Blackburn Rovers blog: Time Venky's told the fans what's going on (From Lancashire Telegraph)

iv also read that steve kean is leaving because he has to much to do and is getting no help and no transfer funds

Good that the LET is running this article at last - but they need to follow it up and get a reporter on a plane to Pune, India now - for a face to face interview with our owners. I know there are telephones and satellite con calls but this needs to be done in person.

I dont think Kean would walk away from the job, not after taking so much stick for so long for being manager.....

answers answers answers....now!

It is a sad fact that, in this day and age of wealthy TV deals and sponsorship, the importance of fans to a club has diminished considerably.

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The fans are the ones who feel most deeply the passion, excitement, embarassment and even shame that attach themselves to a football club from time to time and they carry the greastest burden when things are going badly.

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The sense of frustration amongst fans posting on here is palpable and is increasingly being expressed in angry tones.

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Whilst my own view is tempered by a decision I made ages ago to give the owners until the end of August, as I cannot see any merit in pre-judging the situation when we do not have any facts, I can thoroughly understand those fans who feel neglected by the Club's new owners.

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It is naive to expect the owners to make public their financial affairs but the lack of appointments to key positions at the Club at a critical time of pre-season is a major concern.

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Whilst Steve Kean has many detractors, somewhat unfairly in my opinion, the possibility of him leaving the Club now and leaving us without any management is a truly frightening one as we would not attract any applications for the post as long as the capability of the owners to deliver on their promises, even the more recent, more modest ones, remains in doubt.

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Even ignoring the despair of the fans at the current, apparent state-of-affairs, it is vital for the well-being of the Club that the owners make funds available to give Steve Kean the backroom staff he needs to do the job they have appointed him to do.

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Beyond this the playing staff needs several additions before the end of the transfer window. The appointment of staff to assist Kean is the more urgent need however.

The problem is, Andy, when Venky's do say anything, no one wants to listen and take it at face value. Everything is twisted to portray them in a negative light and serve as 'proof' that they don't know what they are doing. The club put up a statement on their website yesterday explaining as much as they could about the transfer policy. Instead of calming fans down, as I'm sure it was intended to do, it lead to further questions and complaints. So what can they say to people who don't want to believe them?

It would be brilliant if kean walks away, the idiot has no clue. Bring back mark hughes

Madari the snake charmer says:

In a sentence:`Dispatches
-channel 4,last night`!!!!

KEAN OUT...........OF HIS DEPTH!! HE'S GOT TO GO...NOW!! TAKE YOUR PR DEPT WITH YOU ON THE WAY OUT!!

Rumours are rife that Kean has been removed after a major fallout with Kentaro and the owners. Dont know if there is any substance in it, Probably just another load of bull honkey.

Morning fellow confused/bemused/fru
strated Rovers fans. Not posted for a while because the negativity had become boring...

I make no apologies for giving Venkys the benefit of the doubt from the off, why would I do otherwise?

As far as I was concerned they invested money to buy the club when no one else would, they were approved by John Williams and the Trust so the initial unfounded scepticism in some sections of our support was in my view, based on nothing but ignorance. However, having watched and waited for:

A Chairman or a Chief Executive
Shirt sponsor
A decent signing or three...

Only for none of them to materialise so far I'm now afraid to say, cynical about the chances of any of them turning up.

The Rovers Board statement yesterday was vague and slightly insulting - Rovers fans are a patient lot so the request for us to be more so was slightly disingenuous - I also didn't like it's attempt to lower expectations - after being boosted by the noises coming out of Kean at the end of last season - to now only expect two players. Possibly.

I've read the rumours going around and don't actually believe them for various reasons already mentioned by others - however whatever is currently going on at Ewood or has happened, something stinks to high heaven and I don't like it.

Over to you Smelly - et al.

The LT putting on a bit of pressure at last? I don't know what to think anymore - the clowns should never have got within sniffing distance of our club!

Perhaps Venkys were right in getting rid of John Williams after all. He was the one that was overseeing this lot from the start. Kean...GET OUT!!

Rover the Top wrote:
The problem is, Andy, when Venky's do say anything, no one wants to listen and take it at face value. Everything is twisted to portray them in a negative light and serve as 'proof' that they don't know what they are doing. The club put up a statement on their website yesterday explaining as much as they could about the transfer policy. Instead of calming fans down, as I'm sure it was intended to do, it lead to further questions and complaints. So what can they say to people who don't want to believe them?

A couple of suggestions as to what they could say:

"At 12 o'oclock today Blackburn Rovers new proven 10-15 goal Premiership striker will be presented to the press at Ewood Park"

"Blackburn Rovers are pleased to announce the appointment of a proven, successful, trophy-winning manager. He will be given full control over team affairs and the last word on potential sigings."

Never take on a battle you haven't already won. LET's stance suggests there's a big announcement about the management and the ownership of the club in the next 24hrs.

