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10:10am Tuesday 6th December 2011 in Blackburn Rovers blogs
By Dan Clough, Reporter
HOW good does it feel to get three points? It’s something I have not been accustomed to in recent weeks, but it certainly boosted my weekend.
It’s about time things went our way, and long may it continue.
One thing is certain, however. It will take a heck of a lot more for the fans to accept Steve Kean as manager.
To be fair, he has a point when he questions the protests. Having won, quite emphatically, we should have just gone on our merry way and enjoyed a successful Saturday.
And it is clear that, for all his failings, Kean has one major achievement, and that was bringing in Yakubu – a real goal machine. Everton fans, and David Moyes, must be sick.
But the win, which lifted us off the bottom of the league but still leaves us looking precarious, just papers over a few cracks.
The manager may have been surprised to be booed after ‘guiding’ his team to the victory, but realistically we have to beat Swansea at home. Anything less would not be acceptable.
I’m not going to condone booing during the game when we are winning. But that’s just me. I’ve criticised just about everyone at this football club in recent weeks, and I’ve taken my fair share of stick for it. But I stand by my opinions, and my right to hold them.
I may disagree with the booing, but I do understand it.
There’s still a long way to go before we are safe, and many fans, myself included, would question whether, with Kean in charge, we will keep picking up enough points.
The fact of the matter is that the atmosphere at the club right now is horrible. The fans are not happy. And it’s the fans that matter. Without fans, there’s no club. Simple.
I am certain that a new manager would have a huge impact, both on the pitch and off it.
The club needs a lift. The sort of lift that came from Sam Allardyce’s appointment as successor to Paul Ince.
That 3-0 win against Stoke provided such relief for the fans who had watched the Rovers slide into the mire.
We have been a laughing stock, but there is apparent nationwide sympathy towards us as supporters.
Nobody likes to see proud football clubs being systematically destroyed by new owners. But that is what is happening at Ewood.
Comments(48)
NickH1982
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10:31am Tue 6 Dec 11
Rover Pete
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11:03am Tue 6 Dec 11
downinthedumps
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11:09am Tue 6 Dec 11
mr smooth
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11:14am Tue 6 Dec 11
J.C - Rishton
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11:16am Tue 6 Dec 11
downinthedumps wrote:spot on - the campain should focus on Venkys - the longer they stay the more dire our situation will be.
Venky's remain the big problem and it is them who should be targetted - the rest will follow form there.
matt00
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11:21am Tue 6 Dec 11
RobbyRover
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11:22am Tue 6 Dec 11
OnePostThenTheOther
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12:06pm Tue 6 Dec 11
kevh69
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12:18pm Tue 6 Dec 11
kevh69
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12:23pm Tue 6 Dec 11
ossyrover1
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12:24pm Tue 6 Dec 11
owd nick
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12:53pm Tue 6 Dec 11
Rover Pete wrote:Pete, no one is saying we should be praising Kean at all, he makes a rod for his own back with his irritating comments and because of that continually aggravates the situation with the boo boys.
One win against Swansea was very welcome. But why should we praise Kean?
We won against a team who were about as good/bad as us, we should have got something from that game. How many times do we have to tell Kean and the Venky's that he is simple not good enough. His record is absolutely appaling. When he can show us he has any technical ability to change a match. He still persisted with bringing on Roberts, why? when he has the present Scotland striker that he bought sitting on the bench. How can he ever improve.
makaveli96
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12:55pm Tue 6 Dec 11
PaulRK wrote:Lets be fair hes no Peter White!
Who is this moron?
matt00
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1:21pm Tue 6 Dec 11
owd nick wrote:You do concede that he makes irritating comments and seem to acknowledge our owners are cranks. So can I ask do you think Kean is the right man for the job? Even if you do think he is would you not prefer a better manager? If you don’t think Kean should be the manager then how would you as a fan try and influence his sacking?
Rover Pete wrote:Pete, no one is saying we should be praising Kean at all, he makes a rod for his own back with his irritating comments and because of that continually aggravates the situation with the boo boys.
One win against Swansea was very welcome. But why should we praise Kean?
We won against a team who were about as good/bad as us, we should have got something from that game. How many times do we have to tell Kean and the Venky's that he is simple not good enough. His record is absolutely appaling. When he can show us he has any technical ability to change a match. He still persisted with bringing on Roberts, why? when he has the present Scotland striker that he bought sitting on the bench. How can he ever improve.
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The sad fact of life is that if Rovers won the next 10 games the boo boys would still want Kean out, because they hate him with a vengeance and they are blinded by that hate.
.
In nearly 40 years of supporting Rovers I have never, ever been as angry with any group of fans than I was on Saturday with our boo boys, in fact were it not for my daughter and two real supporters preventing me I would have brained one of the snotty little clowns.
.
And this is what it is coming to.
.
We have so called owners who really don't give any indication as to knowing what they are doing.
.
We have a "manager" who appears to have the best of intentions but puts his foot in it every time he opens his mouth.
.
And worse of all we have fans with differing views who are now at each others throats.
.
Personally I have nothing against the protesters, I know they care about my club as much as I do and are deeply concerned about the direction it appears to be going, as I am.
.
But I go to Ewood to watch my team play football, not to watch pointless demonstrations, listen to negative chants, and certainly not to listen to our own players being abused because they support our "manager".
.
There is a time and place for demonstrations, that is not before or during the game because that gives our opponents a lift, something we cannot afford to do.
