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Appleton praises defeated Rovers

Lancashire Telegraph: Michael Appleton Michael Appleton

MICHAEL Appleton has praised his Blackburn Rovers side this evening despite their last gasp 1-0 defeat at Bolton.

The Rovers boss saw former Burnley winger Chris Eagles silence the away fans' taunts with an injury-time winner, but insisted he was content with his sides' performance.

He said; "It is a sickener. To lose the goal in the manner we did and the way we did was disappointing.

"But, and it is a big but, I was absolutely delighted with the players tonight. I thought the effort, and desire was fantastic. It is pretty much everything I am about as a person, never mind as a manager.

"When I go into something I go into whole heartedly and my players did exactly the same tonight.

"I would be suprised if any Blackburn fans who turned up tonight disagree with me. Going into the latter stages I really thought we could nick it and created three of four good opportunities.

"But it wasn't to be. They have had a run of wins and are having a purple patch."

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11:55pm Tue 5 Mar 13

blazerafe says...

I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done. blazerafe
  • Score: 1

11:55pm Tue 5 Mar 13

JPB says...

the players didn`t fluke it when winning and keeping clean sheets in appy`s earlier games and i believe he can get us back doing that consistantly given a bit of time. the game against bolton sounded like a step back in the right direction, even if luck wasn`t on our side in the end.
the players didn`t fluke it when winning and keeping clean sheets in appy`s earlier games and i believe he can get us back doing that consistantly given a bit of time. the game against bolton sounded like a step back in the right direction, even if luck wasn`t on our side in the end. JPB
  • Score: 9

11:55pm Tue 5 Mar 13

peely says...

"I really thought we could nick it " just about sums this manager up ! He,s a loser, a bore draw specialist, and he,s bald !
Taxi for Appy !
"I really thought we could nick it " just about sums this manager up ! He,s a loser, a bore draw specialist, and he,s bald ! Taxi for Appy ! peely
  • Score: -12

11:57pm Tue 5 Mar 13

tugaycomeback says...

Come again? Boss praises goal-less side only hours after demanding a proper response to another embarrassing defeat?
Come again? Boss praises goal-less side only hours after demanding a proper response to another embarrassing defeat? tugaycomeback
  • Score: -6

11:57pm Tue 5 Mar 13

JPB says...

blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.
distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.
[quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.[/p][/quote]distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team. JPB
  • Score: 9

12:01am Wed 6 Mar 13

goldfinger59 says...

We were unlucky tonight and hit the bar twice and were a whisker away with two shots, Bolton never looked like scoring, all their shots were either way off target or weak shots at our goalie, they just got the bit of luck that we were missing.
We were unlucky tonight and hit the bar twice and were a whisker away with two shots, Bolton never looked like scoring, all their shots were either way off target or weak shots at our goalie, they just got the bit of luck that we were missing. goldfinger59
  • Score: 19

12:03am Wed 6 Mar 13

BlueSkies says...

I was happy with the performance tonight. They played with passion and commitment.

Ok, we lost but get over it. If we can mirror that attitude again and again, then I'll be happy.

No Murphy, WOW. What a difference tonight.

I hope I don't offend anyone with this statement, but Murphy's performances have been like a cancer to our club, in that he sucks the life out of the team (I apologise again for the use of the word 'cancer') but the future is brighter without him.
I was happy with the performance tonight. They played with passion and commitment. Ok, we lost but get over it. If we can mirror that attitude again and again, then I'll be happy. No Murphy, WOW. What a difference tonight. I hope I don't offend anyone with this statement, but Murphy's performances have been like a cancer to our club, in that he sucks the life out of the team (I apologise again for the use of the word 'cancer') but the future is brighter without him. BlueSkies
  • Score: 26

12:03am Wed 6 Mar 13

JPB says...

goldfinger59 wrote:
We were unlucky tonight and hit the bar twice and were a whisker away with two shots, Bolton never looked like scoring, all their shots were either way off target or weak shots at our goalie, they just got the bit of luck that we were missing.
at least someone else isn`t a negative sensationlist, thank you.
[quote][p][bold]goldfinger59[/bold] wrote: We were unlucky tonight and hit the bar twice and were a whisker away with two shots, Bolton never looked like scoring, all their shots were either way off target or weak shots at our goalie, they just got the bit of luck that we were missing.[/p][/quote]at least someone else isn`t a negative sensationlist, thank you. JPB
  • Score: 1

12:03am Wed 6 Mar 13

blazerafe says...

JPB wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.
distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.
Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.
[quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.[/p][/quote]distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.[/p][/quote]Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much. blazerafe
  • Score: 1

12:09am Wed 6 Mar 13

BlueSkies says...

blazerafe wrote:
JPB wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.
distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.
Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.
Do you actually go to a game or simply look at statistics?
[quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.[/p][/quote]distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.[/p][/quote]Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.[/p][/quote]Do you actually go to a game or simply look at statistics? BlueSkies
  • Score: 6

12:10am Wed 6 Mar 13

JPB says...

blazerafe wrote:
JPB wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.
distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.
Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.
millwall inform? about 3 months back maybe. as for wolves, i`d rather be in rovers position than theirs..
[quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.[/p][/quote]distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.[/p][/quote]Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.[/p][/quote]millwall inform? about 3 months back maybe. as for wolves, i`d rather be in rovers position than theirs.. JPB
  • Score: 5

12:10am Wed 6 Mar 13

blazerafe says...

BlueSkies wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
JPB wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.
distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.
Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.
Do you actually go to a game or simply look at statistics?
I do both, whats the problem? statistics dont lie.
[quote][p][bold]BlueSkies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.[/p][/quote]distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.[/p][/quote]Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.[/p][/quote]Do you actually go to a game or simply look at statistics?[/p][/quote]I do both, whats the problem? statistics dont lie. blazerafe
  • Score: -4

12:12am Wed 6 Mar 13

BlueSkies says...

blazerafe wrote:
BlueSkies wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
JPB wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.
distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.
Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.
Do you actually go to a game or simply look at statistics?
I do both, whats the problem? statistics dont lie.
You were there tonight then?
[quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueSkies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.[/p][/quote]distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.[/p][/quote]Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.[/p][/quote]Do you actually go to a game or simply look at statistics?[/p][/quote]I do both, whats the problem? statistics dont lie.[/p][/quote]You were there tonight then? BlueSkies
  • Score: 1

12:14am Wed 6 Mar 13

blazerafe says...

JPB wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
JPB wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.
distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.
Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.
millwall inform? about 3 months back maybe. as for wolves, i`d rather be in rovers position than theirs..
There position is our position there is 6 points between us and them with some insanely tough games to go. Alright maybe inform was an understatement but they have still picked up more points than we have in our last 5 games.
[quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.[/p][/quote]distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.[/p][/quote]Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.[/p][/quote]millwall inform? about 3 months back maybe. as for wolves, i`d rather be in rovers position than theirs..[/p][/quote]There position is our position there is 6 points between us and them with some insanely tough games to go. Alright maybe inform was an understatement but they have still picked up more points than we have in our last 5 games. blazerafe
  • Score: -3

12:16am Wed 6 Mar 13

blazerafe says...

blazerafe wrote:
JPB wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
JPB wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.
distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.
Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.
millwall inform? about 3 months back maybe. as for wolves, i`d rather be in rovers position than theirs..
There position is our position there is 6 points between us and them with some insanely tough games to go. Alright maybe inform was an understatement but they have still picked up more points than we have in our last 5 games.
Overstatement*
[quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.[/p][/quote]distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.[/p][/quote]Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.[/p][/quote]millwall inform? about 3 months back maybe. as for wolves, i`d rather be in rovers position than theirs..[/p][/quote]There position is our position there is 6 points between us and them with some insanely tough games to go. Alright maybe inform was an understatement but they have still picked up more points than we have in our last 5 games.[/p][/quote]Overstatement* blazerafe
  • Score: -3

12:21am Wed 6 Mar 13

BlueSkies says...

blazerafe wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
JPB wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
JPB wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.
distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.
Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.
millwall inform? about 3 months back maybe. as for wolves, i`d rather be in rovers position than theirs..
There position is our position there is 6 points between us and them with some insanely tough games to go. Alright maybe inform was an understatement but they have still picked up more points than we have in our last 5 games.
Overstatement*
No No No..

It's RUinsane back again or a clone!

Bye bye
[quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.[/p][/quote]distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.[/p][/quote]Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.[/p][/quote]millwall inform? about 3 months back maybe. as for wolves, i`d rather be in rovers position than theirs..[/p][/quote]There position is our position there is 6 points between us and them with some insanely tough games to go. Alright maybe inform was an understatement but they have still picked up more points than we have in our last 5 games.[/p][/quote]Overstatement*[/p][/quote]No No No.. It's RUinsane back again or a clone! Bye bye BlueSkies
  • Score: -1

12:26am Wed 6 Mar 13

JPB says...

i`d just say get behind the manager and stay there. i for one believe in his approach to being a successful manager. a kamikaze approach does not work.
i`d just say get behind the manager and stay there. i for one believe in his approach to being a successful manager. a kamikaze approach does not work. JPB
  • Score: 0

12:30am Wed 6 Mar 13

blazerafe says...

JPB wrote:
i`d just say get behind the manager and stay there. i for one believe in his approach to being a successful manager. a kamikaze approach does not work.
I know where your coming from but Bowyer didnt need a kamikaze approach to get results, he had the players support and they were obviously comfortable in the way they were playing. Arsenal obviously inflated their ego's a little and over the past few games reality has smashed down on certain players hard, but do we really have to accept a 1-0 loss to one of our closest rivals as an improvement? that's all i am really trying to say.
[quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: i`d just say get behind the manager and stay there. i for one believe in his approach to being a successful manager. a kamikaze approach does not work.[/p][/quote]I know where your coming from but Bowyer didnt need a kamikaze approach to get results, he had the players support and they were obviously comfortable in the way they were playing. Arsenal obviously inflated their ego's a little and over the past few games reality has smashed down on certain players hard, but do we really have to accept a 1-0 loss to one of our closest rivals as an improvement? that's all i am really trying to say. blazerafe
  • Score: 0

12:31am Wed 6 Mar 13

gazzandste says...

peely wrote:
"I really thought we could nick it " just about sums this manager up ! He,s a loser, a bore draw specialist, and he,s bald !
Taxi for Appy !
If you put fergie in Blackburn as manager, and they lost would he be a looser. Probably not, get your head out of the sand and give the guy a chance. You cant be perfect all the time.
[quote][p][bold]peely[/bold] wrote: "I really thought we could nick it " just about sums this manager up ! He,s a loser, a bore draw specialist, and he,s bald ! Taxi for Appy ![/p][/quote]If you put fergie in Blackburn as manager, and they lost would he be a looser. Probably not, get your head out of the sand and give the guy a chance. You cant be perfect all the time. gazzandste
  • Score: 3

12:31am Wed 6 Mar 13

blazerafe says...

BlueSkies wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
JPB wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
JPB wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.
distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.
Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.
millwall inform? about 3 months back maybe. as for wolves, i`d rather be in rovers position than theirs..
There position is our position there is 6 points between us and them with some insanely tough games to go. Alright maybe inform was an understatement but they have still picked up more points than we have in our last 5 games.
Overstatement*
No No No..

It's RUinsane back again or a clone!

Bye bye
I have no idea who that person is or what they did, and i am certainly nobody's clone.
[quote][p][bold]BlueSkies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.[/p][/quote]distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.[/p][/quote]Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.[/p][/quote]millwall inform? about 3 months back maybe. as for wolves, i`d rather be in rovers position than theirs..[/p][/quote]There position is our position there is 6 points between us and them with some insanely tough games to go. Alright maybe inform was an understatement but they have still picked up more points than we have in our last 5 games.[/p][/quote]Overstatement*[/p][/quote]No No No.. It's RUinsane back again or a clone! Bye bye[/p][/quote]I have no idea who that person is or what they did, and i am certainly nobody's clone. blazerafe
  • Score: 0

12:37am Wed 6 Mar 13

JPB says...

blazerafe wrote:
JPB wrote:
i`d just say get behind the manager and stay there. i for one believe in his approach to being a successful manager. a kamikaze approach does not work.
I know where your coming from but Bowyer didnt need a kamikaze approach to get results, he had the players support and they were obviously comfortable in the way they were playing. Arsenal obviously inflated their ego's a little and over the past few games reality has smashed down on certain players hard, but do we really have to accept a 1-0 loss to one of our closest rivals as an improvement? that's all i am really trying to say.
there was nothing to suggest that results were going to continue in a positive vein under bowyer, his last game v wolves was as poor a display as any this season. you seem to be not accepting the fact that we have to rebuild the team before we will have the ability to challenge for promotion again. too many are either not good enough, or no longer have the desire to be successful at blackburn rovers. appleton has to have the chance to make it his team out there on the field.
[quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: i`d just say get behind the manager and stay there. i for one believe in his approach to being a successful manager. a kamikaze approach does not work.[/p][/quote]I know where your coming from but Bowyer didnt need a kamikaze approach to get results, he had the players support and they were obviously comfortable in the way they were playing. Arsenal obviously inflated their ego's a little and over the past few games reality has smashed down on certain players hard, but do we really have to accept a 1-0 loss to one of our closest rivals as an improvement? that's all i am really trying to say.[/p][/quote]there was nothing to suggest that results were going to continue in a positive vein under bowyer, his last game v wolves was as poor a display as any this season. you seem to be not accepting the fact that we have to rebuild the team before we will have the ability to challenge for promotion again. too many are either not good enough, or no longer have the desire to be successful at blackburn rovers. appleton has to have the chance to make it his team out there on the field. JPB
  • Score: 2

12:41am Wed 6 Mar 13

wozer1967 says...

lets face it guys our season is now fizzling out but at least we have some stability at last , time for a clear out at the end of the season as we want players who dont think this league is beneath them so get rid of the big time charlies but this goes for ALL OF YOU out there GET BEHIND THE MANAGER!! & hopefully we can have a proper crack at things next season so stop all this neagative stuff for gods sake its alright for you lot im a Rovers fan living in Burnley & im still positive!! lol
lets face it guys our season is now fizzling out but at least we have some stability at last , time for a clear out at the end of the season as we want players who dont think this league is beneath them so get rid of the big time charlies but this goes for ALL OF YOU out there GET BEHIND THE MANAGER!! & hopefully we can have a proper crack at things next season so stop all this neagative stuff for gods sake its alright for you lot im a Rovers fan living in Burnley & im still positive!! lol wozer1967
  • Score: 2

12:48am Wed 6 Mar 13

blazerafe says...

JPB wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
JPB wrote:
i`d just say get behind the manager and stay there. i for one believe in his approach to being a successful manager. a kamikaze approach does not work.
I know where your coming from but Bowyer didnt need a kamikaze approach to get results, he had the players support and they were obviously comfortable in the way they were playing. Arsenal obviously inflated their ego's a little and over the past few games reality has smashed down on certain players hard, but do we really have to accept a 1-0 loss to one of our closest rivals as an improvement? that's all i am really trying to say.
there was nothing to suggest that results were going to continue in a positive vein under bowyer, his last game v wolves was as poor a display as any this season. you seem to be not accepting the fact that we have to rebuild the team before we will have the ability to challenge for promotion again. too many are either not good enough, or no longer have the desire to be successful at blackburn rovers. appleton has to have the chance to make it his team out there on the field.
And how many seasons is that supposed to take? how many more years are we supposed to sit through this rubbish. I spent the entire last season watching Portsmouth as i was at University there so i already know how Appletons teams line up. And he would have kept them up if they had not been deducted 10 points but not once did Portsmouth have a game where i thought that they had performed better than average. Blackpool have just hired Paul Ince and everyone knows what a poor manager he was when he was here so it shows the judgement they use to hire there managers.

Combine this with the useless transfer situation we had in January and the fact that realistically if we dont get promoted the wage bill will have to be dramatically deflated before any sort of rebuilding can be done, it does not bode well. Sometimes managers dont have the luxury of being able to rebuild the squad as soon as they arrive but 2 points out of 15 speaks for itself does it not.
[quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: i`d just say get behind the manager and stay there. i for one believe in his approach to being a successful manager. a kamikaze approach does not work.[/p][/quote]I know where your coming from but Bowyer didnt need a kamikaze approach to get results, he had the players support and they were obviously comfortable in the way they were playing. Arsenal obviously inflated their ego's a little and over the past few games reality has smashed down on certain players hard, but do we really have to accept a 1-0 loss to one of our closest rivals as an improvement? that's all i am really trying to say.[/p][/quote]there was nothing to suggest that results were going to continue in a positive vein under bowyer, his last game v wolves was as poor a display as any this season. you seem to be not accepting the fact that we have to rebuild the team before we will have the ability to challenge for promotion again. too many are either not good enough, or no longer have the desire to be successful at blackburn rovers. appleton has to have the chance to make it his team out there on the field.[/p][/quote]And how many seasons is that supposed to take? how many more years are we supposed to sit through this rubbish. I spent the entire last season watching Portsmouth as i was at University there so i already know how Appletons teams line up. And he would have kept them up if they had not been deducted 10 points but not once did Portsmouth have a game where i thought that they had performed better than average. Blackpool have just hired Paul Ince and everyone knows what a poor manager he was when he was here so it shows the judgement they use to hire there managers. Combine this with the useless transfer situation we had in January and the fact that realistically if we dont get promoted the wage bill will have to be dramatically deflated before any sort of rebuilding can be done, it does not bode well. Sometimes managers dont have the luxury of being able to rebuild the squad as soon as they arrive but 2 points out of 15 speaks for itself does it not. blazerafe
  • Score: 1

12:48am Wed 6 Mar 13

johnny rover says...

With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats.

Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom.

So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom.

As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.
With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats. Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom. So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom. As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league. johnny rover
  • Score: -4

1:10am Wed 6 Mar 13

JPB says...

johnny rover wrote:
With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats.

Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom.

So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom.

As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.
if you really thought kean would have had us top of the league right now, your deluded. rovers was always a rebuilding job from the moment that man was allowed to fill our squad with the substandard tat that he did over his near 2 years in charge.
[quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats. Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom. So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom. As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.[/p][/quote]if you really thought kean would have had us top of the league right now, your deluded. rovers was always a rebuilding job from the moment that man was allowed to fill our squad with the substandard tat that he did over his near 2 years in charge. JPB
  • Score: 9

1:17am Wed 6 Mar 13

english rose 1 says...

Unfortunately you are deluded johnny rover. The ONLY game we deserved to win under Kean was Bristol C (A).
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His buys, apart from Rhodes & Yakubu were dreadful. His statements bizarre, his attitude terrible, and a proven speaker of untruths not to mention his criminal conviction. And he alienated most of our better players, prompting them to leave.
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Remember his comments about how teams would be 'afraid' of our teamsheet ? What a load of bull.
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The fact is that Kean left us in a dreadful state. Appleton needs time to form a competitive squad, - and that won't be this season.
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Unfortunately you are deluded johnny rover. The ONLY game we deserved to win under Kean was Bristol C (A). * His buys, apart from Rhodes & Yakubu were dreadful. His statements bizarre, his attitude terrible, and a proven speaker of untruths not to mention his criminal conviction. And he alienated most of our better players, prompting them to leave. * Remember his comments about how teams would be 'afraid' of our teamsheet ? What a load of bull. * The fact is that Kean left us in a dreadful state. Appleton needs time to form a competitive squad, - and that won't be this season. * english rose 1
  • Score: 12

1:24am Wed 6 Mar 13

johnny rover says...

JPB wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats.

Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom.

So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom.

As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.
if you really thought kean would have had us top of the league right now, your deluded. rovers was always a rebuilding job from the moment that man was allowed to fill our squad with the substandard tat that he did over his near 2 years in charge.
That "substandard tat" was good enough to have us top the table under Kean and Bowyer and one place off playoffs under Black. Combine the results of all three (who managed for 16 games between them) and we would be in 2nd place. With Berg and Appleton (20 games) we would not just be bottom but bottom by a mile. And if we continue getting results with Appleton like we have been getting under him we will end up bottom.
[quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats. Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom. So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom. As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.[/p][/quote]if you really thought kean would have had us top of the league right now, your deluded. rovers was always a rebuilding job from the moment that man was allowed to fill our squad with the substandard tat that he did over his near 2 years in charge.[/p][/quote]That "substandard tat" was good enough to have us top the table under Kean and Bowyer and one place off playoffs under Black. Combine the results of all three (who managed for 16 games between them) and we would be in 2nd place. With Berg and Appleton (20 games) we would not just be bottom but bottom by a mile. And if we continue getting results with Appleton like we have been getting under him we will end up bottom. johnny rover
  • Score: -6

1:38am Wed 6 Mar 13

MattNewcastle says...

I am livid, angry and sad.

Shaw Agnew and Coar - Hang your heads in shame.

Appleton is gormless and along with all his side kicks utterly useless. His comments tonight are astounding..

Facts and Realistic:
1 - We could have been beaten by 4 or more tonight, did no one see the goal line clearance off the line second half, numerous shots of theirs that went close. Sorry but our chances were no where near as clear cut as theirs.
2 - We were up against it all night Hanley again being the most worked player on the field just like all other games recently - Does that not tell you something.
3 - Appleton's inertia as a manager on the touchline is appalling.
4 - Moore his side kicks body language, slouched in his seat with his beanie and Puffa jacket on offering no support to Appleton is a disgrace - Compared to Freedman and his backroom staff we were totally outclassed.
5 - They bring on a centre forward and winger, two fresh pairs of legs, to run at our tired beleaguered defenders (who had had to defend for the best part of the match for we were being overun) and the clown stands there arms folded or in his pockets and does absolutely nothing to counter act it.
6 - Campbell and Rhodes cannot hold the ball up and are hardly tall up against Dawson and the tallest centre back in the championship and what do we do but hoof it up to them all night. They must have had the easiest night for a long time.
7 - Surprise surprise we end up defending all night because the ball comes back onto our back four time and time again.
8 - Best should have been on after 20 minutes for it was clear for all to see that Rhodes and Campbell were going to get nowhere.
9 - As soon as Bolton made their changes we should have taken Rhodes off left Best on and put Givet in front of Dann and Hanley to relieve the pressure and counter their two changes to at least secure a draw.
10 - Have we now also become the most flimsy Rovers side ever. You could push Rhodes, Henley, Olsson, Pederson, Stewart, Campbell over with your little finger - It was truly like watching Men v Boys. They have no Physical presence at all. Every side in the championship must be quaking in their boots playing us!!!
11 - Both our flanks tonight were overrun and ineffective in getting behind the Bolton defence.

I utterly despair and would not let Appleton spend another penny.

I am more than happy to be in a minority of one.

