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Berg eyes move for MacDonald
9:31am Monday 17th December 2012 in Football
By Andy Cryer, Blackburn Rovers reporter
HENNING Berg wants to bring former Aston Villa caretaker boss Kevin MacDonald to Ewood Park in a bid to help arrest Blackburn Rovers’ Championship slump.
Saturday’s 2-0 defeat at Blackpool was Rovers’ fourth loss in the last five games to leave them in 15th in the Championship, seven points adrift of the top six and 13 off the automatic promotion spots.
An under pressure Berg insisted no final decision had been made on the future of his current coaching staff last week when asked about potential imminent changes.
But the Lancashire Telegraph understands Berg’s bosses have reinforced their desire for change behind the scenes over the weekend, with assistant manager Eric Black and coach Iain Brunskill still believed to be in the firing line, as they desperately search for a solution to the club’s slide down the table.
Berg has identified 52-year-old MacDonald as a possible new assistant, with expected changes set to be finally executed in the coming days.
Former Leicester, Liverpool and Coventry midfielder MacDonald was on the coaching staff at Aston Villa between 1995 to 2012, where he enjoyed a number of roles including reserve team boss and caretaker manager.
He has also been caretaker manager at Leicester City and assistant manager at Republic of Ireland under Steve Staunton.
Berg has picked up just six points from a possible 27 since taking the reigns at Ewood Park as the frustration grows among the Ewood Park faithful.
Owners Venky’s, global advisor Shebby Singh, Berg and the players were all subjected to vocal criticism during Saturday’s defeat at Bloomfield Road – and Berg admits he understands their frustration.
He said: “I can understand the frustrations. The support from the fans before the game, in the first half and even at times in the second, they were supporting the team.
“These players are trying their best, sometimes it might not look like it, for these players to be the best they can be, they don’t get better by being booed or shouted at.
“I know it is easy for the fans to do that but these players don’t get better by that. To help the team, to help the players, get right behind them and as long as the game goes on push them, help them, do whatever you can and take your frustration out after the game.
“I understand the frustration and most of that we feel as well. The players, myself, the staff, we feel that frustration because no one is happy with the results we have had.
“At the same time we have to look at what we are doing on the pitch as well and at times some of what we are doing is quite good.”
Rovers spurned numerous opportunities as they enjoyed the better of the first half at Blackpool but a goal in each half from West Thomas and Kirk Broadfoot – and a dismal second half showing from the visitors – left Berg frustrated.
He said: “In terms of commitment and attitude, I think they are trying their best. I would have been even more disappointed if I felt the players weren’t trying.
“When you are on a bad run of course the confidence drops and then you get a little bit passive. You start doubting yourself, you don’t step forward, you step back and it looks as though you aren’t committed.
“All our players want to do the best they can every time they walk out on the pitch. I am not questioning the attitude.”
Comments(121)
J.C - Rishton
says...
10:00am Mon 17 Dec 12
Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it.
Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!!
If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.
merlinrabbit
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10:06am Mon 17 Dec 12
J.C - Rishton wrote:Frankly I found it embarrassing. It totally discredits the objections we gave towards Kean and how fans stated they would be prefer anybody as long as it wasnt him. Clearly thats not the case because in no time at all, the fans have turned again in a very short time.
Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that.
Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it.
Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!!
If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.
merlinrabbit
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10:07am Mon 17 Dec 12
GAZHAY
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10:09am Mon 17 Dec 12
When we start seeing some effort, passion, energy and common sense displayed by these overpaid individuals then we might have something to cheer about. At the moment our frustrations are simply due to the fact these players are lazy, don't seem to care less and are simply not good enough. Hope for this to all change on Saturday and I will then be cheering and enjoy my xmas turey..........but I won't hold my breath!!!!
GAZHAY
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10:10am Mon 17 Dec 12
GAZHAY wrote:Henning.
Henning. When we start seeing some effort, passion, energy and common sense displayed by these overpaid individuals then we might have something to cheer about. At the moment our frustrations are simply due to the fact these players are lazy, don't seem to care less and are simply not good enough. Hope for this to all change on Saturday and I will then be cheering and enjoy my xmas turey..........but I won't hold my breath!!!!
When we start seeing some effort, passion, energy and common sense displayed by these overpaid individuals then we might have something to cheer about. At the moment our frustrations are simply due to the fact these players are lazy, don't seem to care less and are simply not good enough. Hope for this to all change on Saturday and I will then be cheering and enjoy my xmas turkey..........but I won't hold my breath!!!!
A Darener
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10:10am Mon 17 Dec 12
A Rover 45 years and over
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10:11am Mon 17 Dec 12
blueblooded
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10:14am Mon 17 Dec 12
noddymcleod
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10:16am Mon 17 Dec 12
There is no sense whatsoever submitting Berg to abuse, whatever misgivings there may be about him.The squad we have is what he has to work with, some "promising" players are just not going to make it -Rochina, Formica.
Some expensive players, Murphy, Etuhu, Dann were signed for agents' fee more than football ability. Olsen has lost heart, Hanley isn't even Championship class and Lowe will never be better than OK.
Let's see what Berg can do in January - whether he has a free hand to choose or whether we'll be dealing mainly for others to get their percentage, or whether Vnkys are going to spend any more remains in doubt. By now even the dimmest owners - eg Venkys - must have realised they don't have the dosh to cut it in the Premiership, and even worse don't have the management structure or players to get back into the Premeirship. Rovers cannot be made into the hatchery they might have wanted it to be, buy youngsters train them up and flog them. This hasn't worked, I presume Rochina dn Formica were prototypes of that failed plan.
So any stability let alone a return to the Premiership will have to depend on good old fashioned footie management, not unlike te job Souey did for us.
Whether Venkys have the guts or brains to realise that, I doubt. Certainly that loon they employ as a global adviser hasn't and unfortunately he probably has more sway with Venkys than Berg.
It's dire but howling abuse at the players and Berg does no good.
merlinrabbit
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10:17am Mon 17 Dec 12
A Rover 45 years and over wrote:It can only be coming from Singh. Whats happened to that idiot Agnew. What is his role? pR or publicity or something? Have those two got a voice or a brain or are they shackled in a cupboard somewhere. Whereas before Kean was the main man, did all the liaison with Pune, did all the press and media, it's not Singh. Swapped one cretin for another.
Yes I agree with MerlinRabbit but it is hard to have a go at these away fans who in general have been brilliant continuoulsy going to away matches to be served up this Tosh nearly every game and in general have been supportive. This has been going on since Kean arrived, we have now had a change of Manager and it's getting worse and it is hard to keep calm. But I agree we need to give Henning a chance to ring some changes even if they seem to be being force on him, All this talk of people getting the boot but are yet still in their jobs is crazy stuff. How can the team prepare for matches under this environment. Someone is causing major problems for the club and manager by spouting off all the time.All these decisions should be discussed behind closed doors and acted upon accordingly like most clubs do.
moh
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10:17am Mon 17 Dec 12
J.C - Rishton wrote:It does not help players if they are booed. Protest and boo after the game. Also if fans can raise about 40 million odd we may be able to buy the club. Who wants to start the collection.
Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that. Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it. Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!! If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.
carlmc1
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10:20am Mon 17 Dec 12
Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are.
I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!
merlinrabbit
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10:21am Mon 17 Dec 12
noddymcleod wrote:I always thought they should have got Souness in on a short term contract till end of season. Too much money and I cant imagine him working with those lunatics and amateurs
Kean was hopeless but defiant and even cocky in his tenure, therefore I understoood the fans' abuse and eventually, much too late, it did contribute to his dismissal.
There is no sense whatsoever submitting Berg to abuse, whatever misgivings there may be about him.The squad we have is what he has to work with, some "promising" players are just not going to make it -Rochina, Formica.
Some expensive players, Murphy, Etuhu, Dann were signed for agents' fee more than football ability. Olsen has lost heart, Hanley isn't even Championship class and Lowe will never be better than OK.
