem. Well that is what we have all said throughout the Kean era but at last we have a manager who acknowledges this in public, something SK would never do. Our defensive unit is weak, inexperienced in key positions and is tactically incompetent due to an awful coach. Berg needs time with his players this week and now we have a manager in place all the unsettling speculation is over and we will see things settle down. Berg needs to assess then clear out all the backroom deadwood accumulated by Kean and bring in his own people. Tony Parkes would be a fantastic asset as would Tugay. Then some of the hangers on in the squad who think they are doing us a favour simply by turning up and drawing a fat wage for doing nothing. Too many at Brockhall in the likeness of Kean who need weeding out. Today Berg made s public statement that will be heard in India that all is not well in the squad and it was not down to bad luck that we lost. Carry on Henning, the future is looking bright.

bring back the good old days wrote:

gleechy wrote:

bring back the good old days wrote:

gleechy wrote:

bring back the good old days wrote:

gleechy wrote:
Well that's a refreshing change, a manager who sees what all others do. I've no doubt Mr Berg is here to make the team better, but can't help thinking he's on a hiding to nothing.

I get the feling that Shabby is making decisions and HB was so grateful for a job in management that he accepted this, and hoped he would gain their confidence.

If Shabby went out and bought cheap foreign imports for Kean, he'll do the same for HB. I really fear for this team. Confidence will not come from inexperience, and that is all we have.

We have a non football owner, a football talker, who says anything, and a potentially up and coming Manager, where is the inspiration coming from?

A potentialy up and coming manager?

I for one need you to explain that to me. And why do you claim he cannot inspire, he's only been here two minutes.

Lets put it this way, you are a Palace supporter, having watched their performances and then BRFC in turmoil turn up at your place - what would you expect of your team - honestly?
I would be looking for a 3 or 4 goal return.

Are you stupid? He has the potential to be good,ie potentially up and coming, he hasn't come good yet, see?

The reason why he will find it hard to inspire is he hasn't done anything yet, no experience to draw on, for others to look up to, what are you ten?

Haven't a clue what your Palace mumble is about though you'll need a doctor or someone else for that one.

Oh I see, I get it.
Just like you have the potential to be a reasonable polite individual.

Look I'm sorry for being rude, but I don't appreciate being called a Palace fan, just because I don't follow your line of thought. So I attacked you with sarcasm.

You totally misinterpreted my wording in that I was saying, put yourself in a Palace supporters shoes and look on from the other side (as there are generally two sides to every story and debate).
Would you really have expected to lose ?

bburnrover wrote:
We all know deep down that our squad isnt up to the task kean was lucky in his first few games were we played awful and scraped wins. I feel for Hening as he definately requires to strngthen the squad with quality and get rid of the dead legs Shebby has sgned.Formica Rochina Orr and quie a few more jst havent got enough stamina for this league and Dann and Hanley are too easily panicked.I feel we will have to wai or the January window and see if he can bring a couple of players in to change things.

Iiii1111 wrote:

smellthecoffee wrote:

kenbro wrote:
Sounds like we were very poor - again. At least Berg can now see the dead wood that he has been lumbered with. Good teams are not built overnight. It will take a year or two for any manager to create a decent squad starting from the one we have. It took 2 years to sink to where we are now so have patience. As for you smelly, you are taking over these forums with your continual argumentative, negative rants. We have all heard it and reheard it from you. Some reasoned contributors have probably given up coming on these forums because of people like you. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you are becoming "ad nauseum". Give it a rest...

You scared everyone is finally finding out the truth??? Where's another of your alter ego's...Morst?? Not seen him for a while. That particular account was very productive in getting rid of Big Sam wasn't it??!! What's up?? Could Sam not be trusted with your little plan?? But of course...he actually had a decent management record to protect...unlike your desperate new recruits...one of which had barely any footballing credibility whatsoever and the other, a failed manager and TV pundit from Norway. Isn't it funny how Kean called BIG SAM a crook!! The ultimate irony.

Smell, "irony" is that you by your own admission stopped attending games at Ewood pre Venkeys days when Allardyce was manager....the fact is you moan and complian about anything or anyone.....obviously


youve got mentalheth problems and I think we should all treat you with kidgloves

glp wrote:

Iiii1111 wrote:

smellthecoffee wrote:

kenbro wrote:
Sounds like we were very poor - again. At least Berg can now see the dead wood that he has been lumbered with. Good teams are not built overnight. It will take a year or two for any manager to create a decent squad starting from the one we have. It took 2 years to sink to where we are now so have patience. As for you smelly, you are taking over these forums with your continual argumentative, negative rants. We have all heard it and reheard it from you. Some reasoned contributors have probably given up coming on these forums because of people like you. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you are becoming "ad nauseum". Give it a rest...

You scared everyone is finally finding out the truth??? Where's another of your alter ego's...Morst?? Not seen him for a while. That particular account was very productive in getting rid of Big Sam wasn't it??!! What's up?? Could Sam not be trusted with your little plan?? But of course...he actually had a decent management record to protect...unlike your desperate new recruits...one of which had barely any footballing credibility whatsoever and the other, a failed manager and TV pundit from Norway. Isn't it funny how Kean called BIG SAM a crook!! The ultimate irony.

Smell, "irony" is that you by your own admission stopped attending games at Ewood pre Venkeys days when Allardyce was manager....the fact is you moan and complian about anything or anyone.....obviously



youve got mentalheth problems and I think we should all treat you with kidgloves

Think his doctors need to increase or change his medication. Obviously the current doseage not controlling his episodes of paranoria

gleechy wrote:

bburnrover wrote:
We all know deep down that our squad isnt up to the task kean was lucky in his first few games were we played awful and scraped wins. I feel for Hening as he definately requires to strngthen the squad with quality and get rid of the dead legs Shebby has sgned.Formica Rochina Orr and quie a few more jst havent got enough stamina for this league and Dann and Hanley are too easily panicked.I feel we will have to wai or the January window and see if he can bring a couple of players in to change things.