.
And to demonstrate when we are winning, I have to ask where is the sense in that?
.
Rovers need our support whether Kean remains manager or not, the demonstrators albeit with the best intentions, have created this rift between the supporters, they have to look for ways to repair it.
.
Otherwise the all pervading negative atmosphere will damage our teams fragile confidence and the protesters will have contributed to their self fulfilling prophecy.
samblue
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1:22pm Tue 6 Dec 11
hasslem hasslem
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1:51pm Tue 6 Dec 11
makaveli96 wrote:think you will find that it was dan clough writing his "25 questions that we need answers from venkys" in 4,000 holes before the end of last season that was ahead of the game from the likes of many who comment on here.
PaulRK wrote:Lets be fair hes no Peter White!
Who is this moron?
noddymcleod
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2:15pm Tue 6 Dec 11
makaveli96
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2:35pm Tue 6 Dec 11
hasslem hasslem wrote:But can he really be compared to the greats of the Citizen era - Harold, Gregg, Steve Tinniswood etc...
makaveli96 wrote:think you will find that it was dan clough writing his "25 questions that we need answers from venkys" in 4,000 holes before the end of last season that was ahead of the game from the likes of many who comment on here.PaulRK wrote: Who is this moron?Lets be fair hes no Peter White!
makaveli96
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2:58pm Tue 6 Dec 11
makaveli96
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3:00pm Tue 6 Dec 11
makaveli96
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3:01pm Tue 6 Dec 11
makaveli96
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3:03pm Tue 6 Dec 11
makaveli96
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3:05pm Tue 6 Dec 11
makaveli96
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3:07pm Tue 6 Dec 11
makaveli96
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3:08pm Tue 6 Dec 11
makaveli96
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3:09pm Tue 6 Dec 11
Morst The 88th Min Heartbreaker of Dingles!
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3:10pm Tue 6 Dec 11
makaveli96
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3:11pm Tue 6 Dec 11
RoversLoyal
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3:38pm Tue 6 Dec 11
matt00 wrote:Well said. the fickle fans are the happy-clappy evangelical's that came crawling out from under their rocks (like Clough) as soon as Rovers get 3 points (after conceding yet again 2 goals at home) - the protesters that continue to protest despite a lucky win are showing consitency.
“Having won, quite emphatically, we should have just gone on our merry way and enjoyed a successful Saturday.”
No no no no no no no no no no no no no no NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Don’t be silly Dan this is your typical fickle fan reaction. If fans left everyone would have said these fans are so fickle one win at home vs. a promoted side and they are all happy. Protesting emphasises the fact we will not be won round by one win and are still far from happy. Statistically we will win every now and again but LONG TERM Kean WILL take us down.
One swallow does not make a summer. Well not for everyone.
The atmos isn’t pleasant at the moment but that can all be changed with one phone call from the Venkys saying “Steve clear out your desk we are going to see how things go with an actual manager”
RoversLoyal
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3:47pm Tue 6 Dec 11
noddymcleod wrote:I found myself in the position of wanting Ropvers to lose on Saturday. That is how much this despicable Jock Kean and the hapless Venky's along with their lickpsittle Roberts are hated by me.
Now the national press has joined in with a line of what bad fans we have after booing a goal and there's some sympathy among the mediocre tame pundits and managers for "one-of-us" Steve doing his best, deserving a chance etc.
The simple truth is the lack of sympathy is entirely due to Kean who firstly jumped at the chance to replace a manager who whilst not playing sparkling footie was delivering, and how deeply Kean was implicated in the plot to oust Sam remains a suspicion.
Kean has since then alienated many fans by his non-stop delusional blatherings about Top Ten, Europe, entertaining football. He has never said something concilatory, like " I can understand the fans disappointment" but says ludicrous immature things like "I see no aeroplane"
The fans would respect Kean if he just kept his mouth shut and let the results do the talking.
Despite the win which I thoroughly welcomed and cheered, we won against a team with a poor away record and we played hoof ball and not the flowing footie promised by Kean and given as an excuse for getting rid of Sam.
Rovers are on course for relegation and I shall continue cheering every goal and win and even draw under the cisrcumstances - but don't ask me to give Kean a "chance"
RoversLoyal
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3:51pm Tue 6 Dec 11
hasslem hasslem wrote:Dan Clough is a priiiiiiick.
makaveli96 wrote:think you will find that it was dan clough writing his "25 questions that we need answers from venkys" in 4,000 holes before the end of last season that was ahead of the game from the likes of many who comment on here.
PaulRK wrote:Lets be fair hes no Peter White!
Who is this moron?
RoversLoyal
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3:57pm Tue 6 Dec 11
kevh69 wrote:Well said... the vast majority of fans want these sheisters, pirates and bandits out of our club.
Great atmosphere when we stood up singing "stand up if you want kean out", more people singing together at ewood than i have seen for a while (apart from when we score).”