Let's see what Berg can do in January - whether he has a free hand to choose or whether we'll be dealing mainly for others to get their percentage, or whether Vnkys are going to spend any more remains in doubt. By now even the dimmest owners - eg Venkys - must have realised they don't have the dosh to cut it in the Premiership, and even worse don't have the management structure or players to get back into the Premeirship. Rovers cannot be made into the hatchery they might have wanted it to be, buy youngsters train them up and flog them. This hasn't worked, I presume Rochina dn Formica were prototypes of that failed plan.
So any stability let alone a return to the Premiership will have to depend on good old fashioned footie management, not unlike te job Souey did for us.
Whether Venkys have the guts or brains to realise that, I doubt. Certainly that loon they employ as a global adviser hasn't and unfortunately he probably has more sway with Venkys than Berg.
It's dire but howling abuse at the players and Berg does no good.
MatthewCA
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10:29am Mon 17 Dec 12
we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality.
Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box.
I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.
fanny_tickler.
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10:34am Mon 17 Dec 12
Blackburn Rovers Global Advisor Shebby Singh in talks with Steve Kean about possible shock return as manager.
Blackburn Yoof
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10:34am Mon 17 Dec 12
Oh and Henning, try getting some results before having a go at the fans. it's your job to inspire the players, not ours. That's why you get paid. It's like Kean never left.
Ray Gunn
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10:34am Mon 17 Dec 12
OnePostThenTheOther
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10:36am Mon 17 Dec 12
The club is fubar'd. I'm almost relieved that I won't be able to make it to Ewood this weekend to watch them get turned over by Poyet's Brighton. This administration can't seriously expect that p!ss-poor performances typified by the Cardiff debacle, the insistence on playing Dann and Etuhu and pie-in-the-sky noises about promotion are going to get punters flooding back to Ewood.
speedie_rovers_legend
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10:37am Mon 17 Dec 12
carlmc1 wrote:You are right he is a real clown who knows fa about the game, i can just hear him now on radio lancs with this nervous laugh every time he was asked a serious question, he found it hard to answer any one question with any conviction, the guy who was in charge of the show last week did not do us any favours. Sheeby singh is a football pundit and not very good at that as well, but he should get the next flight back to Malaysia s soon as possible, there are direct flights from Manchester.
I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager.
Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are.
I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!
malkey18
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10:41am Mon 17 Dec 12
wilpshireover
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10:55am Mon 17 Dec 12
For what it is worth, given the players now available at the club, my team would be. Robinson or Kean, Henley, Hanley, Givet, Olsson: Lowe, Rochina, Formica, CKR: Vetrcovic (not sure of spelling!), Rhodes. This is a 4 4 2 set up with CKR moving forward as necessary to become 4 3 3. We do not need either Dann or Etuhu, One makes too many errors, the other races around like a headless chicken, committing fouls, and most of his passes go to the opposition. One thing is certain, Rhodes needs help up front, because he is a fantastic striker,but cant do it on his own.
Shouting abuse at the players will make no difference and it does not help, and whether Venkys own the club, or if someone else does, that is for the long term and we need to get behind the players and manager now. They are trying to do their best in a situation not of their making.
brown cow warrior
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10:57am Mon 17 Dec 12
In my view it is down to the manager to impose his ideas, motivate players, dictate tactics and win matches instead of trying to explain and excuse very poor performance both on and off the pitch.
And yes I do realise that perhaps he is not master of his and our destiny and if that is the case then it's time he said so and stopped taking the blame for you know who's shortcomings.
Time to man up and give us some honesty instead of the 'Kean speak'.
wilpshireover
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11:08am Mon 17 Dec 12
pbirty
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11:08am Mon 17 Dec 12
i cant see us getting a decent,proven manager as long as venkys and SS are still here.
if they stay(and it looks that way),then a total change in their stratergy is needed.
we should all buy Shebby singh football manager for christmas, then he can either better his football knowledge or **** up a virtual team instead of rovers.
blueblooded
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11:12am Mon 17 Dec 12
moh wrote:Unfortunately all fans get tarred with the same brush. There were a fair few that boo-ed last week but not all of us. Henning as do these over-paid misfits need to rise above it and perform. Not to mention that the boo-ing was AFTER watching 80 mins of tosh, where one of the better players Simon getting subbed, whilst the worst players Dann and that gormless giveaway Etu-who? continued to make a very average pool side look like Barca.
J.C - Rishton wrote:It does not help players if they are booed. Protest and boo after the game. Also if fans can raise about 40 million odd we may be able to buy the club. Who wants to start the collection.
Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that. Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it. Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!! If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.
1952 rover
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11:18am Mon 17 Dec 12
blueblooded
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11:19am Mon 17 Dec 12
fanny_tickler. wrote:Is fanny really your mum?
BBC Sport:
Blackburn Rovers Global Advisor Shebby Singh in talks with Steve Kean about possible shock return as manager.
And why is she ticklish?
pbirty
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11:21am Mon 17 Dec 12
Dan11
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11:25am Mon 17 Dec 12
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Every mothers aunt and their dog could see that the coaching staff was not fit for purpose, we were leaking goals too easily and we were also fading terribly late on in games on a consistent basis. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to work out that all of the blame for this did not just lie at Mr Keans door but also the incompetent coaching staff that were employed alongside him!!!
hugofakenham
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11:26am Mon 17 Dec 12
MatthewCA wrote:you lot have always had a WHINING mentality
It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.
GAZHAY
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11:27am Mon 17 Dec 12
MatthewCA wrote:Tell me how Robbo will be better????
It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.
We have seen an amount of inept performances by Robbo and a change was needed, plus he needs to lose about 2 stone as all the long range shots he gets beat by are because he is overweight. Give Kean a chance although Bunn should never have been let go.
roverinmanchstr
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11:35am Mon 17 Dec 12
merlinrabbit wrote:What??? Souness in the short term!!! Do you really think that he would work for Venky's.............
noddymcleod wrote:I always thought they should have got Souness in on a short term contract till end of season. Too much money and I cant imagine him working with those lunatics and amateurs
Kean was hopeless but defiant and even cocky in his tenure, therefore I understoood the fans' abuse and eventually, much too late, it did contribute to his dismissal.
There is no sense whatsoever submitting Berg to abuse, whatever misgivings there may be about him.The squad we have is what he has to work with, some "promising" players are just not going to make it -Rochina, Formica.
Some expensive players, Murphy, Etuhu, Dann were signed for agents' fee more than football ability. Olsen has lost heart, Hanley isn't even Championship class and Lowe will never be better than OK.
Let's see what Berg can do in January - whether he has a free hand to choose or whether we'll be dealing mainly for others to get their percentage, or whether Vnkys are going to spend any more remains in doubt. By now even the dimmest owners - eg Venkys - must have realised they don't have the dosh to cut it in the Premiership, and even worse don't have the management structure or players to get back into the Premeirship. Rovers cannot be made into the hatchery they might have wanted it to be, buy youngsters train them up and flog them. This hasn't worked, I presume Rochina dn Formica were prototypes of that failed plan.
So any stability let alone a return to the Premiership will have to depend on good old fashioned footie management, not unlike te job Souey did for us.
Whether Venkys have the guts or brains to realise that, I doubt. Certainly that loon they employ as a global adviser hasn't and unfortunately he probably has more sway with Venkys than Berg.
It's dire but howling abuse at the players and Berg does no good.
........ perhaps for thirty seconds in order to tell them to f*** off
Dan11
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11:39am Mon 17 Dec 12
GAZHAY wrote:Yes. Paul Robinson the worst keeper in the premier league last season as statistic showed- 20th out of 20. Lowest shots to saves, mainly due to his inept shot stopping. Also add to the fact his inability to command his area and inability to come for crosses. Drop him permanently and bring back Mark Bunn. He has not improved at all this season other than adding an extra stone.
