Berg calls for Blackburn Rovers not to panic (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:
The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball.
We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down.
Bye Mr Berg.

Mr Purple wrote:
You're starting to sound like Kean Henning. Do yourself a favour and get rid of Hendry et al and get your own men in. If you accepted this job on the understanding that you would not make any backroom changes (to save Venky's money) then you are a fool and you are now reaping the rewards of becoming part of the problem rather than solving it. I hope that you sent that half ar5ed lazy shower of feck wits on a run over the moors until midnight and again all day Saturday. The players are taking the p1ss and they need a rocket up their ar5es. Everytime they lose run them 50k until they spew. That will buck thier ideas up!

Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:
The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball. We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down. Bye Mr Berg.

bigste wrote:
Dann is a liability and will always give the opposition the odd bloomer while Hanley may sometimes lack experience his heart is in the right place. I would certainly be playing Givet instead of Dann.

blueblooded wrote:
tight and even?

We got stomped on in the first half and near the end they were scoring for fun!

Found the Kean book of positives did you Henning?

I'd rather you kept with telling it straight as you did on Friday night personally.

Will P wrote:
To be fair to be Berg, Kean never ever said a team were better than his team all over the pitch, he used to say how we played well for 3 minutes against a good team. The players who are showing the most desire and willingness seem to be the younger boys. I think King has been a really good asset so far, he fought for everything and was never afraid to take on a man or 2.

Robinson is going in Jan so I do hope that Friedel does sign for us, he is still fantastic at 41. Another rumour starting is that we want to sign Wilson Palacios? I mean that would be a phenomenal signing but not quite sure that one will happen. If it does it'll be another loan. None the less, our midfield would already go up a few notches with him in there.

If Southampton offer £6m for Dann, then take it and run, some good Spanish/Italian defenders are out there at a good price and much lower wages than English players. Technically better too. There are better defenders than Dann and Hanley out there, sorry.

fanny_tickler. wrote:
Magnificent effort Agent Berg. Keep them calm and carry on.

stephenrover wrote:
Nuno Enrique, Diogo Rosado, where are you??

Can't help but think that Berg has been shafted by the gradual establishment of a WEIRD squad and an appalling set of coaching staff.

Our attacking football *gulp* was good against Cardiff (obviously taking poor finishing out of the equation, which is symptomatic of the wider issues at our club). But our defense and centre mid needs some investment.

Palacios would be ideal, and we should look to bag a good centre half from a lesser championship side.

Also, get Hendry the **** out of here.

MatthewCA wrote:
As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit,

Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen

) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25.

Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well.

I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes.

My team for blackpool game.

Robbo
Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol

lson
Formica,Murphy,Enthu

,King
Kazim,Rhodes.

Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe

,Dunn,
Pedersen,Rochina,Gom

es.

Work on Corners and free kicks.
Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center.

All the best.

MatthewCA wrote:
Kazim and King are the only hungry players in the team - Both are in loan.

Blackburn Players are taken easy and sleepy in Blackburn.

Owners also feed with new HENs. Confused Club.

Long time Rover wrote:
One specific thought that occurs, Is Robbo really a good keeper? Great guy to have around but ? Thought his positioning was very poor again on Friday and some of his save attempts looked like they were gestures almost. Im prepared to accept Im wrong from those who see him more often than I do but if Im right then its a big problem that needs sorting.

oreilly21 wrote:
I understand what Berg is saying but its complete waffle IMO!
I think both Dann and Hanley especially are the root cause of our problems, we need some decent centre backs asap, Givet and someone like Matt Upson who should be available on loan from stoke would do a better job.
Also Palacios or david vaughan from sunderand could do a job for us in midfield, all loans that are available in January, these players are needed straight away in January because if we leave it till the end of the month a play off spot WILL be out of reach!

Long time Rover wrote:
One specific thought that occurs, Is Robbo really a good keeper? Great guy to have around but ? Thought his positioning was very poor again on Friday and some of his save attempts looked like they were gestures almost. Im prepared to accept Im wrong from those who see him more often than I do but if Im right then its a big problem that needs sorting.

George White Bread wrote:

MatthewCA wrote:
As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit,


Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen


) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25.

Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well.

I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes.

My team for blackpool game.

Robbo
Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol


lson
Formica,Murphy,Enthu


,King
Kazim,Rhodes.

Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe


,Dunn,
Pedersen,Rochina,Gom


es.

Work on Corners and free kicks.
Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center.

All the best.

Quality grammar and punctuation, are you the Rovers equivalent of "Proud Burnley Lad"?

20 wins out of 25 games ???? That statement alone should show your doctors that you need your medication upped.

Totally and completely deluded!

Keep making us laugh "Proud Rovers Lad".

fanny_tickler. wrote:
Magnificent effort Agent Berg. Keep them calm and carry on.

George White Bread wrote:

MatthewCA wrote:
As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit,


Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen



) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25.

Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well.

I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes.

My team for blackpool game.

Robbo
Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol


lson
Formica,Murphy,Enthu


,King
Kazim,Rhodes.

Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe


,Dunn,
Pedersen,Rochina,Gom


es.

Work on Corners and free kicks.
Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center.

All the best.

Quality grammar and punctuation, are you the Rovers equivalent of "Proud Burnley Lad"?

20 wins out of 25 games ???? That statement alone should show your doctors that you need your medication upped.

Totally and completely deluded!

Keep making us laugh "Proud Rovers Lad".

George White Bread wrote:
"Don't panic" !!!!! Ha ha straight out of the Dads army approach to management.

I'll give it 3 more games before the banners are up and the marches/protests begin.

MatthewCA wrote:

stephenrover wrote:
Nuno Enrique, Diogo Rosado, where are you??

Can't help but think that Berg has been shafted by the gradual establishment of a WEIRD squad and an appalling set of coaching staff.

Our attacking football *gulp* was good against Cardiff (obviously taking poor finishing out of the equation, which is symptomatic of the wider issues at our club). But our defense and centre mid needs some investment.

Palacios would be ideal, and we should look to bag a good centre half from a lesser championship side.

Also, get Hendry the **** out of here.

Lets try this new two lads Nuno Enrique and Diogo Rosado into the center. Anyway we are getting out the ground.

