Rochina's Rovers future still uncertain (From Lancashire Telegraph)

I'm sorry but Rochina has a LONG way to go yet, he's another Hoilett believing he's bigger and better than he actually is. Needs to learn to pass a ball, an learn he isn't good enough to take 5 midfielders/defender
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Glad he's gone, liability. An injured Dunn is of more use.

no point in keeping a player who is not willing to play for blackburn we need players who want to play for the club and who try to give their best for the club. And BEST OF LUCK to campbell if he is really coming to blackburn. i hope he can help us to take us to the premier league.

I still think that if the unlikely were to happen (promotion) Appleton should be looking at recalling him. He played as well in the Prem last year as he has this year and you've got to have players in your squad who can cut it technically in the PL. You can't just have a side full of tough-tackling battlers and think you'll turn into a Newcastle, there needs to be a balance of technical ability and industriousness. You might end up like another Stoke but, really, I'd almost rather be in the Championship.

Many people say he was overrated - he was by no means the finished article, probably never will be, but when the other most naturally creative player we have is David Dunn and your about to bring in the likes of Lee Williamson, I'd much rather know we have one or two like Rochina in the event that promotion does happen.

After all we've had to suffer as a result of BFS's sacking, are we really about to try and create the same style of play that got us the ugly football / hoofball / overly physical reputation? Let's have some of it, yea, great, especially in the Championship where it's more about battling and no-nonsense football, but balance that with a few technically-gifted-i
f-maybe-not-that-ste
ely players, surely?

Shame we are letting a very talented player go, that can draw defenders to the ball and create a lot of space for other players.
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Roverthehill, I disagree, Rochina is one of the few players you'll ever see that IS good enough to take on 5 players...but not as often as he thinks!!
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As we all see, if he can learn to pass at the right time, he would be a superb player at any level. Maybe one day he will learn this, because the way he draws defenders is a brilliant asset.
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For now though, we are better off without him and using lads that will give 100% and know how to achieve in the Championship...respe
ct to everything that Appleton is doing, so far.

Appleton has done very well, it was a good decision to only keep players who are willing to give 110% every game, not flair players at 40%

tugay, good post, similar, yet different :)
My view on it is that Appleton, like Sam, looks at the most important things first, ie. work rate, clean sheets, how to best use the resources you have etc.
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In reality, this is the best way to progress. Once a team has "earned the right to play", then they can start to think about entertaining the fans, introducing luxury players etc etc, but its no good trying to entertain before your side has a basic work ethic and a desire to grind out results.
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# All fur and no Knickers ha ha

Barca like Man U never let a good 'un go. I thought Rochina and Formica would make good players when we signed them but unlike Newcastle and Everton we seem to get the short end of the stick nowadays as the signings dont fulfil their potential. Lets hope Appleton can change this trend and do a Mark Hughes in the transfer market.

Personally, I think getting rid isn't the worst thing we have done. The championship is a tough league that requires all players going out attacking and playing solid football. Rochina kept the ball for too long and lost it quite a lot, too much fancy work for this league, big defenders WILL just push you off the ball and the referees in this league don't give the sort of fouls they would give to premier league teams.

We need solid players who know how to play good passes all the time and we will be firing them in with the strike force we have!

RTID

jeppo wrote:
tugay, good post, similar, yet different :)
My view on it is that Appleton, like Sam, looks at the most important things first, ie. work rate, clean sheets, how to best use the resources you have etc.
.

In reality, this is the best way to progress. Once a team has "earned the right to play", then they can start to think about entertaining the fans, introducing luxury players etc etc, but its no good trying to entertain before your side has a basic work ethic and a desire to grind out results.
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# All fur and no Knickers ha ha

you are spot on my man. Get the basics of winning football matches nailed, THEN work on the entertainment. As much as I have championed RR I wouldn't want a full team of Barca B rejects. I also don't want to tar Appleton with the BFS brush before time either.

My problem is I'm still trying to superglue back together the rose-tinted specs of the Hughes era, Bentley, Tugay, Roque etc. Substance before style is the most realistic though, I agree.

Mmm. Playing over the top balls for the striker to run onto on muddy pitches in cold weather in our hoof and rush league or tippy tappy show boat football in the sunny climes of Europe's premier tippy-tappy league. I think Ruben's only planning on coming back once we've reached the group stages as per the story sold to him by Kean and the SEM cronies.

its looks like he wants out the way he talking good luck to him.

bburnrover wrote:
Barca like Man U never let a good 'un go. I thought Rochina and Formica would make good players when we signed them but unlike Newcastle and Everton we seem to get the short end of the stick nowadays as the signings dont fulfil their potential. Lets hope Appleton can change this trend and do a Mark Hughes in the transfer market.

barcelona - fabregas
united - piquet

DJ Campbell has failed to come up to expectation everywhere he has been, so too has Best. I presume we still pay relatively good wages, so expect Apple's regin to be low calibre imports attarcted by good fees, shipping out those on costly salaries. It's clear Venkys aren't going to spend a penny more, even if we went up (ha ha).
Ruben will come back only if he doesn't make it in Spain, Venkys will try to offload him for a reasonable fee and save his wages.
Move over Poundsaver - it's the new assett stripping Rovers.