Which is what they won't do, what is your plan B?

kenbro wrote:
Sounds like we were very poor - again. At least Berg can now see the dead wood that he has been lumbered with. Good teams are not built overnight. It will take a year or two for any manager to create a decent squad starting from the one we have. It took 2 years to sink to where we are now so have patience.
As for you smelly, you are taking over these forums with your continual argumentative, negative rants. We have all heard it and reheard it from you. Some reasoned contributors have probably given up coming on these forums because of people like you. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you are becoming "ad nauseum". Give it a rest...

smellthecoffee wrote:
Sorry Henning....1 point in 9 games and a year on a TV sofa doesn't make good ingredients to be a top manager. At least it keeps your buddy Hendry in gambling tokens and you certain of a multi-million pound contract with no chance of dismissal. All you have to do is front the operation that you're employed by.

jackmetickler wrote:
good luck Henning cos your gonna need it. Cant see why we gambled on an inexperienced manager at this or any level really when there were so many better options... but The Venkys know best eh Its their money but its our club and I for one will give you a month to sort this shower out.... a month... cos we know who we got then... and you had better no lose to those inbreds or you will begin to know what SK felt like. One month

Harwoodstblue wrote:
After the Kean debacle I can't see why they went down the same road (inexperienced manager) again.

What is their plan? Does anybody know?

smellthecoffee wrote:

Final word wrote:
Some Rovers fans need to get a grip, unless it is Burnley fans trying to stir the situation. It's his first game in charge and everyone's criticising. Even though we have won games this season we all know the performances haven't been up to scratch. This is the reality of where the team is at at this moment in time, we come up against a decent side and we struggle. Can anyone honestly say that we deserved to win against the likes of Barnsley earlier this season? Not a chance, they battered us, but we did. We cannot go through a full season under performing and get promoted. Berg has had a few days with the team, what do we expect? That everything will be fine from day one? There is a lot of work to be done with these players and it will take time to get his ideas across. The key thing he has to try and manage is to stay in touch with the leading pack whilst this transition takes place. I also notice that people have stated a few new managers have won on their debuts, so what? Many a time a new manager comes in a gets a good run of results but on many occasions it reverts back to type/normality. Look at O'neill at Sunderland and Coyle at Bolton but to name a couple. Real sustained change takes time. And when the philosophy/mentality etc are really instilled into the team/club only then can sustained improvement/growth be achieved. Some players won't buy into new ideas, they will be gone. Some players will thrive and help any new players who arrive. Kean has gone, we got what we wanted. To criticise Berg at this stage is just nonsense. Some good changes have happened over the last few months, we can't keep automatically criticising every decision as we won't move forward as a club. We can't forget what has gone on over the last two years but we also can't never trust again because this will only continue to hold us back. We have to keep our end of the bargain and get behind the manager now. Make Ewood a hard place to come for oppositions and we have a chance of keeping up the fight until Henning can't instil his own ideas onto the team. I welcome any criticism but not from people who are too stubborn to move on from the past which would allow us to move forward.

Is that an official Kentaro press release??

Stone Island: wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:
After the Kean debacle I can't see why they went down the same road (inexperienced manager) again.

What is their plan? Does anybody know?

No, and Venky's don't know either. That's the problem. For the last two years, they've been making it up as they go along. Shabby's an idiot, so he doesn't know either.

bburnrover wrote:
We all know deep down that our squad isnt up to the task kean was lucky in his first few games were we played awful and scraped wins. I feel for Hening as he definately requires to strngthen the squad with quality and get rid of the dead legs Shebby has sgned.Formica Rochina Orr and quie a few more jst havent got enough stamina for this league and Dann and Hanley are too easily panicked.I feel we will have to wai or the January window and see if he can bring a couple of players in to change things.

Ewood say that! wrote:
dyche's new team has won,so has mccarthy's,freedman has inspired his new bolton team to come back from one down and what do we get?

jogalot wrote:
Now you know the quality of the squad you got, Henning! According to Simon Garner, out of the starting 11, only Adam Henley and Rhodes showed they were playing like they were trying to impress the manager. All the rest of them should be ashamed of themselves. Rochina sounded lively when he came on but there must be some deep unrest in the squad if they couldn't raise their game for their new manager. Berg will sort them out. He'll have to. He has a big job on. Good luck, Henning!

Angry From Accrington wrote:

jogalot wrote:
Now you know the quality of the squad you got, Henning! According to Simon Garner, out of the starting 11, only Adam Henley and Rhodes showed they were playing like they were trying to impress the manager. All the rest of them should be ashamed of themselves. Rochina sounded lively when he came on but there must be some deep unrest in the squad if they couldn't raise their game for their new manager. Berg will sort them out. He'll have to. He has a big job on. Good luck, Henning!

Perhaps they are expressing their opinion on the treatment of the former manager?

hugofakenham wrote:

Ewood say that! wrote:
dyche's new team has won,so has mccarthy's,freedman has inspired his new bolton team to come back from one down and what do we get?

Holloway's Palace win
Freedman's Bolton win
McCarthy's Ipswich win
Dyche's Burnley win
Berg's Blackburn lose !!!!!!!!!!!

Keep it coming.
Keane is vindicated.

