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Rovers caretaker Black wary of Rhodes burn-out (From Lancashire Telegraph)
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Rovers caretaker Black wary of Rhodes burn-out
4:19pm Monday 8th October 2012 in Football
By Andy Cryer, Blackburn Rovers reporter
Jordan Rhodes challenges Christophe Berra and Richard Stearman on Saturday
ERIC Black admits Blackburn Rovers are asking ‘ridiculous’ things of £8million man Jordan Rhodes, and fears the striker is being run to a standstill.
Rovers’ caretaker boss blamed the lack of creativity in Saturday’s 1-0 home defeat to Wolves on a lack of presence up front, but feels he has been left with little option to use Rhodes in the way he has.
Rovers’ joint record signing has been utilised as a lone striker for much of his short time at the club, due to injuries to Leon Best and Colin Kazim-Richards, with the latter still needing to find full fitness after returning on Saturday.
Black said: “With the options that I had I would defy anyone to tell me who I should have played up front today that would have given us a presence in this division.
“There is not a presence to keep the ball up.
“Kaz was the presence we thought might help.
“Unfortunately for Kaz he worked him-self to a standstill, but he has been out for a couple of months and that was asking an enormous am-ount of him to come and per-form at a top level Kazim-Richards.
“Rhodes, the poor kid has run himself to a standstill.
“He deserves a lot of credit for doing that and putting up with it but what we are asking him to do is ridiculous in my opinion.
“It won’t help the boy and it certainly won’t help us.
“If we had Kaz fully fit then we don’t put the pressure on Jordan Rhodes that we have done, because we have had no presence and have had to play one up and one off.
“In this division, I am not convinced it is the way to go.
“We are asking Jordan to be a Didier Drogba or a Leon Best. He has never done that in his life, why is he all of a sudden going to be running the channels and linking and setting the game?
“That is not what he does, but we have asked him to do that.
“He has done it willingly but I just think the poor kid looks absolutely shattered.
“Playing one up on his own is the last thing he needs. He doesn’t need that and we won’t get the best out of him doing that.
“But we don’t have anybody else who does that job in the club.”
Black has received criticism from some quarters for changing to a 3-5-2 formation but, despite being winless in the last two games, Black insists he does not regret it.
“I am quite happy with how we have changed it,” he said. “I take full responsibility for that.
“We were conceding a lot of goals and were very open and I still didn’t feel our performances were correct.
“I’m a great believer unless there is a strong foundation on the performances then you run out of luck.”
Comments(42)
tugaycomeback
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4:32pm Mon 8 Oct 12
jogalot
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4:38pm Mon 8 Oct 12
From what I saw on Saturday, Olssen was a threat and needed more service. However, there seems to be no confidence now in going forward and only a new manager will instill that I think. Difficult times but there are top managers applying apparently so please take the opportunity Venkys and appoint the best you can, no matter how much it costs. It will be cheaper in the long run.
chegwin
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4:41pm Mon 8 Oct 12
Frisson
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4:42pm Mon 8 Oct 12
dallydally
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4:47pm Mon 8 Oct 12
bburnrover
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4:54pm Mon 8 Oct 12
ronnie clayton
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4:57pm Mon 8 Oct 12
ARE YOU SAYING , nothing that has been going on at Rovers since THE DAY you arrived is nothing to do with YOU ?
Were you and Hendry employed as Keans coaches and right hand men ? Did you or did you not say that Kean deserved a medal for having to put up with the Rovers supporters ?
Are we going to do what STALIN did rewrite history, History ,did Hendry not say or am I imagining this , Hendry AND I quote, "the majority of Rovers supporters are backing and supporting Kean it`s a small minority that are against him" of course little did we know Hendry was wangling himself a highly paid job as Keans driver.
