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Dan Clough column: Building from back will benefit Rovers

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SCOTT Dann has long been forgotten as Rovers’ mean defence kept another clean sheet without our former captain at one of the league’s toughest grounds.

Middlesbrough have lost just two at home all season so for Rovers to come away with a point and an 11th clean sheet is more than commendable.

And, with results going our way in the league, it reduced the gap between us and the play-offs to just four points.

The sale of Scott Dann may have been questioned by some, but it was undoubtedly the correct decision from the Rovers management.

The reduction in the wage bill eases the financial pressure, while captain Grant Hanley and new defensive partner Matt Kilgallon have kept consecutive clean sheets.

It has to be said, though, that the return of Paul Robinson between the sticks has been a breath of fresh air.

On Saturday he made a string of fine saves to keep us in the game.

His presence in goal is almost tangible and, with the veteran behind them, defenders grow in confidence.

During the Premier League glory years, Rovers’ success was built around a solid defensive foundation, certainly during the period following our second promotion in 2001.

Mark Hughes brought in Ryan Nelsen and Chris Samba who provided the backbone of a successful side with a heart of steel.

We became known as bully boys and we thrived on it.

Since the Venky’s era began and Sam Allardyce was deposed, our defensive strength deteriorated and we became far more porous.

But Gary Bowyer has certainly addressed that and has successfully started to toughen us up.

Meanwhile, Rovers managing director Derek Shaw has backed the Football League’s push for standing areas to be reintroduced at football grounds.

I do enjoy standing up at football, and no doubt when we take on Burnley next month it will be 90 minutes of standing (and possibly some shouting).

I understand the concerns of campaigners, particularly those connected to Hillsborough, who are vehemently opposed to the return of standing at football.

But I think lessons have been learned from that day.

And surely if German giants like Bayer Leverkusen and Borussia Dortmund can manage with ‘rail seats’, which can be locked away to create a standing area, then clubs over here can cope.

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7:06pm Tue 11 Feb 14

fairy62 says...

That was a very inconsiderate remark by Derek Shaw that at the upcoming Burnley game "it will be 90 minutes of standing...etc. My husband is disabled but transfers to a seat in the Jack Walker stand. If people DO stand for long periods during the Burnley game (which is against current ground regulations), he would be unable to watch. Incidentally, we both support the introduction of standing areas in designated sections of the ground (which we would need to avoid), but for Mr Shaw to encourage flouting of the current rules without a thought for disabled supporters, says a lot about the man!!!
That was a very inconsiderate remark by Derek Shaw that at the upcoming Burnley game "it will be 90 minutes of standing...etc. My husband is disabled but transfers to a seat in the Jack Walker stand. If people DO stand for long periods during the Burnley game (which is against current ground regulations), he would be unable to watch. Incidentally, we both support the introduction of standing areas in designated sections of the ground (which we would need to avoid), but for Mr Shaw to encourage flouting of the current rules without a thought for disabled supporters, says a lot about the man!!! fairy62
  • Score: -16

7:12pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Hovis1945 says...

Ironic that when Liverpool used to come and take over the Darwen End they were always all stood up. I used to be passed over the heads of people standing in the Blackburn End to sit in front of the barrier wall as a lad, I much prefer sitting in the Riverside these days!
Ironic that when Liverpool used to come and take over the Darwen End they were always all stood up. I used to be passed over the heads of people standing in the Blackburn End to sit in front of the barrier wall as a lad, I much prefer sitting in the Riverside these days! Hovis1945
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8:18pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Wild Rover says...

fairy62 wrote:
That was a very inconsiderate remark by Derek Shaw that at the upcoming Burnley game "it will be 90 minutes of standing...etc. My husband is disabled but transfers to a seat in the Jack Walker stand. If people DO stand for long periods during the Burnley game (which is against current ground regulations), he would be unable to watch. Incidentally, we both support the introduction of standing areas in designated sections of the ground (which we would need to avoid), but for Mr Shaw to encourage flouting of the current rules without a thought for disabled supporters, says a lot about the man!!!
Sorry you need to read the article again, it was Dan Clough commenting re standing and he will be in the Blackburn End. They stand up a lot there.!
[quote][p][bold]fairy62[/bold] wrote: That was a very inconsiderate remark by Derek Shaw that at the upcoming Burnley game "it will be 90 minutes of standing...etc. My husband is disabled but transfers to a seat in the Jack Walker stand. If people DO stand for long periods during the Burnley game (which is against current ground regulations), he would be unable to watch. Incidentally, we both support the introduction of standing areas in designated sections of the ground (which we would need to avoid), but for Mr Shaw to encourage flouting of the current rules without a thought for disabled supporters, says a lot about the man!!![/p][/quote]Sorry you need to read the article again, it was Dan Clough commenting re standing and he will be in the Blackburn End. They stand up a lot there.! Wild Rover
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9:43pm Tue 11 Feb 14