Yet another talented player out of the door as the Venky's tighten the old purse strings. The future is bleak.

noddymcleod wrote:
DJ Campbell has failed to come up to expectation everywhere he has been, so too has Best. I presume we still pay relatively good wages, so expect Apple's regin to be low calibre imports attarcted by good fees, shipping out those on costly salaries. It's clear Venkys aren't going to spend a penny more, even if we went up (ha ha).
Ruben will come back only if he doesn't make it in Spain, Venkys will try to offload him for a reasonable fee and save his wages.
Move over Poundsaver - it's the new assett stripping Rovers.

It seems not,in the mirror down south seems Mr Shebby is alive and kicking reports say he's just signed Dimitri Petratos from Kelantan in Malaysia for £500,000 will see him next season and believe it or not he's ANOTHER STRIKER

For sure, Rochina made an impact at times this season but I didn't see him make much progress as a team-player. Great technique and fantastic to watch at times but flawed by a lack of a footbaling brain. It would have been good to retain him as a sub though, to bring on when we're in need of a goal.

noddymcleod wrote:
DJ Campbell has failed to come up to expectation everywhere he has been, so too has Best. I presume we still pay relatively good wages, so expect Apple's regin to be low calibre imports attarcted by good fees, shipping out those on costly salaries. It's clear Venkys aren't going to spend a penny more, even if we went up (ha ha).
Ruben will come back only if he doesn't make it in Spain, Venkys will try to offload him for a reasonable fee and save his wages.
Move over Poundsaver - it's the new assett stripping Rovers.

what a load of crap

Incidentally, I believe that Big Sam had the opportunity to sign Rochina before Venkys took over and didn't see him as a player who would fit into the English game - looks like he was right.

RoverTheHill wrote:
I'm sorry but Rochina has a LONG way to go yet, he's another Hoilett believing he's bigger and better than he actually is. Needs to learn to pass a ball, an learn he isn't good enough to take 5 midfielders/defender

s.

Glad he's gone, liability. An injured Dunn is of more use.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but this is just a silly post RTH...especially the bit about an 'injured Dunn being better'.....silly silly silly!

Rochina has bags of skill and class and goals in him...it just needs nurturing correctly.

If Appleton had this lad two years ago (like Kean had) then you would be seeing a more developed and much different Rochina now. With the right manager and coaching this lad will go on to bigger and better things and we could still be quids in on any final deal.

wolsty wrote:

noddymcleod wrote:
DJ Campbell has failed to come up to expectation everywhere he has been, so too has Best. I presume we still pay relatively good wages, so expect Apple's regin to be low calibre imports attarcted by good fees, shipping out those on costly salaries. It's clear Venkys aren't going to spend a penny more, even if we went up (ha ha).
Ruben will come back only if he doesn't make it in Spain, Venkys will try to offload him for a reasonable fee and save his wages.
Move over Poundsaver - it's the new assett stripping Rovers.

It seems not,in the mirror down south seems Mr Shebby is alive and kicking reports say he's just signed Dimitri Petratos from Kelantan in Malaysia for £500,000 will see him next season and believe it or not he's ANOTHER STRIKER

Hmmm well according to this totally unabridged source we do have this young forward on trial at BRFC.
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Dimitri_Pet
ratos

jeppo wrote:
tugay, good post, similar, yet different :)
My view on it is that Appleton, like Sam, looks at the most important things first, ie. work rate, clean sheets, how to best use the resources you have etc.
.

In reality, this is the best way to progress. Once a team has "earned the right to play", then they can start to think about entertaining the fans, introducing luxury players etc etc, but its no good trying to entertain before your side has a basic work ethic and a desire to grind out results.
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# All fur and no Knickers ha ha

Ironic then that they sacked Sam

A Good Player with talent - But commitment, team effort , accuracy is missing. Hope after this loan period Rochina will relise the TRUTH.

All the BEST

French Rover wrote:

RoverTheHill wrote:
I'm sorry but Rochina has a LONG way to go yet, he's another Hoilett believing he's bigger and better than he actually is. Needs to learn to pass a ball, an learn he isn't good enough to take 5 midfielders/defender


s.

Glad he's gone, liability. An injured Dunn is of more use.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but this is just a silly post RTH...especially the bit about an 'injured Dunn being better'.....silly silly silly!

Rochina has bags of skill and class and goals in him...it just needs nurturing correctly.

If Appleton had this lad two years ago (like Kean had) then you would be seeing a more developed and much different Rochina now. With the right manager and coaching this lad will go on to bigger and better things and we could still be quids in on any final deal.

Very true. I think its hard for anybody to make a judgement about some of the young players brought in under Kean. He didnt play them, if he did his tactics were from Neputune, they had to play within a volatile intense atmosphere at Ewood and have had 5 different manager styles to deal with. I am sorry Rochina has gone. He still had some learning to do but I thought he was worth it. We need battlers but also need players who can give the opposition a bit to contend with.

