Henley on the sidelines, but Orr unlikely to return to Rovers

7:57am Tuesday 8th January 2013 in Football Photograph of the Author By Andy Cryer, Blackburn Rovers reporter

ADAM Henley has been ruled out of action until mid to late February with a hamstring injury – but Rovers look set to give Ipswich the opportunity to extend Bradley Orr’s loan spell until the end of the season.

Henley’s absence will leave Rovers short of options at right back, with central midfielder Jason Lowe now expected to move back into defence, but the Lancashire Telegraph understands there are no plans to bring Orr back into the Ewood Park frame.

Caretaker management duo Gary Bowyer and Terry McPhillips are exploring the option of strengthening in midfield and defensively in the loan market this month, but it is believed they will face resistance from the club’s hierarchy, who are not expecting much transfer activity.

Rovers also yesterday rejected a bid for Martin Olsson from West Ham, understood to be in the region of £2m, and are bracing themselves for further interest in the full back.

Gael Givet, Paul Robinson and Scott Dann are all understood to be the subject of interest from rival clubs, although no official bids have been made, but Rovers are determined to keep the majority of their squad intact.

Henley’s enforced absence is a blow to Rovers’ Championship play-off hopes as, with Givet’s continued absence, it leaves Bowyer facing a severe defensive shortage.

The 18-year-old limped out of Rovers’ FA Cup victory over Bristol City in the first half on Saturday and, after a scan yesterday morning, is facing a four to six-week absence.

Academy product Ryan Edwards is expected to be handed his first involvement in the senior squad imminently, after Rovers rejected Rochdale’s attempt to extend his loan spell and instead brought him back to Ewood.

Lowe’s expected positional switch will also leave a central midfield shortage, with Danny Murphy and Morten Gamst Pedersen the only recognised senior players currently available in that position, with Dickson Etuhu still struggling with injury.

Right back Orr was open to returning to Ewood Park when his Ipswich loan spell came to an end later this month, having been frozen out under former Rovers boss Henning Berg, but is believed not to be in the club’s long term plans.

Reports linking Rovers with a loan move for Manchester United defender Scott Wootton are understood to be wide of the mark.

Comments (51)

8:21am Tue 8 Jan 13

1952 rover says...

It is a pity that Clown Shebby is not there as well.
It is a pity that Clown Shebby is not there as well. 1952 rover

8:30am Tue 8 Jan 13

A Darener says...

Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.
Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean. A Darener

8:34am Tue 8 Jan 13

lusorover says...

Both Lowe and Hanley have racked up a few yellow cards already this season. What happens when they and Dann are simultaneously unavailable through suspension and / or injury?

It is bound to happen at some point.

This situation has been totally predictable as has been pointed out by many fans since the last window.

Ryan Edwards may well deserve his chance but he cannot be the complete answer to the current defensive shortages.

I hope that Bowyer does get the backing of the owners because he has already proven that he deserves that backing and to not do so would be a real kick in the teeth.
Both Lowe and Hanley have racked up a few yellow cards already this season. What happens when they and Dann are simultaneously unavailable through suspension and / or injury? It is bound to happen at some point. This situation has been totally predictable as has been pointed out by many fans since the last window. Ryan Edwards may well deserve his chance but he cannot be the complete answer to the current defensive shortages. I hope that Bowyer does get the backing of the owners because he has already proven that he deserves that backing and to not do so would be a real kick in the teeth. lusorover

8:41am Tue 8 Jan 13

MikeD says...

A Darener wrote:
Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.
Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.[/p][/quote]Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game. MikeD

8:45am Tue 8 Jan 13

fitz808 says...

MikeD wrote:
A Darener wrote:
Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.
Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.
agreed! sam, get a backbone man!
[quote][p][bold]MikeD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.[/p][/quote]Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.[/p][/quote]agreed! sam, get a backbone man! fitz808

8:51am Tue 8 Jan 13

brown cow warrior says...

MikeD wrote:
A Darener wrote:
Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.
Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.
If it was 'frivolous' then why did people who are known for being 'careful' with their money cough up a reported£200K to avoid going to court?
Maybe they knew that the courts wouldn't take the same view that you do. Hopefully it will teach a certain somebody to button it in future.
[quote][p][bold]MikeD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.[/p][/quote]Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.[/p][/quote]If it was 'frivolous' then why did people who are known for being 'careful' with their money cough up a reported£200K to avoid going to court? Maybe they knew that the courts wouldn't take the same view that you do. Hopefully it will teach a certain somebody to button it in future. brown cow warrior

8:52am Tue 8 Jan 13

fitz808 says...

as for the story, we do seem dangerously short of defensive cover right now, and as most have said, this has been predictable. hopefully venkys will sanction a loan or two, but i can't imagine we can expect top quality.
bowyer could well be forced to go for the 'attack being the best form of defence' philosophy for the next few weeks!
as for the story, we do seem dangerously short of defensive cover right now, and as most have said, this has been predictable. hopefully venkys will sanction a loan or two, but i can't imagine we can expect top quality. bowyer could well be forced to go for the 'attack being the best form of defence' philosophy for the next few weeks! fitz808

8:52am Tue 8 Jan 13

Harwoodstblue says...

A thread bare squad decimated beyond belief. One injury and no one to stand in without having to rearrange the squad, pathetic.
Lowe moving back to defence will again upset the midfield just when it showed signs of improving and cheapskate owners unwilling, it seems, to even take anyone on loan due to having to pay the wages.
Well done Bowyer for what you have done but you will find yourself working with one hand tied behind your back under our wonderful owners.
A thread bare squad decimated beyond belief. One injury and no one to stand in without having to rearrange the squad, pathetic. Lowe moving back to defence will again upset the midfield just when it showed signs of improving and cheapskate owners unwilling, it seems, to even take anyone on loan due to having to pay the wages. Well done Bowyer for what you have done but you will find yourself working with one hand tied behind your back under our wonderful owners. Harwoodstblue

9:00am Tue 8 Jan 13

Captain Dreckley says...

£8m for.Rhodes then the owners will be resistant to bringing in loan signings? This can only be because of the advice they are receiving from shebby Singh. Shebby thinks the squad is big and good enough and we have our academy players so we don't need anyone else. The only difference between Singh and Venkys is that Venkys admit they are clueless on how to run a football.club hence the need for advisors. This is the ultimate kick in the teeth for Gary Bowyer and his team who have worked wonders with a Steve Kean squad. Yes its another kick for supporters but we expect nothing more after the last two and a bit years experience. Bowyer has put the club in a position where, with investment in the midfield and defence we can have a real crack at promotion. Singh and his incompetent perception and advice to the owners blocks that route. Venkys have to ditch Singh now
£8m for.Rhodes then the owners will be resistant to bringing in loan signings? This can only be because of the advice they are receiving from shebby Singh. Shebby thinks the squad is big and good enough and we have our academy players so we don't need anyone else. The only difference between Singh and Venkys is that Venkys admit they are clueless on how to run a football.club hence the need for advisors. This is the ultimate kick in the teeth for Gary Bowyer and his team who have worked wonders with a Steve Kean squad. Yes its another kick for supporters but we expect nothing more after the last two and a bit years experience. Bowyer has put the club in a position where, with investment in the midfield and defence we can have a real crack at promotion. Singh and his incompetent perception and advice to the owners blocks that route. Venkys have to ditch Singh now Captain Dreckley

9:03am Tue 8 Jan 13

bburnrover says...