unclejacklegend says...

fairy62 wrote:
That was a very inconsiderate remark by Derek Shaw that at the upcoming Burnley game "it will be 90 minutes of standing...etc. My husband is disabled but transfers to a seat in the Jack Walker stand. If people DO stand for long periods during the Burnley game (which is against current ground regulations), he would be unable to watch. Incidentally, we both support the introduction of standing areas in designated sections of the ground (which we would need to avoid), but for Mr Shaw to encourage flouting of the current rules without a thought for disabled supporters, says a lot about the man!!!
I'm sorry but fans always have and always will stand up in the Blackburn end, as they do in the home end of almost every football club in the country. It's something that you should really take into account when selecting the area of the ground for which you purchase a ticket. Similarly, when my youngsters are old enough to come to the match with me, I will probably move to another stand as the language in the Blackburn end can often be quite corse.
[quote][p][bold]fairy62[/bold] wrote: That was a very inconsiderate remark by Derek Shaw that at the upcoming Burnley game "it will be 90 minutes of standing...etc. My husband is disabled but transfers to a seat in the Jack Walker stand. If people DO stand for long periods during the Burnley game (which is against current ground regulations), he would be unable to watch. Incidentally, we both support the introduction of standing areas in designated sections of the ground (which we would need to avoid), but for Mr Shaw to encourage flouting of the current rules without a thought for disabled supporters, says a lot about the man!!![/p][/quote]I'm sorry but fans always have and always will stand up in the Blackburn end, as they do in the home end of almost every football club in the country. It's something that you should really take into account when selecting the area of the ground for which you purchase a ticket. Similarly, when my youngsters are old enough to come to the match with me, I will probably move to another stand as the language in the Blackburn end can often be quite corse. unclejacklegend
  • Score: 5

9:54pm Tue 11 Feb 14

fairy62 says...

Firstly, I think I misunderstood who had made the comments. I can see on reflection that it was Dan Clough and not Derek Shaw (although this was not immediately clear when reading the article as Dan quoted the thoughts of Derek then went back to his own opinions without a clear definition between the two. Also, we do not sit in the Blackburn End but in the Jack Walker stand (as I did say in my original post), so we DID take things like this into account when selecting our seats! And, like it also said, we have no objection to having designated standing areas and the logical place would be the Blackburn End. But can you not respect the fact that some people CANNOT stand and how therefore it is unfair for people to persistently stand in front of them?
Firstly, I think I misunderstood who had made the comments. I can see on reflection that it was Dan Clough and not Derek Shaw (although this was not immediately clear when reading the article as Dan quoted the thoughts of Derek then went back to his own opinions without a clear definition between the two. Also, we do not sit in the Blackburn End but in the Jack Walker stand (as I did say in my original post), so we DID take things like this into account when selecting our seats! And, like it also said, we have no objection to having designated standing areas and the logical place would be the Blackburn End. But can you not respect the fact that some people CANNOT stand and how therefore it is unfair for people to persistently stand in front of them? fairy62
  • Score: 0

10:25pm Tue 11 Feb 14

owd nick says...

In the mid 70's through the 80's and into the mid 90's I followed Rovers all over the country, it was always standing as far as I was concerned, you could meet up with mates or people you only knew by sight and the big advantage was that if you ended up next to a few muppets (every club has them trust me on that) you could move away.

But on the introduction of seating that changed and apart from the expense one of the main reasons I stopped going to away games was I didn't see the point in paying more for a seat then having to stand, purely because I couldn't see the game if I didn't.