Ooops
Rod of the Rovers
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4:25pm Tue 6 Dec 11
stick to football
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4:42pm Tue 6 Dec 11
SteveinNYC
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6:23pm Tue 6 Dec 11
roverinmanchstr
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9:40pm Tue 6 Dec 11
Morst The 88th Min Heartbreaker of Dingles! wrote:Venky's have one Realistic solution and that is for them to get out and leave............The
Not far from my thoughts Dan. . Keeping Kean puts us at great risk of relegation whilst bringing in a new man would untie everyone and give the place a lift. . We have to be honest - the "Kean Out" chant was sung by a lot of fans on Saturday - enough to know unless Kean wins 6 on the bounce (no chance!) the bad atmosphere will damage our club. . That is why the Venkys have only one realistic solution - a new manager. . 33rd.....
owd nick
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11:17pm Tue 6 Dec 11
matt00 wrote:I have already conceded that Kean makes irritating comments, personally I would provide the duck tape to stop them if it would improve things.
owd nick wrote:You do concede that he makes irritating comments and seem to acknowledge our owners are cranks. So can I ask do you think Kean is the right man for the job? Even if you do think he is would you not prefer a better manager? If you don’t think Kean should be the manager then how would you as a fan try and influence his sacking?
Rover Pete wrote:Pete, no one is saying we should be praising Kean at all, he makes a rod for his own back with his irritating comments and because of that continually aggravates the situation with the boo boys.
One win against Swansea was very welcome. But why should we praise Kean?
We won against a team who were about as good/bad as us, we should have got something from that game. How many times do we have to tell Kean and the Venky's that he is simple not good enough. His record is absolutely appaling. When he can show us he has any technical ability to change a match. He still persisted with bringing on Roberts, why? when he has the present Scotland striker that he bought sitting on the bench. How can he ever improve.
.
The sad fact of life is that if Rovers won the next 10 games the boo boys would still want Kean out, because they hate him with a vengeance and they are blinded by that hate.
.
In nearly 40 years of supporting Rovers I have never, ever been as angry with any group of fans than I was on Saturday with our boo boys, in fact were it not for my daughter and two real supporters preventing me I would have brained one of the snotty little clowns.
.
And this is what it is coming to.
.
We have so called owners who really don't give any indication as to knowing what they are doing.
.
We have a "manager" who appears to have the best of intentions but puts his foot in it every time he opens his mouth.
.
And worse of all we have fans with differing views who are now at each others throats.
.
Personally I have nothing against the protesters, I know they care about my club as much as I do and are deeply concerned about the direction it appears to be going, as I am.
.
But I go to Ewood to watch my team play football, not to watch pointless demonstrations, listen to negative chants, and certainly not to listen to our own players being abused because they support our "manager".
.
There is a time and place for demonstrations, that is not before or during the game because that gives our opponents a lift, something we cannot afford to do.
.
And to demonstrate when we are winning, I have to ask where is the sense in that?
.
Rovers need our support whether Kean remains manager or not, the demonstrators albeit with the best intentions, have created this rift between the supporters, they have to look for ways to repair it.
.
Otherwise the all pervading negative atmosphere will damage our teams fragile confidence and the protesters will have contributed to their self fulfilling prophecy.
I personally don’t like any booing but I think its one of very few ways people can vent their anger. It may not be constructive booing but it happened and we won anyway its not like we were doing well before these protests started. If every time Kean gets heckled we win happy days as Kean says himself it doesn‘t affect him or the players so what’s the problem?
Also, even if want Kean in do you agree that the atmosphere at club would improve overnight with his removal? I think it has come to the point for the benefit of the club and to unite the fans he has to go
Roverthere
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4:12am Wed 7 Dec 11
bypass06
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11:06am Wed 7 Dec 11
owd nick wrote:It would be a miracle, if we got something at sunderland on saturday.......we play them Sunday.....keep taking the tablets.
matt00 wrote:I have already conceded that Kean makes irritating comments, personally I would provide the duck tape to stop them if it would improve things.
owd nick wrote:You do concede that he makes irritating comments and seem to acknowledge our owners are cranks. So can I ask do you think Kean is the right man for the job? Even if you do think he is would you not prefer a better manager? If you don’t think Kean should be the manager then how would you as a fan try and influence his sacking?
Rover Pete wrote:Pete, no one is saying we should be praising Kean at all, he makes a rod for his own back with his irritating comments and because of that continually aggravates the situation with the boo boys.
One win against Swansea was very welcome. But why should we praise Kean?
We won against a team who were about as good/bad as us, we should have got something from that game. How many times do we have to tell Kean and the Venky's that he is simple not good enough. His record is absolutely appaling. When he can show us he has any technical ability to change a match. He still persisted with bringing on Roberts, why? when he has the present Scotland striker that he bought sitting on the bench. How can he ever improve.
.
The sad fact of life is that if Rovers won the next 10 games the boo boys would still want Kean out, because they hate him with a vengeance and they are blinded by that hate.
.
In nearly 40 years of supporting Rovers I have never, ever been as angry with any group of fans than I was on Saturday with our boo boys, in fact were it not for my daughter and two real supporters preventing me I would have brained one of the snotty little clowns.
.
And this is what it is coming to.
.
We have so called owners who really don't give any indication as to knowing what they are doing.
.
We have a "manager" who appears to have the best of intentions but puts his foot in it every time he opens his mouth.
.
And worse of all we have fans with differing views who are now at each others throats.
.
Personally I have nothing against the protesters, I know they care about my club as much as I do and are deeply concerned about the direction it appears to be going, as I am.
.
But I go to Ewood to watch my team play football, not to watch pointless demonstrations, listen to negative chants, and certainly not to listen to our own players being abused because they support our "manager".
.
There is a time and place for demonstrations, that is not before or during the game because that gives our opponents a lift, something we cannot afford to do.
.
And to demonstrate when we are winning, I have to ask where is the sense in that?
.