My opinion on what this might be:

1. Mark Hughes to return as manager? Absolutely out of the question. Story is a fantasy. No manager, especially not Hughes, would go near a Venky's owned Rovers. I would fall off my chair if this happened.

2. Kean to walk out/get the sack?
Possible. Kean must feel very alone right now. He can't buy the players he wants, and he's not got a team around him to provide the range of support he needs. To salvage his reputation(!), he could walk away. Also the trip to India must be a very sore point. It is a long way to travel, and in footballing terms, a waste of time as it's hardly a place to play competitive pre-season football.

3. A takeover.
I think this is quite likely. Venky's are stalling on transfers, which suggests any movement of assets has been temporarily frozen. The sale of Phil Jones just about covers their overdraft to the bank, so selling the club at a healthy profit would make business sense. However, perhaps the bank story has been purposefully released by Venky's to account for the transfer policy while negotiations carry on in secret with a buyer for the club.

But, more importantly, Venky's seem only now to realise the complexity of running a successful football team. Maybe they thought buying Rovers was a profit making venture, and maybe they will make a profit, but what they didn't realise is football is high, high risk with a complexity far beyond running poultry manufacturing.

Venky's out? Kean out? Hughes in?! By tomorrow I think we'll finally know the answer.

OnePostThenTheOther wrote:

Rover the Top wrote:
The problem is, Andy, when Venky's do say anything, no one wants to listen and take it at face value. Everything is twisted to portray them in a negative light and serve as 'proof' that they don't know what they are doing. The club put up a statement on their website yesterday explaining as much as they could about the transfer policy. Instead of calming fans down, as I'm sure it was intended to do, it lead to further questions and complaints. So what can they say to people who don't want to believe them?

A couple of suggestions as to what they could say:

"At 12 o'oclock today Blackburn Rovers new proven 10-15 goal Premiership striker will be presented to the press at Ewood Park"

"Blackburn Rovers are pleased to announce the appointment of a proven, successful, trophy-winning manager. He will be given full control over team affairs and the last word on potential sigings."

I actually meant what can they say that might be TRUE...

Hughes and his team need a route back into professional football quickly or risk being the forgotten men of the Premiership. He knows the club, most of the players and lives just down the road. I don't think Hughes coming back is just pie in the sky. If he brought Bellamy/Bentley/Warn
ock back in the interim (not much on transfer costs)...and got the best out of RSC (if he could get him on a free) then I think that would be a result.

are u all for real? when venkys first came and talked about ronaldinho u were telling them to shut up. now they are keeping quiet you want them to speak up. make your minds up!
if they say something ambitious you ridicule them. if they do the sensible thing... such as the board message on the brfc site yesterday then you also ridicule them.
what did you expect, a full statement on how many gold coins they have in the bank!
just be patient. most of your worries are based on rumours which are rubbish.

Hello. I think its a jolly shame that the Rovers' fans are being left in the dark, literally by the Venky's.

Perhaps they are putting their eggs in one nest...Blackburn Rovers Pune academy.

Your Nellie our Ryan has taken one of our young ones under his wing and he is mentoring him and also is getting a chance from Steve Kean.

His name is Tim Payne and he is currently a Junior All White team member and he's a promising forward and a standout Kiwi from the recent under-17 World Cup in Mexico.

He will fly to Lancashire in August, immediately after the under-20 World Cup in Colombia.

Unlike the majority of trialists who are only ever exposed to academy set-ups, Tim Payne, 17, will take to pre-season training with Blackburn's first team, under the eye of manager Steve Kean and beside the likes of All Whites captain Ryan Nelsen and Michel Salgado, who spent 10 seasons at Spanish giants Real Madrid.

This is what Tim said to one of our media outlets, "The opportunity I've got is really exciting, it's exceptional, and I'm looking forward to getting out there and training with the Blackburn squad," Payne told the Sunday Star-Times.

He's really excited about it but he has an international commitment first...Please welcome him, he's only 17..I still don't like Venky's and I still think they are wholly inappropriate football club owners...but its their money and their club.

Cheers.

Promises, promises, promises - thats all you get from this lot. However, I'm not surprised. Anyone know the season ticket sales?

Hello. I think its a jolly shame that the Rovers' fans are being left in the dark, literally by the Venky's.

Perhaps they are putting their eggs in one nest...Blackburn Rovers Pune academy.

Your Nellie our Ryan has taken one of our young ones under his wing and he is mentoring him and also is getting a chance from Steve Kean.

His name is Tim Payne and he is currently a Junior All White team member and he's a promising forward and a standout Kiwi from the recent under-17 World Cup in Mexico.

He will fly to Lancashire in August, immediately after the under-20 World Cup in Colombia.

Unlike the majority of trialists who are only ever exposed to academy set-ups, Tim Payne, 17, will take to pre-season training with Blackburn's first team, under the eye of manager Steve Kean and beside the likes of All Whites captain Ryan Nelsen and Michel Salgado, who spent 10 seasons at Spanish giants Real Madrid.

