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BURNLEY COLUMN: On the buses - but derby show is no joke (From Lancashire Telegraph)
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BURNLEY COLUMN: On the buses - but derby show is no joke
10:14am Thursday 20th December 2012 in Football
By Suzanne Geldard, Burnley FC reporter
‘HOW often are we going to get treated like common hooligans’ It was a perfectly reasonable question from a perfectly reasonable Burnley shareholder and season ticket holder, but – more importantly – human being.
The query came in context during Monday’s night’s annual general meeting.
But even had it not been, everyone would have known the topic on the fan’s lips ... the regimental commute to the derby.
It is a sad indictment of flashpoints of previous fixtures that it has come to this. One in particular.
There were ugly scenes in Burnley town centre on Sunday December 17, 2000, after the Clarets had gone down 2-0 at home to Blackburn Rovers.
An ugly scene on the pitch was accused of sparking it, after Kevin Ball was sent off for an eye-wateringly high and dangerous challenge on David Dunn.
Emotions and tensions ran high in the 90 minutes, and spilled over afterwards as bottles, coins and traffic cones were thrown at police. Then when offenders were prevented from attacking coaches carrying Rovers fans, those vandals turned on the shops and trashed them, causing tens of thousands of pounds worth of damage.
There was looting, and 20 arrests, with 16 going on to face charges of public order offences.
Twelve years on, it remains fresh in the memory, particularly of the police, and the reason why away supporters can now only attend this famous feisty fixture if they travel en masse on official coaches direct from one ground to the other.
That has meant Burnley fans who live closer to Blackburn or Preston, for example, having to go miles out of their way, and vice versa, or not go at all.
Yet while this ‘bubble’ cuts out of the risk of trouble, it does not stop it completely.
During the Clarets’ Premier League season sets of rival fans planned a fight at a pub on the outskirts of Blackburn.
If someone wants trouble, they will find it.
Most people don’t, however. Yet it is the majority that are being ‘punished’ because of a few perpetrators of previous crimes. The ‘bubble’ doesn’t seem set to burst. But with the very real prospect that this derby will take place again next season (and perhaps for years to come – who knows?) then surely these restrictions cannot continue for the foreseeable future.
These measures aren’t needed for the Manchester or Merseyside derbies.
Even Cardiff and Bristol City have loosened the reins.
Perhaps familiarity doesn’t breed contempt after all.
Asked if the situation was under review, re-appointed Burnley director Clive Holt said: “It’s a real hot potato. Burnley and Blackburn is very intense, and regretfully some grown men disgrace themselves.
“It’s only a football match, albeit a very important one.
“It’s that minority that cause us all the problems.
“If everyone can control themselves, I’m sure the police would be more than happy to look at it.
“There were eight arrests in the last match, and if it stays at those levels a few more times, there are more reasons not to have all the bussing back and forwards.
“But there have been previous occasions where our fans broke windows in their own town – it’s a football match, we lost – I wasn’t happy either, but didn’t go round vandalising.
“Surely we are civilised?
“If we can prove that, things may change.”
If fans aren’t happy with the current arrangements – and so they shouldn’t be – it’s up to them to prove they can be changed.
Comments are closed on this article.

Comments (20)
10:37am Thu 20 Dec 12
merlinrabbit says...
10:38am Thu 20 Dec 12
AndyW says...
Thankfully we don't have any braindead morons like this at Rovers.
Seemingly they all moved over to the Yorkshire end of the M65.
11:25am Thu 20 Dec 12
chrssgreen says...
11:52am Thu 20 Dec 12
TodClaret says...
Lets keep the rivalry going in the ground verbally rather than physically. As much as I don't like rovers, I certainly wouldn't wish any harm on their supporters just for attending a football match.
Unfortunately there are idiots on both sides and while violence is still a threat, the proper fans will have to stay on the buses
11:54am Thu 20 Dec 12
midas says...
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Their club is being slowly destroyed by a 1000 cuts and some fans have been boycotting in protest. Well I think that the next match at Ewood should be boycotted by both sets of fans!
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What sort of message would that send out to the world of football?A few fans not turning up for Rovers v Brighton is one thing but a boycott of the East Lancs Derby would be newsworthy and send a message to owners that they have to listen to the fans.
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Let the police waste money on security that isn't needed and the club on matchday security etc then they might get the message!
12:04pm Thu 20 Dec 12
hasslem hasslem says...
our only hope is if billy smart or p.t. barnum buys us.
i understand other supporters' schadenfreude but we are a total embarrassment at the moment. what is shocking is how quickly it all imploded.
2:35pm Thu 20 Dec 12
bobinspain says...
I think genuine fans experience an inverse of schadenfreude in that they revel in the good performance of their own club.
Only the brain-dead wish ill on others and enjoy it when happens, and I don't believe they are representative of real fans.
I wish BRFC all luck (but BFC even more so). The former needs a management enema !
3:44pm Thu 20 Dec 12
merlinrabbit says...
4:00pm Thu 20 Dec 12
Blackburn fans love horses says...
There is no need for the draconian measures that the police take for our derby match - in 2005 there were two matches in the FA Cup - one at tea time on a Staurday and then the following a week later for an evening game where fans were allowed to make their own way to the stadium, and the games passed off with (relatively) little trouble.
Basically the police need to man up and attempt to do their jobs properly, stop treating decent fans like cattle and allow the oldest derby in English football some respect.
4:13pm Thu 20 Dec 12
Whydidtheybanme? says...
I would not class the idiots that turned up at the Pub for a pre-arranged fight "fans" -- they are morons.
The banter is brilliant and that's all it should be.
So, back to the banter - who reckons the trans-gender teacher from Accy is an Accy Claret? Queue the song........... :-)
4:27pm Thu 20 Dec 12
spike t says...
5:28pm Thu 20 Dec 12
Return of the Magnificent se7en says...
So the buses are to make sure you get home again instead of becoming Leroys Biatch and counting the days to your next pride festival.
8:48pm Thu 20 Dec 12
merlinrabbit says...
9:32am Fri 21 Dec 12
McClaret says...
Any fans step out of line then come down on them hard and set the example with decent sentences like the lot from the pub got.
I live in Sale and my cousin is in Darwen (Husband a Rovers fan) so you can guess my sentiments towards this policy. Rather have a pint, sunday lunch and watch the match together but I suppose the police will let 100 dic*heads ruin it for all of us!
Merry xmas to all.
1:38pm Fri 21 Dec 12
Return of the Magnificent se7en says...
2:31pm Fri 21 Dec 12
midas says...
7:03pm Fri 21 Dec 12
claret53 says...
7:03pm Fri 21 Dec 12
claret53 says...
7:03pm Fri 21 Dec 12
claret53 says...
10:57pm Fri 21 Dec 12
Burnley59/60 says...