So anyway everything that happened in the past was not Black/Hendry fault , nor anything to do with them, if that is the case can you please pay all your wages back to the club that you have both received since you have been at Rovers.
jogalot
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4:57pm Mon 8 Oct 12
As for the 2 up front, it doesn't matter who they are, if they get no service they will be ineffectual. Roberts, Rooney, Shearer, Peter Crouch or any other would not do well at all with no service. Black is completely blind to that fact, just as Kean was.
adcr
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5:00pm Mon 8 Oct 12
We need a system that unlocks our goalscoring threat, and at the same time cuts out the mistakes and lack of concentration in defence. For me the answer is sort out the midfield, Murphy is a passenger and needs to be dropped, and we need someone with a bit of pace to stretch the opposition, and give them something to think about. In the last two home games both Wolves and Boro knew right from the start that we couldn't really hurt them. This just gives the opposition confidence and encourages them to attack you.
ewood1952
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5:01pm Mon 8 Oct 12
1riversider
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5:10pm Mon 8 Oct 12
ALL YOU SHYSTERS GET OUT OF OUR CLUB
norover
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5:14pm Mon 8 Oct 12
Captain Dreckley
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5:18pm Mon 8 Oct 12
Black out
eddie the eagle
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5:23pm Mon 8 Oct 12
A poster the other day printed out the tem that beat Burnley 5-0 last time we were in the championship,that squad would have murdered the present squad,so let's hope we can get a manager who can get the best out of what we've got or we are in trouble.
It's Ole Gunnar for me,if not I'd give Shearer a chance,He must have picked something up from Kenny and Ray .
Only1Garner
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5:23pm Mon 8 Oct 12
Matt Newcastle
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5:30pm Mon 8 Oct 12
If it's one thing we have not had from management for two and a half years is a big dose of REALISM
Let's not let blind loyalty to the cause deflect us from the FACTS.
We have a desperately poor slow ponderous back 5 (including Robo now who is mis judging flight of crosses) even slower midfield if
Murphy Pederson Etuhu are playing
that's 8 out of 11 players.
No wonder they are all so keen to play deep for fear of being shown up by the ball played in behind.
Task of the new manager therefore is huge. To honestly get more out of some of these current players I think is nigh on impossible.
Fitness lacking
Age no longer on their side
Skills reactions are slowed up
Solutions
I don't know
Is it a figure head with a brilliant back room team with great tactical and nurturing skills (sherwoods role at Spurs)
Is there a manager that encompases all what is needed in one person.
Big Sam has always a massive backroom team but is certainly always the figure head.
Who would be the person figure head that players in Jamuary would desperately wish to sign for for there is no doubt that a clearout is needed asap
Its Benitez for me if he has in fact applied
A Rover 45 years and over
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5:49pm Mon 8 Oct 12
J.C - Rishton
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5:53pm Mon 8 Oct 12
The guy is clueless - even Kean showed that our strikers could score for fun in this division - the trick is to find the right balance - proper defensive setup which still gives you a system that allows to create chances for your strikers.
Under EB his system is so negative and sterile that JR, NG or C K-R have never had a chance between them but unlike EVERY Rovers fan who has watched any of the last couple of games he is too blind and too arrogant to see the problem - just like his mentor and mate, the previous moronic incumbent of our managerial hotseat.
Surely SS, the Venky brothers and that stupid cow in her ivory tower back in downtown Pune can see through this guys waffle - they've had 18 months practice with hearing Kean speaking tripe on a daily basis so they should be used to it by now !!
jogalot
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5:55pm Mon 8 Oct 12
Matt Newcastle wrote:Yes, I think everybody is saying the same more or less. We need a manager who can motivate, have good staff to work on fitness, coaching etc, and a figure head to attract players. It is a difficult time ahead for whoever comes in so a good track record is also very important in my opinion. Benitez, OGS (but apparently hes said no), Schuster, Curbishley, Shearer (but only if he has good coaches). Hey! That's not a bad lot to choose from!
This is the best squad I have had the odious ones final view on this current squad.
If it's one thing we have not had from management for two and a half years is a big dose of REALISM
Let's not let blind loyalty to the cause deflect us from the FACTS.
