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Dan Clough column: Hopes of Blackburn Rovers victory departed when Dunn went off

Lancashire Telegraph: David Dunn David Dunn

CERTAIN individuals are more important than others when it comes to derby day.

People like Simon Garner, a man for whom the East Lancashire derby produced some special moments, were simply irreplaceable when it came to games against Burnley.

In the current era, that role is filled by David Dunn.

Dunny, from Great Harwood, is such an important character for Rovers against Burnley.

The midfielder is the only person in the Ewood camp with a proper understanding of the importance of the match.

Because of that, his influence is priceless.

Yesterday he gave 110 per cent and battled for everything.

So I do not think I was alone in being stunned at his removal from the field to be replaced by loanee Liam Feeney.

Feeney, a man who can’t get a game at Millwall yet was good enough for us, got booked before he had even kicked the ball.

There was a sense of inevitability around what happened next.

Within minutes, the dynamic of the game had changed completely and Burnley equalised from a set piece.

Granted, it is unheard of for Dunny to last 90 minutes these days – but against Burnley I am certain he would have managed.

The turning point in the game, however, was earlier in the second half.

Two inches to the right and Jordan Rhodes would have doubled our lead and perhaps put the game beyond Burnley, but his shot cannoned back off the post and our rivals were off the hook.

Yet again we were ahead and allowed the opposition to come back into the match.

Regardless of the opposition, that lack of composure is what has undone us on too many occasions.

Our defending of set pieces has also regularly been our undoing and we were again caught napping.

The usually solid Paul Robinson can also take a portion of blame for his part in both Burnley goals.

So this is how it feels to lose against Burnley. Never in all my 27 years have I experienced this before.

I guess it had to happen one day.

The worrying thing now is how long before we beat them again?

It was 35 years since a Burnley win. Now it is going on five years since Rovers won!

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5:28pm Mon 10 Mar 14

FCBurnley says...

The worrying thing for you guys is `How long before you PLAY them again `?

As for the substitution of Dunn. He is overweight and not fit enough to play at this level. Maybe bring him on as a super sub but thats it. I doubt that he will ever play against the Clarets again. I guess you could say he is Done.
The worrying thing for you guys is `How long before you PLAY them again `? As for the substitution of Dunn. He is overweight and not fit enough to play at this level. Maybe bring him on as a super sub but thats it. I doubt that he will ever play against the Clarets again. I guess you could say he is Done. FCBurnley
  • Score: 1

5:47pm Mon 10 Mar 14

dangerous dave says...

only one guy to blame for this result and the state we find the club in whether in terms of tactics, substitutions or recruitment of freebies/no bodies like the latest reserve from Millwall and that is Bowyer - its sImple he s not up to the mark and should go thats if the Venkeys/Shaw have any sense - which we know they havent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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OUT WITH THE COWBOYS AND INDIANS
only one guy to blame for this result and the state we find the club in whether in terms of tactics, substitutions or recruitment of freebies/no bodies like the latest reserve from Millwall and that is Bowyer - its sImple he s not up to the mark and should go thats if the Venkeys/Shaw have any sense - which we know they havent!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! OUT WITH THE COWBOYS AND INDIANS dangerous dave
  • Score: 4

5:53pm Mon 10 Mar 14

owd nick says...

dangerous dave wrote:
only one guy to blame for this result and the state we find the club in whether in terms of tactics, substitutions or recruitment of freebies/no bodies like the latest reserve from Millwall and that is Bowyer - its sImple he s not up to the mark and should go thats if the Venkeys/Shaw have any sense - which we know they havent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!
OUT WITH THE COWBOYS AND INDIANS
Looks like you have trawled through most sensible posters comments Dave and copied them in an attempt to make you look sensible.
[quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: only one guy to blame for this result and the state we find the club in whether in terms of tactics, substitutions or recruitment of freebies/no bodies like the latest reserve from Millwall and that is Bowyer - its sImple he s not up to the mark and should go thats if the Venkeys/Shaw have any sense - which we know they havent!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! OUT WITH THE COWBOYS AND INDIANS[/p][/quote]Looks like you have trawled through most sensible posters comments Dave and copied them in an attempt to make you look sensible. owd nick
  • Score: 1

6:05pm Mon 10 Mar 14

more bans than ray - brfc lxxv says...

FCBurnley wrote:
The worrying thing for you guys is `How long before you PLAY them again `?

