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Loan star Ruben Rochina is in demand

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BLACKBURN Rovers playmaker Ruben Rochina is wanted by La Liga side Real Sociedad according to reports in the Spanish media.

Rochina is currently on loan with Sociedad’s La Liga rivals Rayo Vallecano but has reportedly caught the eye of the high-flying San Sebastian outfit.

Cash-strapped Rayo have the option to buy Rochina, whose Rovers contract runs out in June 2015, when his loan there expires at the end of the season.

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9:00am Thu 20 Mar 14

MattNewcastle says...

No surprise to a lot of people

Certainly talent there

Guess it depends on how you harness it and whether you have a manager that wants players with creativity or the bog standard workhorses.

Therefore I don't think we will see him in a Rovers shirt again.

mores the pity in my opinion

He was the answer to our missing number 10 position

scored goals could take on defenders created opposition I bet not particularly wanting to play against him

Compare that to some of our current incumbents

Best wishes to the young lad trying to make his way in the tough world of professional football
No surprise to a lot of people Certainly talent there Guess it depends on how you harness it and whether you have a manager that wants players with creativity or the bog standard workhorses. Therefore I don't think we will see him in a Rovers shirt again. mores the pity in my opinion He was the answer to our missing number 10 position scored goals could take on defenders created opposition I bet not particularly wanting to play against him Compare that to some of our current incumbents Best wishes to the young lad trying to make his way in the tough world of professional football MattNewcastle
  • Score: 33

9:04am Thu 20 Mar 14

Harwoodstblue says...

Something strange going on here ????
What do a top six Spanish side see in Rochina that a mid table Championship side don't? Does it not tell us something ?
Is it just a case of getting another top earner off the books at any cost? Again.

I know Rochina has his fans / critics and rightly so, but to me he was never really given a chance or proper run of games to show off his best. He has his faults I know but a good determined coach could iron these out if they wanted to.
Something strange going on here ???? What do a top six Spanish side see in Rochina that a mid table Championship side don't? Does it not tell us something ? Is it just a case of getting another top earner off the books at any cost? Again. I know Rochina has his fans / critics and rightly so, but to me he was never really given a chance or proper run of games to show off his best. He has his faults I know but a good determined coach could iron these out if they wanted to. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 37

9:20am Thu 20 Mar 14

MattNewcastle says...

Harwoodstblue wrote:
Something strange going on here ????
What do a top six Spanish side see in Rochina that a mid table Championship side don't? Does it not tell us something ?
Is it just a case of getting another top earner off the books at any cost? Again.

I know Rochina has his fans / critics and rightly so, but to me he was never really given a chance or proper run of games to show off his best. He has his faults I know but a good determined coach could iron these out if they wanted to.
Hi

Agreed

Especially since he had been out for a considerable time through injury and needed a run of games to bed back in.
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: Something strange going on here ???? What do a top six Spanish side see in Rochina that a mid table Championship side don't? Does it not tell us something ? Is it just a case of getting another top earner off the books at any cost? Again. I know Rochina has his fans / critics and rightly so, but to me he was never really given a chance or proper run of games to show off his best. He has his faults I know but a good determined coach could iron these out if they wanted to.[/p][/quote]Hi Agreed Especially since he had been out for a considerable time through injury and needed a run of games to bed back in. MattNewcastle
  • Score: 18

9:24am Thu 20 Mar 14

Harwoodstblue says...

MattNewcastle wrote:
Harwoodstblue wrote:
Something strange going on here ????
What do a top six Spanish side see in Rochina that a mid table Championship side don't? Does it not tell us something ?
Is it just a case of getting another top earner off the books at any cost? Again.

I know Rochina has his fans / critics and rightly so, but to me he was never really given a chance or proper run of games to show off his best. He has his faults I know but a good determined coach could iron these out if they wanted to.
Hi

Agreed

Especially since he had been out for a considerable time through injury and needed a run of games to bed back in.
Exactly, he was out for months with a bad shoulder injury, played a couple of games on his return and promptly shipped out.
How can he have been a first choice at the beginning of the season to unwanted after just a few games?
[quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: Something strange going on here ???? What do a top six Spanish side see in Rochina that a mid table Championship side don't? Does it not tell us something ? Is it just a case of getting another top earner off the books at any cost? Again. I know Rochina has his fans / critics and rightly so, but to me he was never really given a chance or proper run of games to show off his best. He has his faults I know but a good determined coach could iron these out if they wanted to.[/p][/quote]Hi Agreed Especially since he had been out for a considerable time through injury and needed a run of games to bed back in.[/p][/quote]Exactly, he was out for months with a bad shoulder injury, played a couple of games on his return and promptly shipped out. How can he have been a first choice at the beginning of the season to unwanted after just a few games? Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 18

9:41am Thu 20 Mar 14

bring back the good old days says...