It's stupid when you think of it,

I have no problem with people wanting to stand at games but why should their selfish attitudes ruin it for those who dont want to or even can't?
In the mid 70's through the 80's and into the mid 90's I followed Rovers all over the country, it was always standing as far as I was concerned, you could meet up with mates or people you only knew by sight and the big advantage was that if you ended up next to a few muppets (every club has them trust me on that) you could move away. But on the introduction of seating that changed and apart from the expense one of the main reasons I stopped going to away games was I didn't see the point in paying more for a seat then having to stand, purely because I couldn't see the game if I didn't. It's stupid when you think of it, I have no problem with people wanting to stand at games but why should their selfish attitudes ruin it for those who dont want to or even can't? owd nick
  • Score: 2

8:06am Wed 12 Feb 14

MattNewcastle says...

Interesting views

Great goalkeepers as Brian Clough was always quoted as saying earn / save so many points a season Shilton being his prime example. Middlesbrough for has coincided with Shay Given on loan however is costing a fortune.

Robinson has no doubt made a difference as Saturday proved for the Blackburn goal had a charmed life.

Of more concern is our current Right Back situation. Opposition coaches have noticed our fragility there.
Interesting views Great goalkeepers as Brian Clough was always quoted as saying earn / save so many points a season Shilton being his prime example. Middlesbrough for has coincided with Shay Given on loan however is costing a fortune. Robinson has no doubt made a difference as Saturday proved for the Blackburn goal had a charmed life. Of more concern is our current Right Back situation. Opposition coaches have noticed our fragility there. MattNewcastle
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8:43am Wed 12 Feb 14

unclejacklegend says...

fairy62 wrote:
Firstly, I think I misunderstood who had made the comments. I can see on reflection that it was Dan Clough and not Derek Shaw (although this was not immediately clear when reading the article as Dan quoted the thoughts of Derek then went back to his own opinions without a clear definition between the two. Also, we do not sit in the Blackburn End but in the Jack Walker stand (as I did say in my original post), so we DID take things like this into account when selecting our seats! And, like it also said, we have no objection to having designated standing areas and the logical place would be the Blackburn End. But can you not respect the fact that some people CANNOT stand and how therefore it is unfair for people to persistently stand in front of them?
Your post said that your husband 'transfers to a seat in the Jack walker stand'. Still Not really sure what that means. Either way I don't think you need worry about people standing in the Jack Walker or indeed the riverside, for prol
[quote][p][bold]fairy62[/bold] wrote: Firstly, I think I misunderstood who had made the comments. I can see on reflection that it was Dan Clough and not Derek Shaw (although this was not immediately clear when reading the article as Dan quoted the thoughts of Derek then went back to his own opinions without a clear definition between the two. Also, we do not sit in the Blackburn End but in the Jack Walker stand (as I did say in my original post), so we DID take things like this into account when selecting our seats! And, like it also said, we have no objection to having designated standing areas and the logical place would be the Blackburn End. But can you not respect the fact that some people CANNOT stand and how therefore it is unfair for people to persistently stand in front of them?[/p][/quote]Your post said that your husband 'transfers to a seat in the Jack walker stand'. Still Not really sure what that means. Either way I don't think you need worry about people standing in the Jack Walker or indeed the riverside, for prol unclejacklegend
  • Score: 0

8:44am Wed 12 Feb 14

bburnrover says...

Yes the first thing I thought of was that no matter who we play it irritates me to death when people in front get so exciting they have to stand up without a thought in their tiny minds that there may be someone behind them who cannot see a thing.
The fact is the fans who do this are usually a bit intoxicated so there is no remonstrating with them and if the Stewards take the same attitude as the CEO then no one will care about it so you just stop going to games thus the reduced attendencies. They think its all about the Venkey's wrecking the club but there are other reasons people stop going and that is one of them.
Yes the first thing I thought of was that no matter who we play it irritates me to death when people in front get so exciting they have to stand up without a thought in their tiny minds that there may be someone behind them who cannot see a thing. The fact is the fans who do this are usually a bit intoxicated so there is no remonstrating with them and if the Stewards take the same attitude as the CEO then no one will care about it so you just stop going to games thus the reduced attendencies. They think its all about the Venkey's wrecking the club but there are other reasons people stop going and that is one of them. bburnrover
  • Score: -3