Well I have been chuntering on about us needing defensive cover since Nelsen left and it now seems after Salgado and Orr went we have only a young lad at right back to rely on,left back is similar Olsson looks likely to leave soon to West Ham and with Givet being left out for financial reasons we require two new defenders just to replace those players never mind provide cover.
The main concern is the club dont want to appoint a manager due to the fact they cannot afford to spen any more money on new players or managers.We as fans the few that are left still attending do not want Shebby Chaplin to start scouring the Portugese markets for replacement defenders we want decent British defenders and we dont want Shebby anywhere near any footballing decisions.
Well I have been chuntering on about us needing defensive cover since Nelsen left and it now seems after Salgado and Orr went we have only a young lad at right back to rely on,left back is similar Olsson looks likely to leave soon to West Ham and with Givet being left out for financial reasons we require two new defenders just to replace those players never mind provide cover. The main concern is the club dont want to appoint a manager due to the fact they cannot afford to spen any more money on new players or managers.We as fans the few that are left still attending do not want Shebby Chaplin to start scouring the Portugese markets for replacement defenders we want decent British defenders and we dont want Shebby anywhere near any footballing decisions. bburnrover

9:18am Tue 8 Jan 13

Is Eckersley playing? says...

Well. Crunch time. Lets see how much Venkys want promotion by the amount of money they cough up for the replacements the club needs. Then perhaps the optimists will realise we're going nowhere. Well, at least not upwards.What a farce..
Well. Crunch time. Lets see how much Venkys want promotion by the amount of money they cough up for the replacements the club needs. Then perhaps the optimists will realise we're going nowhere. Well, at least not upwards.What a farce.. Is Eckersley playing?

9:22am Tue 8 Jan 13

Angry From Accrington says...

A Darener wrote:
Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.
Perhaps Sam can now afford to sue Panorama as he threatened to do when he and his son were featured in the agents scandal some years ago.................
....or maybe he might just let that one go............?
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.[/p][/quote]Perhaps Sam can now afford to sue Panorama as he threatened to do when he and his son were featured in the agents scandal some years ago................. ....or maybe he might just let that one go............? Angry From Accrington

9:29am Tue 8 Jan 13

Bazzer says...

It could have been resolved by stripping to the waist and and sorting it all out via the Queensberry Rules. Either in Glasgow or Dudley. I would have held their coats and given the necessary First Aid to (contd p.2)....
It could have been resolved by stripping to the waist and and sorting it all out via the Queensberry Rules. Either in Glasgow or Dudley. I would have held their coats and given the necessary First Aid to (contd p.2).... Bazzer

9:39am Tue 8 Jan 13

Angry From Accrington says...

Orr is no loss and Henley has been required to punch way beyond his weight. Givet is gone, either physically or mentally and if Olssen wants a move we might as well let him go as well so, as most of us have been saying, we need at least FOUR defenders. Forget midfielders, they are squeezed into the dressing room at Brockhall like sardines ( pun intended ) and we need to chuck a few back into the sea.
On a wider point, there is still a deathly silence regarding who is actually running this club and with full respect and apologies to Gary Bowyer, to ask him to make transfer decisions is like asking Ronald MacDonald to change the recipe of the Hamburgers. Shebby The Snake is still slithering his way around the corridors and Shaw needs to put his foot on his head.
I also believe that the Lancashire Evening Telegraph has a bigger role to play here. Rather than continuing to pump the Snake's ego with the oxygen of credibility, they should be by passing him and asking serious questions of Shaw, and , or Venky's. You are the "voice" of Blackburn ........or has Shebby hypnotised the Telegraph as well?
Orr is no loss and Henley has been required to punch way beyond his weight. Givet is gone, either physically or mentally and if Olssen wants a move we might as well let him go as well so, as most of us have been saying, we need at least FOUR defenders. Forget midfielders, they are squeezed into the dressing room at Brockhall like sardines ( pun intended ) and we need to chuck a few back into the sea. On a wider point, there is still a deathly silence regarding who is actually running this club and with full respect and apologies to Gary Bowyer, to ask him to make transfer decisions is like asking Ronald MacDonald to change the recipe of the Hamburgers. Shebby The Snake is still slithering his way around the corridors and Shaw needs to put his foot on his head. I also believe that the Lancashire Evening Telegraph has a bigger role to play here. Rather than continuing to pump the Snake's ego with the oxygen of credibility, they should be by passing him and asking serious questions of Shaw, and , or Venky's. You are the "voice" of Blackburn ........or has Shebby hypnotised the Telegraph as well? Angry From Accrington

9:55am Tue 8 Jan 13

dangerous dave says...

Sam only did what anyone one of us would have done regarding Keans rantings/allegations - and the club have recognized this by their statement and payout - so get off your high horses!!!!!
The Mail this morning states Olsson wants Rovers to accept West Hams bid - yes like others have said previously we are being softened up by statements from the Club about no one going anywhere in readiness for some transfers out!!!!
OUT WITH SINGH SHAW AGNEW HENDRY VENKYS COAR
Sam only did what anyone one of us would have done regarding Keans rantings/allegations - and the club have recognized this by their statement and payout - so get off your high horses!!!!! The Mail this morning states Olsson wants Rovers to accept West Hams bid - yes like others have said previously we are being softened up by statements from the Club about no one going anywhere in readiness for some transfers out!!!! OUT WITH SINGH SHAW AGNEW HENDRY VENKYS COAR dangerous dave

10:16am Tue 8 Jan 13

peely says...

MikeD wrote:
A Darener wrote:
Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.
Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.
It was words of truth that Kean ever some !
[quote][p][bold]MikeD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.[/p][/quote]Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.[/p][/quote]It was words of truth that Kean ever some ! peely

10:21am Tue 8 Jan 13

peely says...

Sorry meant " he ever spoke" !
Sorry meant " he ever spoke" ! peely

10:26am Tue 8 Jan 13

BRFC75 says...

You cannot keep players that want to go !! how many times have we tried and failed , going back to Jack Walkers Premiership team , there is one ex player from that era who now happens to have a coaching role at Rovers who point blank refused ever to play for Rovers again, one game he refused to get changed and sat in the stand watching the game , so how can these coaches tell players they are NOT GOING ANYWHERE when we someone on the other side , coaching at Rovers ,an ex player who spat his dummy out to get his move.

DOES IT SEEM FAIR TO GARY ?
GARY BOWYER was doing a good job coaching the reserves , (steady employment) if Gary does not cut the mustard (hopefully he will) as MANAGER, but if not what will the scenario be ?
If SINGH etc. eventually brings in an experienced manager , and we hope he will have his own coaching team, what will happen to Gary ?
It would be grossly unfair if he is shown the door, who is doing Gary`s job right now ?
And will he be able to get his job back ?,
You cannot keep players that want to go !! how many times have we tried and failed , going back to Jack Walkers Premiership team , there is one ex player from that era who now happens to have a coaching role at Rovers who point blank refused ever to play for Rovers again, one game he refused to get changed and sat in the stand watching the game , so how can these coaches tell players they are NOT GOING ANYWHERE when we someone on the other side , coaching at Rovers ,an ex player who spat his dummy out to get his move. DOES IT SEEM FAIR TO GARY ? GARY BOWYER was doing a good job coaching the reserves , (steady employment) if Gary does not cut the mustard (hopefully he will) as MANAGER, but if not what will the scenario be ? If SINGH etc. eventually brings in an experienced manager , and we hope he will have his own coaching team, what will happen to Gary ? It would be grossly unfair if he is shown the door, who is doing Gary`s job right now ? And will he be able to get his job back ?, BRFC75

10:29am Tue 8 Jan 13

walshy2866 says...