I fear that its GB's philosophy i.e. graft before guile (in every case)

I really hope that not the case though. The young Nuno is/was of a similar ability/promise, but he has gone also (from the scene that is). We are maybe fortunate that a 'hungry' Conway has appeared at his time , as I see him as being the only one presently that could encourage JR to give it that little bit longer.
Having said that, the accountancy figures I believe will dictate !
I fear that its GB's philosophy i.e. graft before guile (in every case) I really hope that not the case though. The young Nuno is/was of a similar ability/promise, but he has gone also (from the scene that is). We are maybe fortunate that a 'hungry' Conway has appeared at his time , as I see him as being the only one presently that could encourage JR to give it that little bit longer. Having said that, the accountancy figures I believe will dictate ! bring back the good old days
  • Score: 16

9:42am Thu 20 Mar 14

MattNewcastle says...

Harwoodstblue wrote:
MattNewcastle wrote:
Harwoodstblue wrote:
Something strange going on here ????
What do a top six Spanish side see in Rochina that a mid table Championship side don't? Does it not tell us something ?
Is it just a case of getting another top earner off the books at any cost? Again.

I know Rochina has his fans / critics and rightly so, but to me he was never really given a chance or proper run of games to show off his best. He has his faults I know but a good determined coach could iron these out if they wanted to.
Hi

Agreed

Especially since he had been out for a considerable time through injury and needed a run of games to bed back in.
Exactly, he was out for months with a bad shoulder injury, played a couple of games on his return and promptly shipped out.
How can he have been a first choice at the beginning of the season to unwanted after just a few games?
As you say

Says something either about the manager or in fact the club owners via the Board.

Or perhaps the fact that they just ignore the board and give dictate straight from Pune.

Who knows

Either way we have traded away one of our most promising young talented players.
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: Something strange going on here ???? What do a top six Spanish side see in Rochina that a mid table Championship side don't? Does it not tell us something ? Is it just a case of getting another top earner off the books at any cost? Again. I know Rochina has his fans / critics and rightly so, but to me he was never really given a chance or proper run of games to show off his best. He has his faults I know but a good determined coach could iron these out if they wanted to.[/p][/quote]Hi Agreed Especially since he had been out for a considerable time through injury and needed a run of games to bed back in.[/p][/quote]Exactly, he was out for months with a bad shoulder injury, played a couple of games on his return and promptly shipped out. How can he have been a first choice at the beginning of the season to unwanted after just a few games?[/p][/quote]As you say Says something either about the manager or in fact the club owners via the Board. Or perhaps the fact that they just ignore the board and give dictate straight from Pune. Who knows Either way we have traded away one of our most promising young talented players. MattNewcastle
  • Score: 13

9:53am Thu 20 Mar 14

McClaret says...

Was he on big wages?
Was he on big wages? McClaret
  • Score: 0

9:59am Thu 20 Mar 14

Harwoodstblue says...

Sociedad are no mugs and have had Rochina 'scouted.' They see him as "a player of great potential"

They see him as a "cost effective replacement" for Antoine Greizmann, French international,who apparently wants away.
Sociedad are no mugs and have had Rochina 'scouted.' They see him as "a player of great potential" They see him as a "cost effective replacement" for Antoine Greizmann, French international,who apparently wants away. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 9

10:06am Thu 20 Mar 14

Chipdan says...

I think the problem here is not just Rovers, but the mentality of English football. Fans and managers all over then country want to see 100%, heart on your sleeve players. We think that is a skill when it couldn't be further from the truth. How many times do we shout 'Get stuck in', or 'show some passion'?
It says a lot when we have Jason Lowe playing 100 games for the club, yet a raw talent like Rochina is not chanced. He's not on his own though. Adel Taarabt was on the fringes at QPR and Fulham, but now he's at AC Milan!
I would love to have seen Rochina given a run of games this season, he may frustrate I agree, but no doubt he would have created a bit of magic that could have been the difference in a match. (remember the attempted shot away at Yeovil?) A gifted player who in an instant will have you on the edge of your seat.
Good luck Ruben!
I think the problem here is not just Rovers, but the mentality of English football. Fans and managers all over then country want to see 100%, heart on your sleeve players. We think that is a skill when it couldn't be further from the truth. How many times do we shout 'Get stuck in', or 'show some passion'? It says a lot when we have Jason Lowe playing 100 games for the club, yet a raw talent like Rochina is not chanced. He's not on his own though. Adel Taarabt was on the fringes at QPR and Fulham, but now he's at AC Milan! I would love to have seen Rochina given a run of games this season, he may frustrate I agree, but no doubt he would have created a bit of magic that could have been the difference in a match. (remember the attempted shot away at Yeovil?) A gifted player who in an instant will have you on the edge of your seat. Good luck Ruben! Chipdan
  • Score: 17

10:16am Thu 20 Mar 14

Harwoodstblue says...