And I will not change my mind until a good, solid, intelligent, tactically astute, charismatic (ok the first 4 qualities will do) manager is put in charge of our wonderful club.
I am livid, angry and sad. Shaw Agnew and Coar - Hang your heads in shame. Appleton is gormless and along with all his side kicks utterly useless. His comments tonight are astounding.. Facts and Realistic: 1 - We could have been beaten by 4 or more tonight, did no one see the goal line clearance off the line second half, numerous shots of theirs that went close. Sorry but our chances were no where near as clear cut as theirs. 2 - We were up against it all night Hanley again being the most worked player on the field just like all other games recently - Does that not tell you something. 3 - Appleton's inertia as a manager on the touchline is appalling. 4 - Moore his side kicks body language, slouched in his seat with his beanie and Puffa jacket on offering no support to Appleton is a disgrace - Compared to Freedman and his backroom staff we were totally outclassed. 5 - They bring on a centre forward and winger, two fresh pairs of legs, to run at our tired beleaguered defenders (who had had to defend for the best part of the match for we were being overun) and the clown stands there arms folded or in his pockets and does absolutely nothing to counter act it. 6 - Campbell and Rhodes cannot hold the ball up and are hardly tall up against Dawson and the tallest centre back in the championship and what do we do but hoof it up to them all night. They must have had the easiest night for a long time. 7 - Surprise surprise we end up defending all night because the ball comes back onto our back four time and time again. 8 - Best should have been on after 20 minutes for it was clear for all to see that Rhodes and Campbell were going to get nowhere. 9 - As soon as Bolton made their changes we should have taken Rhodes off left Best on and put Givet in front of Dann and Hanley to relieve the pressure and counter their two changes to at least secure a draw. 10 - Have we now also become the most flimsy Rovers side ever. You could push Rhodes, Henley, Olsson, Pederson, Stewart, Campbell over with your little finger - It was truly like watching Men v Boys. They have no Physical presence at all. Every side in the championship must be quaking in their boots playing us!!! 11 - Both our flanks tonight were overrun and ineffective in getting behind the Bolton defence. I utterly despair and would not let Appleton spend another penny. I am more than happy to be in a minority of one. And I will not change my mind until a good, solid, intelligent, tactically astute, charismatic (ok the first 4 qualities will do) manager is put in charge of our wonderful club. MattNewcastle
  • Score: 16

1:52am Wed 6 Mar 13

passingfootball says...

we have to be grateful for those 14 points in the first 6 games of the season, which are just about keeping rovers out of the relegation zone, otherwise rovers would be below bristol city by now, currently bottom with 36 points

appleton and bergs 20 games in charge makes a harrowing reading, 11 defeats in total, only 3 wins to show for all their efforts, points wise a dismal return 15 points from 60 (6 for berg and 9 for apple), if rovers hadnt splashed out on rhodes you cant even begin to imagine what dire mess they would have been in
we have to be grateful for those 14 points in the first 6 games of the season, which are just about keeping rovers out of the relegation zone, otherwise rovers would be below bristol city by now, currently bottom with 36 points appleton and bergs 20 games in charge makes a harrowing reading, 11 defeats in total, only 3 wins to show for all their efforts, points wise a dismal return 15 points from 60 (6 for berg and 9 for apple), if rovers hadnt splashed out on rhodes you cant even begin to imagine what dire mess they would have been in passingfootball
  • Score: 6

2:09am Wed 6 Mar 13

johnny rover says...

passingfootball wrote:
we have to be grateful for those 14 points in the first 6 games of the season, which are just about keeping rovers out of the relegation zone, otherwise rovers would be below bristol city by now, currently bottom with 36 points

appleton and bergs 20 games in charge makes a harrowing reading, 11 defeats in total, only 3 wins to show for all their efforts, points wise a dismal return 15 points from 60 (6 for berg and 9 for apple), if rovers hadnt splashed out on rhodes you cant even begin to imagine what dire mess they would have been in
Dead right.
[quote][p][bold]passingfootball[/bold] wrote: we have to be grateful for those 14 points in the first 6 games of the season, which are just about keeping rovers out of the relegation zone, otherwise rovers would be below bristol city by now, currently bottom with 36 points appleton and bergs 20 games in charge makes a harrowing reading, 11 defeats in total, only 3 wins to show for all their efforts, points wise a dismal return 15 points from 60 (6 for berg and 9 for apple), if rovers hadnt splashed out on rhodes you cant even begin to imagine what dire mess they would have been in[/p][/quote]Dead right. johnny rover
  • Score: 0

2:16am Wed 6 Mar 13

johnny rover says...

english rose 1 wrote:
Unfortunately you are deluded johnny rover. The ONLY game we deserved to win under Kean was Bristol C (A).
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His buys, apart from Rhodes & Yakubu were dreadful. His statements bizarre, his attitude terrible, and a proven speaker of untruths not to mention his criminal conviction. And he alienated most of our better players, prompting them to leave.
*
Remember his comments about how teams would be 'afraid' of our teamsheet ? What a load of bull.
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The fact is that Kean left us in a dreadful state. Appleton needs time to form a competitive squad, - and that won't be this season.
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The stats show that Kean and his "dreadful buys" was likely to get us up to the premier league. And Bowyer, and possibly Black. I don't care how lucky he was with his results or how poor his attitude was, I would prefer to be in that position than where we are now - heading for a relegation battle (maybe not even a battle, could be a nosedive). I'd give Appleton one last chance against Milwall in the cup. If we lose that, get shot of him and put GB back in charge until the end of the season. And what kind of attitude is it to give a half-time team talk at Leicester saying "go out and make sure you don't lose by 4 or 5"!
[quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately you are deluded johnny rover. The ONLY game we deserved to win under Kean was Bristol C (A). * His buys, apart from Rhodes & Yakubu were dreadful. His statements bizarre, his attitude terrible, and a proven speaker of untruths not to mention his criminal conviction. And he alienated most of our better players, prompting them to leave. * Remember his comments about how teams would be 'afraid' of our teamsheet ? What a load of bull. * The fact is that Kean left us in a dreadful state. Appleton needs time to form a competitive squad, - and that won't be this season. *[/p][/quote]The stats show that Kean and his "dreadful buys" was likely to get us up to the premier league. And Bowyer, and possibly Black. I don't care how lucky he was with his results or how poor his attitude was, I would prefer to be in that position than where we are now - heading for a relegation battle (maybe not even a battle, could be a nosedive). I'd give Appleton one last chance against Milwall in the cup. If we lose that, get shot of him and put GB back in charge until the end of the season. And what kind of attitude is it to give a half-time team talk at Leicester saying "go out and make sure you don't lose by 4 or 5"! johnny rover
  • Score: -7

5:27am Wed 6 Mar 13

whappen says...

blazerafe wrote:
BlueSkies wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
JPB wrote:
blazerafe wrote: I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.
distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.
Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.
Do you actually go to a game or simply look at statistics?
I do both, whats the problem? statistics dont lie.
Lies, d@mn lies and statistics, as they say.
[quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueSkies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.[/p][/quote]distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.[/p][/quote]Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.[/p][/quote]Do you actually go to a game or simply look at statistics?[/p][/quote]I do both, whats the problem? statistics dont lie.[/p][/quote]Lies, d@mn lies and statistics, as they say. whappen
  • Score: -2

5:39am Wed 6 Mar 13

whappen says...

johnny rover wrote:
english rose 1 wrote: Unfortunately you are deluded johnny rover. The ONLY game we deserved to win under Kean was Bristol C (A). * His buys, apart from Rhodes & Yakubu were dreadful. His statements bizarre, his attitude terrible, and a proven speaker of untruths not to mention his criminal conviction. And he alienated most of our better players, prompting them to leave. * Remember his comments about how teams would be 'afraid' of our teamsheet ? What a load of bull. * The fact is that Kean left us in a dreadful state. Appleton needs time to form a competitive squad, - and that won't be this season. *
The stats show that Kean and his "dreadful buys" was likely to get us up to the premier league. And Bowyer, and possibly Black. I don't care how lucky he was with his results or how poor his attitude was, I would prefer to be in that position than where we are now - heading for a relegation battle (maybe not even a battle, could be a nosedive). I'd give Appleton one last chance against Milwall in the cup. If we lose that, get shot of him and put GB back in charge until the end of the season. And what kind of attitude is it to give a half-time team talk at Leicester saying "go out and make sure you don't lose by 4 or 5"!
Stats show a lot of things; especially when used selectively to suit a particular argument. We wouldn't be anywhere near the play-offs whichever of the four was in charge.

I say again, lies, d@mn lies and statistics.
[quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately you are deluded johnny rover. The ONLY game we deserved to win under Kean was Bristol C (A). * His buys, apart from Rhodes & Yakubu were dreadful. His statements bizarre, his attitude terrible, and a proven speaker of untruths not to mention his criminal conviction. And he alienated most of our better players, prompting them to leave. * Remember his comments about how teams would be 'afraid' of our teamsheet ? What a load of bull. * The fact is that Kean left us in a dreadful state. Appleton needs time to form a competitive squad, - and that won't be this season. *[/p][/quote]The stats show that Kean and his "dreadful buys" was likely to get us up to the premier league. And Bowyer, and possibly Black. I don't care how lucky he was with his results or how poor his attitude was, I would prefer to be in that position than where we are now - heading for a relegation battle (maybe not even a battle, could be a nosedive). I'd give Appleton one last chance against Milwall in the cup. If we lose that, get shot of him and put GB back in charge until the end of the season. And what kind of attitude is it to give a half-time team talk at Leicester saying "go out and make sure you don't lose by 4 or 5"![/p][/quote]Stats show a lot of things; especially when used selectively to suit a particular argument. We wouldn't be anywhere near the play-offs whichever of the four was in charge. I say again, lies, d@mn lies and statistics. whappen
  • Score: 3

6:45am Wed 6 Mar 13

J.C - Rishton says...

johnny rover wrote:
With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats.

Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom.

So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom.

As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.
So this is how far we've fallen ? - fans pining for the good old days under Steve Kean ???

Unbeleivable !!!

Kean was manager for 7 games this season yet you quote that we would have carried on winning at the same % all through the season if he'd have stayed - 7 games is far too few - I think we did well early in the season because teams came to Ewood thinking a point would be a good result and played for it.
Once they'd realised people like DM were crap and they could boss the midfield then now teams have no fear of Rovers.

Steve Kean is a MORON - and everyone in the football world knows it - disagree - well how come he hasnt been linked to a single job since leaving Rovers - not even the Scotland job unlike every other unemployed Scottish manager, no matter how incompetant.

Kean's buys were an unmitigated disaster !!! - he has lost this club around £25m in transfer dealings in the 18 months he was in charge - some achievement (you've probably lost count of the £2-4m players he bought that were so bad we've had to GIVE them all away for nothing.

The only decent player he bought was Yakubu (Rhodes was a SS purchase - the only decent thing that moron has done for the club).

And his man management ?? - he fell out with virtually every senior rovers player - sometimes more than once - why ? - cos they all knew he was as mad as a box of frogs.

The club is in a "death spiral" and has been very since Venkys took over- and as for "re-building in the summer" ???

Who would want Murphy, Etuhu (both SK signings) on £35K a week, Robinson, Givet, Pederson, Gomes (2 yr deal on £30K per week - another Steve Kean waste of money) etc etc.

Venkys are killing this club - yes the "happy clappers" will call me a "doom-monger" and will tell us we are only "90 mins from wembly" etc etc but 99% of us know that this club dies a little bit more, every day that Venkys own it.

My one hope this season is that we don't lose to the Dingles next week and we can finish above them (although if we keep losing matches we will be in a relegation fight before the end of the season as the bottom clubs keep picking up points)- this is how far we have fallen under our wonderful owners !
[quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats. Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom. So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom. As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.[/p][/quote]So this is how far we've fallen ? - fans pining for the good old days under Steve Kean ??? Unbeleivable !!! Kean was manager for 7 games this season yet you quote that we would have carried on winning at the same % all through the season if he'd have stayed - 7 games is far too few - I think we did well early in the season because teams came to Ewood thinking a point would be a good result and played for it. Once they'd realised people like DM were crap and they could boss the midfield then now teams have no fear of Rovers. Steve Kean is a MORON - and everyone in the football world knows it - disagree - well how come he hasnt been linked to a single job since leaving Rovers - not even the Scotland job unlike every other unemployed Scottish manager, no matter how incompetant. Kean's buys were an unmitigated disaster !!! - he has lost this club around £25m in transfer dealings in the 18 months he was in charge - some achievement (you've probably lost count of the £2-4m players he bought that were so bad we've had to GIVE them all away for nothing. The only decent player he bought was Yakubu (Rhodes was a SS purchase - the only decent thing that moron has done for the club). And his man management ?? - he fell out with virtually every senior rovers player - sometimes more than once - why ? - cos they all knew he was as mad as a box of frogs. The club is in a "death spiral" and has been very since Venkys took over- and as for "re-building in the summer" ??? Who would want Murphy, Etuhu (both SK signings) on £35K a week, Robinson, Givet, Pederson, Gomes (2 yr deal on £30K per week - another Steve Kean waste of money) etc etc. Venkys are killing this club - yes the "happy clappers" will call me a "doom-monger" and will tell us we are only "90 mins from wembly" etc etc but 99% of us know that this club dies a little bit more, every day that Venkys own it. My one hope this season is that we don't lose to the Dingles next week and we can finish above them (although if we keep losing matches we will be in a relegation fight before the end of the season as the bottom clubs keep picking up points)- this is how far we have fallen under our wonderful owners ! J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 13

6:54am Wed 6 Mar 13

Elysiumfire says...

Stats may not lie, but how one interprets them can be problematic. Going into last night's game, Bolton had a far superior statistical form factor, but positionally in the league, quite within reach.

I said Bolton would take the points, but they didn't do so based on statistical facts. Truth is, Blackburn played a more competitive game than they did last Saturday, still it was not enough. A lax in concentration allowed former Claret Eagles to swoop and snatch the 3 points!

I know many of you might not agree with me (for whatever reason?), but Appleton is the RIGHT man, RIGHT now for Blackburn. Be patient with him, and he will steady the ship, and there are signs that he is doing so. Forget going for glories this season, you are not playing well enough, or consistently well enough, to merit them. He has joined a club that is at storm with itself with internal discord, but he can calm the waters around that which he has influence...the playing field. The schism between owners and fans is something that is out of his hands, but is highly influential upon his strategic gameplay and player confidence.

Of course, a win is better than a draw, and a draw is better than a loss, so if the game's end is drawing near, and neither team look to be able to make the breakthrough, a draw is a far more satisfactory result than the eventual loss that came. It's all about perspective without prejudice.

Statistically, Bolton underperformed, whereas Blackburn upped their form quite significanly. If both teams had played to statistical form, Bolton would have slaughtered Rovers. Stats are good at telling a tale post-mortemly, but are quite inadequate (especially in football) to provide undeniable predictive power on a future outcome. Stats should only be taken as a guide.

Blackburn are away to Millwall on Saturday in the FA Cup. Statistically, there is little between both teams in regard to form. Stats-wise, it has the look of a draw, but I should expect Rovers to scrape a win without extra time, and that is what you want. Not just for the win, but for the turning into the wind to go forward in the right direction. The players need a win for their confidence, and Millwall should provide them with it.
Stats may not lie, but how one interprets them can be problematic. Going into last night's game, Bolton had a far superior statistical form factor, but positionally in the league, quite within reach. I said Bolton would take the points, but they didn't do so based on statistical facts. Truth is, Blackburn played a more competitive game than they did last Saturday, still it was not enough. A lax in concentration allowed former Claret Eagles to swoop and snatch the 3 points! I know many of you might not agree with me (for whatever reason?), but Appleton is the RIGHT man, RIGHT now for Blackburn. Be patient with him, and he will steady the ship, and there are signs that he is doing so. Forget going for glories this season, you are not playing well enough, or consistently well enough, to merit them. He has joined a club that is at storm with itself with internal discord, but he can calm the waters around that which he has influence...the playing field. The schism between owners and fans is something that is out of his hands, but is highly influential upon his strategic gameplay and player confidence. Of course, a win is better than a draw, and a draw is better than a loss, so if the game's end is drawing near, and neither team look to be able to make the breakthrough, a draw is a far more satisfactory result than the eventual loss that came. It's all about perspective without prejudice. Statistically, Bolton underperformed, whereas Blackburn upped their form quite significanly. If both teams had played to statistical form, Bolton would have slaughtered Rovers. Stats are good at telling a tale post-mortemly, but are quite inadequate (especially in football) to provide undeniable predictive power on a future outcome. Stats should only be taken as a guide. Blackburn are away to Millwall on Saturday in the FA Cup. Statistically, there is little between both teams in regard to form. Stats-wise, it has the look of a draw, but I should expect Rovers to scrape a win without extra time, and that is what you want. Not just for the win, but for the turning into the wind to go forward in the right direction. The players need a win for their confidence, and Millwall should provide them with it. Elysiumfire
  • Score: 3

7:00am Wed 6 Mar 13

CasBRFC says...

blazerafe wrote:
BlueSkies wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
JPB wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.
distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.
Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.
Do you actually go to a game or simply look at statistics?
I do both, whats the problem? statistics dont lie.
give it a rest blazefare you think statistics give a true reflection! On that basis you are saying we are better than arsenal because the statistics in the paper said 1 0. Yes
[quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueSkies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.[/p][/quote]distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.[/p][/quote]Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.[/p][/quote]Do you actually go to a game or simply look at statistics?[/p][/quote]I do both, whats the problem? statistics dont lie.[/p][/quote]give it a rest blazefare you think statistics give a true reflection! On that basis you are saying we are better than arsenal because the statistics in the paper said 1 0. Yes CasBRFC
  • Score: 0

7:26am Wed 6 Mar 13

roverinmanchstr says...

wozer1967 wrote:
lets face it guys our season is now fizzling out but at least we have some stability at last , time for a clear out at the end of the season as we want players who dont think this league is beneath them so get rid of the big time charlies but this goes for ALL OF YOU out there GET BEHIND THE MANAGER!! & hopefully we can have a proper crack at things next season so stop all this neagative stuff for gods sake its alright for you lot im a Rovers fan living in Burnley & im still positive!! lol
Stability ...Venky's..Don't be so silly..You are deluded
[quote][p][bold]wozer1967[/bold] wrote: lets face it guys our season is now fizzling out but at least we have some stability at last , time for a clear out at the end of the season as we want players who dont think this league is beneath them so get rid of the big time charlies but this goes for ALL OF YOU out there GET BEHIND THE MANAGER!! & hopefully we can have a proper crack at things next season so stop all this neagative stuff for gods sake its alright for you lot im a Rovers fan living in Burnley & im still positive!! lol[/p][/quote]Stability ...Venky's..Don't be so silly..You are deluded roverinmanchstr
  • Score: -2

7:28am Wed 6 Mar 13

bburnrover says...

Well we are more organisised better in midfield but lack that killer pass and decent wing play to create chances up front.

We will see next season what he he is like as a manager when he has his own team in.The fact is we seem to have been done in the final seconds on numerous occasions this season so we need to get fitter and concentrate right up to the whistle.
Well we are more organisised better in midfield but lack that killer pass and decent wing play to create chances up front. We will see next season what he he is like as a manager when he has his own team in.The fact is we seem to have been done in the final seconds on numerous occasions this season so we need to get fitter and concentrate right up to the whistle. bburnrover
  • Score: -1

7:40am Wed 6 Mar 13

1riversider says...

Couldn't get to the game tonight so no comments on that performance, but pardon the pun, "the chickens are now coming home to roost!" The policy of selling a proven Premiership side and replacing them with has been's and never will be's was always going to end in tears and so it is proving to be.

And, just a thought, have you all noticed what's happened at Notts Forest since they appointed a "real" football manager?

SHYSTERS GET OUT OF OUR CLUB
Couldn't get to the game tonight so no comments on that performance, but pardon the pun, "the chickens are now coming home to roost!" The policy of selling a proven Premiership side and replacing them with has been's and never will be's was always going to end in tears and so it is proving to be. And, just a thought, have you all noticed what's happened at Notts Forest since they appointed a "real" football manager? SHYSTERS GET OUT OF OUR CLUB 1riversider
  • Score: 1

7:42am Wed 6 Mar 13

greenscreener says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats.

Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom.

So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom.

As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.
So this is how far we've fallen ? - fans pining for the good old days under Steve Kean ???

Unbeleivable !!!

Kean was manager for 7 games this season yet you quote that we would have carried on winning at the same % all through the season if he'd have stayed - 7 games is far too few - I think we did well early in the season because teams came to Ewood thinking a point would be a good result and played for it.
Once they'd realised people like DM were crap and they could boss the midfield then now teams have no fear of Rovers.

Steve Kean is a MORON - and everyone in the football world knows it - disagree - well how come he hasnt been linked to a single job since leaving Rovers - not even the Scotland job unlike every other unemployed Scottish manager, no matter how incompetant.

Kean's buys were an unmitigated disaster !!! - he has lost this club around £25m in transfer dealings in the 18 months he was in charge - some achievement (you've probably lost count of the £2-4m players he bought that were so bad we've had to GIVE them all away for nothing.

The only decent player he bought was Yakubu (Rhodes was a SS purchase - the only decent thing that moron has done for the club).

And his man management ?? - he fell out with virtually every senior rovers player - sometimes more than once - why ? - cos they all knew he was as mad as a box of frogs.

The club is in a "death spiral" and has been very since Venkys took over- and as for "re-building in the summer" ???

Who would want Murphy, Etuhu (both SK signings) on £35K a week, Robinson, Givet, Pederson, Gomes (2 yr deal on £30K per week - another Steve Kean waste of money) etc etc.

Venkys are killing this club - yes the "happy clappers" will call me a "doom-monger" and will tell us we are only "90 mins from wembly" etc etc but 99% of us know that this club dies a little bit more, every day that Venkys own it.

My one hope this season is that we don't lose to the Dingles next week and we can finish above them (although if we keep losing matches we will be in a relegation fight before the end of the season as the bottom clubs keep picking up points)- this is how far we have fallen under our wonderful owners !
Saved me a bit of typing there JC, i was thinking much the same.

Strange that when Mrs Kean starts quoting stats she seems to forget the ones that really matter, where were we when he arrived vs. where were we when he left !!!
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats. Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom. So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom. As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.[/p][/quote]So this is how far we've fallen ? - fans pining for the good old days under Steve Kean ??? Unbeleivable !!! Kean was manager for 7 games this season yet you quote that we would have carried on winning at the same % all through the season if he'd have stayed - 7 games is far too few - I think we did well early in the season because teams came to Ewood thinking a point would be a good result and played for it. Once they'd realised people like DM were crap and they could boss the midfield then now teams have no fear of Rovers. Steve Kean is a MORON - and everyone in the football world knows it - disagree - well how come he hasnt been linked to a single job since leaving Rovers - not even the Scotland job unlike every other unemployed Scottish manager, no matter how incompetant. Kean's buys were an unmitigated disaster !!! - he has lost this club around £25m in transfer dealings in the 18 months he was in charge - some achievement (you've probably lost count of the £2-4m players he bought that were so bad we've had to GIVE them all away for nothing. The only decent player he bought was Yakubu (Rhodes was a SS purchase - the only decent thing that moron has done for the club). And his man management ?? - he fell out with virtually every senior rovers player - sometimes more than once - why ? - cos they all knew he was as mad as a box of frogs. The club is in a "death spiral" and has been very since Venkys took over- and as for "re-building in the summer" ??? Who would want Murphy, Etuhu (both SK signings) on £35K a week, Robinson, Givet, Pederson, Gomes (2 yr deal on £30K per week - another Steve Kean waste of money) etc etc. Venkys are killing this club - yes the "happy clappers" will call me a "doom-monger" and will tell us we are only "90 mins from wembly" etc etc but 99% of us know that this club dies a little bit more, every day that Venkys own it. My one hope this season is that we don't lose to the Dingles next week and we can finish above them (although if we keep losing matches we will be in a relegation fight before the end of the season as the bottom clubs keep picking up points)- this is how far we have fallen under our wonderful owners ![/p][/quote]Saved me a bit of typing there JC, i was thinking much the same. Strange that when Mrs Kean starts quoting stats she seems to forget the ones that really matter, where were we when he arrived vs. where were we when he left !!! greenscreener
  • Score: 6

7:46am Wed 6 Mar 13

roverinmanchstr says...

bburnrover wrote:
Well we are more organisised better in midfield but lack that killer pass and decent wing play to create chances up front.

We will see next season what he he is like as a manager when he has his own team in.The fact is we seem to have been done in the final seconds on numerous occasions this season so we need to get fitter and concentrate right up to the whistle.
you are also deluded
[quote][p][bold]bburnrover[/bold] wrote: Well we are more organisised better in midfield but lack that killer pass and decent wing play to create chances up front. We will see next season what he he is like as a manager when he has his own team in.The fact is we seem to have been done in the final seconds on numerous occasions this season so we need to get fitter and concentrate right up to the whistle.[/p][/quote]you are also deluded roverinmanchstr
  • Score: 1

7:53am Wed 6 Mar 13

MatthewCA says...

Good Positive move and buildup.

Hope next 10 games we will win.

Happy Appy.
Good Positive move and buildup. Hope next 10 games we will win. Happy Appy. MatthewCA
  • Score: 3

7:57am Wed 6 Mar 13

OnePostThenTheOther says...

Manager praises players earning tens of thousands per week for delivering the minimum expectation i.e. commitment and effort.

Elsewhere in the news: mummy praises baby for eating up all of its din-dins.
Manager praises players earning tens of thousands per week for delivering the minimum expectation i.e. commitment and effort. Elsewhere in the news: mummy praises baby for eating up all of its din-dins. OnePostThenTheOther
  • Score: 3

8:02am Wed 6 Mar 13

trevhd says...

Some bad losers,I have heard some fans ? were singing Fabrice Muamba should be dead if this is correct these fans ? should be banned from the games as it is a disgraceful thing to do.
Some bad losers,I have heard some fans ? were singing Fabrice Muamba should be dead if this is correct these fans ? should be banned from the games as it is a disgraceful thing to do. trevhd
  • Score: 1

8:07am Wed 6 Mar 13

greenscreener says...

CasBRFC wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
BlueSkies wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
JPB wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.
distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.
Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.
Do you actually go to a game or simply look at statistics?
I do both, whats the problem? statistics dont lie.
give it a rest blazefare you think statistics give a true reflection! On that basis you are saying we are better than arsenal because the statistics in the paper said 1 0. Yes
Stats are great..... Rovers must be the best team left in the F.A. Cup, we haven't conceded a single goal this season !

See you all down the bookies later.
[quote][p][bold]CasBRFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueSkies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.[/p][/quote]distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.[/p][/quote]Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.[/p][/quote]Do you actually go to a game or simply look at statistics?[/p][/quote]I do both, whats the problem? statistics dont lie.[/p][/quote]give it a rest blazefare you think statistics give a true reflection! On that basis you are saying we are better than arsenal because the statistics in the paper said 1 0. Yes[/p][/quote]Stats are great..... Rovers must be the best team left in the F.A. Cup, we haven't conceded a single goal this season ! See you all down the bookies later. greenscreener
  • Score: 3

8:09am Wed 6 Mar 13

fanny.tickler. says...

trevhd wrote:
Some bad losers,I have heard some fans ? were singing Fabrice Muamba should be dead if this is correct these fans ? should be banned from the games as it is a disgraceful thing to do.
Agreed. Absolutely shameful from the Blackburn Rovers supporters, but no more than we have come to expect from this bunch of shaved apes, you are a disgrace to football. Shame on you.
[quote][p][bold]trevhd[/bold] wrote: Some bad losers,I have heard some fans ? were singing Fabrice Muamba should be dead if this is correct these fans ? should be banned from the games as it is a disgraceful thing to do.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Absolutely shameful from the Blackburn Rovers supporters, but no more than we have come to expect from this bunch of shaved apes, you are a disgrace to football. Shame on you. fanny.tickler.
  • Score: 0

8:24am Wed 6 Mar 13

Angry From Accrington says...

MattNewcastle wrote:
I am livid, angry and sad.

Shaw Agnew and Coar - Hang your heads in shame.

Appleton is gormless and along with all his side kicks utterly useless. His comments tonight are astounding..

Facts and Realistic:
1 - We could have been beaten by 4 or more tonight, did no one see the goal line clearance off the line second half, numerous shots of theirs that went close. Sorry but our chances were no where near as clear cut as theirs.
2 - We were up against it all night Hanley again being the most worked player on the field just like all other games recently - Does that not tell you something.
3 - Appleton's inertia as a manager on the touchline is appalling.
4 - Moore his side kicks body language, slouched in his seat with his beanie and Puffa jacket on offering no support to Appleton is a disgrace - Compared to Freedman and his backroom staff we were totally outclassed.
5 - They bring on a centre forward and winger, two fresh pairs of legs, to run at our tired beleaguered defenders (who had had to defend for the best part of the match for we were being overun) and the clown stands there arms folded or in his pockets and does absolutely nothing to counter act it.
6 - Campbell and Rhodes cannot hold the ball up and are hardly tall up against Dawson and the tallest centre back in the championship and what do we do but hoof it up to them all night. They must have had the easiest night for a long time.
7 - Surprise surprise we end up defending all night because the ball comes back onto our back four time and time again.
8 - Best should have been on after 20 minutes for it was clear for all to see that Rhodes and Campbell were going to get nowhere.
9 - As soon as Bolton made their changes we should have taken Rhodes off left Best on and put Givet in front of Dann and Hanley to relieve the pressure and counter their two changes to at least secure a draw.
10 - Have we now also become the most flimsy Rovers side ever. You could push Rhodes, Henley, Olsson, Pederson, Stewart, Campbell over with your little finger - It was truly like watching Men v Boys. They have no Physical presence at all. Every side in the championship must be quaking in their boots playing us!!!
11 - Both our flanks tonight were overrun and ineffective in getting behind the Bolton defence.