This is what Tim said to one of our media outlets, "The opportunity I've got is really exciting, it's exceptional, and I'm looking forward to getting out there and training with the Blackburn squad," Payne told the Sunday Star-Times.

He's really excited about it but he has an international commitment first...Please welcome him, he's only 17..I still don't like Venky's and I still think they are wholly inappropriate football club owners...but its their money and their club.

Cheers.

Hello. I think its a jolly shame that the Rovers' fans are being left in the dark, literally by the Venky's.

Perhaps they are putting their eggs in one nest...Blackburn Rovers Pune academy.

Your Nellie our Ryan has taken one of our young ones under his wing and he is mentoring him and also is getting a chance from Steve Kean.

His name is Tim Payne and he is currently a Junior All White team member and he's a promising forward and a standout Kiwi from the recent under-17 World Cup in Mexico.

He will fly to Lancashire in August, immediately after the under-20 World Cup in Colombia.

Unlike the majority of trialists who are only ever exposed to academy set-ups, Tim Payne, 17, will take to pre-season training with Blackburn's first team, under the eye of manager Steve Kean and beside the likes of All Whites captain Ryan Nelsen and Michel Salgado, who spent 10 seasons at Spanish giants Real Madrid.

This is what Tim said to one of our media outlets, "The opportunity I've got is really exciting, it's exceptional, and I'm looking forward to getting out there and training with the Blackburn squad," Payne told the Sunday Star-Times.

He's really excited about it but he has an international commitment first...Please welcome him, he's only 17..I still don't like Venky's and I still think they are wholly inappropriate football club owners...but its their money and their club.

Cheers.

Thank you LET for at least running a more realistic story about the goings on at the club. All Rovers fans want is a bit of honesty/decency and we are all concerned for the long term health of the club. We don't just want money from the new owners - we're as interested in getting some heart and soul into the club - heart and soul that Jack Walker provided in spades. It's not surprising that we feel badly let down at the moment. Venky's have an awful lot to do. LET plse play your part!

Personally I think its a case of " third world mentality" which the owners are used to working too.Unfortunatly ( for them ) England is a first world country.Whilst I don`t mean it to sound like they are arrogant I do think Its a case of "Manana" they being big business owners are not used to having to account for there every move

Rover the Top wrote:

OnePostThenTheOther wrote:

Rover the Top wrote:
The problem is, Andy, when Venky's do say anything, no one wants to listen and take it at face value. Everything is twisted to portray them in a negative light and serve as 'proof' that they don't know what they are doing. The club put up a statement on their website yesterday explaining as much as they could about the transfer policy. Instead of calming fans down, as I'm sure it was intended to do, it lead to further questions and complaints. So what can they say to people who don't want to believe them?

A couple of suggestions as to what they could say:

"At 12 o'oclock today Blackburn Rovers new proven 10-15 goal Premiership striker will be presented to the press at Ewood Park"

"Blackburn Rovers are pleased to announce the appointment of a proven, successful, trophy-winning manager. He will be given full control over team affairs and the last word on potential sigings."

I actually meant what can they say that might be TRUE...

Well, indeed, that is the whole essence of saying things that people will believe, i.e. the statement needs to be true.

At the moment the evidence that Venkys don't know what they're doing far far outweighs the evidence that they do.

The season starts three weeks on Saturday. They have six weeks until the window shuts to ensure that we won't be playing with a squad weaker than that with which we finished last season. For 2 to 3 of those weeks our "manager" will be conducting transfer negotitions whilst on his travels in the far-east whilst simultaneously preparing the defence for his drink-driving charge.

However, I fear that even if Venkys do realise and admit to making a hash of things they won't have the ability, will or time to rectify the shambles that has been created at the club.

Personally, I think the final gambits by Venkys will be played out in the January transfer window, by which time, given all that we have witnessed so far, the club will be firmly rooted at/near the bottom of the table.

The imminent release of a picture of a premiership quality striker wearing the shirt or of a reputable manager shaking the chairman's hand should be enough to dispel any scepticism.

It is time for The Venkys and Kean to leave our club we are a laughing stock,Sunday league teams are run better.Funbus tours are willing to take over the reigns with Del-Boy appointed instantly as manager,that guy knows what he is doing.Wewant our club back FACT!

I dont know if you know or not but Venkys issued a statement yesterday on the rovers website asking fans for their patience!! Why does this newspaper continually make up consipracy theories about venkys, the manager and the players?? Im sick of reading on here the moaning fans about Kean..KEAN OUT KEAN OUT, have you heard yourself you bunch of morons! Ive been to every game under Sam and Kean and Kean plays far far far far far better football!! Give the bloke a chance!! people expect instant results, people are asking for hughes back, wtf?? he`s never gona come back get real! fulham fans were screaming for hughes`s head at fulham, after the same amount of losses as kean here at rovers, GET OF KEAN AND VENKYS BACK AND SUPPORT THE LADS!