Chipdan wrote:
I think the problem here is not just Rovers, but the mentality of English football. Fans and managers all over then country want to see 100%, heart on your sleeve players. We think that is a skill when it couldn't be further from the truth. How many times do we shout 'Get stuck in', or 'show some passion'?
It says a lot when we have Jason Lowe playing 100 games for the club, yet a raw talent like Rochina is not chanced. He's not on his own though. Adel Taarabt was on the fringes at QPR and Fulham, but now he's at AC Milan!
I would love to have seen Rochina given a run of games this season, he may frustrate I agree, but no doubt he would have created a bit of magic that could have been the difference in a match. (remember the attempted shot away at Yeovil?) A gifted player who in an instant will have you on the edge of your seat.
Good luck Ruben!
Good post Chipdan. Rochina is still our player and I hope he stays. If not I don't think we will have heard the last of him but someone else will have benefited.
[quote][p][bold]Chipdan[/bold] wrote: I think the problem here is not just Rovers, but the mentality of English football. Fans and managers all over then country want to see 100%, heart on your sleeve players. We think that is a skill when it couldn't be further from the truth. How many times do we shout 'Get stuck in', or 'show some passion'? It says a lot when we have Jason Lowe playing 100 games for the club, yet a raw talent like Rochina is not chanced. He's not on his own though. Adel Taarabt was on the fringes at QPR and Fulham, but now he's at AC Milan! I would love to have seen Rochina given a run of games this season, he may frustrate I agree, but no doubt he would have created a bit of magic that could have been the difference in a match. (remember the attempted shot away at Yeovil?) A gifted player who in an instant will have you on the edge of your seat. Good luck Ruben![/p][/quote]Good post Chipdan. Rochina is still our player and I hope he stays. If not I don't think we will have heard the last of him but someone else will have benefited. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 11

10:16am Thu 20 Mar 14

eddyo says...

Harwoodstblue wrote:
Something strange going on here ????
What do a top six Spanish side see in Rochina that a mid table Championship side don't? Does it not tell us something ?
Is it just a case of getting another top earner off the books at any cost? Again.

I know Rochina has his fans / critics and rightly so, but to me he was never really given a chance or proper run of games to show off his best. He has his faults I know but a good determined coach could iron these out if they wanted to.
Watch La Liga football and then watch a typical Championship game. It practically isn't the same sport.
*
Give Rochina steak pudding chips, peas and gravy and tell him it's his tea. It's not like paella is it? Tasty sometimes, but by halfway you have had enough.
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: Something strange going on here ???? What do a top six Spanish side see in Rochina that a mid table Championship side don't? Does it not tell us something ? Is it just a case of getting another top earner off the books at any cost? Again. I know Rochina has his fans / critics and rightly so, but to me he was never really given a chance or proper run of games to show off his best. He has his faults I know but a good determined coach could iron these out if they wanted to.[/p][/quote]Watch La Liga football and then watch a typical Championship game. It practically isn't the same sport. * Give Rochina steak pudding chips, peas and gravy and tell him it's his tea. It's not like paella is it? Tasty sometimes, but by halfway you have had enough. eddyo
  • Score: 0

10:49am Thu 20 Mar 14

Roverthere says...

Show pony - let him go!
Show pony - let him go! Roverthere
  • Score: -12

11:09am Thu 20 Mar 14

owd nick says...

Harwoodstblue wrote:
Something strange going on here ????
What do a top six Spanish side see in Rochina that a mid table Championship side don't? Does it not tell us something ?
Is it just a case of getting another top earner off the books at any cost? Again.

I know Rochina has his fans / critics and rightly so, but to me he was never really given a chance or proper run of games to show off his best. He has his faults I know but a good determined coach could iron these out if they wanted to.
Agree, to me he is the most skillful player on our books, and the most frustrating, but isn't that usually the case? I remember seeing George Best many times in his early days and in his pomp, not as good as Best but there are similarities.

I wouldn't write off seeing him in a Rovers shirt again but we don't know what is going on behind the scenes, it could be a contractual thing but I think the most likely reason is his unpredictability, it's OK being unpredictable in our opponents penalty area, but not in our half of the pitch.