As for the substitution of Dunn. He is overweight and not fit enough to play at this level. Maybe bring him on as a super sub but thats it. I doubt that he will ever play against the Clarets again. I guess you could say he is Done.
It won't be long before we play you again. Even if you go up you'll be straight back down. That's not banter or a dig it's just what will happen. There's no denying the job Dyche has done is superb, not to mention the 3 good players you have in Ings, Trippier and Vokes, who've somehow virtually stayed injury and suspension free all season but the harsh truth of modern day football is that none of them will hang around once they get offered deals that Burnley simply can't live with.
[quote][p][bold]FCBurnley[/bold] wrote: The worrying thing for you guys is `How long before you PLAY them again `? As for the substitution of Dunn. He is overweight and not fit enough to play at this level. Maybe bring him on as a super sub but thats it. I doubt that he will ever play against the Clarets again. I guess you could say he is Done.[/p][/quote]It won't be long before we play you again. Even if you go up you'll be straight back down. That's not banter or a dig it's just what will happen. There's no denying the job Dyche has done is superb, not to mention the 3 good players you have in Ings, Trippier and Vokes, who've somehow virtually stayed injury and suspension free all season but the harsh truth of modern day football is that none of them will hang around once they get offered deals that Burnley simply can't live with. more bans than ray - brfc lxxv
  • Score: 11

6:06pm Mon 10 Mar 14

owd nick says...

Dunny looked OK to me when he went off, I suspect he was also willing to run through brick walls one more time just as he did last season.

As I said on another thread, replacing him with a guy no-one knows, a Millwall reserve if you must, was nothing short of criminal, the guys who have bust a gut for us all season must be wondering what the hell was going on, even Williamson would have been a better option.

While I will continue to support GB until December next year he cannot continue to be making the same mistakes game after game, his inexperience and tactical naivety has cost us at least 15 points this season, probably more.

I accept he is rebuilding, I accept he is clearing the decks for FFP and all that jazz, but at the end of the day there can't be any excuses for not learning from mistakes in sport at any level..
Dunny looked OK to me when he went off, I suspect he was also willing to run through brick walls one more time just as he did last season. As I said on another thread, replacing him with a guy no-one knows, a Millwall reserve if you must, was nothing short of criminal, the guys who have bust a gut for us all season must be wondering what the hell was going on, even Williamson would have been a better option. While I will continue to support GB until December next year he cannot continue to be making the same mistakes game after game, his inexperience and tactical naivety has cost us at least 15 points this season, probably more. I accept he is rebuilding, I accept he is clearing the decks for FFP and all that jazz, but at the end of the day there can't be any excuses for not learning from mistakes in sport at any level.. owd nick
  • Score: 7

6:32pm Mon 10 Mar 14

mavrick says...

As soon as I heard that Dunny was coming off I felt it was the wrong decision by a manager who does not understand the importance of this derby, I have seen Dunny play and he is coming into his twilight years as a player, however he is still two cuts above the rest of the squad Blackburn have. It does show how far the club has gone down and I doubt if it will be going up anytime soon. so enjoy the parts Dunny may play because it will be a long time before the club can afford players of his standard.
As soon as I heard that Dunny was coming off I felt it was the wrong decision by a manager who does not understand the importance of this derby, I have seen Dunny play and he is coming into his twilight years as a player, however he is still two cuts above the rest of the squad Blackburn have. It does show how far the club has gone down and I doubt if it will be going up anytime soon. so enjoy the parts Dunny may play because it will be a long time before the club can afford players of his standard. mavrick
  • Score: 7

6:53pm Mon 10 Mar 14

DanBlackburn says...

This is what we should have done and what I feel we still need to do:

http://uk.eurosport.
yahoo.com/blogs/pitc
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ans-stay-away-protes
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This is what we should have done and what I feel we still need to do: http://uk.eurosport. yahoo.com/blogs/pitc hside-europe/lazio-f ans-stay-away-protes t-club-president-190 710192.html DanBlackburn
  • Score: -3

7:07pm Mon 10 Mar 14

FCBurnley says...

more bans than ray - brfc lxxv wrote:
FCBurnley wrote:
The worrying thing for you guys is `How long before you PLAY them again `?

As for the substitution of Dunn. He is overweight and not fit enough to play at this level. Maybe bring him on as a super sub but thats it. I doubt that he will ever play against the Clarets again. I guess you could say he is Done.
It won't be long before we play you again. Even if you go up you'll be straight back down. That's not banter or a dig it's just what will happen. There's no denying the job Dyche has done is superb, not to mention the 3 good players you have in Ings, Trippier and Vokes, who've somehow virtually stayed injury and suspension free all season but the harsh truth of modern day football is that none of them will hang around once they get offered deals that Burnley simply can't live with.
Quite possibly true but who knows. We might even play you again next season but there again it might be 35 years ! Well its 4 years and counting since you actually beat us.
[quote][p][bold]more bans than ray - brfc lxxv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FCBurnley[/bold] wrote: The worrying thing for you guys is `How long before you PLAY them again `? As for the substitution of Dunn. He is overweight and not fit enough to play at this level. Maybe bring him on as a super sub but thats it. I doubt that he will ever play against the Clarets again. I guess you could say he is Done.[/p][/quote]It won't be long before we play you again. Even if you go up you'll be straight back down. That's not banter or a dig it's just what will happen. There's no denying the job Dyche has done is superb, not to mention the 3 good players you have in Ings, Trippier and Vokes, who've somehow virtually stayed injury and suspension free all season but the harsh truth of modern day football is that none of them will hang around once they get offered deals that Burnley simply can't live with.[/p][/quote]Quite possibly true but who knows. We might even play you again next season but there again it might be 35 years ! Well its 4 years and counting since you actually beat us. FCBurnley
  • Score: 5