77'sss wrote:
Well 14 games gone , and we've played well in ???
We have been on a downslope since 2010
We where conceding goals then and that's with the likes of Nielsen samba jones Givet and Robinson and its the same now
It doesn't make a difference who runs the team
If you can't defend you're going to lose games,and as I said after the boro game none of our back 4 or goalkeeper would hold a place in any premiership team,we have proberbly 4 or so midfield/ forwards. Who could make that grade, so don't get to disappointed when we aren't there at the end of the season, there are at least 6 other teams who would fancy their chances of finishing above us and the way we've played so far you could make that 10

trueblue72 wrote:

77'sss wrote:
Well 14 games gone , and we've played well in ???
We have been on a downslope since 2010
We where conceding goals then and that's with the likes of Nielsen samba jones Givet and Robinson and its the same now
It doesn't make a difference who runs the team
If you can't defend you're going to lose games,and as I said after the boro game none of our back 4 or goalkeeper would hold a place in any premiership team,we have proberbly 4 or so midfield/ forwards. Who could make that grade, so don't get to disappointed when we aren't there at the end of the season, there are at least 6 other teams who would fancy their chances of finishing above us and the way we've played so far you could make that 10

Could not agree with you more.
I have been saying for the last few weeks on here that most of the points we have gained this season so far are down to luck more than skill and endeavour. It just papers over the massive cracks that we have as a club and as a team.

I am all for HB and can see the task he has ahead and the people on here who think any other manager in the world could transform this team into promotion certainties are totally naive.
Shebby the mouth wil keep shooting himself and others in the foot with his constant interfering and profile building.
I think personally HB biggest fight is to be left alone and choose his own team/ players required to improve bus and build towards a proper promotion push next season.
The squad he has inherited is awful with too many over the hills and to many journeyman with not an ounce of fight or club spirit.
He could do far worse than play more of the kids who want to be here, who want to play for the club and fight for the cause.

I would love to hold my hands up at the end of the season and say I was wrong and what a wonderful transformation of the team he has done and how we deserved the promotion... But hand on heart I can't see it.

Lets all get behind the team on Saturday and show our support for HB and show the footballing world that we are proper fans who are willing to give the club a good chance and we are not a bunch of whining moaning fans who will never be happy with anything and think we have a divine right to be in the top tier of the football leagues.

I just pray that this lot in charge don't ruin us anymore and we have a football club left when they finally sell up and go.
God knows when that will be (probably when there is nothing left for them to take) but we will have to pray for the best until that does finally happen.

Iiii1111 wrote:

smellthecoffee wrote:

kenbro wrote: Sounds like we were very poor - again. At least Berg can now see the dead wood that he has been lumbered with. Good teams are not built overnight. It will take a year or two for any manager to create a decent squad starting from the one we have. It took 2 years to sink to where we are now so have patience. As for you smelly, you are taking over these forums with your continual argumentative, negative rants. We have all heard it and reheard it from you. Some reasoned contributors have probably given up coming on these forums because of people like you. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you are becoming "ad nauseum". Give it a rest...

You scared everyone is finally finding out the truth??? Where's another of your alter ego's...Morst?? Not seen him for a while. That particular account was very productive in getting rid of Big Sam wasn't it??!! What's up?? Could Sam not be trusted with your little plan?? But of course...he actually had a decent management record to protect...unlike your desperate new recruits...one of which had barely any footballing credibility whatsoever and the other, a failed manager and TV pundit from Norway. Isn't it funny how Kean called BIG SAM a crook!! The ultimate irony.

Smell, "irony" is that you by your own admission stopped attending games at Ewood pre Venkeys days when Allardyce was manager....the fact is you moan and complian about anything or anyone.....obviously youve got mentalheth problems and I think we should all treat you with kidgloves

Final word wrote:

smellthecoffee wrote:

Final word wrote: Some Rovers fans need to get a grip, unless it is Burnley fans trying to stir the situation. It's his first game in charge and everyone's criticising. Even though we have won games this season we all know the performances haven't been up to scratch. This is the reality of where the team is at at this moment in time, we come up against a decent side and we struggle. Can anyone honestly say that we deserved to win against the likes of Barnsley earlier this season? Not a chance, they battered us, but we did. We cannot go through a full season under performing and get promoted. Berg has had a few days with the team, what do we expect? That everything will be fine from day one? There is a lot of work to be done with these players and it will take time to get his ideas across. The key thing he has to try and manage is to stay in touch with the leading pack whilst this transition takes place. I also notice that people have stated a few new managers have won on their debuts, so what? Many a time a new manager comes in a gets a good run of results but on many occasions it reverts back to type/normality. Look at O'neill at Sunderland and Coyle at Bolton but to name a couple. Real sustained change takes time. And when the philosophy/mentality etc are really instilled into the team/club only then can sustained improvement/growth be achieved. Some players won't buy into new ideas, they will be gone. Some players will thrive and help any new players who arrive. Kean has gone, we got what we wanted. To criticise Berg at this stage is just nonsense. Some good changes have happened over the last few months, we can't keep automatically criticising every decision as we won't move forward as a club. We can't forget what has gone on over the last two years but we also can't never trust again because this will only continue to hold us back. We have to keep our end of the bargain and get behind the manager now. Make Ewood a hard place to come for oppositions and we have a chance of keeping up the fight until Henning can't instil his own ideas onto the team. I welcome any criticism but not from people who are too stubborn to move on from the past which would allow us to move forward.

Is that an official Kentaro press release??