Rovers need our support whether Kean remains manager or not, the demonstrators albeit with the best intentions, have created this rift between the supporters, they have to look for ways to repair it.
.
Otherwise the all pervading negative atmosphere will damage our teams fragile confidence and the protesters will have contributed to their self fulfilling prophecy.
I personally don’t like any booing but I think its one of very few ways people can vent their anger. It may not be constructive booing but it happened and we won anyway its not like we were doing well before these protests started. If every time Kean gets heckled we win happy days as Kean says himself it doesn‘t affect him or the players so what’s the problem?
Also, even if want Kean in do you agree that the atmosphere at club would improve overnight with his removal? I think it has come to the point for the benefit of the club and to unite the fans he has to go
.
His results record is appalling by any standard you care to mention, but Venky's are not going to sack him because they simply don't have a clue what they are doing.
.
For some reason none of us understand Kean is capable of getting the players to play, even when half the squad is injured or suspended, there must be something we are missing.
.
The atmosphere would change at the club if Kean was sacked, but for how long?, Venky's would still be in charge, bumbling along behind the scenes like blind men in a bonfire.
.
And ask yourself, what experienced PL manager would work for Venky's?
.
I would bet even Steve MacLaren would tell them to bugger off, actually I would pray he would tell them to bugger off, he makes Kean look like a member of Mensa.
.
Kean is an unlucky manager to a certain extent, Take Saturdays game against Sunderland for instance, if by some miracle we manage to get something out of that I will start looking for faeries at the bottom of my garden.
.
I would rather we were playing Man City away than Sunderland at this point in time.
.
I was initially willing to give Venky's a chance but no longer, that is where the protests should be aimed, AFTER THE GAMES, Kean is just their scapegoat, the easy target.
.
Venky's have been given every opportunity to sort things out, in reality all they have to do is talk but for some reason they can't, perhaps it's a cultural thing?
owd nick
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11:31pm Wed 7 Dec 11
bypass06 wrote:A minor error, such is life, glad you are paying attention to this post as you have decided not to reply to my comments, re: the protest at the Chelsea match on the Yakubu post, which I think cost us the game, or at least one valuable point.
owd nick wrote:It would be a miracle, if we got something at sunderland on saturday.......we play them Sunday.....keep taking the tablets.
matt00 wrote:I have already conceded that Kean makes irritating comments, personally I would provide the duck tape to stop them if it would improve things.
owd nick wrote:You do concede that he makes irritating comments and seem to acknowledge our owners are cranks. So can I ask do you think Kean is the right man for the job? Even if you do think he is would you not prefer a better manager? If you don’t think Kean should be the manager then how would you as a fan try and influence his sacking?
Rover Pete wrote:Pete, no one is saying we should be praising Kean at all, he makes a rod for his own back with his irritating comments and because of that continually aggravates the situation with the boo boys.
One win against Swansea was very welcome. But why should we praise Kean?
We won against a team who were about as good/bad as us, we should have got something from that game. How many times do we have to tell Kean and the Venky's that he is simple not good enough. His record is absolutely appaling. When he can show us he has any technical ability to change a match. He still persisted with bringing on Roberts, why? when he has the present Scotland striker that he bought sitting on the bench. How can he ever improve.
.
The sad fact of life is that if Rovers won the next 10 games the boo boys would still want Kean out, because they hate him with a vengeance and they are blinded by that hate.
.
In nearly 40 years of supporting Rovers I have never, ever been as angry with any group of fans than I was on Saturday with our boo boys, in fact were it not for my daughter and two real supporters preventing me I would have brained one of the snotty little clowns.
.
And this is what it is coming to.
.
We have so called owners who really don't give any indication as to knowing what they are doing.
.
We have a "manager" who appears to have the best of intentions but puts his foot in it every time he opens his mouth.
.
And worse of all we have fans with differing views who are now at each others throats.
.
Personally I have nothing against the protesters, I know they care about my club as much as I do and are deeply concerned about the direction it appears to be going, as I am.
.
But I go to Ewood to watch my team play football, not to watch pointless demonstrations, listen to negative chants, and certainly not to listen to our own players being abused because they support our "manager".
.
There is a time and place for demonstrations, that is not before or during the game because that gives our opponents a lift, something we cannot afford to do.
.
And to demonstrate when we are winning, I have to ask where is the sense in that?
.
Rovers need our support whether Kean remains manager or not, the demonstrators albeit with the best intentions, have created this rift between the supporters, they have to look for ways to repair it.
.
Otherwise the all pervading negative atmosphere will damage our teams fragile confidence and the protesters will have contributed to their self fulfilling prophecy.
I personally don’t like any booing but I think its one of very few ways people can vent their anger. It may not be constructive booing but it happened and we won anyway its not like we were doing well before these protests started. If every time Kean gets heckled we win happy days as Kean says himself it doesn‘t affect him or the players so what’s the problem?
Also, even if want Kean in do you agree that the atmosphere at club would improve overnight with his removal? I think it has come to the point for the benefit of the club and to unite the fans he has to go
.
His results record is appalling by any standard you care to mention, but Venky's are not going to sack him because they simply don't have a clue what they are doing.
.
For some reason none of us understand Kean is capable of getting the players to play, even when half the squad is injured or suspended, there must be something we are missing.
.
The atmosphere would change at the club if Kean was sacked, but for how long?, Venky's would still be in charge, bumbling along behind the scenes like blind men in a bonfire.
.
And ask yourself, what experienced PL manager would work for Venky's?