We have a desperately poor slow ponderous back 5 (including Robo now who is mis judging flight of crosses) even slower midfield if
Murphy Pederson Etuhu are playing
that's 8 out of 11 players.
No wonder they are all so keen to play deep for fear of being shown up by the ball played in behind.
Task of the new manager therefore is huge. To honestly get more out of some of these current players I think is nigh on impossible.
Fitness lacking
Age no longer on their side
Skills reactions are slowed up
Solutions
I don't know
Is it a figure head with a brilliant back room team with great tactical and nurturing skills (sherwoods role at Spurs)
Is there a manager that encompases all what is needed in one person.
Big Sam has always a massive backroom team but is certainly always the figure head.
Who would be the person figure head that players in Jamuary would desperately wish to sign for for there is no doubt that a clearout is needed asap
Its Benitez for me if he has in fact applied
madrover
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6:21pm Mon 8 Oct 12
smellthecoffee
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6:31pm Mon 8 Oct 12
jogalot wrote:Benitez...unproven in this situation, Schuster (unproven in English football), Curbishley...out of work for too long and god knows why people keep mentioning his name, Shearer....no nonsense...would lift morale of the club and put bums on seats...work well with Rhodes, or Mick McCarthy...no nonsense..(proven to get clubs promoted).
Matt Newcastle wrote: This is the best squad I have had the odious ones final view on this current squad. If it's one thing we have not had from management for two and a half years is a big dose of REALISM Let's not let blind loyalty to the cause deflect us from the FACTS. We have a desperately poor slow ponderous back 5 (including Robo now who is mis judging flight of crosses) even slower midfield if Murphy Pederson Etuhu are playing that's 8 out of 11 players. No wonder they are all so keen to play deep for fear of being shown up by the ball played in behind. Task of the new manager therefore is huge. To honestly get more out of some of these current players I think is nigh on impossible. Fitness lacking Age no longer on their side Skills reactions are slowed up Solutions I don't know Is it a figure head with a brilliant back room team with great tactical and nurturing skills (sherwoods role at Spurs) Is there a manager that encompases all what is needed in one person. Big Sam has always a massive backroom team but is certainly always the figure head. Who would be the person figure head that players in Jamuary would desperately wish to sign for for there is no doubt that a clearout is needed asap Its Benitez for me if he has in fact appliedYes, I think everybody is saying the same more or less. We need a manager who can motivate, have good staff to work on fitness, coaching etc, and a figure head to attract players. It is a difficult time ahead for whoever comes in so a good track record is also very important in my opinion. Benitez, OGS (but apparently hes said no), Schuster, Curbishley, Shearer (but only if he has good coaches). Hey! That's not a bad lot to choose from!
I
MxMave
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6:38pm Mon 8 Oct 12
You dont blame either, you blame the situation and the players, just like the bad workman and his tools. An absolutely pathetic excuse. A man who has such little experience and no backbone should be assistant at a third division club not in charge of brfc. Make like your pal and leave before they shove you.
MxMave
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6:38pm Mon 8 Oct 12
You dont blame either, you blame the situation and the players, just like the bad workman and his tools. An absolutely pathetic excuse. A man who has such little experience and no backbone should be assistant at a third division club not in charge of brfc. Make like your pal and leave before they shove you.
M4CCY
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6:38pm Mon 8 Oct 12
Has Steve Kean put a wig on and changed his name!?
juanbbien
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6:41pm Mon 8 Oct 12
French Rover
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7:14pm Mon 8 Oct 12
M4CCY wrote:he did it to deflect the heat from him...once the fans turned up in their extra thousands (as promised) then he couldn't blame us anymore - so quick lets think, mm yes we can blame the forwards... we can blame KR for being out injured and being unfit now, we can blame Rhodes and Nunes for being the 'wrong' type of forwards...we can blame everyone but the management team. brilliant. get Black out and get the new man in now.