DamienDuffsLeftFoot wrote:
are u all for real? when venkys first came and talked about ronaldinho u were telling them to shut up. now they are keeping quiet you want them to speak up. make your minds up!
if they say something ambitious you ridicule them. if they do the sensible thing... such as the board message on the brfc site yesterday then you also ridicule them.
what did you expect, a full statement on how many gold coins they have in the bank!
just be patient. most of your worries are based on rumours which are rubbish.

well said sir.
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there is so much rumour and conjecture at the moment, but to expect the owners to come on and provide a warts and all update on every issue is barmy old cack.
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i can understand the concerns, i really can, but we should not expect something that simply cannot be delivered.
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for me, there is a possility that some kind of adjustment in the overall ownership if the club could be in progress. but aside from that being a gut feel, there is nothing of certainty to back that feeling up. i therefore recognise that i may as well sit tight and see what transpires, as i cannot possibly affect the outcome. it would be nice if others did the same, rather than reacting so violently to things that they see as fact, when in actuality they are anything but that.

oh yea, ANDY CRYER, YOUR AN IDIOT

we have made a bid for honda and a young striker from P.N.E

Rickvtr wrote:
oh yea, ANDY CRYER, YOUR AN IDIOT

A word of advice. If you're going to call someone an idiot make sure you use correct English (else it makes you look even more like one).
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It should be "Cryer, you're an idiot".
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You're welcome.
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@LET & CRYER: Very impressed with todays article. Thank you for this. It's about time our local finally wrote an article saying it like it is.
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We NEED answers. Not vague PR statements. Are they leaving the club? Where's the Judas Jones money etc?
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If I were your editor I'd be tempted to put one of the LET reporters on a plane to India to get a sit down interview with Venkys.
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End of the day, it's surely in their best interests to put fans minds at rest, so why would they refuse an interview? And if they did refuse? Well that would be a statement in itself, right?
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Oh and Steve Kean fan club? Suck on this:
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D.K.O

Re. season ticket sales . You can log back onto the onerovers site and look at the stadium map now after all season tickets renewals and transfers have been completed - large areas of Riverside & Main Stand are available still . I think the map tells its own story - people are deciding to stay away .

A decent summing up of the issues by AC. I think fans who are being encouraged to buy season tickets, want to see the direction that the club is going in. There have been positive words, but the actions are almost all alarming.

Shoddy, poorly run and disrespectful to the fans! Can't believe I've said that about rovers! We are a laughing stock and I can only see us having a poor season thanks to these asset strippers!

I do not really understand why everyone blames Kean about this debacle.Kean is just a stooge and was handily placed when the board got shut of Sam who would not have stayed quiet in the present situation.Why do some of our more excitable fans think Mark Hughes would come back to this banana republic clun he left Fulham as he wanted a proper club and is ambitious so there is no way he could trust the Venkeys -Do you?

I was one of those who said give them time , they've had plenty , they said we had plenty of money , where is it ? It doesn't take this long to sign a player , they can only use so many excuses . Wiesel would have been ideal , apparently too expensive ( only for us ) . A club of our size unfortunately has to pay slightly more money for talent . We haven't got the pulling power of the mancs or London clubs . As plenty of others have said just be honest . If there's no money tell us we would have still been behind the club , all we ask for is the truth . Don't string us along at least we'd know what to expect .

Why hasn't John Williams or any others that have left the club come forward and explain the situation .

Venkys have said they won't comment on all press speculation but surely some things need commenting on . It's not hard to say yes we have money , we will spend it , and are awaiting players of quality to arrive ( and mean it ) , or tell us we only want free agents and cheap options .

Sorry the post is all over the place but I'm very frustrated ( as are most ) and my heads spinning . Please give us some clarity venkys

fitz808 wrote:

DamienDuffsLeftFoot wrote:
are u all for real? when venkys first came and talked about ronaldinho u were telling them to shut up. now they are keeping quiet you want them to speak up. make your minds up!
if they say something ambitious you ridicule them. if they do the sensible thing... such as the board message on the brfc site yesterday then you also ridicule them.
what did you expect, a full statement on how many gold coins they have in the bank!
just be patient. most of your worries are based on rumours which are rubbish.

well said sir.
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there is so much rumour and conjecture at the moment, but to expect the owners to come on and provide a warts and all update on every issue is barmy old cack.
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i can understand the concerns, i really can, but we should not expect something that simply cannot be delivered.
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for me, there is a possility that some kind of adjustment in the overall ownership if the club could be in progress. but aside from that being a gut feel, there is nothing of certainty to back that feeling up. i therefore recognise that i may as well sit tight and see what transpires, as i cannot possibly affect the outcome. it would be nice if others did the same, rather than reacting so violently to things that they see as fact, when in actuality they are anything but that.