MatthewCA wrote: It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.Tell me how Robbo will be better???? We have seen an amount of inept performances by Robbo and a change was needed, plus he needs to lose about 2 stone as all the long range shots he gets beat by are because he is overweight. Give Kean a chance although Bunn should never have been let go.
J.C - Rishton
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11:46am Mon 17 Dec 12
merlinrabbit wrote:fans were singing against SS and Venkys in the main - don't tell me thats not allowed either ????????????????????
J.C - Rishton wrote:Frankly I found it embarrassing. It totally discredits the objections we gave towards Kean and how fans stated they would be prefer anybody as long as it wasnt him. Clearly thats not the case because in no time at all, the fans have turned again in a very short time.
Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that.
Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it.
Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!!
If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.
?????????????????/
J.C - Rishton
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11:52am Mon 17 Dec 12
Ray Gunn wrote:Absolutely spot on
Ok!, can i start with a quote from Burgs statement...."I understand the frustration and most of that we feel as well. The players, myself, the staff"...first off you DONT feel anything like the frustration of us fans, because (1) at the end of the day you, singh, the players and the venkys can walk away from Rovers, and us fans are left to pick up the pieces, and (2) whilst us the fans are paying our hard earned money in these difficult financial times to go to games, yourself, the venkys, singh, staff and players are making money out of this. now tell me again, how the hell can you feel as frustrated as us fans?...you also state the words "when you're on a bad run"....well in my opinion a "BAD RUN" is when you've gone 1, 4, 10 or even 20 games playing poorly....this so called "BAD RUN" has gone on for over 2 year ever since the chicken farmers thought they could run a football team....them and them alone are responsible for the mess we're in....so Burg dont start saying you understand and dont start blaming us fans....if you want to blame someone, then lets see if you have the B*llocks to send an Email to your employees telling them they have ripped the heart out of an established football club....i dare you!
blueblooded
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11:56am Mon 17 Dec 12
hugofakenham wrote:Where as you lot don't have any mentality apart from paying more attention to Rovers than your own articles. Several dingle posters all weekend posting crap after crap and I come across Sean "sounds like Kean" Dyche's article bemoaning how you deserved better or whatever keano crap and guess what?
MatthewCA wrote:you lot have always had a WHINING mentality
It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.
Not a single comment. Oh how I laughed!
Sad sad inbreds. Admit it, its dull being a dingle nobody.
Tatts
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12:01pm Mon 17 Dec 12
And maybe even Liz MacDonald...
AndyW
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12:07pm Mon 17 Dec 12
GAZHAY wrote:Bunn has been proving recently why he's nowhere near ready to be a number 1 - Norwich have been winning matches, but Bunn has been poor and conceded weak goals.
MatthewCA wrote:Tell me how Robbo will be better????
It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.
We have seen an amount of inept performances by Robbo and a change was needed, plus he needs to lose about 2 stone as all the long range shots he gets beat by are because he is overweight. Give Kean a chance although Bunn should never have been let go.
I think it's a mistake to drop Robbo.
He is overweight and needs to address that as quickly as possible, but he's infinitely better than either Bunn or Kean at this stage of their careers.
Put Friedel behind the current shower in our defence and he too would look poor.
merlinrabbit
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12:09pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Blackburn Yoof wrote:I doubt he was having a go at the fans. He will have been asked about the chants. He has to respond. He could have said he didnt care about the fans like Kean did. If we are fed up with the circus and the amateurs running our club, can you imagine what its like working for them? Those players expect a professional set up. It must be demoralising dancing to the tune of people like Kean and Singh. No wonder they look so dejected. And then they get the fans on at them too!
Judging by the article it seems that it's not Berg's choice to replace his staff but 'his bosses'. Does that mean Singh? What a joke of a club we've become under Venky's.
Oh and Henning, try getting some results before having a go at the fans. it's your job to inspire the players, not ours. That's why you get paid. It's like Kean never left.
merlinrabbit
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12:12pm Mon 17 Dec 12
roverinmanchstr wrote:Erh I think I said he wouldnt work for them didnt I? Do you actually read the posts or just pick out key words?
merlinrabbit wrote:What??? Souness in the short term!!! Do you really think that he would work for Venky's.............
noddymcleod wrote:I always thought they should have got Souness in on a short term contract till end of season. Too much money and I cant imagine him working with those lunatics and amateurs
Kean was hopeless but defiant and even cocky in his tenure, therefore I understoood the fans' abuse and eventually, much too late, it did contribute to his dismissal.
There is no sense whatsoever submitting Berg to abuse, whatever misgivings there may be about him.The squad we have is what he has to work with, some "promising" players are just not going to make it -Rochina, Formica.
Some expensive players, Murphy, Etuhu, Dann were signed for agents' fee more than football ability. Olsen has lost heart, Hanley isn't even Championship class and Lowe will never be better than OK.
Let's see what Berg can do in January - whether he has a free hand to choose or whether we'll be dealing mainly for others to get their percentage, or whether Vnkys are going to spend any more remains in doubt. By now even the dimmest owners - eg Venkys - must have realised they don't have the dosh to cut it in the Premiership, and even worse don't have the management structure or players to get back into the Premeirship. Rovers cannot be made into the hatchery they might have wanted it to be, buy youngsters train them up and flog them. This hasn't worked, I presume Rochina dn Formica were prototypes of that failed plan.
So any stability let alone a return to the Premiership will have to depend on good old fashioned footie management, not unlike te job Souey did for us.
Whether Venkys have the guts or brains to realise that, I doubt. Certainly that loon they employ as a global adviser hasn't and unfortunately he probably has more sway with Venkys than Berg.
It's dire but howling abuse at the players and Berg does no good.
........ perhaps for thirty seconds in order to tell them to f*** off
merlinrabbit
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12:14pm Mon 17 Dec 12
J.C - Rishton wrote:Im not telling you anything that's allowed. I dont make the rules. Iv just had enough of the chanting at games. Its done no good whatsoever except get us fans a bad reputation and demoralise the players - Iv been told that it does from the horses mouth. Fans always think the players dont hear or arent bothered. They are. We need a different strategy though god knows what that is.
merlinrabbit wrote:fans were singing against SS and Venkys in the main - don't tell me thats not allowed either ????????????????????
J.C - Rishton wrote:Frankly I found it embarrassing. It totally discredits the objections we gave towards Kean and how fans stated they would be prefer anybody as long as it wasnt him. Clearly thats not the case because in no time at all, the fans have turned again in a very short time.
Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that.
Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it.
Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!!
If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.
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blueblooded
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12:19pm Mon 17 Dec 12
blueblooded wrote:Enjoy!
hugofakenham wrote:Where as you lot don't have any mentality apart from paying more attention to Rovers than your own articles. Several dingle posters all weekend posting crap after crap and I come across Sean "sounds like Kean" Dyche's article bemoaning how you deserved better or whatever keano crap and guess what?
MatthewCA wrote:you lot have always had a WHINING mentality
It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.
Not a single comment. Oh how I laughed!
Sad sad inbreds. Admit it, its dull being a dingle nobody.
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Nuttall Street
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12:40pm Mon 17 Dec 12
carlmc1 wrote:The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.
I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager.
Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are.
I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!
fanny_tickler.
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12:42pm Mon 17 Dec 12
blueblooded wrote:At times yes. But it's a lot more fun now we've got you lot to laugh at.
hugofakenham wrote:Where as you lot don't have any mentality apart from paying more attention to Rovers than your own articles. Several dingle posters all weekend posting crap after crap and I come across Sean "sounds like Kean" Dyche's article bemoaning how you deserved better or whatever keano crap and guess what?
MatthewCA wrote:you lot have always had a WHINING mentality
It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.
Not a single comment. Oh how I laughed!
Sad sad inbreds. Admit it, its dull being a dingle nobody.
Riverside 7
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12:44pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Answer - because he had been out of work for 12 months and didn't have any!
After his appontment I did ask the question on this forum why he had been out for so long and had been working as a TV football pundit.