I utterly despair and would not let Appleton spend another penny.

I am more than happy to be in a minority of one.

And I will not change my mind until a good, solid, intelligent, tactically astute, charismatic (ok the first 4 qualities will do) manager is put in charge of our wonderful club.
You are in a minority of at least three and probably thousands more if they had the balls to admit that they were wrong to force Kean out. Appleton is completely out of his depth, has offloaded quality creative players and replaced them with Sunday League cloggers. Bring back Rochina, Formica, Vucevij, Rosado ,Nunes and convince Boater that he is the man to manage this club. APPLETON OUT!
[quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote: I am livid, angry and sad. Shaw Agnew and Coar - Hang your heads in shame. Appleton is gormless and along with all his side kicks utterly useless. His comments tonight are astounding.. Facts and Realistic: 1 - We could have been beaten by 4 or more tonight, did no one see the goal line clearance off the line second half, numerous shots of theirs that went close. Sorry but our chances were no where near as clear cut as theirs. 2 - We were up against it all night Hanley again being the most worked player on the field just like all other games recently - Does that not tell you something. 3 - Appleton's inertia as a manager on the touchline is appalling. 4 - Moore his side kicks body language, slouched in his seat with his beanie and Puffa jacket on offering no support to Appleton is a disgrace - Compared to Freedman and his backroom staff we were totally outclassed. 5 - They bring on a centre forward and winger, two fresh pairs of legs, to run at our tired beleaguered defenders (who had had to defend for the best part of the match for we were being overun) and the clown stands there arms folded or in his pockets and does absolutely nothing to counter act it. 6 - Campbell and Rhodes cannot hold the ball up and are hardly tall up against Dawson and the tallest centre back in the championship and what do we do but hoof it up to them all night. They must have had the easiest night for a long time. 7 - Surprise surprise we end up defending all night because the ball comes back onto our back four time and time again. 8 - Best should have been on after 20 minutes for it was clear for all to see that Rhodes and Campbell were going to get nowhere. 9 - As soon as Bolton made their changes we should have taken Rhodes off left Best on and put Givet in front of Dann and Hanley to relieve the pressure and counter their two changes to at least secure a draw. 10 - Have we now also become the most flimsy Rovers side ever. You could push Rhodes, Henley, Olsson, Pederson, Stewart, Campbell over with your little finger - It was truly like watching Men v Boys. They have no Physical presence at all. Every side in the championship must be quaking in their boots playing us!!! 11 - Both our flanks tonight were overrun and ineffective in getting behind the Bolton defence. I utterly despair and would not let Appleton spend another penny. I am more than happy to be in a minority of one. And I will not change my mind until a good, solid, intelligent, tactically astute, charismatic (ok the first 4 qualities will do) manager is put in charge of our wonderful club.[/p][/quote]You are in a minority of at least three and probably thousands more if they had the balls to admit that they were wrong to force Kean out. Appleton is completely out of his depth, has offloaded quality creative players and replaced them with Sunday League cloggers. Bring back Rochina, Formica, Vucevij, Rosado ,Nunes and convince Boater that he is the man to manage this club. APPLETON OUT! Angry From Accrington
  • Score: -1

8:26am Wed 6 Mar 13

Angry From Accrington says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
MattNewcastle wrote:
I am livid, angry and sad.

Shaw Agnew and Coar - Hang your heads in shame.

Appleton is gormless and along with all his side kicks utterly useless. His comments tonight are astounding..

Facts and Realistic:
1 - We could have been beaten by 4 or more tonight, did no one see the goal line clearance off the line second half, numerous shots of theirs that went close. Sorry but our chances were no where near as clear cut as theirs.
2 - We were up against it all night Hanley again being the most worked player on the field just like all other games recently - Does that not tell you something.
3 - Appleton's inertia as a manager on the touchline is appalling.
4 - Moore his side kicks body language, slouched in his seat with his beanie and Puffa jacket on offering no support to Appleton is a disgrace - Compared to Freedman and his backroom staff we were totally outclassed.
5 - They bring on a centre forward and winger, two fresh pairs of legs, to run at our tired beleaguered defenders (who had had to defend for the best part of the match for we were being overun) and the clown stands there arms folded or in his pockets and does absolutely nothing to counter act it.
6 - Campbell and Rhodes cannot hold the ball up and are hardly tall up against Dawson and the tallest centre back in the championship and what do we do but hoof it up to them all night. They must have had the easiest night for a long time.
7 - Surprise surprise we end up defending all night because the ball comes back onto our back four time and time again.
8 - Best should have been on after 20 minutes for it was clear for all to see that Rhodes and Campbell were going to get nowhere.
9 - As soon as Bolton made their changes we should have taken Rhodes off left Best on and put Givet in front of Dann and Hanley to relieve the pressure and counter their two changes to at least secure a draw.
10 - Have we now also become the most flimsy Rovers side ever. You could push Rhodes, Henley, Olsson, Pederson, Stewart, Campbell over with your little finger - It was truly like watching Men v Boys. They have no Physical presence at all. Every side in the championship must be quaking in their boots playing us!!!
11 - Both our flanks tonight were overrun and ineffective in getting behind the Bolton defence.

I utterly despair and would not let Appleton spend another penny.

I am more than happy to be in a minority of one.

And I will not change my mind until a good, solid, intelligent, tactically astute, charismatic (ok the first 4 qualities will do) manager is put in charge of our wonderful club.
You are in a minority of at least three and probably thousands more if they had the balls to admit that they were wrong to force Kean out. Appleton is completely out of his depth, has offloaded quality creative players and replaced them with Sunday League cloggers. Bring back Rochina, Formica, Vucevij, Rosado ,Nunes and convince Boater that he is the man to manage this club. APPLETON OUT!
That's Bowyer by the way. My spell check is as useless as Appleton
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote: I am livid, angry and sad. Shaw Agnew and Coar - Hang your heads in shame. Appleton is gormless and along with all his side kicks utterly useless. His comments tonight are astounding.. Facts and Realistic: 1 - We could have been beaten by 4 or more tonight, did no one see the goal line clearance off the line second half, numerous shots of theirs that went close. Sorry but our chances were no where near as clear cut as theirs. 2 - We were up against it all night Hanley again being the most worked player on the field just like all other games recently - Does that not tell you something. 3 - Appleton's inertia as a manager on the touchline is appalling. 4 - Moore his side kicks body language, slouched in his seat with his beanie and Puffa jacket on offering no support to Appleton is a disgrace - Compared to Freedman and his backroom staff we were totally outclassed. 5 - They bring on a centre forward and winger, two fresh pairs of legs, to run at our tired beleaguered defenders (who had had to defend for the best part of the match for we were being overun) and the clown stands there arms folded or in his pockets and does absolutely nothing to counter act it. 6 - Campbell and Rhodes cannot hold the ball up and are hardly tall up against Dawson and the tallest centre back in the championship and what do we do but hoof it up to them all night. They must have had the easiest night for a long time. 7 - Surprise surprise we end up defending all night because the ball comes back onto our back four time and time again. 8 - Best should have been on after 20 minutes for it was clear for all to see that Rhodes and Campbell were going to get nowhere. 9 - As soon as Bolton made their changes we should have taken Rhodes off left Best on and put Givet in front of Dann and Hanley to relieve the pressure and counter their two changes to at least secure a draw. 10 - Have we now also become the most flimsy Rovers side ever. You could push Rhodes, Henley, Olsson, Pederson, Stewart, Campbell over with your little finger - It was truly like watching Men v Boys. They have no Physical presence at all. Every side in the championship must be quaking in their boots playing us!!! 11 - Both our flanks tonight were overrun and ineffective in getting behind the Bolton defence. I utterly despair and would not let Appleton spend another penny. I am more than happy to be in a minority of one. And I will not change my mind until a good, solid, intelligent, tactically astute, charismatic (ok the first 4 qualities will do) manager is put in charge of our wonderful club.[/p][/quote]You are in a minority of at least three and probably thousands more if they had the balls to admit that they were wrong to force Kean out. Appleton is completely out of his depth, has offloaded quality creative players and replaced them with Sunday League cloggers. Bring back Rochina, Formica, Vucevij, Rosado ,Nunes and convince Boater that he is the man to manage this club. APPLETON OUT![/p][/quote]That's Bowyer by the way. My spell check is as useless as Appleton Angry From Accrington
  • Score: -7

8:59am Wed 6 Mar 13

dangerous dave says...

All talk Mr Appleton just lıke Shaw Agnew Venkys & Co relegatıon scrap beckons should thıs form contınue - as I saıd before your all good a talkıng ın the press but not where ıt counts on the fıeld.
OUT WITH SHAW AGNEW SINGH VENKYS HENDRY COAR ASND APPLETON
All talk Mr Appleton just lıke Shaw Agnew Venkys & Co relegatıon scrap beckons should thıs form contınue - as I saıd before your all good a talkıng ın the press but not where ıt counts on the fıeld. OUT WITH SHAW AGNEW SINGH VENKYS HENDRY COAR ASND APPLETON dangerous dave
  • Score: -1

9:23am Wed 6 Mar 13

tugay please !! says...

Why are people expecting a miracle over night. We are still owned by Venkeys and I believe the new manager is trying to sort out the mess created by them and Kean over the last two years. I have said before this is 2013 and struggling in the championship is our level like it or not. We have no option now but to rebuild.Souness had the same problems and we gave him time only difference is he had Jack we dont . Last night was better and we were unlucky to lose in the last min. We wernt unlucky at Leicester or against Posh so the fact is that performance and effort wise it was an improvement on most games this season. We are a championship club and championship players with championship mentality are the only way forward likewise when it comes to the manager. We cant live on the past glory days as I have said remember them yes !! but just move on wether you like it or not at this level we do have a realistic chance to win every game home and away in the premier we write off ten games before the season has started, in a crazy way I prefer 2013 than walking to Ewood with no hope because we dont have the money or crowds to compete. Bring on Burnley a game far more important than any Manchester or Liverpool in my world and if that means championship football then I want and prefer som of that. Never forget your roots !!!
Why are people expecting a miracle over night. We are still owned by Venkeys and I believe the new manager is trying to sort out the mess created by them and Kean over the last two years. I have said before this is 2013 and struggling in the championship is our level like it or not. We have no option now but to rebuild.Souness had the same problems and we gave him time only difference is he had Jack we dont . Last night was better and we were unlucky to lose in the last min. We wernt unlucky at Leicester or against Posh so the fact is that performance and effort wise it was an improvement on most games this season. We are a championship club and championship players with championship mentality are the only way forward likewise when it comes to the manager. We cant live on the past glory days as I have said remember them yes !! but just move on wether you like it or not at this level we do have a realistic chance to win every game home and away in the premier we write off ten games before the season has started, in a crazy way I prefer 2013 than walking to Ewood with no hope because we dont have the money or crowds to compete. Bring on Burnley a game far more important than any Manchester or Liverpool in my world and if that means championship football then I want and prefer som of that. Never forget your roots !!! tugay please !!
  • Score: 4

9:28am Wed 6 Mar 13

baldie says...

goldfinger59 wrote:
We were unlucky tonight and hit the bar twice and were a whisker away with two shots, Bolton never looked like scoring, all their shots were either way off target or weak shots at our goalie, they just got the bit of luck that we were missing.
Said by someone who obviously went to the game.Well summed up.
[quote][p][bold]goldfinger59[/bold] wrote: We were unlucky tonight and hit the bar twice and were a whisker away with two shots, Bolton never looked like scoring, all their shots were either way off target or weak shots at our goalie, they just got the bit of luck that we were missing.[/p][/quote]Said by someone who obviously went to the game.Well summed up. baldie
  • Score: 2

9:32am Wed 6 Mar 13

MxMave says...

Yeah Appleton great that there was commitment and desire tonight. Pity youve ravaged the squad of any skill we had to make that happen.
Yeah Appleton great that there was commitment and desire tonight. Pity youve ravaged the squad of any skill we had to make that happen. MxMave
  • Score: 0

9:39am Wed 6 Mar 13

leitchy says...

trevhd wrote:
Some bad losers,I have heard some fans ? were singing Fabrice Muamba should be dead if this is correct these fans ? should be banned from the games as it is a disgraceful thing to do.
I was at the game...never heard that from any fans.

Eagles were taunting the fans after his goal and ran the length of the pitch to celebrate in front of the rovers fans! No excuse though if our fans were singing that !!

Bolton looked like the only team going to score, although a draw would of been a fair result. An inproved rovers but need some quality to find a killer pass!
[quote][p][bold]trevhd[/bold] wrote: Some bad losers,I have heard some fans ? were singing Fabrice Muamba should be dead if this is correct these fans ? should be banned from the games as it is a disgraceful thing to do.[/p][/quote]I was at the game...never heard that from any fans. Eagles were taunting the fans after his goal and ran the length of the pitch to celebrate in front of the rovers fans! No excuse though if our fans were singing that !! Bolton looked like the only team going to score, although a draw would of been a fair result. An inproved rovers but need some quality to find a killer pass! leitchy
  • Score: 3

9:49am Wed 6 Mar 13

tugay please !! says...

I was there lasi night and there were no so called chants, just someone stirring garbage. However Bolton fans were throwing coins and bottles some full at Rovers fans .Unfortunately Rovers fans did react by smashing seats and throwing them back. There was also trouble on the ground as fans tried to get at each other and outside after the game. A bit like the 80 s all over again .
Why do Bolton fans hate us when we dont care ?
I was there lasi night and there were no so called chants, just someone stirring garbage. However Bolton fans were throwing coins and bottles some full at Rovers fans .Unfortunately Rovers fans did react by smashing seats and throwing them back. There was also trouble on the ground as fans tried to get at each other and outside after the game. A bit like the 80 s all over again . Why do Bolton fans hate us when we dont care ? tugay please !!
  • Score: 1

9:54am Wed 6 Mar 13

StLedge says...

dangerous dave wrote:
All talk Mr Appleton just lıke Shaw Agnew Venkys & Co relegatıon scrap beckons should thıs form contınue - as I saıd before your all good a talkıng ın the press but not where ıt counts on the fıeld. OUT WITH SHAW AGNEW SINGH VENKYS HENDRY COAR ASND APPLETON
You truly are a moron!
[quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: All talk Mr Appleton just lıke Shaw Agnew Venkys & Co relegatıon scrap beckons should thıs form contınue - as I saıd before your all good a talkıng ın the press but not where ıt counts on the fıeld. OUT WITH SHAW AGNEW SINGH VENKYS HENDRY COAR ASND APPLETON[/p][/quote]You truly are a moron! StLedge
  • Score: -2

9:58am Wed 6 Mar 13

fitz808 says...

blazerafe wrote:
JPB wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
JPB wrote:
i`d just say get behind the manager and stay there. i for one believe in his approach to being a successful manager. a kamikaze approach does not work.
I know where your coming from but Bowyer didnt need a kamikaze approach to get results, he had the players support and they were obviously comfortable in the way they were playing. Arsenal obviously inflated their ego's a little and over the past few games reality has smashed down on certain players hard, but do we really have to accept a 1-0 loss to one of our closest rivals as an improvement? that's all i am really trying to say.
there was nothing to suggest that results were going to continue in a positive vein under bowyer, his last game v wolves was as poor a display as any this season. you seem to be not accepting the fact that we have to rebuild the team before we will have the ability to challenge for promotion again. too many are either not good enough, or no longer have the desire to be successful at blackburn rovers. appleton has to have the chance to make it his team out there on the field.
And how many seasons is that supposed to take? how many more years are we supposed to sit through this rubbish. I spent the entire last season watching Portsmouth as i was at University there so i already know how Appletons teams line up. And he would have kept them up if they had not been deducted 10 points but not once did Portsmouth have a game where i thought that they had performed better than average. Blackpool have just hired Paul Ince and everyone knows what a poor manager he was when he was here so it shows the judgement they use to hire there managers.

Combine this with the useless transfer situation we had in January and the fact that realistically if we dont get promoted the wage bill will have to be dramatically deflated before any sort of rebuilding can be done, it does not bode well. Sometimes managers dont have the luxury of being able to rebuild the squad as soon as they arrive but 2 points out of 15 speaks for itself does it not.
in answer to your second question, "how many more years are we supposed to sit through this rubbish," i would have to say as long as it takes. what's the alternative?
we can keep protesting until we have a manager who wins every game in a style which every single fan wants and appreciates...
Or we could buy out the owners with the huge pot of cash we have available to us...
or we can stop being fans and go off and support someone more successful...
...
or, here's a though, we could just appreciate that things aren't wunderbar at the moment, but are also not horrific either. and in this blissful state of mind, we could turn up to a game an support our club with a bit of humility and a smile on our faces.
[quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: i`d just say get behind the manager and stay there. i for one believe in his approach to being a successful manager. a kamikaze approach does not work.[/p][/quote]I know where your coming from but Bowyer didnt need a kamikaze approach to get results, he had the players support and they were obviously comfortable in the way they were playing. Arsenal obviously inflated their ego's a little and over the past few games reality has smashed down on certain players hard, but do we really have to accept a 1-0 loss to one of our closest rivals as an improvement? that's all i am really trying to say.[/p][/quote]there was nothing to suggest that results were going to continue in a positive vein under bowyer, his last game v wolves was as poor a display as any this season. you seem to be not accepting the fact that we have to rebuild the team before we will have the ability to challenge for promotion again. too many are either not good enough, or no longer have the desire to be successful at blackburn rovers. appleton has to have the chance to make it his team out there on the field.[/p][/quote]And how many seasons is that supposed to take? how many more years are we supposed to sit through this rubbish. I spent the entire last season watching Portsmouth as i was at University there so i already know how Appletons teams line up. And he would have kept them up if they had not been deducted 10 points but not once did Portsmouth have a game where i thought that they had performed better than average. Blackpool have just hired Paul Ince and everyone knows what a poor manager he was when he was here so it shows the judgement they use to hire there managers. Combine this with the useless transfer situation we had in January and the fact that realistically if we dont get promoted the wage bill will have to be dramatically deflated before any sort of rebuilding can be done, it does not bode well. Sometimes managers dont have the luxury of being able to rebuild the squad as soon as they arrive but 2 points out of 15 speaks for itself does it not.[/p][/quote]in answer to your second question, "how many more years are we supposed to sit through this rubbish," i would have to say as long as it takes. what's the alternative? we can keep protesting until we have a manager who wins every game in a style which every single fan wants and appreciates... Or we could buy out the owners with the huge pot of cash we have available to us... or we can stop being fans and go off and support someone more successful... ... or, here's a though, we could just appreciate that things aren't wunderbar at the moment, but are also not horrific either. and in this blissful state of mind, we could turn up to a game an support our club with a bit of humility and a smile on our faces. fitz808
  • Score: 0

10:04am Wed 6 Mar 13

Harwoodstblue says...

leitchy wrote:
trevhd wrote:
Some bad losers,I have heard some fans ? were singing Fabrice Muamba should be dead if this is correct these fans ? should be banned from the games as it is a disgraceful thing to do.
I was at the game...never heard that from any fans.

Eagles were taunting the fans after his goal and ran the length of the pitch to celebrate in front of the rovers fans! No excuse though if our fans were singing that !!

Bolton looked like the only team going to score, although a draw would of been a fair result. An inproved rovers but need some quality to find a killer pass!
Football, Quality, Venkys....Different as chalk and cheese. They don't go together.
[quote][p][bold]leitchy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trevhd[/bold] wrote: Some bad losers,I have heard some fans ? were singing Fabrice Muamba should be dead if this is correct these fans ? should be banned from the games as it is a disgraceful thing to do.[/p][/quote]I was at the game...never heard that from any fans. Eagles were taunting the fans after his goal and ran the length of the pitch to celebrate in front of the rovers fans! No excuse though if our fans were singing that !! Bolton looked like the only team going to score, although a draw would of been a fair result. An inproved rovers but need some quality to find a killer pass![/p][/quote]Football, Quality, Venkys....Different as chalk and cheese. They don't go together. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 1

10:05am Wed 6 Mar 13

moh says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
MattNewcastle wrote: I am livid, angry and sad. Shaw Agnew and Coar - Hang your heads in shame. Appleton is gormless and along with all his side kicks utterly useless. His comments tonight are astounding.. Facts and Realistic: 1 - We could have been beaten by 4 or more tonight, did no one see the goal line clearance off the line second half, numerous shots of theirs that went close. Sorry but our chances were no where near as clear cut as theirs. 2 - We were up against it all night Hanley again being the most worked player on the field just like all other games recently - Does that not tell you something. 3 - Appleton's inertia as a manager on the touchline is appalling. 4 - Moore his side kicks body language, slouched in his seat with his beanie and Puffa jacket on offering no support to Appleton is a disgrace - Compared to Freedman and his backroom staff we were totally outclassed. 5 - They bring on a centre forward and winger, two fresh pairs of legs, to run at our tired beleaguered defenders (who had had to defend for the best part of the match for we were being overun) and the clown stands there arms folded or in his pockets and does absolutely nothing to counter act it. 6 - Campbell and Rhodes cannot hold the ball up and are hardly tall up against Dawson and the tallest centre back in the championship and what do we do but hoof it up to them all night. They must have had the easiest night for a long time. 7 - Surprise surprise we end up defending all night because the ball comes back onto our back four time and time again. 8 - Best should have been on after 20 minutes for it was clear for all to see that Rhodes and Campbell were going to get nowhere. 9 - As soon as Bolton made their changes we should have taken Rhodes off left Best on and put Givet in front of Dann and Hanley to relieve the pressure and counter their two changes to at least secure a draw. 10 - Have we now also become the most flimsy Rovers side ever. You could push Rhodes, Henley, Olsson, Pederson, Stewart, Campbell over with your little finger - It was truly like watching Men v Boys. They have no Physical presence at all. Every side in the championship must be quaking in their boots playing us!!! 11 - Both our flanks tonight were overrun and ineffective in getting behind the Bolton defence. I utterly despair and would not let Appleton spend another penny. I am more than happy to be in a minority of one. And I will not change my mind until a good, solid, intelligent, tactically astute, charismatic (ok the first 4 qualities will do) manager is put in charge of our wonderful club.
You are in a minority of at least three and probably thousands more if they had the balls to admit that they were wrong to force Kean out. Appleton is completely out of his depth, has offloaded quality creative players and replaced them with Sunday League cloggers. Bring back Rochina, Formica, Vucevij, Rosado ,Nunes and convince Boater that he is the man to manage this club. APPLETON OUT!
That's Bowyer by the way. My spell check is as useless as Appleton
very worrying as we are sliding down the table, Appleton needs to stop giving statements out everyday and concentrate on getting points to keep us in this division.
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote: I am livid, angry and sad. Shaw Agnew and Coar - Hang your heads in shame. Appleton is gormless and along with all his side kicks utterly useless. His comments tonight are astounding.. Facts and Realistic: 1 - We could have been beaten by 4 or more tonight, did no one see the goal line clearance off the line second half, numerous shots of theirs that went close. Sorry but our chances were no where near as clear cut as theirs. 2 - We were up against it all night Hanley again being the most worked player on the field just like all other games recently - Does that not tell you something. 3 - Appleton's inertia as a manager on the touchline is appalling. 4 - Moore his side kicks body language, slouched in his seat with his beanie and Puffa jacket on offering no support to Appleton is a disgrace - Compared to Freedman and his backroom staff we were totally outclassed. 5 - They bring on a centre forward and winger, two fresh pairs of legs, to run at our tired beleaguered defenders (who had had to defend for the best part of the match for we were being overun) and the clown stands there arms folded or in his pockets and does absolutely nothing to counter act it. 6 - Campbell and Rhodes cannot hold the ball up and are hardly tall up against Dawson and the tallest centre back in the championship and what do we do but hoof it up to them all night. They must have had the easiest night for a long time. 7 - Surprise surprise we end up defending all night because the ball comes back onto our back four time and time again. 8 - Best should have been on after 20 minutes for it was clear for all to see that Rhodes and Campbell were going to get nowhere. 9 - As soon as Bolton made their changes we should have taken Rhodes off left Best on and put Givet in front of Dann and Hanley to relieve the pressure and counter their two changes to at least secure a draw. 10 - Have we now also become the most flimsy Rovers side ever. You could push Rhodes, Henley, Olsson, Pederson, Stewart, Campbell over with your little finger - It was truly like watching Men v Boys. They have no Physical presence at all. Every side in the championship must be quaking in their boots playing us!!! 11 - Both our flanks tonight were overrun and ineffective in getting behind the Bolton defence. I utterly despair and would not let Appleton spend another penny. I am more than happy to be in a minority of one. And I will not change my mind until a good, solid, intelligent, tactically astute, charismatic (ok the first 4 qualities will do) manager is put in charge of our wonderful club.[/p][/quote]You are in a minority of at least three and probably thousands more if they had the balls to admit that they were wrong to force Kean out. Appleton is completely out of his depth, has offloaded quality creative players and replaced them with Sunday League cloggers. Bring back Rochina, Formica, Vucevij, Rosado ,Nunes and convince Boater that he is the man to manage this club. APPLETON OUT![/p][/quote]That's Bowyer by the way. My spell check is as useless as Appleton[/p][/quote]very worrying as we are sliding down the table, Appleton needs to stop giving statements out everyday and concentrate on getting points to keep us in this division. moh
  • Score: 1