PR...please ignore

PR...please ignore

Has BB24 any info , his last post was a little vague .

Dispatches on C4 last night could explain quite a lot.
Venkys were sold the dream that they could buy the club cheap and then would plough enough money in to get to Champions League football,within 2 years, then sell the club for a massive amount.
What they didn't look at was most clubs have a ground where high cost housing could be built if they moved to another site, but Ewood Park is in an area where housing would be cheap if even built at all.

Rovers can never be worth anymore than the £40 odd million they spent,bar player assets,due to no value in the actual ground itself.

If so Venkys are probably trying to get rid of their stake as fast as possible,because they hadn't realised that you still have to pay out wages for 3 months whilst the seasons finished and they are out about £12 million for that alone in running costs.

They would be lucky to make even half their money back now.

Sell, cutbacks, return loan players, replace highly paid staff with lower paid staff or not replaced at all. Etc etc………everythi
ng is being done on the cheap ………just looks like they’re running the club down or perhaps they see the way to run a successful business like their main business in the sub is to trim trim trim…..VENKYS it won’t work with a EPL club you’re in a different world…..wake up or sell up.

I am preparing the obituary now.... oh what a shambles...
I cant even get angry anymore...

The more I read about this situation the more I think that the word patience actually means that the Venkeys are attempting to restructure the club's debt.The overdraft is supposedly secured against the land etc at Brockhall but why is it not a term loan rather than a trading overdraft? Sounds to me like the have a large cash flow problem as less comes in than goes out at the end of a season.I just wonder what their business interests are actually worth?Maybe if it is all refinanced via an Indian bank they may have sufficient funds available to buy the two essential players to give us half a chance of staying up.

At the moment the whole set up of the club seems to be in shambles and being run by people who maybe have money at the forefront of their minds as opposed to the good of the football.

The fans want to see the club run properly and pushing forward for the new season. Our squad is depleted and needs new signings. Not just one midfielder and a striker, we also need a top quality defender or two if Samba leaves as well.

The constant speculation over possible transfers is terrible. Why is it so hard to sign a freebie? Steve Kean seems to have all these targets but not the support from the board. I have supported Rovers for the last 19 years but this is probably the worst I have felt about the club. I am genuinely worried about the upcoming season!

BY THE LOOKS OF THINGS AND THE STATEMENTS, IF I AM CORRECT IN READING BETWEEN THE LINES AFTER LAST SATURDAY'S GAMES, ANDY MUST HAVE HAD SOME TIME WITH STEVE AND HE MUST HAVE POURED OUT SOME COLD FACTS THAT ANDY DID NOT WANT TO HEAR OR AT THE MOMENT WRITE ABOUT..
KEAN HAS NO ONE BUT HIMSELF TO BLAME FOR STICKING HIS TONGUE SO FAR UP HIS BOSSES REAR HE HAS TROUBLE PULLING IT OUT.. LIKE A PUPPET ON A STRING LOOKING FOR FAME HE RAN ALONG WITH HIS OWN IDEAS, THINKING HE IS ONTO SOMETHING BIG, HE WANTS OUT BUT CAN'T,,BECAUSE HALF OF THIS SHOW IS HIS, AND ONLY HIS MAKINGS... TALK OF CHAMPIONS LEAGUE BEFORE HAVING THE FINANCES TO BUY A HALF DECENT PLAYER HAS STUCK HIM UP!!
IT LOOKS LIKE THE INDIANS ARE HERE PRIMARILY TO MAKE MONEY.. "AND ADVERTISE THEIR PRIMARY BRAND NAME"..
NOT TO KEEP THE CLUB AFLOAT OR IN THE PREMIERSHIP,
MAYBE EVEN TO SELL PLAYERS OFF RECOUP THEIR OWN PAYMENTS AND SAY GOODBYE..
HIS DIFFERENCES WITH PLAYERS NOW HAVE TO ALSO BE LOOKED AT,, LIKE NIKO.. HE NEEDS PLAYERS AND HIS DREAM AND HIS PATIENCE IS RUNNING THIN WHAT HE NEEDS IS HELP FROM THE NEW OWNERS ALL HE IS GETTING IS THE SAME OLD STORY..AND HIS AGENTS WHO ARE THE REAL PEOPLE WHO HAVE STITCHED HIM UP ARE ATTEMPTING DEALS TO ONLY HELP THEIR CAUSE AND THE INDIANS HAVE QUICKLY READ INTO THIS ALSO..

Rickvtr wrote:
oh yea, ANDY CRYER, YOUR AN IDIOT

Not as big an idiot as you.