Add Gomes and Nunes too, at least we can see few goals

PersianRover wrote:

MatthewCA wrote:

stephenrover wrote:
Nuno Enrique, Diogo Rosado, where are you??

Can't help but think that Berg has been shafted by the gradual establishment of a WEIRD squad and an appalling set of coaching staff.

Our attacking football *gulp* was good against Cardiff (obviously taking poor finishing out of the equation, which is symptomatic of the wider issues at our club). But our defense and centre mid needs some investment.

Palacios would be ideal, and we should look to bag a good centre half from a lesser championship side.

Also, get Hendry the **** out of here.

Lets try this new two lads Nuno Enrique and Diogo Rosado into the center. Anyway we are getting out the ground.

Add Gomes and Nunes too, at least we can see few goals

Rosado played really well when I saw him, he is tall as well.

Enrique is also tall, and apparently has pace (something Dann and Hanley are not known for.

Rochina should be in the centre of midfield, I hope he gets a chance there. He is the only player who can open up a team, no pass side to side like Ethehu, Murphy and Lowe. Ethehu should just sit infront of the back 4 and give protection.

stephenrover wrote:
Nuno Enrique, Diogo Rosado, where are you?? Can't help but think that Berg has been shafted by the gradual establishment of a WEIRD squad and an appalling set of coaching staff. Our attacking football *gulp* was good against Cardiff (obviously taking poor finishing out of the equation, which is symptomatic of the wider issues at our club). But our defense and centre mid needs some investment. Palacios would be ideal, and we should look to bag a good centre half from a lesser championship side. Also, get Hendry the **** out of here.

Miss-You-Uncle-Jack wrote:
Absolutely horrendous...and the worst part of it is the amount of comments from all the Kean sympathisers in the footballing world using this to his advantage! Just this morning at work I've had 6 different people tell me "you should have stuck with Kean" .... Not even worth getting into the argument with them of course. Come on Henning you've still got my backing if you turn it around over the Xmas period and go into new year on the up. At the moment we're yet again a laughing stock after the performance in front of sky cameras!

George White Bread wrote:

MatthewCA wrote:
As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit,


Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen


) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25.

Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well.

I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes.

My team for blackpool game.

Robbo
Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol


lson
Formica,Murphy,Enthu


,King
Kazim,Rhodes.

Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe


,Dunn,
Pedersen,Rochina,Gom


es.

Work on Corners and free kicks.
Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center.

All the best.

Quality grammar and punctuation, are you the Rovers equivalent of "Proud Burnley Lad"?

20 wins out of 25 games ???? That statement alone should show your doctors that you need your medication upped.

Totally and completely deluded!

Keep making us laugh "Proud Rovers Lad".

HHHH wrote:

Miss-You-Uncle-Jack wrote:
Absolutely horrendous...and the worst part of it is the amount of comments from all the Kean sympathisers in the footballing world using this to his advantage! Just this morning at work I've had 6 different people tell me "you should have stuck with Kean" .... Not even worth getting into the argument with them of course. Come on Henning you've still got my backing if you turn it around over the Xmas period and go into new year on the up. At the moment we're yet again a laughing stock after the performance in front of sky cameras!

Well said mate. Henning inherited two years of total mismanagement. We were poor at the start of the season and getting lucky with results. Got to give him a few months to bring his own players in and start working with them.

fanny_tickler. wrote:
The natives are getting restless, there's trouble brewing down at Ewood. How many more games until the Berg Out banners start appearing? 1 win in 8 attempts, battered at home 3 in a row, crowds dwindling, in-fighting, moaning, whining. What a shambles your football club has become. The laughing stock of English football.

FCBurnley wrote:
Just enjoying my daily read of all things Wovers. Reminds me of when I was a kid and it was the day The Beano was delivered. It never failed to make me laugh. `Dont Panic ` was the cry. Now where have I heard that before.

M4CCY wrote:

stephenrover wrote:
Nuno Enrique, Diogo Rosado, where are you?? Can't help but think that Berg has been shafted by the gradual establishment of a WEIRD squad and an appalling set of coaching staff. Our attacking football *gulp* was good against Cardiff (obviously taking poor finishing out of the equation, which is symptomatic of the wider issues at our club). But our defense and centre mid needs some investment. Palacios would be ideal, and we should look to bag a good centre half from a lesser championship side. Also, get Hendry the **** out of here.

Berg has got to be given time otherwise we just hit the self destruct button again. The only thing that we can do as fans is back the manager and be patient. I understand how difficult it is at times when you are sat in the stands watching some tripe on a cold,wet winter's day. However, Berg has been given an enourmous task that will genuinely take time and will need support of a quality back room staff. We need to stay behind the manager whilst this happens. I am confident that given time, he will turn things around - Berg is a winner unlike his predecessor. When he gets the fight back in to the team, things will start to improve.

Let's hope for a few changes to the backroom staff and playing personal in the new year. This might breathe a new fight in to the team. If we get ourselves organised and get the team fighting, we still have a chance of a top 6 finish. A hard working, well organised team with a proven goalscorer will get you out of this league.

In my opinion, our defence is strong enough. Granted there are way too many stupid mistakes being made but I do believe that we have the right personel. Hanley has been a sensation this season! I genuinely don't think that our midfield helps out of defence at all. Replace Murphy and Etuhu with 2 hardworking midfielders (one defensive minded player) Pedersen should be a permanent fixutre on the left simply for his work ethic, crosses and quality at deadball situations. Maybe King could be the man to provide the pace on the right and cut inside? I would genuinely rather have Mokoena and Andrews in midfield than these 2, and that's saying something! Etuhu and Murphy should be ashamed of themselves - they don't care about the club, they are simply looking for a final payday.

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !

blueblooded wrote:

George White Bread wrote:

MatthewCA wrote: As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit, Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen ) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25. Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well. I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes. My team for blackpool game. Robbo Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol lson Formica,Murphy,Enthu ,King Kazim,Rhodes. Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe ,Dunn, Pedersen,Rochina,Gom es. Work on Corners and free kicks. Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center. All the best.

Quality grammar and punctuation, are you the Rovers equivalent of "Proud Burnley Lad"? 20 wins out of 25 games ???? That statement alone should show your doctors that you need your medication upped. Totally and completely deluded! Keep making us laugh "Proud Rovers Lad".

so you're now lowering yourself to criticising someone whose first langiage is obviously not English? How low can you go Dingle?