10:15am Wed 6 Mar 13

Harwoodstblue says...

moh wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
MattNewcastle wrote: I am livid, angry and sad. Shaw Agnew and Coar - Hang your heads in shame. Appleton is gormless and along with all his side kicks utterly useless. His comments tonight are astounding.. Facts and Realistic: 1 - We could have been beaten by 4 or more tonight, did no one see the goal line clearance off the line second half, numerous shots of theirs that went close. Sorry but our chances were no where near as clear cut as theirs. 2 - We were up against it all night Hanley again being the most worked player on the field just like all other games recently - Does that not tell you something. 3 - Appleton's inertia as a manager on the touchline is appalling. 4 - Moore his side kicks body language, slouched in his seat with his beanie and Puffa jacket on offering no support to Appleton is a disgrace - Compared to Freedman and his backroom staff we were totally outclassed. 5 - They bring on a centre forward and winger, two fresh pairs of legs, to run at our tired beleaguered defenders (who had had to defend for the best part of the match for we were being overun) and the clown stands there arms folded or in his pockets and does absolutely nothing to counter act it. 6 - Campbell and Rhodes cannot hold the ball up and are hardly tall up against Dawson and the tallest centre back in the championship and what do we do but hoof it up to them all night. They must have had the easiest night for a long time. 7 - Surprise surprise we end up defending all night because the ball comes back onto our back four time and time again. 8 - Best should have been on after 20 minutes for it was clear for all to see that Rhodes and Campbell were going to get nowhere. 9 - As soon as Bolton made their changes we should have taken Rhodes off left Best on and put Givet in front of Dann and Hanley to relieve the pressure and counter their two changes to at least secure a draw. 10 - Have we now also become the most flimsy Rovers side ever. You could push Rhodes, Henley, Olsson, Pederson, Stewart, Campbell over with your little finger - It was truly like watching Men v Boys. They have no Physical presence at all. Every side in the championship must be quaking in their boots playing us!!! 11 - Both our flanks tonight were overrun and ineffective in getting behind the Bolton defence. I utterly despair and would not let Appleton spend another penny. I am more than happy to be in a minority of one. And I will not change my mind until a good, solid, intelligent, tactically astute, charismatic (ok the first 4 qualities will do) manager is put in charge of our wonderful club.
You are in a minority of at least three and probably thousands more if they had the balls to admit that they were wrong to force Kean out. Appleton is completely out of his depth, has offloaded quality creative players and replaced them with Sunday League cloggers. Bring back Rochina, Formica, Vucevij, Rosado ,Nunes and convince Boater that he is the man to manage this club. APPLETON OUT!
That's Bowyer by the way. My spell check is as useless as Appleton
very worrying as we are sliding down the table, Appleton needs to stop giving statements out everyday and concentrate on getting points to keep us in this division.
Agreed...Actions speak louder than words. It's points we need now and quick, before we get sucked into the relegation mire.
There needs to be a vast improvement in the next month or it'll be another nervy end to the season.
Who could have imagined this two years ago when we were cruising along Premiership mid table?
[quote][p][bold]moh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote: I am livid, angry and sad. Shaw Agnew and Coar - Hang your heads in shame. Appleton is gormless and along with all his side kicks utterly useless. His comments tonight are astounding.. Facts and Realistic: 1 - We could have been beaten by 4 or more tonight, did no one see the goal line clearance off the line second half, numerous shots of theirs that went close. Sorry but our chances were no where near as clear cut as theirs. 2 - We were up against it all night Hanley again being the most worked player on the field just like all other games recently - Does that not tell you something. 3 - Appleton's inertia as a manager on the touchline is appalling. 4 - Moore his side kicks body language, slouched in his seat with his beanie and Puffa jacket on offering no support to Appleton is a disgrace - Compared to Freedman and his backroom staff we were totally outclassed. 5 - They bring on a centre forward and winger, two fresh pairs of legs, to run at our tired beleaguered defenders (who had had to defend for the best part of the match for we were being overun) and the clown stands there arms folded or in his pockets and does absolutely nothing to counter act it. 6 - Campbell and Rhodes cannot hold the ball up and are hardly tall up against Dawson and the tallest centre back in the championship and what do we do but hoof it up to them all night. They must have had the easiest night for a long time. 7 - Surprise surprise we end up defending all night because the ball comes back onto our back four time and time again. 8 - Best should have been on after 20 minutes for it was clear for all to see that Rhodes and Campbell were going to get nowhere. 9 - As soon as Bolton made their changes we should have taken Rhodes off left Best on and put Givet in front of Dann and Hanley to relieve the pressure and counter their two changes to at least secure a draw. 10 - Have we now also become the most flimsy Rovers side ever. You could push Rhodes, Henley, Olsson, Pederson, Stewart, Campbell over with your little finger - It was truly like watching Men v Boys. They have no Physical presence at all. Every side in the championship must be quaking in their boots playing us!!! 11 - Both our flanks tonight were overrun and ineffective in getting behind the Bolton defence. I utterly despair and would not let Appleton spend another penny. I am more than happy to be in a minority of one. And I will not change my mind until a good, solid, intelligent, tactically astute, charismatic (ok the first 4 qualities will do) manager is put in charge of our wonderful club.[/p][/quote]You are in a minority of at least three and probably thousands more if they had the balls to admit that they were wrong to force Kean out. Appleton is completely out of his depth, has offloaded quality creative players and replaced them with Sunday League cloggers. Bring back Rochina, Formica, Vucevij, Rosado ,Nunes and convince Boater that he is the man to manage this club. APPLETON OUT![/p][/quote]That's Bowyer by the way. My spell check is as useless as Appleton[/p][/quote]very worrying as we are sliding down the table, Appleton needs to stop giving statements out everyday and concentrate on getting points to keep us in this division.[/p][/quote]Agreed...Actions speak louder than words. It's points we need now and quick, before we get sucked into the relegation mire. There needs to be a vast improvement in the next month or it'll be another nervy end to the season. Who could have imagined this two years ago when we were cruising along Premiership mid table? Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 2

10:24am Wed 6 Mar 13

PersianRover says...

johnny rover wrote:
With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats.

Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom.

So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom.

As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.
GB In! Rochina In! Vuckevic in! AND GIVES NUNES A CHANCE - WHEN HE AS PLAYED HE HAS BEEN SHARP, AGGRESSIVE and QUICK>

Appelton Out!
[quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats. Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom. So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom. As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.[/p][/quote]GB In! Rochina In! Vuckevic in! AND GIVES NUNES A CHANCE - WHEN HE AS PLAYED HE HAS BEEN SHARP, AGGRESSIVE and QUICK> Appelton Out! PersianRover
  • Score: 0

10:39am Wed 6 Mar 13

johnny rover says...

Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong. johnny rover
  • Score: 5

10:42am Wed 6 Mar 13

gleechy says...

johnny rover wrote:
english rose 1 wrote:
Unfortunately you are deluded johnny rover. The ONLY game we deserved to win under Kean was Bristol C (A).
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His buys, apart from Rhodes & Yakubu were dreadful. His statements bizarre, his attitude terrible, and a proven speaker of untruths not to mention his criminal conviction. And he alienated most of our better players, prompting them to leave.
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Remember his comments about how teams would be 'afraid' of our teamsheet ? What a load of bull.
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The fact is that Kean left us in a dreadful state. Appleton needs time to form a competitive squad, - and that won't be this season.
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The stats show that Kean and his "dreadful buys" was likely to get us up to the premier league. And Bowyer, and possibly Black. I don't care how lucky he was with his results or how poor his attitude was, I would prefer to be in that position than where we are now - heading for a relegation battle (maybe not even a battle, could be a nosedive). I'd give Appleton one last chance against Milwall in the cup. If we lose that, get shot of him and put GB back in charge until the end of the season. And what kind of attitude is it to give a half-time team talk at Leicester saying "go out and make sure you don't lose by 4 or 5"!
Please go to specsavers. The stats show us what we already knew, Kean was not a Premier Manager, and was happy to lie his way through a season or two and relied on idiots to back up his meaningless appraisals of his game.

If Rovers won a game with Kean in charge the look of dissbelief was all around as it was more likely to of been a **** good fluke, and the other team falling over itself that gave us the win.

If you truely believe Kean was the Man, you have not been around football very long, perhaps you have not been around very long, but it is a shallow ill thought out statement, and couldn't be further from the truth.
[quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately you are deluded johnny rover. The ONLY game we deserved to win under Kean was Bristol C (A). * His buys, apart from Rhodes & Yakubu were dreadful. His statements bizarre, his attitude terrible, and a proven speaker of untruths not to mention his criminal conviction. And he alienated most of our better players, prompting them to leave. * Remember his comments about how teams would be 'afraid' of our teamsheet ? What a load of bull. * The fact is that Kean left us in a dreadful state. Appleton needs time to form a competitive squad, - and that won't be this season. *[/p][/quote]The stats show that Kean and his "dreadful buys" was likely to get us up to the premier league. And Bowyer, and possibly Black. I don't care how lucky he was with his results or how poor his attitude was, I would prefer to be in that position than where we are now - heading for a relegation battle (maybe not even a battle, could be a nosedive). I'd give Appleton one last chance against Milwall in the cup. If we lose that, get shot of him and put GB back in charge until the end of the season. And what kind of attitude is it to give a half-time team talk at Leicester saying "go out and make sure you don't lose by 4 or 5"![/p][/quote]Please go to specsavers. The stats show us what we already knew, Kean was not a Premier Manager, and was happy to lie his way through a season or two and relied on idiots to back up his meaningless appraisals of his game. If Rovers won a game with Kean in charge the look of dissbelief was all around as it was more likely to of been a **** good fluke, and the other team falling over itself that gave us the win. If you truely believe Kean was the Man, you have not been around football very long, perhaps you have not been around very long, but it is a shallow ill thought out statement, and couldn't be further from the truth. gleechy
  • Score: 3

10:49am Wed 6 Mar 13

MattNewcastle says...

baldie wrote:
goldfinger59 wrote:
We were unlucky tonight and hit the bar twice and were a whisker away with two shots, Bolton never looked like scoring, all their shots were either way off target or weak shots at our goalie, they just got the bit of luck that we were missing.
Said by someone who obviously went to the game.Well summed up.
Good morning

Respect your viewpoint but I viewed the game totally differently to you.

Guess that is what this forum is about.
[quote][p][bold]baldie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldfinger59[/bold] wrote: We were unlucky tonight and hit the bar twice and were a whisker away with two shots, Bolton never looked like scoring, all their shots were either way off target or weak shots at our goalie, they just got the bit of luck that we were missing.[/p][/quote]Said by someone who obviously went to the game.Well summed up.[/p][/quote]Good morning Respect your viewpoint but I viewed the game totally differently to you. Guess that is what this forum is about. MattNewcastle
  • Score: 1

10:52am Wed 6 Mar 13

French Rover says...

Elysiumfire wrote:
Stats may not lie, but how one interprets them can be problematic. Going into last night's game, Bolton had a far superior statistical form factor, but positionally in the league, quite within reach.

I said Bolton would take the points, but they didn't do so based on statistical facts. Truth is, Blackburn played a more competitive game than they did last Saturday, still it was not enough. A lax in concentration allowed former Claret Eagles to swoop and snatch the 3 points!

I know many of you might not agree with me (for whatever reason?), but Appleton is the RIGHT man, RIGHT now for Blackburn. Be patient with him, and he will steady the ship, and there are signs that he is doing so. Forget going for glories this season, you are not playing well enough, or consistently well enough, to merit them. He has joined a club that is at storm with itself with internal discord, but he can calm the waters around that which he has influence...the playing field. The schism between owners and fans is something that is out of his hands, but is highly influential upon his strategic gameplay and player confidence.

Of course, a win is better than a draw, and a draw is better than a loss, so if the game's end is drawing near, and neither team look to be able to make the breakthrough, a draw is a far more satisfactory result than the eventual loss that came. It's all about perspective without prejudice.

Statistically, Bolton underperformed, whereas Blackburn upped their form quite significanly. If both teams had played to statistical form, Bolton would have slaughtered Rovers. Stats are good at telling a tale post-mortemly, but are quite inadequate (especially in football) to provide undeniable predictive power on a future outcome. Stats should only be taken as a guide.

Blackburn are away to Millwall on Saturday in the FA Cup. Statistically, there is little between both teams in regard to form. Stats-wise, it has the look of a draw, but I should expect Rovers to scrape a win without extra time, and that is what you want. Not just for the win, but for the turning into the wind to go forward in the right direction. The players need a win for their confidence, and Millwall should provide them with it.
Probably the best and most sensible post on here for ages...have a Carling!
[quote][p][bold]Elysiumfire[/bold] wrote: Stats may not lie, but how one interprets them can be problematic. Going into last night's game, Bolton had a far superior statistical form factor, but positionally in the league, quite within reach. I said Bolton would take the points, but they didn't do so based on statistical facts. Truth is, Blackburn played a more competitive game than they did last Saturday, still it was not enough. A lax in concentration allowed former Claret Eagles to swoop and snatch the 3 points! I know many of you might not agree with me (for whatever reason?), but Appleton is the RIGHT man, RIGHT now for Blackburn. Be patient with him, and he will steady the ship, and there are signs that he is doing so. Forget going for glories this season, you are not playing well enough, or consistently well enough, to merit them. He has joined a club that is at storm with itself with internal discord, but he can calm the waters around that which he has influence...the playing field. The schism between owners and fans is something that is out of his hands, but is highly influential upon his strategic gameplay and player confidence. Of course, a win is better than a draw, and a draw is better than a loss, so if the game's end is drawing near, and neither team look to be able to make the breakthrough, a draw is a far more satisfactory result than the eventual loss that came. It's all about perspective without prejudice. Statistically, Bolton underperformed, whereas Blackburn upped their form quite significanly. If both teams had played to statistical form, Bolton would have slaughtered Rovers. Stats are good at telling a tale post-mortemly, but are quite inadequate (especially in football) to provide undeniable predictive power on a future outcome. Stats should only be taken as a guide. Blackburn are away to Millwall on Saturday in the FA Cup. Statistically, there is little between both teams in regard to form. Stats-wise, it has the look of a draw, but I should expect Rovers to scrape a win without extra time, and that is what you want. Not just for the win, but for the turning into the wind to go forward in the right direction. The players need a win for their confidence, and Millwall should provide them with it.[/p][/quote]Probably the best and most sensible post on here for ages...have a Carling! French Rover
  • Score: 2

10:53am Wed 6 Mar 13

benal13 says...

so MA is happy in defeat and he also sticks up for bradley orr for having another go at the fans not good MA NOT GOOD AT ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so MA is happy in defeat and he also sticks up for bradley orr for having another go at the fans not good MA NOT GOOD AT ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! benal13
  • Score: 3

10:55am Wed 6 Mar 13

Roverthere says...

johnny rover wrote:
With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats.

Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom.

So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom.

As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.
Possibly league 1 with Kean!
[quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats. Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom. So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom. As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.[/p][/quote]Possibly league 1 with Kean! Roverthere
  • Score: 2

11:01am Wed 6 Mar 13

benal13 says...

French Rover wrote:
Elysiumfire wrote:
Stats may not lie, but how one interprets them can be problematic. Going into last night's game, Bolton had a far superior statistical form factor, but positionally in the league, quite within reach.

I said Bolton would take the points, but they didn't do so based on statistical facts. Truth is, Blackburn played a more competitive game than they did last Saturday, still it was not enough. A lax in concentration allowed former Claret Eagles to swoop and snatch the 3 points!

I know many of you might not agree with me (for whatever reason?), but Appleton is the RIGHT man, RIGHT now for Blackburn. Be patient with him, and he will steady the ship, and there are signs that he is doing so. Forget going for glories this season, you are not playing well enough, or consistently well enough, to merit them. He has joined a club that is at storm with itself with internal discord, but he can calm the waters around that which he has influence...the playing field. The schism between owners and fans is something that is out of his hands, but is highly influential upon his strategic gameplay and player confidence.

Of course, a win is better than a draw, and a draw is better than a loss, so if the game's end is drawing near, and neither team look to be able to make the breakthrough, a draw is a far more satisfactory result than the eventual loss that came. It's all about perspective without prejudice.

Statistically, Bolton underperformed, whereas Blackburn upped their form quite significanly. If both teams had played to statistical form, Bolton would have slaughtered Rovers. Stats are good at telling a tale post-mortemly, but are quite inadequate (especially in football) to provide undeniable predictive power on a future outcome. Stats should only be taken as a guide.

Blackburn are away to Millwall on Saturday in the FA Cup. Statistically, there is little between both teams in regard to form. Stats-wise, it has the look of a draw, but I should expect Rovers to scrape a win without extra time, and that is what you want. Not just for the win, but for the turning into the wind to go forward in the right direction. The players need a win for their confidence, and Millwall should provide them with it.
Probably the best and most sensible post on here for ages...have a Carling!
some good points but if he goes to the new den on saturday he will have a long wait cos they dont play while SUNDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Elysiumfire[/bold] wrote: Stats may not lie, but how one interprets them can be problematic. Going into last night's game, Bolton had a far superior statistical form factor, but positionally in the league, quite within reach. I said Bolton would take the points, but they didn't do so based on statistical facts. Truth is, Blackburn played a more competitive game than they did last Saturday, still it was not enough. A lax in concentration allowed former Claret Eagles to swoop and snatch the 3 points! I know many of you might not agree with me (for whatever reason?), but Appleton is the RIGHT man, RIGHT now for Blackburn. Be patient with him, and he will steady the ship, and there are signs that he is doing so. Forget going for glories this season, you are not playing well enough, or consistently well enough, to merit them. He has joined a club that is at storm with itself with internal discord, but he can calm the waters around that which he has influence...the playing field. The schism between owners and fans is something that is out of his hands, but is highly influential upon his strategic gameplay and player confidence. Of course, a win is better than a draw, and a draw is better than a loss, so if the game's end is drawing near, and neither team look to be able to make the breakthrough, a draw is a far more satisfactory result than the eventual loss that came. It's all about perspective without prejudice. Statistically, Bolton underperformed, whereas Blackburn upped their form quite significanly. If both teams had played to statistical form, Bolton would have slaughtered Rovers. Stats are good at telling a tale post-mortemly, but are quite inadequate (especially in football) to provide undeniable predictive power on a future outcome. Stats should only be taken as a guide. Blackburn are away to Millwall on Saturday in the FA Cup. Statistically, there is little between both teams in regard to form. Stats-wise, it has the look of a draw, but I should expect Rovers to scrape a win without extra time, and that is what you want. Not just for the win, but for the turning into the wind to go forward in the right direction. The players need a win for their confidence, and Millwall should provide them with it.[/p][/quote]Probably the best and most sensible post on here for ages...have a Carling![/p][/quote]some good points but if he goes to the new den on saturday he will have a long wait cos they dont play while SUNDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! benal13
  • Score: 1

11:05am Wed 6 Mar 13

French Rover says...

johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.
Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.
[quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.[/p][/quote]Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic. French Rover
  • Score: 7

11:07am Wed 6 Mar 13

MattNewcastle says...

johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.
I agree with you.

I deliberately watched Appleton and Moore for most of the night and they were utterly useless. No animation whatsoever. Moore remained slouched in his seat with his beanie and puffa jacket on almost horizontal giving no feedback or advice to Appleton and Appleton just stood there with his hands in his pockets

The really interesting point at the end though was as the players were going off the pitch Moore and Appleton just stood there no acknowledgment to the players at all yet Appleton has come out and praised the players.

ONE MEMBER of the Rovers staff had a pat on the back and a quite word for every single player that went down the tunnel at the end.

No guesses as to who this was ...............

Appleton clearly has no people skills whatsoever and it would appear fails to inspire his players.

Appleton is not the manager to take this club forward in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. I deliberately watched Appleton and Moore for most of the night and they were utterly useless. No animation whatsoever. Moore remained slouched in his seat with his beanie and puffa jacket on almost horizontal giving no feedback or advice to Appleton and Appleton just stood there with his hands in his pockets The really interesting point at the end though was as the players were going off the pitch Moore and Appleton just stood there no acknowledgment to the players at all yet Appleton has come out and praised the players. ONE MEMBER of the Rovers staff had a pat on the back and a quite word for every single player that went down the tunnel at the end. No guesses as to who this was ............... Appleton clearly has no people skills whatsoever and it would appear fails to inspire his players. Appleton is not the manager to take this club forward in my opinion. MattNewcastle
  • Score: 0

11:08am Wed 6 Mar 13

French Rover says...

benal13 wrote:
French Rover wrote:
Elysiumfire wrote:
Stats may not lie, but how one interprets them can be problematic. Going into last night's game, Bolton had a far superior statistical form factor, but positionally in the league, quite within reach.

I said Bolton would take the points, but they didn't do so based on statistical facts. Truth is, Blackburn played a more competitive game than they did last Saturday, still it was not enough. A lax in concentration allowed former Claret Eagles to swoop and snatch the 3 points!

I know many of you might not agree with me (for whatever reason?), but Appleton is the RIGHT man, RIGHT now for Blackburn. Be patient with him, and he will steady the ship, and there are signs that he is doing so. Forget going for glories this season, you are not playing well enough, or consistently well enough, to merit them. He has joined a club that is at storm with itself with internal discord, but he can calm the waters around that which he has influence...the playing field. The schism between owners and fans is something that is out of his hands, but is highly influential upon his strategic gameplay and player confidence.

Of course, a win is better than a draw, and a draw is better than a loss, so if the game's end is drawing near, and neither team look to be able to make the breakthrough, a draw is a far more satisfactory result than the eventual loss that came. It's all about perspective without prejudice.

Statistically, Bolton underperformed, whereas Blackburn upped their form quite significanly. If both teams had played to statistical form, Bolton would have slaughtered Rovers. Stats are good at telling a tale post-mortemly, but are quite inadequate (especially in football) to provide undeniable predictive power on a future outcome. Stats should only be taken as a guide.

Blackburn are away to Millwall on Saturday in the FA Cup. Statistically, there is little between both teams in regard to form. Stats-wise, it has the look of a draw, but I should expect Rovers to scrape a win without extra time, and that is what you want. Not just for the win, but for the turning into the wind to go forward in the right direction. The players need a win for their confidence, and Millwall should provide them with it.
Probably the best and most sensible post on here for ages...have a Carling!
some good points but if he goes to the new den on saturday he will have a long wait cos they dont play while SUNDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!
that's a bit mean Benal13....I think he knew it was a sunday game really :-)

But did you know that suss that the winners of the Rovers Millwall game will stand a very good chance of playing in the Europe next season.

The three other ties should probably all be won by teams who will be in the top 6 of the Prem (Everton is the only questionable one):

Man Utd v Chelsea
Man City v Barnsley
Everton v Wigan

So with a wee bit of luck then the Rovers should be in the Europa Cup next season. Better get your passport up to date Mr. B..
[quote][p][bold]benal13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Elysiumfire[/bold] wrote: Stats may not lie, but how one interprets them can be problematic. Going into last night's game, Bolton had a far superior statistical form factor, but positionally in the league, quite within reach. I said Bolton would take the points, but they didn't do so based on statistical facts. Truth is, Blackburn played a more competitive game than they did last Saturday, still it was not enough. A lax in concentration allowed former Claret Eagles to swoop and snatch the 3 points! I know many of you might not agree with me (for whatever reason?), but Appleton is the RIGHT man, RIGHT now for Blackburn. Be patient with him, and he will steady the ship, and there are signs that he is doing so. Forget going for glories this season, you are not playing well enough, or consistently well enough, to merit them. He has joined a club that is at storm with itself with internal discord, but he can calm the waters around that which he has influence...the playing field. The schism between owners and fans is something that is out of his hands, but is highly influential upon his strategic gameplay and player confidence. Of course, a win is better than a draw, and a draw is better than a loss, so if the game's end is drawing near, and neither team look to be able to make the breakthrough, a draw is a far more satisfactory result than the eventual loss that came. It's all about perspective without prejudice. Statistically, Bolton underperformed, whereas Blackburn upped their form quite significanly. If both teams had played to statistical form, Bolton would have slaughtered Rovers. Stats are good at telling a tale post-mortemly, but are quite inadequate (especially in football) to provide undeniable predictive power on a future outcome. Stats should only be taken as a guide. Blackburn are away to Millwall on Saturday in the FA Cup. Statistically, there is little between both teams in regard to form. Stats-wise, it has the look of a draw, but I should expect Rovers to scrape a win without extra time, and that is what you want. Not just for the win, but for the turning into the wind to go forward in the right direction. The players need a win for their confidence, and Millwall should provide them with it.[/p][/quote]Probably the best and most sensible post on here for ages...have a Carling![/p][/quote]some good points but if he goes to the new den on saturday he will have a long wait cos they dont play while SUNDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!![/p][/quote]that's a bit mean Benal13....I think he knew it was a sunday game really :-) But did you know that suss that the winners of the Rovers Millwall game will stand a very good chance of playing in the Europe next season. The three other ties should probably all be won by teams who will be in the top 6 of the Prem (Everton is the only questionable one): Man Utd v Chelsea Man City v Barnsley Everton v Wigan So with a wee bit of luck then the Rovers should be in the Europa Cup next season. Better get your passport up to date Mr. B.. French Rover
  • Score: 3

11:10am Wed 6 Mar 13

johnny rover says...

gleechy wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
english rose 1 wrote:
Unfortunately you are deluded johnny rover. The ONLY game we deserved to win under Kean was Bristol C (A).
*
His buys, apart from Rhodes & Yakubu were dreadful. His statements bizarre, his attitude terrible, and a proven speaker of untruths not to mention his criminal conviction. And he alienated most of our better players, prompting them to leave.
*
Remember his comments about how teams would be 'afraid' of our teamsheet ? What a load of bull.
*
The fact is that Kean left us in a dreadful state. Appleton needs time to form a competitive squad, - and that won't be this season.
*
The stats show that Kean and his "dreadful buys" was likely to get us up to the premier league. And Bowyer, and possibly Black. I don't care how lucky he was with his results or how poor his attitude was, I would prefer to be in that position than where we are now - heading for a relegation battle (maybe not even a battle, could be a nosedive). I'd give Appleton one last chance against Milwall in the cup. If we lose that, get shot of him and put GB back in charge until the end of the season. And what kind of attitude is it to give a half-time team talk at Leicester saying "go out and make sure you don't lose by 4 or 5"!
Please go to specsavers. The stats show us what we already knew, Kean was not a Premier Manager, and was happy to lie his way through a season or two and relied on idiots to back up his meaningless appraisals of his game.