Kevin Gallacher- 6.12.13-
"If Jordan does add that extra 10% to his game, he will become an even better player than he already is."
WOW! What insight.
Did he re-read that before it went to print? Does he get paid for writing that?
It ranks with-
"If the ball had gone in the net it would have been a goal!" heard on a Midlands radio station.

noddymcleod wrote:
DJ Campbell has failed to come up to expectation everywhere he has been, so too has Best. I presume we still pay relatively good wages, so expect Apple's regin to be low calibre imports attarcted by good fees, shipping out those on costly salaries. It's clear Venkys aren't going to spend a penny more, even if we went up (ha ha).
Ruben will come back only if he doesn't make it in Spain, Venkys will try to offload him for a reasonable fee and save his wages.
Move over Poundsaver - it's the new assett stripping Rovers.

i agree with u fully here that DJ an BEST are a waste of TIME and MONEY. from the last article BEST saying he is looking for his striker role bk wen Rhodes is smashin them in for fun AND then "I am loving the service from colin kazim Richards. Rhodes is performing and living up to his 8mil price tag what sort of player would come out wi sommat like this, that will damper another ones performance.........
........... I DONT GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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uber blue and white wrote:

noddymcleod wrote:
DJ Campbell has failed to come up to expectation everywhere he has been, so too has Best. I presume we still pay relatively good wages, so expect Apple's regin to be low calibre imports attarcted by good fees, shipping out those on costly salaries. It's clear Venkys aren't going to spend a penny more, even if we went up (ha ha).
Ruben will come back only if he doesn't make it in Spain, Venkys will try to offload him for a reasonable fee and save his wages.
Move over Poundsaver - it's the new assett stripping Rovers.

i agree with u fully here that DJ an BEST are a waste of TIME and MONEY. from the last article BEST saying he is looking for his striker role bk wen Rhodes is smashin them in for fun AND then "I am loving the service from colin kazim Richards. Rhodes is performing and living up to his 8mil price tag what sort of player would come out wi sommat like this, that will damper another ones performance.........

........... I DONT GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Well lets give Best & DJ a chance before we slate them. 2 up front with subs coming on as impact players sounds OK to me.
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I expect Best will soon get injured again and DJ & Kazim aren't 90 minute men.
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Chill uber blue and white.

fanny.tickler wrote:
Yet another talented player out of the door as the Venky's tighten the old purse strings. The future is bleak.

....... For Bonleh!

Can we not give it a rest saying how hard done to we've been over "Big Sam." He was sacked years ago and people keep whinging on how this wouldn't have happened if he hadn't been sacked. He would never have contemplated a player like Rochina.
Rochina asked to leave and really isn't suited to the championship or premiership, we need a strong cohesive team not individual players who score spectacular goals once in a blue moon.

Rovers Optimist wrote:
Can we not give it a rest saying how hard done to we've been over "Big Sam." He was sacked years ago and people keep whinging on how this wouldn't have happened if he hadn't been sacked. He would never have contemplated a player like Rochina.
Rochina asked to leave and really isn't suited to the championship or premiership, we need a strong cohesive team not individual players who score spectacular goals once in a blue moon.

So you'd have got rid of Ronaldo? Under the right management, Ruben and Rhodes would have been like Ronaldo and Messi in the Championship

To.guy wrote:

jeppo wrote:
tugay, good post, similar, yet different :)
My view on it is that Appleton, like Sam, looks at the most important things first, ie. work rate, clean sheets, how to best use the resources you have etc.
.

In reality, this is the best way to progress. Once a team has "earned the right to play", then they can start to think about entertaining the fans, introducing luxury players etc etc, but its no good trying to entertain before your side has a basic work ethic and a desire to grind out results.
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# All fur and no Knickers ha ha

Ironic then that they sacked Sam

Allardyce didn't want to be at Rovers, or have you forgotten what went on 12 months before Venky's took over? he wanted to manage England, Barca, was touting himself all over Russia, UAE, etc.

Basically he was too good for us. lol.

I suspect that he engineered his own sacking, and walked away with a big fat cheque as well, but hey in football, that's life. The only people who really suffer at the end of the day are the fans.

That said I agree with you on Appleton, we can see what he is doing, but I would say he's going to be more in the Mark Hughes style, thank God, my neck has just about recovered from permanently watching the sky during Allardyce games.

noddymcleod wrote:
DJ Campbell has failed to come up to expectation everywhere he has been, so too has Best. I presume we still pay relatively good wages, so expect Apple's regin to be low calibre imports attarcted by good fees, shipping out those on costly salaries. It's clear Venkys aren't going to spend a penny more, even if we went up (ha ha).
Ruben will come back only if he doesn't make it in Spain, Venkys will try to offload him for a reasonable fee and save his wages.
Move over Poundsaver - it's the new assett stripping Rovers.

I suggest you look at Best's record.