No its someone who actually wants my club to do well you sad Burnley pr!ck. Good arguments back by the way.

smellthecoffee wrote:

Final word wrote:

smellthecoffee wrote:

Final word wrote: Some Rovers fans need to get a grip, unless it is Burnley fans trying to stir the situation. It's his first game in charge and everyone's criticising. Even though we have won games this season we all know the performances haven't been up to scratch. This is the reality of where the team is at at this moment in time, we come up against a decent side and we struggle. Can anyone honestly say that we deserved to win against the likes of Barnsley earlier this season? Not a chance, they battered us, but we did. We cannot go through a full season under performing and get promoted. Berg has had a few days with the team, what do we expect? That everything will be fine from day one? There is a lot of work to be done with these players and it will take time to get his ideas across. The key thing he has to try and manage is to stay in touch with the leading pack whilst this transition takes place. I also notice that people have stated a few new managers have won on their debuts, so what? Many a time a new manager comes in a gets a good run of results but on many occasions it reverts back to type/normality. Look at O'neill at Sunderland and Coyle at Bolton but to name a couple. Real sustained change takes time. And when the philosophy/mentality etc are really instilled into the team/club only then can sustained improvement/growth be achieved. Some players won't buy into new ideas, they will be gone. Some players will thrive and help any new players who arrive. Kean has gone, we got what we wanted. To criticise Berg at this stage is just nonsense. Some good changes have happened over the last few months, we can't keep automatically criticising every decision as we won't move forward as a club. We can't forget what has gone on over the last two years but we also can't never trust again because this will only continue to hold us back. We have to keep our end of the bargain and get behind the manager now. Make Ewood a hard place to come for oppositions and we have a chance of keeping up the fight until Henning can't instil his own ideas onto the team. I welcome any criticism but not from people who are too stubborn to move on from the past which would allow us to move forward.

Is that an official Kentaro press release??

No its someone who actually wants my club to do well you sad Burnley pr!ck. Good arguments back by the way.

touchy!! What's up?? Your plans falling apart??

smellthecoffee wrote:

Final word wrote: Some Rovers fans need to get a grip, unless it is Burnley fans trying to stir the situation. It's his first game in charge and everyone's criticising. Even though we have won games this season we all know the performances haven't been up to scratch. This is the reality of where the team is at at this moment in time, we come up against a decent side and we struggle. Can anyone honestly say that we deserved to win against the likes of Barnsley earlier this season? Not a chance, they battered us, but we did. We cannot go through a full season under performing and get promoted. Berg has had a few days with the team, what do we expect? That everything will be fine from day one? There is a lot of work to be done with these players and it will take time to get his ideas across. The key thing he has to try and manage is to stay in touch with the leading pack whilst this transition takes place. I also notice that people have stated a few new managers have won on their debuts, so what? Many a time a new manager comes in a gets a good run of results but on many occasions it reverts back to type/normality. Look at O'neill at Sunderland and Coyle at Bolton but to name a couple. Real sustained change takes time. And when the philosophy/mentality etc are really instilled into the team/club only then can sustained improvement/growth be achieved. Some players won't buy into new ideas, they will be gone. Some players will thrive and help any new players who arrive. Kean has gone, we got what we wanted. To criticise Berg at this stage is just nonsense. Some good changes have happened over the last few months, we can't keep automatically criticising every decision as we won't move forward as a club. We can't forget what has gone on over the last two years but we also can't never trust again because this will only continue to hold us back. We have to keep our end of the bargain and get behind the manager now. Make Ewood a hard place to come for oppositions and we have a chance of keeping up the fight until Henning can't instil his own ideas onto the team. I welcome any criticism but not from people who are too stubborn to move on from the past which would allow us to move forward.

Is that an official Kentaro press release??

smellthecoffee wrote:

Iiii1111 wrote:

smellthecoffee wrote:

kenbro wrote: Sounds like we were very poor - again. At least Berg can now see the dead wood that he has been lumbered with. Good teams are not built overnight. It will take a year or two for any manager to create a decent squad starting from the one we have. It took 2 years to sink to where we are now so have patience. As for you smelly, you are taking over these forums with your continual argumentative, negative rants. We have all heard it and reheard it from you. Some reasoned contributors have probably given up coming on these forums because of people like you. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you are becoming "ad nauseum". Give it a rest...

You scared everyone is finally finding out the truth??? Where's another of your alter ego's...Morst?? Not seen him for a while. That particular account was very productive in getting rid of Big Sam wasn't it??!! What's up?? Could Sam not be trusted with your little plan?? But of course...he actually had a decent management record to protect...unlike your desperate new recruits...one of which had barely any footballing credibility whatsoever and the other, a failed manager and TV pundit from Norway. Isn't it funny how Kean called BIG SAM a crook!! The ultimate irony.

Smell, "irony" is that you by your own admission stopped attending games at Ewood pre Venkeys days when Allardyce was manager....the fact is you moan and complian about anything or anyone.....obviously youve got mentalheth problems and I think we should all treat you with kidgloves

As you know I went to games (consistently since 1979) up until Big Sam was sacked. I have not been back since (despite even having the offer of free tickets whenever I want them). I will not invest any time or money in this regime. You can call me names - to attempt to discredit all I say - but ultimately you know I'm right.
.
A quick look at the situation Rovers' were in (before they unceremoniously sacked Sam) to where they are now is all the evidence needed to prove that I was right and you were WRONG!!
.
Funny how all these different and NUMEROUS accounts get very angry when I criticize a certain agency or it's particular owner.....

blueblooded wrote:

smellthecoffee wrote:

Iiii1111 wrote:

smellthecoffee wrote:

kenbro wrote: Sounds like we were very poor - again. At least Berg can now see the dead wood that he has been lumbered with. Good teams are not built overnight. It will take a year or two for any manager to create a decent squad starting from the one we have. It took 2 years to sink to where we are now so have patience. As for you smelly, you are taking over these forums with your continual argumentative, negative rants. We have all heard it and reheard it from you. Some reasoned contributors have probably given up coming on these forums because of people like you. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you are becoming "ad nauseum". Give it a rest...

You scared everyone is finally finding out the truth??? Where's another of your alter ego's...Morst?? Not seen him for a while. That particular account was very productive in getting rid of Big Sam wasn't it??!! What's up?? Could Sam not be trusted with your little plan?? But of course...he actually had a decent management record to protect...unlike your desperate new recruits...one of which had barely any footballing credibility whatsoever and the other, a failed manager and TV pundit from Norway. Isn't it funny how Kean called BIG SAM a crook!! The ultimate irony.