7:38pm Mon 10 Mar 14

BelTower says...

He would have done owt to save you......he's too fat to be in an offside position nowadays.
He would have done owt to save you......he's too fat to be in an offside position nowadays. BelTower
  • Score: 1

8:41pm Mon 10 Mar 14

OnePostThenTheOther says...

No surprise that this nadir of my experiences as a Rovers supporter has occured during Venkys miserable tenure.

Symptomatic of their tenure is that our best player is an injury prone veteran at the end of his career who can barely manage an hour's work fiven a 15 minute break.

Mid-table chumpionship mediocrity is the foreseeable future with Bowyer in charge.
No surprise that this nadir of my experiences as a Rovers supporter has occured during Venkys miserable tenure. Symptomatic of their tenure is that our best player is an injury prone veteran at the end of his career who can barely manage an hour's work fiven a 15 minute break. Mid-table chumpionship mediocrity is the foreseeable future with Bowyer in charge. OnePostThenTheOther
  • Score: 0

8:57pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Brears says...

I dont get the comments about bowyer rebuilding. The number of players he has signed perm and loan is criminal particularly has he has shipped shed loads of them back out again. If he has a plan it's escaping me.
I dont get the comments about bowyer rebuilding. The number of players he has signed perm and loan is criminal particularly has he has shipped shed loads of them back out again. If he has a plan it's escaping me. Brears
  • Score: 1

9:05pm Mon 10 Mar 14

spudpaul61 says...

to be fair thought the tubby dunn done ok for you lot along with your mega bucks striker!!! rest of em are about where you are now average. UTC
to be fair thought the tubby dunn done ok for you lot along with your mega bucks striker!!! rest of em are about where you are now average. UTC spudpaul61
  • Score: -1

10:59pm Mon 10 Mar 14

burnleyglentoran says...

B******** dragged the Superior Clarets down to their level yesterday.

But we still managed to put them in their place.

The cream, as everybody knows, always rises to the top.

BURNLEY FC - EAST LANCS TOP DOGS

BURNLEY FC - HELPING INFERIOR TEAMS SEASON COME TO AN EARLY END

BLACKBUUUUURRRRRN ROVUUUURRRS - ALREADY ON THE BEACH
B******** dragged the Superior Clarets down to their level yesterday. But we still managed to put them in their place. The cream, as everybody knows, always rises to the top. BURNLEY FC - EAST LANCS TOP DOGS BURNLEY FC - HELPING INFERIOR TEAMS SEASON COME TO AN EARLY END BLACKBUUUUURRRRRN ROVUUUURRRS - ALREADY ON THE BEACH burnleyglentoran
  • Score: 1

11:14pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Super_Clarets says...

more bans than ray - brfc lxxv wrote:
FCBurnley wrote:
The worrying thing for you guys is `How long before you PLAY them again `?

As for the substitution of Dunn. He is overweight and not fit enough to play at this level. Maybe bring him on as a super sub but thats it. I doubt that he will ever play against the Clarets again. I guess you could say he is Done.
It won't be long before we play you again. Even if you go up you'll be straight back down. That's not banter or a dig it's just what will happen. There's no denying the job Dyche has done is superb, not to mention the 3 good players you have in Ings, Trippier and Vokes, who've somehow virtually stayed injury and suspension free all season but the harsh truth of modern day football is that none of them will hang around once they get offered deals that Burnley simply can't live with.
Two things.

1. You assume that you will be able to maintain your position in the Championship next season. Burnley could go up and stay up, they could go up and come down, but either way you could be long gone, heading the same way as Portsmouth. To be honest that's where I see you heading once the financial issues take over next season.