The fact that he is doing reasonably well out on loan won't be lost on Rovers.
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: Something strange going on here ???? What do a top six Spanish side see in Rochina that a mid table Championship side don't? Does it not tell us something ? Is it just a case of getting another top earner off the books at any cost? Again. I know Rochina has his fans / critics and rightly so, but to me he was never really given a chance or proper run of games to show off his best. He has his faults I know but a good determined coach could iron these out if they wanted to.[/p][/quote]Agree, to me he is the most skillful player on our books, and the most frustrating, but isn't that usually the case? I remember seeing George Best many times in his early days and in his pomp, not as good as Best but there are similarities. I wouldn't write off seeing him in a Rovers shirt again but we don't know what is going on behind the scenes, it could be a contractual thing but I think the most likely reason is his unpredictability, it's OK being unpredictable in our opponents penalty area, but not in our half of the pitch. The fact that he is doing reasonably well out on loan won't be lost on Rovers. owd nick
  • Score: 5

11:16am Thu 20 Mar 14

A Rover 45 years and over says...

GB wanted him back in the squad and then froze him out after injury and didn't even give him a chance. because he was hell bent on holding on to a game rather tha taking game by the scruff of the neck, hence Rochina didn't fit the bill. Don't think we will see him in a Rovers shirt again,
GB wanted him back in the squad and then froze him out after injury and didn't even give him a chance. because he was hell bent on holding on to a game rather tha taking game by the scruff of the neck, hence Rochina didn't fit the bill. Don't think we will see him in a Rovers shirt again, A Rover 45 years and over
  • Score: 10

11:28am Thu 20 Mar 14

ChrisDeBerg says...

owd nick wrote:
Harwoodstblue wrote:
Something strange going on here ????
What do a top six Spanish side see in Rochina that a mid table Championship side don't? Does it not tell us something ?
Is it just a case of getting another top earner off the books at any cost? Again.

I know Rochina has his fans / critics and rightly so, but to me he was never really given a chance or proper run of games to show off his best. He has his faults I know but a good determined coach could iron these out if they wanted to.
Agree, to me he is the most skillful player on our books, and the most frustrating, but isn't that usually the case? I remember seeing George Best many times in his early days and in his pomp, not as good as Best but there are similarities.

I wouldn't write off seeing him in a Rovers shirt again but we don't know what is going on behind the scenes, it could be a contractual thing but I think the most likely reason is his unpredictability, it's OK being unpredictable in our opponents penalty area, but not in our half of the pitch.

The fact that he is doing reasonably well out on loan won't be lost on Rovers.
What you have to remember though guys, is that (as someone pointed out above) this is English footy, not Spanish... I really like the way Nunes and Rochina play, really talented both of them... But, and this is a big but, both of them just got pushed off the ball with ease, certainly nowhere near strong enough to come up against most defenders in English football. In Spain, they are given more time on the ball and fouls for softer challenges (usually by doing a funky roll on the ground)... Rochina would probably be a lot better for us if we were in the premiership, again this is another league where you are given more time on the ball to be flamboyant, but the championship is just too rough a place for him imo!
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: Something strange going on here ???? What do a top six Spanish side see in Rochina that a mid table Championship side don't? Does it not tell us something ? Is it just a case of getting another top earner off the books at any cost? Again. I know Rochina has his fans / critics and rightly so, but to me he was never really given a chance or proper run of games to show off his best. He has his faults I know but a good determined coach could iron these out if they wanted to.[/p][/quote]Agree, to me he is the most skillful player on our books, and the most frustrating, but isn't that usually the case? I remember seeing George Best many times in his early days and in his pomp, not as good as Best but there are similarities. I wouldn't write off seeing him in a Rovers shirt again but we don't know what is going on behind the scenes, it could be a contractual thing but I think the most likely reason is his unpredictability, it's OK being unpredictable in our opponents penalty area, but not in our half of the pitch. The fact that he is doing reasonably well out on loan won't be lost on Rovers.[/p][/quote]What you have to remember though guys, is that (as someone pointed out above) this is English footy, not Spanish... I really like the way Nunes and Rochina play, really talented both of them... But, and this is a big but, both of them just got pushed off the ball with ease, certainly nowhere near strong enough to come up against most defenders in English football. In Spain, they are given more time on the ball and fouls for softer challenges (usually by doing a funky roll on the ground)... Rochina would probably be a lot better for us if we were in the premiership, again this is another league where you are given more time on the ball to be flamboyant, but the championship is just too rough a place for him imo! ChrisDeBerg
  • Score: 5

11:39am Thu 20 Mar 14

peely says...

Ruben Rochina we let go and sign Liam Feeney ! Enough said , says it all about " call me Gaz " absolutely clueless !
Ruben Rochina we let go and sign Liam Feeney ! Enough said , says it all about " call me Gaz " absolutely clueless ! peely
  • Score: 19

11:54am Thu 20 Mar 14

Tatts says...

peely wrote:
Ruben Rochina we let go and sign Liam Feeney ! Enough said , says it all about " call me Gaz " absolutely clueless !
Rochina has fantastic technical ability but zero awareness of his team-mates around him. Yes, he does show the odd flash of brilliance, but this is far outweighed by all the time that he spends either falling over or giving the ball away.