8:46am Wed 12 Feb 14

unclejacklegend says...

fairy62 wrote:
Firstly, I think I misunderstood who had made the comments. I can see on reflection that it was Dan Clough and not Derek Shaw (although this was not immediately clear when reading the article as Dan quoted the thoughts of Derek then went back to his own opinions without a clear definition between the two. Also, we do not sit in the Blackburn End but in the Jack Walker stand (as I did say in my original post), so we DID take things like this into account when selecting our seats! And, like it also said, we have no objection to having designated standing areas and the logical place would be the Blackburn End. But can you not respect the fact that some people CANNOT stand and how therefore it is unfair for people to persistently stand in front of them?
Your post said that your husband 'transfers to a seat in the Jack walker stand'. Still Not really sure what that means. Either way I don't think you need worry about people standing in the Jack Walker or indeed the riverside, for prolonged periods.
[quote][p][bold]fairy62[/bold] wrote: Firstly, I think I misunderstood who had made the comments. I can see on reflection that it was Dan Clough and not Derek Shaw (although this was not immediately clear when reading the article as Dan quoted the thoughts of Derek then went back to his own opinions without a clear definition between the two. Also, we do not sit in the Blackburn End but in the Jack Walker stand (as I did say in my original post), so we DID take things like this into account when selecting our seats! And, like it also said, we have no objection to having designated standing areas and the logical place would be the Blackburn End. But can you not respect the fact that some people CANNOT stand and how therefore it is unfair for people to persistently stand in front of them?[/p][/quote]Your post said that your husband 'transfers to a seat in the Jack walker stand'. Still Not really sure what that means. Either way I don't think you need worry about people standing in the Jack Walker or indeed the riverside, for prolonged periods. unclejacklegend
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9:14am Wed 12 Feb 14

greenscreener says...

bburnrover wrote:
Yes the first thing I thought of was that no matter who we play it irritates me to death when people in front get so exciting they have to stand up without a thought in their tiny minds that there may be someone behind them who cannot see a thing.
The fact is the fans who do this are usually a bit intoxicated so there is no remonstrating with them and if the Stewards take the same attitude as the CEO then no one will care about it so you just stop going to games thus the reduced attendencies. They think its all about the Venkey's wrecking the club but there are other reasons people stop going and that is one of them.
Football crowds have always been this way, even worse on a surging terrace, so that's a pretty poor excuse for not going to football bburn, you are probably better off going to the cinema pal.

Respect to our disabled fans, I strongly believe there should be better facilities for them at Ewood, but if there ever came a time when football crowds were so polite and games so lacking in atmosphere that nobody ever left their seat occasionally the game really would be dead.
[quote][p][bold]bburnrover[/bold] wrote: Yes the first thing I thought of was that no matter who we play it irritates me to death when people in front get so exciting they have to stand up without a thought in their tiny minds that there may be someone behind them who cannot see a thing. The fact is the fans who do this are usually a bit intoxicated so there is no remonstrating with them and if the Stewards take the same attitude as the CEO then no one will care about it so you just stop going to games thus the reduced attendencies. They think its all about the Venkey's wrecking the club but there are other reasons people stop going and that is one of them.[/p][/quote]Football crowds have always been this way, even worse on a surging terrace, so that's a pretty poor excuse for not going to football bburn, you are probably better off going to the cinema pal. Respect to our disabled fans, I strongly believe there should be better facilities for them at Ewood, but if there ever came a time when football crowds were so polite and games so lacking in atmosphere that nobody ever left their seat occasionally the game really would be dead. greenscreener
  • Score: 3

9:25am Wed 12 Feb 14

owd nick says...

bburnrover wrote:
Yes the first thing I thought of was that no matter who we play it irritates me to death when people in front get so exciting they have to stand up without a thought in their tiny minds that there may be someone behind them who cannot see a thing.
The fact is the fans who do this are usually a bit intoxicated so there is no remonstrating with them and if the Stewards take the same attitude as the CEO then no one will care about it so you just stop going to games thus the reduced attendencies. They think its all about the Venkey's wrecking the club but there are other reasons people stop going and that is one of them.
I don't mind that bburnrover, I do it myself it's a normal reaction, and I am certainly not intoxicated, just enjoying the game.