Smell, "irony" is that you by your own admission stopped attending games at Ewood pre Venkeys days when Allardyce was manager....the fact is you moan and complian about anything or anyone.....obviously youve got mentalheth problems and I think we should all treat you with kidgloves

As you know I went to games (consistently since 1979) up until Big Sam was sacked. I have not been back since (despite even having the offer of free tickets whenever I want them). I will not invest any time or money in this regime. You can call me names - to attempt to discredit all I say - but ultimately you know I'm right. . A quick look at the situation Rovers' were in (before they unceremoniously sacked Sam) to where they are now is all the evidence needed to prove that I was right and you were WRONG!! . Funny how all these different and NUMEROUS accounts get very angry when I criticize a certain agency or it's particular owner.....

aah.. the good old I went to the games since..." Yeah amazing what wikipedia stats and a few player names dropped can make you sound like.. Fact is you're an EX-supporter, and by all accounts your tenure as both a supporter and fan is over for the foreseeable future as its unlikely that Venkys will be going anywhere in the next decade, Sadly, it seems you dont seem to be able to come to terms that for you, its over.

roop_-33 wrote:
ffs give berg a chance and stop your moaning its not constructive and doesnt benefit anybody.it seems as though some of you are in your element when your whinging and whining always being negative. get behind your/our team and think positive without this we will end up like the dingles stuck in limbo.how do expect success without positivity?

smellthecoffee wrote:

roop_-33 wrote:
ffs give berg a chance and stop your moaning its not constructive and doesnt benefit anybody.it seems as though some of you are in your element when your whinging and whining always being negative. get behind your/our team and think positive without this we will end up like the dingles stuck in limbo.how do expect success without positivity?

Congratulations...yo

u have reached your 200th account!! You qualify for an additional Portuguese or Spanish free transfer commission token for January's window!!

Angry From Accrington wrote:

jogalot wrote: Now you know the quality of the squad you got, Henning! According to Simon Garner, out of the starting 11, only Adam Henley and Rhodes showed they were playing like they were trying to impress the manager. All the rest of them should be ashamed of themselves. Rochina sounded lively when he came on but there must be some deep unrest in the squad if they couldn't raise their game for their new manager. Berg will sort them out. He'll have to. He has a big job on. Good luck, Henning!

Perhaps they are expressing their opinion on the treatment of the former manager?

gleechy wrote:

bburnrover wrote: We all know deep down that our squad isnt up to the task kean was lucky in his first few games were we played awful and scraped wins. I feel for Hening as he definately requires to strngthen the squad with quality and get rid of the dead legs Shebby has sgned.Formica Rochina Orr and quie a few more jst havent got enough stamina for this league and Dann and Hanley are too easily panicked.I feel we will have to wai or the January window and see if he can bring a couple of players in to change things.

Which is what they won't do, what is your plan B?

smellthecoffee wrote:

blueblooded wrote:

smellthecoffee wrote:

Iiii1111 wrote:

smellthecoffee wrote:

kenbro wrote: Sounds like we were very poor - again. At least Berg can now see the dead wood that he has been lumbered with. Good teams are not built overnight. It will take a year or two for any manager to create a decent squad starting from the one we have. It took 2 years to sink to where we are now so have patience. As for you smelly, you are taking over these forums with your continual argumentative, negative rants. We have all heard it and reheard it from you. Some reasoned contributors have probably given up coming on these forums because of people like you. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you are becoming "ad nauseum". Give it a rest...

You scared everyone is finally finding out the truth??? Where's another of your alter ego's...Morst?? Not seen him for a while. That particular account was very productive in getting rid of Big Sam wasn't it??!! What's up?? Could Sam not be trusted with your little plan?? But of course...he actually had a decent management record to protect...unlike your desperate new recruits...one of which had barely any footballing credibility whatsoever and the other, a failed manager and TV pundit from Norway. Isn't it funny how Kean called BIG SAM a crook!! The ultimate irony.

Smell, "irony" is that you by your own admission stopped attending games at Ewood pre Venkeys days when Allardyce was manager....the fact is you moan and complian about anything or anyone.....obviously youve got mentalheth problems and I think we should all treat you with kidgloves

As you know I went to games (consistently since 1979) up until Big Sam was sacked. I have not been back since (despite even having the offer of free tickets whenever I want them). I will not invest any time or money in this regime. You can call me names - to attempt to discredit all I say - but ultimately you know I'm right. . A quick look at the situation Rovers' were in (before they unceremoniously sacked Sam) to where they are now is all the evidence needed to prove that I was right and you were WRONG!! . Funny how all these different and NUMEROUS accounts get very angry when I criticize a certain agency or it's particular owner.....

aah.. the good old I went to the games since..." Yeah amazing what wikipedia stats and a few player names dropped can make you sound like.. Fact is you're an EX-supporter, and by all accounts your tenure as both a supporter and fan is over for the foreseeable future as its unlikely that Venkys will be going anywhere in the next decade, Sadly, it seems you dont seem to be able to come to terms that for you, its over.

...yes and sadly it seems I'm not the only one judging by the plummeting home attendances...or are they just newspaper/website misprints?? Agent fees in the annual accounts should make interesting reading...or will they be fudged like everything else?? Also, please could you tell me how many "sister" companies Kentaro have?? Any based in Portugal by any chance....???

blueblooded wrote:

smellthecoffee wrote:

blueblooded wrote:

smellthecoffee wrote:

Iiii1111 wrote:

smellthecoffee wrote:

kenbro wrote: Sounds like we were very poor - again. At least Berg can now see the dead wood that he has been lumbered with. Good teams are not built overnight. It will take a year or two for any manager to create a decent squad starting from the one we have. It took 2 years to sink to where we are now so have patience. As for you smelly, you are taking over these forums with your continual argumentative, negative rants. We have all heard it and reheard it from you. Some reasoned contributors have probably given up coming on these forums because of people like you. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you are becoming "ad nauseum". Give it a rest...