Can anyone honestly say that he played well for us?

Also, Feeney has looked good in his brief appearances as sub.
[quote][p][bold]peely[/bold] wrote: Ruben Rochina we let go and sign Liam Feeney ! Enough said , says it all about " call me Gaz " absolutely clueless ![/p][/quote]Rochina has fantastic technical ability but zero awareness of his team-mates around him. Yes, he does show the odd flash of brilliance, but this is far outweighed by all the time that he spends either falling over or giving the ball away. Can anyone honestly say that he played well for us? Also, Feeney has looked good in his brief appearances as sub. Tatts
  • Score: -10

1:09pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Wild Rover says...

Tatts wrote:
peely wrote:
Ruben Rochina we let go and sign Liam Feeney ! Enough said , says it all about " call me Gaz " absolutely clueless !
Rochina has fantastic technical ability but zero awareness of his team-mates around him. Yes, he does show the odd flash of brilliance, but this is far outweighed by all the time that he spends either falling over or giving the ball away.

Can anyone honestly say that he played well for us?

Also, Feeney has looked good in his brief appearances as sub.
Agreed Tatts, he has had plenty of time to show he can learn, rembember the manager sees him everday in training not once a week for 90 minutes or less.
Does anyone seriously believe that GB would not have used him if he was delivering on the pitch?
He is a show pony, and a liability in this country and in our league.
I am not surprised he is doing a little better in Spain and wish him well but I would not have him back in our team
Cant be doing with all this false sentiment about players who have left after not delivering. Its always the same, he was never given a chance, great player. Blah blah, fill in names or delete as appropriate.....Roch
ina, Kalanic,Goodwillie, Best, Yorkie, Dahlin , Kev Davies, Derbyshire.....blah again
[quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peely[/bold] wrote: Ruben Rochina we let go and sign Liam Feeney ! Enough said , says it all about " call me Gaz " absolutely clueless ![/p][/quote]Rochina has fantastic technical ability but zero awareness of his team-mates around him. Yes, he does show the odd flash of brilliance, but this is far outweighed by all the time that he spends either falling over or giving the ball away. Can anyone honestly say that he played well for us? Also, Feeney has looked good in his brief appearances as sub.[/p][/quote]Agreed Tatts, he has had plenty of time to show he can learn, rembember the manager sees him everday in training not once a week for 90 minutes or less. Does anyone seriously believe that GB would not have used him if he was delivering on the pitch? He is a show pony, and a liability in this country and in our league. I am not surprised he is doing a little better in Spain and wish him well but I would not have him back in our team Cant be doing with all this false sentiment about players who have left after not delivering. Its always the same, he was never given a chance, great player. Blah blah, fill in names or delete as appropriate.....Roch ina, Kalanic,Goodwillie, Best, Yorkie, Dahlin , Kev Davies, Derbyshire.....blah again Wild Rover
  • Score: -6

1:09pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Wild Rover says...

Tatts wrote:
peely wrote:
Ruben Rochina we let go and sign Liam Feeney ! Enough said , says it all about " call me Gaz " absolutely clueless !
Rochina has fantastic technical ability but zero awareness of his team-mates around him. Yes, he does show the odd flash of brilliance, but this is far outweighed by all the time that he spends either falling over or giving the ball away.

Can anyone honestly say that he played well for us?

Also, Feeney has looked good in his brief appearances as sub.
Agreed Tatts, he has had plenty of time to show he can learn, rembember the manager sees him everday in training not once a week for 90 minutes or less.
Does anyone seriously believe that GB would not have used him if he was delivering on the pitch?
He is a show pony, and a liability in this country and in our league.
I am not surprised he is doing a little better in Spain and wish him well but I would not have him back in our team
Cant be doing with all this false sentiment about players who have left after not delivering. Its always the same, he was never given a chance, great player. Blah blah, fill in names or delete as appropriate.....Roch
ina, Kalanic,Goodwillie, Best, Yorkie, Dahlin , Kev Davies, Derbyshire.....blah again
[quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peely[/bold] wrote: Ruben Rochina we let go and sign Liam Feeney ! Enough said , says it all about " call me Gaz " absolutely clueless ![/p][/quote]Rochina has fantastic technical ability but zero awareness of his team-mates around him. Yes, he does show the odd flash of brilliance, but this is far outweighed by all the time that he spends either falling over or giving the ball away. Can anyone honestly say that he played well for us? Also, Feeney has looked good in his brief appearances as sub.[/p][/quote]Agreed Tatts, he has had plenty of time to show he can learn, rembember the manager sees him everday in training not once a week for 90 minutes or less. Does anyone seriously believe that GB would not have used him if he was delivering on the pitch? He is a show pony, and a liability in this country and in our league. I am not surprised he is doing a little better in Spain and wish him well but I would not have him back in our team Cant be doing with all this false sentiment about players who have left after not delivering. Its always the same, he was never given a chance, great player. Blah blah, fill in names or delete as appropriate.....Roch ina, Kalanic,Goodwillie, Best, Yorkie, Dahlin , Kev Davies, Derbyshire.....blah again Wild Rover
  • Score: -2

1:21pm Thu 20 Mar 14

rover4life says...