Can't even get angry anymore.
Venkys have been a disaster from day one. True, they have been badly advised by agents, but they have been so far removed from reality they have swallowed anything that was told to them. Beyond this, it is clear that they simply cannot be trusted. They have lied time & again, changing their stories & claims at the drop of a hat. Their apologists have often put this down to "cultural differences" or "miscommunication"- it isn't, it's deliberate & underhand.
Kean is now exposed as being completely out of his depth, which was clear from day one. He is a joke, & unfortunately, so are Rovers under Venkys.
I don't know where we go from here, but even the "give 'em time" & "better than under John Williams" brigade must now have the gumption to see that we're in an awful, awful mess.

One fears there must be an element of truth in the rumours re Rovers and lack of finance otherwise Venkys would surely have vehemntly denied it
A Bank Mortgage unlike an overdraft is normally only repayable on demand if the borrower defaults on the agreed terms. If they have sort short term funding (overdraft) for long term debt they have only themselves to blame.
Where does that leave Rovers - a weaker squad than last year struggling to attract players at a price they can afford.
Come clean Venkys and to the Telegraph start investigating rather than writing a blog. The only winner so far I can see is Sam (presumably he got his pay off) and Phil Jones who will be at a properly run club in the future.

ANDY CRYER: Terrific article, absolutely spot on and very well balanced. Excellent reporting.
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VENKY'S: Time to show some 'balls' as we say in England (and I'm not being racist). Get this sorted before you destroy one of the founder members of the Football League and the EPL.
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If you screw up our club, me and many thousands more will continually do anything in our power to destabilise your empire. Venky's name will be tarnished as being the people who couldn't manage a football club, who couldn't run a pi$$ up in a brewery (not that you'd know what that means)
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I am worried. I don't like the idea of the prospect of relegation from the EPL.
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I don't like the thought there may not be a BRFC in the future cos you're not really understanding what BRFC is, and what it means and what it stands for. If you've got yourselves into a situation that you now regret..... talk to us. We want to help.
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This is our club. We love it. What's the equivalent in India? I don't know. Tendulkar, Gaviskar? They are icons, so are BRFC.
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Do not destroy Blackburn Rovers.
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Remember, what comes round, goes round. KARMA, it happens.

Well I'm intrigued to read what the telegraph prints tomorrow. Andy Cryer says Kean has calmed a few things down a bit, I fear its more tactics trying to placate the fans. Unless some hard facts, with something to back them up, are stated I'm really not interested. I just don't think saying we have a couple of bids in will cut the mustard. To be fair though, Kean should not be answering these questions. I can't believe how much this situation has snowballed and if there is no truth, Venky's should have released a short statement saying so and then got their arses in a plane over here to fully explain what's going on. Kean has not got the respect of the fans enough to be answering very important questions. How can he? The man has talked so much garbage so far, how can anyone believe what he says? I'm waiting with bated breath (sigh), again. Now where's that prescription, I bloody well need it!

One simple question - Are Blackburn Rovers FC in a healthier position than they were 12 months ago?

I think the key words here are "asset" and "stripping."

Also, Blackburn's new signing has had a rather underwhelming arrival. Not too surprising that Jerome Anderson's son has slotted in with minimal fuss.

Finally, those of you who are pointing fingers at John Williams should hang your heads in shame.....unbelievab
le! (shakes head)

Darren Aires wrote:
One simple question - Are Blackburn Rovers FC in a healthier position than they were 12 months ago?

I think the key words here are "asset" and "stripping."

Also, Blackburn's new signing has had a rather underwhelming arrival. Not too surprising that Jerome Anderson's son has slotted in with minimal fuss.

Finally, those of you who are pointing fingers at John Williams should hang your heads in shame.....unbelievab

le! (shakes head)

writing as a morecambe fan living in blackburn i really do feel sorry for the true working class rovers fans. it must be very worrying to see the demise of your club thro no fault of their own. i know what it is like working for a firm with indian owners.all they can se is money and making a quick buck.believe me i think venkys could not believe their luck buying rovers for such a paltry sum.selling brfcs assets will be their no 1 priority and reducing outgoings the second - ie reduce playing staff backroom staff as quickly as possible appoint a yes man at the helm.
16.5 for jones 12.0 for samba 2/4 million for kalinic job done.bringing in youth players to first team squad will be next. good in theory but will never work in the cut throat premier league.the only way out brfs fans is to protest in force or hope that the walkers will see sense and buy the club back for their fathers sake. sorry but i do not think this will happen see you at the globe in 2/3 seasons

Dr.alan79 wrote:
Well I'm intrigued to read what the telegraph prints tomorrow. Andy Cryer says Kean has calmed a few things down a bit, I fear its more tactics trying to placate the fans. Unless some hard facts, with something to back them up, are stated I'm really not interested. I just don't think saying we have a couple of bids in will cut the mustard. To be fair though, Kean should not be answering these questions. I can't believe how much this situation has snowballed and if there is no truth, Venky's should have released a short statement saying so and then got their arses in a plane over here to fully explain what's going on. Kean has not got the respect of the fans enough to be answering very important questions. How can he? The man has talked so much garbage so far, how can anyone believe what he says? I'm waiting with bated breath (sigh), again. Now where's that prescription, I bloody well need it!