2007 to 2010 Coventry City 92 appearances 19 goals.
2010 to 2012 Newcastle United 42 appearances 10 goals.

He lost his place at Newcastle when they signed Demba Ba.

OK he's no Alan Shearer, very few are, but lets give the guy a chance to prove himself before slagging him off.

Rochina in! 3rd top scorer last seaon and second so far. While he plays about 30% of the time. The facts says it all.

fanny.tickler wrote:
Yet another talented player out of the door as the Venky's tighten the old purse strings. The future is bleak.

oh so he's talented now he's gone? He was an overrated gravy trainer last week according to you and your fellow dungaree wearing shiny faced mouth foamers.....

Why don't you paint your nails and have your hair washed & permed fanny cos you've clearly got to much time on your hands sat in that office discussing Rovers, Rovers and Loose Women...

PersianRover wrote:
Rochina in! 3rd top scorer last seaon and second so far. While he plays about 30% of the time. The facts says it all.

Facts - 3rd top scorer last season with just 6 goals, 5 goals so far this season.

Lots of potential but there is a good reason he only plays for about 30% of the time, he isn't consistent enough and he gives the ball away in dangerous areas far too often, I made him responsible for at least 4 of our opponents goals at Ewood this season due to sloppy passing or trying to beat the entire team on his own and giving the ball away.

I am being generous with the 4 goals given away BTW.

I do actually like him but he's a luxury in this division, one we can't afford at the moment.

Just read an interesting article on the web from a Daily Mail story about transfer deadline day ( I know I hate the Tory rag as well - but the article has the story on Rochina's move) :

Back in the London office in Chiswick things were busy also. Zaragoza had also made an enquiry about Ruben Rochina at Blackburn but Blackburn didn’t want to let him go on loan. It seemed that Rochina then went in to see the Blackburn manager Michael Appleton and said that he wanted to go to Spain. The manager opted to let him go. Why have a player who doesn’t want to be there or play for the club?
Move him on and save on his salary and try and use it somewhere else. The manager and head of recruitment made sure that the deal was right for Blackburn before letting the player leave.

Sounds like things were done the right way and in the best interests of the Rovers and Rochina...

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Can you believe that the wee ginger man Strachan started his first game in charge of the Jocks tonight with Rhodes on the bench? He wont last long as manager either....cant believe some people wanted him at Ewood!

French Rover wrote:
Can you believe that the wee ginger man Strachan started his first game in charge of the Jocks tonight with Rhodes on the bench? He wont last long as manager either....cant believe some people wanted him at Ewood!

I'm glad he's on the bench! An injury to the goal machine is the last thing we want right now pal.... I hope he has a big fall out with Strachan and retires from international football lol

he's no paul mckinnon

hasslem hasslem wrote:
he's no paul mckinnon

There's one from the distant memory banks Hass...Paul Mckinnon played 5 games for us in 85/86 but dont remember hardly anything about his time with us.

I can see he had an exceptionally strange career in football - he played for Sutton Utd in eight (yes eight) different spells and ended-up at Slough. Yet in between all that he had the 5 games with us and played for Malmo in Sweden in European competitions.

Maybe you can help us remember how on earth he had the 5 games at Rovers?

To my mind Rochina would make a good Bingo player.

Eye's down, look in, and to Hell with the rest of the players.

French Rover wrote:

hasslem hasslem wrote:
he's no paul mckinnon

There's one from the distant memory banks Hass...Paul Mckinnon played 5 games for us in 85/86 but dont remember hardly anything about his time with us.

I can see he had an exceptionally strange career in football - he played for Sutton Utd in eight (yes eight) different spells and ended-up at Slough. Yet in between all that he had the 5 games with us and played for Malmo in Sweden in European competitions.

Maybe you can help us remember how on earth he had the 5 games at Rovers?

Paul McKinnon - I seem to recall without checking debuted at about the time as Colin Hendry and Chris Sulley did (joining from Dundee and Dundee United respectively) in a Full Members Cup tie ... as I recall McKinnon looked totally out of his depth - looked old and played like an old man - fresh from non-league football and looked every inch a player playing at least 3 leagues above his standard!

Basically although a so called 'striker' he made the likes of Petrovic and Andrews (admittedly so-called midfielders) look like Pele ... yes he was THAT bad!

Mc Kinnon was brought in to replace Jimmy Quinn, Bobby Saxton gambled he could reproduce his non league form in the second division. He couldn't and the rest as they say is history.I remember him as rather large,very slow and clueless.

French Rover wrote:

hasslem hasslem wrote:
he's no paul mckinnon

There's one from the distant memory banks Hass...Paul Mckinnon played 5 games for us in 85/86 but dont remember hardly anything about his time with us.

I can see he had an exceptionally strange career in football - he played for Sutton Utd in eight (yes eight) different spells and ended-up at Slough. Yet in between all that he had the 5 games with us and played for Malmo in Sweden in European competitions.