.
I would bet even Steve MacLaren would tell them to bugger off, actually I would pray he would tell them to bugger off, he makes Kean look like a member of Mensa.
.
Kean is an unlucky manager to a certain extent, Take Saturdays game against Sunderland for instance, if by some miracle we manage to get something out of that I will start looking for faeries at the bottom of my garden.
.
I would rather we were playing Man City away than Sunderland at this point in time.
.
I was initially willing to give Venky's a chance but no longer, that is where the protests should be aimed, AFTER THE GAMES, Kean is just their scapegoat, the easy target.
.
Venky's have been given every opportunity to sort things out, in reality all they have to do is talk but for some reason they can't, perhaps it's a cultural thing?
Burnley59/60
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2:49am Thu 8 Dec 11
owd nick wrote:Do you Think our fans would to this to players in The Claret And Blue of Burnley !!!! Not one chance,I agree he needs to go and Venky's are a discrace and I hate as a TRUE FAN OF THE ENGLISH GAME,what they are doing to a founder member,but to boo your own team lads WRONG WRONG WRONG
bypass06 wrote:A minor error, such is life, glad you are paying attention to this post as you have decided not to reply to my comments, re: the protest at the Chelsea match on the Yakubu post, which I think cost us the game, or at least one valuable point.
owd nick wrote:It would be a miracle, if we got something at sunderland on saturday.......we play them Sunday.....keep taking the tablets.
matt00 wrote:I have already conceded that Kean makes irritating comments, personally I would provide the duck tape to stop them if it would improve things.
owd nick wrote:You do concede that he makes irritating comments and seem to acknowledge our owners are cranks. So can I ask do you think Kean is the right man for the job? Even if you do think he is would you not prefer a better manager? If you don’t think Kean should be the manager then how would you as a fan try and influence his sacking?
Rover Pete wrote:Pete, no one is saying we should be praising Kean at all, he makes a rod for his own back with his irritating comments and because of that continually aggravates the situation with the boo boys.
One win against Swansea was very welcome. But why should we praise Kean?
We won against a team who were about as good/bad as us, we should have got something from that game. How many times do we have to tell Kean and the Venky's that he is simple not good enough. His record is absolutely appaling. When he can show us he has any technical ability to change a match. He still persisted with bringing on Roberts, why? when he has the present Scotland striker that he bought sitting on the bench. How can he ever improve.
.
The sad fact of life is that if Rovers won the next 10 games the boo boys would still want Kean out, because they hate him with a vengeance and they are blinded by that hate.
.
In nearly 40 years of supporting Rovers I have never, ever been as angry with any group of fans than I was on Saturday with our boo boys, in fact were it not for my daughter and two real supporters preventing me I would have brained one of the snotty little clowns.
.
And this is what it is coming to.
.
We have so called owners who really don't give any indication as to knowing what they are doing.
.
We have a "manager" who appears to have the best of intentions but puts his foot in it every time he opens his mouth.
.
And worse of all we have fans with differing views who are now at each others throats.
.
Personally I have nothing against the protesters, I know they care about my club as much as I do and are deeply concerned about the direction it appears to be going, as I am.
.
But I go to Ewood to watch my team play football, not to watch pointless demonstrations, listen to negative chants, and certainly not to listen to our own players being abused because they support our "manager".
.
There is a time and place for demonstrations, that is not before or during the game because that gives our opponents a lift, something we cannot afford to do.
.
And to demonstrate when we are winning, I have to ask where is the sense in that?
.
Rovers need our support whether Kean remains manager or not, the demonstrators albeit with the best intentions, have created this rift between the supporters, they have to look for ways to repair it.
.
Otherwise the all pervading negative atmosphere will damage our teams fragile confidence and the protesters will have contributed to their self fulfilling prophecy.
I personally don’t like any booing but I think its one of very few ways people can vent their anger. It may not be constructive booing but it happened and we won anyway its not like we were doing well before these protests started. If every time Kean gets heckled we win happy days as Kean says himself it doesn‘t affect him or the players so what’s the problem?
Also, even if want Kean in do you agree that the atmosphere at club would improve overnight with his removal? I think it has come to the point for the benefit of the club and to unite the fans he has to go
.
His results record is appalling by any standard you care to mention, but Venky's are not going to sack him because they simply don't have a clue what they are doing.
.
For some reason none of us understand Kean is capable of getting the players to play, even when half the squad is injured or suspended, there must be something we are missing.
.
The atmosphere would change at the club if Kean was sacked, but for how long?, Venky's would still be in charge, bumbling along behind the scenes like blind men in a bonfire.
.
And ask yourself, what experienced PL manager would work for Venky's?
.
I would bet even Steve MacLaren would tell them to bugger off, actually I would pray he would tell them to bugger off, he makes Kean look like a member of Mensa.
.
Kean is an unlucky manager to a certain extent, Take Saturdays game against Sunderland for instance, if by some miracle we manage to get something out of that I will start looking for faeries at the bottom of my garden.
.
I would rather we were playing Man City away than Sunderland at this point in time.
.
I was initially willing to give Venky's a chance but no longer, that is where the protests should be aimed, AFTER THE GAMES, Kean is just their scapegoat, the easy target.
.
Venky's have been given every opportunity to sort things out, in reality all they have to do is talk but for some reason they can't, perhaps it's a cultural thing?
.