If Rovers won a game with Kean in charge the look of dissbelief was all around as it was more likely to of been a **** good fluke, and the other team falling over itself that gave us the win.

If you truely believe Kean was the Man, you have not been around football very long, perhaps you have not been around very long, but it is a shallow ill thought out statement, and couldn't be further from the truth.
Try reading what I actually wrote before criticising me for my eyesight or mental health (all perfectly OK) on the basis of something that I didn't write - Inever said Kean was the right man for the job.
[quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately you are deluded johnny rover. The ONLY game we deserved to win under Kean was Bristol C (A). * His buys, apart from Rhodes & Yakubu were dreadful. His statements bizarre, his attitude terrible, and a proven speaker of untruths not to mention his criminal conviction. And he alienated most of our better players, prompting them to leave. * Remember his comments about how teams would be 'afraid' of our teamsheet ? What a load of bull. * The fact is that Kean left us in a dreadful state. Appleton needs time to form a competitive squad, - and that won't be this season. *[/p][/quote]The stats show that Kean and his "dreadful buys" was likely to get us up to the premier league. And Bowyer, and possibly Black. I don't care how lucky he was with his results or how poor his attitude was, I would prefer to be in that position than where we are now - heading for a relegation battle (maybe not even a battle, could be a nosedive). I'd give Appleton one last chance against Milwall in the cup. If we lose that, get shot of him and put GB back in charge until the end of the season. And what kind of attitude is it to give a half-time team talk at Leicester saying "go out and make sure you don't lose by 4 or 5"![/p][/quote]Please go to specsavers. The stats show us what we already knew, Kean was not a Premier Manager, and was happy to lie his way through a season or two and relied on idiots to back up his meaningless appraisals of his game. If Rovers won a game with Kean in charge the look of dissbelief was all around as it was more likely to of been a **** good fluke, and the other team falling over itself that gave us the win. If you truely believe Kean was the Man, you have not been around football very long, perhaps you have not been around very long, but it is a shallow ill thought out statement, and couldn't be further from the truth.[/p][/quote]Try reading what I actually wrote before criticising me for my eyesight or mental health (all perfectly OK) on the basis of something that I didn't write - Inever said Kean was the right man for the job. johnny rover
  • Score: -2

11:11am Wed 6 Mar 13

keithnewton2 says...

Time to get real.

From being an overperforming well run top 10 Premier League club we are now an inconsistent mid to bottom Championship team with no chance of promotion - relegation more like!

Disgraceful ruination of a once proud successful club. Venkys and everyone else involved - you know who you are - be ashamed.
Time to get real. From being an overperforming well run top 10 Premier League club we are now an inconsistent mid to bottom Championship team with no chance of promotion - relegation more like! Disgraceful ruination of a once proud successful club. Venkys and everyone else involved - you know who you are - be ashamed. keithnewton2
  • Score: 5

11:16am Wed 6 Mar 13

Roverthere says...

French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.
Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.
A raving looney, or a Burnley fan! Probably both!
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.[/p][/quote]Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.[/p][/quote]A raving looney, or a Burnley fan! Probably both! Roverthere
  • Score: -2

11:18am Wed 6 Mar 13

Gammon Flap says...

I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday. You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving. You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves). Disgraceful. Gammon Flap
  • Score: -5

11:25am Wed 6 Mar 13

jackmetickler says...

Roverthere wrote:
French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.
Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.
A raving looney, or a Burnley fan! Probably both!
a raving looney OR a Burnley fan!!!!

Is there a difference?
[quote][p][bold]Roverthere[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.[/p][/quote]Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.[/p][/quote]A raving looney, or a Burnley fan! Probably both![/p][/quote]a raving looney OR a Burnley fan!!!! Is there a difference? jackmetickler
  • Score: 2

11:29am Wed 6 Mar 13

Crow27 says...

some media still reporting that we are finally out the Play-Off race. Yes we are, we are closer to relagation than the Play-Offs.
MA is a great talker and I like him for his honesty but check his stats out and this is the Football manager we have, its not great reading. BRFC is a rebuild process but i would like someone else to rebuild.
Personally, I would remove him asap and put GB in charge until end of season and get an experienced manager who can inspire the likes of Rhodes etc. to stay 1 more year and hopefully go up! If we stay up!
some media still reporting that we are finally out the Play-Off race. Yes we are, we are closer to relagation than the Play-Offs. MA is a great talker and I like him for his honesty but check his stats out and this is the Football manager we have, its not great reading. BRFC is a rebuild process but i would like someone else to rebuild. Personally, I would remove him asap and put GB in charge until end of season and get an experienced manager who can inspire the likes of Rhodes etc. to stay 1 more year and hopefully go up! If we stay up! Crow27
  • Score: 1

11:30am Wed 6 Mar 13

Harwoodstblue says...

jackmetickler wrote:
Roverthere wrote:
French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.
Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.
A raving looney, or a Burnley fan! Probably both!
a raving looney OR a Burnley fan!!!!

Is there a difference?
No not at all. You only need to look at Fanny Tickler, Gammon Flap and Glentoran. The three drooling stooges in flat caps and beards.
[quote][p][bold]jackmetickler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roverthere[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.[/p][/quote]Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.[/p][/quote]A raving looney, or a Burnley fan! Probably both![/p][/quote]a raving looney OR a Burnley fan!!!! Is there a difference?[/p][/quote]No not at all. You only need to look at Fanny Tickler, Gammon Flap and Glentoran. The three drooling stooges in flat caps and beards. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 1

11:40am Wed 6 Mar 13

Gammon Flap says...

Harwoodstblue wrote:
jackmetickler wrote:
Roverthere wrote:
French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.
Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.
A raving looney, or a Burnley fan! Probably both!
a raving looney OR a Burnley fan!!!!

Is there a difference?
No not at all. You only need to look at Fanny Tickler, Gammon Flap and Glentoran. The three drooling stooges in flat caps and beards.
Decided against commenting on your 'fans' disgraceful behaviour last night then - probably just as well, you have already embarrassed yourself on here.
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jackmetickler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roverthere[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.[/p][/quote]Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.[/p][/quote]A raving looney, or a Burnley fan! Probably both![/p][/quote]a raving looney OR a Burnley fan!!!! Is there a difference?[/p][/quote]No not at all. You only need to look at Fanny Tickler, Gammon Flap and Glentoran. The three drooling stooges in flat caps and beards.[/p][/quote]Decided against commenting on your 'fans' disgraceful behaviour last night then - probably just as well, you have already embarrassed yourself on here. Gammon Flap
  • Score: -1

11:42am Wed 6 Mar 13

fanny.tickler. says...

Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.
Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.
[quote][p][bold]Gammon Flap[/bold] wrote: I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday. You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving. You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves). Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful. fanny.tickler.
  • Score: -1

11:43am Wed 6 Mar 13

johnny rover says...

French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.
Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.
Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season.

You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built.

As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.[/p][/quote]Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.[/p][/quote]Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season. You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built. As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs? johnny rover
  • Score: -1

11:45am Wed 6 Mar 13

johnny rover says...

fanny.tickler. wrote:
Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.
Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.
On another matter entirely to my stats posts - is this alleged misbehaviour of Rovers' fans true? I was there last night and saw no misbehaviour - just really positive support throughout. Which is not to say that it didn't occur, just that I want to know the facts. These are serious allegations.
[quote][p][bold]fanny.tickler.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gammon Flap[/bold] wrote: I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday. You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving. You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves). Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]On another matter entirely to my stats posts - is this alleged misbehaviour of Rovers' fans true? I was there last night and saw no misbehaviour - just really positive support throughout. Which is not to say that it didn't occur, just that I want to know the facts. These are serious allegations. johnny rover
  • Score: 1

12:07pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Harwoodstblue says...

johnny rover wrote:
fanny.tickler. wrote:
Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.
Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.
On another matter entirely to my stats posts - is this alleged misbehaviour of Rovers' fans true? I was there last night and saw no misbehaviour - just really positive support throughout. Which is not to say that it didn't occur, just that I want to know the facts. These are serious allegations.
He can't present you with any 'Facts' because it's only heresay. More Dingle claptrap.
[quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fanny.tickler.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gammon Flap[/bold] wrote: I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday. You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving. You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves). Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]On another matter entirely to my stats posts - is this alleged misbehaviour of Rovers' fans true? I was there last night and saw no misbehaviour - just really positive support throughout. Which is not to say that it didn't occur, just that I want to know the facts. These are serious allegations.[/p][/quote]He can't present you with any 'Facts' because it's only heresay. More Dingle claptrap. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 3

12:16pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Gammon Flap says...

johnny rover wrote:
fanny.tickler. wrote:
Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.
Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.
On another matter entirely to my stats posts - is this alleged misbehaviour of Rovers' fans true? I was there last night and saw no misbehaviour - just really positive support throughout. Which is not to say that it didn't occur, just that I want to know the facts. These are serious allegations.
It definitely happened, has been confirmed on all Bolton websites and also by a Bolton fan at my work that went last night.

Quote from Bolton Mad below:

'The horseplay between the two sets of fans is usually innocent enough - was disappointed tonight by the group of 100 or so Blackburn fans singing vile songs about Muamba as they entered the ground.'

Shocking
[quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fanny.tickler.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gammon Flap[/bold] wrote: I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday. You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving. You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves). Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]On another matter entirely to my stats posts - is this alleged misbehaviour of Rovers' fans true? I was there last night and saw no misbehaviour - just really positive support throughout. Which is not to say that it didn't occur, just that I want to know the facts. These are serious allegations.[/p][/quote]It definitely happened, has been confirmed on all Bolton websites and also by a Bolton fan at my work that went last night. Quote from Bolton Mad below: 'The horseplay between the two sets of fans is usually innocent enough - was disappointed tonight by the group of 100 or so Blackburn fans singing vile songs about Muamba as they entered the ground.' Shocking Gammon Flap
  • Score: 0

12:22pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Venk Off says...

Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday. You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving. You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves). Disgraceful.
Gammon Flap
Get your facts right . Both sets of fans were ripping seats up and throwing them . It was Bolton fans who abused a Rovers fan by calling him a Black Jimmy Saville .
As I said both sets were to blame . Unfortunately my wife was hit by a full can of coke thrown from the Bolton fans and this has been reported to the police . Evidently the same happened when Burnley were there earlier this season and a local Vicar complained in the Burnely Express .
Erm lets look at the facts 2 local games and 2 lots of 80's behaviour ( your words ) and what is the common element - oh yes Bolton fans !
[quote][p][bold]Gammon Flap[/bold] wrote: I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday. You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving. You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves). Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Gammon Flap Get your facts right . Both sets of fans were ripping seats up and throwing them . It was Bolton fans who abused a Rovers fan by calling him a Black Jimmy Saville . As I said both sets were to blame . Unfortunately my wife was hit by a full can of coke thrown from the Bolton fans and this has been reported to the police . Evidently the same happened when Burnley were there earlier this season and a local Vicar complained in the Burnely Express . Erm lets look at the facts 2 local games and 2 lots of 80's behaviour ( your words ) and what is the common element - oh yes Bolton fans ! Venk Off
  • Score: 2

12:27pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Harwoodstblue says...

Gammon Flap wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
fanny.tickler. wrote:
Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.
Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.
On another matter entirely to my stats posts - is this alleged misbehaviour of Rovers' fans true? I was there last night and saw no misbehaviour - just really positive support throughout. Which is not to say that it didn't occur, just that I want to know the facts. These are serious allegations.
It definitely happened, has been confirmed on all Bolton websites and also by a Bolton fan at my work that went last night.

Quote from Bolton Mad below:

'The horseplay between the two sets of fans is usually innocent enough - was disappointed tonight by the group of 100 or so Blackburn fans singing vile songs about Muamba as they entered the ground.'

Shocking
Wrong....As the 'Alleged incident' was supposed to have happened at the 'end' of the game.
Anyhow, I'd appreciate a link to these 'alleged comments' on these 'alleged' websites so that we can all have a look.

More desperate Dingle claptrap and lies from the trogs down the road.
[quote][p][bold]Gammon Flap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fanny.tickler.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gammon Flap[/bold] wrote: I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday. You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving. You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves). Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]On another matter entirely to my stats posts - is this alleged misbehaviour of Rovers' fans true? I was there last night and saw no misbehaviour - just really positive support throughout. Which is not to say that it didn't occur, just that I want to know the facts. These are serious allegations.[/p][/quote]It definitely happened, has been confirmed on all Bolton websites and also by a Bolton fan at my work that went last night. Quote from Bolton Mad below: 'The horseplay between the two sets of fans is usually innocent enough - was disappointed tonight by the group of 100 or so Blackburn fans singing vile songs about Muamba as they entered the ground.' Shocking[/p][/quote]Wrong....As the 'Alleged incident' was supposed to have happened at the 'end' of the game. Anyhow, I'd appreciate a link to these 'alleged comments' on these 'alleged' websites so that we can all have a look. More desperate Dingle claptrap and lies from the trogs down the road. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 1

12:41pm Wed 6 Mar 13

benal13 says...

French Rover wrote:
benal13 wrote:
French Rover wrote:
Elysiumfire wrote:
Stats may not lie, but how one interprets them can be problematic. Going into last night's game, Bolton had a far superior statistical form factor, but positionally in the league, quite within reach.

I said Bolton would take the points, but they didn't do so based on statistical facts. Truth is, Blackburn played a more competitive game than they did last Saturday, still it was not enough. A lax in concentration allowed former Claret Eagles to swoop and snatch the 3 points!

I know many of you might not agree with me (for whatever reason?), but Appleton is the RIGHT man, RIGHT now for Blackburn. Be patient with him, and he will steady the ship, and there are signs that he is doing so. Forget going for glories this season, you are not playing well enough, or consistently well enough, to merit them. He has joined a club that is at storm with itself with internal discord, but he can calm the waters around that which he has influence...the playing field. The schism between owners and fans is something that is out of his hands, but is highly influential upon his strategic gameplay and player confidence.

Of course, a win is better than a draw, and a draw is better than a loss, so if the game's end is drawing near, and neither team look to be able to make the breakthrough, a draw is a far more satisfactory result than the eventual loss that came. It's all about perspective without prejudice.

Statistically, Bolton underperformed, whereas Blackburn upped their form quite significanly. If both teams had played to statistical form, Bolton would have slaughtered Rovers. Stats are good at telling a tale post-mortemly, but are quite inadequate (especially in football) to provide undeniable predictive power on a future outcome. Stats should only be taken as a guide.

Blackburn are away to Millwall on Saturday in the FA Cup. Statistically, there is little between both teams in regard to form. Stats-wise, it has the look of a draw, but I should expect Rovers to scrape a win without extra time, and that is what you want. Not just for the win, but for the turning into the wind to go forward in the right direction. The players need a win for their confidence, and Millwall should provide them with it.
Probably the best and most sensible post on here for ages...have a Carling!
some good points but if he goes to the new den on saturday he will have a long wait cos they dont play while SUNDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!!!!
that's a bit mean Benal13....I think he knew it was a sunday game really :-)

But did you know that suss that the winners of the Rovers Millwall game will stand a very good chance of playing in the Europe next season.

The three other ties should probably all be won by teams who will be in the top 6 of the Prem (Everton is the only questionable one):

Man Utd v Chelsea
Man City v Barnsley
Everton v Wigan

So with a wee bit of luck then the Rovers should be in the Europa Cup next season. Better get your passport up to date Mr. B..
you learn somehing new every day frenchy, i can just see it now MA saying europe was a distraction thats why we didnt go up next season or am i being unfair !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
????????????? lololololololololo
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benal13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Elysiumfire[/bold] wrote: Stats may not lie, but how one interprets them can be problematic. Going into last night's game, Bolton had a far superior statistical form factor, but positionally in the league, quite within reach. I said Bolton would take the points, but they didn't do so based on statistical facts. Truth is, Blackburn played a more competitive game than they did last Saturday, still it was not enough. A lax in concentration allowed former Claret Eagles to swoop and snatch the 3 points! I know many of you might not agree with me (for whatever reason?), but Appleton is the RIGHT man, RIGHT now for Blackburn. Be patient with him, and he will steady the ship, and there are signs that he is doing so. Forget going for glories this season, you are not playing well enough, or consistently well enough, to merit them. He has joined a club that is at storm with itself with internal discord, but he can calm the waters around that which he has influence...the playing field. The schism between owners and fans is something that is out of his hands, but is highly influential upon his strategic gameplay and player confidence. Of course, a win is better than a draw, and a draw is better than a loss, so if the game's end is drawing near, and neither team look to be able to make the breakthrough, a draw is a far more satisfactory result than the eventual loss that came. It's all about perspective without prejudice. Statistically, Bolton underperformed, whereas Blackburn upped their form quite significanly. If both teams had played to statistical form, Bolton would have slaughtered Rovers. Stats are good at telling a tale post-mortemly, but are quite inadequate (especially in football) to provide undeniable predictive power on a future outcome. Stats should only be taken as a guide. Blackburn are away to Millwall on Saturday in the FA Cup. Statistically, there is little between both teams in regard to form. Stats-wise, it has the look of a draw, but I should expect Rovers to scrape a win without extra time, and that is what you want. Not just for the win, but for the turning into the wind to go forward in the right direction. The players need a win for their confidence, and Millwall should provide them with it.[/p][/quote]Probably the best and most sensible post on here for ages...have a Carling![/p][/quote]some good points but if he goes to the new den on saturday he will have a long wait cos they dont play while SUNDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!![/p][/quote]that's a bit mean Benal13....I think he knew it was a sunday game really :-) But did you know that suss that the winners of the Rovers Millwall game will stand a very good chance of playing in the Europe next season. The three other ties should probably all be won by teams who will be in the top 6 of the Prem (Everton is the only questionable one): Man Utd v Chelsea Man City v Barnsley Everton v Wigan So with a wee bit of luck then the Rovers should be in the Europa Cup next season. Better get your passport up to date Mr. B..[/p][/quote]you learn somehing new every day frenchy, i can just see it now MA saying europe was a distraction thats why we didnt go up next season or am i being unfair !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ????????????? lololololololololo benal13
  • Score: 2

12:58pm Wed 6 Mar 13

GameRoverMan says...

I don't want to be negative but one point from the last five games is relegation form. In those 5 games we have only scored 2 goals and both of those in the same game against a team in the bottom 3. We are now 11 points behind a play off place but only 7 in front of a relegation place having played a game more.

It's time to stop making excuses and praising a team that lost again. Results are what is needed between now and the end of the season starting with a win at Millwall and a victory against the dingles.
I don't want to be negative but one point from the last five games is relegation form. In those 5 games we have only scored 2 goals and both of those in the same game against a team in the bottom 3. We are now 11 points behind a play off place but only 7 in front of a relegation place having played a game more. It's time to stop making excuses and praising a team that lost again. Results are what is needed between now and the end of the season starting with a win at Millwall and a victory against the dingles. GameRoverMan
  • Score: 2

1:01pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Gammon Flap says...

Harwoodstblue wrote:
Gammon Flap wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
fanny.tickler. wrote:
Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.
Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.
On another matter entirely to my stats posts - is this alleged misbehaviour of Rovers' fans true? I was there last night and saw no misbehaviour - just really positive support throughout. Which is not to say that it didn't occur, just that I want to know the facts. These are serious allegations.
It definitely happened, has been confirmed on all Bolton websites and also by a Bolton fan at my work that went last night.

Quote from Bolton Mad below:

'The horseplay between the two sets of fans is usually innocent enough - was disappointed tonight by the group of 100 or so Blackburn fans singing vile songs about Muamba as they entered the ground.'

Shocking
Wrong....As the 'Alleged incident' was supposed to have happened at the 'end' of the game.
Anyhow, I'd appreciate a link to these 'alleged comments' on these 'alleged' websites so that we can all have a look.

More desperate Dingle claptrap and lies from the trogs down the road.
Link for you harwoodstblue.

Of course you will still deny it's true:

http://boards.footym
ad.net/forum.php?tno
=80&fid=54&sty=2&act
=1&mid=2113116200
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gammon Flap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fanny.tickler.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gammon Flap[/bold] wrote: I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday. You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving. You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves). Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]On another matter entirely to my stats posts - is this alleged misbehaviour of Rovers' fans true? I was there last night and saw no misbehaviour - just really positive support throughout. Which is not to say that it didn't occur, just that I want to know the facts. These are serious allegations.[/p][/quote]It definitely happened, has been confirmed on all Bolton websites and also by a Bolton fan at my work that went last night. Quote from Bolton Mad below: 'The horseplay between the two sets of fans is usually innocent enough - was disappointed tonight by the group of 100 or so Blackburn fans singing vile songs about Muamba as they entered the ground.' Shocking[/p][/quote]Wrong....As the 'Alleged incident' was supposed to have happened at the 'end' of the game. Anyhow, I'd appreciate a link to these 'alleged comments' on these 'alleged' websites so that we can all have a look. More desperate Dingle claptrap and lies from the trogs down the road.[/p][/quote]Link for you harwoodstblue. Of course you will still deny it's true: http://boards.footym ad.net/forum.php?tno =80&fid=54&sty=2&act =1&mid=2113116200 Gammon Flap
  • Score: 0

1:42pm Wed 6 Mar 13

French Rover says...

johnny rover wrote:
French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.
Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.
Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season.

You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built.

As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?
It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-)

BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle.
[quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.[/p][/quote]Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.[/p][/quote]Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season. You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built. As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?[/p][/quote]It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-) BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle. French Rover
  • Score: 1

1:58pm Wed 6 Mar 13

fanny.tickler. says...

French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.
Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.
Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season.

You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built.

As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?
It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-)

BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle.
The last time I went to Blackburn the only thing I got was a nasty rash. Filthy disease ridden cesspit of a town.
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.[/p][/quote]Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.[/p][/quote]Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season. You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built. As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?[/p][/quote]It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-) BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle.[/p][/quote]The last time I went to Blackburn the only thing I got was a nasty rash. Filthy disease ridden cesspit of a town. fanny.tickler.
  • Score: -3

2:08pm Wed 6 Mar 13

benal13 says...

fanny.tickler. wrote:
Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.
Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.
do you know euthanasis is legal in switzerland go and do us all a favour knob head and take your mate with you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!
[quote][p][bold]fanny.tickler.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gammon Flap[/bold] wrote: I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday. You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving. You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves). Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]do you know euthanasis is legal in switzerland go and do us all a favour knob head and take your mate with you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! benal13
  • Score: 2

2:27pm Wed 6 Mar 13

French Rover says...

fanny.tickler. wrote:
French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.
Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.
Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season.

You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built.

As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?
It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-)

BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle.
The last time I went to Blackburn the only thing I got was a nasty rash. Filthy disease ridden cesspit of a town.
yeah maybe - but its what we call home.

BTW - If our lovely town gave you a nasty rash well we are really very sorry -
that you recovered
[quote][p][bold]fanny.tickler.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.[/p][/quote]Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.[/p][/quote]Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season. You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built. As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?[/p][/quote]It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-) BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle.[/p][/quote]The last time I went to Blackburn the only thing I got was a nasty rash. Filthy disease ridden cesspit of a town.[/p][/quote]yeah maybe - but its what we call home. BTW - If our lovely town gave you a nasty rash well we are really very sorry - that you recovered French Rover
  • Score: 2

2:37pm Wed 6 Mar 13

gleechy says...

johnny rover wrote:
gleechy wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
english rose 1 wrote:
Unfortunately you are deluded johnny rover. The ONLY game we deserved to win under Kean was Bristol C (A).
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His buys, apart from Rhodes & Yakubu were dreadful. His statements bizarre, his attitude terrible, and a proven speaker of untruths not to mention his criminal conviction. And he alienated most of our better players, prompting them to leave.
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Remember his comments about how teams would be 'afraid' of our teamsheet ? What a load of bull.
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The fact is that Kean left us in a dreadful state. Appleton needs time to form a competitive squad, - and that won't be this season.
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The stats show that Kean and his "dreadful buys" was likely to get us up to the premier league. And Bowyer, and possibly Black. I don't care how lucky he was with his results or how poor his attitude was, I would prefer to be in that position than where we are now - heading for a relegation battle (maybe not even a battle, could be a nosedive). I'd give Appleton one last chance against Milwall in the cup. If we lose that, get shot of him and put GB back in charge until the end of the season. And what kind of attitude is it to give a half-time team talk at Leicester saying "go out and make sure you don't lose by 4 or 5"!
Please go to specsavers. The stats show us what we already knew, Kean was not a Premier Manager, and was happy to lie his way through a season or two and relied on idiots to back up his meaningless appraisals of his game.

If Rovers won a game with Kean in charge the look of dissbelief was all around as it was more likely to of been a **** good fluke, and the other team falling over itself that gave us the win.

If you truely believe Kean was the Man, you have not been around football very long, perhaps you have not been around very long, but it is a shallow ill thought out statement, and couldn't be further from the truth.
Try reading what I actually wrote before criticising me for my eyesight or mental health (all perfectly OK) on the basis of something that I didn't write - Inever said Kean was the right man for the job.
When your mate Kean bundled his way into the Rover's Managers job after a so called trial, that was the end of any remote chance the fans had of truthfulness coming from the inside.

Players were made to look awkward, great players at that, and some never recovered.