Say what you want about Rochina but he has the ability to excite and entertain.
Football is supposed to be an entertaining sport but there is nothing entertaining about watching dire endless midfield backwards and sideways passing until you lose possession.
It makes me quite nostalgic for the allardyce days when we knew we were not the best but still got about teams and gave ourselves a fighting chance by putting the ball in the box.
Trying to pack the team with workhorses does not show any ambition as nobody has the guile to cause problems and yet we insist on passing our way to the net.
Say what you want about Rochina but he has the ability to excite and entertain. Football is supposed to be an entertaining sport but there is nothing entertaining about watching dire endless midfield backwards and sideways passing until you lose possession. It makes me quite nostalgic for the allardyce days when we knew we were not the best but still got about teams and gave ourselves a fighting chance by putting the ball in the box. Trying to pack the team with workhorses does not show any ambition as nobody has the guile to cause problems and yet we insist on passing our way to the net. rover4life
  • Score: 11

1:35pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Crow27 says...

Brain before Braun! I think Rochina would do well with a few games under his belt and looking up while playing. He is an entertainer and that's what we watch football for. Im sure Southampton fans said bad things about Le Tissier but you only remember the good bits. Ronaldo was light when he went to Utd put with guidance look at him now! He has been loaned out the pat 2 Jan windows, maybe he doesn't like playing in the cold!
Brain before Braun! I think Rochina would do well with a few games under his belt and looking up while playing. He is an entertainer and that's what we watch football for. Im sure Southampton fans said bad things about Le Tissier but you only remember the good bits. Ronaldo was light when he went to Utd put with guidance look at him now! He has been loaned out the pat 2 Jan windows, maybe he doesn't like playing in the cold! Crow27
  • Score: 3

2:17pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Not_A_Loon_From_Pune says...

peely wrote:
Ruben Rochina we let go and sign Liam Feeney ! Enough said , says it all about " call me Gaz " absolutely clueless !
I'm guessing but ...
Ruben Rochina = £30K per week
Liam Feeney = £300 per week
[quote][p][bold]peely[/bold] wrote: Ruben Rochina we let go and sign Liam Feeney ! Enough said , says it all about " call me Gaz " absolutely clueless ![/p][/quote]I'm guessing but ... Ruben Rochina = £30K per week Liam Feeney = £300 per week Not_A_Loon_From_Pune
  • Score: 1

2:33pm Thu 20 Mar 14

owd nick says...

Tatts wrote:
peely wrote:
Ruben Rochina we let go and sign Liam Feeney ! Enough said , says it all about " call me Gaz " absolutely clueless !
Rochina has fantastic technical ability but zero awareness of his team-mates around him. Yes, he does show the odd flash of brilliance, but this is far outweighed by all the time that he spends either falling over or giving the ball away.

Can anyone honestly say that he played well for us?

Also, Feeney has looked good in his brief appearances as sub.
Sorry, while I agree with you on Rochina's inconsistency there is no way that Feeney can be compared to him or considered a better option, from what I have seen so far once King and Marshall are back to full fitness he shouldn't get on the bench.
[quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peely[/bold] wrote: Ruben Rochina we let go and sign Liam Feeney ! Enough said , says it all about " call me Gaz " absolutely clueless ![/p][/quote]Rochina has fantastic technical ability but zero awareness of his team-mates around him. Yes, he does show the odd flash of brilliance, but this is far outweighed by all the time that he spends either falling over or giving the ball away. Can anyone honestly say that he played well for us? Also, Feeney has looked good in his brief appearances as sub.[/p][/quote]Sorry, while I agree with you on Rochina's inconsistency there is no way that Feeney can be compared to him or considered a better option, from what I have seen so far once King and Marshall are back to full fitness he shouldn't get on the bench. owd nick
  • Score: 8

3:10pm Thu 20 Mar 14

adcr says...

The problem with Ruben is he can't play as a member of a team and he isn't prolific enough for us to overlook the fact that he can't play as a member of a team.

Maybe he will start maturing and fulfil is potential, but if anyone offered us anywhere near a couple of million for him, I would snap their hands off. If nobody offered at least £1m I may be inclined to keep him, it all would depend if Bowyer saw him in his long term plans or not.
The problem with Ruben is he can't play as a member of a team and he isn't prolific enough for us to overlook the fact that he can't play as a member of a team. Maybe he will start maturing and fulfil is potential, but if anyone offered us anywhere near a couple of million for him, I would snap their hands off. If nobody offered at least £1m I may be inclined to keep him, it all would depend if Bowyer saw him in his long term plans or not. adcr
  • Score: 5

3:26pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Harwoodstblue says...

adcr wrote:
The problem with Ruben is he can't play as a member of a team and he isn't prolific enough for us to overlook the fact that he can't play as a member of a team.