Owners plans are kicking in. Get rid of all the experienced players on higher wages and use academy kids. Virtually slave labour, these lads will be on a pittance. Compare the wages for these positions:-
Salgado v Henley
Robinson v Jake Kean
Olson v Ryan Taylor
Nzonzi/ Jones v Lowe
Nelson/Samba/Givet v Hanley
Emerton v Josh King

They must have saved MILLIONS (and made £27m on Jones & Samba) with this, but we end up with a thread bare squad, no cover for injury & kids desperate for recognition or their "big chance" willing to be part of it.
I've said for a long time they're running the club like a corner shop. Is it just me that can see the similarities?
Owners plans are kicking in. Get rid of all the experienced players on higher wages and use academy kids. Virtually slave labour, these lads will be on a pittance. Compare the wages for these positions:- Salgado v Henley Robinson v Jake Kean Olson v Ryan Taylor Nzonzi/ Jones v Lowe Nelson/Samba/Givet v Hanley Emerton v Josh King They must have saved MILLIONS (and made £27m on Jones & Samba) with this, but we end up with a thread bare squad, no cover for injury & kids desperate for recognition or their "big chance" willing to be part of it. I've said for a long time they're running the club like a corner shop. Is it just me that can see the similarities? walshy2866

10:30am Tue 8 Jan 13

londonrover says...

Mr Cryer, you are very poor. Are you a reporter, i.e. you just regurgitate what we already know or what whoever is in charge wants you to spout OR are you an investigative journalist who wants to work hard squirreling away and ruffle some feathers along the way? IMO, you are as bad as the set-up at Ewood Park. Come on, grow some!
Mr Cryer, you are very poor. Are you a reporter, i.e. you just regurgitate what we already know or what whoever is in charge wants you to spout OR are you an investigative journalist who wants to work hard squirreling away and ruffle some feathers along the way? IMO, you are as bad as the set-up at Ewood Park. Come on, grow some! londonrover

10:35am Tue 8 Jan 13

Is Eckersley playing? says...

walshy2866 wrote:
Owners plans are kicking in. Get rid of all the experienced players on higher wages and use academy kids. Virtually slave labour, these lads will be on a pittance. Compare the wages for these positions:-
Salgado v Henley
Robinson v Jake Kean
Olson v Ryan Taylor
Nzonzi/ Jones v Lowe
Nelson/Samba/Givet v Hanley
Emerton v Josh King

They must have saved MILLIONS (and made £27m on Jones & Samba) with this, but we end up with a thread bare squad, no cover for injury & kids desperate for recognition or their "big chance" willing to be part of it.
I've said for a long time they're running the club like a corner shop. Is it just me that can see the similarities?
Not at all. I've been saying it for months but get slagged off as a doom-monger.Welcome aboard, Walshy - and don't go to Ewood till these bloody toss-pots have left. We can then pick up the pieces and start again.
[quote][p][bold]walshy2866[/bold] wrote: Owners plans are kicking in. Get rid of all the experienced players on higher wages and use academy kids. Virtually slave labour, these lads will be on a pittance. Compare the wages for these positions:- Salgado v Henley Robinson v Jake Kean Olson v Ryan Taylor Nzonzi/ Jones v Lowe Nelson/Samba/Givet v Hanley Emerton v Josh King They must have saved MILLIONS (and made £27m on Jones & Samba) with this, but we end up with a thread bare squad, no cover for injury & kids desperate for recognition or their "big chance" willing to be part of it. I've said for a long time they're running the club like a corner shop. Is it just me that can see the similarities?[/p][/quote]Not at all. I've been saying it for months but get slagged off as a doom-monger.Welcome aboard, Walshy - and don't go to Ewood till these bloody toss-pots have left. We can then pick up the pieces and start again. Is Eckersley playing?

10:35am Tue 8 Jan 13

MikeD says...

walshy2866 wrote:
Owners plans are kicking in. Get rid of all the experienced players on higher wages and use academy kids. Virtually slave labour, these lads will be on a pittance. Compare the wages for these positions:-
Salgado v Henley
Robinson v Jake Kean
Olson v Ryan Taylor
Nzonzi/ Jones v Lowe
Nelson/Samba/Givet v Hanley
Emerton v Josh King

They must have saved MILLIONS (and made £27m on Jones & Samba) with this, but we end up with a thread bare squad, no cover for injury & kids desperate for recognition or their "big chance" willing to be part of it.
I've said for a long time they're running the club like a corner shop. Is it just me that can see the similarities?
Slave labour! My heart goes out to them. They must only be earning a couple of grand a week for playing football. It's not right. I'm sending a letter to my MP right away.
[quote][p][bold]walshy2866[/bold] wrote: Owners plans are kicking in. Get rid of all the experienced players on higher wages and use academy kids. Virtually slave labour, these lads will be on a pittance. Compare the wages for these positions:- Salgado v Henley Robinson v Jake Kean Olson v Ryan Taylor Nzonzi/ Jones v Lowe Nelson/Samba/Givet v Hanley Emerton v Josh King They must have saved MILLIONS (and made £27m on Jones & Samba) with this, but we end up with a thread bare squad, no cover for injury & kids desperate for recognition or their "big chance" willing to be part of it. I've said for a long time they're running the club like a corner shop. Is it just me that can see the similarities?[/p][/quote]Slave labour! My heart goes out to them. They must only be earning a couple of grand a week for playing football. It's not right. I'm sending a letter to my MP right away. MikeD

10:40am Tue 8 Jan 13

whittleblue says...

I see that Myles has now turned up at Exeter City "We've seen Myles play and there's a lot of potential there. He's a talented and bright individual," Exeter boss Paul Tisdale
I see that Myles has now turned up at Exeter City "We've seen Myles play and there's a lot of potential there. He's a talented and bright individual," Exeter boss Paul Tisdale whittleblue

10:42am Tue 8 Jan 13

A Darener says...

My comment was relating to the bringing into disrepute the reputation of BRFC. What Kean called Alladyce was irrelevant. X calls Y all the time, just as fans on here do of Shebby Singh and others. No difference. As an employee f blackburn Rovers such comments should have been kept to himself. But having made them public the Venky's should have made a more genuine and sincere apology. End of matter
My comment was relating to the bringing into disrepute the reputation of BRFC. What Kean called Alladyce was irrelevant. X calls Y all the time, just as fans on here do of Shebby Singh and others. No difference. As an employee f blackburn Rovers such comments should have been kept to himself. But having made them public the Venky's should have made a more genuine and sincere apology. End of matter A Darener

10:45am Tue 8 Jan 13

A Darener says...

whittleblue wrote:
I see that Myles has now turned up at Exeter City "We've seen Myles play and there's a lot of potential there. He's a talented and bright individual," Exeter boss Paul Tisdale
"We've see Myles play"? More than we ever did!
[quote][p][bold]whittleblue[/bold] wrote: I see that Myles has now turned up at Exeter City "We've seen Myles play and there's a lot of potential there. He's a talented and bright individual," Exeter boss Paul Tisdale[/p][/quote]"We've see Myles play"? More than we ever did! A Darener

10:46am Tue 8 Jan 13

greenscreener says...

walshy2866 wrote:
Owners plans are kicking in. Get rid of all the experienced players on higher wages and use academy kids. Virtually slave labour, these lads will be on a pittance. Compare the wages for these positions:-
Salgado v Henley
Robinson v Jake Kean
Olson v Ryan Taylor
Nzonzi/ Jones v Lowe
Nelson/Samba/Givet v Hanley
Emerton v Josh King

They must have saved MILLIONS (and made £27m on Jones & Samba) with this, but we end up with a thread bare squad, no cover for injury & kids desperate for recognition or their "big chance" willing to be part of it.
I've said for a long time they're running the club like a corner shop. Is it just me that can see the similarities?
Actually the corner shop understands its customers and talks to them every day. This is more like a crappy website.
[quote][p][bold]walshy2866[/bold] wrote: Owners plans are kicking in. Get rid of all the experienced players on higher wages and use academy kids. Virtually slave labour, these lads will be on a pittance. Compare the wages for these positions:- Salgado v Henley Robinson v Jake Kean Olson v Ryan Taylor Nzonzi/ Jones v Lowe Nelson/Samba/Givet v Hanley Emerton v Josh King They must have saved MILLIONS (and made £27m on Jones & Samba) with this, but we end up with a thread bare squad, no cover for injury & kids desperate for recognition or their "big chance" willing to be part of it. I've said for a long time they're running the club like a corner shop. Is it just me that can see the similarities?[/p][/quote]Actually the corner shop understands its customers and talks to them every day. This is more like a crappy website. greenscreener

11:02am Tue 8 Jan 13

Rover Pete says...