Why has black even opened up a debate about Rhodes. Absolutely no one blames the strikers for Saturdays performance. All black has done here is put pressure on Rhodes. He has also made a similar comment about kazim Richards. Kazim Richards worked his socks off on Saturday.MR BLACK, IT WAS THE MIDFIELD!!!!!
Has Steve Kean put a wig on and changed his name!?
Sam-the-Man
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7:17pm Mon 8 Oct 12
Most of us think Dunn is a little too old/slow for a 90 mins but he can still play the odd decent ball. So with 15 mins to go why didnt Black sub Murphy with Dunn?
We only used two subs in the whole game so in mho it was worth a punt.
Ok, I'm only a pensioner and what do I know about being a football manager? But I think I know about life to say Black and Hendry are not suitable people for the jobs they hold.
CheltRover
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7:43pm Mon 8 Oct 12
smellthecoffee wrote:Hang on, you say Benitez, Curbishley and Schuster are all unpoven; then you suggest shearer??????? What are you drinking cos it ain't the coffee!
jogalot wrote:Benitez...unproven in this situation, Schuster (unproven in English football), Curbishley...out of work for too long and god knows why people keep mentioning his name, Shearer....no nonsense...would lift morale of the club and put bums on seats...work well with Rhodes, or Mick McCarthy...no nonsense..(proven to get clubs promoted).
Matt Newcastle wrote: This is the best squad I have had the odious ones final view on this current squad. If it's one thing we have not had from management for two and a half years is a big dose of REALISM Let's not let blind loyalty to the cause deflect us from the FACTS. We have a desperately poor slow ponderous back 5 (including Robo now who is mis judging flight of crosses) even slower midfield if Murphy Pederson Etuhu are playing that's 8 out of 11 players. No wonder they are all so keen to play deep for fear of being shown up by the ball played in behind. Task of the new manager therefore is huge. To honestly get more out of some of these current players I think is nigh on impossible. Fitness lacking Age no longer on their side Skills reactions are slowed up Solutions I don't know Is it a figure head with a brilliant back room team with great tactical and nurturing skills (sherwoods role at Spurs) Is there a manager that encompases all what is needed in one person. Big Sam has always a massive backroom team but is certainly always the figure head. Who would be the person figure head that players in Jamuary would desperately wish to sign for for there is no doubt that a clearout is needed asap Its Benitez for me if he has in fact appliedYes, I think everybody is saying the same more or less. We need a manager who can motivate, have good staff to work on fitness, coaching etc, and a figure head to attract players. It is a difficult time ahead for whoever comes in so a good track record is also very important in my opinion. Benitez, OGS (but apparently hes said no), Schuster, Curbishley, Shearer (but only if he has good coaches). Hey! That's not a bad lot to choose from!
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Hovis1945
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8:23pm Mon 8 Oct 12
speedie_rovers_legend
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8:30pm Mon 8 Oct 12
chegwin wrote:At last someone who understands that these 2 players only can play one way , useless in this league , lazy lose the ball to easily never track back , correct we need battlers and players who will not shirk a challenge , and leave a foot in there , an atkins diouff ohh we had him did we not bald man?
Rochina is absolutely no use inrthis league or Formica or the 6 portugease players. Eric Black is trying to say we need someone like Jason Roberts or a Mike Newell type to hold the ball up
Yeah we had him but who has him now Warnock the man who called him a sewer rat , well done Warnock you got got yourself a bargain , but then again you have a bit more over our idiotic useless image thinking Venky owners.
reiko082
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8:51pm Mon 8 Oct 12
Rovers have an embarrassment of attacking options. Pick the ones you feel best capable to win the game. That's it.
kazluvsrovers
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9:29pm Mon 8 Oct 12
Our new manager is already in place
Venkys will not spend their chicken profit on us!!