You scared everyone is finally finding out the truth??? Where's another of your alter ego's...Morst?? Not seen him for a while. That particular account was very productive in getting rid of Big Sam wasn't it??!! What's up?? Could Sam not be trusted with your little plan?? But of course...he actually had a decent management record to protect...unlike your desperate new recruits...one of which had barely any footballing credibility whatsoever and the other, a failed manager and TV pundit from Norway. Isn't it funny how Kean called BIG SAM a crook!! The ultimate irony.

Smell, "irony" is that you by your own admission stopped attending games at Ewood pre Venkeys days when Allardyce was manager....the fact is you moan and complian about anything or anyone.....obviously youve got mentalheth problems and I think we should all treat you with kidgloves

As you know I went to games (consistently since 1979) up until Big Sam was sacked. I have not been back since (despite even having the offer of free tickets whenever I want them). I will not invest any time or money in this regime. You can call me names - to attempt to discredit all I say - but ultimately you know I'm right. . A quick look at the situation Rovers' were in (before they unceremoniously sacked Sam) to where they are now is all the evidence needed to prove that I was right and you were WRONG!! . Funny how all these different and NUMEROUS accounts get very angry when I criticize a certain agency or it's particular owner.....

aah.. the good old I went to the games since..." Yeah amazing what wikipedia stats and a few player names dropped can make you sound like.. Fact is you're an EX-supporter, and by all accounts your tenure as both a supporter and fan is over for the foreseeable future as its unlikely that Venkys will be going anywhere in the next decade, Sadly, it seems you dont seem to be able to come to terms that for you, its over.

...yes and sadly it seems I'm not the only one judging by the plummeting home attendances...or are they just newspaper/website misprints?? Agent fees in the annual accounts should make interesting reading...or will they be fudged like everything else?? Also, please could you tell me how many "sister" companies Kentaro have?? Any based in Portugal by any chance....???

Why ask me? You're the Oracle that knows all.. In your own head admittedly. I suspect that in the states there are yank equivalents of you smelly, you know the ones who believe in crop circles and alien abduction, trying to convince the world they were butt probed by green six fingered visitors. The crop circle being at Ewood and the aliens being SEM/Kentaro in this scenario.

stefjam wrote:
bring back the good old days says... In the next couple of years ALL clubs will have to do likewise. This is not such a bad thing as it will attend some way into the gross imbalance between the 'haves' and 'have not' clubs. You really do live in the past if you think the the big clubs ate going to 'play fair'. They will find some kind of tax fiddle or con to carry on millions in debt & paying stupid wages to staff. Look at how Man City owners sponsored their own stadium with a ridiculous amount of money & UEFA turn a blind eye.

srvp28 wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

srvp28 wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

DanBlackburn wrote: No sh+t Sherlock. Shocking performance. I hope Venkys have their cheque book ready for January.

History tells us that Venkeys won't splash the cash. Does anyone believe they have actually spent a penny of their own money ?

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't we equal our own club record transfer fee, and smash the record for a fee paid by club outside the top tier, when we signed Rhodes?

Yes we did srvp28, but I think it's obvious to all that the money came from the Hoilet / Samba sales, not to mention the parachute money. I think I am correct in thinking also that Venkeys only paid 4 mill deposit with the rest to be paid in installments. I haven't done the sums, but I think income from player sales still outweighs the expenditure on far inferior players, hence the squad we have now. I still think Venkeys are in pocket after promising us 5 mill each transfer window.

I'm not questioning where the money came from, I was referring to your comment about history telling us that Venky's won't splash the cash. We may have only paid £4M up front for Rhodes but we're still obligated to pay £8M, therefore a further £4M will have to be set aside. As for the transfer fees received outnumbering those paid out, there were debts that had to be cleared too.

whappen wrote:

srvp28 wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

srvp28 wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

DanBlackburn wrote: No sh+t Sherlock. Shocking performance. I hope Venkys have their cheque book ready for January.

History tells us that Venkeys won't splash the cash. Does anyone believe they have actually spent a penny of their own money ?

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't we equal our own club record transfer fee, and smash the record for a fee paid by club outside the top tier, when we signed Rhodes?

Yes we did srvp28, but I think it's obvious to all that the money came from the Hoilet / Samba sales, not to mention the parachute money. I think I am correct in thinking also that Venkeys only paid 4 mill deposit with the rest to be paid in installments. I haven't done the sums, but I think income from player sales still outweighs the expenditure on far inferior players, hence the squad we have now. I still think Venkeys are in pocket after promising us 5 mill each transfer window.

I'm not questioning where the money came from, I was referring to your comment about history telling us that Venky's won't splash the cash. We may have only paid £4M up front for Rhodes but we're still obligated to pay £8M, therefore a further £4M will have to be set aside. As for the transfer fees received outnumbering those paid out, there were debts that had to be cleared too.

No they didn't. They had to be serviced - a little like your mortgage or interest free loan from DHL; do that and nobody's worried. That is how banks make their profits y'know, lending money. It is better for them if we stay in debt, as long as we stick to any agreements made with them.

Venkys didn't, the bank threatened to cut off its credit to the point of possibly threatening foreclosure (ref. Paul Hunt's leaked letter). They had also demanded the £10mill Venkys had said they would pay when the took over the club but hadn't. No wonder they got twitchy.

Every football club in the top two divisions is in debt one way or another. And virtually all of those below them. So why did we have to be debt free? Could they not manage the debt? We seem to have been doing it previously. Then again, we did have people in charge who were capable of distinguishing their @rse from their elbow in those days.