Onwards and downwards. I said in August that League1 was more likely than a return to the Prem. I still think so. At every opportunity the Venky's will cut the wages bill and the size of the squad and sell any player who is up to the job. They will not appoint another manager as it would mean they would have to give him money to build a better squad. Singh is doing, for Venky's, a first class job. Venky's will leave when they have taken the last bit of profit out of the club and left a worthless shell. It will be many years, even after they have left, before we can hope to rise again from this mess.
Onwards and downwards. I said in August that League1 was more likely than a return to the Prem. I still think so. At every opportunity the Venky's will cut the wages bill and the size of the squad and sell any player who is up to the job. They will not appoint another manager as it would mean they would have to give him money to build a better squad. Singh is doing, for Venky's, a first class job. Venky's will leave when they have taken the last bit of profit out of the club and left a worthless shell. It will be many years, even after they have left, before we can hope to rise again from this mess. Rover Pete

11:12am Tue 8 Jan 13

earwego says...

Its about time Venky's gave us fans an apology for wrecking a great club and allowing that football genius Shebby with his great football knowledge, the chance to show how a football club could be run into the ground. The chickens and the snake,what a pair of shysters. Bowyer you need to prove your worth,gain experience of managing,then get the hell out of this cesspit. Don't let them take you down with the club. Good luck mate.
Its about time Venky's gave us fans an apology for wrecking a great club and allowing that football genius Shebby with his great football knowledge, the chance to show how a football club could be run into the ground. The chickens and the snake,what a pair of shysters. Bowyer you need to prove your worth,gain experience of managing,then get the hell out of this cesspit. Don't let them take you down with the club. Good luck mate. earwego

11:27am Tue 8 Jan 13

keithnewton2 says...

This mornings papers say Guardiola is now ready for a return to club management....

C'mon Singh, you know you can do it! Pick up the phone!

Whilst you're at it sign Messi too, another ballon d'hor.

Wait a minute, how about Maradona to coach him.

And why not Beckham too as a twilight shift now he's leaving LA. I'm sure he'd be perfect for a Venkys TV ad and Posh will just love living in Whalley Range.

Sorted!”
This mornings papers say Guardiola is now ready for a return to club management.... C'mon Singh, you know you can do it! Pick up the phone! Whilst you're at it sign Messi too, another ballon d'hor. Wait a minute, how about Maradona to coach him. And why not Beckham too as a twilight shift now he's leaving LA. I'm sure he'd be perfect for a Venkys TV ad and Posh will just love living in Whalley Range. Sorted!” keithnewton2

11:27am Tue 8 Jan 13

midas says...

brown cow warrior wrote:
MikeD wrote:
A Darener wrote: Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.
Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.
If it was 'frivolous' then why did people who are known for being 'careful' with their money cough up a reported£200K to avoid going to court? Maybe they knew that the courts wouldn't take the same view that you do. Hopefully it will teach a certain somebody to button it in future.
Because it would cost more in lawyers fees for Rovers to continue to contest it. £15,000 to SA and costs which will not be more than a few letters, phone calls, attendance with client and perhaps advice from Counsel - say £50k tops!!
.
Why Rovers feel the need to apologise when Kean was quite clearly on "a frolic of his own" and was talking in a private capacity, I don't know. I can't see how they are vicariously liable, at that time, for what Kean said.
.
As for Kean, he was only repeating what many others have said (falsley) after viewing the Panorama programme.
.
The people that should be liable are the ones that published the film in the first place. They are the ones that spread the defamation from a small group of individuals in Hong Kong to a worldwide audience on the web. Did this publication have any effect on Keans job? -No. Has it had an adverse effect on Rovers? - yes!
[quote][p][bold]brown cow warrior[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.[/p][/quote]Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.[/p][/quote]If it was 'frivolous' then why did people who are known for being 'careful' with their money cough up a reported£200K to avoid going to court? Maybe they knew that the courts wouldn't take the same view that you do. Hopefully it will teach a certain somebody to button it in future.[/p][/quote]Because it would cost more in lawyers fees for Rovers to continue to contest it. £15,000 to SA and costs which will not be more than a few letters, phone calls, attendance with client and perhaps advice from Counsel - say £50k tops!! . Why Rovers feel the need to apologise when Kean was quite clearly on "a frolic of his own" and was talking in a private capacity, I don't know. I can't see how they are vicariously liable, at that time, for what Kean said. . As for Kean, he was only repeating what many others have said (falsley) after viewing the Panorama programme. . The people that should be liable are the ones that published the film in the first place. They are the ones that spread the defamation from a small group of individuals in Hong Kong to a worldwide audience on the web. Did this publication have any effect on Keans job? -No. Has it had an adverse effect on Rovers? - yes! midas

11:59am Tue 8 Jan 13

French Rover says...

Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
walshy2866 wrote:
Owners plans are kicking in. Get rid of all the experienced players on higher wages and use academy kids. Virtually slave labour, these lads will be on a pittance. Compare the wages for these positions:-
Salgado v Henley
Robinson v Jake Kean
Olson v Ryan Taylor
Nzonzi/ Jones v Lowe
Nelson/Samba/Givet v Hanley
Emerton v Josh King

They must have saved MILLIONS (and made £27m on Jones & Samba) with this, but we end up with a thread bare squad, no cover for injury & kids desperate for recognition or their "big chance" willing to be part of it.
I've said for a long time they're running the club like a corner shop. Is it just me that can see the similarities?
Not at all. I've been saying it for months but get slagged off as a doom-monger.Welcome aboard, Walshy - and don't go to Ewood till these bloody toss-pots have left. We can then pick up the pieces and start again.
the V's are just working to the model stated in the new football-owners book called 'how to run a football club on a budget and survive (just)' - which was published soon after SKY TV took the heart and soul of football away and replaced it with a wallet full of cash for the elite few.
[quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]walshy2866[/bold] wrote: Owners plans are kicking in. Get rid of all the experienced players on higher wages and use academy kids. Virtually slave labour, these lads will be on a pittance. Compare the wages for these positions:- Salgado v Henley Robinson v Jake Kean Olson v Ryan Taylor Nzonzi/ Jones v Lowe Nelson/Samba/Givet v Hanley Emerton v Josh King They must have saved MILLIONS (and made £27m on Jones & Samba) with this, but we end up with a thread bare squad, no cover for injury & kids desperate for recognition or their "big chance" willing to be part of it. I've said for a long time they're running the club like a corner shop. Is it just me that can see the similarities?[/p][/quote]Not at all. I've been saying it for months but get slagged off as a doom-monger.Welcome aboard, Walshy - and don't go to Ewood till these bloody toss-pots have left. We can then pick up the pieces and start again.[/p][/quote]the V's are just working to the model stated in the new football-owners book called 'how to run a football club on a budget and survive (just)' - which was published soon after SKY TV took the heart and soul of football away and replaced it with a wallet full of cash for the elite few. French Rover

12:09pm Tue 8 Jan 13

dangerous dave says...