The answer I got from one poster was that he had been simply waiting for the right opportunity to come along.
Trust me, if he had been any good a a manager in Norway someone would have appointed him as manager within weeks.
I am afraid that so far, Berg hasn't shown any leadership or tactical knowledge whatsoever - e.g. Rhodes continues to be completely isolated up front.
Remember, in Paul Ince's case - it was obvious to fans after a few weeks in charge that he was not the man.
Is Berg the right man - I doubt it.
Will P
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12:45pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Berg however, isn't the whole coaching staff. Berg doesn't represent whether a player is talented or not. His record so far has been poor, granted, but none of the players have an idea what's going on. Only a small minority play like they have something to go for, the rest seem to be waiting for a transfer.
Now to have that attitude, the people who you are learning from install that into them. You always learn more from someone inspiring or from someone who makes you try to bring the best out. That's what we need, coaches who will spur them on, and even if they aren't technically great, at least make them a trier. Look at Norwich, they just work hard for each other.
I don't like the formation either, I don't like 4-4-2, it's dull, predictable and most teams now can just change their style to take over the midfield. I'd go for 3-5-2 but we don't have good enough centre backs/a defensive midfielder/or midfielders to pull it off.
There aren't excuses either, if they can't find the players to bring in in january, then they are just lazy and idle. The players and coaches are out there, you can buy better players than we have even with a Venky's budget!
Where's a Qatari when we need one.
Dukes
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12:58pm Mon 17 Dec 12
VENKYS AND BERG OUT.
Sam-the-Man
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12:58pm Mon 17 Dec 12
If this guy joins us we will be served McDonalds Chicken Bergers.
wilpshireover
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1:30pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Whoever owns the club, it is only the players and manager that can change things. I reckon the manager should stop making press statements and concentrate on the team. As they say, actions speak louder than words, and that is where the fans want to see the improvemt. I personally do not care who owns the club and money is not always the answer.
Rangers appear to be using home grown players because they have no choice. Perhaps that is the route to take, have local players who want to play with pride for their own local team.
Ronaldpetercooper
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1:31pm Mon 17 Dec 12
wilpshireover
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1:37pm Mon 17 Dec 12
noddymcleod
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1:39pm Mon 17 Dec 12
I repeat, he's our best option for now. Venkys are not going to splash out on another, possibly dearer manager.
Consider this, Berg may outlast the Venkys. I reckon keeping Rovers afloat is all I am looking for at the moment.
Why do the LET persist in the joke of calling Shabby "global adviser" ? I know he calls himself that, but why is the LET adding to the laugh, it just makes us ridicilous.
I can call myself "global commentator" but does that mean everyone else should.
I'd prefer "SS who has an ill defined but influential position at Rovers based on no previous experience of running any football outfit"
wilpshireover
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1:42pm Mon 17 Dec 12
wilpshireover
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1:52pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Bill Carson
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1:52pm Mon 17 Dec 12
I was prepared to give Berg 10 games to make an impact or at least see some positive changes, sadly he has failed and his position is hopeless.
The reality is that Venkys are novice owners, Shebby Singh's inexperience is so glaringly unprofessional, that the coaching and playing staff are totally demotivated. Unfortunately Berg's arrival is too little too late.
dangerous dave
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1:56pm Mon 17 Dec 12
OUT WITH SHAW AGNEW SINGH BLACK HENDRY AND MAYBE BERG
wilpshireover
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1:57pm Mon 17 Dec 12
I think the fans would have more time for the owners if they actually attended the matches. Their absence does tend to give an impression of disinterest in the club. I don't think I have ever seen anyone in the directors box at Eood, but I might be wrong.
wilpshireover
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1:57pm Mon 17 Dec 12
I think the fans would have more time for the owners if they actually attended the matches. Their absence does tend to give an impression of disinterest in the club. I don't think I have ever seen anyone in the directors box at Eood, but I might be wrong.
wilpshireover
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2:16pm Mon 17 Dec 12
An example of this is that the players of other sides trot or run over to take corners, sometimes ours amble as if it is an effort. Says it all, I guess.
My brothers, who live and support a team in the south of England, watched the Cardif debacle on Sky, which was very embarassing. They thought Rovers lacked awareness in midfield and defence and were too predictable in the final third. They are dead right!!!!
noddymcleod
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2:17pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Angry From Accrington
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2:17pm Mon 17 Dec 12
We could operate a system of guest managers: bring in a new one every month until we get one who can achieve three successive victories then give him ( or her ) a three year contract.
bburnrover
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2:18pm Mon 17 Dec 12
We are never going to get back on track and this may sound racist but they need to stop employing foreiners and appoint someone as UK adviser who knows the game and can help Berg and get rid of Charlie Chaplin prompto.
hornbypeggy
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2:25pm Mon 17 Dec 12
english rose 1
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2:39pm Mon 17 Dec 12
hornbypeggy wrote:Fair comment. However, Berg has been left a squad with:
Folk keep saying wait until Berg brings his own players in , who the hell are we expecting, would you yourself sign for this debacle of a club , unless you was passed it or 16 year old, get real we are stuffed get the towel
a) no left back
b) no box to box midfield player
c) no natural right sided forward player
d) no attacker who can hold the ball up (ok, we have to see Best yet)
e) a lot of old, very slow, immobile, ageing players susceptible to injury
f) no decent crosser of a ball / dead ball specialist (except Pedersen - see e above !)
Kean & Venky's between them systematically got rid of all the best players we had (too numerous to mention) and all our best backroom / admin staff in order to reduce the wage bill and satisfy their 'consultants'. All this with no experience or a clue how to run a football club.
I expected Rovers to struggle this season - I even contemplated a bet that we'd get relegated, - Berg has a big task. He must be given time. Write this season off, don't get relegated, and try to kick on next season.
katrew
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2:45pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Return of the Magnificent se7en
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2:49pm Mon 17 Dec 12
english rose 1 wrote:Totally agree, these forums are getting overrun with doomongers, naysayers and the deluded. This team is nowhere near balanced and too easy to defend against. The sooner Berg gets some better players in and has a massive clear out the better for us moving forward. Square pegs in round holes at the minute. Roll on January window.
hornbypeggy wrote:Fair comment. However, Berg has been left a squad with:
Folk keep saying wait until Berg brings his own players in , who the hell are we expecting, would you yourself sign for this debacle of a club , unless you was passed it or 16 year old, get real we are stuffed get the towel
a) no left back
b) no box to box midfield player
c) no natural right sided forward player
d) no attacker who can hold the ball up (ok, we have to see Best yet)
e) a lot of old, very slow, immobile, ageing players susceptible to injury
f) no decent crosser of a ball / dead ball specialist (except Pedersen - see e above !)
Kean & Venky's between them systematically got rid of all the best players we had (too numerous to mention) and all our best backroom / admin staff in order to reduce the wage bill and satisfy their 'consultants'. All this with no experience or a clue how to run a football club.
I expected Rovers to struggle this season - I even contemplated a bet that we'd get relegated, - Berg has a big task. He must be given time. Write this season off, don't get relegated, and try to kick on next season.
hornbypeggy
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2:49pm Mon 17 Dec 12
english rose 1 wrote:I really can't see the fitness issue being as bad as people are saying . I think the problem is more of a mental one players need motivating not running into the ground. Daft as it may sound in this state I dont think Robin Van Persie would make a difference, we have managed to drag a decent striker (Jordan Rhodes ) down to a mediocre player with no service, I hate writing all this but sadly it is true in my opinion
hornbypeggy wrote:Fair comment. However, Berg has been left a squad with:
Folk keep saying wait until Berg brings his own players in , who the hell are we expecting, would you yourself sign for this debacle of a club , unless you was passed it or 16 year old, get real we are stuffed get the towel
a) no left back
b) no box to box midfield player
c) no natural right sided forward player
d) no attacker who can hold the ball up (ok, we have to see Best yet)
e) a lot of old, very slow, immobile, ageing players susceptible to injury
f) no decent crosser of a ball / dead ball specialist (except Pedersen - see e above !)