Maybe you can help us remember how on earth he had the 5 games at Rovers?

just chucked it in for a giggle.

think he was the scorer for sutton in their famous win over coventry in the cup.

from memory he had a really fit glamour-model girlfriend

....and i seem to recall andy kennedy dating maria whittaker

anybody remember his goal in fa cup replay at villa in first couple of minutes/ - scorchio!!!

owd nick wrote:

To.guy wrote:

jeppo wrote:
tugay, good post, similar, yet different :)
My view on it is that Appleton, like Sam, looks at the most important things first, ie. work rate, clean sheets, how to best use the resources you have etc.
.

In reality, this is the best way to progress. Once a team has "earned the right to play", then they can start to think about entertaining the fans, introducing luxury players etc etc, but its no good trying to entertain before your side has a basic work ethic and a desire to grind out results.
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# All fur and no Knickers ha ha

Ironic then that they sacked Sam

Allardyce didn't want to be at Rovers, or have you forgotten what went on 12 months before Venky's took over? he wanted to manage England, Barca, was touting himself all over Russia, UAE, etc.

Basically he was too good for us. lol.

I suspect that he engineered his own sacking, and walked away with a big fat cheque as well, but hey in football, that's life. The only people who really suffer at the end of the day are the fans.

That said I agree with you on Appleton, we can see what he is doing, but I would say he's going to be more in the Mark Hughes style, thank God, my neck has just about recovered from permanently watching the sky during Allardyce games.

Your neck might of recovered, but your assumptions are way off the mark. Allerdyce sacked himself, and poor Venks had to watch helplessly. Is there nothing your heros can't do?

hasslem hasslem wrote:
....and i seem to recall andy kennedy dating maria whittaker

anybody remember his goal in fa cup replay at villa in first couple of minutes/ - scorchio!!!

My mate used to have a butchers shop near Ewood, and Andy Kennedy used to come in moaning when not being picked for the first team. Perhaps he needed steaks to raise his game in both quarters!!

hasslem hasslem wrote:
....and i seem to recall andy kennedy dating maria whittaker

anybody remember his goal in fa cup replay at villa in first couple of minutes/ - scorchio!!!

I remember that goal too. You're right; absolute screamer. That shut the Holte End up! He was an ex 'Bluenose' if I remember rightly? Did we lose 3-1 in the end?

flyingv1 wrote:

hasslem hasslem wrote:
....and i seem to recall andy kennedy dating maria whittaker

anybody remember his goal in fa cup replay at villa in first couple of minutes/ - scorchio!!!

My mate used to have a butchers shop near Ewood, and Andy Kennedy used to come in moaning when not being picked for the first team. Perhaps he needed steaks to raise his game in both quarters!!

maybe the steaks (sp) were too high

gleechy wrote:

owd nick wrote:

To.guy wrote:

jeppo wrote:
tugay, good post, similar, yet different :)
My view on it is that Appleton, like Sam, looks at the most important things first, ie. work rate, clean sheets, how to best use the resources you have etc.
.

In reality, this is the best way to progress. Once a team has "earned the right to play", then they can start to think about entertaining the fans, introducing luxury players etc etc, but its no good trying to entertain before your side has a basic work ethic and a desire to grind out results.
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# All fur and no Knickers ha ha

Ironic then that they sacked Sam

Allardyce didn't want to be at Rovers, or have you forgotten what went on 12 months before Venky's took over? he wanted to manage England, Barca, was touting himself all over Russia, UAE, etc.

Basically he was too good for us. lol.

I suspect that he engineered his own sacking, and walked away with a big fat cheque as well, but hey in football, that's life. The only people who really suffer at the end of the day are the fans.

That said I agree with you on Appleton, we can see what he is doing, but I would say he's going to be more in the Mark Hughes style, thank God, my neck has just about recovered from permanently watching the sky during Allardyce games.

Your neck might of recovered, but your assumptions are way off the mark. Allerdyce sacked himself, and poor Venks had to watch helplessly. Is there nothing your heros can't do?

And people like you give dickheads a bad name.

What went on at Bolton? I know, fact.

Why did Newcastle fans not want him?

"There are none so blind as those who cannot see".

But lardarses luvvies worship the ground he walks on, and I really, really wish I could say more but I couldn't afford the lawyers.

tugaycomeback wrote:

jeppo wrote:
tugay, good post, similar, yet different :)
My view on it is that Appleton, like Sam, looks at the most important things first, ie. work rate, clean sheets, how to best use the resources you have etc.
.

In reality, this is the best way to progress. Once a team has "earned the right to play", then they can start to think about entertaining the fans, introducing luxury players etc etc, but its no good trying to entertain before your side has a basic work ethic and a desire to grind out results.
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# All fur and no Knickers ha ha

you are spot on my man. Get the basics of winning football matches nailed, THEN work on the entertainment. As much as I have championed RR I wouldn't want a full team of Barca B rejects. I also don't want to tar Appleton with the BFS brush before time either.

My problem is I'm still trying to superglue back together the rose-tinted specs of the Hughes era, Bentley, Tugay, Roque etc. Substance before style is the most realistic though, I agree.