Rover Pete wrote:
Onwards and downwards. I said in August that League1 was more likely than a return to the Prem. I still think so. At every opportunity the Venky's will cut the wages bill and the size of the squad and sell any player who is up to the job. They will not appoint another manager as it would mean they would have to give him money to build a better squad. Singh is doing, for Venky's, a first class job. Venky's will leave when they have taken the last bit of profit out of the club and left a worthless shell. It will be many years, even after they have left, before we can hope to rise again from this mess.
With you mate pity lots of others on this site cant see it what a bloody mess we are in both on and off the field. Out with the lot of them
[quote][p][bold]Rover Pete[/bold] wrote: Onwards and downwards. I said in August that League1 was more likely than a return to the Prem. I still think so. At every opportunity the Venky's will cut the wages bill and the size of the squad and sell any player who is up to the job. They will not appoint another manager as it would mean they would have to give him money to build a better squad. Singh is doing, for Venky's, a first class job. Venky's will leave when they have taken the last bit of profit out of the club and left a worthless shell. It will be many years, even after they have left, before we can hope to rise again from this mess.[/p][/quote]With you mate pity lots of others on this site cant see it what a bloody mess we are in both on and off the field. Out with the lot of them dangerous dave

12:10pm Tue 8 Jan 13

Keen O to Get Kean Out says...

MikeD wrote:
A Darener wrote: Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.
Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.
i agree, Sam Kean Berg most players Anderson and Shabby are all in this for there own pockets and nothing else, why then do our owners not listen and talk to the loyal fans,amazing
[quote][p][bold]MikeD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.[/p][/quote]Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.[/p][/quote]i agree, Sam Kean Berg most players Anderson and Shabby are all in this for there own pockets and nothing else, why then do our owners not listen and talk to the loyal fans,amazing Keen O to Get Kean Out

12:21pm Tue 8 Jan 13

French Rover says...

Keen O to Get Kean Out wrote:
MikeD wrote:
A Darener wrote: Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.
Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.
i agree, Sam Kean Berg most players Anderson and Shabby are all in this for there own pockets and nothing else, why then do our owners not listen and talk to the loyal fans,amazing
agreed but its not just the Rovers that are like this...there are an awful lot of clubs out there run equally as bad (some worse) that we are....no consolation for us in that I know but seems its the way forward for the majority of clubs these days. Like it or lump it lads.
[quote][p][bold]Keen O to Get Kean Out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.[/p][/quote]Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.[/p][/quote]i agree, Sam Kean Berg most players Anderson and Shabby are all in this for there own pockets and nothing else, why then do our owners not listen and talk to the loyal fans,amazing[/p][/quote]agreed but its not just the Rovers that are like this...there are an awful lot of clubs out there run equally as bad (some worse) that we are....no consolation for us in that I know but seems its the way forward for the majority of clubs these days. Like it or lump it lads. French Rover

12:26pm Tue 8 Jan 13

tmonty says...

Looks like Nelsen heading off to Canada finally - http://www.independe
nt.ie/breaking-news/
sport/nelsen-set-for
-qpr-exit-3346809.ht
ml

Least we won't have to watch him every week doing what he should have been doing for us. What a legend.
Looks like Nelsen heading off to Canada finally - http://www.independe nt.ie/breaking-news/ sport/nelsen-set-for -qpr-exit-3346809.ht ml Least we won't have to watch him every week doing what he should have been doing for us. What a legend. tmonty

12:30pm Tue 8 Jan 13

Keen O to Get Kean Out says...

earwego wrote:
Its about time Venky's gave us fans an apology for wrecking a great club and allowing that football genius Shebby with his great football knowledge, the chance to show how a football club could be run into the ground. The chickens and the snake,what a pair of shysters. Bowyer you need to prove your worth,gain experience of managing,then get the hell out of this cesspit. Don't let them take you down with the club. Good luck mate.
your right Bowyer seems a good accidental choice, he ll earn his reputation then he ll be off like a shot. Shabby has no intentions of employing a manager - he s makin it up as he goes along, no long term future just all knee jerk stuff, up and down the table till we drop.. wait till we draw a decent side in the cup , thats when it ll show how bad we are and the difference the owners have made in 2 years , gutted
[quote][p][bold]earwego[/bold] wrote: Its about time Venky's gave us fans an apology for wrecking a great club and allowing that football genius Shebby with his great football knowledge, the chance to show how a football club could be run into the ground. The chickens and the snake,what a pair of shysters. Bowyer you need to prove your worth,gain experience of managing,then get the hell out of this cesspit. Don't let them take you down with the club. Good luck mate.[/p][/quote]your right Bowyer seems a good accidental choice, he ll earn his reputation then he ll be off like a shot. Shabby has no intentions of employing a manager - he s makin it up as he goes along, no long term future just all knee jerk stuff, up and down the table till we drop.. wait till we draw a decent side in the cup , thats when it ll show how bad we are and the difference the owners have made in 2 years , gutted Keen O to Get Kean Out

12:41pm Tue 8 Jan 13

hasslem hasslem says...

midas wrote:
brown cow warrior wrote:
MikeD wrote:
A Darener wrote: Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.
Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.
If it was 'frivolous' then why did people who are known for being 'careful' with their money cough up a reported£200K to avoid going to court? Maybe they knew that the courts wouldn't take the same view that you do. Hopefully it will teach a certain somebody to button it in future.
Because it would cost more in lawyers fees for Rovers to continue to contest it. £15,000 to SA and costs which will not be more than a few letters, phone calls, attendance with client and perhaps advice from Counsel - say £50k tops!!
.
Why Rovers feel the need to apologise when Kean was quite clearly on "a frolic of his own" and was talking in a private capacity, I don't know. I can't see how they are vicariously liable, at that time, for what Kean said.
.
As for Kean, he was only repeating what many others have said (falsley) after viewing the Panorama programme.
.
The people that should be liable are the ones that published the film in the first place. They are the ones that spread the defamation from a small group of individuals in Hong Kong to a worldwide audience on the web. Did this publication have any effect on Keans job? -No. Has it had an adverse effect on Rovers? - yes!
incorrect midas,

on an official club tour representing blackburn rovers. fans who released it didn't seem to be goading kean (from what i remember).

both rovers and allardyce have/had been exceptionally tight lipped on the reasons behind his departure. i assume this is because NDAs were signed. Kean, on club business, opted to ignore the terms of that NDA. i think if kean had been on a private holiday in hong kong and said what he said, it would be a different matter

don't see how the publication has had any impact on rovers apart from the settlement amount paid by the club.
[quote][p][bold]midas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brown cow warrior[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.[/p][/quote]Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.[/p][/quote]If it was 'frivolous' then why did people who are known for being 'careful' with their money cough up a reported£200K to avoid going to court? Maybe they knew that the courts wouldn't take the same view that you do. Hopefully it will teach a certain somebody to button it in future.[/p][/quote]Because it would cost more in lawyers fees for Rovers to continue to contest it. £15,000 to SA and costs which will not be more than a few letters, phone calls, attendance with client and perhaps advice from Counsel - say £50k tops!! . Why Rovers feel the need to apologise when Kean was quite clearly on "a frolic of his own" and was talking in a private capacity, I don't know. I can't see how they are vicariously liable, at that time, for what Kean said. . As for Kean, he was only repeating what many others have said (falsley) after viewing the Panorama programme. . The people that should be liable are the ones that published the film in the first place. They are the ones that spread the defamation from a small group of individuals in Hong Kong to a worldwide audience on the web. Did this publication have any effect on Keans job? -No. Has it had an adverse effect on Rovers? - yes![/p][/quote]incorrect midas, on an official club tour representing blackburn rovers. fans who released it didn't seem to be goading kean (from what i remember). both rovers and allardyce have/had been exceptionally tight lipped on the reasons behind his departure. i assume this is because NDAs were signed. Kean, on club business, opted to ignore the terms of that NDA. i think if kean had been on a private holiday in hong kong and said what he said, it would be a different matter don't see how the publication has had any impact on rovers apart from the settlement amount paid by the club. hasslem hasslem