Whittle Wilky wrote:

fanny_tickler. wrote:
The natives are getting restless, there's trouble brewing down at Ewood. How many more games until the Berg Out banners start appearing? 1 win in 8 attempts, battered at home 3 in a row, crowds dwindling, in-fighting, moaning, whining. What a shambles your football club has become. The laughing stock of English football.

There was plenty enough shouting Henning Berg's blue and white army on Friday to make me believe he still has the backing of the crowd.

We may not approve of his appointment and would have preferred an established and proven manager. But he is not Kean, he has not had the opportunity to appoint his own staff or choose his own players. And until he does and is then proved wanting, he will have the support of most Rovers fans. We have been there when things were bad as well as the glory days. We can see light at the end of the tunnel.

carlmc1 wrote:
What JC states above it spot on and as he suggest listen to the podcast and you will see that the very future of the club is in serious doubt.

I understand what blue blooded is saying about supporting the team, but when you consider that the Brothers claim expenses for attending one game at a level more than the whole of the gate receipts, then you realise what a mess we are in. They are cashing in and stitching the fans up, wake up and see!

I cannot for the life of me see how the hell we will go up this year and if we don't, then next year is financial meltdown.

Sad news as that is, this is the reality of the situation. We have been well and truly sold up the river by Venkys and their entourage.

Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:
The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball.
We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down.
Bye Mr Berg.

MatthewCA wrote:

George White Bread wrote:

MatthewCA wrote:
As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit,



Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen




) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25.

Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well.

I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes.

My team for blackpool game.

Robbo
Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol



lson
Formica,Murphy,Enthu



,King
Kazim,Rhodes.

Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe



,Dunn,
Pedersen,Rochina,Gom



es.

Work on Corners and free kicks.
Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center.

All the best.

Quality grammar and punctuation, are you the Rovers equivalent of "Proud Burnley Lad"?

20 wins out of 25 games ???? That statement alone should show your doctors that you need your medication upped.

Totally and completely deluded!

Keep making us laugh "Proud Rovers Lad".

If Man.United can win 20 games in a run, Yes We CAN. Then we will reach in our aim, otherwise you know it.

blueblooded wrote:

George White Bread wrote:

MatthewCA wrote:
As a blackburn fan, I am disappointed to read the cardiff city game news. When our team also got very experianced players(Gomes,Givit,



Dunn,Murphy,Pedersen



) and not supporting the team to defend. Need to cook fast to get atleast win 20 matchs from available 25.

Our game plan got lost when Jason Lowe got into trouble with Bellamy. We lost the control and there set peices are really good and connected well.

I feel this is high time get back Givit and Gomes.

My team for blackpool game.

Robbo
Henley,Dann,Givit,Ol



lson
Formica,Murphy,Enthu



,King
Kazim,Rhodes.

Sub:Kean,Hanley,Lowe



,Dunn,
Pedersen,Rochina,Gom



es.

Work on Corners and free kicks.
Players should enjoy and play the game, Cardiff game shows they lost the control in last 40mts because of not experienced midfeild players at the center.

All the best.

Quality grammar and punctuation, are you the Rovers equivalent of "Proud Burnley Lad"?

20 wins out of 25 games ???? That statement alone should show your doctors that you need your medication upped.

Totally and completely deluded!

Keep making us laugh "Proud Rovers Lad".

so you're now lowering yourself to criticising someone whose first langiage is obviously not English?

How low can you go Dingle?

penrithrover wrote:

Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:
The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball.
We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down.
Bye Mr Berg.

THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more .

I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY.

French Rover wrote:

penrithrover wrote:

Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:
The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball.
We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down.
Bye Mr Berg.

THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more .

I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY.

nutter

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !

penrithrover wrote:

French Rover wrote:

penrithrover wrote:

Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote:
The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball.
We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down.
Bye Mr Berg.

THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more .

I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY.

nutter

FRENCH ROVER / I WARN YOU ,YOU ARE BEING WATCHED ,YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT ROVERS HAVING TO SPEND BIG, ,SPEND,SPEND ,SPEND ,WE KNOW YOU ARE ON THE PAYROLL OF THE EVIL FOOTBALL AGENTS ,STOP TRYING TO GET ROVERS TO SPEND , YOU WRITE COMMENTS ASKING FOR ROVERS TO SPEND ON DEFENDERS /MIDFIELDERS ETC.ETC ETC NO DOUBT ALL OF YOUR BOSSES FOOTBALL CLIENTS YOU ARE RECOMMENDING TO BUY .

juanbbien wrote:

J.C - Rishton wrote: Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate. I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE! If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. - 1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year. 2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m. 3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS. 4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not. 5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !! 6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts. That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ??? 7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx) 8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !! 9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded. This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club. Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE. And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !

Hi JC so you are saying that when the brothers Venkys attend a match it is costing lets say the gate is fifteen thousand times a mimium of ten pounds entrance charge which amounts to one hundred and fifty thousand between two people for a visit from India,and the fans are paying out of their own pockets for it,bloody hell,If promotion is not attained how the hell are they going to pay wages,running costs etc,on gate money which would maybe cover six,ish players if the high earners are still here, even if there not they will want their contacts paying up.I think there are more tears to be shed yet with this mess.

penrithrover wrote:

French Rover wrote:

penrithrover wrote:

Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote: The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball. We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down. Bye Mr Berg.

THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more . I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY.

nutter

FRENCH ROVER / I WARN YOU ,YOU ARE BEING WATCHED ,YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT ROVERS HAVING TO SPEND BIG, ,SPEND,SPEND ,SPEND ,WE KNOW YOU ARE ON THE PAYROLL OF THE EVIL FOOTBALL AGENTS ,STOP TRYING TO GET ROVERS TO SPEND , YOU WRITE COMMENTS ASKING FOR ROVERS TO SPEND ON DEFENDERS /MIDFIELDERS ETC.ETC ETC NO DOUBT ALL OF YOUR BOSSES FOOTBALL CLIENTS YOU ARE RECOMMENDING TO BUY .