That's why I go in the Jack Walker, fans stand up before the game and at half time but sit once the game is in play.

I firmly believe we should have standing areas for home and away fans at all grounds, then persistent standing in seated areas could be dealt with.
[quote][p][bold]bburnrover[/bold] wrote: Yes the first thing I thought of was that no matter who we play it irritates me to death when people in front get so exciting they have to stand up without a thought in their tiny minds that there may be someone behind them who cannot see a thing. The fact is the fans who do this are usually a bit intoxicated so there is no remonstrating with them and if the Stewards take the same attitude as the CEO then no one will care about it so you just stop going to games thus the reduced attendencies. They think its all about the Venkey's wrecking the club but there are other reasons people stop going and that is one of them.[/p][/quote]I don't mind that bburnrover, I do it myself it's a normal reaction, and I am certainly not intoxicated, just enjoying the game. That's why I go in the Jack Walker, fans stand up before the game and at half time but sit once the game is in play. I firmly believe we should have standing areas for home and away fans at all grounds, then persistent standing in seated areas could be dealt with. owd nick
  • Score: 1

11:11am Wed 12 Feb 14

fairy62 says...

unclejacklegend wrote:
fairy62 wrote:
Firstly, I think I misunderstood who had made the comments. I can see on reflection that it was Dan Clough and not Derek Shaw (although this was not immediately clear when reading the article as Dan quoted the thoughts of Derek then went back to his own opinions without a clear definition between the two. Also, we do not sit in the Blackburn End but in the Jack Walker stand (as I did say in my original post), so we DID take things like this into account when selecting our seats! And, like it also said, we have no objection to having designated standing areas and the logical place would be the Blackburn End. But can you not respect the fact that some people CANNOT stand and how therefore it is unfair for people to persistently stand in front of them?
Your post said that your husband 'transfers to a seat in the Jack walker stand'. Still Not really sure what that means. Either way I don't think you need worry about people standing in the Jack Walker or indeed the riverside, for prolonged periods.
Just to clarify, "Transfers to a seat in the Jack Walker stand" means that I assist him to move from his wheelchair and take a few steps using a stick and myself for support, to an end of aisle seat a few rows back. Hope this clarifies what was meant?
[quote][p][bold]unclejacklegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fairy62[/bold] wrote: Firstly, I think I misunderstood who had made the comments. I can see on reflection that it was Dan Clough and not Derek Shaw (although this was not immediately clear when reading the article as Dan quoted the thoughts of Derek then went back to his own opinions without a clear definition between the two. Also, we do not sit in the Blackburn End but in the Jack Walker stand (as I did say in my original post), so we DID take things like this into account when selecting our seats! And, like it also said, we have no objection to having designated standing areas and the logical place would be the Blackburn End. But can you not respect the fact that some people CANNOT stand and how therefore it is unfair for people to persistently stand in front of them?[/p][/quote]Your post said that your husband 'transfers to a seat in the Jack walker stand'. Still Not really sure what that means. Either way I don't think you need worry about people standing in the Jack Walker or indeed the riverside, for prolonged periods.[/p][/quote]Just to clarify, "Transfers to a seat in the Jack Walker stand" means that I assist him to move from his wheelchair and take a few steps using a stick and myself for support, to an end of aisle seat a few rows back. Hope this clarifies what was meant? fairy62
  • Score: 1

9:12pm Wed 12 Feb 14

unclejacklegend says...