12:48pm Tue 8 Jan 13

greenscreener says...

tmonty wrote:
Looks like Nelsen heading off to Canada finally - http://www.independe

nt.ie/breaking-news/

sport/nelsen-set-for

-qpr-exit-3346809.ht

ml

Least we won't have to watch him every week doing what he should have been doing for us. What a legend.
Did you hear Harry talking about Nelsen leaving QPR, he was absolutely gutted, because he knows he won't find another leader like him in time to keep them up, and his survival bonus is now looking very dodgy.
[quote][p][bold]tmonty[/bold] wrote: Looks like Nelsen heading off to Canada finally - http://www.independe nt.ie/breaking-news/ sport/nelsen-set-for -qpr-exit-3346809.ht ml Least we won't have to watch him every week doing what he should have been doing for us. What a legend.[/p][/quote]Did you hear Harry talking about Nelsen leaving QPR, he was absolutely gutted, because he knows he won't find another leader like him in time to keep them up, and his survival bonus is now looking very dodgy. greenscreener

12:53pm Tue 8 Jan 13

hasslem hasslem says...

French Rover wrote:
Keen O to Get Kean Out wrote:
MikeD wrote:
A Darener wrote: Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.
Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.
i agree, Sam Kean Berg most players Anderson and Shabby are all in this for there own pockets and nothing else, why then do our owners not listen and talk to the loyal fans,amazing
agreed but its not just the Rovers that are like this...there are an awful lot of clubs out there run equally as bad (some worse) that we are....no consolation for us in that I know but seems its the way forward for the majority of clubs these days. Like it or lump it lads.
really frenchie? as badly run as us?

cant think of any that has gone from being a model of stability to total chaos in the space of a season.

pompey and leeds yes.....but their own particular tower of babel developed over several seasons - and like him or loathe him (and i loathe him) cuddly ken was slowly sorting the dirties out.

the only club which i see currently compares to rovers is coventry which seem to be a couple of years ahead of us in the deterioration of a once proud club.
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keen O to Get Kean Out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.[/p][/quote]Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.[/p][/quote]i agree, Sam Kean Berg most players Anderson and Shabby are all in this for there own pockets and nothing else, why then do our owners not listen and talk to the loyal fans,amazing[/p][/quote]agreed but its not just the Rovers that are like this...there are an awful lot of clubs out there run equally as bad (some worse) that we are....no consolation for us in that I know but seems its the way forward for the majority of clubs these days. Like it or lump it lads.[/p][/quote]really frenchie? as badly run as us? cant think of any that has gone from being a model of stability to total chaos in the space of a season. pompey and leeds yes.....but their own particular tower of babel developed over several seasons - and like him or loathe him (and i loathe him) cuddly ken was slowly sorting the dirties out. the only club which i see currently compares to rovers is coventry which seem to be a couple of years ahead of us in the deterioration of a once proud club. hasslem hasslem

1:24pm Tue 8 Jan 13

hasslem hasslem says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
French Rover wrote:
Keen O to Get Kean Out wrote:
MikeD wrote:
A Darener wrote: Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.
Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.
i agree, Sam Kean Berg most players Anderson and Shabby are all in this for there own pockets and nothing else, why then do our owners not listen and talk to the loyal fans,amazing
agreed but its not just the Rovers that are like this...there are an awful lot of clubs out there run equally as bad (some worse) that we are....no consolation for us in that I know but seems its the way forward for the majority of clubs these days. Like it or lump it lads.
really frenchie? as badly run as us?

cant think of any that has gone from being a model of stability to total chaos in the space of a season.

pompey and leeds yes.....but their own particular tower of babel developed over several seasons - and like him or loathe him (and i loathe him) cuddly ken was slowly sorting the dirties out.

the only club which i see currently compares to rovers is coventry which seem to be a couple of years ahead of us in the deterioration of a once proud club.
just thinking about it a but further:

weztam were an their way to h.ell in a hand-cart under the mad icelandics (ditto stoke under previous owners)

qpr's problems before fernandez are well documented

birmingham city seem to be a club in total turmoil following the sale by gold n sullivan to the current regime
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keen O to Get Kean Out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.[/p][/quote]Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.[/p][/quote]i agree, Sam Kean Berg most players Anderson and Shabby are all in this for there own pockets and nothing else, why then do our owners not listen and talk to the loyal fans,amazing[/p][/quote]agreed but its not just the Rovers that are like this...there are an awful lot of clubs out there run equally as bad (some worse) that we are....no consolation for us in that I know but seems its the way forward for the majority of clubs these days. Like it or lump it lads.[/p][/quote]really frenchie? as badly run as us? cant think of any that has gone from being a model of stability to total chaos in the space of a season. pompey and leeds yes.....but their own particular tower of babel developed over several seasons - and like him or loathe him (and i loathe him) cuddly ken was slowly sorting the dirties out. the only club which i see currently compares to rovers is coventry which seem to be a couple of years ahead of us in the deterioration of a once proud club.[/p][/quote]just thinking about it a but further: weztam were an their way to h.ell in a hand-cart under the mad icelandics (ditto stoke under previous owners) qpr's problems before fernandez are well documented birmingham city seem to be a club in total turmoil following the sale by gold n sullivan to the current regime hasslem hasslem

2:31pm Tue 8 Jan 13

keithnewton2 says...

Road signs to Ewood are being replaced by directions to Relegation, Adminstration, and Asset Stripping.

Disgraceful ruination of a club. Venkys, we know you dont care but you should be ashamed. May chicken flu infect every single bird you own... see how you like it........
Road signs to Ewood are being replaced by directions to Relegation, Adminstration, and Asset Stripping. Disgraceful ruination of a club. Venkys, we know you dont care but you should be ashamed. May chicken flu infect every single bird you own... see how you like it........ keithnewton2

2:51pm Tue 8 Jan 13

8 Ball Deluxe says...

Shipping out three lower level players you would have thought everyone would have been happy, but no, to the Doomongers these players have now become great players.
As for Sam, I fail to see how anyone can blame the club for Kean having a big mouth and no brain after all noone at the club speaks for Kean
Shipping out three lower level players you would have thought everyone would have been happy, but no, to the Doomongers these players have now become great players. As for Sam, I fail to see how anyone can blame the club for Kean having a big mouth and no brain after all noone at the club speaks for Kean 8 Ball Deluxe

2:51pm Tue 8 Jan 13

French Rover says...

good examples Hass....and I reckon for every one that we know about then there must be loads that we don't. There must be loads of clubs that are bringing foreign players in (a la Portugal with us) and blooding young academy players and hoping to unearth a gem and sell them on to keep the Wolves (not the club) from the door. Examples of clubs in trouble getting back to the top are as rare as hens teeth but It's only about four years ago or less when Southampton were in Administration, and they changed things round and made it to the Prem. Maybe we should use them as our 'model' for success?
good examples Hass....and I reckon for every one that we know about then there must be loads that we don't. There must be loads of clubs that are bringing foreign players in (a la Portugal with us) and blooding young academy players and hoping to unearth a gem and sell them on to keep the Wolves (not the club) from the door. Examples of clubs in trouble getting back to the top are as rare as hens teeth but It's only about four years ago or less when Southampton were in Administration, and they changed things round and made it to the Prem. Maybe we should use them as our 'model' for success? French Rover

3:21pm Tue 8 Jan 13

hasslem hasslem says...