Maybe he will start maturing and fulfil is potential, but if anyone offered us anywhere near a couple of million for him, I would snap their hands off. If nobody offered at least £1m I may be inclined to keep him, it all would depend if Bowyer saw him in his long term plans or not.
He only has another year on his contract so we would probably get next to nothing for him. As usual he came with an "un-disclosed" fee.
Like you say I hope he can mature and become a team player sooner rather than later.
[quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: The problem with Ruben is he can't play as a member of a team and he isn't prolific enough for us to overlook the fact that he can't play as a member of a team. Maybe he will start maturing and fulfil is potential, but if anyone offered us anywhere near a couple of million for him, I would snap their hands off. If nobody offered at least £1m I may be inclined to keep him, it all would depend if Bowyer saw him in his long term plans or not.[/p][/quote]He only has another year on his contract so we would probably get next to nothing for him. As usual he came with an "un-disclosed" fee. Like you say I hope he can mature and become a team player sooner rather than later. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 4

3:44pm Thu 20 Mar 14

adcr says...

Harwoodstblue wrote:
adcr wrote:
The problem with Ruben is he can't play as a member of a team and he isn't prolific enough for us to overlook the fact that he can't play as a member of a team.

Maybe he will start maturing and fulfil is potential, but if anyone offered us anywhere near a couple of million for him, I would snap their hands off. If nobody offered at least £1m I may be inclined to keep him, it all would depend if Bowyer saw him in his long term plans or not.
He only has another year on his contract so we would probably get next to nothing for him. As usual he came with an "un-disclosed" fee.
Like you say I hope he can mature and become a team player sooner rather than later.
That makes things difficult then because if he was to sign a new contract he would be wanting something approaching what he is on now. That isn't going to happen. I suspect he will run his contract down and leave on a free. My hunch is that he wants to go back home to Spain, so even if we did want him to stay it would be difficult.

I think Sociedad will know his contract situation and will no doubt feel that they can get him for free.

To all the people who are saying that we haven't give him a chance here - didn't we send him on loan to Spain last season and didn't his club get relegated and also decide not to take up the their option to buy. Nobody else in Spain last year wanted to step in and take him off our hands either.

He may or may not one day become a great player, but is he worth spending many millions on contracts while we wait and see.
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: The problem with Ruben is he can't play as a member of a team and he isn't prolific enough for us to overlook the fact that he can't play as a member of a team. Maybe he will start maturing and fulfil is potential, but if anyone offered us anywhere near a couple of million for him, I would snap their hands off. If nobody offered at least £1m I may be inclined to keep him, it all would depend if Bowyer saw him in his long term plans or not.[/p][/quote]He only has another year on his contract so we would probably get next to nothing for him. As usual he came with an "un-disclosed" fee. Like you say I hope he can mature and become a team player sooner rather than later.[/p][/quote]That makes things difficult then because if he was to sign a new contract he would be wanting something approaching what he is on now. That isn't going to happen. I suspect he will run his contract down and leave on a free. My hunch is that he wants to go back home to Spain, so even if we did want him to stay it would be difficult. I think Sociedad will know his contract situation and will no doubt feel that they can get him for free. To all the people who are saying that we haven't give him a chance here - didn't we send him on loan to Spain last season and didn't his club get relegated and also decide not to take up the their option to buy. Nobody else in Spain last year wanted to step in and take him off our hands either. He may or may not one day become a great player, but is he worth spending many millions on contracts while we wait and see. adcr
  • Score: 4

4:15pm Thu 20 Mar 14

MxMave says...

This is one of the biggest worries for me. Bowyer clearly isn't not selecting him based on skill or talent. Hence he must be keeping him out of the squad for wage reasons.

I know he's currently on loan but when he was fit prior to this, he didn't get a game, which makes me worry that the policy from the top down at Rovers is "don't play him, upset him, make him want to leave and cancel his contract because we can't afford to pay him out".
This is one of the biggest worries for me. Bowyer clearly isn't not selecting him based on skill or talent. Hence he must be keeping him out of the squad for wage reasons. I know he's currently on loan but when he was fit prior to this, he didn't get a game, which makes me worry that the policy from the top down at Rovers is "don't play him, upset him, make him want to leave and cancel his contract because we can't afford to pay him out". MxMave
  • Score: 2

4:51pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Harwoodstblue says...