Totally agree with you Dr. I think you've followed the same path as I in the past few weeks.
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I was worried, but prepared to give Venkys the benefit of the doubt and wait till the close of the window.
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But things are really escalating now, I think having difficulties sealing a free transfer (FREE) with a player who wanted to join us was my final straw.
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We have £16.5m + for Jones. We have been promised "signings that would excited the fans" and "a marquee signing", "Champions League football in 4 years time", "the healthiest transfer warchest in our history".
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... and what have we got? Benjani... Myles Anderson, Hoilett still not re-signed, and NO solid transfer activity.
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I'm disgusted and that lame vague middle management bs press release was the final straw yesterday.
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If we are not given any decent players this summer we face the very real prospect of relegation. Our squad has not been this thin for 10 years.
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If things stay the same we may have to use our first home game of the season to protest Venkys and get them the hell out of our club. It's time to wake up. We can't let these cowboys destroy our club, we have to stick up for Rovers ourselves because god knows the media won't.
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I still have 15% belief in Venkys. I'm not closing the door on them turning this around, but I'm very close to doing so.
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DONUT KEAN AND VENKYS OUT

Can anybody clear up a point for me.do venkys own Brockall or is it rented from the Walker Trust

eddie the eagle wrote:
Can anybody clear up a point for me.do venkys own Brockall or is it rented from the Walker Trust

its a very good question and i have heard contrasting answers from all sorts of people.
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When people talk about "asset stripping" its the only major asset that is/was in rovers' asset register.
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with jones gone and samba seemingly on his way, that will amount to a total of around £28m - which is well south of the £43-46m reputedly paid (inc debt).
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realitically hoilett is too soon in his playing career and is not worth any more than £5m, n,zonzi you could get a bob or two for and then there is not much coin in the rest of the side.
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in terms of bricks n mortar plus grass - ewood park is practically worthless and only suitable for a small low-mid price housing estate - no supermarket would buy it cos the access is dreadful and all supermarkets (ex sainsbury's) are already in blackburn.......the ONLY real piece of value is Brockhall. If Venkys do not own this - then I can't see how they would ever make a decent return on Rovers without investing heavily in the infrastructure (ie players) in the short to medium term.
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As it stands Rovers is worth less today than last november - purely cos we have lost Jones and the team is a year older and not any better (apart from hoilett)
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so if they are as some think keen on asset stripping - then i think that the walker trust has sold them a puppy.
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and as for those are worried about dispatches on monday night it featured a drunk bryan robson and some daft thais who were making prepostrous claims that ferguson was "my brother" - much the same as what you could see mad drunks claiming down the local on a friday night.
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sec word - "many-down" which is a bit worrying

hasslem hasslem wrote:

eddie the eagle wrote:
Can anybody clear up a point for me.do venkys own Brockall or is it rented from the Walker Trust

its a very good question and i have heard contrasting answers from all sorts of people.
.
When people talk about "asset stripping" its the only major asset that is/was in rovers' asset register.
.
with jones gone and samba seemingly on his way, that will amount to a total of around £28m - which is well south of the £43-46m reputedly paid (inc debt).
.
realitically hoilett is too soon in his playing career and is not worth any more than £5m, n,zonzi you could get a bob or two for and then there is not much coin in the rest of the side.
.
in terms of bricks n mortar plus grass - ewood park is practically worthless and only suitable for a small low-mid price housing estate - no supermarket would buy it cos the access is dreadful and all supermarkets (ex sainsbury's) are already in blackburn.......the ONLY real piece of value is Brockhall. If Venkys do not own this - then I can't see how they would ever make a decent return on Rovers without investing heavily in the infrastructure (ie players) in the short to medium term.
.
As it stands Rovers is worth less today than last november - purely cos we have lost Jones and the team is a year older and not any better (apart from hoilett)
.
so if they are as some think keen on asset stripping - then i think that the walker trust has sold them a puppy.
.
and as for those are worried about dispatches on monday night it featured a drunk bryan robson and some daft thais who were making prepostrous claims that ferguson was "my brother" - much the same as what you could see mad drunks claiming down the local on a friday night.
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sec word - "many-down" which is a bit worrying

I hardly think they got sold a "puppy".