As a fan the least you want is honesty from your club, Kean was anything but, so the further away from us the better, I don't care what twisted statistics you can conjure up to suit your stance.

History tells us when we look back what we, well most of us expected, the club was used as a practice tool for dumb and when Shebby came dumber.
[quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gleechy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]english rose 1[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately you are deluded johnny rover. The ONLY game we deserved to win under Kean was Bristol C (A). * His buys, apart from Rhodes & Yakubu were dreadful. His statements bizarre, his attitude terrible, and a proven speaker of untruths not to mention his criminal conviction. And he alienated most of our better players, prompting them to leave. * Remember his comments about how teams would be 'afraid' of our teamsheet ? What a load of bull. * The fact is that Kean left us in a dreadful state. Appleton needs time to form a competitive squad, - and that won't be this season. *[/p][/quote]The stats show that Kean and his "dreadful buys" was likely to get us up to the premier league. And Bowyer, and possibly Black. I don't care how lucky he was with his results or how poor his attitude was, I would prefer to be in that position than where we are now - heading for a relegation battle (maybe not even a battle, could be a nosedive). I'd give Appleton one last chance against Milwall in the cup. If we lose that, get shot of him and put GB back in charge until the end of the season. And what kind of attitude is it to give a half-time team talk at Leicester saying "go out and make sure you don't lose by 4 or 5"![/p][/quote]Please go to specsavers. The stats show us what we already knew, Kean was not a Premier Manager, and was happy to lie his way through a season or two and relied on idiots to back up his meaningless appraisals of his game. If Rovers won a game with Kean in charge the look of dissbelief was all around as it was more likely to of been a **** good fluke, and the other team falling over itself that gave us the win. If you truely believe Kean was the Man, you have not been around football very long, perhaps you have not been around very long, but it is a shallow ill thought out statement, and couldn't be further from the truth.[/p][/quote]Try reading what I actually wrote before criticising me for my eyesight or mental health (all perfectly OK) on the basis of something that I didn't write - Inever said Kean was the right man for the job.[/p][/quote]When your mate Kean bundled his way into the Rover's Managers job after a so called trial, that was the end of any remote chance the fans had of truthfulness coming from the inside. Players were made to look awkward, great players at that, and some never recovered. As a fan the least you want is honesty from your club, Kean was anything but, so the further away from us the better, I don't care what twisted statistics you can conjure up to suit your stance. History tells us when we look back what we, well most of us expected, the club was used as a practice tool for dumb and when Shebby came dumber. gleechy
  • Score: 2

2:46pm Wed 6 Mar 13

blazerafe says...

All i have said is that the stats prove we were worse, just like at most games we have played this season we have just got lucky, like at Arsenal. Appleton has today stated that Murphy is still a key member of the team even though the only thing he is fit for is to be put down. That is certainly not a good sign of a manager, noting that the fans hate him and still telling them he will get to play game in game out when clearly he is one of the major problems with the squad.

As for give it time, rebuild and such it was this year or bust, Venkys have been seen to take as much money out of the club as possible, not getting promoted will net them with a small parachute payment and overall a loss of about 20 million when it comes to TV rights and with out wage budget as it is, does anybody realistically expect them to put money back into the club after it fails because its a stupid expectation and it will not happen. The only money they have put back into the club is money used from the sales of players, and since the majority of the team is now worthless it will be our better players that go and then we are still left with the crap. So expect Olsson, Rhodes, Dann, Hanley, Kean to go and expect to be stuck with Etuhu, Murphy, Lowe and the likes. They didnt say we have to get Promoted for nothing.
All i have said is that the stats prove we were worse, just like at most games we have played this season we have just got lucky, like at Arsenal. Appleton has today stated that Murphy is still a key member of the team even though the only thing he is fit for is to be put down. That is certainly not a good sign of a manager, noting that the fans hate him and still telling them he will get to play game in game out when clearly he is one of the major problems with the squad. As for give it time, rebuild and such it was this year or bust, Venkys have been seen to take as much money out of the club as possible, not getting promoted will net them with a small parachute payment and overall a loss of about 20 million when it comes to TV rights and with out wage budget as it is, does anybody realistically expect them to put money back into the club after it fails because its a stupid expectation and it will not happen. The only money they have put back into the club is money used from the sales of players, and since the majority of the team is now worthless it will be our better players that go and then we are still left with the crap. So expect Olsson, Rhodes, Dann, Hanley, Kean to go and expect to be stuck with Etuhu, Murphy, Lowe and the likes. They didnt say we have to get Promoted for nothing. blazerafe
  • Score: 1

2:48pm Wed 6 Mar 13

god Im bored says...

It really does not matter who the manager of BRFC is, you could have Mourinho, Ferguson, Mancini, Guardiola, Wenger etc etc all on the touch-line, the fact is that the players are not good enough.......the end!!
It is the players fault not the manager!
It really does not matter who the manager of BRFC is, you could have Mourinho, Ferguson, Mancini, Guardiola, Wenger etc etc all on the touch-line, the fact is that the players are not good enough.......the end!! It is the players fault not the manager! god Im bored
  • Score: 0

2:51pm Wed 6 Mar 13

vicn1956 says...

As we were leaving the ground my son said- "MA's comments tomorrow will be interesting- bet he says they were great."
At best it was a workmanlike performance. They almost held out against a very poor Bolton side.To say they are going for promotion shows the standard ot teams in this division.
Rhodes is wasted. No crosses or few through balls for him. Just long hoofball punts somewhere near and often nowhere near him. Starved!
Where was our creative flair/artistry? Rhodes had 1 one on one. Our only other chances came from set pieces.
Is this the entertaining football venkys wanted? That they tore the club apart for? They are still clueless.If we lose at Millwall will they sack MA?
There is so much to do in the Summer. Is MA and the club able to bring in the right players for a promotion push next season?
10,000 lost to the club. I feel it will be more if things stay the same.
Have the thug stewards in the Darwen End gone?
As we were leaving the ground my son said- "MA's comments tomorrow will be interesting- bet he says they were great." At best it was a workmanlike performance. They almost held out against a very poor Bolton side.To say they are going for promotion shows the standard ot teams in this division. Rhodes is wasted. No crosses or few through balls for him. Just long hoofball punts somewhere near and often nowhere near him. Starved! Where was our creative flair/artistry? Rhodes had 1 one on one. Our only other chances came from set pieces. Is this the entertaining football venkys wanted? That they tore the club apart for? They are still clueless.If we lose at Millwall will they sack MA? There is so much to do in the Summer. Is MA and the club able to bring in the right players for a promotion push next season? 10,000 lost to the club. I feel it will be more if things stay the same. Have the thug stewards in the Darwen End gone? vicn1956
  • Score: 2

2:56pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Sherwoodforest says...

Gammon Flap wrote:
Harwoodstblue wrote:
jackmetickler wrote:
Roverthere wrote:
French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.
Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.
A raving looney, or a Burnley fan! Probably both!
a raving looney OR a Burnley fan!!!!

Is there a difference?
No not at all. You only need to look at Fanny Tickler, Gammon Flap and Glentoran. The three drooling stooges in flat caps and beards.
Decided against commenting on your 'fans' disgraceful behaviour last night then - probably just as well, you have already embarrassed yourself on here.
I was there and there was no chanting about Muamba whatsoever, quite the opposite tbh, all the folk near and including me stood up and applauded him.

This is the problem with today's social media platforms, rumours spread like bush fires by keyboard warriors.

We gave a performance of much graft, but very little craft. We hit the bar twice and were very unlucky to concede as we had been on top between the 65 and 85 minute mark.
[quote][p][bold]Gammon Flap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jackmetickler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roverthere[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.[/p][/quote]Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.[/p][/quote]A raving looney, or a Burnley fan! Probably both![/p][/quote]a raving looney OR a Burnley fan!!!! Is there a difference?[/p][/quote]No not at all. You only need to look at Fanny Tickler, Gammon Flap and Glentoran. The three drooling stooges in flat caps and beards.[/p][/quote]Decided against commenting on your 'fans' disgraceful behaviour last night then - probably just as well, you have already embarrassed yourself on here.[/p][/quote]I was there and there was no chanting about Muamba whatsoever, quite the opposite tbh, all the folk near and including me stood up and applauded him. This is the problem with today's social media platforms, rumours spread like bush fires by keyboard warriors. We gave a performance of much graft, but very little craft. We hit the bar twice and were very unlucky to concede as we had been on top between the 65 and 85 minute mark. Sherwoodforest
  • Score: 1

3:24pm Wed 6 Mar 13

noddymcleod says...

We are nearer relegation than promotion.
Fact, statistic whatever you wish to call it. Apple has had time to have had some influence, indeed he brags that the team is now in the same character as he himself.
Boring, unimaginative, holding on for a draw against just the kind of team we need to beat to rise up the table.
Apple will prove his really useful qualities for which he was hired when Venkys wind up the Rovers at the end of the season using his experience from Pompey.
Does anyone out there really believe that in an ideal situation where the venkys go, where we are still hopefully in this division and we have new owners, tha Apple is the man to take us back to the Premiership ? As the grand bairns say "get real"
We are nearer relegation than promotion. Fact, statistic whatever you wish to call it. Apple has had time to have had some influence, indeed he brags that the team is now in the same character as he himself. Boring, unimaginative, holding on for a draw against just the kind of team we need to beat to rise up the table. Apple will prove his really useful qualities for which he was hired when Venkys wind up the Rovers at the end of the season using his experience from Pompey. Does anyone out there really believe that in an ideal situation where the venkys go, where we are still hopefully in this division and we have new owners, tha Apple is the man to take us back to the Premiership ? As the grand bairns say "get real" noddymcleod
  • Score: 1

3:26pm Wed 6 Mar 13

handyamBRFC says...

hello all...!
Do you think its easy to attract players to BRFC..???
In my opionion...

Clubs tend to want to keep their best players and if selling will place a massive transfer fee which is usually astronomical even for a **** player...!

clubs tend seldom to sell to other championship sides...! unless its for loads of money...5M - 8M...!

strong established managers with reputations are more likely to attract good players...!

MA can only hope to attract lessor attractive players to BRFC as hes got No chance with established players.!

It is clear, That MA connections are with WBA and portsmouth and not any good players to be had with either..!

One player who is good was the Peterborogh player who's gone to Hull.
thats the winger we should have gone for..! George boyd to feed our striker which is def lacking...!!!

instead we had no option but to have the player (leftovers) who's place hes taken at hull...!!
hello all...! Do you think its easy to attract players to BRFC..??? In my opionion... Clubs tend to want to keep their best players and if selling will place a massive transfer fee which is usually astronomical even for a **** player...! clubs tend seldom to sell to other championship sides...! unless its for loads of money...5M - 8M...! strong established managers with reputations are more likely to attract good players...! MA can only hope to attract lessor attractive players to BRFC as hes got No chance with established players.! It is clear, That MA connections are with WBA and portsmouth and not any good players to be had with either..! One player who is good was the Peterborogh player who's gone to Hull. thats the winger we should have gone for..! George boyd to feed our striker which is def lacking...!!! instead we had no option but to have the player (leftovers) who's place hes taken at hull...!! handyamBRFC
  • Score: 1

3:32pm Wed 6 Mar 13

intothevalley says...

fanny.tickler. wrote:
Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.
Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.
And wasnt it dingles that arranged to go to station pub for a moronic fight before last ewood derby ?!! And wasnt it the dingles that trashed scarboroughs ground few years back ?
[quote][p][bold]fanny.tickler.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gammon Flap[/bold] wrote: I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday. You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving. You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves). Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]And wasnt it dingles that arranged to go to station pub for a moronic fight before last ewood derby ?!! And wasnt it the dingles that trashed scarboroughs ground few years back ? intothevalley
  • Score: 1

3:46pm Wed 6 Mar 13

dansker says...

We have the players-- but the wrong manager!!!
We have the players-- but the wrong manager!!! dansker
  • Score: -1

3:47pm Wed 6 Mar 13

MxMave says...

7 Points adrift of relegation now. When will Venkys realise that Appleton is another absolute waste of time? We all knew it from day one, even the supporters trust threatened a boycott until the happy clappers came in with the standard line "give him a chance". The same line given for kean, berg, black and bowyer. We should never have accepted a manager without a track record.
7 Points adrift of relegation now. When will Venkys realise that Appleton is another absolute waste of time? We all knew it from day one, even the supporters trust threatened a boycott until the happy clappers came in with the standard line "give him a chance". The same line given for kean, berg, black and bowyer. We should never have accepted a manager without a track record. MxMave
  • Score: 0

3:49pm Wed 6 Mar 13

MxMave says...

JPB wrote:
the players didn`t fluke it when winning and keeping clean sheets in appy`s earlier games and i believe he can get us back doing that consistantly given a bit of time. the game against bolton sounded like a step back in the right direction, even if luck wasn`t on our side in the end.
Yeah there were no flukes we were just playing dreadful teams and committing 3 men forward for each attack. I think Westholme girls school team could hold out for a clean sheet playing like that.
[quote][p][bold]JPB[/bold] wrote: the players didn`t fluke it when winning and keeping clean sheets in appy`s earlier games and i believe he can get us back doing that consistantly given a bit of time. the game against bolton sounded like a step back in the right direction, even if luck wasn`t on our side in the end.[/p][/quote]Yeah there were no flukes we were just playing dreadful teams and committing 3 men forward for each attack. I think Westholme girls school team could hold out for a clean sheet playing like that. MxMave
  • Score: 0

3:59pm Wed 6 Mar 13

moh says...

noddymcleod wrote:
We are nearer relegation than promotion. Fact, statistic whatever you wish to call it. Apple has had time to have had some influence, indeed he brags that the team is now in the same character as he himself. Boring, unimaginative, holding on for a draw against just the kind of team we need to beat to rise up the table. Apple will prove his really useful qualities for which he was hired when Venkys wind up the Rovers at the end of the season using his experience from Pompey. Does anyone out there really believe that in an ideal situation where the venkys go, where we are still hopefully in this division and we have new owners, tha Apple is the man to take us back to the Premiership ? As the grand bairns say "get real"
we're sliding down the table. We were 4 points behind 6th place when appleton took over. Now the points difference is getting bigger by the day. He sometimes looks scared and forlorn on touchline. Another mess by Shaw and Venkys by appointing an inexperienced manager. Hoping we keep away from bottom three.
[quote][p][bold]noddymcleod[/bold] wrote: We are nearer relegation than promotion. Fact, statistic whatever you wish to call it. Apple has had time to have had some influence, indeed he brags that the team is now in the same character as he himself. Boring, unimaginative, holding on for a draw against just the kind of team we need to beat to rise up the table. Apple will prove his really useful qualities for which he was hired when Venkys wind up the Rovers at the end of the season using his experience from Pompey. Does anyone out there really believe that in an ideal situation where the venkys go, where we are still hopefully in this division and we have new owners, tha Apple is the man to take us back to the Premiership ? As the grand bairns say "get real"[/p][/quote]we're sliding down the table. We were 4 points behind 6th place when appleton took over. Now the points difference is getting bigger by the day. He sometimes looks scared and forlorn on touchline. Another mess by Shaw and Venkys by appointing an inexperienced manager. Hoping we keep away from bottom three. moh
  • Score: 2

4:07pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Simon Bolivar says...

johnny rover wrote:
With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats.

Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom.

So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom.

As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.
I am not here to criticise anyones point of view but lets be cautious when using stats over a short period to prove a point. If the same calculation was used on WBA and Liverpool using the first seven games of the season, WBA would be in a Champions League spot (3rd in the Premier League instead of 9th and be 3 points behind City) and Liverpool would be in the relegation zone instead of 7th (on the same points as Villa).

Stats can be made to read any way you want them really, the real issue is that Rovers are in a mess which started with the Walker Trust flogging us to people who have no interest but their own self interest. The Venky's thought they could run us on the cheap and exploit our premiership status to further their poultry sales and they have failed miserably. Their transfers out bring in far more money than the signings have cost them.

Their constant and stubborn support of Steve Kean damaged the club irepairably and we'll probably never recover (although you can never say never). No business I am aware of keeps someone in place who is doing so much damage to their customer base.

I don't need to go on, people on this forum know the rest of the story and we all know what state we are in. Whether we choose to attend matches or stay away or even keep turning up when each false dawn has occured this season, we can't get away from the fact that before the last couple of seasons, we were all season ticket holders/regular attendees of a club that was in our blood and formed a large part of our lives.

The longer this disaster continues, the people who have chosen not to attend will find other things to do then feel suicidal each week watching Soccer Saturday as another defeat comes in. For those who attend, its the same feeling except it is happening right there in touching distance of your seat.

We all know what we would like to happen and that is Rovers to be bought out by football loving owners but that is just a distant dream at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats. Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom. So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom. As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.[/p][/quote]I am not here to criticise anyones point of view but lets be cautious when using stats over a short period to prove a point. If the same calculation was used on WBA and Liverpool using the first seven games of the season, WBA would be in a Champions League spot (3rd in the Premier League instead of 9th and be 3 points behind City) and Liverpool would be in the relegation zone instead of 7th (on the same points as Villa). Stats can be made to read any way you want them really, the real issue is that Rovers are in a mess which started with the Walker Trust flogging us to people who have no interest but their own self interest. The Venky's thought they could run us on the cheap and exploit our premiership status to further their poultry sales and they have failed miserably. Their transfers out bring in far more money than the signings have cost them. Their constant and stubborn support of Steve Kean damaged the club irepairably and we'll probably never recover (although you can never say never). No business I am aware of keeps someone in place who is doing so much damage to their customer base. I don't need to go on, people on this forum know the rest of the story and we all know what state we are in. Whether we choose to attend matches or stay away or even keep turning up when each false dawn has occured this season, we can't get away from the fact that before the last couple of seasons, we were all season ticket holders/regular attendees of a club that was in our blood and formed a large part of our lives. The longer this disaster continues, the people who have chosen not to attend will find other things to do then feel suicidal each week watching Soccer Saturday as another defeat comes in. For those who attend, its the same feeling except it is happening right there in touching distance of your seat. We all know what we would like to happen and that is Rovers to be bought out by football loving owners but that is just a distant dream at the moment. Simon Bolivar
  • Score: 4

4:09pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Gammon Flap says...

intothevalley wrote:
fanny.tickler. wrote:
Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.
Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.
And wasnt it dingles that arranged to go to station pub for a moronic fight before last ewood derby ?!! And wasnt it the dingles that trashed scarboroughs ground few years back ?
I think you mean when those moronic (Agreed) Burnley fans ARRANGED to meet Blackburn's 'boys' at the Station Pub?

Oh and the Scarborough game was in 1988, so just the 25 years ago then?
[quote][p][bold]intothevalley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fanny.tickler.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gammon Flap[/bold] wrote: I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday. You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving. You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves). Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]And wasnt it dingles that arranged to go to station pub for a moronic fight before last ewood derby ?!! And wasnt it the dingles that trashed scarboroughs ground few years back ?[/p][/quote]I think you mean when those moronic (Agreed) Burnley fans ARRANGED to meet Blackburn's 'boys' at the Station Pub? Oh and the Scarborough game was in 1988, so just the 25 years ago then? Gammon Flap
  • Score: 1

4:39pm Wed 6 Mar 13

ashamed blue says...

I was there last night and i think a draw would of been a fair result. Until a small group of rovers fans(idiots) spoilt the night by throwing coins into the bolton crowd(do people not realise we are in a recession) and the same group singing sick chants towards Fabrice Muamba at the break. You know who you are. You was the group of fans nearest the score board. After that im disgusted and we got our just deserts.
I was there last night and i think a draw would of been a fair result. Until a small group of rovers fans(idiots) spoilt the night by throwing coins into the bolton crowd(do people not realise we are in a recession) and the same group singing sick chants towards Fabrice Muamba at the break. You know who you are. You was the group of fans nearest the score board. After that im disgusted and we got our just deserts. ashamed blue
  • Score: 2

4:51pm Wed 6 Mar 13

passingfootball says...

with the three loanees out it will be interesting what the attacking line up will be, having campbell out means he is forced to change things, i dont think rhodes will any worse if hes on his own, otherwise we will see a change in the second striker, who might it be? i dont think best cant be risked playing the whole game

rovers could use final few games to experiment with different systems which could use later in case plan a does work, which is most of the time, they need other ways to ensure they acheive a good result.
with the three loanees out it will be interesting what the attacking line up will be, having campbell out means he is forced to change things, i dont think rhodes will any worse if hes on his own, otherwise we will see a change in the second striker, who might it be? i dont think best cant be risked playing the whole game rovers could use final few games to experiment with different systems which could use later in case plan a does work, which is most of the time, they need other ways to ensure they acheive a good result. passingfootball
  • Score: 0

4:52pm Wed 6 Mar 13

steve18gls says...

intothevalley wrote:
fanny.tickler. wrote:
Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.
Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.
And wasnt it dingles that arranged to go to station pub for a moronic fight before last ewood derby ?!! And wasnt it the dingles that trashed scarboroughs ground few years back ?
And wasnt it the dingles who trashed their own town ?? morons
[quote][p][bold]intothevalley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fanny.tickler.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gammon Flap[/bold] wrote: I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday. You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving. You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves). Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]And wasnt it dingles that arranged to go to station pub for a moronic fight before last ewood derby ?!! And wasnt it the dingles that trashed scarboroughs ground few years back ?[/p][/quote]And wasnt it the dingles who trashed their own town ?? morons steve18gls
  • Score: 1

4:52pm Wed 6 Mar 13

merlinrabbit says...

ashamed blue wrote:
I was there last night and i think a draw would of been a fair result. Until a small group of rovers fans(idiots) spoilt the night by throwing coins into the bolton crowd(do people not realise we are in a recession) and the same group singing sick chants towards Fabrice Muamba at the break. You know who you are. You was the group of fans nearest the score board. After that im disgusted and we got our just deserts.
I heard Bolton fans singing offensive songs about Jack Walker. I'm growing to dislike Rovers. How can that be? Reading people on here longing for a dishonest man, a blatant liar once proven in court and once admitted in a law suit, a manipulator, somebody I couldnt stand listening to. It's just stomach turning. Is there anybody with any intelligence or morals in football anymore?
[quote][p][bold]ashamed blue[/bold] wrote: I was there last night and i think a draw would of been a fair result. Until a small group of rovers fans(idiots) spoilt the night by throwing coins into the bolton crowd(do people not realise we are in a recession) and the same group singing sick chants towards Fabrice Muamba at the break. You know who you are. You was the group of fans nearest the score board. After that im disgusted and we got our just deserts.[/p][/quote]I heard Bolton fans singing offensive songs about Jack Walker. I'm growing to dislike Rovers. How can that be? Reading people on here longing for a dishonest man, a blatant liar once proven in court and once admitted in a law suit, a manipulator, somebody I couldnt stand listening to. It's just stomach turning. Is there anybody with any intelligence or morals in football anymore? merlinrabbit
  • Score: 0

4:54pm Wed 6 Mar 13

upholland rover says...

Get real! Formica Rochina Vuckevic no more than show ponies. Good 5 a side players in a sports hall but totally ineffective in the championship. Not team players and no bottle. Well rid!
Get real! Formica Rochina Vuckevic no more than show ponies. Good 5 a side players in a sports hall but totally ineffective in the championship. Not team players and no bottle. Well rid! upholland rover
  • Score: 0

5:14pm Wed 6 Mar 13

johnny rover says...

French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.
Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.
Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season.

You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built.

As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?
It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-)

BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle.
Still persisting you FASCIST bully. Now I'm a Dingle and my facts (for that's all they are) are propaganda. Maybe you were one of the alleged hooligans last night? Or maybe you stayed at home to watch Man U. I suspect its the latter. 50 years plus at Ewood through thick and thin. Shame on you.
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.[/p][/quote]Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.[/p][/quote]Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season. You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built. As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?[/p][/quote]It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-) BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle.[/p][/quote]Still persisting you FASCIST bully. Now I'm a Dingle and my facts (for that's all they are) are propaganda. Maybe you were one of the alleged hooligans last night? Or maybe you stayed at home to watch Man U. I suspect its the latter. 50 years plus at Ewood through thick and thin. Shame on you. johnny rover
  • Score: -3

5:31pm Wed 6 Mar 13

johnny rover says...

merlinrabbit wrote:
ashamed blue wrote:
I was there last night and i think a draw would of been a fair result. Until a small group of rovers fans(idiots) spoilt the night by throwing coins into the bolton crowd(do people not realise we are in a recession) and the same group singing sick chants towards Fabrice Muamba at the break. You know who you are. You was the group of fans nearest the score board. After that im disgusted and we got our just deserts.
I heard Bolton fans singing offensive songs about Jack Walker. I'm growing to dislike Rovers. How can that be? Reading people on here longing for a dishonest man, a blatant liar once proven in court and once admitted in a law suit, a manipulator, somebody I couldnt stand listening to. It's just stomach turning. Is there anybody with any intelligence or morals in football anymore?
Loads of posts and so far I cannot recall one that has been "longing for" SK.

To add an element of speculation to my statistics - if SK, EB and GB could produce results that together would get us automatic promotion, maybe any half decent manager could have achieved the same with those players? In contrast what does it say about MA that our current run of form is more than 20 places below?
[quote][p][bold]merlinrabbit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ashamed blue[/bold] wrote: I was there last night and i think a draw would of been a fair result. Until a small group of rovers fans(idiots) spoilt the night by throwing coins into the bolton crowd(do people not realise we are in a recession) and the same group singing sick chants towards Fabrice Muamba at the break. You know who you are. You was the group of fans nearest the score board. After that im disgusted and we got our just deserts.[/p][/quote]I heard Bolton fans singing offensive songs about Jack Walker. I'm growing to dislike Rovers. How can that be? Reading people on here longing for a dishonest man, a blatant liar once proven in court and once admitted in a law suit, a manipulator, somebody I couldnt stand listening to. It's just stomach turning. Is there anybody with any intelligence or morals in football anymore?[/p][/quote]Loads of posts and so far I cannot recall one that has been "longing for" SK. To add an element of speculation to my statistics - if SK, EB and GB could produce results that together would get us automatic promotion, maybe any half decent manager could have achieved the same with those players? In contrast what does it say about MA that our current run of form is more than 20 places below? johnny rover
  • Score: -3

5:43pm Wed 6 Mar 13

owd nick says...