Venkys have had the bizarre policy of cost cutting when they had the guaranteed £40odd million income and speculating using copius amounts of money when we haven't. If they hadn't gone on their ill-conceived economy drive last year, they may have been £25-30mill better off this - even with Kean.

Then again, we haven't seen last year's accounts. Based on their first year (losses increased by over 900%) they may be enough to make your eyes water. I suppose it depends on which recipe the accountants are using.

People keep referring to the owners taking advantage of the parachute payments as though all the costs have disappeared just because we got relegated. The wage bill of the new players alone will eat up the majority of that and we still have to pay those that were already here.

Relegation and retaining Kean has seen us almost certain to miss out on the bonanza of the new TV deal next year. That will be another £50mill+ down the pan when you consider the parachute payments will drop by half.

And the high earners will still be here remember as no-one's going to pay them what we are, so the accountants are going to have to be even more imaginative. Or Venkys may just jump ship, leaving it to sink without a trace.

Good luck Henning, you are going to need it mate.

kazluvsrovers wrote:
Does anyone know when Leon Best is supposed to be returning? he can pair
up with Jordon Rhodes. might be a good strike force!!!!

proud burnley lad wrote:
as they knocked on pompeys door last season what did they tell um....... PAY UP POMPEY POMPEY PAY UP not far off for them to knock on yours either haha cant wait it just seems to be getting better UTMC look forward to derby day v preston lads haha

kazluvsrovers wrote:

proud burnley lad wrote:
as they knocked on pompeys door last season what did they tell um....... PAY UP POMPEY POMPEY PAY UP not far off for them to knock on yours either haha cant wait it just seems to be getting better UTMC look forward to derby day v preston lads haha

Get stuffed Dingle!!!!

proud burnley lad wrote:
as they knocked on pompeys door last season what did they tell um....... PAY UP POMPEY POMPEY PAY UP not far off for them to knock on yours either haha cant wait it just seems to be getting better UTMC look forward to derby day v preston lads haha

one more season wrote:
Surely if we have defensive problems thats down to Hendry, so get rid of him.Who the hell wants him at our once proud football club anyway.

one more season wrote:
Surely if we have defensive problems thats down to Hendry, so get rid of him.Who the hell wants him at our once proud football club anyway.

rovertezza wrote:
Henning, ditch the 'lame and lazy' with Murphy 1st on your transfer list for January and get 'dunny' fit again as he, as 'old as he is' is a ball player and the only one you have at the moment !! Too much dead wood getting big bucks for no effort ! Be a good manager and not a 'puppet for the owners. You have some young creative players in the squad, use them.

proud burnley lad wrote:
as they knocked on pompeys door last season what did they tell um....... PAY UP POMPEY POMPEY PAY UP not far off for them to knock on yours either haha cant wait it just seems to be getting better UTMC look forward to derby day v preston lads haha

Stone Island: wrote:

rovertezza wrote: Henning, ditch the 'lame and lazy' with Murphy 1st on your transfer list for January and get 'dunny' fit again as he, as 'old as he is' is a ball player and the only one you have at the moment !! Too much dead wood getting big bucks for no effort ! Be a good manager and not a 'puppet for the owners. You have some young creative players in the squad, use them.

Murphy will be going NOWHERE in January. Shabby Minge, and that c**** Kean, gave that has - been a two year contract, worth CIRCA 30K per WEEK! Nobody in their right mind will offer him that kind of money, at his age. That's why he's here. Remember, he turned down PL clubs to sign for us. Why? The same can be said for Gomes.

smellthecoffee wrote:

Stone Island: wrote:

rovertezza wrote: Henning, ditch the 'lame and lazy' with Murphy 1st on your transfer list for January and get 'dunny' fit again as he, as 'old as he is' is a ball player and the only one you have at the moment !! Too much dead wood getting big bucks for no effort ! Be a good manager and not a 'puppet for the owners. You have some young creative players in the squad, use them.

Murphy will be going NOWHERE in January. Shabby Minge, and that c**** Kean, gave that has - been a two year contract, worth CIRCA 30K per WEEK! Nobody in their right mind will offer him that kind of money, at his age. That's why he's here. Remember, he turned down PL clubs to sign for us. Why? The same can be said for Gomes.

...and how much does his agent make each week out of that £30k a week?? - 15% is the going rate is it?? Times by how many free transfers from Portugal and Spain?? Some money being made by someone or some people. The agent fees on transfers alone could be just a drop in the ocean!! The "running" commission rates could be astronomical! . I believe there are probably more kick-backs off the pitch, than on it! . Small wonder agents threaten legal action against "free speech" on here!!

smellthecoffee wrote:

smellthecoffee wrote:

Stone Island: wrote:

rovertezza wrote: Henning, ditch the 'lame and lazy' with Murphy 1st on your transfer list for January and get 'dunny' fit again as he, as 'old as he is' is a ball player and the only one you have at the moment !! Too much dead wood getting big bucks for no effort ! Be a good manager and not a 'puppet for the owners. You have some young creative players in the squad, use them.

Murphy will be going NOWHERE in January. Shabby Minge, and that c**** Kean, gave that has - been a two year contract, worth CIRCA 30K per WEEK! Nobody in their right mind will offer him that kind of money, at his age. That's why he's here. Remember, he turned down PL clubs to sign for us. Why? The same can be said for Gomes.

...and how much does his agent make each week out of that £30k a week?? - 15% is the going rate is it?? Times by how many free transfers from Portugal and Spain?? Some money being made by someone or some people. The agent fees on transfers alone could be just a drop in the ocean!! The "running" commission rates could be astronomical! . I believe there are probably more kick-backs off the pitch, than on it! . Small wonder agents threaten legal action against "free speech" on here!!