StLedge wrote:

penrithrover wrote:

French Rover wrote:

penrithrover wrote:

Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote: The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball. We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down. Bye Mr Berg.

THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more . I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY.

nutter

FRENCH ROVER / I WARN YOU ,YOU ARE BEING WATCHED ,YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT ROVERS HAVING TO SPEND BIG, ,SPEND,SPEND ,SPEND ,WE KNOW YOU ARE ON THE PAYROLL OF THE EVIL FOOTBALL AGENTS ,STOP TRYING TO GET ROVERS TO SPEND , YOU WRITE COMMENTS ASKING FOR ROVERS TO SPEND ON DEFENDERS /MIDFIELDERS ETC.ETC ETC NO DOUBT ALL OF YOUR BOSSES FOOTBALL CLIENTS YOU ARE RECOMMENDING TO BUY .

Idiot!

penrithrover wrote:

StLedge wrote:

penrithrover wrote:

French Rover wrote:

penrithrover wrote:

Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote: The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball. We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down. Bye Mr Berg.

THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more . I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY.

nutter

FRENCH ROVER / I WARN YOU ,YOU ARE BEING WATCHED ,YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT ROVERS HAVING TO SPEND BIG, ,SPEND,SPEND ,SPEND ,WE KNOW YOU ARE ON THE PAYROLL OF THE EVIL FOOTBALL AGENTS ,STOP TRYING TO GET ROVERS TO SPEND , YOU WRITE COMMENTS ASKING FOR ROVERS TO SPEND ON DEFENDERS /MIDFIELDERS ETC.ETC ETC NO DOUBT ALL OF YOUR BOSSES FOOTBALL CLIENTS YOU ARE RECOMMENDING TO BUY .

Idiot!

Let the Rovers supporters decide who the they think the nutter is , is it YOU according to your posts that you write ,you want to trust Berg to buy 4/5 players during the transfer window , or am the nutter someone very concerned about allowing a very inexperienced and failed manager the funds the funds to bring in these 4/5 players ,if we bring in 4/5 players , you say two central defenders and a couple of midfielders ,and one more, your stupidity could spend us out of existence, are we not entitled to be concerned that we end up with expensive dross, my view is let BERG stick with the players that were there when he made all is promises of instant promotion, if he fails at least we will have the funds available for an experienced manager to use, let the Rovers supporters decide who is the NUTTER ?

Sorry you might not get your fat bonus from Anderson if you are not able to manipulate some transfer funds out of Rovers.

French Rover wrote:

penrithrover wrote:

StLedge wrote:

penrithrover wrote:

French Rover wrote:

penrithrover wrote:

Return of the Magnificent se7en wrote: The penny is dropping slower than we are, these " good centre backs " we have took us down at an alarming rate of knotts. Even Givet was involved in our downward spiral. So may I suggest in Jan you get a steady away workhorse centre back thats not used to losing and a midfielder who can hold down the middle of the park instead of watching it drift by him while he points at the ball. We need a couple of grafters to play some of Bazzers Hoof and Hope option, mix it up a bit and start closing down. Bye Mr Berg.

THERE HE GOES AGAIN " return of whatever" , wanting to buy more players in the January window , so his boss the multi millionaire football agent can cream it more . I URGE ALL ROVERS SUPPORTERS TO NOT LET BERG SPEND ANY FUNDS IN JANUARY , HE IS NOT THE MAN TO TAKE US FORWARD ,KEEP THE TRANSFER BUDGET UNTIL WE GET A PROPER EXPERIENCED MANAGER WHICH WE ALL WANTED FROM THE DAY KEAN LEFT :BUT SINGH KNEW BETTER" AND FOR CHRIST SAKE GET THE MOST NEGATIVE INFLUENCE AT THE CLUB OUT RIGHT AWAY , BRAVE **** BONZO THE CLOWN ,KEANS DRINKING /GAMBLING BUDDY THE **** HENDRY.

nutter

FRENCH ROVER / I WARN YOU ,YOU ARE BEING WATCHED ,YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT ROVERS HAVING TO SPEND BIG, ,SPEND,SPEND ,SPEND ,WE KNOW YOU ARE ON THE PAYROLL OF THE EVIL FOOTBALL AGENTS ,STOP TRYING TO GET ROVERS TO SPEND , YOU WRITE COMMENTS ASKING FOR ROVERS TO SPEND ON DEFENDERS /MIDFIELDERS ETC.ETC ETC NO DOUBT ALL OF YOUR BOSSES FOOTBALL CLIENTS YOU ARE RECOMMENDING TO BUY .

Idiot!

Let the Rovers supporters decide who the they think the nutter is , is it YOU according to your posts that you write ,you want to trust Berg to buy 4/5 players during the transfer window , or am the nutter someone very concerned about allowing a very inexperienced and failed manager the funds the funds to bring in these 4/5 players ,if we bring in 4/5 players , you say two central defenders and a couple of midfielders ,and one more, your stupidity could spend us out of existence, are we not entitled to be concerned that we end up with expensive dross, my view is let BERG stick with the players that were there when he made all is promises of instant promotion, if he fails at least we will have the funds available for an experienced manager to use, let the Rovers supporters decide who is the NUTTER ? Sorry you might not get your fat bonus from Anderson if you are not able to manipulate some transfer funds out of Rovers.

You mean Hans Christian Anderson? Or Big BEN Anderson?

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !

blueblooded wrote:

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !

and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand.

Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns.

One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club.

That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of.

blueblooded wrote:

carlmc1 wrote:
What JC states above it spot on and as he suggest listen to the podcast and you will see that the very future of the club is in serious doubt.

I understand what blue blooded is saying about supporting the team, but when you consider that the Brothers claim expenses for attending one game at a level more than the whole of the gate receipts, then you realise what a mess we are in. They are cashing in and stitching the fans up, wake up and see!

I cannot for the life of me see how the hell we will go up this year and if we don't, then next year is financial meltdown.

Sad news as that is, this is the reality of the situation. We have been well and truly sold up the river by Venkys and their entourage.

The problem with the podcast - I did listen to it btw, is it comes across as much as anti-venkys propaganda as it is truth. You want to show something in its true light, you need to be very balanced with how you present it.