Kean & Venky's between them systematically got rid of all the best players we had (too numerous to mention) and all our best backroom / admin staff in order to reduce the wage bill and satisfy their 'consultants'. All this with no experience or a clue how to run a football club.
I expected Rovers to struggle this season - I even contemplated a bet that we'd get relegated, - Berg has a big task. He must be given time. Write this season off, don't get relegated, and try to kick on next season.
Return of the Magnificent se7en
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2:50pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Nuttall Street wrote:Just thought I'd let you know, he's gone and he aint coming back.
carlmc1 wrote:The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.
I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager.
Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are.
I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!
Return of the Magnificent se7en
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2:57pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Nuttall Street wrote:Also, I think that the word outstanding is stretching it a bit on your part. Steady yes, outstanding never. He has won nothing, ever except maybe the most throw ins during a game award or longest hoof., most stupid goal celebration with Okocha that must be taking pride of place in the trophy cabinet.
carlmc1 wrote:The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.
I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager.
Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are.
I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!
Return of the Magnificent se7en
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3:03pm Mon 17 Dec 12
hornbypeggy wrote:Nah mate you must have had your head in the sand for 2 years, everyone on here knows that Rovers play best when you boo the arse off them from the very first minute to the last, I mean look at where we are after 2 years booing our own. Blinding thats what they need, grinding down and breaking thats what the protests were all about. Also maybe the stay away 10000 who were going to come back when Kean had gone saw Jake Keans name on the team sheet and thought he was now playing in goal. Can someone tell them that its not the same Kean.
english rose 1 wrote:I really can't see the fitness issue being as bad as people are saying . I think the problem is more of a mental one players need motivating not running into the ground. Daft as it may sound in this state I dont think Robin Van Persie would make a difference, we have managed to drag a decent striker (Jordan Rhodes ) down to a mediocre player with no service, I hate writing all this but sadly it is true in my opinion
hornbypeggy wrote:Fair comment. However, Berg has been left a squad with:
Folk keep saying wait until Berg brings his own players in , who the hell are we expecting, would you yourself sign for this debacle of a club , unless you was passed it or 16 year old, get real we are stuffed get the towel
a) no left back
b) no box to box midfield player
c) no natural right sided forward player
d) no attacker who can hold the ball up (ok, we have to see Best yet)
e) a lot of old, very slow, immobile, ageing players susceptible to injury
f) no decent crosser of a ball / dead ball specialist (except Pedersen - see e above !)
Kean & Venky's between them systematically got rid of all the best players we had (too numerous to mention) and all our best backroom / admin staff in order to reduce the wage bill and satisfy their 'consultants'. All this with no experience or a clue how to run a football club.
I expected Rovers to struggle this season - I even contemplated a bet that we'd get relegated, - Berg has a big task. He must be given time. Write this season off, don't get relegated, and try to kick on next season.
Rover Pete
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3:42pm Mon 17 Dec 12
If he cannot get them to perform reasonably then they must be crap. For goodness sake put all this weeks training into keeping a clean sheet. Play 4 at the back and 3 defensive midfielders in front of them. Forget attractive football, build up the confidnce with a solid performance and clean sheet and in a few weks build from that - hopefully with a few stronger defenive players.
Another thought - Singh will suggest changing the backroom staff as he picked Berg so his job is on the line if he admited he had made a mistakeabout him.
blueblooded
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3:52pm Mon 17 Dec 12
fanny_tickler. wrote:Laugh away my sad little Jonny nobody.
blueblooded wrote:At times yes. But it's a lot more fun now we've got you lot to laugh at.
hugofakenham wrote:Where as you lot don't have any mentality apart from paying more attention to Rovers than your own articles. Several dingle posters all weekend posting crap after crap and I come across Sean "sounds like Kean" Dyche's article bemoaning how you deserved better or whatever keano crap and guess what?
MatthewCA wrote:you lot have always had a WHINING mentality
It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.
Not a single comment. Oh how I laughed!
Sad sad inbreds. Admit it, its dull being a dingle nobody.
No-one can hear you in turdley anyway.. Or more to the point, no-ones listening.
Even in our most dire of predicaments, I still thank the lord I'm not a Bonleh "supporter" spending my life on concentrating on an arch rival than your own.
Truly pitiful.
kenbro
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4:20pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Roque Santa Cruz is still at Manchester City drawing a huge wage and never playing, because he has a contract. Are we in the same boat ?
fanny_tickler.
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4:33pm Mon 17 Dec 12
blueblooded wrote:I get the feeling it's squeaky bum for the Rovers.
fanny_tickler. wrote:Laugh away my sad little Jonny nobody.
blueblooded wrote:At times yes. But it's a lot more fun now we've got you lot to laugh at.
hugofakenham wrote:Where as you lot don't have any mentality apart from paying more attention to Rovers than your own articles. Several dingle posters all weekend posting crap after crap and I come across Sean "sounds like Kean" Dyche's article bemoaning how you deserved better or whatever keano crap and guess what?
MatthewCA wrote:you lot have always had a WHINING mentality
It seems to be one word after the blackpool game - Unlucky. we played good football, players need to make a wining mentality. Set free kicks - Our defence did not mark the man in our box. I feel the starting 11 was good, one change Robbo will be better. Give rest to Dann also.
Not a single comment. Oh how I laughed!
Sad sad inbreds. Admit it, its dull being a dingle nobody.
No-one can hear you in turdley anyway.. Or more to the point, no-ones listening.
Even in our most dire of predicaments, I still thank the lord I'm not a Bonleh "supporter" spending my life on concentrating on an arch rival than your own.
Truly pitiful.
owd nick
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4:39pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Listened to the game on the radio, the second half was appauling, what it was like for the poor sods who paid their hard earned cash for tickets is anybody's guess.
Berg doesn't stand a chance really.
The whole club from fans, players to backroom staff have been poisoned by Venky's ineptitude and Kean's mismanagement over the last two years, yet still it goes on and on, and on.
In the transcript of Shebby's forum last week it is pretty clear, when talking about resolving financial issues it was "WE are sorting them out", yet when talking about potential new players it was "I am sorting them out".
Why is a so called "Global Adviser" LOL, failed TV pundit and all round clown who knows as much about football as a dead frog, deciding what players Rovers will have?
What a shambles, and I am being extremely polite.
maltaman
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4:51pm Mon 17 Dec 12
forever blue and white
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4:53pm Mon 17 Dec 12
dangerous dave wrote:Dangerous Dave. **** off. You are a ***
Just listened to Berg on Radio Lancs he says the games against Blackpool Cardiff Millwall were pretty even - must have been at different games to me - we lacked in every department but mostly in defence - beginning to 'sound a bit like Kean'!!!!!
OUT WITH SHAW AGNEW SINGH BLACK HENDRY AND MAYBE BERG
dangerous dave
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5:04pm Mon 17 Dec 12
forever blue and white wrote:With the king of remarks and language you come out with you are obviously an under educated person that needs counseling in anger management!!!
dangerous dave wrote:Dangerous Dave. **** off. You are a ***
Just listened to Berg on Radio Lancs he says the games against Blackpool Cardiff Millwall were pretty even - must have been at different games to me - we lacked in every department but mostly in defence - beginning to 'sound a bit like Kean'!!!!!
OUT WITH SHAW AGNEW SINGH BLACK HENDRY AND MAYBE BERG
roverfor60years
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5:04pm Mon 17 Dec 12
I said at the time John Williams had his contract terminated - to satisfy the avarice of Agent Anderson who wanted him out of the way to fulfil his sinister plan - that Venky's would live to rue the day. That day is here.
My thoughts on what is wrong at Ewood are well documented and I have no reason to go through them all again. Suffice to say EVERYTHING is wrong from top to bottom. It is pointless calling for Venky’s to go, or for a new manager to be appointed. Where will we be then?