Ah well, just over a week to go.
Ah well, just over a week to go. owd nick
  • Score: 0

6:19pm Wed 6 Mar 13

madrover says...

benal13 wrote:
French Rover wrote:
Elysiumfire wrote:
Stats may not lie, but how one interprets them can be problematic. Going into last night's game, Bolton had a far superior statistical form factor, but positionally in the league, quite within reach.

I said Bolton would take the points, but they didn't do so based on statistical facts. Truth is, Blackburn played a more competitive game than they did last Saturday, still it was not enough. A lax in concentration allowed former Claret Eagles to swoop and snatch the 3 points!

I know many of you might not agree with me (for whatever reason?), but Appleton is the RIGHT man, RIGHT now for Blackburn. Be patient with him, and he will steady the ship, and there are signs that he is doing so. Forget going for glories this season, you are not playing well enough, or consistently well enough, to merit them. He has joined a club that is at storm with itself with internal discord, but he can calm the waters around that which he has influence...the playing field. The schism between owners and fans is something that is out of his hands, but is highly influential upon his strategic gameplay and player confidence.

Of course, a win is better than a draw, and a draw is better than a loss, so if the game's end is drawing near, and neither team look to be able to make the breakthrough, a draw is a far more satisfactory result than the eventual loss that came. It's all about perspective without prejudice.

Statistically, Bolton underperformed, whereas Blackburn upped their form quite significanly. If both teams had played to statistical form, Bolton would have slaughtered Rovers. Stats are good at telling a tale post-mortemly, but are quite inadequate (especially in football) to provide undeniable predictive power on a future outcome. Stats should only be taken as a guide.

Blackburn are away to Millwall on Saturday in the FA Cup. Statistically, there is little between both teams in regard to form. Stats-wise, it has the look of a draw, but I should expect Rovers to scrape a win without extra time, and that is what you want. Not just for the win, but for the turning into the wind to go forward in the right direction. The players need a win for their confidence, and Millwall should provide them with it.
Probably the best and most sensible post on here for ages...have a Carling!
some good points but if he goes to the new den on saturday he will have a long wait cos they dont play while SUNDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!
Still convinced ma is right man for rovers still early days . I'm being realistic that this season has been a shambles and ma is not to blame for the majority of it . Results are poor but in time ma will steady the ship
[quote][p][bold]benal13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Elysiumfire[/bold] wrote: Stats may not lie, but how one interprets them can be problematic. Going into last night's game, Bolton had a far superior statistical form factor, but positionally in the league, quite within reach. I said Bolton would take the points, but they didn't do so based on statistical facts. Truth is, Blackburn played a more competitive game than they did last Saturday, still it was not enough. A lax in concentration allowed former Claret Eagles to swoop and snatch the 3 points! I know many of you might not agree with me (for whatever reason?), but Appleton is the RIGHT man, RIGHT now for Blackburn. Be patient with him, and he will steady the ship, and there are signs that he is doing so. Forget going for glories this season, you are not playing well enough, or consistently well enough, to merit them. He has joined a club that is at storm with itself with internal discord, but he can calm the waters around that which he has influence...the playing field. The schism between owners and fans is something that is out of his hands, but is highly influential upon his strategic gameplay and player confidence. Of course, a win is better than a draw, and a draw is better than a loss, so if the game's end is drawing near, and neither team look to be able to make the breakthrough, a draw is a far more satisfactory result than the eventual loss that came. It's all about perspective without prejudice. Statistically, Bolton underperformed, whereas Blackburn upped their form quite significanly. If both teams had played to statistical form, Bolton would have slaughtered Rovers. Stats are good at telling a tale post-mortemly, but are quite inadequate (especially in football) to provide undeniable predictive power on a future outcome. Stats should only be taken as a guide. Blackburn are away to Millwall on Saturday in the FA Cup. Statistically, there is little between both teams in regard to form. Stats-wise, it has the look of a draw, but I should expect Rovers to scrape a win without extra time, and that is what you want. Not just for the win, but for the turning into the wind to go forward in the right direction. The players need a win for their confidence, and Millwall should provide them with it.[/p][/quote]Probably the best and most sensible post on here for ages...have a Carling![/p][/quote]some good points but if he goes to the new den on saturday he will have a long wait cos they dont play while SUNDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!![/p][/quote]Still convinced ma is right man for rovers still early days . I'm being realistic that this season has been a shambles and ma is not to blame for the majority of it . Results are poor but in time ma will steady the ship madrover
  • Score: 1

6:19pm Wed 6 Mar 13

johnny rover says...

Simon Bolivar wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats.

Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom.

So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom.

As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.
I am not here to criticise anyones point of view but lets be cautious when using stats over a short period to prove a point. If the same calculation was used on WBA and Liverpool using the first seven games of the season, WBA would be in a Champions League spot (3rd in the Premier League instead of 9th and be 3 points behind City) and Liverpool would be in the relegation zone instead of 7th (on the same points as Villa).

Stats can be made to read any way you want them really, the real issue is that Rovers are in a mess which started with the Walker Trust flogging us to people who have no interest but their own self interest. The Venky's thought they could run us on the cheap and exploit our premiership status to further their poultry sales and they have failed miserably. Their transfers out bring in far more money than the signings have cost them.

Their constant and stubborn support of Steve Kean damaged the club irepairably and we'll probably never recover (although you can never say never). No business I am aware of keeps someone in place who is doing so much damage to their customer base.

I don't need to go on, people on this forum know the rest of the story and we all know what state we are in. Whether we choose to attend matches or stay away or even keep turning up when each false dawn has occured this season, we can't get away from the fact that before the last couple of seasons, we were all season ticket holders/regular attendees of a club that was in our blood and formed a large part of our lives.

The longer this disaster continues, the people who have chosen not to attend will find other things to do then feel suicidal each week watching Soccer Saturday as another defeat comes in. For those who attend, its the same feeling except it is happening right there in touching distance of your seat.

We all know what we would like to happen and that is Rovers to be bought out by football loving owners but that is just a distant dream at the moment.
At last, someone who is able to criticise my stats intelligently. Though I am not using the stats to "prove a point", merely to demonstrate trends and stimulate discussion. Good examples with WBA and Liverpool. I would say that you could make an intelligent prediction, based on players and other factors, that Liverpool would improve and WBA would be unable to maintain their progress. I am not saying SK would be certain to have got us automatic promotion - but he might have (Rovers had/have a strong squad by Championship standards). The really worrying thing are the apalling stats from MA. And looking beyond the stats there seems to be little to suggest he will turn things around. His form at B'pool was poor and his form at Rovers is getting worse by the week.

Few would say that with 6 points from a possible 30 Berg should have stayed. MA is doing only slightly better - 9 from a possible 30. If (please don't let it happen) we get thumped by Burnley, how many of those who think he's on the right course and should be given more time will hold to that view.

Again - for all of those who call me a Dingle, a lunatic or worse - I have not expressed any opinion here. I am raising facts to provoke discussion.
[quote][p][bold]Simon Bolivar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats. Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom. So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom. As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.[/p][/quote]I am not here to criticise anyones point of view but lets be cautious when using stats over a short period to prove a point. If the same calculation was used on WBA and Liverpool using the first seven games of the season, WBA would be in a Champions League spot (3rd in the Premier League instead of 9th and be 3 points behind City) and Liverpool would be in the relegation zone instead of 7th (on the same points as Villa). Stats can be made to read any way you want them really, the real issue is that Rovers are in a mess which started with the Walker Trust flogging us to people who have no interest but their own self interest. The Venky's thought they could run us on the cheap and exploit our premiership status to further their poultry sales and they have failed miserably. Their transfers out bring in far more money than the signings have cost them. Their constant and stubborn support of Steve Kean damaged the club irepairably and we'll probably never recover (although you can never say never). No business I am aware of keeps someone in place who is doing so much damage to their customer base. I don't need to go on, people on this forum know the rest of the story and we all know what state we are in. Whether we choose to attend matches or stay away or even keep turning up when each false dawn has occured this season, we can't get away from the fact that before the last couple of seasons, we were all season ticket holders/regular attendees of a club that was in our blood and formed a large part of our lives. The longer this disaster continues, the people who have chosen not to attend will find other things to do then feel suicidal each week watching Soccer Saturday as another defeat comes in. For those who attend, its the same feeling except it is happening right there in touching distance of your seat. We all know what we would like to happen and that is Rovers to be bought out by football loving owners but that is just a distant dream at the moment.[/p][/quote]At last, someone who is able to criticise my stats intelligently. Though I am not using the stats to "prove a point", merely to demonstrate trends and stimulate discussion. Good examples with WBA and Liverpool. I would say that you could make an intelligent prediction, based on players and other factors, that Liverpool would improve and WBA would be unable to maintain their progress. I am not saying SK would be certain to have got us automatic promotion - but he might have (Rovers had/have a strong squad by Championship standards). The really worrying thing are the apalling stats from MA. And looking beyond the stats there seems to be little to suggest he will turn things around. His form at B'pool was poor and his form at Rovers is getting worse by the week. Few would say that with 6 points from a possible 30 Berg should have stayed. MA is doing only slightly better - 9 from a possible 30. If (please don't let it happen) we get thumped by Burnley, how many of those who think he's on the right course and should be given more time will hold to that view. Again - for all of those who call me a Dingle, a lunatic or worse - I have not expressed any opinion here. I am raising facts to provoke discussion. johnny rover
  • Score: -1

6:24pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Captain Dreckley says...

A much better performance after Saturday but still the same outcome nil point. The sooner the Millwall game is out of the way the better because since we beat Arsenal our heads have been elsewhere. Good to see Best back. Still like to see another in centre midfield but maybe we can get a few games out of Dunny.
A much better performance after Saturday but still the same outcome nil point. The sooner the Millwall game is out of the way the better because since we beat Arsenal our heads have been elsewhere. Good to see Best back. Still like to see another in centre midfield but maybe we can get a few games out of Dunny. Captain Dreckley
  • Score: -1

6:27pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Sherwoodforest says...

Steve Kean was completely useless in all aspects of management.


He had a decent start, granted, but we were lucky in most cases this season, we won games that we could so easily of lost.

We made Barnsley and Hull look like Brazil tbh but somehow managed to nick 3 points of both!
Steve Kean was completely useless in all aspects of management. He had a decent start, granted, but we were lucky in most cases this season, we won games that we could so easily of lost. We made Barnsley and Hull look like Brazil tbh but somehow managed to nick 3 points of both! Sherwoodforest
  • Score: 2

6:35pm Wed 6 Mar 13

French Rover says...

johnny rover wrote:
French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.
Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.
Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season.

You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built.

As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?
It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-)

BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle.
Still persisting you FASCIST bully. Now I'm a Dingle and my facts (for that's all they are) are propaganda. Maybe you were one of the alleged hooligans last night? Or maybe you stayed at home to watch Man U. I suspect its the latter. 50 years plus at Ewood through thick and thin. Shame on you.
You are the only one on here who is even alluding to Facists. Maybe you know more about them than other people? If you are really not a dingle then surely it is time to grow-up and stop behaving like one and spouting meaningless lies (sorry statistics) with not a fact among them! Shame on you whoever you are pretending to be a Rover.
[quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.[/p][/quote]Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.[/p][/quote]Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season. You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built. As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?[/p][/quote]It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-) BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle.[/p][/quote]Still persisting you FASCIST bully. Now I'm a Dingle and my facts (for that's all they are) are propaganda. Maybe you were one of the alleged hooligans last night? Or maybe you stayed at home to watch Man U. I suspect its the latter. 50 years plus at Ewood through thick and thin. Shame on you.[/p][/quote]You are the only one on here who is even alluding to Facists. Maybe you know more about them than other people? If you are really not a dingle then surely it is time to grow-up and stop behaving like one and spouting meaningless lies (sorry statistics) with not a fact among them! Shame on you whoever you are pretending to be a Rover. French Rover
  • Score: 3

6:49pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Harwoodstblue says...

steve18gls wrote:
intothevalley wrote:
fanny.tickler. wrote:
Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.
Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.
And wasnt it dingles that arranged to go to station pub for a moronic fight before last ewood derby ?!! And wasnt it the dingles that trashed scarboroughs ground few years back ?
And wasnt it the dingles who trashed their own town ?? morons
Absolutely right, a shameful day in the history of BFC.
Disgusting, absolutely disgusting fans.
Shameful and embarrassing to the whole football community.
[quote][p][bold]steve18gls[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]intothevalley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fanny.tickler.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gammon Flap[/bold] wrote: I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday. You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving. You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves). Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]And wasnt it dingles that arranged to go to station pub for a moronic fight before last ewood derby ?!! And wasnt it the dingles that trashed scarboroughs ground few years back ?[/p][/quote]And wasnt it the dingles who trashed their own town ?? morons[/p][/quote]Absolutely right, a shameful day in the history of BFC. Disgusting, absolutely disgusting fans. Shameful and embarrassing to the whole football community. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 0

6:56pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Harwoodstblue says...

johnny rover wrote:
merlinrabbit wrote:
ashamed blue wrote:
I was there last night and i think a draw would of been a fair result. Until a small group of rovers fans(idiots) spoilt the night by throwing coins into the bolton crowd(do people not realise we are in a recession) and the same group singing sick chants towards Fabrice Muamba at the break. You know who you are. You was the group of fans nearest the score board. After that im disgusted and we got our just deserts.
I heard Bolton fans singing offensive songs about Jack Walker. I'm growing to dislike Rovers. How can that be? Reading people on here longing for a dishonest man, a blatant liar once proven in court and once admitted in a law suit, a manipulator, somebody I couldnt stand listening to. It's just stomach turning. Is there anybody with any intelligence or morals in football anymore?
Loads of posts and so far I cannot recall one that has been "longing for" SK.

To add an element of speculation to my statistics - if SK, EB and GB could produce results that together would get us automatic promotion, maybe any half decent manager could have achieved the same with those players? In contrast what does it say about MA that our current run of form is more than 20 places below?
Steve Kean's fluke results couldn't last.
We were playing shocking, awful football in those games, just as now and any knowledgable football fan could see it.
His luck would have run out sooner rather than later, and he knew it. He got out just in time before the bubble burst.
[quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merlinrabbit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ashamed blue[/bold] wrote: I was there last night and i think a draw would of been a fair result. Until a small group of rovers fans(idiots) spoilt the night by throwing coins into the bolton crowd(do people not realise we are in a recession) and the same group singing sick chants towards Fabrice Muamba at the break. You know who you are. You was the group of fans nearest the score board. After that im disgusted and we got our just deserts.[/p][/quote]I heard Bolton fans singing offensive songs about Jack Walker. I'm growing to dislike Rovers. How can that be? Reading people on here longing for a dishonest man, a blatant liar once proven in court and once admitted in a law suit, a manipulator, somebody I couldnt stand listening to. It's just stomach turning. Is there anybody with any intelligence or morals in football anymore?[/p][/quote]Loads of posts and so far I cannot recall one that has been "longing for" SK. To add an element of speculation to my statistics - if SK, EB and GB could produce results that together would get us automatic promotion, maybe any half decent manager could have achieved the same with those players? In contrast what does it say about MA that our current run of form is more than 20 places below?[/p][/quote]Steve Kean's fluke results couldn't last. We were playing shocking, awful football in those games, just as now and any knowledgable football fan could see it. His luck would have run out sooner rather than later, and he knew it. He got out just in time before the bubble burst. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 3

7:06pm Wed 6 Mar 13

johnny rover says...

Harwoodstblue wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
merlinrabbit wrote:
ashamed blue wrote:
I was there last night and i think a draw would of been a fair result. Until a small group of rovers fans(idiots) spoilt the night by throwing coins into the bolton crowd(do people not realise we are in a recession) and the same group singing sick chants towards Fabrice Muamba at the break. You know who you are. You was the group of fans nearest the score board. After that im disgusted and we got our just deserts.
I heard Bolton fans singing offensive songs about Jack Walker. I'm growing to dislike Rovers. How can that be? Reading people on here longing for a dishonest man, a blatant liar once proven in court and once admitted in a law suit, a manipulator, somebody I couldnt stand listening to. It's just stomach turning. Is there anybody with any intelligence or morals in football anymore?
Loads of posts and so far I cannot recall one that has been "longing for" SK.

To add an element of speculation to my statistics - if SK, EB and GB could produce results that together would get us automatic promotion, maybe any half decent manager could have achieved the same with those players? In contrast what does it say about MA that our current run of form is more than 20 places below?
Steve Kean's fluke results couldn't last.
We were playing shocking, awful football in those games, just as now and any knowledgable football fan could see it.
His luck would have run out sooner rather than later, and he knew it. He got out just in time before the bubble burst.
You may be right. Lots of games a bit like our recent win over Ipswich at home. Then you know what they say about the sign of a good team - one that keeps getting results when they are playing badly. Do you feel the reverse is true with MA? I.e. is he getting unlucky results that will improve given better luck? I don't.
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merlinrabbit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ashamed blue[/bold] wrote: I was there last night and i think a draw would of been a fair result. Until a small group of rovers fans(idiots) spoilt the night by throwing coins into the bolton crowd(do people not realise we are in a recession) and the same group singing sick chants towards Fabrice Muamba at the break. You know who you are. You was the group of fans nearest the score board. After that im disgusted and we got our just deserts.[/p][/quote]I heard Bolton fans singing offensive songs about Jack Walker. I'm growing to dislike Rovers. How can that be? Reading people on here longing for a dishonest man, a blatant liar once proven in court and once admitted in a law suit, a manipulator, somebody I couldnt stand listening to. It's just stomach turning. Is there anybody with any intelligence or morals in football anymore?[/p][/quote]Loads of posts and so far I cannot recall one that has been "longing for" SK. To add an element of speculation to my statistics - if SK, EB and GB could produce results that together would get us automatic promotion, maybe any half decent manager could have achieved the same with those players? In contrast what does it say about MA that our current run of form is more than 20 places below?[/p][/quote]Steve Kean's fluke results couldn't last. We were playing shocking, awful football in those games, just as now and any knowledgable football fan could see it. His luck would have run out sooner rather than later, and he knew it. He got out just in time before the bubble burst.[/p][/quote]You may be right. Lots of games a bit like our recent win over Ipswich at home. Then you know what they say about the sign of a good team - one that keeps getting results when they are playing badly. Do you feel the reverse is true with MA? I.e. is he getting unlucky results that will improve given better luck? I don't. johnny rover
  • Score: -1

7:08pm Wed 6 Mar 13

pepperpot2296 says...

I cannot believe anyone praising clueless KEAN saying, where we would have been with him in charge at present, the fact is these are hypothetical.The plain fact is he totally destroyed a very capable premiership side and replaced it with plainly, poor players who came with, or have since adopted a lazy could,nt care less attitude. The sooner the season ends the better and at least seven or more of this squad should not be here come next season.
I cannot believe anyone praising clueless KEAN saying, where we would have been with him in charge at present, the fact is these are hypothetical.The plain fact is he totally destroyed a very capable premiership side and replaced it with plainly, poor players who came with, or have since adopted a lazy could,nt care less attitude. The sooner the season ends the better and at least seven or more of this squad should not be here come next season. pepperpot2296
  • Score: 4

7:11pm Wed 6 Mar 13

johnny rover says...

French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.
Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.
Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season.

You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built.

As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?
It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-)

BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle.
Still persisting you FASCIST bully. Now I'm a Dingle and my facts (for that's all they are) are propaganda. Maybe you were one of the alleged hooligans last night? Or maybe you stayed at home to watch Man U. I suspect its the latter. 50 years plus at Ewood through thick and thin. Shame on you.
You are the only one on here who is even alluding to Facists. Maybe you know more about them than other people? If you are really not a dingle then surely it is time to grow-up and stop behaving like one and spouting meaningless lies (sorry statistics) with not a fact among them! Shame on you whoever you are pretending to be a Rover.
I have had enough of this. You cannot get involved in a discussion without misunderstanding plain English. You are so blinkered you think I am giving an opinion when I am stating facts (and not expressing an opinion). All you are is abusive and a bully. And you still haven't answered whether you were there last night or whether you stayed at home watching MUFC! Over and out. I have a life to lead.
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.[/p][/quote]Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.[/p][/quote]Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season. You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built. As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?[/p][/quote]It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-) BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle.[/p][/quote]Still persisting you FASCIST bully. Now I'm a Dingle and my facts (for that's all they are) are propaganda. Maybe you were one of the alleged hooligans last night? Or maybe you stayed at home to watch Man U. I suspect its the latter. 50 years plus at Ewood through thick and thin. Shame on you.[/p][/quote]You are the only one on here who is even alluding to Facists. Maybe you know more about them than other people? If you are really not a dingle then surely it is time to grow-up and stop behaving like one and spouting meaningless lies (sorry statistics) with not a fact among them! Shame on you whoever you are pretending to be a Rover.[/p][/quote]I have had enough of this. You cannot get involved in a discussion without misunderstanding plain English. You are so blinkered you think I am giving an opinion when I am stating facts (and not expressing an opinion). All you are is abusive and a bully. And you still haven't answered whether you were there last night or whether you stayed at home watching MUFC! Over and out. I have a life to lead. johnny rover
  • Score: -2

7:19pm Wed 6 Mar 13

johnny rover says...

pepperpot2296 wrote:
I cannot believe anyone praising clueless KEAN saying, where we would have been with him in charge at present, the fact is these are hypothetical.The plain fact is he totally destroyed a very capable premiership side and replaced it with plainly, poor players who came with, or have since adopted a lazy could,nt care less attitude. The sooner the season ends the better and at least seven or more of this squad should not be here come next season.
As I said earlier, I don't think anyone in these dozens of posts have praised SK. Certainly not me. By comparing SKs points per game ratio with MAs does not mean I think SK was great. SK's points per game ration was more than double that of MA's. The stats makes it hard to form an argument that MA is a better manager that SK (or GB, or EB who all had good points per game ratios).
[quote][p][bold]pepperpot2296[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe anyone praising clueless KEAN saying, where we would have been with him in charge at present, the fact is these are hypothetical.The plain fact is he totally destroyed a very capable premiership side and replaced it with plainly, poor players who came with, or have since adopted a lazy could,nt care less attitude. The sooner the season ends the better and at least seven or more of this squad should not be here come next season.[/p][/quote]As I said earlier, I don't think anyone in these dozens of posts have praised SK. Certainly not me. By comparing SKs points per game ratio with MAs does not mean I think SK was great. SK's points per game ration was more than double that of MA's. The stats makes it hard to form an argument that MA is a better manager that SK (or GB, or EB who all had good points per game ratios). johnny rover
  • Score: -3

7:58pm Wed 6 Mar 13

camel says...

Rovers are going to struggle and struggle to get anywhere from the position that they are now in, they have turned in to an average Championship side in less than a few months and will be the whipping boys for the bum teams that they play in that league, what a down fall from the days of Uncle Jack,
Rovers are going to struggle and struggle to get anywhere from the position that they are now in, they have turned in to an average Championship side in less than a few months and will be the whipping boys for the bum teams that they play in that league, what a down fall from the days of Uncle Jack, camel
  • Score: 1

8:07pm Wed 6 Mar 13

BlueSkies says...

johnny rover wrote:
pepperpot2296 wrote:
I cannot believe anyone praising clueless KEAN saying, where we would have been with him in charge at present, the fact is these are hypothetical.The plain fact is he totally destroyed a very capable premiership side and replaced it with plainly, poor players who came with, or have since adopted a lazy could,nt care less attitude. The sooner the season ends the better and at least seven or more of this squad should not be here come next season.
As I said earlier, I don't think anyone in these dozens of posts have praised SK. Certainly not me. By comparing SKs points per game ratio with MAs does not mean I think SK was great. SK's points per game ration was more than double that of MA's. The stats makes it hard to form an argument that MA is a better manager that SK (or GB, or EB who all had good points per game ratios).
Hiya Steve, it's you isn't it? You've been rumbled matey.
Here you are, slowly drip-feeding to folks on here that you (SK) wasn't too bad after all
Quite clever, I'd wondered where you'd show up, but you always were devious and always wanted to BIG yourself up, in your deluded world (3 points at old Trafford dontcha know!)
Steve, you were the worst of the worst of the worst.
Steve, you took us from a Premier League Top 10 club into the Chumpionship.
Steve, you sold all our best players.
Steve, you even likened your signing of Murphy to be similar to that of Tugay's (excuse me, the thought just made me pewk)

To even think, Steve, that anyone with any footballing sense or love of BRFC, would in any way shape or form consider any contribution you made at all to be other than disasterous.

Steve, I hate you and everything about you, and anyone who considers any contribution from you, other than poisonous is, in my humble opinion, as deluded as yourself.
[quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pepperpot2296[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe anyone praising clueless KEAN saying, where we would have been with him in charge at present, the fact is these are hypothetical.The plain fact is he totally destroyed a very capable premiership side and replaced it with plainly, poor players who came with, or have since adopted a lazy could,nt care less attitude. The sooner the season ends the better and at least seven or more of this squad should not be here come next season.[/p][/quote]As I said earlier, I don't think anyone in these dozens of posts have praised SK. Certainly not me. By comparing SKs points per game ratio with MAs does not mean I think SK was great. SK's points per game ration was more than double that of MA's. The stats makes it hard to form an argument that MA is a better manager that SK (or GB, or EB who all had good points per game ratios).[/p][/quote]Hiya Steve, it's you isn't it? You've been rumbled matey. Here you are, slowly drip-feeding to folks on here that you (SK) wasn't too bad after all Quite clever, I'd wondered where you'd show up, but you always were devious and always wanted to BIG yourself up, in your deluded world (3 points at old Trafford dontcha know!) Steve, you were the worst of the worst of the worst. Steve, you took us from a Premier League Top 10 club into the Chumpionship. Steve, you sold all our best players. Steve, you even likened your signing of Murphy to be similar to that of Tugay's (excuse me, the thought just made me pewk) To even think, Steve, that anyone with any footballing sense or love of BRFC, would in any way shape or form consider any contribution you made at all to be other than disasterous. Steve, I hate you and everything about you, and anyone who considers any contribution from you, other than poisonous is, in my humble opinion, as deluded as yourself. BlueSkies
  • Score: 5

8:17pm Wed 6 Mar 13

French Rover says...

johnny rover wrote:
French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.
Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.
Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season.