Thought about that one yet?, the "protest" that you can't even remember taking place?, some "organiser" you are. lol. good job Kean isn't as crap as you we would have been relegated last season.
.
But thats all you are about isn't it?, scoring cheap points against people who cant fight back, destroying the atmosphere at games, booing your own players, creating friction between our own fans.
Livesey rover
says...
2:25pm Thu 8 Dec 11
lancs1985
says...
3:33pm Thu 8 Dec 11
ChrisSutton
says...
8:40pm Thu 8 Dec 11
Burnley59/60 wrote:Get your facts right sir. We didn't boo our team, we booed KEAN.
owd nick wrote:Do you Think our fans would to this to players in The Claret And Blue of Burnley !!!! Not one chance,I agree he needs to go and Venky's are a discrace and I hate as a TRUE FAN OF THE ENGLISH GAME,what they are doing to a founder member,but to boo your own team lads WRONG WRONG WRONG
bypass06 wrote:A minor error, such is life, glad you are paying attention to this post as you have decided not to reply to my comments, re: the protest at the Chelsea match on the Yakubu post, which I think cost us the game, or at least one valuable point.
owd nick wrote:It would be a miracle, if we got something at sunderland on saturday.......we play them Sunday.....keep taking the tablets.
matt00 wrote:I have already conceded that Kean makes irritating comments, personally I would provide the duck tape to stop them if it would improve things.
owd nick wrote:You do concede that he makes irritating comments and seem to acknowledge our owners are cranks. So can I ask do you think Kean is the right man for the job? Even if you do think he is would you not prefer a better manager? If you don’t think Kean should be the manager then how would you as a fan try and influence his sacking?
Rover Pete wrote:Pete, no one is saying we should be praising Kean at all, he makes a rod for his own back with his irritating comments and because of that continually aggravates the situation with the boo boys.
One win against Swansea was very welcome. But why should we praise Kean?
We won against a team who were about as good/bad as us, we should have got something from that game. How many times do we have to tell Kean and the Venky's that he is simple not good enough. His record is absolutely appaling. When he can show us he has any technical ability to change a match. He still persisted with bringing on Roberts, why? when he has the present Scotland striker that he bought sitting on the bench. How can he ever improve.
.
The sad fact of life is that if Rovers won the next 10 games the boo boys would still want Kean out, because they hate him with a vengeance and they are blinded by that hate.
.
In nearly 40 years of supporting Rovers I have never, ever been as angry with any group of fans than I was on Saturday with our boo boys, in fact were it not for my daughter and two real supporters preventing me I would have brained one of the snotty little clowns.
.
And this is what it is coming to.
.
We have so called owners who really don't give any indication as to knowing what they are doing.
.
We have a "manager" who appears to have the best of intentions but puts his foot in it every time he opens his mouth.
.
And worse of all we have fans with differing views who are now at each others throats.
.
Personally I have nothing against the protesters, I know they care about my club as much as I do and are deeply concerned about the direction it appears to be going, as I am.
.
But I go to Ewood to watch my team play football, not to watch pointless demonstrations, listen to negative chants, and certainly not to listen to our own players being abused because they support our "manager".
.
There is a time and place for demonstrations, that is not before or during the game because that gives our opponents a lift, something we cannot afford to do.
.
And to demonstrate when we are winning, I have to ask where is the sense in that?
.
Rovers need our support whether Kean remains manager or not, the demonstrators albeit with the best intentions, have created this rift between the supporters, they have to look for ways to repair it.
.
Otherwise the all pervading negative atmosphere will damage our teams fragile confidence and the protesters will have contributed to their self fulfilling prophecy.
I personally don’t like any booing but I think its one of very few ways people can vent their anger. It may not be constructive booing but it happened and we won anyway its not like we were doing well before these protests started. If every time Kean gets heckled we win happy days as Kean says himself it doesn‘t affect him or the players so what’s the problem?
Also, even if want Kean in do you agree that the atmosphere at club would improve overnight with his removal? I think it has come to the point for the benefit of the club and to unite the fans he has to go
.
His results record is appalling by any standard you care to mention, but Venky's are not going to sack him because they simply don't have a clue what they are doing.
.
For some reason none of us understand Kean is capable of getting the players to play, even when half the squad is injured or suspended, there must be something we are missing.
.
The atmosphere would change at the club if Kean was sacked, but for how long?, Venky's would still be in charge, bumbling along behind the scenes like blind men in a bonfire.
.
And ask yourself, what experienced PL manager would work for Venky's?
.
I would bet even Steve MacLaren would tell them to bugger off, actually I would pray he would tell them to bugger off, he makes Kean look like a member of Mensa.
.
Kean is an unlucky manager to a certain extent, Take Saturdays game against Sunderland for instance, if by some miracle we manage to get something out of that I will start looking for faeries at the bottom of my garden.
.
I would rather we were playing Man City away than Sunderland at this point in time.
.
I was initially willing to give Venky's a chance but no longer, that is where the protests should be aimed, AFTER THE GAMES, Kean is just their scapegoat, the easy target.
.
Venky's have been given every opportunity to sort things out, in reality all they have to do is talk but for some reason they can't, perhaps it's a cultural thing?
.
Thought about that one yet?, the "protest" that you can't even remember taking place?, some "organiser" you are. lol. good job Kean isn't as crap as you we would have been relegated last season.
.
But thats all you are about isn't it?, scoring cheap points against people who cant fight back, destroying the atmosphere at games, booing your own players, creating friction between our own fans.