It appears Venky’s are here to stay – for the foreseeable future, anyway. Mrs Desai and the Rao brothers have that future, perhaps our very existence as we know it, in the palm of their hands and in my view they can make only one decision that will save us – reappoint John Williams and Tom Finn, whatever it takes to do it.
I know many will say ‘not a chance’. But they have GOT to make it happen. John knows this club inside out. He knows a lot of what has happened and what he doesn’t know he will quickly find out from past and present members of staff. And Venky’s will need to lay bare their souls, be open with him and fully explain why they have acted with such folly for so long.
If they cannot do it themselves, get someone to do it for them. Someone with heart and soul in the club who could sit down and tempt John and Tom back - on their terms. Maybe Robert Coar, ex-directors or chairmen, Ian Battersby, Wayne Wild, anyone who could broker it. Anyone.
John will know immediately what needs to be done. Venky’s must put their trust in him, back his decisions and give him complete authority to rebuild our once-proud club as fast as he can and restore the stability we once enjoyed.
That one decision – which would be their only correct one in two years of carnage – would set us on the road to recovery. I doubt anyone else could do it.
If Venky’s cannot pull it off, heaven help us.
philmoulden
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5:30pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Ray Gunn wrote:good quotes .
Ok!, can i start with a quote from Burgs statement...."I understand the frustration and most of that we feel as well. The players, myself, the staff"...first off you DONT feel anything like the frustration of us fans, because (1) at the end of the day you, singh, the players and the venkys can walk away from Rovers, and us fans are left to pick up the pieces, and (2) whilst us the fans are paying our hard earned money in these difficult financial times to go to games, yourself, the venkys, singh, staff and players are making money out of this. now tell me again, how the hell can you feel as frustrated as us fans?...you also state the words "when you're on a bad run"....well in my opinion a "BAD RUN" is when you've gone 1, 4, 10 or even 20 games playing poorly....this so called "BAD RUN" has gone on for over 2 year ever since the chicken farmers thought they could run a football team....them and them alone are responsible for the mess we're in....so Burg dont start saying you understand and dont start blaming us fans....if you want to blame someone, then lets see if you have the B*llocks to send an Email to your employees telling them they have ripped the heart out of an established football club....i dare you!
i salute those fans whom have been giving the team and manager their whole hearted support since dirt bag kean went . we are on an awful run of results yet many fans home and away still spend their hard earned money and the vocal support has been fantastic . I cannot understand the quotes from the manager as you RIGHTLY point out ,they could NEVER understand . What DO they really expect with performance after performance like at present , will they enjoy christmas if beaten by brighton ,sure they will , ive been in a state of depression since the farmers took over Rovers . Im still hanging on hoping berg pulls something out of the bag come jan just to give us a real hope of salvaging something from this season , dont EVER knock those loyal fans for giving you a bad time ,,you ALL deserve it . Pull your fingers out and perform , thats ALL were asking .
Again all those fans singing their hearts out and putting up with the sh!te dished up
I SALUTE EVERY ONE OF YOU .
eddie the eagle
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5:34pm Mon 17 Dec 12
What sort of club discusess appointing people before removing those in situ,lets get professional.
J.C - Rishton
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6:13pm Mon 17 Dec 12
kenbro wrote:No RSC is on season long loan at Malaga - currently 4th in La Liga.
We definitely need to clean out a load of deadwood. However, these deadwoods have contracts and who will take them off our hands at their inflated wages ?
Roque Santa Cruz is still at Manchester City drawing a huge wage and never playing, because he has a contract. Are we in the same boat ?
Last season he was at Real Betis where he became a firm fans favorite.
Harwoodstblue
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6:14pm Mon 17 Dec 12
J.C - Rishton wrote:Superb post and absolutely correct.
Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that.
Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it.
Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!!
If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.
maltese blue n white
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6:43pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Ewood say that!
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7:18pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Dan11 wrote:The chosen incoming manager should have been someone who had a reliable backroom team ready to come with him straightaway! Rovers were desperate for someone with experience who could hit the ground running, but we got the cheaper option and someone with no real managerial expertise at all and certainly no backroom team.
Berg should have insisted on this when he took the job. He has wasted however many weeks with a sub standard coaching staff, and allowed our league position and status to fall to such an extent that now automatic promotion is beyond us. The only way we can go up now is to somehow turn this around, get in the play offs and win in the lottery of the play offs. Pretty unlikely.
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Every mothers aunt and their dog could see that the coaching staff was not fit for purpose, we were leaking goals too easily and we were also fading terribly late on in games on a consistent basis. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to work out that all of the blame for this did not just lie at Mr Keans door but also the incompetent coaching staff that were employed alongside him!!!
If we get beat on Saturday then we are facing a battle not to get drawn into the relegation mire.As for the long term future of the club,if we don't improve massively in the second half of the season then we could be facing gates of around 8,000 next year!!,
Stone Island:
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7:19pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Or maybe that's why such an inexperienced manager was chosen in the first place? Maybe that is also the reason why more than one perspective manager, ruled THEMSELVES OUT of the job?
kenbro
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7:19pm Mon 17 Dec 12
J.C - Rishton wrote:Correct JC but it doesn't change my point. No one can afford RSC's high wages that's why he has gone out on loan and not been transferred. . But what club would take the deadwood off our hands ? We have some old, slow players on high wages and long contracts. It will be tough to move them out.
kenbro wrote: We definitely need to clean out a load of deadwood. However, these deadwoods have contracts and who will take them off our hands at their inflated wages ? Roque Santa Cruz is still at Manchester City drawing a huge wage and never playing, because he has a contract. Are we in the same boat ?No RSC is on season long loan at Malaga - currently 4th in La Liga. Last season he was at Real Betis where he became a firm fans favorite.
leitchy
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7:37pm Mon 17 Dec 12
That is not helping the team and in the 1st half we played well, we just needed to support the team better and maybe things could of been different....the players instantly looked nervous and clearly no confidence and then to make things worse the fans started to shout at them,...
Well done fans!!
BJS
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7:42pm Mon 17 Dec 12
One last thing. Gates at Ewood will only improve if and when the team start winning matches. Football fans in general are fickle and it is a matter of fact that gates go up when teams are winning games. Rovers have been losing far too many games for fans to come flocking back. A run of wins (joke) would go an awful long way to putting more bums on seats.
Rovers75
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7:45pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Harwoodstblue wrote:That post from J.C should be printed onto a mahooosive banner and hung from the Darwen End for all to see.
J.C - Rishton wrote:Superb post and absolutely correct.
Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that.
Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it.
Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!!
If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.
Bazzer
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7:46pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:Foresight, not hindsight. Even MOTD2 was in loud praise of a real manager last night after a cobbled team shut out WBA. Something you have no idea about and constantly demonstrate; along with a few other noted fools. I even clocked three of the original "Big Sam Out" intelligentsia booing and calling for Bergs head on Saturday. No wonder our stock as "supporters" is dwindling.
Nuttall Street wrote:Just thought I'd let you know, he's gone and he aint coming back.carlmc1 wrote: I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.
jonjonweatherman
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7:51pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Nurseman
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7:56pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Let us not forget that the OWNERS have done more for poor relations than anything said by fans, even the bad ones, of which there are few
jonjonweatherman
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8:11pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Stone Island:
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8:36pm Mon 17 Dec 12
jonjonweatherman wrote:No, that was Neil McDonald.