You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built.

As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?
It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-)

BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle.
Still persisting you FASCIST bully. Now I'm a Dingle and my facts (for that's all they are) are propaganda. Maybe you were one of the alleged hooligans last night? Or maybe you stayed at home to watch Man U. I suspect its the latter. 50 years plus at Ewood through thick and thin. Shame on you.
You are the only one on here who is even alluding to Facists. Maybe you know more about them than other people? If you are really not a dingle then surely it is time to grow-up and stop behaving like one and spouting meaningless lies (sorry statistics) with not a fact among them! Shame on you whoever you are pretending to be a Rover.
I have had enough of this. You cannot get involved in a discussion without misunderstanding plain English. You are so blinkered you think I am giving an opinion when I am stating facts (and not expressing an opinion). All you are is abusive and a bully. And you still haven't answered whether you were there last night or whether you stayed at home watching MUFC! Over and out. I have a life to lead.
bye steve
[quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.[/p][/quote]Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.[/p][/quote]Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season. You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built. As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?[/p][/quote]It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-) BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle.[/p][/quote]Still persisting you FASCIST bully. Now I'm a Dingle and my facts (for that's all they are) are propaganda. Maybe you were one of the alleged hooligans last night? Or maybe you stayed at home to watch Man U. I suspect its the latter. 50 years plus at Ewood through thick and thin. Shame on you.[/p][/quote]You are the only one on here who is even alluding to Facists. Maybe you know more about them than other people? If you are really not a dingle then surely it is time to grow-up and stop behaving like one and spouting meaningless lies (sorry statistics) with not a fact among them! Shame on you whoever you are pretending to be a Rover.[/p][/quote]I have had enough of this. You cannot get involved in a discussion without misunderstanding plain English. You are so blinkered you think I am giving an opinion when I am stating facts (and not expressing an opinion). All you are is abusive and a bully. And you still haven't answered whether you were there last night or whether you stayed at home watching MUFC! Over and out. I have a life to lead.[/p][/quote]bye steve French Rover
  • Score: 3

8:28pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Sherwoodforest says...

Seeing as we are throwing stats about


Steve Kean Rovers win ratio 28.36

Michael Appleton Rovers ratio 33.33


This isn't me defending Appleton though, I wanted Gary Bowyer tbh
Seeing as we are throwing stats about Steve Kean Rovers win ratio 28.36 Michael Appleton Rovers ratio 33.33 This isn't me defending Appleton though, I wanted Gary Bowyer tbh Sherwoodforest
  • Score: 2

8:29pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Harwoodstblue says...

French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.
Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.
Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season.

You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built.

As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?
It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-)

BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle.
Still persisting you FASCIST bully. Now I'm a Dingle and my facts (for that's all they are) are propaganda. Maybe you were one of the alleged hooligans last night? Or maybe you stayed at home to watch Man U. I suspect its the latter. 50 years plus at Ewood through thick and thin. Shame on you.
You are the only one on here who is even alluding to Facists. Maybe you know more about them than other people? If you are really not a dingle then surely it is time to grow-up and stop behaving like one and spouting meaningless lies (sorry statistics) with not a fact among them! Shame on you whoever you are pretending to be a Rover.
I have had enough of this. You cannot get involved in a discussion without misunderstanding plain English. You are so blinkered you think I am giving an opinion when I am stating facts (and not expressing an opinion). All you are is abusive and a bully. And you still haven't answered whether you were there last night or whether you stayed at home watching MUFC! Over and out. I have a life to lead.
bye steve
He has " a life to lead "...He's going to the pub.
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.[/p][/quote]Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.[/p][/quote]Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season. You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built. As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?[/p][/quote]It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-) BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle.[/p][/quote]Still persisting you FASCIST bully. Now I'm a Dingle and my facts (for that's all they are) are propaganda. Maybe you were one of the alleged hooligans last night? Or maybe you stayed at home to watch Man U. I suspect its the latter. 50 years plus at Ewood through thick and thin. Shame on you.[/p][/quote]You are the only one on here who is even alluding to Facists. Maybe you know more about them than other people? If you are really not a dingle then surely it is time to grow-up and stop behaving like one and spouting meaningless lies (sorry statistics) with not a fact among them! Shame on you whoever you are pretending to be a Rover.[/p][/quote]I have had enough of this. You cannot get involved in a discussion without misunderstanding plain English. You are so blinkered you think I am giving an opinion when I am stating facts (and not expressing an opinion). All you are is abusive and a bully. And you still haven't answered whether you were there last night or whether you stayed at home watching MUFC! Over and out. I have a life to lead.[/p][/quote]bye steve[/p][/quote]He has " a life to lead "...He's going to the pub. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 2

9:30pm Wed 6 Mar 13

silverstan says...

trevhd wrote:
Some bad losers,I have heard some fans ? were singing Fabrice Muamba should be dead if this is correct these fans ? should be banned from the games as it is a disgraceful thing to do.
**** off our post you sad ****, you know nowt about Rovers or football so do one !!!
[quote][p][bold]trevhd[/bold] wrote: Some bad losers,I have heard some fans ? were singing Fabrice Muamba should be dead if this is correct these fans ? should be banned from the games as it is a disgraceful thing to do.[/p][/quote]**** off our post you sad ****, you know nowt about Rovers or football so do one !!! silverstan
  • Score: -1

9:44pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Harwoodstblue says...

silverstan wrote:
trevhd wrote:
Some bad losers,I have heard some fans ? were singing Fabrice Muamba should be dead if this is correct these fans ? should be banned from the games as it is a disgraceful thing to do.
**** off our post you sad ****, you know nowt about Rovers or football so do one !!!
What these dingles will stoop to is quite disgraceful putting stories around like that. What an embarrassment to their club and football in general. Disgusting.
[quote][p][bold]silverstan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trevhd[/bold] wrote: Some bad losers,I have heard some fans ? were singing Fabrice Muamba should be dead if this is correct these fans ? should be banned from the games as it is a disgraceful thing to do.[/p][/quote]**** off our post you sad ****, you know nowt about Rovers or football so do one !!![/p][/quote]What these dingles will stoop to is quite disgraceful putting stories around like that. What an embarrassment to their club and football in general. Disgusting. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 0

10:01pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Arthur Labore says...

How any genuine BRFC fan can praise Kean is beyond me ,he helped to ruin a decent Prem League team(with venkys), but im beginning to doubt Appleton,looking like another inexperienced cheap option,and if we not careful we could even end up in League 1!
In fact if we lose at Millwall and then home to Burnley,the season will be in dissray.
How any genuine BRFC fan can praise Kean is beyond me ,he helped to ruin a decent Prem League team(with venkys), but im beginning to doubt Appleton,looking like another inexperienced cheap option,and if we not careful we could even end up in League 1! In fact if we lose at Millwall and then home to Burnley,the season will be in dissray. Arthur Labore
  • Score: 1

10:01pm Wed 6 Mar 13

PersianRover says...

upholland rover wrote:
Get real! Formica Rochina Vuckevic no more than show ponies. Good 5 a side players in a sports hall but totally ineffective in the championship. Not team players and no bottle. Well rid!
Rochina has played 20% of the time both this season and last season, and last season he was our third top scorer, and he remains our second top goal scorer this season, and will probably stay that way!

GB in! Rochina in! Vuckevic in! Nunes in the team too please!
[quote][p][bold]upholland rover[/bold] wrote: Get real! Formica Rochina Vuckevic no more than show ponies. Good 5 a side players in a sports hall but totally ineffective in the championship. Not team players and no bottle. Well rid![/p][/quote]Rochina has played 20% of the time both this season and last season, and last season he was our third top scorer, and he remains our second top goal scorer this season, and will probably stay that way! GB in! Rochina in! Vuckevic in! Nunes in the team too please! PersianRover
  • Score: -2

10:09pm Wed 6 Mar 13

noddy57 says...

looking at the stats under appleton,,we are dropping like a stone,,forget about an fa cup game lm not even convinced we will win that,,lm more concerned with our league position, all you deluded fans who think batfink ,,appleton is doing a good job,, either must be on day release from the asylem or your burnley tossers,,get him out stop pissfarting around and bloody wake up,shaw should be the first out and appy can try to arrange transport for the rest of the clowns,,goodnight vienna,,
looking at the stats under appleton,,we are dropping like a stone,,forget about an fa cup game lm not even convinced we will win that,,lm more concerned with our league position, all you deluded fans who think batfink ,,appleton is doing a good job,, either must be on day release from the asylem or your burnley tossers,,get him out stop pissfarting around and bloody wake up,shaw should be the first out and appy can try to arrange transport for the rest of the clowns,,goodnight vienna,, noddy57
  • Score: -2

10:37pm Wed 6 Mar 13

gleechy says...

johnny rover wrote:
Simon Bolivar wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats.

Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom.

So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom.

As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.
I am not here to criticise anyones point of view but lets be cautious when using stats over a short period to prove a point. If the same calculation was used on WBA and Liverpool using the first seven games of the season, WBA would be in a Champions League spot (3rd in the Premier League instead of 9th and be 3 points behind City) and Liverpool would be in the relegation zone instead of 7th (on the same points as Villa).

Stats can be made to read any way you want them really, the real issue is that Rovers are in a mess which started with the Walker Trust flogging us to people who have no interest but their own self interest. The Venky's thought they could run us on the cheap and exploit our premiership status to further their poultry sales and they have failed miserably. Their transfers out bring in far more money than the signings have cost them.

Their constant and stubborn support of Steve Kean damaged the club irepairably and we'll probably never recover (although you can never say never). No business I am aware of keeps someone in place who is doing so much damage to their customer base.

I don't need to go on, people on this forum know the rest of the story and we all know what state we are in. Whether we choose to attend matches or stay away or even keep turning up when each false dawn has occured this season, we can't get away from the fact that before the last couple of seasons, we were all season ticket holders/regular attendees of a club that was in our blood and formed a large part of our lives.

The longer this disaster continues, the people who have chosen not to attend will find other things to do then feel suicidal each week watching Soccer Saturday as another defeat comes in. For those who attend, its the same feeling except it is happening right there in touching distance of your seat.

We all know what we would like to happen and that is Rovers to be bought out by football loving owners but that is just a distant dream at the moment.
At last, someone who is able to criticise my stats intelligently. Though I am not using the stats to "prove a point", merely to demonstrate trends and stimulate discussion. Good examples with WBA and Liverpool. I would say that you could make an intelligent prediction, based on players and other factors, that Liverpool would improve and WBA would be unable to maintain their progress. I am not saying SK would be certain to have got us automatic promotion - but he might have (Rovers had/have a strong squad by Championship standards). The really worrying thing are the apalling stats from MA. And looking beyond the stats there seems to be little to suggest he will turn things around. His form at B'pool was poor and his form at Rovers is getting worse by the week.

Few would say that with 6 points from a possible 30 Berg should have stayed. MA is doing only slightly better - 9 from a possible 30. If (please don't let it happen) we get thumped by Burnley, how many of those who think he's on the right course and should be given more time will hold to that view.

Again - for all of those who call me a Dingle, a lunatic or worse - I have not expressed any opinion here. I am raising facts to provoke discussion.
Hey Johnny, they'rte twisted facts and you should know it, you can string a sentence together and you say you follow the Rovers, so why start counting Uncle Kean's stats from this season only? They are his, he took over a stable Prem club and de stablised it, brought in some dead wood shipped out anyone who could play. His stats for producing talent against letting it go are massively in the red. The damage he did is still affecting the club.
[quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon Bolivar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats. Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom. So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom. As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.[/p][/quote]I am not here to criticise anyones point of view but lets be cautious when using stats over a short period to prove a point. If the same calculation was used on WBA and Liverpool using the first seven games of the season, WBA would be in a Champions League spot (3rd in the Premier League instead of 9th and be 3 points behind City) and Liverpool would be in the relegation zone instead of 7th (on the same points as Villa). Stats can be made to read any way you want them really, the real issue is that Rovers are in a mess which started with the Walker Trust flogging us to people who have no interest but their own self interest. The Venky's thought they could run us on the cheap and exploit our premiership status to further their poultry sales and they have failed miserably. Their transfers out bring in far more money than the signings have cost them. Their constant and stubborn support of Steve Kean damaged the club irepairably and we'll probably never recover (although you can never say never). No business I am aware of keeps someone in place who is doing so much damage to their customer base. I don't need to go on, people on this forum know the rest of the story and we all know what state we are in. Whether we choose to attend matches or stay away or even keep turning up when each false dawn has occured this season, we can't get away from the fact that before the last couple of seasons, we were all season ticket holders/regular attendees of a club that was in our blood and formed a large part of our lives. The longer this disaster continues, the people who have chosen not to attend will find other things to do then feel suicidal each week watching Soccer Saturday as another defeat comes in. For those who attend, its the same feeling except it is happening right there in touching distance of your seat. We all know what we would like to happen and that is Rovers to be bought out by football loving owners but that is just a distant dream at the moment.[/p][/quote]At last, someone who is able to criticise my stats intelligently. Though I am not using the stats to "prove a point", merely to demonstrate trends and stimulate discussion. Good examples with WBA and Liverpool. I would say that you could make an intelligent prediction, based on players and other factors, that Liverpool would improve and WBA would be unable to maintain their progress. I am not saying SK would be certain to have got us automatic promotion - but he might have (Rovers had/have a strong squad by Championship standards). The really worrying thing are the apalling stats from MA. And looking beyond the stats there seems to be little to suggest he will turn things around. His form at B'pool was poor and his form at Rovers is getting worse by the week. Few would say that with 6 points from a possible 30 Berg should have stayed. MA is doing only slightly better - 9 from a possible 30. If (please don't let it happen) we get thumped by Burnley, how many of those who think he's on the right course and should be given more time will hold to that view. Again - for all of those who call me a Dingle, a lunatic or worse - I have not expressed any opinion here. I am raising facts to provoke discussion.[/p][/quote]Hey Johnny, they'rte twisted facts and you should know it, you can string a sentence together and you say you follow the Rovers, so why start counting Uncle Kean's stats from this season only? They are his, he took over a stable Prem club and de stablised it, brought in some dead wood shipped out anyone who could play. His stats for producing talent against letting it go are massively in the red. The damage he did is still affecting the club. gleechy
  • Score: 3

10:59pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Arthur Labore says...

How any genuine BRFC fan can praise Kean is beyond me ,he helped to ruin a decent Prem League team(with venkys), but im beginning to doubt Appleton,looking like another inexperienced cheap option,and if we not careful we could even end up in League 1!
In fact if we lose at Millwall and then home to Burnley,the season will be in dissray.
How any genuine BRFC fan can praise Kean is beyond me ,he helped to ruin a decent Prem League team(with venkys), but im beginning to doubt Appleton,looking like another inexperienced cheap option,and if we not careful we could even end up in League 1! In fact if we lose at Millwall and then home to Burnley,the season will be in dissray. Arthur Labore
  • Score: 1

11:11pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Angry From Accrington says...

Roverthere wrote:
French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.
Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.
A raving looney, or a Burnley fan! Probably both!
Johnny Rover you are absolutely right so don't be intimidated by French Letter and his knuckle dragging numpty mates. I know him personally. He is very small person with a very small Willi. He was bullied at school and is now bullied at work. Someone stole his toilet brush yesterday which is why he is especially mean today. Keep on speaking out about Appleton. His transfers, team selection, tactics, motivation and management are woeful. Worst manager this season!
[quote][p][bold]Roverthere[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.[/p][/quote]Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.[/p][/quote]A raving looney, or a Burnley fan! Probably both![/p][/quote]Johnny Rover you are absolutely right so don't be intimidated by French Letter and his knuckle dragging numpty mates. I know him personally. He is very small person with a very small Willi. He was bullied at school and is now bullied at work. Someone stole his toilet brush yesterday which is why he is especially mean today. Keep on speaking out about Appleton. His transfers, team selection, tactics, motivation and management are woeful. Worst manager this season! Angry From Accrington
  • Score: -4

11:18pm Wed 6 Mar 13

merlinrabbit says...

tugay please !! wrote:
I was there lasi night and there were no so called chants, just someone stirring garbage. However Bolton fans were throwing coins and bottles some full at Rovers fans .Unfortunately Rovers fans did react by smashing seats and throwing them back. There was also trouble on the ground as fans tried to get at each other and outside after the game. A bit like the 80 s all over again .
Why do Bolton fans hate us when we dont care ?
Bolton fans were chanting abuse about jack walker. Police and stewards did nothing. A minority of rovers fans retaliated. It was the same last season. Bolton fans were shouting racist abuse at our players. It was reported to stewards and police but they were all too busy filming and photographing rovers fans in case we had banners and started a protest. They weren't interested in the home crowd. The police were a disgrace at the Reebok last season. I witnessed somebody being practically assaulted for no other reason than he questioned a police officer. I officially complained and received an apology from police chief following investigation.
[quote][p][bold]tugay please !![/bold] wrote: I was there lasi night and there were no so called chants, just someone stirring garbage. However Bolton fans were throwing coins and bottles some full at Rovers fans .Unfortunately Rovers fans did react by smashing seats and throwing them back. There was also trouble on the ground as fans tried to get at each other and outside after the game. A bit like the 80 s all over again . Why do Bolton fans hate us when we dont care ?[/p][/quote]Bolton fans were chanting abuse about jack walker. Police and stewards did nothing. A minority of rovers fans retaliated. It was the same last season. Bolton fans were shouting racist abuse at our players. It was reported to stewards and police but they were all too busy filming and photographing rovers fans in case we had banners and started a protest. They weren't interested in the home crowd. The police were a disgrace at the Reebok last season. I witnessed somebody being practically assaulted for no other reason than he questioned a police officer. I officially complained and received an apology from police chief following investigation. merlinrabbit
  • Score: 2

6:01am Thu 7 Mar 13

whappen says...

johnny rover wrote:
With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats. Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom. So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom. As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.
By your logic it is pointless, so to speak, playing any more games after the end of September.

Everybody knows where they will be so why bother? No more bookies taking bets on the champions or those relegated.

Yoy cannot really be suggesting seven games or six or ten or eleven or THREE, for heaven's sake, gives a true indication of where a club will finish.

How long have you been watching football? It is an inexact science. It is therefore impossible to be so sure about how any team will do with such certainty. You can quote as many stats as you like but I would prefer to go with my observations (and gut feeling) and belive none of these managers would have taken the team to the positions you suggest - whichever end of the table you are looking at.

And if you seriously believe Kean could have maintained that level of results for another THIRTY NINE games, then I would have to ask, where have you been for the last two years? I don't care how many micro-stats you give or which planet you live on but that just was not going to happen.

Good on Gary Bowyer for taking the helm, but THREE games therefore 75 points? That's just plain silly. You play three games in a week all of which may be against poorer teams (not that there are many poorer at the moment) yet another FORTY THREE games would go just as swimmingly - or, if say you lost all three, which isn't uncommon, you would get no points; zero, zilch, nichts? You fail to score in three succesive games so you aren't going to score in the other 43?

Why don't you look at a selective three of MA's results, I can't remeber but I think he won three in a row (it's early and I can't be arsed looking up the stats). 138 points; job done, he's a f@cking genius.

I think you have proved conclusively there ARE lies, d@mn lies and statistics.

If you are so hung up with stats, why don't you look at the historic league positions and W,L,D figures (as well as goals f&a if you think stats are such an accurate indicator) for ALL clubs and then give any sequence of games - say seven, three is a touch ridiculous - which, when extrapolated forward for those clubs that season give their final W,D,L,G (f&a) and points.

To save you the time, I'll say none.
[quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats. Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom. So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom. As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.[/p][/quote]By your logic it is pointless, so to speak, playing any more games after the end of September. Everybody knows where they will be so why bother? No more bookies taking bets on the champions or those relegated. Yoy cannot really be suggesting seven games or six or ten or eleven or THREE, for heaven's sake, gives a true indication of where a club will finish. How long have you been watching football? It is an inexact science. It is therefore impossible to be so sure about how any team will do with such certainty. You can quote as many stats as you like but I would prefer to go with my observations (and gut feeling) and belive none of these managers would have taken the team to the positions you suggest - whichever end of the table you are looking at. And if you seriously believe Kean could have maintained that level of results for another THIRTY NINE games, then I would have to ask, where have you been for the last two years? I don't care how many micro-stats you give or which planet you live on but that just was not going to happen. Good on Gary Bowyer for taking the helm, but THREE games therefore 75 points? That's just plain silly. You play three games in a week all of which may be against poorer teams (not that there are many poorer at the moment) yet another FORTY THREE games would go just as swimmingly - or, if say you lost all three, which isn't uncommon, you would get no points; zero, zilch, nichts? You fail to score in three succesive games so you aren't going to score in the other 43? Why don't you look at a selective three of MA's results, I can't remeber but I think he won three in a row (it's early and I can't be arsed looking up the stats). 138 points; job done, he's a f@cking genius. I think you have proved conclusively there ARE lies, d@mn lies and statistics. If you are so hung up with stats, why don't you look at the historic league positions and W,L,D figures (as well as goals f&a if you think stats are such an accurate indicator) for ALL clubs and then give any sequence of games - say seven, three is a touch ridiculous - which, when extrapolated forward for those clubs that season give their final W,D,L,G (f&a) and points. To save you the time, I'll say none. whappen
  • Score: 4

8:35am Thu 7 Mar 13

Sherwoodforest says...

merlinrabbit wrote:
tugay please !! wrote:
I was there lasi night and there were no so called chants, just someone stirring garbage. However Bolton fans were throwing coins and bottles some full at Rovers fans .Unfortunately Rovers fans did react by smashing seats and throwing them back. There was also trouble on the ground as fans tried to get at each other and outside after the game. A bit like the 80 s all over again .
Why do Bolton fans hate us when we dont care ?
Bolton fans were chanting abuse about jack walker. Police and stewards did nothing. A minority of rovers fans retaliated. It was the same last season. Bolton fans were shouting racist abuse at our players. It was reported to stewards and police but they were all too busy filming and photographing rovers fans in case we had banners and started a protest. They weren't interested in the home crowd. The police were a disgrace at the Reebok last season. I witnessed somebody being practically assaulted for no other reason than he questioned a police officer. I officially complained and received an apology from police chief following investigation.
Yep bang on, at the final whistle the Notlob fans moved around the stadium to confront the Rovers fans, like they do every year.

The police focused fully on the Rovers fans and left the Notlob fans have a free run, I nearly got kicked by a horse and my mate got hit with a baton for totally no reason whatsoever.

As for the Muamba chants???, everyone near me (bottom tier middle) stood up and applauded him???

Lots of conjecture, speculation and tomsh1ttery imo. Notlob fans and police were an absolute disgrace.
[quote][p][bold]merlinrabbit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tugay please !![/bold] wrote: I was there lasi night and there were no so called chants, just someone stirring garbage. However Bolton fans were throwing coins and bottles some full at Rovers fans .Unfortunately Rovers fans did react by smashing seats and throwing them back. There was also trouble on the ground as fans tried to get at each other and outside after the game. A bit like the 80 s all over again . Why do Bolton fans hate us when we dont care ?[/p][/quote]Bolton fans were chanting abuse about jack walker. Police and stewards did nothing. A minority of rovers fans retaliated. It was the same last season. Bolton fans were shouting racist abuse at our players. It was reported to stewards and police but they were all too busy filming and photographing rovers fans in case we had banners and started a protest. They weren't interested in the home crowd. The police were a disgrace at the Reebok last season. I witnessed somebody being practically assaulted for no other reason than he questioned a police officer. I officially complained and received an apology from police chief following investigation.[/p][/quote]Yep bang on, at the final whistle the Notlob fans moved around the stadium to confront the Rovers fans, like they do every year. The police focused fully on the Rovers fans and left the Notlob fans have a free run, I nearly got kicked by a horse and my mate got hit with a baton for totally no reason whatsoever. As for the Muamba chants???, everyone near me (bottom tier middle) stood up and applauded him??? Lots of conjecture, speculation and tomsh1ttery imo. Notlob fans and police were an absolute disgrace. Sherwoodforest
  • Score: 2

1:30pm Thu 7 Mar 13

French Rover says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
Roverthere wrote:
French Rover wrote:
johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.
Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.
A raving looney, or a Burnley fan! Probably both!
Johnny Rover you are absolutely right so don't be intimidated by French Letter and his knuckle dragging numpty mates. I know him personally. He is very small person with a very small Willi. He was bullied at school and is now bullied at work. Someone stole his toilet brush yesterday which is why he is especially mean today. Keep on speaking out about Appleton. His transfers, team selection, tactics, motivation and management are woeful. Worst manager this season!
nutters and dingles the lot of you...or maybe the same poster?

BTW - I doubt you know anyone personally, anywhere.
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roverthere[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnny rover[/bold] wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.[/p][/quote]Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.[/p][/quote]A raving looney, or a Burnley fan! Probably both![/p][/quote]Johnny Rover you are absolutely right so don't be intimidated by French Letter and his knuckle dragging numpty mates. I know him personally. He is very small person with a very small Willi. He was bullied at school and is now bullied at work. Someone stole his toilet brush yesterday which is why he is especially mean today. Keep on speaking out about Appleton. His transfers, team selection, tactics, motivation and management are woeful. Worst manager this season![/p][/quote]nutters and dingles the lot of you...or maybe the same poster? BTW - I doubt you know anyone personally, anywhere. French Rover
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