MxMave wrote:
This is one of the biggest worries for me. Bowyer clearly isn't not selecting him based on skill or talent. Hence he must be keeping him out of the squad for wage reasons.

I know he's currently on loan but when he was fit prior to this, he didn't get a game, which makes me worry that the policy from the top down at Rovers is "don't play him, upset him, make him want to leave and cancel his contract because we can't afford to pay him out".
My thoughts exactly. Looks like our owners in India are still at it. Not fair on the fans who continue to attend to see this on-going policy.
[quote][p][bold]MxMave[/bold] wrote: This is one of the biggest worries for me. Bowyer clearly isn't not selecting him based on skill or talent. Hence he must be keeping him out of the squad for wage reasons. I know he's currently on loan but when he was fit prior to this, he didn't get a game, which makes me worry that the policy from the top down at Rovers is "don't play him, upset him, make him want to leave and cancel his contract because we can't afford to pay him out".[/p][/quote]My thoughts exactly. Looks like our owners in India are still at it. Not fair on the fans who continue to attend to see this on-going policy. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 3

6:54pm Thu 20 Mar 14

MattNewcastle says...

He is only 23 this coming weekend Sunday for goodness sake

Plenty of time for a quality coaching set up to do their job

Perhaps that's the problem and weakness we have!!!!!!
He is only 23 this coming weekend Sunday for goodness sake Plenty of time for a quality coaching set up to do their job Perhaps that's the problem and weakness we have!!!!!! MattNewcastle
  • Score: 3

11:05pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Angry From Accrington says...

Rochina is possibly the most talented player on our books but successive managers have not had the vision to use him. I am afraid that we are overlooking the fact that he will be coming to the end of his contract soon and we will probably lose him without a fee. What a waste!
Rochina is possibly the most talented player on our books but successive managers have not had the vision to use him. I am afraid that we are overlooking the fact that he will be coming to the end of his contract soon and we will probably lose him without a fee. What a waste! Angry From Accrington
  • Score: 0

11:15pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Angry From Accrington says...

Wild Rover wrote:
Tatts wrote:
peely wrote:
Ruben Rochina we let go and sign Liam Feeney ! Enough said , says it all about " call me Gaz " absolutely clueless !
Rochina has fantastic technical ability but zero awareness of his team-mates around him. Yes, he does show the odd flash of brilliance, but this is far outweighed by all the time that he spends either falling over or giving the ball away.

Can anyone honestly say that he played well for us?

Also, Feeney has looked good in his brief appearances as sub.
Agreed Tatts, he has had plenty of time to show he can learn, rembember the manager sees him everday in training not once a week for 90 minutes or less.
Does anyone seriously believe that GB would not have used him if he was delivering on the pitch?
He is a show pony, and a liability in this country and in our league.
I am not surprised he is doing a little better in Spain and wish him well but I would not have him back in our team
Cant be doing with all this false sentiment about players who have left after not delivering. Its always the same, he was never given a chance, great player. Blah blah, fill in names or delete as appropriate.....Roch

ina, Kalanic,Goodwillie, Best, Yorkie, Dahlin , Kev Davies, Derbyshire.....blah again
Sorry Wild Rover but what they do on the training ground is immaterial. It's those ninety minutes on the pitch that count. There's no false sentiment on my part but there should always be room for a flair player. Henley, Lowe and Willimason might be world beaters at Brockhall but they are only playing against their even more mediocre reserve colleagues.
[quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peely[/bold] wrote: Ruben Rochina we let go and sign Liam Feeney ! Enough said , says it all about " call me Gaz " absolutely clueless ![/p][/quote]Rochina has fantastic technical ability but zero awareness of his team-mates around him. Yes, he does show the odd flash of brilliance, but this is far outweighed by all the time that he spends either falling over or giving the ball away. Can anyone honestly say that he played well for us? Also, Feeney has looked good in his brief appearances as sub.[/p][/quote]Agreed Tatts, he has had plenty of time to show he can learn, rembember the manager sees him everday in training not once a week for 90 minutes or less. Does anyone seriously believe that GB would not have used him if he was delivering on the pitch? He is a show pony, and a liability in this country and in our league. I am not surprised he is doing a little better in Spain and wish him well but I would not have him back in our team Cant be doing with all this false sentiment about players who have left after not delivering. Its always the same, he was never given a chance, great player. Blah blah, fill in names or delete as appropriate.....Roch ina, Kalanic,Goodwillie, Best, Yorkie, Dahlin , Kev Davies, Derbyshire.....blah again[/p][/quote]Sorry Wild Rover but what they do on the training ground is immaterial. It's those ninety minutes on the pitch that count. There's no false sentiment on my part but there should always be room for a flair player. Henley, Lowe and Willimason might be world beaters at Brockhall but they are only playing against their even more mediocre reserve colleagues. Angry From Accrington
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