2. We have more than 3 good players. We have also got possibly the leagues best midfield partnership in Dean Marney and a certain David Jones, who you lot would give anything to have back in your team. We have one of the best defensive records in the league and that's in part down to centre back Jason Shackell. And we also have another good young player Scott Arfield who for me was immense in the games against Forest and Derby. We have a valuable squad already, and promotion to the Premier League and an estimated £120million might just help us to keep hold of one or two of them. Who knows.
[quote][p][bold]more bans than ray - brfc lxxv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FCBurnley[/bold] wrote: The worrying thing for you guys is `How long before you PLAY them again `? As for the substitution of Dunn. He is overweight and not fit enough to play at this level. Maybe bring him on as a super sub but thats it. I doubt that he will ever play against the Clarets again. I guess you could say he is Done.[/p][/quote]It won't be long before we play you again. Even if you go up you'll be straight back down. That's not banter or a dig it's just what will happen. There's no denying the job Dyche has done is superb, not to mention the 3 good players you have in Ings, Trippier and Vokes, who've somehow virtually stayed injury and suspension free all season but the harsh truth of modern day football is that none of them will hang around once they get offered deals that Burnley simply can't live with.[/p][/quote]Two things. 1. You assume that you will be able to maintain your position in the Championship next season. Burnley could go up and stay up, they could go up and come down, but either way you could be long gone, heading the same way as Portsmouth. To be honest that's where I see you heading once the financial issues take over next season. 2. We have more than 3 good players. We have also got possibly the leagues best midfield partnership in Dean Marney and a certain David Jones, who you lot would give anything to have back in your team. We have one of the best defensive records in the league and that's in part down to centre back Jason Shackell. And we also have another good young player Scott Arfield who for me was immense in the games against Forest and Derby. We have a valuable squad already, and promotion to the Premier League and an estimated £120million might just help us to keep hold of one or two of them. Who knows. Super_Clarets
  • Score: 4

11:23pm Mon 10 Mar 14

taurus1530 says...

What a load of trash, Burnley showed me nothing, they didn't look like any thing but bully boys. How the hell they won that game I will never know. They looked useless to me sat in the stands. lots of moans to an inadequate ref how we had 3 bookings to their one I will never know. But such is the life of a Rovers Supporter we are hated by one and all even the Refs give us nought. One day we will return to what we are a great club and put others to shame. Arte et Labore. I felt our boys played with spirit and a good tempo, just need to stop playing with the ball and get rid safely sooner. Keep it going lads and all will be well
What a load of trash, Burnley showed me nothing, they didn't look like any thing but bully boys. How the hell they won that game I will never know. They looked useless to me sat in the stands. lots of moans to an inadequate ref how we had 3 bookings to their one I will never know. But such is the life of a Rovers Supporter we are hated by one and all even the Refs give us nought. One day we will return to what we are a great club and put others to shame. Arte et Labore. I felt our boys played with spirit and a good tempo, just need to stop playing with the ball and get rid safely sooner. Keep it going lads and all will be well taurus1530
  • Score: -7

11:53pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Super_Clarets says...

taurus1530 wrote:
What a load of trash, Burnley showed me nothing, they didn't look like any thing but bully boys. How the hell they won that game I will never know. They looked useless to me sat in the stands. lots of moans to an inadequate ref how we had 3 bookings to their one I will never know. But such is the life of a Rovers Supporter we are hated by one and all even the Refs give us nought. One day we will return to what we are a great club and put others to shame. Arte et Labore. I felt our boys played with spirit and a good tempo, just need to stop playing with the ball and get rid safely sooner. Keep it going lads and all will be well
To be honest Burnley were as poor as I've seen them in the first half. We didn't improve much in the second, I felt that we didn't really get out of second gear throughout the game and yet still we beat you. On another day, if we had put in the level of performance that we did against Forest and Derby we'd have spanked you off the park. But you can't win them all..... hang on a minute, we DID win them all! 9 points out of a possible 9.

I don't think you will return to what you were for many years, I'm quite sure that Venky's will see you go down again before they finally depart but by then it could be too late.
[quote][p][bold]taurus1530[/bold] wrote: What a load of trash, Burnley showed me nothing, they didn't look like any thing but bully boys. How the hell they won that game I will never know. They looked useless to me sat in the stands. lots of moans to an inadequate ref how we had 3 bookings to their one I will never know. But such is the life of a Rovers Supporter we are hated by one and all even the Refs give us nought. One day we will return to what we are a great club and put others to shame. Arte et Labore. I felt our boys played with spirit and a good tempo, just need to stop playing with the ball and get rid safely sooner. Keep it going lads and all will be well[/p][/quote]To be honest Burnley were as poor as I've seen them in the first half. We didn't improve much in the second, I felt that we didn't really get out of second gear throughout the game and yet still we beat you. On another day, if we had put in the level of performance that we did against Forest and Derby we'd have spanked you off the park. But you can't win them all..... hang on a minute, we DID win them all! 9 points out of a possible 9. I don't think you will return to what you were for many years, I'm quite sure that Venky's will see you go down again before they finally depart but by then it could be too late. Super_Clarets
  • Score: 1