Burnley59/60
says...
9:30pm Thu 8 Dec 11
ChrisSutton wrote:If Thats The case mate accepted but do you agree with me about these foreign asset stripers
Burnley59/60 wrote:Get your facts right sir. We didn't boo our team, we booed KEAN.
owd nick wrote:Do you Think our fans would to this to players in The Claret And Blue of Burnley !!!! Not one chance,I agree he needs to go and Venky's are a discrace and I hate as a TRUE FAN OF THE ENGLISH GAME,what they are doing to a founder member,but to boo your own team lads WRONG WRONG WRONG
bypass06 wrote:A minor error, such is life, glad you are paying attention to this post as you have decided not to reply to my comments, re: the protest at the Chelsea match on the Yakubu post, which I think cost us the game, or at least one valuable point.
owd nick wrote:It would be a miracle, if we got something at sunderland on saturday.......we play them Sunday.....keep taking the tablets.
matt00 wrote:I have already conceded that Kean makes irritating comments, personally I would provide the duck tape to stop them if it would improve things.
owd nick wrote:You do concede that he makes irritating comments and seem to acknowledge our owners are cranks. So can I ask do you think Kean is the right man for the job? Even if you do think he is would you not prefer a better manager? If you don’t think Kean should be the manager then how would you as a fan try and influence his sacking?
Rover Pete wrote:Pete, no one is saying we should be praising Kean at all, he makes a rod for his own back with his irritating comments and because of that continually aggravates the situation with the boo boys.
One win against Swansea was very welcome. But why should we praise Kean?
We won against a team who were about as good/bad as us, we should have got something from that game. How many times do we have to tell Kean and the Venky's that he is simple not good enough. His record is absolutely appaling. When he can show us he has any technical ability to change a match. He still persisted with bringing on Roberts, why? when he has the present Scotland striker that he bought sitting on the bench. How can he ever improve.
.
The sad fact of life is that if Rovers won the next 10 games the boo boys would still want Kean out, because they hate him with a vengeance and they are blinded by that hate.
.
In nearly 40 years of supporting Rovers I have never, ever been as angry with any group of fans than I was on Saturday with our boo boys, in fact were it not for my daughter and two real supporters preventing me I would have brained one of the snotty little clowns.
.
And this is what it is coming to.
.
We have so called owners who really don't give any indication as to knowing what they are doing.
.
We have a "manager" who appears to have the best of intentions but puts his foot in it every time he opens his mouth.
.
And worse of all we have fans with differing views who are now at each others throats.
.
Personally I have nothing against the protesters, I know they care about my club as much as I do and are deeply concerned about the direction it appears to be going, as I am.
.
But I go to Ewood to watch my team play football, not to watch pointless demonstrations, listen to negative chants, and certainly not to listen to our own players being abused because they support our "manager".
.
There is a time and place for demonstrations, that is not before or during the game because that gives our opponents a lift, something we cannot afford to do.
.
And to demonstrate when we are winning, I have to ask where is the sense in that?
.
Rovers need our support whether Kean remains manager or not, the demonstrators albeit with the best intentions, have created this rift between the supporters, they have to look for ways to repair it.
.
Otherwise the all pervading negative atmosphere will damage our teams fragile confidence and the protesters will have contributed to their self fulfilling prophecy.
I personally don’t like any booing but I think its one of very few ways people can vent their anger. It may not be constructive booing but it happened and we won anyway its not like we were doing well before these protests started. If every time Kean gets heckled we win happy days as Kean says himself it doesn‘t affect him or the players so what’s the problem?
Also, even if want Kean in do you agree that the atmosphere at club would improve overnight with his removal? I think it has come to the point for the benefit of the club and to unite the fans he has to go
.
His results record is appalling by any standard you care to mention, but Venky's are not going to sack him because they simply don't have a clue what they are doing.
.
For some reason none of us understand Kean is capable of getting the players to play, even when half the squad is injured or suspended, there must be something we are missing.
.
The atmosphere would change at the club if Kean was sacked, but for how long?, Venky's would still be in charge, bumbling along behind the scenes like blind men in a bonfire.
.
And ask yourself, what experienced PL manager would work for Venky's?
.
I would bet even Steve MacLaren would tell them to bugger off, actually I would pray he would tell them to bugger off, he makes Kean look like a member of Mensa.
.
Kean is an unlucky manager to a certain extent, Take Saturdays game against Sunderland for instance, if by some miracle we manage to get something out of that I will start looking for faeries at the bottom of my garden.
.
I would rather we were playing Man City away than Sunderland at this point in time.
.
I was initially willing to give Venky's a chance but no longer, that is where the protests should be aimed, AFTER THE GAMES, Kean is just their scapegoat, the easy target.
.
Venky's have been given every opportunity to sort things out, in reality all they have to do is talk but for some reason they can't, perhaps it's a cultural thing?
.
Thought about that one yet?, the "protest" that you can't even remember taking place?, some "organiser" you are. lol. good job Kean isn't as crap as you we would have been relegated last season.
.
But thats all you are about isn't it?, scoring cheap points against people who cant fight back, destroying the atmosphere at games, booing your own players, creating friction between our own fans.
With us that day on bottom of the league, and Stevie boy just been given a new improved contract after a terrible run of results... it's no wonder fans expressed their disgust either.
-D.K.O
ChrisSutton
says...