Sadly the podcast seemed only keen to highlight the sensatiional bits like the aforementioned trips and gate reciepts.

I;m sure I am not alone, but I do not want Venkys to leave. I want them to wake up and smell the inevitable. We are six points away from the play-off places, three weeks away from January and all is not lost yet - no matter what the doom mongers and dingles may have you believe.

But we need change now - and FAST.

juanbbien wrote:

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !

Hi JC so you are saying that when the brothers Venkys attend a match it is costing lets say the gate is fifteen thousand times a mimium of ten pounds entrance charge which amounts to one hundred and fifty thousand between two people for a visit from India,and the fans are paying out of their own pockets for it,bloody hell,If promotion is not attained how the hell are they going to pay wages,running costs etc,on gate money which would maybe cover six,ish players if the high earners are still here, even if there not they will want their contacts paying up.I think there are more tears to be shed yet with this mess.

blueblooded wrote:
Anyone who knows PhilipL on that podcast knows whats going on there.. absolute doom gloom and relegation talk at all times designed to get everyone panicking.

I love the fact that certain elements on here accuse people like myself for being part of the establishment, when they themselves are clearly wanting to be the establishment with their very crystal clear not so hidden agenda of fan ownership.

These people need to learn a bit of impartiality and gain some journalistic credibility (is there such a thing you wonder?) before being entertained on such podcasts for respected sites like brfcs.

Hope Kamy reads this - PhilipL is a joke. His knowledge on the accounts may be admirable, his impartiality certainly isnt.

juanbbien wrote:
According to the daily mail Adkins Southampton manager is considering a January move for Dann around the six million mark,their is a God after all.

J.C - Rishton wrote:

juanbbien wrote:

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !

Hi JC so you are saying that when the brothers Venkys attend a match it is costing lets say the gate is fifteen thousand times a mimium of ten pounds entrance charge which amounts to one hundred and fifty thousand between two people for a visit from India,and the fans are paying out of their own pockets for it,bloody hell,If promotion is not attained how the hell are they going to pay wages,running costs etc,on gate money which would maybe cover six,ish players if the high earners are still here, even if there not they will want their contacts paying up.I think there are more tears to be shed yet with this mess.

Hi Juanbbien

No it is NOT me that says when the brothers attend they spend more on the trip (billed to the club) than we take in gate receipts for that game - it is shown in the ACCOUNTS.

This is just 1 example of the madness of situations shown in the accounts - listen to the podcast (#50) buy the accounts - if you can read a balance sheet then take a close look for yourself.

Captain Dreckley wrote:

juanbbien wrote:
According to the daily mail Adkins Southampton manager is considering a January move for Dann around the six million mark,their is a God after all.

Do they want us to pay 6 mill for them to take him???? I cannot decide who was the biggest waste of money at Rovers, Dann or Kevin Davies. Opinions gentlemen

Rovers75 wrote:

blueblooded wrote:

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !

and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand.

Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns.

One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club.

That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of.

agree 100%

The clubs had it's heart and soul ripped out. We need to boost our support, not abandon ship!

juanbbien wrote:

Captain Dreckley wrote:

juanbbien wrote: According to the daily mail Adkins Southampton manager is considering a January move for Dann around the six million mark,their is a God after all.

Do they want us to pay 6 mill for them to take him???? I cannot decide who was the biggest waste of money at Rovers, Dann or Kevin Davies. Opinions gentlemen

Add Grabbi to the list

J.C - Rishton wrote:

Rovers75 wrote:

blueblooded wrote:

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !

and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand.

Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns.

One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club.

That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of.

agree 100%

The clubs had it's heart and soul ripped out. We need to boost our support, not abandon ship!

Whilst I agree that we need to get fans back - I seriously doubt that you both grasp the RATE of losses that BRFC are currently incurring - you might be looking as much as £40m this year losses in- last year was £18 or £19m (clearly shown in the accounts to 30-06-12 - FACT).

Clearly this is more than "getting a few more fans down Ewood" - this is serious telephone size numbers.

I can't believe blueblooded or anyone else just thinks this is "doomsayers negativity" or "anti-Venky rhetoric" - anyone who can read a balance sheet - look at it - it is clearly shown - does anyone here think we are doing okay, financially ??

If you can't (or can't be bothered) to read the accounts then just think logically -

In the year upto 30-06-12 we lost (apart from player sales) £18m.

Since then we have had reduced revenue streams in EVERY revenue area (TV money, prize money, ticket sales, corporate sales, comercial sales) yet we have now massively increased our wages bill this summer - DM, JR, NG all rumoured to be on around £40,000 per week (£6m a year) with DE on around £20,000 per week.

Common sense should tell anyone who stops to think about it for 1 min that this is COMPLETE AND UTTER MADNESS and is COMPLETELY UNSUSTAINABLE.

What should also be of concern is that our owners (so far) seem to be taking NO ACTIONS to reduce these losses - infact the opposite is happening - they are giving massive contracts to old players on long(ish) contracts - MADNESS and is the road to ruin.

blueblooded wrote:

J.C - Rishton wrote:

Rovers75 wrote:

blueblooded wrote:

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !

and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand.

Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns.

One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club.

That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of.

agree 100%

The clubs had it's heart and soul ripped out. We need to boost our support, not abandon ship!

Whilst I agree that we need to get fans back - I seriously doubt that you both grasp the RATE of losses that BRFC are currently incurring - you might be looking as much as £40m this year losses in- last year was £18 or £19m (clearly shown in the accounts to 30-06-12 - FACT).


Clearly this is more than "getting a few more fans down Ewood" - this is serious telephone size numbers.

I can't believe blueblooded or anyone else just thinks this is "doomsayers negativity" or "anti-Venky rhetoric" - anyone who can read a balance sheet - look at it - it is clearly shown - does anyone here think we are doing okay, financially ??

If you can't (or can't be bothered) to read the accounts then just think logically -

In the year upto 30-06-12 we lost (apart from player sales) £18m.

Since then we have had reduced revenue streams in EVERY revenue area (TV money, prize money, ticket sales, corporate sales, comercial sales) yet we have now massively increased our wages bill this summer - DM, JR, NG all rumoured to be on around £40,000 per week (£6m a year) with DE on around £20,000 per week.