12:02am Tue 11 Mar 14

bluerob says...

taurus1530 wrote:
What a load of trash, Burnley showed me nothing, they didn't look like any thing but bully boys. How the hell they won that game I will never know. They looked useless to me sat in the stands. lots of moans to an inadequate ref how we had 3 bookings to their one I will never know. But such is the life of a Rovers Supporter we are hated by one and all even the Refs give us nought. One day we will return to what we are a great club and put others to shame. Arte et Labore. I felt our boys played with spirit and a good tempo, just need to stop playing with the ball and get rid safely sooner. Keep it going lads and all will be well
Got to say I totally agree with you, thats the way I saw it from my seat.

Especially the ref, he gave it their way the whole game.

But thats what happens when the luck is running your way, but we have had our fair in the recent derbies so it was their turn this time.

Credit where it is due Dyche has done a great job, their players are no better than ours but look at the gulf in results.
[quote][p][bold]taurus1530[/bold] wrote: What a load of trash, Burnley showed me nothing, they didn't look like any thing but bully boys. How the hell they won that game I will never know. They looked useless to me sat in the stands. lots of moans to an inadequate ref how we had 3 bookings to their one I will never know. But such is the life of a Rovers Supporter we are hated by one and all even the Refs give us nought. One day we will return to what we are a great club and put others to shame. Arte et Labore. I felt our boys played with spirit and a good tempo, just need to stop playing with the ball and get rid safely sooner. Keep it going lads and all will be well[/p][/quote]Got to say I totally agree with you, thats the way I saw it from my seat. Especially the ref, he gave it their way the whole game. But thats what happens when the luck is running your way, but we have had our fair in the recent derbies so it was their turn this time. Credit where it is due Dyche has done a great job, their players are no better than ours but look at the gulf in results. bluerob
  • Score: 1

12:07am Tue 11 Mar 14

burnleyglentoran says...

Are the local pound shops in Blackbuuuurrrrn doing a promo, this week, on sour grapes!?
Are the local pound shops in Blackbuuuurrrrn doing a promo, this week, on sour grapes!? burnleyglentoran
  • Score: -1

1:37am Tue 11 Mar 14

FCBurnley says...

taurus1530 wrote:
What a load of trash, Burnley showed me nothing, they didn't look like any thing but bully boys. How the hell they won that game I will never know. They looked useless to me sat in the stands. lots of moans to an inadequate ref how we had 3 bookings to their one I will never know. But such is the life of a Rovers Supporter we are hated by one and all even the Refs give us nought. One day we will return to what we are a great club and put others to shame. Arte et Labore. I felt our boys played with spirit and a good tempo, just need to stop playing with the ball and get rid safely sooner. Keep it going lads and all will be well
That is seriously funny. At last a bit of humour from a Rover.......oh wait........you were being serious........noooo
ooooooo !!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]taurus1530[/bold] wrote: What a load of trash, Burnley showed me nothing, they didn't look like any thing but bully boys. How the hell they won that game I will never know. They looked useless to me sat in the stands. lots of moans to an inadequate ref how we had 3 bookings to their one I will never know. But such is the life of a Rovers Supporter we are hated by one and all even the Refs give us nought. One day we will return to what we are a great club and put others to shame. Arte et Labore. I felt our boys played with spirit and a good tempo, just need to stop playing with the ball and get rid safely sooner. Keep it going lads and all will be well[/p][/quote]That is seriously funny. At last a bit of humour from a Rover.......oh wait........you were being serious........noooo ooooooo !!!!!! FCBurnley
  • Score: 1

1:42am Tue 11 Mar 14

A Rover 45 years and over says...