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They effectively bought a Premier League club (guaranteed £40M+ TV income), a 31,000 all seater stadium and a massive training academy for the equivalent of £14M minus Phil Jones and Samba (not to mention the money they would get for Hoilett, Robinson and Nzonzi etc). What planet are you on Mr PR man??

smellthecoffee wrote:

hasslem hasslem wrote:

eddie the eagle wrote:
Can anybody clear up a point for me.do venkys own Brockall or is it rented from the Walker Trust

its a very good question and i have heard contrasting answers from all sorts of people.
.
When people talk about "asset stripping" its the only major asset that is/was in rovers' asset register.
.
with jones gone and samba seemingly on his way, that will amount to a total of around £28m - which is well south of the £43-46m reputedly paid (inc debt).
.
realitically hoilett is too soon in his playing career and is not worth any more than £5m, n,zonzi you could get a bob or two for and then there is not much coin in the rest of the side.
.
in terms of bricks n mortar plus grass - ewood park is practically worthless and only suitable for a small low-mid price housing estate - no supermarket would buy it cos the access is dreadful and all supermarkets (ex sainsbury's) are already in blackburn.......the ONLY real piece of value is Brockhall. If Venkys do not own this - then I can't see how they would ever make a decent return on Rovers without investing heavily in the infrastructure (ie players) in the short to medium term.
.
As it stands Rovers is worth less today than last november - purely cos we have lost Jones and the team is a year older and not any better (apart from hoilett)
.
so if they are as some think keen on asset stripping - then i think that the walker trust has sold them a puppy.
.
and as for those are worried about dispatches on monday night it featured a drunk bryan robson and some daft thais who were making prepostrous claims that ferguson was "my brother" - much the same as what you could see mad drunks claiming down the local on a friday night.
.
sec word - "many-down" which is a bit worrying

I hardly think they got sold a "puppy".

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They effectively bought a Premier League club (guaranteed £40M+ TV income), a 31,000 all seater stadium and a massive training academy for the equivalent of £14M minus Phil Jones and Samba (not to mention the money they would get for Hoilett, Robinson and Nzonzi etc). What planet are you on Mr PR man??

why dont you just fu ck off - where have i been benevolent to venkys in this contribution.
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venkys paid a reported £43-46m for the club dependent on which medium you choose to read/watch/listen to.
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hoilett at this stage is worth no more than £5m
robinson is in his 30s - how much did we pay for him? and he is now 3 seasons older.
n,zonzi - good player but no more than £3m coshe is now on a shortish contract.
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who wants to buy our training academy?
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what use is a 30k stadium in blackburn - apart from a local football team - who would be able to find a use for it.
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i despise every sinew of your pathetic emaciated body......why dont you grow some? you are a vile disgusting piece of work - now go put your face down in the sewer again.

ChrisSutton wrote:

Dr.alan79 wrote: Well I'm intrigued to read what the telegraph prints tomorrow. Andy Cryer says Kean has calmed a few things down a bit, I fear its more tactics trying to placate the fans. Unless some hard facts, with something to back them up, are stated I'm really not interested. I just don't think saying we have a couple of bids in will cut the mustard. To be fair though, Kean should not be answering these questions. I can't believe how much this situation has snowballed and if there is no truth, Venky's should have released a short statement saying so and then got their arses in a plane over here to fully explain what's going on. Kean has not got the respect of the fans enough to be answering very important questions. How can he? The man has talked so much garbage so far, how can anyone believe what he says? I'm waiting with bated breath (sigh), again. Now where's that prescription, I bloody well need it!

Totally agree with you Dr. I think you've followed the same path as I in the past few weeks. . I was worried, but prepared to give Venkys the benefit of the doubt and wait till the close of the window. . But things are really escalating now, I think having difficulties sealing a free transfer (FREE) with a player who wanted to join us was my final straw. . We have £16.5m + for Jones. We have been promised "signings that would excited the fans" and "a marquee signing", "Champions League football in 4 years time", "the healthiest transfer warchest in our history". . ... and what have we got? Benjani... Myles Anderson, Hoilett still not re-signed, and NO solid transfer activity. . I'm disgusted and that lame vague middle management bs press release was the final straw yesterday. . If we are not given any decent players this summer we face the very real prospect of relegation. Our squad has not been this thin for 10 years. . If things stay the same we may have to use our first home game of the season to protest Venkys and get them the hell out of our club. It's time to wake up. We can't let these cowboys destroy our club, we have to stick up for Rovers ourselves because god knows the media won't. . I still have 15% belief in Venkys. I'm not closing the door on them turning this around, but I'm very close to doing so. . DONUT KEAN AND VENKYS OUT

DCSO
doughnut chris sutton out,
We must do this, we must do that, blah blah blah, wheres your minerals man, have you not got any
Right at the very beginning I remember it well, you used to say Venky's out Kean out. Then you just changed it to Kean. Now you've gone back, my question to you is this.
Have you always been a turncoat with no backbone?
Changed sides more times than the mujahdeen. Always on here preaching like your the oracle, mr one true supporter, well you aint, you too easily turned for me.
No we don't need to listen to people with no minerals, who change there stance/side with every press release. Where are the men with some boll@x round here. Never mind saying I'm still with venky's 15% just in case you have to change sides again, why don't you just try shutting the f@ck up instead. It works for me!
DCSO