fairy62 wrote:
unclejacklegend wrote:
fairy62 wrote:
Firstly, I think I misunderstood who had made the comments. I can see on reflection that it was Dan Clough and not Derek Shaw (although this was not immediately clear when reading the article as Dan quoted the thoughts of Derek then went back to his own opinions without a clear definition between the two. Also, we do not sit in the Blackburn End but in the Jack Walker stand (as I did say in my original post), so we DID take things like this into account when selecting our seats! And, like it also said, we have no objection to having designated standing areas and the logical place would be the Blackburn End. But can you not respect the fact that some people CANNOT stand and how therefore it is unfair for people to persistently stand in front of them?
Your post said that your husband 'transfers to a seat in the Jack walker stand'. Still Not really sure what that means. Either way I don't think you need worry about people standing in the Jack Walker or indeed the riverside, for prolonged periods.
Just to clarify, "Transfers to a seat in the Jack Walker stand" means that I assist him to move from his wheelchair and take a few steps using a stick and myself for support, to an end of aisle seat a few rows back. Hope this clarifies what was meant?
Understood. Hopefully nobody would be so inconsiderate as to stand in your way in the Jack Walker.
[quote][p][bold]fairy62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]unclejacklegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fairy62[/bold] wrote: Firstly, I think I misunderstood who had made the comments. I can see on reflection that it was Dan Clough and not Derek Shaw (although this was not immediately clear when reading the article as Dan quoted the thoughts of Derek then went back to his own opinions without a clear definition between the two. Also, we do not sit in the Blackburn End but in the Jack Walker stand (as I did say in my original post), so we DID take things like this into account when selecting our seats! And, like it also said, we have no objection to having designated standing areas and the logical place would be the Blackburn End. But can you not respect the fact that some people CANNOT stand and how therefore it is unfair for people to persistently stand in front of them?[/p][/quote]Your post said that your husband 'transfers to a seat in the Jack walker stand'. Still Not really sure what that means. Either way I don't think you need worry about people standing in the Jack Walker or indeed the riverside, for prolonged periods.[/p][/quote]Just to clarify, "Transfers to a seat in the Jack Walker stand" means that I assist him to move from his wheelchair and take a few steps using a stick and myself for support, to an end of aisle seat a few rows back. Hope this clarifies what was meant?[/p][/quote]Understood. Hopefully nobody would be so inconsiderate as to stand in your way in the Jack Walker. unclejacklegend
  • Score: 1

12:58am Thu 13 Feb 14

fairy62 says...

unclejacklegend wrote:
fairy62 wrote:
unclejacklegend wrote:
fairy62 wrote:
Firstly, I think I misunderstood who had made the comments. I can see on reflection that it was Dan Clough and not Derek Shaw (although this was not immediately clear when reading the article as Dan quoted the thoughts of Derek then went back to his own opinions without a clear definition between the two. Also, we do not sit in the Blackburn End but in the Jack Walker stand (as I did say in my original post), so we DID take things like this into account when selecting our seats! And, like it also said, we have no objection to having designated standing areas and the logical place would be the Blackburn End. But can you not respect the fact that some people CANNOT stand and how therefore it is unfair for people to persistently stand in front of them?
Your post said that your husband 'transfers to a seat in the Jack walker stand'. Still Not really sure what that means. Either way I don't think you need worry about people standing in the Jack Walker or indeed the riverside, for prolonged periods.
Just to clarify, "Transfers to a seat in the Jack Walker stand" means that I assist him to move from his wheelchair and take a few steps using a stick and myself for support, to an end of aisle seat a few rows back. Hope this clarifies what was meant?
Understood. Hopefully nobody would be so inconsiderate as to stand in your way in the Jack Walker.
.
Thank you for that , appreciate it . .
[quote][p][bold]unclejacklegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fairy62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]unclejacklegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fairy62[/bold] wrote: Firstly, I think I misunderstood who had made the comments. I can see on reflection that it was Dan Clough and not Derek Shaw (although this was not immediately clear when reading the article as Dan quoted the thoughts of Derek then went back to his own opinions without a clear definition between the two. Also, we do not sit in the Blackburn End but in the Jack Walker stand (as I did say in my original post), so we DID take things like this into account when selecting our seats! And, like it also said, we have no objection to having designated standing areas and the logical place would be the Blackburn End. But can you not respect the fact that some people CANNOT stand and how therefore it is unfair for people to persistently stand in front of them?[/p][/quote]Your post said that your husband 'transfers to a seat in the Jack walker stand'. Still Not really sure what that means. Either way I don't think you need worry about people standing in the Jack Walker or indeed the riverside, for prolonged periods.[/p][/quote]Just to clarify, "Transfers to a seat in the Jack Walker stand" means that I assist him to move from his wheelchair and take a few steps using a stick and myself for support, to an end of aisle seat a few rows back. Hope this clarifies what was meant?[/p][/quote]Understood. Hopefully nobody would be so inconsiderate as to stand in your way in the Jack Walker.[/p][/quote]. Thank you for that , appreciate it . . fairy62
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