French Rover wrote:
good examples Hass....and I reckon for every one that we know about then there must be loads that we don't. There must be loads of clubs that are bringing foreign players in (a la Portugal with us) and blooding young academy players and hoping to unearth a gem and sell them on to keep the Wolves (not the club) from the door. Examples of clubs in trouble getting back to the top are as rare as hens teeth but It's only about four years ago or less when Southampton were in Administration, and they changed things round and made it to the Prem. Maybe we should use them as our 'model' for success?
saints (the team, not the religious heroes) is a good example of a club in total turmoil that has slowly ascended back to a respectable league position (low prem/top championship).

it is easy to forget how bad things were at saints in the ridiculous days of rupert lowe - a man who clearly demonstrates that you don't need a charlie chaplin 'tache to be a comedy clown in the football trade with the appointment of woodward, appalling financial management with relegations and points deductions....it is fair to say that saints fans have been through the ringer (must be summat to do with the sea air on the south coast - also see pompey and plymouth)

i guess the saints example shows that there can be light at the end of the tunnel - and it need not always be the train coming in the other direction.
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: good examples Hass....and I reckon for every one that we know about then there must be loads that we don't. There must be loads of clubs that are bringing foreign players in (a la Portugal with us) and blooding young academy players and hoping to unearth a gem and sell them on to keep the Wolves (not the club) from the door. Examples of clubs in trouble getting back to the top are as rare as hens teeth but It's only about four years ago or less when Southampton were in Administration, and they changed things round and made it to the Prem. Maybe we should use them as our 'model' for success?[/p][/quote]saints (the team, not the religious heroes) is a good example of a club in total turmoil that has slowly ascended back to a respectable league position (low prem/top championship). it is easy to forget how bad things were at saints in the ridiculous days of rupert lowe - a man who clearly demonstrates that you don't need a charlie chaplin 'tache to be a comedy clown in the football trade with the appointment of woodward, appalling financial management with relegations and points deductions....it is fair to say that saints fans have been through the ringer (must be summat to do with the sea air on the south coast - also see pompey and plymouth) i guess the saints example shows that there can be light at the end of the tunnel - and it need not always be the train coming in the other direction. hasslem hasslem

3:22pm Tue 8 Jan 13

midas says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
midas wrote:
brown cow warrior wrote:
MikeD wrote:
A Darener wrote: Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.
Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.
If it was 'frivolous' then why did people who are known for being 'careful' with their money cough up a reported£200K to avoid going to court? Maybe they knew that the courts wouldn't take the same view that you do. Hopefully it will teach a certain somebody to button it in future.
Because it would cost more in lawyers fees for Rovers to continue to contest it. £15,000 to SA and costs which will not be more than a few letters, phone calls, attendance with client and perhaps advice from Counsel - say £50k tops!! . Why Rovers feel the need to apologise when Kean was quite clearly on "a frolic of his own" and was talking in a private capacity, I don't know. I can't see how they are vicariously liable, at that time, for what Kean said. . As for Kean, he was only repeating what many others have said (falsley) after viewing the Panorama programme. . The people that should be liable are the ones that published the film in the first place. They are the ones that spread the defamation from a small group of individuals in Hong Kong to a worldwide audience on the web. Did this publication have any effect on Keans job? -No. Has it had an adverse effect on Rovers? - yes!
incorrect midas, on an official club tour representing blackburn rovers. fans who released it didn't seem to be goading kean (from what i remember). both rovers and allardyce have/had been exceptionally tight lipped on the reasons behind his departure. i assume this is because NDAs were signed. Kean, on club business, opted to ignore the terms of that NDA. i think if kean had been on a private holiday in hong kong and said what he said, it would be a different matter don't see how the publication has had any impact on rovers apart from the settlement amount paid by the club.
He may well have been on a club tour but he was having a drink in a private capacity, or was he in the bar during a "club function"? Many people work away but what they do in their private time is their responsibility, not the clubs.
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What was he doing in the bar?
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How did this video get onto the internet? did the club publish it? did Kean publish it? The people responsible for its disemination are the ones responsible for the defamation getting around the world. They are the ones that SA should have sought compensation from but it wouldn't be good PR if he had.
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It is just more bad PR for Rovers.
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brown cow warrior[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.[/p][/quote]Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.[/p][/quote]If it was 'frivolous' then why did people who are known for being 'careful' with their money cough up a reported£200K to avoid going to court? Maybe they knew that the courts wouldn't take the same view that you do. Hopefully it will teach a certain somebody to button it in future.[/p][/quote]Because it would cost more in lawyers fees for Rovers to continue to contest it. £15,000 to SA and costs which will not be more than a few letters, phone calls, attendance with client and perhaps advice from Counsel - say £50k tops!! . Why Rovers feel the need to apologise when Kean was quite clearly on "a frolic of his own" and was talking in a private capacity, I don't know. I can't see how they are vicariously liable, at that time, for what Kean said. . As for Kean, he was only repeating what many others have said (falsley) after viewing the Panorama programme. . The people that should be liable are the ones that published the film in the first place. They are the ones that spread the defamation from a small group of individuals in Hong Kong to a worldwide audience on the web. Did this publication have any effect on Keans job? -No. Has it had an adverse effect on Rovers? - yes![/p][/quote]incorrect midas, on an official club tour representing blackburn rovers. fans who released it didn't seem to be goading kean (from what i remember). both rovers and allardyce have/had been exceptionally tight lipped on the reasons behind his departure. i assume this is because NDAs were signed. Kean, on club business, opted to ignore the terms of that NDA. i think if kean had been on a private holiday in hong kong and said what he said, it would be a different matter don't see how the publication has had any impact on rovers apart from the settlement amount paid by the club.[/p][/quote]He may well have been on a club tour but he was having a drink in a private capacity, or was he in the bar during a "club function"? Many people work away but what they do in their private time is their responsibility, not the clubs. . What was he doing in the bar? . How did this video get onto the internet? did the club publish it? did Kean publish it? The people responsible for its disemination are the ones responsible for the defamation getting around the world. They are the ones that SA should have sought compensation from but it wouldn't be good PR if he had. . It is just more bad PR for Rovers. midas

3:24pm Tue 8 Jan 13

To.guy says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
midas wrote:
brown cow warrior wrote:
MikeD wrote:
A Darener wrote: Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.
Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.
If it was 'frivolous' then why did people who are known for being 'careful' with their money cough up a reported£200K to avoid going to court? Maybe they knew that the courts wouldn't take the same view that you do. Hopefully it will teach a certain somebody to button it in future.
Because it would cost more in lawyers fees for Rovers to continue to contest it. £15,000 to SA and costs which will not be more than a few letters, phone calls, attendance with client and perhaps advice from Counsel - say £50k tops!!
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Why Rovers feel the need to apologise when Kean was quite clearly on "a frolic of his own" and was talking in a private capacity, I don't know. I can't see how they are vicariously liable, at that time, for what Kean said.
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As for Kean, he was only repeating what many others have said (falsley) after viewing the Panorama programme.
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The people that should be liable are the ones that published the film in the first place. They are the ones that spread the defamation from a small group of individuals in Hong Kong to a worldwide audience on the web. Did this publication have any effect on Keans job? -No. Has it had an adverse effect on Rovers? - yes!
incorrect midas,

on an official club tour representing blackburn rovers. fans who released it didn't seem to be goading kean (from what i remember).