owd nick wrote:
Dunny looked OK to me when he went off, I suspect he was also willing to run through brick walls one more time just as he did last season. As I said on another thread, replacing him with a guy no-one knows, a Millwall reserve if you must, was nothing short of criminal, the guys who have bust a gut for us all season must be wondering what the hell was going on, even Williamson would have been a better option. While I will continue to support GB until December next year he cannot continue to be making the same mistakes game after game, his inexperience and tactical naivety has cost us at least 15 points this season, probably more. I accept he is rebuilding, I accept he is clearing the decks for FFP and all that jazz, but at the end of the day there can't be any excuses for not learning from mistakes in sport at any level..
Agree with what you say Dunn at that point was conrolling the game in our favour to bring him off at that point was rediculous unless he was injured, but it didn't look like it. GB has been one dmensional all season. Rhodes up front on his own hoping he will nick a goal and then hold on to it and has proved this approach does not work, In fairness we did continue to have a go at Burnley on Sunday after we scored GB just happened to take our most influential player off and then lost the plot with his substitutions. Robbo didn't help our cause either as he isn't the best in crowded situations. Not happy with Varney replacing Gestede as Gestede gives us a lot of options up front on the very few occasions GB decides to play him as a target man We should not be dropping established players just to satisfy his recent loan signings, these should be for cover only in my book as it will be unfair to players that he has already brought in and done a decent job for him. I likewise will give him till December next year, not sure about my season ticket though and will see how he shapes for the rest of the season first.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: Dunny looked OK to me when he went off, I suspect he was also willing to run through brick walls one more time just as he did last season. As I said on another thread, replacing him with a guy no-one knows, a Millwall reserve if you must, was nothing short of criminal, the guys who have bust a gut for us all season must be wondering what the hell was going on, even Williamson would have been a better option. While I will continue to support GB until December next year he cannot continue to be making the same mistakes game after game, his inexperience and tactical naivety has cost us at least 15 points this season, probably more. I accept he is rebuilding, I accept he is clearing the decks for FFP and all that jazz, but at the end of the day there can't be any excuses for not learning from mistakes in sport at any level..[/p][/quote]Agree with what you say Dunn at that point was conrolling the game in our favour to bring him off at that point was rediculous unless he was injured, but it didn't look like it. GB has been one dmensional all season. Rhodes up front on his own hoping he will nick a goal and then hold on to it and has proved this approach does not work, In fairness we did continue to have a go at Burnley on Sunday after we scored GB just happened to take our most influential player off and then lost the plot with his substitutions. Robbo didn't help our cause either as he isn't the best in crowded situations. Not happy with Varney replacing Gestede as Gestede gives us a lot of options up front on the very few occasions GB decides to play him as a target man We should not be dropping established players just to satisfy his recent loan signings, these should be for cover only in my book as it will be unfair to players that he has already brought in and done a decent job for him. I likewise will give him till December next year, not sure about my season ticket though and will see how he shapes for the rest of the season first. A Rover 45 years and over
  • Score: 0

7:39am Tue 11 Mar 14

warren2007 says...

That guy from mill wall looks absolutely awful
That guy from mill wall looks absolutely awful warren2007
  • Score: 0

7:56am Tue 11 Mar 14

bburnrover says...

I agree about GB nice guy, great job in getting us to this level but if the Venkeys want to take us to the next level it will need a better manager at the helm. The only problem is that Wigan,Cardiff,Derby ,Forest seem to have taken the managers with nous, who is left for us if they ever decide to change managers which I cannot see happening as I am not sure they take much interest any more.
I agree about GB nice guy, great job in getting us to this level but if the Venkeys want to take us to the next level it will need a better manager at the helm. The only problem is that Wigan,Cardiff,Derby ,Forest seem to have taken the managers with nous, who is left for us if they ever decide to change managers which I cannot see happening as I am not sure they take much interest any more. bburnrover
  • Score: 2

8:22am Tue 11 Mar 14

Super_Clarets says...

BOWYER OUT!
BOWYER OUT! Super_Clarets
  • Score: 2

8:43am Tue 11 Mar 14

kitchener2 says...

I'm amazed it's taken this long for the penny to drop regarding bowyer. Rovers fans now seem reluctant to criticise him or his lack of tactics in case they are accused of being bullies and hounding out another manager. He has constantly been negative and his nous re: substitutions is mind boggling. I'd suggest that he has lost us more points this season than the team, the opposition and all the referees combined. It may sound harsh, but it seems our support has been neutered by the press and the Venky organisation.......n
ice if you're happy with a mid to bottom half championship team, but after all that was achieved over the last twenty five years I'd prefer to call it criminal.
I'm amazed it's taken this long for the penny to drop regarding bowyer. Rovers fans now seem reluctant to criticise him or his lack of tactics in case they are accused of being bullies and hounding out another manager. He has constantly been negative and his nous re: substitutions is mind boggling. I'd suggest that he has lost us more points this season than the team, the opposition and all the referees combined. It may sound harsh, but it seems our support has been neutered by the press and the Venky organisation.......n ice if you're happy with a mid to bottom half championship team, but after all that was achieved over the last twenty five years I'd prefer to call it criminal. kitchener2
  • Score: 2

9:08am Tue 11 Mar 14

OnePostThenTheOther says...

Gary Bowyer
Nice bloke
Great coach
Mediocre tactician with too many defensive line-ups and poor substirutions.
Taken the club as far as he can as a "manager"
Too soft to drive the club by force of will
No record of success with which to inspire others to succeed.