Wasn't Kevin McDonald Sam Allardyce's assistant manager when Venkys took over?
merlinrabbit
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8:40pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Ray Gunn wrote:it's Berg not Burg
Ok!, can i start with a quote from Burgs statement...."I understand the frustration and most of that we feel as well. The players, myself, the staff"...first off you DONT feel anything like the frustration of us fans, because (1) at the end of the day you, singh, the players and the venkys can walk away from Rovers, and us fans are left to pick up the pieces, and (2) whilst us the fans are paying our hard earned money in these difficult financial times to go to games, yourself, the venkys, singh, staff and players are making money out of this. now tell me again, how the hell can you feel as frustrated as us fans?...you also state the words "when you're on a bad run"....well in my opinion a "BAD RUN" is when you've gone 1, 4, 10 or even 20 games playing poorly....this so called "BAD RUN" has gone on for over 2 year ever since the chicken farmers thought they could run a football team....them and them alone are responsible for the mess we're in....so Burg dont start saying you understand and dont start blaming us fans....if you want to blame someone, then lets see if you have the B*llocks to send an Email to your employees telling them they have ripped the heart out of an established football club....i dare you!
merlinrabbit
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8:46pm Mon 17 Dec 12
BJS wrote:Has it occurred to you that the players might feel so demoralised by the farcical events at Ewood, by the outrageous owners and management structure, by the ludicrous statements of Singh that they are simply as naffed off as us? They have to work under that lot everyday. They probably have that idiot Singh in the dressing room before the games and on the training field telling them what to do. Its all well and good saying they get paid a lot or they are professional but it doesnt help when you work somewhere with people above who know nothing about what they are doing. believe me I know from first hand experience. It makes you miserable and all you can think about is moving on.
Criticising the fans just won't wash. Any team, I don't care who they are, has to give the fans a reason to get behind them. It is very difficult to shout your team on when nothing is happening for them to get excited about. There doesn't seem to be any real connection between the club and the players these days, hence the lack of passion and commitment, and Venkys and their farcical decisions for the last 2 years are entirely to blame.
One last thing. Gates at Ewood will only improve if and when the team start winning matches. Football fans in general are fickle and it is a matter of fact that gates go up when teams are winning games. Rovers have been losing far too many games for fans to come flocking back. A run of wins (joke) would go an awful long way to putting more bums on seats.
Dr Zinc
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8:49pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Do not reflect this back onto fans that have travelled and paid good money to watch that listless, insipid display you and your chumps put out on Saturday
If that is all the players can give!
If that is their maximum effort !
You should all pack the game in as you should not be called professionals
I have been watching football for 35 years, Believe me I know when players are trying or not
If you want an example of a player going through the motions; Etuhu epitomises perfectly
The man looks like he out for a stroll after a large dinner and a good smoke!
It is right through the team, including management,
when you look towards the bench and Berg, a lone figure in front of a clueless back room staff is still stood there without making a change, the clock ticking by at 2-0 down, the players going through the motions, still no change…and then Mr Berg you take of an attacking player who was the best player in the first half and leave Etuhu on his afternoon stroll!
Genius tactics Berg, really effective
That is why the fans get angry.. 2 years of dross and as for as I’m concerned football for fans is all about letting steam off and voicing their opinion, they pay their money to do so
Return of the Magnificent se7en
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9:20pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Bazzer wrote:So he's coming back then?
Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:Foresight, not hindsight. Even MOTD2 was in loud praise of a real manager last night after a cobbled team shut out WBA. Something you have no idea about and constantly demonstrate; along with a few other noted fools. I even clocked three of the original "Big Sam Out" intelligentsia booing and calling for Bergs head on Saturday. No wonder our stock as "supporters" is dwindling.
Nuttall Street wrote:Just thought I'd let you know, he's gone and he aint coming back.carlmc1 wrote: I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.
P888HOW
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9:43pm Mon 17 Dec 12
GAZHAY wrote:I was at Bloomfield road saturday, and what was plain to see,rovers couldnt keep the ball or run very far with it ,and how slow they are. who is coaching the team ,the blame has got to come there.wtf.
GAZHAY wrote:Henning.
Henning. When we start seeing some effort, passion, energy and common sense displayed by these overpaid individuals then we might have something to cheer about. At the moment our frustrations are simply due to the fact these players are lazy, don't seem to care less and are simply not good enough. Hope for this to all change on Saturday and I will then be cheering and enjoy my xmas turey..........but I won't hold my breath!!!!
When we start seeing some effort, passion, energy and common sense displayed by these overpaid individuals then we might have something to cheer about. At the moment our frustrations are simply due to the fact these players are lazy, don't seem to care less and are simply not good enough. Hope for this to all change on Saturday and I will then be cheering and enjoy my xmas turkey..........but I won't hold my breath!!!!
Bazzer
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10:42pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:Coming back? He hasn't stopped laughing yet!
Bazzer wrote:So he's coming back then?Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:Foresight, not hindsight. Even MOTD2 was in loud praise of a real manager last night after a cobbled team shut out WBA. Something you have no idea about and constantly demonstrate; along with a few other noted fools. I even clocked three of the original "Big Sam Out" intelligentsia booing and calling for Bergs head on Saturday. No wonder our stock as "supporters" is dwindling.Nuttall Street wrote:Just thought I'd let you know, he's gone and he aint coming back.carlmc1 wrote: I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.
French Rover
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11:05pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Kiwihead
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11:21pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Tatts wrote:Don't joke...my source at Ewood confirmed Shebby was after a meeting with Liz.
I think Ronald MacDonald could have done a better job of coaching our players this season. And maybe even Liz MacDonald...
owd nick
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11:36pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Kiwihead wrote:She would eat him alive, useless tosser.
Tatts wrote:Don't joke...my source at Ewood confirmed Shebby was after a meeting with Liz.
I think Ronald MacDonald could have done a better job of coaching our players this season. And maybe even Liz MacDonald...
cactus rover
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3:06am Tue 18 Dec 12
whappen
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5:41am Tue 18 Dec 12
moh wrote:Venkys bought the club for £21m, sold all its main assets, increased losses over two years by about 700%, income has fallen by about 40% this year - over 90% next - whilst retaining a highly paid staff and still the same amount in debt (despite saying this would be reduced).
J.C - Rishton wrote: Not that old chesnut Henning please - don't try to turn it back on the fans - we were WOEFUL in that 2nd half and no sugar coating by you can change that. Some of those players are NOT fit to wear our shirt - they take huge wages and then consistantly UNDER PERFORM - that might be acceptable to you Henning but we have had 2 years of it and we are sick of it. Those fans who went on Saturday and who sang those anti SS, Venky and player songs were RIGHT to do so - if you or they don't like it then get them to perform !!! If Venkys or SS don't like then they can GIVE (yes GIVE) the club to the fans and walk away - the club is WORTHLESS now and they have not put 1 single penny into the club so I defy anyone to tell me how US, the fans can do any worse with no money then that shower who have put NO MONEY into the club.It does not help players if they are booed. Protest and boo after the game. Also if fans can raise about 40 million odd we may be able to buy the club. Who wants to start the collection.
Why has the business almost doubled in value?
jonjonweatherman
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8:12am Tue 18 Dec 12
Nuttall Street
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9:00am Tue 18 Dec 12
Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:BFS was outstanding in the context of Blackburn Rovers and in comparison to those weary souls who have succeeded him he could walk on water!
Nuttall Street wrote:Also, I think that the word outstanding is stretching it a bit on your part. Steady yes, outstanding never. He has won nothing, ever except maybe the most throw ins during a game award or longest hoof., most stupid goal celebration with Okocha that must be taking pride of place in the trophy cabinet.
carlmc1 wrote:The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.
I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager.
Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are.
I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!
Nuttall Street
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9:05am Tue 18 Dec 12
A Darener
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9:47am Tue 18 Dec 12
Nuttall Street wrote:As long as somebody has experience!
If this character McDonald joins then the assistant manager will have more management experience than Berg! There' s a strange state of affairs.
fanny_tickler.
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9:49am Tue 18 Dec 12
Nuttall Street wrote:Ronald McDonald would have more managerial experience than Berg.
If this character McDonald joins then the assistant manager will have more management experience than Berg! There' s a strange state of affairs.