12:42am Fri 9 Dec 11
Burnley59/60 wrote:I don't know. For me Venkys disastrous ownership over the past 12 months is either due to genuine naivity or shady dealings.
ChrisSutton wrote:If Thats The case mate accepted but do you agree with me about these foreign asset stripers
Burnley59/60 wrote:Get your facts right sir. We didn't boo our team, we booed KEAN.
owd nick wrote:Do you Think our fans would to this to players in The Claret And Blue of Burnley !!!! Not one chance,I agree he needs to go and Venky's are a discrace and I hate as a TRUE FAN OF THE ENGLISH GAME,what they are doing to a founder member,but to boo your own team lads WRONG WRONG WRONG
bypass06 wrote:A minor error, such is life, glad you are paying attention to this post as you have decided not to reply to my comments, re: the protest at the Chelsea match on the Yakubu post, which I think cost us the game, or at least one valuable point.
owd nick wrote:It would be a miracle, if we got something at sunderland on saturday.......we play them Sunday.....keep taking the tablets.
matt00 wrote:I have already conceded that Kean makes irritating comments, personally I would provide the duck tape to stop them if it would improve things.
owd nick wrote:You do concede that he makes irritating comments and seem to acknowledge our owners are cranks. So can I ask do you think Kean is the right man for the job? Even if you do think he is would you not prefer a better manager? If you don’t think Kean should be the manager then how would you as a fan try and influence his sacking?
Rover Pete wrote:Pete, no one is saying we should be praising Kean at all, he makes a rod for his own back with his irritating comments and because of that continually aggravates the situation with the boo boys.
One win against Swansea was very welcome. But why should we praise Kean?
We won against a team who were about as good/bad as us, we should have got something from that game. How many times do we have to tell Kean and the Venky's that he is simple not good enough. His record is absolutely appaling. When he can show us he has any technical ability to change a match. He still persisted with bringing on Roberts, why? when he has the present Scotland striker that he bought sitting on the bench. How can he ever improve.
.
The sad fact of life is that if Rovers won the next 10 games the boo boys would still want Kean out, because they hate him with a vengeance and they are blinded by that hate.
.
In nearly 40 years of supporting Rovers I have never, ever been as angry with any group of fans than I was on Saturday with our boo boys, in fact were it not for my daughter and two real supporters preventing me I would have brained one of the snotty little clowns.
.
And this is what it is coming to.
.
We have so called owners who really don't give any indication as to knowing what they are doing.
.
We have a "manager" who appears to have the best of intentions but puts his foot in it every time he opens his mouth.
.
And worse of all we have fans with differing views who are now at each others throats.
.
Personally I have nothing against the protesters, I know they care about my club as much as I do and are deeply concerned about the direction it appears to be going, as I am.
.
But I go to Ewood to watch my team play football, not to watch pointless demonstrations, listen to negative chants, and certainly not to listen to our own players being abused because they support our "manager".
.
There is a time and place for demonstrations, that is not before or during the game because that gives our opponents a lift, something we cannot afford to do.
.
And to demonstrate when we are winning, I have to ask where is the sense in that?
.
Rovers need our support whether Kean remains manager or not, the demonstrators albeit with the best intentions, have created this rift between the supporters, they have to look for ways to repair it.
.
Otherwise the all pervading negative atmosphere will damage our teams fragile confidence and the protesters will have contributed to their self fulfilling prophecy.
I personally don’t like any booing but I think its one of very few ways people can vent their anger. It may not be constructive booing but it happened and we won anyway its not like we were doing well before these protests started. If every time Kean gets heckled we win happy days as Kean says himself it doesn‘t affect him or the players so what’s the problem?
Also, even if want Kean in do you agree that the atmosphere at club would improve overnight with his removal? I think it has come to the point for the benefit of the club and to unite the fans he has to go
.
His results record is appalling by any standard you care to mention, but Venky's are not going to sack him because they simply don't have a clue what they are doing.
.
For some reason none of us understand Kean is capable of getting the players to play, even when half the squad is injured or suspended, there must be something we are missing.
.
The atmosphere would change at the club if Kean was sacked, but for how long?, Venky's would still be in charge, bumbling along behind the scenes like blind men in a bonfire.
.
And ask yourself, what experienced PL manager would work for Venky's?
.
I would bet even Steve MacLaren would tell them to bugger off, actually I would pray he would tell them to bugger off, he makes Kean look like a member of Mensa.
.
Kean is an unlucky manager to a certain extent, Take Saturdays game against Sunderland for instance, if by some miracle we manage to get something out of that I will start looking for faeries at the bottom of my garden.
.
I would rather we were playing Man City away than Sunderland at this point in time.
.
I was initially willing to give Venky's a chance but no longer, that is where the protests should be aimed, AFTER THE GAMES, Kean is just their scapegoat, the easy target.
.
Venky's have been given every opportunity to sort things out, in reality all they have to do is talk but for some reason they can't, perhaps it's a cultural thing?
.
Thought about that one yet?, the "protest" that you can't even remember taking place?, some "organiser" you are. lol. good job Kean isn't as crap as you we would have been relegated last season.
.
But thats all you are about isn't it?, scoring cheap points against people who cant fight back, destroying the atmosphere at games, booing your own players, creating friction between our own fans.
With us that day on bottom of the league, and Stevie boy just been given a new improved contract after a terrible run of results... it's no wonder fans expressed their disgust either.
-D.K.O
owdman
says...
9:06am Fri 9 Dec 11
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10:20am Tue 6 Dec 11