Oh no!
I think we have all seen a more. organised team and a quicker tempo than kean/ berg - but for those who think, or it seems are hoping, that MA will ape the cynical % tactics employed by BFS want to give it a rest now.
Pedersons aimless punts aside ( nothing new there) , I have seen no evidence that MA will go down that route, and thank F00k for that!
You can be hard to beat and effective without playing that way. None of the top teams in the championship play that way only BFS and Stoke really and West Ham's fans, even with mid table prem status, are pretty **** sick of it. I' d amazed if he was still their manager next season. BFS football is for those whose only football pleasure is seeing a result and not watching the game.
Whatever your opinion lets consign those days to the past and move on.
Aye

hasslem hasslem wrote:

flyingv1 wrote:

hasslem hasslem wrote:
....and i seem to recall andy kennedy dating maria whittaker

anybody remember his goal in fa cup replay at villa in first couple of minutes/ - scorchio!!!

My mate used to have a butchers shop near Ewood, and Andy Kennedy used to come in moaning when not being picked for the first team. Perhaps he needed steaks to raise his game in both quarters!!

maybe the steaks (sp) were too high

Andy Kennedy once got the sponsors Man of the Match award after sitting on the bench all afternoon ! did he have a beef about that too ?

Jonny Bovril wrote:

tugaycomeback wrote:

jeppo wrote:
tugay, good post, similar, yet different :)
My view on it is that Appleton, like Sam, looks at the most important things first, ie. work rate, clean sheets, how to best use the resources you have etc.
.

In reality, this is the best way to progress. Once a team has "earned the right to play", then they can start to think about entertaining the fans, introducing luxury players etc etc, but its no good trying to entertain before your side has a basic work ethic and a desire to grind out results.
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# All fur and no Knickers ha ha

you are spot on my man. Get the basics of winning football matches nailed, THEN work on the entertainment. As much as I have championed RR I wouldn't want a full team of Barca B rejects. I also don't want to tar Appleton with the BFS brush before time either.

My problem is I'm still trying to superglue back together the rose-tinted specs of the Hughes era, Bentley, Tugay, Roque etc. Substance before style is the most realistic though, I agree.

Oh no!
I think we have all seen a more. organised team and a quicker tempo than kean/ berg - but for those who think, or it seems are hoping, that MA will ape the cynical % tactics employed by BFS want to give it a rest now.
Pedersons aimless punts aside ( nothing new there) , I have seen no evidence that MA will go down that route, and thank F00k for that!
You can be hard to beat and effective without playing that way. None of the top teams in the championship play that way only BFS and Stoke really and West Ham's fans, even with mid table prem status, are pretty **** sick of it. I' d amazed if he was still their manager next season. BFS football is for those whose only football pleasure is seeing a result and not watching the game.
Whatever your opinion lets consign those days to the past and move on.
Aye

I'd have BFS back in a flash. Knows and plays to the team and clubs strengths!

Jonny Bovril wrote:

tugaycomeback wrote:

jeppo wrote:
tugay, good post, similar, yet different :)
My view on it is that Appleton, like Sam, looks at the most important things first, ie. work rate, clean sheets, how to best use the resources you have etc.
.

In reality, this is the best way to progress. Once a team has "earned the right to play", then they can start to think about entertaining the fans, introducing luxury players etc etc, but its no good trying to entertain before your side has a basic work ethic and a desire to grind out results.
.
# All fur and no Knickers ha ha

you are spot on my man. Get the basics of winning football matches nailed, THEN work on the entertainment. As much as I have championed RR I wouldn't want a full team of Barca B rejects. I also don't want to tar Appleton with the BFS brush before time either.

My problem is I'm still trying to superglue back together the rose-tinted specs of the Hughes era, Bentley, Tugay, Roque etc. Substance before style is the most realistic though, I agree.

Oh no!
I think we have all seen a more. organised team and a quicker tempo than kean/ berg - but for those who think, or it seems are hoping, that MA will ape the cynical % tactics employed by BFS want to give it a rest now.
Pedersons aimless punts aside ( nothing new there) , I have seen no evidence that MA will go down that route, and thank F00k for that!
You can be hard to beat and effective without playing that way. None of the top teams in the championship play that way only BFS and Stoke really and West Ham's fans, even with mid table prem status, are pretty **** sick of it. I' d amazed if he was still their manager next season. BFS football is for those whose only football pleasure is seeing a result and not watching the game.
Whatever your opinion lets consign those days to the past and move on.
Aye

Aye, to that.

It has to be a positive sign though, the venky-chaos has subsided long enough for us to go back to our old favourite the 'hoofball' debate.

Its like stepping out of the shower and realising the last 3 years was just a bad dream. ;-)

owd nick wrote:

gleechy wrote:

owd nick wrote:

To.guy wrote:

jeppo wrote:
tugay, good post, similar, yet different :)
My view on it is that Appleton, like Sam, looks at the most important things first, ie. work rate, clean sheets, how to best use the resources you have etc.
.