"Thanks" for "steadying the ship" to a point at which we are beaten on our iwn patch by the Dingles. Personally I expect more. Don Mackay was a better manager - this is the level we find ourselves at.
Gary Bowyer Nice bloke Great coach Mediocre tactician with too many defensive line-ups and poor substirutions. Taken the club as far as he can as a "manager" Too soft to drive the club by force of will No record of success with which to inspire others to succeed. "Thanks" for "steadying the ship" to a point at which we are beaten on our iwn patch by the Dingles. Personally I expect more. Don Mackay was a better manager - this is the level we find ourselves at. OnePostThenTheOther
  • Score: 4

9:23am Tue 11 Mar 14

owd nick says...

burnleyglentoran wrote:
B******** dragged the Superior Clarets down to their level yesterday.

But we still managed to put them in their place.

The cream, as everybody knows, always rises to the top.

BURNLEY FC - EAST LANCS TOP DOGS

BURNLEY FC - HELPING INFERIOR TEAMS SEASON COME TO AN EARLY END

BLACKBUUUUURRRRRN ROVUUUURRRS - ALREADY ON THE BEACH
I wondered when the site moron would turn up.
[quote][p][bold]burnleyglentoran[/bold] wrote: B******** dragged the Superior Clarets down to their level yesterday. But we still managed to put them in their place. The cream, as everybody knows, always rises to the top. BURNLEY FC - EAST LANCS TOP DOGS BURNLEY FC - HELPING INFERIOR TEAMS SEASON COME TO AN EARLY END BLACKBUUUUURRRRRN ROVUUUURRRS - ALREADY ON THE BEACH[/p][/quote]I wondered when the site moron would turn up. owd nick
  • Score: 1

9:36am Tue 11 Mar 14

owd nick says...

kitchener2 wrote:
I'm amazed it's taken this long for the penny to drop regarding bowyer. Rovers fans now seem reluctant to criticise him or his lack of tactics in case they are accused of being bullies and hounding out another manager. He has constantly been negative and his nous re: substitutions is mind boggling. I'd suggest that he has lost us more points this season than the team, the opposition and all the referees combined. It may sound harsh, but it seems our support has been neutered by the press and the Venky organisation.......n

ice if you're happy with a mid to bottom half championship team, but after all that was achieved over the last twenty five years I'd prefer to call it criminal.
I think you will find that most of the reasonable posters have been saying the same all season.

The one thing we don't need is to get back into the revolving door of five managers a season, each wanting to bring his own players in, different styles of play, etc; etc.

It's difficult, GB has to learn fast and I have to say that comparing him to Dyche on Sunday, I did try to keep my eye on both of them when I could, well, it was like comparing a Rottweiler and an Hamster.

A Burnley fan on one of the other threads replied to to me that Dyche really isn't all that experienced, I was going to argue that he has been through the mill and learned from the experience but I lost my connection.

It's their demeanor on the side, Dyche directs traffic, organises, advises, GB in all honesty waved his arms around a lot and at times looked lost.

That's just my opinion of course, I don't see what is going on behind the scenes anymore than anyone else.
[quote][p][bold]kitchener2[/bold] wrote: I'm amazed it's taken this long for the penny to drop regarding bowyer. Rovers fans now seem reluctant to criticise him or his lack of tactics in case they are accused of being bullies and hounding out another manager. He has constantly been negative and his nous re: substitutions is mind boggling. I'd suggest that he has lost us more points this season than the team, the opposition and all the referees combined. It may sound harsh, but it seems our support has been neutered by the press and the Venky organisation.......n ice if you're happy with a mid to bottom half championship team, but after all that was achieved over the last twenty five years I'd prefer to call it criminal.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that most of the reasonable posters have been saying the same all season. The one thing we don't need is to get back into the revolving door of five managers a season, each wanting to bring his own players in, different styles of play, etc; etc. It's difficult, GB has to learn fast and I have to say that comparing him to Dyche on Sunday, I did try to keep my eye on both of them when I could, well, it was like comparing a Rottweiler and an Hamster. A Burnley fan on one of the other threads replied to to me that Dyche really isn't all that experienced, I was going to argue that he has been through the mill and learned from the experience but I lost my connection. It's their demeanor on the side, Dyche directs traffic, organises, advises, GB in all honesty waved his arms around a lot and at times looked lost. That's just my opinion of course, I don't see what is going on behind the scenes anymore than anyone else. owd nick
  • Score: 0

9:50am Tue 11 Mar 14

Itsnotmeyoubellend says...

Bowyer just needs to be given more time, just be patient and I'm sure he'll get you back to your rightful level.

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Bowyer just needs to be given more time, just be patient and I'm sure he'll get you back to your rightful level. Division 1 UTC Itsnotmeyoubellend
  • Score: 1

11:22am Tue 11 Mar 14

bobby langton3 says...