Common sense should tell anyone who stops to think about it for 1 min that this is COMPLETE AND UTTER MADNESS and is COMPLETELY UNSUSTAINABLE.

What should also be of concern is that our owners (so far) seem to be taking NO ACTIONS to reduce these losses - infact the opposite is happening - they are giving massive contracts to old players on long(ish) contracts - MADNESS and is the road to ruin.

Nobody doubts the gravity of the situation JC.

The writing was on the wall way before the accounts were published. My point simply is we, the fans need to get behind the team not call for further boycotts unlike some deluded fans with wishful dreams of owning a piece of the club or any other personal objections like foreign ownership.

The point you made that was stated in the podcast about the cost of Venky's trips to Ewood may allude that we are only lining Venky's pockets by attending as smelly and his bunch of tinfoil misfits have been whining about, whereas, it should be clear to all that the team if not the club needs us more now than ever before - we are the 12th man and you and I both know the difference we can make.

If our club is to implode, not attending the matches is certainly not going to save it. It may not be easy watching what is happening to the club, it at times feels like helplessly watching a loved one wasting away from a terminal illness. But just as you would never think to turn your back on them when they need you the most, how can we turn our back on what for most us has been as big a part of our lives, on the pretext that being supportive to them is too painful to watch?

We say we are "Rovers Till I Die". Those are not mere words to us. I have yet to hear a coherent argument as to what can be achieved by staying away. I have stated mine many times for attending.

Road Runner Road Runner wrote:
There is no panic from this side Mr Berg only a recognition that all stops have to be pulled out, and that you find the players who can fill this void that is so apparent.

Have you got it in you to turn this sorry mess around ? I believe you have.

Arte et labore

blueblooded wrote:

J.C - Rishton wrote: Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate. I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE! If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. - 1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year. 2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m. 3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS. 4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not. 5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !! 6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts. That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ??? 7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx) 8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !! 9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded. This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club. Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE. And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !

and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand. Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns. One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club. That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of.

J.C - Rishton wrote:

Rovers75 wrote:

blueblooded wrote:

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !

and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand.

Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns.

One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club.

That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of.

agree 100%

The clubs had it's heart and soul ripped out. We need to boost our support, not abandon ship!

Whilst I agree that we need to get fans back - I seriously doubt that you both grasp the RATE of losses that BRFC are currently incurring - you might be looking as much as £40m this year losses in- last year was £18 or £19m (clearly shown in the accounts to 30-06-12 - FACT).

Clearly this is more than "getting a few more fans down Ewood" - this is serious telephone size numbers.

I can't believe blueblooded or anyone else just thinks this is "doomsayers negativity" or "anti-Venky rhetoric" - anyone who can read a balance sheet - look at it - it is clearly shown - does anyone here think we are doing okay, financially ??

If you can't (or can't be bothered) to read the accounts then just think logically -

In the year upto 30-06-12 we lost (apart from player sales) £18m.

Since then we have had reduced revenue streams in EVERY revenue area (TV money, prize money, ticket sales, corporate sales, comercial sales) yet we have now massively increased our wages bill this summer - DM, JR, NG all rumoured to be on around £40,000 per week (£6m a year) with DE on around £20,000 per week.

Common sense should tell anyone who stops to think about it for 1 min that this is COMPLETE AND UTTER MADNESS and is COMPLETELY UNSUSTAINABLE.

What should also be of concern is that our owners (so far) seem to be taking NO ACTIONS to reduce these losses - infact the opposite is happening - they are giving massive contracts to old players on long(ish) contracts - MADNESS and is the road to ruin.

blueblooded wrote:

J.C - Rishton wrote:

Rovers75 wrote:

blueblooded wrote:

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !

and yet for all those ponts yoiu've made J.C, there are people here who are telling ATTENDING fans to stay away ..as if THATS ever going to force Vekys hand.

Gates need to go UP not DOWN. The very survival of this club depends once again on the fans to support the team, to be VOCAL at Venkys at what needs to change. I've written to Venkys countless times, emails, social media and even a letter to India. I've spoken personally to people at Rovers to get my voice heard and even called on LET and Radio Lancashire to voice our concerns.

One thing I will NEVER EVER do is desert my club as many have done expecting someone else to pick up the pieces. I am one of the BRSIT naysayers, but only in part. I think the Trust being there to at least try to salvage the club from the unthinkable is good. What 'I dont subscribe to is the willingness of a section of very vocal fans who would rather boycott and let the club sink into administration so they can live their dream of a fan owned club.

That is extreme madness, much more so than even expecting Venkys to finance any shortfall.We need the fans back, both for morale and financial reasons. End of.

agree 100%

The clubs had it's heart and soul ripped out. We need to boost our support, not abandon ship!

Whilst I agree that we need to get fans back - I seriously doubt that you both grasp the RATE of losses that BRFC are currently incurring - you might be looking as much as £40m this year losses in- last year was £18 or £19m (clearly shown in the accounts to 30-06-12 - FACT).

Clearly this is more than "getting a few more fans down Ewood" - this is serious telephone size numbers.

I can't believe blueblooded or anyone else just thinks this is "doomsayers negativity" or "anti-Venky rhetoric" - anyone who can read a balance sheet - look at it - it is clearly shown - does anyone here think we are doing okay, financially ??

If you can't (or can't be bothered) to read the accounts then just think logically -

In the year upto 30-06-12 we lost (apart from player sales) £18m.

Since then we have had reduced revenue streams in EVERY revenue area (TV money, prize money, ticket sales, corporate sales, comercial sales) yet we have now massively increased our wages bill this summer - DM, JR, NG all rumoured to be on around £40,000 per week (£6m a year) with DE on around £20,000 per week.

Common sense should tell anyone who stops to think about it for 1 min that this is COMPLETE AND UTTER MADNESS and is COMPLETELY UNSUSTAINABLE.

What should also be of concern is that our owners (so far) seem to be taking NO ACTIONS to reduce these losses - infact the opposite is happening - they are giving massive contracts to old players on long(ish) contracts - MADNESS and is the road to ruin.

Nobody doubts the gravity of the situation JC.

The writing was on the wall way before the accounts were published. My point simply is we, the fans need to get behind the team not call for further boycotts unlike some deluded fans with wishful dreams of owning a piece of the club or any other personal objections like foreign ownership.