In reality, this is the best way to progress. Once a team has "earned the right to play", then they can start to think about entertaining the fans, introducing luxury players etc etc, but its no good trying to entertain before your side has a basic work ethic and a desire to grind out results.
.
# All fur and no Knickers ha ha

Ironic then that they sacked Sam

Allardyce didn't want to be at Rovers, or have you forgotten what went on 12 months before Venky's took over? he wanted to manage England, Barca, was touting himself all over Russia, UAE, etc.

Basically he was too good for us. lol.

I suspect that he engineered his own sacking, and walked away with a big fat cheque as well, but hey in football, that's life. The only people who really suffer at the end of the day are the fans.

That said I agree with you on Appleton, we can see what he is doing, but I would say he's going to be more in the Mark Hughes style, thank God, my neck has just about recovered from permanently watching the sky during Allardyce games.

Your neck might of recovered, but your assumptions are way off the mark. Allerdyce sacked himself, and poor Venks had to watch helplessly. Is there nothing your heros can't do?

And people like you give dickheads a bad name.

What went on at Bolton? I know, fact.

Why did Newcastle fans not want him?

"There are none so blind as those who cannot see".

But lardarses luvvies worship the ground he walks on, and I really, really wish I could say more but I couldn't afford the lawyers.

You wouldn't need lawyers if you could force your devious mind to tell the truth, you have shown your true colours when your wrong doings are pointed out to you, I don't care for Mr Allerdyce, but you obvoiusly have a vendetta against him, crawl back under your rock and think your devious claptrap through before you try to influence others with it. This is not your site.

gleechy wrote:

owd nick wrote:

gleechy wrote:

owd nick wrote:

To.guy wrote:

jeppo wrote:
tugay, good post, similar, yet different :)
My view on it is that Appleton, like Sam, looks at the most important things first, ie. work rate, clean sheets, how to best use the resources you have etc.
.

In reality, this is the best way to progress. Once a team has "earned the right to play", then they can start to think about entertaining the fans, introducing luxury players etc etc, but its no good trying to entertain before your side has a basic work ethic and a desire to grind out results.
.
# All fur and no Knickers ha ha

Ironic then that they sacked Sam

Allardyce didn't want to be at Rovers, or have you forgotten what went on 12 months before Venky's took over? he wanted to manage England, Barca, was touting himself all over Russia, UAE, etc.

Basically he was too good for us. lol.

I suspect that he engineered his own sacking, and walked away with a big fat cheque as well, but hey in football, that's life. The only people who really suffer at the end of the day are the fans.

That said I agree with you on Appleton, we can see what he is doing, but I would say he's going to be more in the Mark Hughes style, thank God, my neck has just about recovered from permanently watching the sky during Allardyce games.

Your neck might of recovered, but your assumptions are way off the mark. Allerdyce sacked himself, and poor Venks had to watch helplessly. Is there nothing your heros can't do?

And people like you give dickheads a bad name.

What went on at Bolton? I know, fact.

Why did Newcastle fans not want him?

"There are none so blind as those who cannot see".

But lardarses luvvies worship the ground he walks on, and I really, really wish I could say more but I couldn't afford the lawyers.

You wouldn't need lawyers if you could force your devious mind to tell the truth, you have shown your true colours when your wrong doings are pointed out to you, I don't care for Mr Allerdyce, but you obvoiusly have a vendetta against him, crawl back under your rock and think your devious claptrap through before you try to influence others with it. This is not your site.

Is it your site?

Is anything I have said about him wanting away from Rovers wrong?

Everything I am saying about that subject was fully reported in the LET at the time.

Vendetta against him, no I don't actually, I make no secret about hating his tactics, that's true, but what really gets my back up is him being painted as the "Great Man", the only possible saviour, yada; yada.

Given the opportunity he would have taken the money and run, ripping the heart out of the club just like Hughes did.

In that respect he is no better than Venky's.

As I have said so many times the only people who ever suffer are the fans.

You and I both care deeply enough about Rovers to voice our opinions, perhaps I am simply more cynical about the motives of millionaire owners, managers and players.

If Appleton is successful at Rovers and a bigger club comes along do you think he will stay?

If Rhodes is tapped up by a bigger club at the end of the season do you think he will stay?

Owners, managers, players are transient, whoever they are they only take from any football club.

The only people who give to the club are the fans.

owd nick wrote:

gleechy wrote:

owd nick wrote:

gleechy wrote:

owd nick wrote:

To.guy wrote:

jeppo wrote:
tugay, good post, similar, yet different :)
My view on it is that Appleton, like Sam, looks at the most important things first, ie. work rate, clean sheets, how to best use the resources you have etc.
.

In reality, this is the best way to progress. Once a team has "earned the right to play", then they can start to think about entertaining the fans, introducing luxury players etc etc, but its no good trying to entertain before your side has a basic work ethic and a desire to grind out results.
.
# All fur and no Knickers ha ha

Ironic then that they sacked Sam

Allardyce didn't want to be at Rovers, or have you forgotten what went on 12 months before Venky's took over? he wanted to manage England, Barca, was touting himself all over Russia, UAE, etc.