Let's stick to facts; It was a terrific derby with all the ingredients. End to end stuff, big misses on both sides. A sunny day. The ref was brilliant- usually such derby's are stop-start and confrontational. It was exciting stuff. Everyone gave their all. Unfortunately, it wasn't the usual draw. I'm a long standing rovers fan. Fair dos, this time we lost; a big dissappointment. but to be fair I think Burnley were always a threat and quicker to the ball; not allowing any time to casually weigh up situations. I would rather it had been a draw but to be honest they desrved it. A young and hungry team that play well together. They deserve to be up at the top; Well done! We've just to keep battling on.
Let's stick to facts; It was a terrific derby with all the ingredients. End to end stuff, big misses on both sides. A sunny day. The ref was brilliant- usually such derby's are stop-start and confrontational. It was exciting stuff. Everyone gave their all. Unfortunately, it wasn't the usual draw. I'm a long standing rovers fan. Fair dos, this time we lost; a big dissappointment. but to be fair I think Burnley were always a threat and quicker to the ball; not allowing any time to casually weigh up situations. I would rather it had been a draw but to be honest they desrved it. A young and hungry team that play well together. They deserve to be up at the top; Well done! We've just to keep battling on. bobby langton3
  • Score: 0

10:37pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Angry From Accrington says...

At 34 years old, Dunn was capable of lasting another 20 minutes. GB made the wrong call but all managers make judgements and this just happened to be a wrong one. Personally, despite his goal, I would have taken Rhodes off for Gestede. Like I say, it's all a matter of judgement. Anyway, this was the end of a sequence, not the end of an era, not the end of the club and certainly not the end of the world. The true supporters will be there tomorrow night, doing what supporters do. The ex supporters will be waiting in the wings to whinge and gloat. That's what ex supporters do.
At 34 years old, Dunn was capable of lasting another 20 minutes. GB made the wrong call but all managers make judgements and this just happened to be a wrong one. Personally, despite his goal, I would have taken Rhodes off for Gestede. Like I say, it's all a matter of judgement. Anyway, this was the end of a sequence, not the end of an era, not the end of the club and certainly not the end of the world. The true supporters will be there tomorrow night, doing what supporters do. The ex supporters will be waiting in the wings to whinge and gloat. That's what ex supporters do. Angry From Accrington
  • Score: 0

8:23am Wed 12 Mar 14

Riverside 7 says...

owd nick wrote:
Dunny looked OK to me when he went off, I suspect he was also willing to run through brick walls one more time just as he did last season.

As I said on another thread, replacing him with a guy no-one knows, a Millwall reserve if you must, was nothing short of criminal, the guys who have bust a gut for us all season must be wondering what the hell was going on, even Williamson would have been a better option.

While I will continue to support GB until December next year he cannot continue to be making the same mistakes game after game, his inexperience and tactical naivety has cost us at least 15 points this season, probably more.

I accept he is rebuilding, I accept he is clearing the decks for FFP and all that jazz, but at the end of the day there can't be any excuses for not learning from mistakes in sport at any level..
I agree Nick, Dunny looked OK to me and I am sure that he could have lasted another 20 minutes against the Dingles.

I also agree that it was strange replacing Dunn with someone who had been at the club just 24 hours.

However nobody has yet menioned GB's introduction of Chris Taylor in the 92nd minute.
Wat was that all about?

With regard to sticking with GB until December - lets see how we perform the rest of this season first.
In a straw poll in the pub after the game, 7 out of 8 supporters didn't think GB should be the manager next season.

For me he is far too negative, and isn't a winner.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: Dunny looked OK to me when he went off, I suspect he was also willing to run through brick walls one more time just as he did last season. As I said on another thread, replacing him with a guy no-one knows, a Millwall reserve if you must, was nothing short of criminal, the guys who have bust a gut for us all season must be wondering what the hell was going on, even Williamson would have been a better option. While I will continue to support GB until December next year he cannot continue to be making the same mistakes game after game, his inexperience and tactical naivety has cost us at least 15 points this season, probably more. I accept he is rebuilding, I accept he is clearing the decks for FFP and all that jazz, but at the end of the day there can't be any excuses for not learning from mistakes in sport at any level..[/p][/quote]I agree Nick, Dunny looked OK to me and I am sure that he could have lasted another 20 minutes against the Dingles. I also agree that it was strange replacing Dunn with someone who had been at the club just 24 hours. However nobody has yet menioned GB's introduction of Chris Taylor in the 92nd minute. Wat was that all about? With regard to sticking with GB until December - lets see how we perform the rest of this season first. In a straw poll in the pub after the game, 7 out of 8 supporters didn't think GB should be the manager next season. For me he is far too negative, and isn't a winner. Riverside 7
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