both rovers and allardyce have/had been exceptionally tight lipped on the reasons behind his departure. i assume this is because NDAs were signed. Kean, on club business, opted to ignore the terms of that NDA. i think if kean had been on a private holiday in hong kong and said what he said, it would be a different matter

don't see how the publication has had any impact on rovers apart from the settlement amount paid by the club.
True, because he was on official tour and representing the club AND he gave a representation of the owners intentions with regard to the sacking of a previous employee, Sam was able to sue both Rovers.If I did the same, our client would initially complain to my employer and they may be liable for any renumeration/compens
ation although they could then take internal action towards me afterwards. Venkys mistake was not sacking Kean in the first place. They should have taken some decent advice and heeded it.
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brown cow warrior[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Apology to Sam Alladyce from the owners on Rovers web site. Totally inadequate response to the disgraceful events in Hong Kong by Steve Kean.[/p][/quote]Disgraceful events? Come on, get a little perspective. He said Allardyce was a crook - he isn't the first person to claim it. Disgraceful was that somebody filmed a private conversation and released it onto the internet. Disgraceful is that Allardyce then sued the club (seriously - because someone called him a crook? Grow a thicker skin, man!). The club then had to pay 200K to get him to drop his frivolous lawsuit. That money comes from the supporters pockets - that's more than the gate receipts from one game.[/p][/quote]If it was 'frivolous' then why did people who are known for being 'careful' with their money cough up a reported£200K to avoid going to court? Maybe they knew that the courts wouldn't take the same view that you do. Hopefully it will teach a certain somebody to button it in future.[/p][/quote]Because it would cost more in lawyers fees for Rovers to continue to contest it. £15,000 to SA and costs which will not be more than a few letters, phone calls, attendance with client and perhaps advice from Counsel - say £50k tops!! . Why Rovers feel the need to apologise when Kean was quite clearly on "a frolic of his own" and was talking in a private capacity, I don't know. I can't see how they are vicariously liable, at that time, for what Kean said. . As for Kean, he was only repeating what many others have said (falsley) after viewing the Panorama programme. . The people that should be liable are the ones that published the film in the first place. They are the ones that spread the defamation from a small group of individuals in Hong Kong to a worldwide audience on the web. Did this publication have any effect on Keans job? -No. Has it had an adverse effect on Rovers? - yes![/p][/quote]incorrect midas, on an official club tour representing blackburn rovers. fans who released it didn't seem to be goading kean (from what i remember). both rovers and allardyce have/had been exceptionally tight lipped on the reasons behind his departure. i assume this is because NDAs were signed. Kean, on club business, opted to ignore the terms of that NDA. i think if kean had been on a private holiday in hong kong and said what he said, it would be a different matter don't see how the publication has had any impact on rovers apart from the settlement amount paid by the club.[/p][/quote]True, because he was on official tour and representing the club AND he gave a representation of the owners intentions with regard to the sacking of a previous employee, Sam was able to sue both Rovers.If I did the same, our client would initially complain to my employer and they may be liable for any renumeration/compens ation although they could then take internal action towards me afterwards. Venkys mistake was not sacking Kean in the first place. They should have taken some decent advice and heeded it. To.guy

3:31pm Tue 8 Jan 13

MxMave says...

Its a pity because the Lowe-Murphy partnership was starting to look good.
If we cant play 2 CM's then lets play a diamond!
One holding CM with one attacking CM playing behind a front 2. Seems logical enough to me.
Its a pity because the Lowe-Murphy partnership was starting to look good. If we cant play 2 CM's then lets play a diamond! One holding CM with one attacking CM playing behind a front 2. Seems logical enough to me. MxMave

5:21pm Tue 8 Jan 13

blueblooded says...

dangerous dave wrote:
Sam only did what anyone one of us would have done regarding Keans rantings/allegations - and the club have recognized this by their statement and payout - so get off your high horses!!!!!
The Mail this morning states Olsson wants Rovers to accept West Hams bid - yes like others have said previously we are being softened up by statements from the Club about no one going anywhere in readiness for some transfers out!!!!
OUT WITH SINGH SHAW AGNEW HENDRY VENKYS COAR
Isn't it funny deluded, that you are happy to accept the word of one of the worst rags in Britain without question, when they feel no need to print any retraction or apologise for getting it wrong as they inflict more damage on an already poisonous atmosphere, yet you question everything from Ewood as lies and conspiracy?

If it sounds like a Dingle, looks like a dingle..

No scrap that, even our neighbours have recently questioned the loyalty of the doom mongering absentees and its an insult to even them.
[quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: Sam only did what anyone one of us would have done regarding Keans rantings/allegations - and the club have recognized this by their statement and payout - so get off your high horses!!!!! The Mail this morning states Olsson wants Rovers to accept West Hams bid - yes like others have said previously we are being softened up by statements from the Club about no one going anywhere in readiness for some transfers out!!!! OUT WITH SINGH SHAW AGNEW HENDRY VENKYS COAR[/p][/quote]Isn't it funny deluded, that you are happy to accept the word of one of the worst rags in Britain without question, when they feel no need to print any retraction or apologise for getting it wrong as they inflict more damage on an already poisonous atmosphere, yet you question everything from Ewood as lies and conspiracy? If it sounds like a Dingle, looks like a dingle.. No scrap that, even our neighbours have recently questioned the loyalty of the doom mongering absentees and its an insult to even them. blueblooded

6:05pm Tue 8 Jan 13

rovers fanatic says...

We do not need to worry, the best right back at the club is Jordan Anderson, give him a chance
We do not need to worry, the best right back at the club is Jordan Anderson, give him a chance rovers fanatic

6:17pm Tue 8 Jan 13

fishcake 75 says...

londonrover wrote:
Mr Cryer, you are very poor. Are you a reporter, i.e. you just regurgitate what we already know or what whoever is in charge wants you to spout OR are you an investigative journalist who wants to work hard squirreling away and ruffle some feathers along the way? IMO, you are as bad as the set-up at Ewood Park. Come on, grow some!
i could not agree more come on cryer lets see you do something of your volition
[quote][p][bold]londonrover[/bold] wrote: Mr Cryer, you are very poor. Are you a reporter, i.e. you just regurgitate what we already know or what whoever is in charge wants you to spout OR are you an investigative journalist who wants to work hard squirreling away and ruffle some feathers along the way? IMO, you are as bad as the set-up at Ewood Park. Come on, grow some![/p][/quote]i could not agree more come on cryer lets see you do something of your volition fishcake 75

9:55pm Tue 8 Jan 13

stefjam says...

Harwoodstblue wrote:
A thread bare squad decimated beyond belief. One injury and no one to stand in without having to rearrange the squad, pathetic.
Lowe moving back to defence will again upset the midfield just when it showed signs of improving and cheapskate owners unwilling, it seems, to even take anyone on loan due to having to pay the wages.
Well done Bowyer for what you have done but you will find yourself working with one hand tied behind your back under our wonderful owners.
a big squad compared with mos teams, just very unbalanced !!!
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: A thread bare squad decimated beyond belief. One injury and no one to stand in without having to rearrange the squad, pathetic. Lowe moving back to defence will again upset the midfield just when it showed signs of improving and cheapskate owners unwilling, it seems, to even take anyone on loan due to having to pay the wages. Well done Bowyer for what you have done but you will find yourself working with one hand tied behind your back under our wonderful owners.[/p][/quote]a big squad compared with mos teams, just very unbalanced !!! stefjam

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