Rovers 1495
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7:53am Tue 9 Oct 12
edmy
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7:59am Tue 9 Oct 12
Crow27
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9:27am Tue 9 Oct 12
Rovers 1495
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10:08am Tue 9 Oct 12
Crow27 wrote:For Mr Kean and Mr Black, it is rocket science ... and they ain't no nuclear physicists
We need wingers to provde crosses and when the ball is going through the middle we need any of; Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Dunn. This will allow what Rhodes does best - be in the box scoring goals. Not rocket Mr Black.
srvp28
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10:11am Tue 9 Oct 12
Rovers 1495 wrote:It's now the preferred formation for a lot of teams, mainly because it can revert to a 451 if your team's on the back foot. Who would you play in a 433 though? Some of the players need to be dropped, if only to give them a kick up the backside and remind them that complacency won't be tolerated. I'd start with:
Play him 4-3-3 with a couple of decent wingers giving him service
GK Sandomierski, RB Bruno Ribeiro, CB Henrique, CB Givet, LB Martin Olsson, DM Etuhu, CM Dunn, AM Rochina, RW Kazim-Richards, ST Rhodes, LW Nunes
Subs: Robinson, Dann, Lowe, Murphy, Pedersen, Vukcevic, Gomes
I know it's not our best team on paper but I seriously think that there are players who seem to think there's no competition for their place. Also, as well as reverting to a 451 it can also change to 442 without the need for substitutions. I'd keep Kazim-Richards on the right and play Rochina just off Rhodes' shoulder.
Brunzig
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10:52am Tue 9 Oct 12
srvp28 wrote:Id love to see this at Ewood but Black it the understudy of Mr Kean....so this will never happen. Two guys who dont have clue how to manage and a team that dont know how to pass it forwards!
Rovers 1495 wrote:It's now the preferred formation for a lot of teams, mainly because it can revert to a 451 if your team's on the back foot. Who would you play in a 433 though? Some of the players need to be dropped, if only to give them a kick up the backside and remind them that complacency won't be tolerated. I'd start with:
Play him 4-3-3 with a couple of decent wingers giving him service
GK Sandomierski, RB Bruno Ribeiro, CB Henrique, CB Givet, LB Martin Olsson, DM Etuhu, CM Dunn, AM Rochina, RW Kazim-Richards, ST Rhodes, LW Nunes
Subs: Robinson, Dann, Lowe, Murphy, Pedersen, Vukcevic, Gomes
I know it's not our best team on paper but I seriously think that there are players who seem to think there's no competition for their place. Also, as well as reverting to a 451 it can also change to 442 without the need for substitutions. I'd keep Kazim-Richards on the right and play Rochina just off Rhodes' shoulder.
Rovers 1495
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12:33pm Tue 9 Oct 12
srvp28 wrote:OGS swears by it
Rovers 1495 wrote:It's now the preferred formation for a lot of teams, mainly because it can revert to a 451 if your team's on the back foot. Who would you play in a 433 though? Some of the players need to be dropped, if only to give them a kick up the backside and remind them that complacency won't be tolerated. I'd start with:
Play him 4-3-3 with a couple of decent wingers giving him service
GK Sandomierski, RB Bruno Ribeiro, CB Henrique, CB Givet, LB Martin Olsson, DM Etuhu, CM Dunn, AM Rochina, RW Kazim-Richards, ST Rhodes, LW Nunes
Subs: Robinson, Dann, Lowe, Murphy, Pedersen, Vukcevic, Gomes
I know it's not our best team on paper but I seriously think that there are players who seem to think there's no competition for their place. Also, as well as reverting to a 451 it can also change to 442 without the need for substitutions. I'd keep Kazim-Richards on the right and play Rochina just off Rhodes' shoulder.
TR1984
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7:42pm Tue 9 Oct 12
speedie_rovers_legend
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8:31pm Wed 10 Oct 12
What a f load of tosh 50.000 a game come and work with us for a few hours we will show you f burnout, Get in the real world Black, you are on the gravy train with the rest of the agents players and managers. sorry CARETAKER

Old rover says...
4:26pm Mon 8 Oct 12