The point you made that was stated in the podcast about the cost of Venky's trips to Ewood may allude that we are only lining Venky's pockets by attending as smelly and his bunch of tinfoil misfits have been whining about, whereas, it should be clear to all that the team if not the club needs us more now than ever before - we are the 12th man and you and I both know the difference we can make.

If our club is to implode, not attending the matches is certainly not going to save it. It may not be easy watching what is happening to the club, it at times feels like helplessly watching a loved one wasting away from a terminal illness. But just as you would never think to turn your back on them when they need you the most, how can we turn our back on what for most us has been as big a part of our lives, on the pretext that being supportive to them is too painful to watch?

We say we are "Rovers Till I Die". Those are not mere words to us. I have yet to hear a coherent argument as to what can be achieved by staying away. I have stated mine many times for attending.

Tatts wrote:
If the talk is true that Southampton want to buy Dann then get him shipped off asap.

BlueSkies wrote:
JC, excellent posts today pointing out the poor financial climate facing the club ( several of us were discussing the scenario this weekend). It is indeed a recipe for disaster but we still support the club. We are not in a position to change things but ultimately change will happen and the fans will be left to pick up the pieces.

I genuinely think Venkys care nothing for BRFC and will walk away at some point in the not too distant future.

We have a massively unsustainable wage bill. The summer signings of Murphy, Gomes etc and the entire no-marks of Portuguese football are now contracted to BRFC and are unlikely to want to leave any time soon. Their signings were not sound football decisions which suggests the hands of agents still influence the running of the club as recently as this summer.

I doubt funds will be made available in January unless we can shift some of the no-marks we've just signed!!!! In fact I would say this is one of the poorest set of players in the history of the club. With the exception of Rhodes, is there another who would guarantee a start in any of the top 6 in the Championship? And as for the Prem, forget it.

Henning has mission impossible. Promotion with this current crop is not going to happen. Remember, this is Kean's squad.

juanbbien wrote:

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Yes, and we need that money - not just cos Dann is cr@p but because we are losing money at an alarming (unsustainable) rate.

I know some of you commented on the accounts last week and some of you thought they "wern't as bad as expected" - THEY WERE A NIGHTMARE!

If you look at the deeper accounts, not just what was brought up in the LT (the BRFCS #50 podcast is a MUST listen too for all you keyboard (Rovers) warriors as it goes through the accounts at length. -

1 - We are (approx) £20m in debt - not now debt free, as Venkys said, only earlier this year.
2 -we made a small profit after selling (approx) £23m of players (assets) - so in reality we LOST (in real terms) approx £18m.
3 - Player wages to turnover (at July 1st 2012) is 92.2% and, today is around 120% of turnover - complete and UTTER MADNESS.
4 - The auditors could not verify a £3.4m "hole" in our accounts (and stated as such). BRFCS beleive it could be for the purchase of Nevilles house but then (under UK law) it should be shown under the "assets" section of the accounts - it is not.
5 - Every time the Venky brothers come to watch the team play it costs the club (in costs incurred by them) MORE than the club takes in its entire gate receipts for that match - YES, YOU READ IT RIGHT - complete LUNACY !!
6 - If we fail to go up Venky themselves state in the accounts that we do not have enough revenue streams going forwards to sustain the club - its written in black and white in those accounts.

That said, Venkys have drafted a letter from Venkys (India) which state they can cover those costs - however, I have been informed that these type of letter are normal with parent companies and are often lodged at companies house with subsiduary accounts but that this letter is meaninless and totally UNINFORCEABLE (is anyone so niave to believe Mrs D is going to write a cheque to Rovers out of her own money for £40m or £50m ???
7- Income generated by the commercial department has dropped from £12m in the last year of the trusts ownership to an estimated revenue this year of just £1.2m (approx)
8 - If (when) we fail to go up by summer 2013 our debt is estimated to rise to around £60m - yes £60m !!
9 - The depts to summer 2014 will continue to rise at an alarming rate as players like DM, DE, NG will not be able to be off-loaded.

This is obviously UNSUSTAINABLE and Venkys HAVE to start reducing costs ASAP - starting in January when people like Dann, Dunn, MGP, etc etc HAVE to be sold/released to try to ensure the long term survival of the club.

Doing nothing apart from hoping for a promotion is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

And for all those people slagging off BRSIT - think on - if we carry on losing money at this rate then that £3m in pledges maybe the ONLY thing keeping us between the administrator and a winding up order !

Hi JC so you are saying that when the brothers Venkys attend a match it is costing lets say the gate is fifteen thousand times a mimium of ten pounds entrance charge which amounts to one hundred and fifty thousand between two people for a visit from India,and the fans are paying out of their own pockets for it,bloody hell,If promotion is not attained how the hell are they going to pay wages,running costs etc,on gate money which would maybe cover six,ish players if the high earners are still here, even if there not they will want their contacts paying up.I think there are more tears to be shed yet with this mess.

Nurseman wrote:
Do not agree with our defence being our main problem. The midfield is like a vacuum, sucking in every attack by the opposition and leading it right to our defensive line. Jones, samba and nelson would I'm sure find it very difficult to defend.
I reckon we need in ths order: a manager, and a new midfield.
It seems poor tactics and training more than anything

Will P wrote:
To be fair to be Berg, Kean never ever said a team were better than his team all over the pitch, he used to say how we played well for 3 minutes against a good team. The players who are showing the most desire and willingness seem to be the younger boys. I think King has been a really good asset so far, he fought for everything and was never afraid to take on a man or 2.

Robinson is going in Jan so I do hope that Friedel does sign for us, he is still fantastic at 41. Another rumour starting is that we want to sign Wilson Palacios? I mean that would be a phenomenal signing but not quite sure that one will happen. If it does it'll be another loan. None the less, our midfield would already go up a few notches with him in there.

If Southampton offer £6m for Dann, then take it and run, some good Spanish/Italian defenders are out there at a good price and much lower wages than English players. Technically better too. There are better defenders than Dann and Hanley out there, sorry.