Basically he was too good for us. lol.

I suspect that he engineered his own sacking, and walked away with a big fat cheque as well, but hey in football, that's life. The only people who really suffer at the end of the day are the fans.

That said I agree with you on Appleton, we can see what he is doing, but I would say he's going to be more in the Mark Hughes style, thank God, my neck has just about recovered from permanently watching the sky during Allardyce games.

Your neck might of recovered, but your assumptions are way off the mark. Allerdyce sacked himself, and poor Venks had to watch helplessly. Is there nothing your heros can't do?

And people like you give dickheads a bad name.

What went on at Bolton? I know, fact.

Why did Newcastle fans not want him?

"There are none so blind as those who cannot see".

But lardarses luvvies worship the ground he walks on, and I really, really wish I could say more but I couldn't afford the lawyers.

You wouldn't need lawyers if you could force your devious mind to tell the truth, you have shown your true colours when your wrong doings are pointed out to you, I don't care for Mr Allerdyce, but you obvoiusly have a vendetta against him, crawl back under your rock and think your devious claptrap through before you try to influence others with it. This is not your site.

Is it your site?

Is anything I have said about him wanting away from Rovers wrong?

Everything I am saying about that subject was fully reported in the LET at the time.

Vendetta against him, no I don't actually, I make no secret about hating his tactics, that's true, but what really gets my back up is him being painted as the "Great Man", the only possible saviour, yada; yada.

Given the opportunity he would have taken the money and run, ripping the heart out of the club just like Hughes did.

In that respect he is no better than Venky's.

As I have said so many times the only people who ever suffer are the fans.

You and I both care deeply enough about Rovers to voice our opinions, perhaps I am simply more cynical about the motives of millionaire owners, managers and players.

If Appleton is successful at Rovers and a bigger club comes along do you think he will stay?

If Rhodes is tapped up by a bigger club at the end of the season do you think he will stay?

Owners, managers, players are transient, whoever they are they only take from any football club.

The only people who give to the club are the fans.

Get up and feel the club

MatthewCA wrote:

owd nick wrote:

gleechy wrote:

owd nick wrote:

gleechy wrote:

owd nick wrote:

To.guy wrote:

jeppo wrote:
tugay, good post, similar, yet different :)
My view on it is that Appleton, like Sam, looks at the most important things first, ie. work rate, clean sheets, how to best use the resources you have etc.
.

In reality, this is the best way to progress. Once a team has "earned the right to play", then they can start to think about entertaining the fans, introducing luxury players etc etc, but its no good trying to entertain before your side has a basic work ethic and a desire to grind out results.
.
# All fur and no Knickers ha ha

Ironic then that they sacked Sam

Allardyce didn't want to be at Rovers, or have you forgotten what went on 12 months before Venky's took over? he wanted to manage England, Barca, was touting himself all over Russia, UAE, etc.

Basically he was too good for us. lol.

I suspect that he engineered his own sacking, and walked away with a big fat cheque as well, but hey in football, that's life. The only people who really suffer at the end of the day are the fans.

That said I agree with you on Appleton, we can see what he is doing, but I would say he's going to be more in the Mark Hughes style, thank God, my neck has just about recovered from permanently watching the sky during Allardyce games.

Your neck might of recovered, but your assumptions are way off the mark. Allerdyce sacked himself, and poor Venks had to watch helplessly. Is there nothing your heros can't do?

And people like you give dickheads a bad name.

What went on at Bolton? I know, fact.

Why did Newcastle fans not want him?

"There are none so blind as those who cannot see".

But lardarses luvvies worship the ground he walks on, and I really, really wish I could say more but I couldn't afford the lawyers.

You wouldn't need lawyers if you could force your devious mind to tell the truth, you have shown your true colours when your wrong doings are pointed out to you, I don't care for Mr Allerdyce, but you obvoiusly have a vendetta against him, crawl back under your rock and think your devious claptrap through before you try to influence others with it. This is not your site.

Is it your site?

Is anything I have said about him wanting away from Rovers wrong?

Everything I am saying about that subject was fully reported in the LET at the time.

Vendetta against him, no I don't actually, I make no secret about hating his tactics, that's true, but what really gets my back up is him being painted as the "Great Man", the only possible saviour, yada; yada.

Given the opportunity he would have taken the money and run, ripping the heart out of the club just like Hughes did.

In that respect he is no better than Venky's.

As I have said so many times the only people who ever suffer are the fans.

You and I both care deeply enough about Rovers to voice our opinions, perhaps I am simply more cynical about the motives of millionaire owners, managers and players.

If Appleton is successful at Rovers and a bigger club comes along do you think he will stay?

If Rhodes is tapped up by a bigger club at the end of the season do you think he will stay?

Owners, managers, players are transient, whoever they are they only take from any football club.

The only people who give to the club are the fans.

Get up and feel the club

WTF ?