ALL THE TIME...THIS ONCE PROUD CLUB GETS RUN INTO THE GROUND!! IT'S A REAL MESS AND A FINANCIAL DISASTER... . IF VENKY'S DO OWN THE CLUB - AND ARE HONOURABLE WITH IT - LET'S SEE THEM DEPOSIT A SIZEABLE CHUNK OF MONEY INTO AN INDEPENDENT BRITISH BANK ACCOUNT WITH ASSURANCES FOR THE LONG-TERM FINANCIAL STABILITY OF THE CLUB....

srvp28 wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

srvp28 wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

DanBlackburn wrote:
No sh+t Sherlock.

Shocking performance.

I hope Venkys have their cheque book ready for January.

History tells us that Venkeys won't splash the cash. Does anyone believe they have actually spent a penny of their own money ?

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't we equal our own club record transfer fee, and smash the record for a fee paid by club outside the top tier, when we signed Rhodes?

Yes we did srvp28, but I think it's obvious to all that the money came from the Hoilet / Samba sales, not to mention the parachute money. I think I am correct in thinking also that Venkeys only paid 4 mill deposit with the rest to be paid in installments.
I haven't done the sums, but I think income from player sales still outweighs the expenditure on far inferior players, hence the squad we have now.
I still think Venkeys are in pocket after promising us 5 mill each transfer window.

I'm not questioning where the money came from, I was referring to your comment about history telling us that Venky's won't splash the cash. We may have only paid £4M up front for Rhodes but we're still obligated to pay £8M, therefore a further £4M will have to be set aside. As for the transfer fees received outnumbering those paid out, there were debts that had to be cleared too.

noddymcleod wrote:
I am pleased most people wish Berg well, which is a reflexion of fond memories of him as a player.
The optimisitic parallel is Sparky, who had never managed a club side at any level. His first games with the squad he inherited from that dunce Ince were a disaster, but gradually he instilled some rigour into them, got them fit. It will take time and patience. The depressing aide of this is of course, Sparky had a supportive management of Williams and co. Berg has to put up with this numpty Shabby whose only plan is to shoot his mouth off and increase his profile back home.
Berg has a very delicate balance to make, only when he gets the team into shape can he take on Shabby who seems to have the ear of the Venkys. There has to be a eventual parting of the ways.
If - not at this rate - but if Rovers make it back in year one, I can see that loon Shabby and the Venkys staying on to milk the situation of being in the Premiership.
At least give Berg a break and see what he makes of the team.

jackmetickler wrote:
good luck Henning cos your gonna need it. Cant see why we gambled on an inexperienced manager at this or any level really when there were so many better options... but The Venkys know best eh Its their money but its our club and I for one will give you a month to sort this shower out.... a month... cos we know who we got then... and you had better no lose to those inbreds or you will begin to know what SK felt like. One month

smellthecoffee wrote:

Iiii1111 wrote:

smellthecoffee wrote:

kenbro wrote: Sounds like we were very poor - again. At least Berg can now see the dead wood that he has been lumbered with. Good teams are not built overnight. It will take a year or two for any manager to create a decent squad starting from the one we have. It took 2 years to sink to where we are now so have patience. As for you smelly, you are taking over these forums with your continual argumentative, negative rants. We have all heard it and reheard it from you. Some reasoned contributors have probably given up coming on these forums because of people like you. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you are becoming "ad nauseum". Give it a rest...

You scared everyone is finally finding out the truth??? Where's another of your alter ego's...Morst?? Not seen him for a while. That particular account was very productive in getting rid of Big Sam wasn't it??!! What's up?? Could Sam not be trusted with your little plan?? But of course...he actually had a decent management record to protect...unlike your desperate new recruits...one of which had barely any footballing credibility whatsoever and the other, a failed manager and TV pundit from Norway. Isn't it funny how Kean called BIG SAM a crook!! The ultimate irony.

Smell, "irony" is that you by your own admission stopped attending games at Ewood pre Venkeys days when Allardyce was manager....the fact is you moan and complian about anything or anyone.....obviously youve got mentalheth problems and I think we should all treat you with kidgloves

As you know I went to games (consistently since 1979) up until Big Sam was sacked. I have not been back since (despite even having the offer of free tickets whenever I want them). I will not invest any time or money in this regime. You can call me names - to attempt to discredit all I say - but ultimately you know I'm right. . A quick look at the situation Rovers' were in (before they unceremoniously sacked Sam) to where they are now is all the evidence needed to prove that I was right and you were WRONG!! . Funny how all these different and NUMEROUS accounts get very angry when I criticize a certain agency or it's particular owner.....

Rovers 1495 wrote:

noddymcleod wrote:
I am pleased most people wish Berg well, which is a reflexion of fond memories of him as a player.
The optimisitic parallel is Sparky, who had never managed a club side at any level. His first games with the squad he inherited from that dunce Ince were a disaster, but gradually he instilled some rigour into them, got them fit. It will take time and patience. The depressing aide of this is of course, Sparky had a supportive management of Williams and co. Berg has to put up with this numpty Shabby whose only plan is to shoot his mouth off and increase his profile back home.
Berg has a very delicate balance to make, only when he gets the team into shape can he take on Shabby who seems to have the ear of the Venkys. There has to be a eventual parting of the ways.
If - not at this rate - but if Rovers make it back in year one, I can see that loon Shabby and the Venkys staying on to milk the situation of being in the Premiership.
At least give Berg a break and see what he makes of the team.

I thought it was Ince who came after Sparky, and that Hughes inherited Souness' lot

77'sss wrote:
Isn't it time we give a few of our squad players a go in the team and it might just give a kick up the backside to some of our non performing players
How about this for a line up
Jake kean,,, Bruno Ribiero, Adam Henley,Nuno Henrique,Martin Olsson
Paulo Jorge ,,Diogo rosado,,Rahim Hanley,,Fabio Nunes
Jordan Rhodes, Ruben Rochina
Give them 3 games then take stock of the situation
We haven't played well in any games
So why not give em a chance