Rover the Hill wrote:

Will P wrote:
To be fair to be Berg, Kean never ever said a team were better than his team all over the pitch, he used to say how we played well for 3 minutes against a good team. The players who are showing the most desire and willingness seem to be the younger boys. I think King has been a really good asset so far, he fought for everything and was never afraid to take on a man or 2.

Robinson is going in Jan so I do hope that Friedel does sign for us, he is still fantastic at 41. Another rumour starting is that we want to sign Wilson Palacios? I mean that would be a phenomenal signing but not quite sure that one will happen. If it does it'll be another loan. None the less, our midfield would already go up a few notches with him in there.

If Southampton offer £6m for Dann, then take it and run, some good Spanish/Italian defenders are out there at a good price and much lower wages than English players. Technically better too. There are better defenders than Dann and Hanley out there, sorry.

Better defenders out there than Dann and Hanley. I am a better defender than Dann and I am 43. There are 8 or 9 of that team that just aren't good enough. There is no creativity in midfield, I mean, who was going to pick out the pass on Friday night? Etuhu or Lowe? Neither could pick their fcuking nose. Add no pace into the equation and a lack of width and you start to understand why we are staring at a relegation dogfight instead of a promotion push.

I have lost all interest in it to be honest, but it still hurts. What has happened to Vuckevic? He looked a decent wide player. CKR up front with Rhodes, King and Vuckevic wide at least gives you a bit of skill and pace.

Don't blame Berg, he has inherited a sh1t squad thanks to Kean and JA. I have had a few people mention we should have kept Kean. I would rather be in the conference than have that idiot still here. It may take time and a whole lot of player movement in and out, but surely Berg has enough nous to sort out the sorry mess.

clitheroe blue boy wrote:
'We are not a million miles away from our premier dream? Has Berg been watching a different team?

We have been very poor, 1 win in 8 tells the story.

Think he's inherited Steve Keans book of stupid quotes.

Get Mark Hughes in quick before we slide further down the table.

And while your at it, get rid of Shabby Minge and the robbing joke of a defensive coach in Colin Hendry.

Rover the Hill wrote:

Will P wrote:
To be fair to be Berg, Kean never ever said a team were better than his team all over the pitch, he used to say how we played well for 3 minutes against a good team. The players who are showing the most desire and willingness seem to be the younger boys. I think King has been a really good asset so far, he fought for everything and was never afraid to take on a man or 2.

Robinson is going in Jan so I do hope that Friedel does sign for us, he is still fantastic at 41. Another rumour starting is that we want to sign Wilson Palacios? I mean that would be a phenomenal signing but not quite sure that one will happen. If it does it'll be another loan. None the less, our midfield would already go up a few notches with him in there.

If Southampton offer £6m for Dann, then take it and run, some good Spanish/Italian defenders are out there at a good price and much lower wages than English players. Technically better too. There are better defenders than Dann and Hanley out there, sorry.

Better defenders out there than Dann and Hanley. I am a better defender than Dann and I am 43. There are 8 or 9 of that team that just aren't good enough. There is no creativity in midfield, I mean, who was going to pick out the pass on Friday night? Etuhu or Lowe? Neither could pick their fcuking nose. Add no pace into the equation and a lack of width and you start to understand why we are staring at a relegation dogfight instead of a promotion push.

I have lost all interest in it to be honest, but it still hurts. What has happened to Vuckevic? He looked a decent wide player. CKR up front with Rhodes, King and Vuckevic wide at least gives you a bit of skill and pace.

Don't blame Berg, he has inherited a sh1t squad thanks to Kean and JA. I have had a few people mention we should have kept Kean. I would rather be in the conference than have that idiot still here. It may take time and a whole lot of player movement in and out, but surely Berg has enough nous to sort out the sorry mess.

Harwoodstblue wrote:

Rover the Hill wrote:

Will P wrote: To be fair to be Berg, Kean never ever said a team were better than his team all over the pitch, he used to say how we played well for 3 minutes against a good team. The players who are showing the most desire and willingness seem to be the younger boys. I think King has been a really good asset so far, he fought for everything and was never afraid to take on a man or 2. Robinson is going in Jan so I do hope that Friedel does sign for us, he is still fantastic at 41. Another rumour starting is that we want to sign Wilson Palacios? I mean that would be a phenomenal signing but not quite sure that one will happen. If it does it'll be another loan. None the less, our midfield would already go up a few notches with him in there. If Southampton offer £6m for Dann, then take it and run, some good Spanish/Italian defenders are out there at a good price and much lower wages than English players. Technically better too. There are better defenders than Dann and Hanley out there, sorry.

Better defenders out there than Dann and Hanley. I am a better defender than Dann and I am 43. There are 8 or 9 of that team that just aren't good enough. There is no creativity in midfield, I mean, who was going to pick out the pass on Friday night? Etuhu or Lowe? Neither could pick their fcuking nose. Add no pace into the equation and a lack of width and you start to understand why we are staring at a relegation dogfight instead of a promotion push. I have lost all interest in it to be honest, but it still hurts. What has happened to Vuckevic? He looked a decent wide player. CKR up front with Rhodes, King and Vuckevic wide at least gives you a bit of skill and pace. Don't blame Berg, he has inherited a sh1t squad thanks to Kean and JA. I have had a few people mention we should have kept Kean. I would rather be in the conference than have that idiot still here. It may take time and a whole lot of player movement in and out, but surely Berg has enough nous to sort out the sorry mess.

In my opinion Berg has no say. It's Singh making the decisions hence the strange team selections...No Givet, no Vukevic......IMO

George White Bread wrote:

MatthewCA wrote: Kazim and King are the only hungry players in the team - Both are in loan. Blackburn Players are taken easy and sleepy in Blackburn. Owners also feed with new HENs. Confused Club.

BOTH ARE IN LOAN ? Proud Rovers Lad what the F are you going on about ??? Have you had or are you having a stroke ?

MatthewCA wrote:

George White Bread wrote:

MatthewCA wrote: Kazim and King are the only hungry players in the team - Both are in loan. Blackburn Players are taken easy and sleepy in Blackburn. Owners also feed with new HENs. Confused Club.

BOTH ARE IN LOAN ? Proud Rovers Lad what the F are you going on about ??? Have you had or are you having a stroke ?

IF they play like last game, STROKE will happen.