MxMave
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3:47pm Tue 18 Dec 12
At the end of the day what do you expect when you take a good premier league club, turn them into a team which tbh, I wouldnt fancy against a division 2 club and then say "how dare you complain, sit through the match and enjoy it, then vent your frustration when the players and manager have left the pitch". Dream world Berg. Either results improve or BRFC will be playing to 5k fans next year.
owd nick
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4:17pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Nuttall Street wrote:Lets not forget BFS wanted away and pre Venky's John Williams had to beg him to stay.
Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:BFS was outstanding in the context of Blackburn Rovers and in comparison to those weary souls who have succeeded him he could walk on water!
Nuttall Street wrote:Also, I think that the word outstanding is stretching it a bit on your part. Steady yes, outstanding never. He has won nothing, ever except maybe the most throw ins during a game award or longest hoof., most stupid goal celebration with Okocha that must be taking pride of place in the trophy cabinet.
carlmc1 wrote:The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.
I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager.
Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are.
I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!
At least Man U got a couple of easy wins just in time to kick start their seasons as usual.
owd nick
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5:44pm Tue 18 Dec 12
MxMave wrote:I have read Bergs comments several times and I don't interpret them as you do.
Looks like Henning is reverting to the Steve Kean approach, blame the fans. This is absolutely ridiculous, listening to Radio Lancs and Football League show both pundit teams said how woeful we were, not even looking threatening. The chants I heard were about shebby, "your not fit to wear that shirt" and "we want our rovers back", I fail to see how that is anti-berg and he we've returned to the Kean realms of abuse.
At the end of the day what do you expect when you take a good premier league club, turn them into a team which tbh, I wouldnt fancy against a division 2 club and then say "how dare you complain, sit through the match and enjoy it, then vent your frustration when the players and manager have left the pitch". Dream world Berg. Either results improve or BRFC will be playing to 5k fans next year.
Nothing that has happened over the last couple of years is Bergs fault, and all he appears to be asking is for the fans to get behind the players while the game is being played.
Anyone who attended the games against Chelsea, West Brom and Bolton last season will have seen how badly the bile raining down from the stands affected the players.
In my honest opinion they never recovered from that and it played a part in us being relegated.
Supporters are supposed to support and while I agree that there are several players currently at Ewood who are definitely not fit to wear the shirt, the time to tell them is after the game, not during.
I am not getting at the fans, I am one myself, and what has happened at our club, is still happening, is an absolute nightmare, but we fans, all of us who really care about Rovers, really do need to put our feelings about Venky's, Kean and the odious Shebby to one side on Saturday, get behind Berg and the team whatever is happening until the final whistle at least.
The atmosphere at Ewood is appauling these days, the only people who can change that is the fans.
madrover
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6:50pm Tue 18 Dec 12
owd nick wrote:bang on mate the once great atmosphere has all but disappeared . i really want Berg to do well but drastic action is needed fast
MxMave wrote:I have read Bergs comments several times and I don't interpret them as you do.
Looks like Henning is reverting to the Steve Kean approach, blame the fans. This is absolutely ridiculous, listening to Radio Lancs and Football League show both pundit teams said how woeful we were, not even looking threatening. The chants I heard were about shebby, "your not fit to wear that shirt" and "we want our rovers back", I fail to see how that is anti-berg and he we've returned to the Kean realms of abuse.
At the end of the day what do you expect when you take a good premier league club, turn them into a team which tbh, I wouldnt fancy against a division 2 club and then say "how dare you complain, sit through the match and enjoy it, then vent your frustration when the players and manager have left the pitch". Dream world Berg. Either results improve or BRFC will be playing to 5k fans next year.
Nothing that has happened over the last couple of years is Bergs fault, and all he appears to be asking is for the fans to get behind the players while the game is being played.
Anyone who attended the games against Chelsea, West Brom and Bolton last season will have seen how badly the bile raining down from the stands affected the players.
In my honest opinion they never recovered from that and it played a part in us being relegated.
Supporters are supposed to support and while I agree that there are several players currently at Ewood who are definitely not fit to wear the shirt, the time to tell them is after the game, not during.
I am not getting at the fans, I am one myself, and what has happened at our club, is still happening, is an absolute nightmare, but we fans, all of us who really care about Rovers, really do need to put our feelings about Venky's, Kean and the odious Shebby to one side on Saturday, get behind Berg and the team whatever is happening until the final whistle at least.
The atmosphere at Ewood is appauling these days, the only people who can change that is the fans.
Bazzer
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8:57pm Tue 18 Dec 12
owd nick wrote:Have not nearly all our managers wanted away?
Nuttall Street wrote:Lets not forget BFS wanted away and pre Venky's John Williams had to beg him to stay. At least Man U got a couple of easy wins just in time to kick start their seasons as usual.Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:BFS was outstanding in the context of Blackburn Rovers and in comparison to those weary souls who have succeeded him he could walk on water!Nuttall Street wrote:Also, I think that the word outstanding is stretching it a bit on your part. Steady yes, outstanding never. He has won nothing, ever except maybe the most throw ins during a game award or longest hoof., most stupid goal celebration with Okocha that must be taking pride of place in the trophy cabinet.carlmc1 wrote: I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.
owd nick
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11:35pm Tue 18 Dec 12
Bazzer wrote:Yes but I can't ever remember anyone but Lardarse touting himself around Europe, the middle east, etc;etc.
owd nick wrote:Have not nearly all our managers wanted away?
Nuttall Street wrote:Lets not forget BFS wanted away and pre Venky's John Williams had to beg him to stay. At least Man U got a couple of easy wins just in time to kick start their seasons as usual.Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:BFS was outstanding in the context of Blackburn Rovers and in comparison to those weary souls who have succeeded him he could walk on water!Nuttall Street wrote:Also, I think that the word outstanding is stretching it a bit on your part. Steady yes, outstanding never. He has won nothing, ever except maybe the most throw ins during a game award or longest hoof., most stupid goal celebration with Okocha that must be taking pride of place in the trophy cabinet.carlmc1 wrote: I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager. Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are. I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!The biggest mistake Venkys have made at the club is firing an outstanding manager, BFS, who Rovers we lucky to have.
I suspect he knew that the Walkers were not going to support the club and he wanted out before it ruined his CV.
Wouldn't surprise me if he engineered his sacking once Venky's took over, nice big fat paycheck, the hero worship (blubbering) of accept anything fans like Mullen, and walk into another job.
He is millions in pocket, we are paupers, that's why I hate him and what he did to us.
If he had the balls to stand up to Venky's we may not be in the mess we are in now.
Roverthere
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6:27am Wed 19 Dec 12
carlmc1 wrote:The biggest mistake was firing Sam. Although I doubt he would have put up with these fools for long!
I have to say that the biggest mistake the owners have made since they arrived is no longer appointing Steve Kean as manager.
Step forward and take the award please Mr Shebby Singh. I have never heard anyone talk such nonsense in all my life and we have him at the helm, making the decisions and telling us how good things are.
I can just see him now with his tracksuit on telling the players were they went wrong on Saturday. No wonder the players look like they aren't interested, they are being looked after and ridiculed by a buffoon!
Roverthere
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6:49am Wed 19 Dec 12
BJS wrote:Players are paid massive wages, it's the fans that pay them ultimately. If a player cannot accept abuse and being critisised they should stop playing, retire or leave. I would take the good and the bad for a lot less than 30,000 per week!
Criticising the fans just won't wash. Any team, I don't care who they are, has to give the fans a reason to get behind them. It is very difficult to shout your team on when nothing is happening for them to get excited about. There doesn't seem to be any real connection between the club and the players these days, hence the lack of passion and commitment, and Venkys and their farcical decisions for the last 2 years are entirely to blame.
One last thing. Gates at Ewood will only improve if and when the team start winning matches. Football fans in general are fickle and it is a matter of fact that gates go up when teams are winning games. Rovers have been losing far too many games for fans to come flocking back. A run of wins (joke) would go an awful long way to putting more bums on seats.
AndyW
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12:41pm Wed 19 Dec 12
merlinrabbit says...
9:51am Mon 17 Dec 12